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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-8-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: Speaking of awesome Utah Mammoth games, headed up to the
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Speaker 3: press conference yesterday at rice eCos Stadium. You know what's
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Speaker 3: fun to see Ryan Smith in a Utah backdrop.
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Speaker 4: It's fun to see that.
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Speaker 3: I know that his reputation in town is like some
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Speaker 3: what complicated for people.
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Speaker 4: For me, it's not.
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Speaker 3: He's a guy who's been incredibly successful and he is
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Speaker 3: now deploying that success. However, he sees fit which is
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Speaker 3: part of the American dream ladies and gentlemen. But he
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Speaker 3: even said in the post press conference scrum because he
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Speaker 3: was asked about, well, did you ever think about bringing
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Speaker 3: the Winter Classic, which is coming to rice Eco Stadium
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Speaker 3: next year, the third year of the Utah Hockey Club
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Speaker 3: Slash Mammoth's existence. They're already getting the Winter Classic, a
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Speaker 3: game against Colorado. It's gonna be incredible, fifty one thousand
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Speaker 3: plus fans for outdoor hockey. If it was on a
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Speaker 3: day like today, it'd be absolutely perfect. A little bit
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Speaker 3: of bluster, a little bit of cold, a little bit
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Speaker 3: of overcast. Logan Cooley said he wants the ice to
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Speaker 3: be choppy and gross.
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Speaker 4: He wants it to be bad.
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Speaker 3: These guys, these NHL guys love playing pond hockey and
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Speaker 3: they want it to be as close to that as possible.
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Speaker 3: When you're playing in the Winter Classic, we're gonna get
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Speaker 3: the special uniforms, all right, and it's an incredible event.
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Speaker 3: Gary Bettman was in town for the press conference and
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Speaker 3: Ryan Smith was asked, hey, did you ever consider bringing
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Speaker 3: this down to Provo, And he said, look, I do
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Speaker 3: enough down there. This is my nil donation for the
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Speaker 3: University of Utah.
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Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 4: Hey, hey, so Utah fans.
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Speaker 6: He's like, you can just you can just stop with
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Speaker 6: I don't donate. I only donate to b YU, Okay, geez.
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Speaker 3: It's a it's self awareness from him being like, I
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Speaker 3: know everyone talks about how much I give to BYU.
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Speaker 4: This is my gift to you.
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Speaker 3: Up here, and that's fine. So that'll be awesome. That'll
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Speaker 3: be fun.
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Speaker 6: By the way, that that press conference that you so
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Speaker 6: you so incredibly you did such a good job of
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Speaker 6: recording on your phone up there while you're up there,
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Speaker 6: is up on the website. So if you want to
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Speaker 6: hear Gary Bettman's thoughts. You want to hear Ryan and
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Speaker 6: Ashley Smith, Logan Cooley from the press conference. If you
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Speaker 6: missed that, you can on ESPN seven hundred sports dot com.
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Speaker 6: By the way, slight grievance with Jackie from TNT. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: she was talking through the appause every time. Maybe she's
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Speaker 6: uncomfortable with silence, and maybe it's just like just they're clapping,
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Speaker 6: you pause for a pack of beat.
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Speaker 4: She just kept talking.
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Speaker 6: It's like no one can hear you because you're because
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Speaker 6: there's we're clapping for what you just said.
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Speaker 4: Whatever. Anyway, it's fine.
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Speaker 3: So look, the Winter Classic coming to Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 3: This is really really cool. We are We've had an
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Speaker 3: NBA All Star Weekend twice. You're getting the NHL Winter Classic,
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Speaker 3: You're getting another Olympics. We're going to get a Major
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Speaker 3: League Baseball team, probably before we have the Winter Olympics
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Speaker 3: for the second time. We're becoming a big boys sports town.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll ever get an NFL franchise.
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Speaker 3: I will always keep my fingers crossed it in sometime
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Speaker 3: in my lifetime that happens. But Salt Lake City is
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Speaker 3: becoming a recognized real bona fide valued sports town, and
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Speaker 3: the Winter Classic is going to be one of those
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Speaker 3: really really great events, and it's happening so quickly.
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Speaker 4: It's happening now.
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Speaker 3: Say what you want about what Ryan Smith has meant
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Speaker 3: for the Utah Jazz as an owner. The reputation that
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Speaker 3: the Utah Mammoth have in the NHL is like above
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Speaker 3: reproach right now. It's incredible. The players love their experience.
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Speaker 3: I could tell you the fan experience is absolutely phenomenal.
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Speaker 3: I attend plenty of those games on my press credential,
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Speaker 3: but also on just tickets. We were at the game
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Speaker 3: last night, three to one victory over Ottawa. A couple
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Speaker 3: of goals early for the Utah Mammoth and they held on.
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Speaker 3: After Ottawa scored one, they got another three one. By
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Speaker 3: the way, Adrian Denny told us that he anticipates a
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Speaker 3: a dominant stretch at some point for Danil Boot. He said,
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Speaker 3: we'll get five goals in five games.
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Speaker 4: At some point. He scored another one.
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Speaker 3: So maybe maybe Adrian Denny knows something that we don't know.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe you should tune in to between the pipes,
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Speaker 6: because he's always given us those kind of tidbits that's amazing.
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Speaker 3: We got a really fun show lined up for you today,
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Speaker 3: Gordy Chiasa in studio for a full hour. We'll talk
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Speaker 3: all things NBA, all things basketball. We'll get his thoughts
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Speaker 3: on the other big stories in the world of sports.
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Speaker 4: Eric Weddle's gonna join us at one o'clock.
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Speaker 3: You know he's gonna have thoughts about what's going on
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Speaker 3: at the University of Utah Shahanji Raja at one thirty
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Speaker 3: to preview tonight's college football playoff semi final.
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Speaker 4: Huge game.
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Speaker 3: Very much looking forward to that game in an odd
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Speaker 3: context situation right where you've got one of these teams playing,
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Speaker 3: as I mentioned several times this week, seemingly handicapped on
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Speaker 3: their coaching staff for the biggest game of the year.
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Speaker 5: It is.
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Speaker 3: The one thing that's good about it, if I want
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Speaker 3: to say, is that it's it's Ole Miss, who we
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Speaker 3: don't really care.
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Speaker 4: That much about that.
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Speaker 3: The bad thing about it is that it's making me
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Speaker 3: want to root for old Miss instead of maintaining my
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Speaker 3: firmly like anti sec evil empire stance.
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Speaker 4: They feel like they feel like an underdog.
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Speaker 6: Well, they feel like the they've always to me felt
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Speaker 6: like the likable team from the SEC, though, right because
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Speaker 6: they're the team that hasn't really ever won anything. I
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Speaker 6: think Mississippi State shout out to the state of Mississippi.
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Speaker 6: The Mississippi Stated has kind of feels that way too,
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Speaker 6: or neither of those teams. They're like one of the
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Speaker 6: only two programs in the SEC that have never really
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Speaker 6: won anything national championship. Ole Miss, I think one has
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Speaker 6: won a SEC titles, but like it's been a long time,
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Speaker 6: so it feels okay to root for them, even though
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Speaker 6: even if you're anti SEC.
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Speaker 3: You know what I've appreciated about Old Miss, even for
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Speaker 3: a very long time, is like you go back to
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Speaker 3: the Saban days of Alabama. Old Miss was the team
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Speaker 3: that did I think the best job of not being
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Speaker 3: intimidated by those Saban Alabama teams.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's like talk about the Egg Bowl all you want.
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Speaker 6: I feel like the real foot Like that's shahanj Raj
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Speaker 6: just shout out to Shahan, who's gonna be on at
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Speaker 6: one thirty.
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Speaker 4: I think I told you this before. I like to
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Speaker 4: go back to this.
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Speaker 6: When he talks about rivalries, there's human rivalries, and there's
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Speaker 6: football rivalries or sport rivalries and the human rivalry is
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Speaker 6: the Egg Bowl in Mississippi, but at least for the
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Speaker 6: Old Miss side of things, the football rivalry is Alabama.
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Speaker 4: Is what it's is what it's felt like.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of like how everyone all the teams hated USC.
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Speaker 3: Yeah in the Pac twelve, right, USC's rival is Notre
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Speaker 3: Dame and yeah, and every fan base including Oregon, including Utah,
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Speaker 3: Arizona State, every one of those guys just like you
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Speaker 3: know what, I actually hate USC. So anyway, we're approaching
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Speaker 3: the college football finish and the good thing, the silver
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Speaker 3: lining to be found with this playoff game tonight, where
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Speaker 3: you're gonna see one team with their hand tied behind
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Speaker 3: their back trying to survive. It highlights how difficult this
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Speaker 3: sports calendar is in the college football world. In a
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Speaker 3: way that because it is an SEC team, I think
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Speaker 3: that the powers that be are going to have to
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Speaker 3: pay a.
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Speaker 4: Little bit closer attention to it.
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Speaker 3: They're going to watch this and if there's any indication, now, look,
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Speaker 3: the better sports story would be Old Miss overcomes the
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Speaker 3: handicap and wins and finds themselves international championship, despite the
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Speaker 3: fact that their head coach bailed, despite the fact that
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Speaker 3: assistant coaches have been forced to bail despite the fact
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Speaker 3: that they're running on that like gas fumes type of situation.
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Speaker 3: From a leadership standpoint, that would be the better sports story.
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Speaker 4: That's the one you make into the Disney movie.
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Speaker 3: But if it's noticeable, like oh man, this team just
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Speaker 3: doesn't look as sharp as prepared.
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Speaker 4: Like the game plan was quite as good.
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Speaker 3: Whatever, it's gonna force people, decision makers to realize, you
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Speaker 3: know what, we can't. We can't be in a situation
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Speaker 3: where you have this great season for a team, you
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Speaker 3: have this great product of football being fielded all year
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Speaker 3: long by a particular group of young men and their coaches,
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Speaker 3: only to have when the rubber meets the road, the
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Speaker 3: most important part of the season, have that group be
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Speaker 3: stripped apart, be decimated. And by the way, the same
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Speaker 3: thing is true of the you know, even like Oregon
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Speaker 3: to a lesser extent, with guys going into the transfer portal,
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Speaker 3: Dan Lanning is he's gonna let one of his transfer
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Speaker 3: portal running backs play because they're thin at running back
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Speaker 3: and he's already put his name in the transfer portal.
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Speaker 3: Two of them have one is injured, and he's saying, yeah,
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Speaker 3: he's going to be available for the game.
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Speaker 4: Does Dan Lanny want to do that? Will probably not.
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Speaker 3: Does he understand that that's going to be a necessity
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Speaker 3: for his team to equip them as close to possible,
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Speaker 3: as close to ideal as possible. Yeah, I mean so,
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Speaker 3: I think these things are going to make just like
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Speaker 3: last year, Boise and Arizona State getting the first round
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Speaker 3: by made everyone be like, oh, we thought we had
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Speaker 3: this structure right, but in practice, look what it has become.
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Speaker 3: And this year two group of five teams in and
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Speaker 3: getting blown out. We thought we had it right, but
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Speaker 3: in practice, look what it has become. I think we're
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Speaker 3: going to get an adjustment on that, maybe even further expansion,
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Speaker 3: certainly in alteration of the rules as to who gets
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Speaker 3: in automatically. And I think the calendar will be a
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Speaker 3: point of emphasis, if not an immediate change, an eventual
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Speaker 3: change because of situations like this where even an SEC team,
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Speaker 3: the last SEC team that could win them a national
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Speaker 3: championship and bring them back to where they think they
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Speaker 3: belong on the college football landscape is handicapped, and the
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Speaker 3: rest of the SEC, which is still as powerful as
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Speaker 3: the Big Ten, is gonna say, well, I mean, let's
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Speaker 3: let's fix this so that the SEC could have a
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Speaker 3: national championship, because it's been what four seasons since they've
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Speaker 3: had one?
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Speaker 4: Was it out? When was the last one? Oh?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Georgia twenty two, So three seasons, three seasons, yeah,
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Speaker 6: because it's been it was Georgia back to back. Then
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Speaker 6: it was it was Michigan and Ohio State. So and
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Speaker 6: I think I think we're gonna get I think we're
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Speaker 6: gonna get a third straight Big ten team that's a
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Speaker 6: national champion because I think the winner, say yesterday, I
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Speaker 6: think the winner of Indiana, Oregon, both Big ten teams,
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna win the national championships.
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Speaker 4: So we're gonna have three straight.
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Speaker 6: But but hey, Ole Miss, the way they're playing, you
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Speaker 6: can't you can't truly count them out. The way Miami's playing,
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Speaker 6: you can't count the ACC out. How wild would it
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Speaker 6: be if Miami somehow comes comes out on top national
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Speaker 6: champions with it with as much slander that we have
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Speaker 6: Levy levied towards the SE or the ACC this year
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Speaker 6: and Miami, a ten seed barely getting in ends up
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Speaker 6: winning it all they got a chance to that'd be crazy.
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Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti by the way as you talk about Indiana
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Speaker 3: as being a potential national champion, Kurt Signetti, who already
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Speaker 3: signed to raise in an extension this year, is gonna
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Speaker 3: get another one.
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Speaker 4: He's gonna get another million dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: Because there's all these NFL jobs, A full one third
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Speaker 3: is it or one fourth? I be it's a full
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Speaker 3: one third of the NFL has vacancies right now. McDaniel
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Speaker 3: got fired, Harbaugh got fired. They were already seven open. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: so as of yesterday there were there were six open, right,
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Speaker 3: and but there were seven teams that had contacted John Harbaugh.
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Speaker 4: So one team and maybe that was my probably Miami.
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Speaker 6: That was Miami who fired, who made it official and
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Speaker 6: fired Mike McDaniel today, So I think it's either seven
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Speaker 6: or eight, which would be close to a quarter. And
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Speaker 6: probably most importantly, the Raiders have an opening, and the
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Speaker 6: Raiders are going to most likely select Fernanda Mendoza. Are
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Speaker 6: you hearing that package deal thing you're about to allude
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Speaker 6: to it? The pack hey, Mendoza and Signetti. I Signetti
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Speaker 6: is absolutely the the major general like warden type prison
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Speaker 6: warden type college coach.
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Speaker 4: He is not that is not going to work in
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Speaker 4: the NFL.
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Speaker 3: I I don't know exactly the ins and outs, right, like,
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Speaker 3: is he a dictator in that Indiana program? Because if
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Speaker 3: he is, that doesn't work in the NFL. We've seen
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Speaker 3: it over and over and over again. Right, Urban Weire
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Speaker 3: was the best example with any kind of local connection.
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Speaker 3: Everybody that played for Urban Meyer at the University of
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Speaker 3: Utah and most of the guys that played for him
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Speaker 3: at Florida, and most of the guys that played for
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Speaker 3: him at Ohio State when they did podcast, when you
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Speaker 3: had private conversations, whatever, We're just like, it's not gonna
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Speaker 3: He is not going to be a good NFL coach
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Speaker 3: and he wasn't because his style does not translate. I
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Speaker 3: don't know that Signetti's style will translate either to the NFL.
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Speaker 3: But his agent doesn't have to care about His agent
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Speaker 3: just has to go get him an extra million. You
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Speaker 3: know what the Raiders really want Kurt. They've already contacted me.
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Speaker 3: They're going to draft for Nanda Mendoza. They would really
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Speaker 3: really enjoy having continuity there. So if you want Kurt
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Speaker 3: Signati to stay in college football, which he always intended
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Speaker 3: to do, most likely, you better give him a little
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Speaker 3: extra bump.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good agent ing. Celet you should do for sure.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of good agenting, we got unfortunate announcements in regard
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Speaker 3: to the Utah transfer portal after the show went final yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Now look, Utah did a great job also yesterday you
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Speaker 3: got the announcement that.
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Speaker 4: You bring it in.
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Speaker 3: A couple of wide receiver talents, Pegan and Kyrie Sholz
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Speaker 3: are coming. Utah State's best wide receiver. San Jose State's
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Speaker 3: best wide receiver. They're gonna be utes. That's phenomenal. John
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Speaker 3: ou Hall has extended his time at the University of Utah.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a big one. I know that not
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Speaker 4: everyone agrees with me.
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Speaker 3: We had someone on the text line eight seven seven
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Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred yesterday say I don't
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Speaker 3: think he's a good player.
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Speaker 4: I think he's a great player.
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Speaker 3: But these are the decisions you have to make as
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Speaker 3: a coaching staff. According to Joe Coles, John neu Hall
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Speaker 3: is gonna be one of the highest paid linebackers in
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Speaker 3: college football next year.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how you determine that.
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Speaker 3: I guess these agents call one another and talk to
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Speaker 3: one another and brag the deals that they're getting I
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Speaker 3: have a hard time believing that John who is going
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Speaker 3: to be one of the highest paid in the entire country.
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Speaker 3: But I do want to see him get paid. And
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Speaker 3: I do think he did get paid. And I know
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Speaker 3: that people didn't like my hypothetical salaries, right.
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Speaker 4: And there's a you don't have to pay that ty
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Speaker 4: that much.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Go tell him that, and go tell his agent that,
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Speaker 3: and go tell the University of Utah that. Because JJ Buchanan,
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Speaker 3: who is in the transfer portal, jumped into the transfer portal,
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Speaker 3: which none of us wanted to see. JJ Buchanan is
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Speaker 3: going to have options, ladies and gentlemen. And it's not
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Speaker 3: outside the realm of possibility that he would come back
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Speaker 3: to the University of Utah. But he's a guy who's
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator left. He played tight end last year for
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Speaker 3: the Utes and wide receiver for the Utes. The wide
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Speaker 3: receiver coach and the tight ends coach from the University
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Speaker 3: of Utah last season are in n arbor. I would
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Speaker 3: be shocked if he doesn't end up in an arbor.
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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, what matters for Utah
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Speaker 3: is can you replace production? Can you remain net positive?
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Speaker 3: In the transfer portal? And we have another eight days
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Speaker 3: to figure out whether or not you remain net positive
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Speaker 3: in the transfer portal. We don't know what it's actually
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Speaker 3: gonna look like at the end of the day. But
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Speaker 3: Jonah leia Aya in the transfer portal, I don't like that.
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Speaker 3: Don Sanders in the transfer portal. I don't like that
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Speaker 3: JJ Buchanan in the transfer portal.
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Speaker 4: I don't like that.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're gonna end up net negative, but
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Speaker 3: it just what it does tell you. Seeing those guys
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Speaker 3: kicking the tires at least on a transfer and getting
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Speaker 3: offers and seeing where the interest is, you know that
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Speaker 3: the biggest threat for all of this is Michigan. There
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Speaker 3: are other teams in your conference, BYU and Michigan are
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Speaker 3: your two biggest threats in the transfer portal. Right, I've
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Speaker 3: said it before, I will say it again. The portal
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Speaker 3: giveth and it taketh away. You can't be overly upset
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Speaker 3: about what you lose to the transfer portal when what
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Speaker 3: you have gained from the transfer portal since it became
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Speaker 3: a thing, and even before it was called the transfer portal,
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Speaker 3: Utah Football has been on the net positive side of
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Speaker 3: that ledger and will do its darnedest to remain so.
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Speaker 3: And I have faith in this coaching staff, their recruiting abilities, etc.
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Speaker 4: That they will remain on the positive side of things.
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Speaker 3: Scooby Davis extended yesterday, great corner right the best is
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Speaker 3: names escaping me right now. It'll come back to be
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Speaker 3: All American from Montana State just won a national championship.
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Speaker 4: Their corner.
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Speaker 3: Had a visit yesterday at the University of Utah. Loved
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Speaker 3: his time at the University of Utah. He's gonna do
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Speaker 3: his tour. He's gonna go around, he's gonna see what's
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Speaker 3: out there. But he's also going to look at man,
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Speaker 3: look at what they have done in developing defensive backs.
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Speaker 3: If I want to stay in the Western United States,
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Speaker 3: what school has done a better job? What position coach
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Speaker 3: has done a better job than Sharif Shaw of putting
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Speaker 3: guys into the league. There's some, I mean, let's be
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Speaker 3: honest about it, there's some heavy hitters for the University
20:21
Speaker 3: of Utah that are their names are currently in the
20:23
Speaker 3: transfer portal, Dallas Vauclachi in the transfer portal, Dallas Facolaki's.
20:30
Speaker 4: Going to end up at the University of Utah.
20:31
Speaker 3: Though, like there's all of these things where the knee
20:35
Speaker 3: jerk to panic reaction is natural but unnecessary. You got
20:41
Speaker 3: eight days to figure it out, and the wide receiver
20:45
Speaker 3: room even without JJ Buchanan returning Hunter Andrews, by the way, returning.
20:50
Speaker 3: If JJ Buchanan doesn't come back, you've got a guy
20:58
Speaker 3: now who's his same size, who had roughly double his
21:03
Speaker 3: production coming down from Utah State. And yes, I will
21:07
Speaker 3: listen to the arguments that, well, he's a little bit older,
21:10
Speaker 3: so there's less upside there. Okay, sure, fine, if you
21:13
Speaker 3: want to say that, oh, he was playing in the
21:15
Speaker 3: Mount West Conference, who wasn't playing in the Big twelve conference?
21:17
Speaker 3: All right, sure, but wide receiver is very much a
21:20
Speaker 3: plug and play position in most cases. So if what
21:26
Speaker 3: you're looking for is at least net neutral, losing a
21:29
Speaker 3: player as talented and as exciting and with as much
21:31
Speaker 3: upside as JJ Buchanan, they've already done it.
21:34
Speaker 4: They've already checked the box.
21:38
Speaker 3: Wide receivers are easier to find than defensive tackles, so
21:41
Speaker 3: you're going to want to do your best to make
21:43
Speaker 3: sure you can get Leaa to come back, or that
21:46
Speaker 3: you maybe they believe that this Samsula kid, they got
21:49
Speaker 3: from Wyoming who's got endless talent and motor.
21:53
Speaker 4: Maybe they think that he can be that.
21:55
Speaker 3: Maybe Utah loves upsizing position players. Samsulo came to college
22:05
Speaker 3: football as a tight end, and Wyoming had the vision
22:12
Speaker 3: and the awareness to say, look, man, you could be
22:14
Speaker 3: like a decent tight end, or we could put thirty
22:18
Speaker 3: pounds on you and that athleticism can translate to defensive line.
22:23
Speaker 4: We'll teach you the technique. Luther Allis is going to
22:26
Speaker 4: teach that up right. What I like to see Samsula.
22:29
Speaker 3: And lea Aya and Vakalahi and Kalfusi and Poopu Setpolona
22:34
Speaker 3: of course, And here's the thing. There's a lot of
22:40
Speaker 3: folks that think that Jonah lea Aya has serious interest
22:44
Speaker 3: at BYU. The recruiting pitch there is easiest pie. It's
22:49
Speaker 3: the easiest recruiting pitch you can find in order to
22:52
Speaker 3: retain someone who's at least exploring his possibilities. If you
22:59
Speaker 3: want to keep him away from you, just say call
23:04
Speaker 3: Keanutanavasa and ask him if he had a better season
23:09
Speaker 3: at BYU than he did when he was at the
23:11
Speaker 3: University of Utah. Ask him if he as a player
23:14
Speaker 3: had a better season. The answer is a clear and
23:18
Speaker 3: definitive no.
23:21
Speaker 4: That's not a knock on Poula.
23:23
Speaker 3: That's not a knock on anyone down there at BYU.
23:26
Speaker 3: But I've made the point many, many times. We have
23:33
Speaker 3: very few examples, if any of someone leaving this program
23:38
Speaker 3: and having it work out better for them individually. Did
23:41
Speaker 3: BYU have a better football season with Keanutanovasa as a
23:45
Speaker 3: captain down there at BYU? Then Utah's yeah. They played
23:48
Speaker 3: in the conference championship game, they won the rivalry game,
23:53
Speaker 3: they had fun in the pop Tarts Bowl, People's National
23:56
Speaker 3: champions pop Tarts Bowl.
23:57
Speaker 4: It was all great, right.
23:58
Speaker 3: I'm not taking anything away from the Koogs, But Keanutanovasa
24:04
Speaker 3: did not increase his draft stock. He did not elevate
24:08
Speaker 3: himself as an individual player. If you want to, he
24:12
Speaker 3: might have a different story to tell about what it
24:16
Speaker 3: did for him, his marriage, his personal life, his spiritual life, whatever.
24:21
Speaker 4: If that's what you're into.
24:22
Speaker 3: Sure, But when we're talking about the football equation here,
24:25
Speaker 3: and that's all you can really recruit to at the
24:27
Speaker 3: University of Utah right now, you just say, hey, if
24:30
Speaker 3: Michigan comes Colling, I guess you got to listen to
24:33
Speaker 3: that pitch because it's Michigan and they've done a good
24:36
Speaker 3: job with defensive linemen pushing him into the NFL. But
24:39
Speaker 3: BYU ain't us, because they're not. And if Jonah lea
24:45
Speaker 3: aa wants to make a decision to go to BYU
24:47
Speaker 3: instead of Utah as a defensive lineman, good luck to him,
24:53
Speaker 3: because you're not gonna get better than you would at Utah.
24:56
Speaker 3: You're not going to develop more successfully at BYU than
24:58
Speaker 3: you would at Utah.
25:00
Speaker 4: At Michigan.
25:00
Speaker 6: We don't know, you would think, because you're not just
25:05
Speaker 6: talking about how Michigan traditionally has developed that position. You're
25:10
Speaker 6: talking now about how that coaching staff we're not saying
25:14
Speaker 6: his name.
25:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, he who shall not be way, that was yesterday.
25:17
Speaker 4: Yesterday was the last time he shall not be named.
25:22
Speaker 6: That coaching staff that was here before, we know they
25:25
Speaker 6: have done a great job too.
25:27
Speaker 4: So it's it. That's part of the equation too.
25:29
Speaker 6: So I I feel like, obviously, for obvious reasons, you're
25:33
Speaker 6: always gonna feel bad and you're gonna be upset and
25:36
Speaker 6: frustrated as a fan, in particular when you lose guys
25:41
Speaker 6: to your rival, and in this case, b YU. But
25:44
Speaker 6: if you're losing them to that program that should not
25:47
Speaker 6: be named now, I feel like, yes, you're still gonna
25:50
Speaker 6: feel bad about that, but it's you're like, well, we're
25:56
Speaker 6: just unfortunately we don't have the attrition they have. And
25:59
Speaker 6: he knows that coaching staff now really well, and he
26:02
Speaker 6: knows that interestingly enough.
26:04
Speaker 3: He doesn't know the interior defensive line coach at that staff.
26:07
Speaker 3: Good point, and like, I don't know how you go
26:10
Speaker 3: to Luther Ellis and say thanks for all the hard
26:14
Speaker 3: work you put into me. I gotta go. Yeah, I
26:17
Speaker 3: don't know how you do that with Luthor. You probably don't.
26:19
Speaker 3: You probably probably do it while you're peeing your pants.
26:21
Speaker 3: You probably you probably send a text from like a
26:24
Speaker 3: burner phone, just just letting you know, because Luther tell
26:28
Speaker 3: your significant other, Hey, will you send this to my
26:32
Speaker 3: coach please. Luther is gonna end up as like one
26:36
Speaker 3: of the scariest old men. He's already he's a middle
26:38
Speaker 3: aged guy. He's like the scariest middle aged guy you
26:40
Speaker 3: can find. He's gonna be intimidating until he's eighty.
26:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, the most soft spoken, polite, most intimidating old man,
26:50
Speaker 6: middle aged man right now.
26:52
Speaker 4: There there is.
26:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And if he doesn't intimidate you, he'll just
26:56
Speaker 6: call one of his many NFL standout sons like hey, hey,
27:02
Speaker 6: I got something. Someone has something to say about their
27:06
Speaker 6: future with Utah. I just wanted to Hey Christian, Hey Jonah,
27:09
Speaker 6: Hey Cayden. I just I wanted you. I wanted him
27:12
Speaker 6: to tell you this. Well, this is a.
27:14
Speaker 3: Great question that came in from the text line before
27:17
Speaker 3: we get to a break, and Gordy Chase is already
27:19
Speaker 3: here in our Broadway studio.
27:22
Speaker 4: Seventeen forty three. I love this question.
27:25
Speaker 3: Over the next three hundred and sixty five days, which
27:27
Speaker 3: ticket at Rice Echos will cost more the twenty twenty
27:30
Speaker 3: six Holy War or the twenty twenty seven NHL Winter Classic.
27:37
Speaker 4: Which of those tickets is gonna what? That's a good question.
27:40
Speaker 3: I think the answer to the question will be the
27:43
Speaker 3: Holy War because there are a lot more people that
27:47
Speaker 3: are emotionally invested in the Holy War. But I don't
27:50
Speaker 3: think the gap will be significant in any way. The
27:54
Speaker 3: Winner Classic is a standalone, once in a lifetime style event.
27:58
Speaker 3: That is, I mean, you can go to the Holy
28:00
Speaker 3: War next next time, two years from now, you could, right,
28:04
Speaker 3: and people know that. So if you got three hundred
28:07
Speaker 3: bucks to spend on a ticket, it's gonna be at
28:10
Speaker 3: Rice Cycle Stadium in twenty twenty six. If you're talking
28:15
Speaker 3: about your long term sports fan experience, you might be like,
28:18
Speaker 3: what I'll do it Winter Classic this year. I'll make
28:20
Speaker 3: sure I go to every other Holy War. But there's
28:22
Speaker 3: just so much emotion in that game, and who knows
28:27
Speaker 3: how much more emotional that's gonna get. Because BYU players
28:30
Speaker 3: could becoming a Utah Utah players could be going to BYU.
28:33
Speaker 3: We know that that rams things up. It will be
28:36
Speaker 3: the first iteration of the Morgan Scalley Utes against the
28:39
Speaker 3: Koloni Satake Utes, and those guys have a lot of
28:42
Speaker 3: history and a close friendship and all that stuff. So
28:46
Speaker 3: I think it's I love the question, and we should
28:49
Speaker 3: monitor it. We will will keep a price tracker on
28:52
Speaker 3: the highest priced events at Rice ecl Stadium. It's gonna
28:56
Speaker 3: be it's like Holy War Winter Classic. Taylor Swift if
29:02
Speaker 3: she comes, but I don't think she's torn this year.
29:04
Speaker 6: Brian Reagan, which we have tickets too. We do have
29:07
Speaker 6: Brian Reagan tickets to give Bay Valentine's say, Brian Reagan,
29:10
Speaker 6: that's that's also an honorable mention there.
29:12
Speaker 3: Do you think Brian Reagan could sell out Rice Eycles
29:15
Speaker 3: like big time comedians do stadium shows.
29:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, like BARGHETSI I think has done that kind of stuff.
29:23
Speaker 1: Now.
29:24
Speaker 3: Nate Barghetti sold out three shows at the Delta Center
29:28
Speaker 3: in two days. Yeah, so he'll probably sell out rice
29:32
Speaker 3: He could sell out Rice Cycles.
29:33
Speaker 4: I mean the math on that is about accurate.
29:36
Speaker 6: Bargetsy, why don't you why don't you come to Rice
29:38
Speaker 6: Cycles next time? Huh yeah, uh definitely something, definitely something
29:44
Speaker 6: to track. I man I I wanted to see. You
29:48
Speaker 6: were talking about the passion, the the intensity of the
29:53
Speaker 6: Holy War and how it how that might change ramp
29:57
Speaker 6: up or otherwise within the Morgan Scolley era. I wonder
30:00
Speaker 6: if it'll ramp up for the for the reasons that
30:03
Speaker 6: Spence has been talking about, and how unlike Hugh shall
30:08
Speaker 6: not be named, the dark lord who is at the
30:10
Speaker 6: program that shall not be named. Now we can say Michigan.
30:13
Speaker 6: Michigan's okay that I'm not going to okay. The uh
30:17
Speaker 6: he he played at BYU.
30:20
Speaker 4: He has the tie to BYU. Morgan did not right.
30:23
Speaker 6: He knows a lot of the guys on the coaching
30:25
Speaker 6: staff at BYU because they used to coach at Utah
30:28
Speaker 6: too with him. But I wonder if over time that
30:32
Speaker 6: intensity is going to ramp up, because it's gonna be like,
30:34
Speaker 6: I don't have this this desire to have BYU guys
30:39
Speaker 6: on my staff the way that the old coach did,
30:42
Speaker 6: and so that that'll be interesting to track too.
30:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
30:47
Speaker 3: I don't foresee a situation in which Morgan makes it
30:50
Speaker 3: more vitriolic.
30:52
Speaker 4: I think it'll be. I think it'll be.
30:55
Speaker 3: More of a Lavelle Ron McBride vibe without because like
31:01
Speaker 3: McBride didn't have any ties to BYU at all. Lavelle
31:05
Speaker 3: got a degree from the University of Utah. But I
31:09
Speaker 3: bet you didn't know that. Cougar fans, but that's like,
31:12
Speaker 3: you know, no one cares about that really ancient history.
31:15
Speaker 3: Those guys were great representatives of their individual universities who
31:19
Speaker 3: happened to be good friends, had a great relationship with
31:21
Speaker 3: one another. And the rivalry on the field between the
31:24
Speaker 3: fans it was still as heated as ever, but the
31:27
Speaker 3: calming effect was brought to you by those two head coaches.
31:32
Speaker 3: That's how this rivalry is gonna be with Morgan Scalley
31:35
Speaker 3: and Koloni Satake in charge.
31:37
Speaker 4: Right, Fans are gonna hate each other. Players are gonna
31:39
Speaker 4: hate each other.
31:40
Speaker 3: Transfer portal is gonna make it worse as guys go
31:42
Speaker 3: back and forth from roster to roster. Morgan scali and
31:45
Speaker 3: Kalona Satake and the other guys on that staff, we
31:48
Speaker 3: all know each other so well, are gonna be like,
31:50
Speaker 3: I like that guy this week.
31:52
Speaker 6: I hate him, but we play pickleball together. It's gonna
31:57
Speaker 6: be fine.
31:58
Speaker 3: Gotta take a break. Gordgish is here in studio. We
32:01
Speaker 3: got a lot to talk about on the NBA front,
32:04
Speaker 3: and I'm actually he Gordy likes hockey. I want to
32:07
Speaker 3: ask him about his plans for the upcoming Winter Classic
32:09
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Speaker 7: Peace Out.
32:21
Speaker 1: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
32:23
Speaker 1: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
32:27
Speaker 1: NBA than any of us will ever know.
32:29
Speaker 7: Let's not get crazy.
32:30
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32:43
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in Gordon Jaza,
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32:54
Speaker 3: Steeler Utah Jazz in action tonight against the Fighting Cooper
32:59
Speaker 3: Flags of Mavericks coming in for a seven pm tip.
33:04
Speaker 3: Tickets are available as low as thirteen dollars. I love
33:07
Speaker 3: that tracker on ESPN. Gordy Jay is a welcome Ben.
33:10
Speaker 3: How are you, sir, Joan.
33:11
Speaker 7: I'm doing fine, Thank you.
33:13
Speaker 3: Let's start there, Dallas visiting Utah. I think everyone's mostly
33:17
Speaker 3: over the fact that you didn't get the star rookie
33:20
Speaker 3: that Dallas now has, but a chance to see him
33:23
Speaker 3: up close and personal, his team up close and personal.
33:26
Speaker 7: Oh very much.
33:26
Speaker 8: Cooper Flagg is going to be the rookie of the Year,
33:29
Speaker 8: with his former college teammate Kank Nipple finishing second and VJ.
33:34
Speaker 8: Edgecomb should be third. And he is all advertised and
33:38
Speaker 8: he's tremendous, unbelievable, talented guy. He's a generational ability and
33:44
Speaker 8: I love about him is that he's a two way player.
33:47
Speaker 8: He plays both offense and defense in transition. He's sensational
33:51
Speaker 8: with those long strides, He's got those ball skills, and
33:54
Speaker 8: what he does best is that he's able to play
33:57
Speaker 8: up in the air and be acrobatic, be under control,
34:01
Speaker 8: and make a lot of really interesting simple place And
34:06
Speaker 8: if I'm the Dalla from Mavericks, he is absolutely the future.
34:09
Speaker 8: It's some quick metrics with him. He's averaging eighteen point
34:12
Speaker 8: nine points per game, six point five rebounds, four point
34:15
Speaker 8: two assists, one point two blocks, shooting forty seven point
34:19
Speaker 8: eight from the field goal. But he's the one nemesis Sean.
34:22
Speaker 8: He's only shooting twenty seven point six from threes, and
34:25
Speaker 8: so he's got improve that. And he's a dynamic driver,
34:28
Speaker 8: velocity cutter, and most of all, Sewan, he's a nasty dunker.
34:33
Speaker 4: Nasty.
34:35
Speaker 3: We see these young guys come in and obviously that's
34:38
Speaker 3: a big part of your game when you're young and
34:40
Speaker 3: you can elevate and you have a little bit of
34:41
Speaker 3: size later on in the career, and there's plenty of
34:45
Speaker 3: time between now and then for Cooper Flag. Later on
34:48
Speaker 3: the career, you can't play that elevated game and you
34:51
Speaker 3: have to adjust. Is he going to have to adjust
34:53
Speaker 3: or is he already there?
34:56
Speaker 8: Oh have to adjust? No, right now, it's not again.
34:57
Speaker 8: He's only eighteen years old and hit him. World is perfect,
35:01
Speaker 8: you know, the world. The world's my oyster, to say
35:03
Speaker 8: the least, and that he's going to be able to
35:05
Speaker 8: be a high flyer for a long long time minus
35:08
Speaker 8: golf forbid some serious injury and over the period of
35:11
Speaker 8: time he'll adjust like all the great leapers that are
35:14
Speaker 8: scorers and throughout their career. So Michael Jordan adjusted at
35:18
Speaker 8: age was say thirty something, and Kobe Bryant adjusted also
35:21
Speaker 8: at age thirty something. Where they play they still want
35:24
Speaker 8: airborne when they had to, but most of the time
35:26
Speaker 8: they were able to play the game. I call it
35:28
Speaker 8: gravity scoring, and he'll be good at it. But in
35:31
Speaker 8: the meantime, right now, Cooper Flag is sensational. The Jazz
35:35
Speaker 8: beat the reference Point. The Jazz did beat the Mavericks
35:38
Speaker 8: the first time this year. There was a relatious game
35:40
Speaker 8: back on recently. On December fifteenth, the Jazz beat the
35:45
Speaker 8: Mavericks one thirty three in overtime, where Count de George
35:49
Speaker 8: was sensational, and so was Uh and so was Larry Marketing,
35:54
Speaker 8: and so it should be a great game tonight. Both
35:57
Speaker 8: teams are struggling, which is positive, and the Dallas Mavericks,
36:03
Speaker 8: Dallas Mavericks are the record is fourteen and twenty three
36:07
Speaker 8: and four and twelve at home. It's gonna be on
36:10
Speaker 8: the road, probably on the road. And so the Jazz
36:12
Speaker 8: are coming off a tough loss last night in ok See.
36:16
Speaker 8: They probably got home last night around roughly three o'clock
36:20
Speaker 8: in the morning, so there'll be a little bit slow
36:23
Speaker 8: to start the game. The Mavericker here last night sting
36:26
Speaker 8: in the hotel, they'll be ready to roll Sga.
36:29
Speaker 3: By the way, and that one forty six points, six rebounds,
36:33
Speaker 3: six assists, the defending MVP not slowing down a lot
36:37
Speaker 3: this year. And it's not that the Jazz Stars played bad,
36:41
Speaker 3: but you just can't keep up with somebody like that
36:44
Speaker 3: on a night like that, Oh very much.
36:45
Speaker 8: He was absolutely sensational. He was the reason why that
36:49
Speaker 8: they were the Thundery were able to hold off the
36:52
Speaker 8: Utah Jazz. And let's not forget Sean Besides those forty
36:56
Speaker 8: six points and forty two minutes, he had no turnovers.
36:59
Speaker 8: So the main guys trying to trying to stop in
37:02
Speaker 8: the game, he has the pressure to get to make
37:05
Speaker 8: plays all the time. He makes no mental errors or
37:08
Speaker 8: physical errors. It was a brilliant performance and that's why
37:11
Speaker 8: they're able to hold off the Jazz. Unfortunately for the Jazz,
37:14
Speaker 8: they played hard, they played it, they played connected, and
37:17
Speaker 8: they really took it right to the Thunder. And there's
37:20
Speaker 8: so much talk about the about the Thunder that they're
37:24
Speaker 8: a dynasty, the waild wordy tia, that that they're an
37:27
Speaker 8: elite team and could be NBA champions. But they're not
37:30
Speaker 8: a dynasty because it's so hard in this era because
37:34
Speaker 8: of these luxury tax and re signing guys, and also
37:38
Speaker 8: the other guys are good. So remember, now, the Thunder
37:41
Speaker 8: started out twenty four and one this year, and that's
37:44
Speaker 8: what it was saying, Oh, they're a dynasty, They're gonna
37:46
Speaker 8: be absolutely incredible.
37:49
Speaker 4: Throwing that term around so easily.
37:50
Speaker 3: You win one championship and start a good regular season strong,
37:55
Speaker 3: Now you're a dynasty.
37:56
Speaker 7: That's what happens.
37:57
Speaker 5: You know.
37:57
Speaker 8: Again, it's it's social media et cetera. So since then
38:01
Speaker 8: they've been seven to six. Yeah, including last night's game
38:04
Speaker 8: where if if Wood should again, if Shay doesn't make
38:08
Speaker 8: that jump shot against good defense by Kiante George with
38:12
Speaker 8: that body, lean slash talent, then the Jazz win. And
38:16
Speaker 8: then they were going to say, oh, by the way,
38:18
Speaker 8: they're thund to have a losing record of less thirteen games.
38:22
Speaker 3: So, I mean, look, if you're Oklahoma City, you can't
38:25
Speaker 3: enjoy the idea that you went even into overtime. Yes,
38:28
Speaker 3: a victory, but if you went into overtime against a
38:31
Speaker 3: Jazz team that is not supposed to be trying to
38:34
Speaker 3: win that much this year, and give me the I
38:38
Speaker 3: know that for the Utah Jazz it ends up being
38:40
Speaker 3: a loss, another learning opportunity. The silver lining and all
38:44
Speaker 3: these losses is you keep certain draft picks in your pocket,
38:48
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But give me the opposite perspective.
38:52
Speaker 3: Oksee is a contending team, they could repeat as champions,
38:57
Speaker 3: They've got the MVP. You don't want to play extra
39:01
Speaker 3: basketball against a young team like this, Am I right?
39:03
Speaker 8: Correct, You're exactly right. And so with that said that,
39:08
Speaker 8: the Jazz were highly motivated and bounce seated to say
39:11
Speaker 8: the least, and the Thunder that were playing like it's
39:14
Speaker 8: the middle of March, where let's get to the playoffs
39:18
Speaker 8: again for the last thirteen games and it's new to
39:21
Speaker 8: them where suddenly everyone's coming at them with their a game.
39:24
Speaker 8: Before that, there were the teams that there were the
39:26
Speaker 8: team that was going after the opposition as far as
39:29
Speaker 8: trying to bite, fight and claw to show that hey guys,
39:32
Speaker 8: we can play right now. So now they're the ones
39:34
Speaker 8: that everybody's bringing all their things. So for example, last night,
39:38
Speaker 8: the Jazz punched the Thunder in the face on the
39:40
Speaker 8: boards sixty five rebounds to fifty one. And that's led
39:44
Speaker 8: by the guy that we all loved to always talk about,
39:47
Speaker 8: Yusef Nurkurice the Bosi and beasts through his body around
39:50
Speaker 8: the lane the whole time he was hitting people. He
39:52
Speaker 8: started hitting everybody, including people in the front row to start,
39:56
Speaker 8: and that's his game. You gotta love him the way
39:58
Speaker 8: he plays and that he helps the Jazz I called Sean
40:03
Speaker 8: chaos in the lane. He fouls his own teammates sometimes,
40:07
Speaker 8: you know, as far as going for the ball. But
40:10
Speaker 8: with that said, he's got fifteen points and fifteen rebounds
40:13
Speaker 8: and until he got he got in foul trouble. That
40:16
Speaker 8: he did a good job of taking taking some of
40:20
Speaker 8: the play of chet Hungrim. Yeah, Hogrim got a score
40:23
Speaker 8: twenty three points. I get it. But he goes after that,
40:26
Speaker 8: he was in foul trouble and he was ready, he
40:29
Speaker 8: ready filed out with six fouls. And you know, with
40:31
Speaker 8: Yusef Nurkice, let's say, Sean, he gets all worth. His
40:35
Speaker 8: six fouls are all worthy. Is that he's not like
40:38
Speaker 8: a cheap foul. He's found you like the true to
40:41
Speaker 8: stop two points.
40:42
Speaker 3: If you were coaching chet Holme Grin, would you still
40:45
Speaker 3: try to put more weight on that guy or are
40:47
Speaker 3: we just accepting the fact that he's a slim reaper
40:50
Speaker 3: for the rest of his career.
40:53
Speaker 8: I think he's a slim reaper the rest of his career. Yeah,
40:55
Speaker 8: I mean, you try to make him stronger as far
40:57
Speaker 8: as in his legs his leg strength, but upper body
41:00
Speaker 8: he's tall and slender and he's agile, and so it's
41:04
Speaker 8: hard to do that. Some people are like that. And
41:06
Speaker 8: you know, again, I'm just I'm not a scientist or
41:08
Speaker 8: a doctor or a dietitian. I'm assuming that he's a
41:11
Speaker 8: he's got a you know, hard he's got really a
41:14
Speaker 8: fun problem. It's it's a lot of things and never
41:16
Speaker 8: gains weight. Yeah, that's a fun problem. That was thoroughballa
41:20
Speaker 8: when we coach at Thoroughbelly, thorough Billy, you think about Thoroughblay.
41:23
Speaker 8: Even now at eight sixty, we see what Threw was
41:25
Speaker 8: born in sixty one, Okay, Throw right now, sixty four
41:29
Speaker 8: years young. His body's slender. And we used to say
41:32
Speaker 8: that thrill keep eating eating, eating all these calories. It
41:35
Speaker 8: didn't matter. His body fat was like, I'm not exaggerating,
41:39
Speaker 8: like a one percent.
41:40
Speaker 4: That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, he still looks great.
41:43
Speaker 7: He looks great.
41:43
Speaker 8: No, and that so that's Chet hungrim Again, I'm not
41:46
Speaker 8: new nutritionist, Sophia. If I'm talking out of out of
41:49
Speaker 8: school police, I'm gonna stop. But just generally speaking as
41:53
Speaker 8: a layman, that's what happens. But he's but again, he's
41:55
Speaker 8: he's skilled. So it happens with Chet Hulgrim type. Don't
41:59
Speaker 8: put him positions where he has to show his lack
42:01
Speaker 8: of physicality. Put him in a position on the court
42:04
Speaker 8: where he can show his skill set of going around
42:07
Speaker 8: somebody up and over now use of Anookage. He's not
42:10
Speaker 8: going to cooperate. He's going to try to make him
42:13
Speaker 8: to have to have his lack of strength to play
42:15
Speaker 8: against Yukage in the lane, and he did most of
42:18
Speaker 8: the game, but then Yukic filed out and then Chan's
42:20
Speaker 8: able to roam the baseline free and by the Jazz
42:23
Speaker 8: playing switch defense, Hokerman had an advantageous situation where directs
42:28
Speaker 8: and brent Sasabal to put a body on chet Hougrim
42:31
Speaker 8: where it's a lent situation, and lent beats what lack
42:35
Speaker 8: of or just moderate strength.
42:39
Speaker 4: Gordy Chase is our guest here in studio.
42:41
Speaker 3: We've got him for another forty five minutes or so
42:44
Speaker 3: before we take a break. You and I have talked
42:46
Speaker 3: about this a lot when we're talking about a young
42:48
Speaker 3: Jazz team. That is, you know, they're in the situation
42:51
Speaker 3: they're in. There's not an expected playoff run. There's some
42:57
Speaker 3: portion of the fan base and maybe even the front
42:59
Speaker 3: office that wants to pursus of draft picks and stuff.
43:01
Speaker 3: But these games, like the one tonight, you're going against
43:04
Speaker 3: another team that's kind of in that similar situation. They're
43:07
Speaker 3: building back. It's gonna take a couple of years for them.
43:12
Speaker 3: I don't know if the right way to say it
43:13
Speaker 3: is that they're on your level. But these games we've
43:16
Speaker 3: talked about being more important than when you're going up
43:19
Speaker 3: against Okay, see, as important as that is to test
43:22
Speaker 3: yourself against the best in the league, you learn a
43:25
Speaker 3: lot more when you're going up against someone who's on
43:27
Speaker 3: your same level. Are you progressing as fast as they're progressing?
43:31
Speaker 3: If they're gonna be good in three years, can you
43:33
Speaker 3: stay ahead of that pace, et cetera. So how does
43:36
Speaker 3: the Jazz prove tonight that they're in the right spot there?
43:39
Speaker 8: One by respecting your opponent. The Jazz get in trouble
43:43
Speaker 8: just generally speaking early in the game win they usually
43:47
Speaker 8: are down unfortunately, so they've got to start out with
43:51
Speaker 8: a much higher urgency rate as far as guarding. So
43:55
Speaker 8: the question is always always talk about this Sean, is
43:58
Speaker 8: that Coop a flag? He's going to be in the
44:00
Speaker 8: Western Conference for over the next hopefully and there is
44:03
Speaker 8: their world fifteen years, so which means that the Jets
44:06
Speaker 8: have to find somebody to be able to defend him
44:09
Speaker 8: and slow him down. So last game is scoring against
44:12
Speaker 8: the Jazz forty two points. And so if they need
44:14
Speaker 8: someone like say Philipowski type people to try to get
44:18
Speaker 8: in that game and their sole purpose is to watch
44:21
Speaker 8: stay in front of him and make him shoot a
44:23
Speaker 8: tough shot over them. So these games do matter. And
44:26
Speaker 8: also just this is a standpoint right now in the
44:29
Speaker 8: present tense today, Jess have lost five games in a row. So, Sean,
44:33
Speaker 8: that's an awful feeling. You lose five games in a row,
44:35
Speaker 8: you lose in overtime last night, you get the house
44:38
Speaker 8: at three o'clock this morning, it was a little bit
44:40
Speaker 8: snow wherever you live right now, there's some snow. And
44:42
Speaker 8: by the way, I'm back in the arena by four
44:45
Speaker 8: to forty five today to play another game. And so
44:48
Speaker 8: if we're going to be tired, let's be tired of
44:50
Speaker 8: what losing.
44:51
Speaker 7: I'm see you're.
44:52
Speaker 8: Tired of losing, Sean. I lived that life for thirty
44:55
Speaker 8: six years, and so I know what it's like. You know,
44:57
Speaker 8: to you're not sure what date is right now, we're
45:00
Speaker 8: playing the maps to that. Okay, let's win.
45:03
Speaker 4: And then after the MAVs this weekend, you've got.
45:05
Speaker 8: Ther right good, another young team. That's so that's trying
45:10
Speaker 8: to be like the like the Jazz. So it's good
45:12
Speaker 8: the Jets have back to back games where players are
45:15
Speaker 8: gonna challenge them, and the Jazz have good players also,
45:19
Speaker 8: Conant de George, who's gonna get votes with some of
45:21
Speaker 8: the most improved players in the NBA. And so what
45:24
Speaker 8: they want to do is be the aggressor early take it,
45:27
Speaker 8: to take the play right to them, and then defensively
45:30
Speaker 8: really try to lock down. Last point about this quickly
45:34
Speaker 8: is that they lost less than overtime, showing they committed
45:37
Speaker 8: twenty turnovers. Just think about it. But like in the NFL,
45:40
Speaker 8: shown having three deceptions and two fumbles in the red zone.
45:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not gonna win.
45:47
Speaker 8: That're not gonna win, even though you do play hard
45:50
Speaker 8: and there's a lot of good things happening during the game.
45:52
Speaker 8: So if you've got to not turn that ball over,
45:55
Speaker 8: you can't settle legal screens, you can't have offensive elbow
45:59
Speaker 8: thousand the guys face that's a it's a foul. And
46:02
Speaker 8: so those are the things why lesser teams lose because
46:05
Speaker 8: they beat themselves.
46:07
Speaker 3: All right, Like I said, we got Gordy for plenty
46:09
Speaker 3: of time. Today, We'll take a quick one here, we'll
46:11
Speaker 3: come back, we'll zoom out a little bit, not just
46:13
Speaker 3: talking about the jazz, but everything that's going on in
46:16
Speaker 3: the NBA's The Shawan O'Connell Show on Utah's number one
46:19
Speaker 3: Sports Talk ESPN seven ninety two.
46:21
Speaker 4: One ff, let me tell you so, I'll give it.
46:29
Speaker 4: What you do.
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Speaker 1: You tune to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdock
46:34
Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPNEM.
46:44
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Shawn O'Connell Show.
46:47
Speaker 3: Gordy Chase is here in studio with us, brought to
46:49
Speaker 3: you by a Laddin Industries or Utah v Lux Steeler.
46:52
Speaker 4: And look, we're gonna jump back into the NBA. I promise.
46:56
Speaker 3: We got a short segment here and Gordy when we
46:58
Speaker 3: went to break, he said, we have to talk about
47:01
Speaker 3: the stinking Jets. Gordy's a Jets fan, A curse that
47:05
Speaker 3: has followed you for decades now.
47:07
Speaker 7: Gordy sixty years.
47:10
Speaker 8: I'm seventy five, so Sean maybe earlier, well sixty something years.
47:14
Speaker 3: You would think in those six decades that you had
47:17
Speaker 3: seen everything that you had already experienced, all the highs
47:20
Speaker 3: and the lows that being a sports fan can bring you.
47:25
Speaker 3: But twenty twenty five brought us something that even you,
47:28
Speaker 3: with that long standing fanom have never seen from the
47:31
Speaker 3: New York Jets or from any team.
47:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Shoe and I were talking spontaneously about just
47:38
Speaker 8: certain teams and coaches, and it involves the NBA and
47:42
Speaker 8: also the NFL, definitely in the NFL, which is a
47:44
Speaker 8: team's boy. So last year, the New York Jets did
47:49
Speaker 8: not have an interception by any player on the field
47:53
Speaker 8: the whole season. I'll say eighty again, not one interception
47:57
Speaker 8: by the Jets players the team during the whole season.
48:03
Speaker 8: The last time it happened was nineteen thirty three.
48:08
Speaker 3: So they started tracking interceptions in the NFL in nineteen
48:12
Speaker 3: thirty three. And never ever, ever has a team gone
48:16
Speaker 3: through an entire season without accidentally recording an interception. A
48:21
Speaker 3: ball gets tipped, quarterback gets sapped, falls into a defensive
48:26
Speaker 3: lineman's lap, whatever. Never before has it happened that a
48:31
Speaker 3: team does not record an interception. And your Jets manage
48:35
Speaker 3: that today.
48:36
Speaker 8: Correct, And so yeah, even myself, I'm a crazy fan,
48:41
Speaker 8: So I know just so many lovable Jazz fans, and
48:44
Speaker 8: I'm one of them. I worked for them for many years.
48:47
Speaker 8: Is that that's the beauty of being a fan that
48:50
Speaker 8: you suffer like you you're suffered throughout things, and a
48:53
Speaker 8: good part though when you suffer, there's always the ray
48:55
Speaker 8: of hope and that makes yourself a fan, and that's
48:58
Speaker 8: what in jazz basketball there's there's definitely really hope with
49:01
Speaker 8: development of Cante George and all the other young guys
49:04
Speaker 8: that the Jets have Will also Walton Clayton Junior, and
49:07
Speaker 8: it's everyone else in general, but in football right now,
49:10
Speaker 8: because this week's the Shawn. This week is wild card
49:12
Speaker 8: weekend in the NFL, and there's so many amazing matchups
49:17
Speaker 8: and Sean, I love the forty nine, so do you.
49:19
Speaker 8: And they're gonna have a tough get also this weekend,
49:22
Speaker 8: and then the Mother of all games is gonna be
49:24
Speaker 8: I'm assuming the Packers and.
49:27
Speaker 7: The Bears.
49:29
Speaker 4: I looked it up just because I wanted to know.
49:33
Speaker 3: Was there a team in college football this year that
49:36
Speaker 3: didn't record any interceptions? Actually, a Utah Big twelve opponent
49:43
Speaker 3: was dead last in the country.
49:44
Speaker 4: And how many interceptions? Only two for Cincinnati.
49:50
Speaker 3: But even when you expand like the NFL has got
49:53
Speaker 3: thirty two teams whatever, even when you expand that to
49:55
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty six teams. Nobody manages except for
49:59
Speaker 3: the Jets to fail in getting an interception.
50:02
Speaker 8: It's almost really, it's almost impossible. And they say, no,
50:06
Speaker 8: nothing's impossible. This is this is impossible. I can't describe
50:11
Speaker 8: the words right now. Good, think about it. In every
50:13
Speaker 8: sport you want to have defensive we call him playmakers.
50:16
Speaker 8: So you're in the NFL, you're a d back or
50:18
Speaker 8: of safety. Early eyes. You break to the ball before
50:22
Speaker 8: it happens. You spy, You spy the quarterback. In basketball,
50:26
Speaker 8: it's the same thing. You break to the ball, you're
50:29
Speaker 8: around the ball. The guy makes a spin dribble, and
50:31
Speaker 8: you're you're at You're at the nail. You're a nail
50:33
Speaker 8: defensive player, which means why you're right at the middle
50:36
Speaker 8: of the court. Guy makes a spin dribble, you're right
50:38
Speaker 8: there to pick his pocket. Early eyes coming down the floor.
50:41
Speaker 8: He's looking at a certain guy cutting and you back
50:44
Speaker 8: up in the coverage and you have your hands high.
50:46
Speaker 8: Most times you're in your hands are high. Only good
50:48
Speaker 8: things happen.
50:49
Speaker 3: All right, Because we're off basketball for just a second,
50:52
Speaker 3: and I promise, if you're listening, we're gonna get back
50:55
Speaker 3: on basketball after we take a break. But the announcement
50:58
Speaker 3: came down yesterday, Ryan Smith, the NHL, the Utah Mammoth,
51:02
Speaker 3: They're bringing the outdoor Game, the Winter Classic to Rice
51:06
Speaker 3: Ecles Stadium. This is the showcase event aside from the
51:10
Speaker 3: Stanley Cup Playoffs. This is the NHL's like premier thing.
51:13
Speaker 3: And in the third year of the franchise's existence. We
51:17
Speaker 3: get that because of the relationship that the Smith family
51:21
Speaker 3: has put together with the NHL, because of the fans support,
51:24
Speaker 3: because of the reputation that this franchise and its players
51:28
Speaker 3: have developed around the NHL.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be amazing. Tell me what it means, Gordy.
51:34
Speaker 3: You've been around pro sports for the longest and when
51:38
Speaker 3: your city, your team gets to host one of these events,
51:42
Speaker 3: what does it do.
51:43
Speaker 8: It really uplifts the whole community, and it connects the
51:45
Speaker 8: NHL with Salt Lake City being a major player in
51:49
Speaker 8: it and an outdoors There's nothing like it. Should I
51:52
Speaker 8: believe they played recently at Fenway Park.
51:55
Speaker 3: They've done it at Fenways. They did the one this
51:57
Speaker 3: year was in Miami. They did it like in the
52:01
Speaker 3: Tropics at the Marlins Stadium.
52:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, they.
52:06
Speaker 3: Let the Panthers play outdoors, and I mean somehow managed
52:09
Speaker 3: to keep the ice frozen.
52:10
Speaker 8: And also what does is that it's it's like old
52:13
Speaker 8: schools showing. It's like the the Canadians, you know Canadians
52:17
Speaker 8: and the Flying Fins. As far as all these incredible
52:21
Speaker 8: athletes that are skaters and scores in the NHL.
52:24
Speaker 7: It will be here.
52:25
Speaker 8: It's going to be happening, absolutely, and I'm looking forward
52:28
Speaker 8: to it. Should hope youre not can go together. Let's
52:32
Speaker 8: do it, Gordy.
52:33
Speaker 3: The NBA has played showcase outdoor games. Could something like
52:39
Speaker 3: this be successful in the NBA? I mean there's all
52:41
Speaker 3: these iconic parks. I don't know how you turn a
52:44
Speaker 3: real NBA game into like a Rucker Park event or
52:47
Speaker 3: something like that, but you know we've seen college basketball
52:50
Speaker 3: games played on aircraft carriers and things like that. Could
52:54
Speaker 3: the NBA embrace this as like a special event once
52:58
Speaker 3: a year type thing.
52:59
Speaker 7: Yes, the answer is yes. They could.
53:00
Speaker 8: Would have to be obviously in warmer weather, and they
53:03
Speaker 8: had played some They played some games outdoors though, showing
53:07
Speaker 8: in preseason in Palm Springs.
53:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
53:10
Speaker 3: The Indian Wells tennis guard exactly right, they have they
53:14
Speaker 3: did that. The Phoenix Suns hosted three preseason games at
53:17
Speaker 3: Indian Wells in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
53:20
Speaker 3: twenty ten, and the WNBA has played one outdoor regular
53:26
Speaker 3: season game back in two thousand and eight. In nineteen
53:29
Speaker 3: seventy two, the first NBA outdoor game was a preseason matchup.
53:33
Speaker 3: They did it in Puerto Rico Phoenix Suns Milwaukee Bucks.
53:36
Speaker 4: Do you remember that.
53:37
Speaker 8: I don't know, but I'm sure it happened. So and
53:40
Speaker 8: one time I coached in for the Jazz In Assemble
53:42
Speaker 8: League game in Portland in an outdoor court that we
53:45
Speaker 8: played an outdoor game, and that was the game I
53:47
Speaker 8: remember mostly about it. We won the game and rookie
53:49
Speaker 8: Blue Edwards got into a fight during the game. So
53:52
Speaker 8: it was a Mayhoun so rookie it was back in
53:55
Speaker 8: nineteen was say ninety nineteen ninety Blue Ewarts got into
53:59
Speaker 8: a fight with Povich. Oh wow, you're going to a
54:03
Speaker 8: fight with him. And it was a male and it
54:06
Speaker 8: was outdoor. It was an outdoor court. It was like
54:09
Speaker 8: a festival in Portland, and so we had to break
54:13
Speaker 8: up a fight that was outdoors.
54:14
Speaker 3: Now, one of the things that the NHL players seemed
54:17
Speaker 3: to embrace and like and the fans as well about
54:19
Speaker 3: this game is the conditions are strange, a little bit
54:23
Speaker 3: ugly sometimes. Logan Cooley was up at the press conference
54:26
Speaker 3: yesterday and he actually said he wanted it to be
54:28
Speaker 3: bad ice. He wanted it to be like rough ice
54:31
Speaker 3: and slushy and things like that, because a lot of
54:34
Speaker 3: these guys came up skating on like less than ideal
54:38
Speaker 3: you know, your backyard, your pond, your local park, that
54:41
Speaker 3: kind of a thing, and there's nostalgia to it.
54:44
Speaker 5: Now.
54:44
Speaker 3: You wouldn't want to do it every single game, but
54:46
Speaker 3: why not for a game in the NBA? Obviously an
54:50
Speaker 3: outdoor game would present a lot of those same complications.
54:53
Speaker 3: A little bit of rain on a hardwood floor disastrous,
54:56
Speaker 3: too slippery, too crazy if you're playing on black top,
55:00
Speaker 3: maybe not as big of a deal with things like that.
55:02
Speaker 3: So would NBA players for one game of year? Would
55:06
Speaker 3: they embrace the less than ideal conditions? I mean, we've
55:09
Speaker 3: seen all these things where guys are like Steph Curry
55:12
Speaker 3: dribbles around the floor to make sure there's no dead
55:14
Speaker 3: spots and stuff like that. They're used to perfection. Would
55:18
Speaker 3: they embrace for one day something outside of perfection?
55:25
Speaker 7: No, because of the player's union. Sure, that's the reason why.
55:30
Speaker 8: And when you're paying Victor Wenbyonmber one hundred million dollars
55:33
Speaker 8: eventually per year, you don't want to have that risk
55:36
Speaker 8: because you're playing on black top. So that's the reason
55:39
Speaker 8: why it would be highly unlikely as far as a
55:43
Speaker 8: regular season game, absolutely unfortunately. But in NHL it's all
55:47
Speaker 8: part of it and the excuna be NFL playing outdoors
55:52
Speaker 8: is absolutely playing in cold weather. You know, Buffalo Bills,
55:55
Speaker 8: they do it all the time. Last but starts snowing
55:58
Speaker 8: a Buffalo in July.
55:59
Speaker 3: Actually, the the very last event that the PFL did
56:02
Speaker 3: before I became part of the PFL was an outdoor
56:06
Speaker 3: venue like down in South Florida, and it was so
56:11
Speaker 3: muggy and so rainy that like the canvas was slippery
56:16
Speaker 3: and it was a massive hazard for guys. This is
56:18
Speaker 3: before the new ownership took over and the organization became
56:22
Speaker 3: what it is now, the one that I'm working for.
56:25
Speaker 3: And people were like, I mean, it's it's an apocryphal story.
56:29
Speaker 3: Like the guys that were there, the announcers that were
56:31
Speaker 3: there were just like it was ridiculous because a little
56:34
Speaker 3: like a little rain on a on a canvas. Fine,
56:38
Speaker 3: a little rain on the plastic logos that cover the canvas,
56:43
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it's a slipping slide and
56:45
Speaker 3: you got guys that they're trying to fight each other,
56:47
Speaker 3: losing their footing and stuff.
56:48
Speaker 4: So yeah, I love the outdoor events. I really do.
56:53
Speaker 3: Typical indoor sports being played outdoors awesome, but it can
56:57
Speaker 3: get crazy. James here, Saint George. Guy, we did some fights,
57:00
Speaker 3: some local fights. One of my I was cornering one
57:03
Speaker 3: of my buddies out at what's the what's the reservoir
57:07
Speaker 3: that's out by in Washington County, San Hollo, San Hollo. Yeah,
57:11
Speaker 3: we did some fights out there at San Hollo, like
57:13
Speaker 3: on the shore of San Hollo. Probably looked pretty cool,
57:17
Speaker 3: looked amazing. Now San Hollo is aptly named. There's sand
57:22
Speaker 3: everywhere down there, this beautiful coral colored sand, right.
57:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
57:27
Speaker 3: Stuff is great until it's windy and it's blowing into
57:32
Speaker 3: a cage and blowing into the eyes of the fight teams.
57:38
Speaker 3: It was windy and people have legitimate like a windstorm
57:42
Speaker 3: whipping up sand and making the canvas all gritty and stuff.
57:45
Speaker 3: So oh man, So look, NHL players, they kind of
57:49
Speaker 3: want it that way because it's already cold and icy
57:52
Speaker 3: and whatever.
57:53
Speaker 4: But in the NBA, I don't think we're.
57:55
Speaker 6: Gonna get well And and Gordy brings up a good
57:57
Speaker 6: point about NFL too. In football fans love the sloppy
58:02
Speaker 6: Yeah once or twice a year, right, especially that the
58:05
Speaker 6: Ice Bowl type playoff game.
58:07
Speaker 4: Let's let's do it.
58:08
Speaker 6: NBA now a little too little too much of a
58:13
Speaker 6: little too much perfectionists for that.
58:15
Speaker 3: I'm actually really fascinated by the higher level you get
58:18
Speaker 3: to in sport, the less willing you are to deal
58:23
Speaker 3: with some of the variables in a lot of cases,
58:25
Speaker 3: like I believe Gordy when he says, no, the NBA
58:27
Speaker 3: is not going to do that.
58:28
Speaker 4: They're not going to play even a single black top
58:30
Speaker 4: game whatever. I mean.
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Speaker 3: European soccer players look at what goes on in the
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Speaker 3: MLS where guys have to play half their games on turf,
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Speaker 3: and they're like, absolutely not, no shot I would ever
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Speaker 3: play high level soccer, professional soccer, World Cup soccer on
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Speaker 3: a turf field.
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Speaker 4: Like to them, it is sacrilegious.
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Speaker 3: Never mind the fact like that, you know, people think
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Speaker 3: that certain injuries are related to certain turf conditions and
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Speaker 3: things like that. But high, high level guys they're just like, no, no,
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Speaker 3: I won't do that. In the NFL, you're starting to
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Speaker 3: hear a lot more of this ban the turf fields.
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Speaker 3: Every time someone tears an acl or hurts an achilles
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Speaker 3: or whatever, you get ten former players taking to their
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Speaker 3: Twitter and say, get rid of turf fields. This is
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Speaker 3: a multi multi billion dollar industry. Make them all grass
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Speaker 3: and then of course when the grass is bad, then
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Speaker 3: they're mad that it's not a turf field. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: it's really interesting how playoff surfaces, playing surfaces matter except
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Speaker 3: NHL players for one game, they want to play out
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Speaker 3: doors and they want it to be a little bit ugly.
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Speaker 3: Winter Classic is coming to Utah. We got to get
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Speaker 3: back into the NBA discussion. Gordy Chase is here. He's
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Speaker 3: got his list still to come, plenty left to talk
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Speaker 3: about with our resident NBA guru, Gordy. It's a Sean
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Speaker 6: He's here with us for an hour today. We got
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Speaker 6: about twenty more minutes with Gordy.
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Speaker 3: Then we'll get to the Daily Dump, a wild polpourri
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Speaker 3: of stories, including an NFL conspiracy theory in nineteen minutes.
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Speaker 3: I'm very much looking forward to this because it involves
1:00:29
Speaker 3: my Niners, Gordy. There was a trade yesterday in the NBA,
1:00:34
Speaker 3: and not an insignificant one. Spence Checkets was joking that
1:00:38
Speaker 3: for the first time ever, someone listed their preferred trade
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Speaker 3: destination as the Washington Wizards because that's where Trey Young
1:00:44
Speaker 3: wanted to be.
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Speaker 4: And that's what happened.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, very much yesterday for the listeners through reinforced things
1:00:50
Speaker 8: that Trey Young, who is an All Star player drafted
1:00:54
Speaker 8: by the Atlantahawks's original team, was traded to the Washington
1:00:58
Speaker 8: Wizards where he sought it out.
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Speaker 4: And what that did.
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Speaker 7: What that does?
1:01:02
Speaker 8: It gives the Wizards absolutely a scoring point guard that
1:01:07
Speaker 8: can also assist and he wants to be there in
1:01:11
Speaker 8: Washington and his contract is not modest, but it's certainty
1:01:16
Speaker 8: it's this year plus next year. So even it doesn't
1:01:19
Speaker 8: work out for the Wizards is that they know that
1:01:21
Speaker 8: they only have them for basically a year and three quarters.
1:01:25
Speaker 8: So that's that was part of it, and that we
1:01:28
Speaker 8: make so interesting in the trade is that they're both
1:01:30
Speaker 8: teams in the same division. So it's really it's really
1:01:33
Speaker 8: interesting that both teams in the same division made a trade.
1:01:37
Speaker 8: The Wizards started out really unbelievable slow. They started at
1:01:41
Speaker 8: three and twenty and now the last twelve games are
1:01:43
Speaker 8: seven and five. And so the Wizards is that they've
1:01:48
Speaker 8: had seven straight losing seasons, so since from twy eighteen
1:01:53
Speaker 8: twenty twenty five, they've had a losing season the seasons,
1:01:58
Speaker 8: so they know that they've got to try to do
1:02:00
Speaker 8: something to improve at least show the fan base that
1:02:03
Speaker 8: they're getting better. That's part of it. That's the reason
1:02:05
Speaker 8: why I did that. Now from the lean of Hawk's
1:02:08
Speaker 8: point of view, it wasn't working out with Trey Young.
1:02:11
Speaker 8: They had him there, it wasn't it's contract. They then
1:02:15
Speaker 8: that they've been up and down. As far as we
1:02:17
Speaker 8: love them, we don't like them. They move them on.
1:02:20
Speaker 8: So now they get they get Jy McCollum on a
1:02:23
Speaker 8: one year contract. It makes thirty point six thirty point
1:02:26
Speaker 8: six million. He's a twenty point scorer aged thirty four,
1:02:30
Speaker 8: thirteenth season in the NBA. Again the certainty that probably
1:02:35
Speaker 8: won't be there after this season, so they get his
1:02:38
Speaker 8: money for next year as far as it do over.
1:02:40
Speaker 8: But they did add Corey kesper former Gonzaga player thirty
1:02:44
Speaker 8: nine point five percent from threes. His contract, again is modest.
1:02:48
Speaker 8: It's a middle of his contract, four years, fifty four million,
1:02:52
Speaker 8: so it's roughly it's roughly twelve thirteen million dollars a year,
1:02:55
Speaker 8: so it's doable. Now that the Hawks point of view,
1:02:59
Speaker 8: they haven't made the player in two years since they're
1:03:01
Speaker 8: twenty twenty three, and that they have a guest of
1:03:04
Speaker 8: young tarrent, young talented performers, and they're saying without saying it,
1:03:09
Speaker 8: that they want to move off, move on from Trey
1:03:12
Speaker 8: Young because now their new star player is Jalen Johnson,
1:03:15
Speaker 8: who's very good, who should be voted the most improved
1:03:18
Speaker 8: player in the NBA this year, and Dyson Daniels, Zachary
1:03:22
Speaker 8: Ushat say they have and also they have a lot
1:03:25
Speaker 8: of other young players former Jasman Nicole Alexander Walker. And
1:03:30
Speaker 8: so they did that because they think that they have
1:03:34
Speaker 8: other young talented people that they want to showcase as
1:03:38
Speaker 8: they go forward. So the trade makes sense of boat teams. Now,
1:03:42
Speaker 8: what about some other Here's some other guys that could
1:03:44
Speaker 8: be in the trading as far as and the deadline
1:03:47
Speaker 8: member now is February fifth, so it's roughly a month
1:03:51
Speaker 8: from now. Here's some guys are also could be traded
1:03:53
Speaker 8: from the Warriors, Johnathan Kaminga from the Nets, Michael Porter Jr.
1:03:59
Speaker 7: From the King, Zach Levine from the.
1:04:01
Speaker 8: Bucks, former Utah player Kyle Kuzma playing tonight in delta center,
1:04:07
Speaker 8: Clay Thompson from the MAVs, Nick Clayton from the from
1:04:11
Speaker 8: the Nets, Daniel Gefford playing tonight delta center from the
1:04:15
Speaker 8: from the MAVs. Nicole Nikola Vucevich from the Bulls could
1:04:21
Speaker 8: be traded. Anthony Davis, Yes, could be traded to an
1:04:25
Speaker 8: elite team possibly also in Jazz basketball, it's possible showing
1:04:30
Speaker 8: that Jazz are trying to will make a trade future
1:04:33
Speaker 8: out Future cast Out involving Kyle Anderson, George Niyang. Last
1:04:38
Speaker 8: two names I'm gonna mention everybody wants Clint Capella if
1:04:42
Speaker 8: I'm the boss, and Celtics they've overachieved. There's no Jason Tatum,
1:04:45
Speaker 8: they have no centers. If I'm if I'm if I'm
1:04:48
Speaker 8: the Celtics, I'm trying to get my team. Clint Capella,
1:04:52
Speaker 8: who's on a Rouston Rockets right now, playing playing behind
1:04:55
Speaker 8: Chagoon and playing behind Steven Adams. He hardly plays, but
1:04:59
Speaker 8: on the Celti play and the less name would be
1:05:02
Speaker 8: is going to be Jeremiah Grant from the Port and
1:05:04
Speaker 8: Trail Blass. These guys are all in play as far
1:05:08
Speaker 8: as either moving their contracts or teams want them to
1:05:12
Speaker 8: come off the bench, and a few guys as far
1:05:14
Speaker 8: as starting.
1:05:16
Speaker 6: Jiannis's name is always involved with trade rumors, and he
1:05:20
Speaker 6: was asked about it.
1:05:20
Speaker 3: He said, I would never demand a trade. It's not
1:05:22
Speaker 3: my nature. I'm not the one in charge. His comments
1:05:27
Speaker 3: reflect a really interesting, i would say, almost refreshing mindset,
1:05:33
Speaker 3: and he was like, I'm my job is to play basketball.
1:05:37
Speaker 6: I'm an employee. Do you believe Jannis when he says
1:05:41
Speaker 6: I would never demand a trade?
1:05:44
Speaker 9: No?
1:05:45
Speaker 8: No, his agent is dope. Sure, yeah, so you're saying
1:05:48
Speaker 8: the right things. I get it, which I understand, and
1:05:51
Speaker 8: that he did. He respects the process, but his agent.
1:05:54
Speaker 8: Your job as an agent is to do what's best
1:05:57
Speaker 8: for my client. Hey Giannis is an elite player. He
1:06:00
Speaker 8: gets exposed in the playoffs by his lack of shooting,
1:06:04
Speaker 8: not his scoring. I know he's an average thirty three game,
1:06:07
Speaker 8: I get it, eleven rebounds, I understand it, and get
1:06:10
Speaker 8: a lot of assist But when it's crunch time, Sean,
1:06:13
Speaker 8: he can't make a foul shot historically, and the defense
1:06:16
Speaker 8: backs off him and dares them to shoot that shot.
1:06:19
Speaker 8: Hey Giannis's contract this year fifty four point one million,
1:06:23
Speaker 8: next year fifty eight point four twenty seven to twenty
1:06:26
Speaker 8: eight sixty two point seven million. So they've got to
1:06:30
Speaker 8: find a team or trading partner's teams to fit his
1:06:34
Speaker 8: contract in. So it's gotta be you gotta move like
1:06:37
Speaker 8: other star players to involve. So it's unlikely. Last point
1:06:41
Speaker 8: about that in a trading deadline, everybody's talking, but only
1:06:45
Speaker 8: one thirty the teams a wide actively trading. The week
1:06:49
Speaker 8: of the NBA Draft in the third week of June,
1:06:53
Speaker 8: everyone's trying to trade. Everybody's trying to trade to trade
1:06:56
Speaker 8: up in the draft, which involves players presently on your
1:06:58
Speaker 8: roster and angel first. The trade could be as far
1:07:02
Speaker 8: as go through actively after that. So right now only
1:07:05
Speaker 8: one thirty teams are trying to trade in general.
1:07:09
Speaker 6: Did you I don't like as such a simple word
1:07:14
Speaker 6: for it, But did you like in season trades when
1:07:17
Speaker 6: you were coaching?
1:07:20
Speaker 5: No?
1:07:21
Speaker 8: No, I don't, because you know it really it uproots
1:07:25
Speaker 8: you as far as the player, but also as far
1:07:28
Speaker 8: as your team. Is that generally speaking, the better teams
1:07:34
Speaker 8: don't make in season trades.
1:07:37
Speaker 7: They don't. They don't.
1:07:38
Speaker 8: They might add a player where a guy's lesser of
1:07:42
Speaker 8: his contract and he's a buyout option and the agent
1:07:46
Speaker 8: is very powerful, and suddenly that team has a roster
1:07:50
Speaker 8: spot purposely, and so that's the reason why that teams
1:07:53
Speaker 8: do that, where they they wait. The better teams wait
1:07:57
Speaker 8: and wait and wait until somebody has a opening rosters spot.
1:08:01
Speaker 8: So example, here's some of the teams right now sean
1:08:04
Speaker 8: have opened roster spot and most of them are playoff teams. Atlanta, Boston, Cleveland, Miami,
1:08:13
Speaker 8: New York, Orlando, Philadelphia, Toronto in the East. In the West, Denver, Houston, Clippers, Lakers, Minnesota,
1:08:26
Speaker 8: and Phoenix, meaning what that those teams have an open
1:08:29
Speaker 8: roster spot only fourteen under contract because they know that
1:08:33
Speaker 8: somebody might be out there. They're looking at certain players
1:08:36
Speaker 8: the lesser of their contract and that are out there.
1:08:39
Speaker 8: So for example, it's possible showing that CJ. McCollums got
1:08:43
Speaker 8: traded yesterday to Atlanta Hawks, but his lesser of his
1:08:46
Speaker 8: contracts up, and that they his agent might ask them
1:08:51
Speaker 8: the Atlanta Hawks please have a buy out of my
1:08:55
Speaker 8: client because he can get a better deal by a
1:08:57
Speaker 8: team that needs a point guard. Dramatic because someone just
1:09:01
Speaker 8: got hurt this last month. So in the NBA shown
1:09:05
Speaker 8: there's so many moving parts.
1:09:09
Speaker 3: I can't imagine how difficult it is to monitor who's
1:09:11
Speaker 3: available who you want to be available your own roster.
1:09:15
Speaker 3: I guess that's why the gms make the big bucks.
1:09:17
Speaker 8: And also more importantly besides that, is that it's the
1:09:21
Speaker 8: pro personnel people that their sole job is to monitor
1:09:25
Speaker 8: that and be head of the game. As I always say,
1:09:27
Speaker 8: don't tell me when someone's good after the good, tell
1:09:30
Speaker 8: me why a guy's going to be good on your team,
1:09:33
Speaker 8: and the reason why is that it's a fit. Often
1:09:36
Speaker 8: players are on the wrong team. So Curry Kispert, for example,
1:09:40
Speaker 8: from Gonzaga. He's a good shooter that he's limited as
1:09:43
Speaker 8: far as his ball skills, but if you give him
1:09:46
Speaker 8: a screen, he can make an open jump shot. And defensively,
1:09:49
Speaker 8: even though he's a half step slow, he does try
1:09:52
Speaker 8: to compete, and so on a team that executes as
1:09:56
Speaker 8: far as offensively, he's a better fit.
1:09:59
Speaker 7: And with the Hawks, they try to execute.
1:10:01
Speaker 8: Atlanta Hawks, for example, Sean first in the NBA and assist,
1:10:06
Speaker 8: so that tells you they move the ball. And in
1:10:08
Speaker 8: jazz basketball, the Jazz are second and assist in the NBA.
1:10:11
Speaker 8: He imagine if the Jazz can correct some of those
1:10:13
Speaker 8: turnovers because the Jazz players are pass happy, led by
1:10:17
Speaker 8: Kant de George and the backup guard as far as
1:10:20
Speaker 8: Isaia Collia. So the Jazz are pointing in the right direction.
1:10:23
Speaker 8: They've got to correct it as far just as far
1:10:25
Speaker 8: as what they're trying to do. Here's the last point
1:10:29
Speaker 8: about trades. Remember these human beings. So everyone out there
1:10:33
Speaker 8: is saying, I don't feel sobbing. God makes thirty million
1:10:35
Speaker 8: dollars a year. I don't feel sorry for him. I
1:10:37
Speaker 8: wish I could be traded and make thirty million However,
1:10:40
Speaker 8: here's what happens is that he's human beings. So now
1:10:44
Speaker 8: here's the question to all NBA players, X will I
1:10:46
Speaker 8: fit in?
1:10:48
Speaker 7: Where do I live? Sean?
1:10:49
Speaker 8: I live in the hotel. Half a year on the road.
1:10:52
Speaker 8: Now I'm going from Atlanta to Washington, d C. I
1:10:56
Speaker 8: can live in a hotel. Now my young children, my
1:11:00
Speaker 8: greater and my first grader now are going to be
1:11:02
Speaker 8: behind right now. I'm gonna miss them and now different things. Also,
1:11:10
Speaker 8: I'm leaving some really good friends on this team. Who'll
1:11:12
Speaker 8: be my new best friend on the new team. And
1:11:15
Speaker 8: that's why it's so important leadership. So we always talk
1:11:18
Speaker 8: about when we did mate a few in season trades,
1:11:20
Speaker 8: the leaders step out, step up and make the people
1:11:24
Speaker 8: that you're traded to your team, make them feel what comfortable.
1:11:27
Speaker 7: And at home?
1:11:30
Speaker 4: What's the list today, Gordon?
1:11:32
Speaker 8: My list today, Sean. There's so much talk about people
1:11:36
Speaker 8: sitting out, Sean. This list is a powerful list of
1:11:41
Speaker 8: players that play consecutive games, the all time list. Here
1:11:45
Speaker 8: we go Baker's dozen of NBA players with the most
1:11:50
Speaker 8: consecutive games played. Most consecutive games played Bakers doesn't which
1:11:57
Speaker 8: we know means what thirteen because so I know shown
1:11:59
Speaker 8: you you love a dozen plus one having a croller
1:12:04
Speaker 8: on the side. I know that you love that all
1:12:07
Speaker 8: these guys are iron men. What are some attributes of
1:12:10
Speaker 8: consecutive games played? Strong physicality, two, mentally focused. Three their
1:12:17
Speaker 8: team driven of they're not feeling well with it, but
1:12:20
Speaker 8: it's possibly a sickness, but they drive through it. Four
1:12:24
Speaker 8: they make more gravity plays than airborne. And shown you
1:12:27
Speaker 8: and I talked about earlier today about players adjusting. They
1:12:31
Speaker 8: play more games on the games on the ground than
1:12:33
Speaker 8: the air. And the last point about this is luck.
1:12:36
Speaker 8: You've got to be lucky as far as not having
1:12:39
Speaker 8: a major injury during the streak. Here we go, Number
1:12:43
Speaker 8: thirteen all time most consecutive games played. He's ironically shown
1:12:47
Speaker 8: right now is a sports agent. Bj Armstrong played in
1:12:50
Speaker 8: five hundred and seventy seven games. Number twelve. Former Jazz man.
1:12:54
Speaker 8: I coached this guy for half a season. James Donaldson
1:12:58
Speaker 8: played in five hundred and consecutive games. Number eleven. He
1:13:02
Speaker 8: plays right now in the NBA. He's never missed an
1:13:06
Speaker 8: NBA game in eight seasons. Right now he plays for
1:13:10
Speaker 8: the New York Knicks. Right now, mckel bridges eleventh all
1:13:14
Speaker 8: time most games ever played consecutively with five ninety two
1:13:18
Speaker 8: number nine Jack Twyman and John Stockton. They both played
1:13:24
Speaker 8: in six hundred and nine straight games, and with John
1:13:27
Speaker 8: Stockton he only missed twenty two games in a brilliant
1:13:31
Speaker 8: nineteen year Koreer so six oh nine, Number eight.
1:13:35
Speaker 7: This is Sean.
1:13:36
Speaker 8: This is most underrated of all of them. Former utes
1:13:40
Speaker 8: Andre Miller is eighth all time in most consecutive games played.
1:13:46
Speaker 8: Andre played in six hundred and thirty two games. And
1:13:50
Speaker 8: think about his game, Sean, it was on the ground.
1:13:52
Speaker 8: He's a gravity player. Number seven. His nickname was the
1:13:56
Speaker 8: horse Harry, the Horse Gallaton. He played with Knickerbockers in
1:13:59
Speaker 8: an nineteen fifties and sixties. He played in six hundred
1:14:02
Speaker 8: eighty two games. Number six. This man always was fighting
1:14:07
Speaker 8: in a game. He always was a nembus, both on
1:14:09
Speaker 8: his team and the opposition. Bill Lambier is sixth all time.
1:14:13
Speaker 8: He played in six hundred and eighty five consecutive games.
1:14:16
Speaker 8: Number five. Dolph Schafs seven hundred and six, Number four.
1:14:21
Speaker 8: Last night's Jazz game against the Thunder. He was the
1:14:24
Speaker 8: voice the analyst of the Thunder. Michael Cage played in
1:14:28
Speaker 8: seven hundred and thirty six consecutive games.
1:14:32
Speaker 7: Number three.
1:14:33
Speaker 8: This guy was a forward teammate of Jerry Sloan with
1:14:36
Speaker 8: the Washington at that time of Bullets, when Jerry Sloan
1:14:40
Speaker 8: was a rookie. This guy was his last year in
1:14:42
Speaker 8: the NBA. Johnny red Kerr played in eight hundred and
1:14:45
Speaker 8: forty four games. Also, he was the first ever coach
1:14:48
Speaker 8: of the Phoenix Suns despension team. Number two all time
1:14:52
Speaker 8: Randy Smith. He played for the Buffalo Braves. We came
1:14:55
Speaker 8: also to La Clippers. He played in nine hundred and
1:14:58
Speaker 8: six games and in on. One player of all time
1:15:01
Speaker 8: to play in consecutive NBA games is Ac Green with
1:15:05
Speaker 8: one thousand, one hundred and ninety two. Quick note, what
1:15:11
Speaker 8: about rom Boon, the Jazz analyst presently right now, he's
1:15:15
Speaker 8: a friend of all of ours. Rom boone had a
1:15:18
Speaker 8: streak of one thousand and forty four one thousand and
1:15:21
Speaker 8: forty one consecutive games, including six hundred and sixty two
1:15:25
Speaker 8: in the ABA and three hundred and seventy nine games
1:15:29
Speaker 8: in the NBA. In the NBA, Wow, that's my list.
1:15:32
Speaker 8: But Sean, here's the last one baseball Oh yeah, cal Ripkin, this.
1:15:38
Speaker 4: Is this is one of those sports records that's never
1:15:40
Speaker 4: going to be broken.
1:15:41
Speaker 7: Right, It'll never be broken.
1:15:42
Speaker 8: And see what are you talking about his the metrics,
1:15:45
Speaker 8: cal Ripkin played in two thousand, six hundred and thirty
1:15:49
Speaker 8: two consecutive baseball games. Let's put it from a calendar
1:15:53
Speaker 8: from May thirtieth, nineteen eighty two through September nineteenth, nineteen
1:16:00
Speaker 8: ninety eight. He played in two thousand, six hundred and
1:16:04
Speaker 8: thirty two consecutive games.
1:16:06
Speaker 4: So AC Green and.
1:16:10
Speaker 8: Cal Ripken and in football shown, it's basically in football
1:16:14
Speaker 8: as far as positionally right now, it's what Brent faulp brev.
1:16:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a bunch of specialists, a punter, punter.
1:16:22
Speaker 3: There's a couple of long snappers, actually active long snappers
1:16:26
Speaker 3: that are top five. Brent Fahr played in two hundred
1:16:29
Speaker 3: and ninety nine games. And Jim Marshall, one of the
1:16:32
Speaker 3: members of the Purple People leaders, he played two hundred
1:16:35
Speaker 3: and eighty two games straight.
1:16:37
Speaker 4: That is insane for.
1:16:42
Speaker 3: A quarterback obviously, and for a defensive lineman to get
1:16:47
Speaker 3: to eighty two, that's pretty wild.
1:16:49
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And just take my basketball also showing the wear
1:16:52
Speaker 8: and tearing your body so many games in the NBA,
1:16:56
Speaker 8: so with Ac Green of doing that with one thousand,
1:16:59
Speaker 8: one ninety two, and again John Stockton so mentioned about
1:17:03
Speaker 8: John So even though John John had so many different
1:17:06
Speaker 8: streaks going for him, but he only missed eighteen games,
1:17:10
Speaker 8: probably twenty two games in nineteen seasons, so which meant
1:17:14
Speaker 8: that seventeen times during his career he played in every
1:17:19
Speaker 8: single game in the season. And he was a two
1:17:21
Speaker 8: way player. And it's so it might never happened again.
1:17:25
Speaker 8: As far as that, so mckel bridges. Presently, he's the
1:17:28
Speaker 8: he's the right now the guy. He's played in five
1:17:31
Speaker 8: hundred and ninety two consecutive games for both the Phoenix
1:17:35
Speaker 8: Suns and the New York Knicks, and he's never mist
1:17:37
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Speaker 8: I myself, I'm a slacker. I missed often games.
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Speaker 4: That's not true.
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Speaker 3: Gordon, Gordon's a man. Love talking to you. Thank you
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Speaker 3: for the basketball education once again, thanks for coming into.
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Speaker 7: Studio as well. Thanks Sean peace Out.
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Speaker 3: greatest questions in sports is how do you avoid injuries?
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Speaker 3: Because nothing can ruin a season faster than important players
1:19:23
Speaker 3: getting injured. Doesn't matter what sport we're talking about, individual sports,
1:19:29
Speaker 3: certainly team sports. How do you stop injuries or at
1:19:33
Speaker 3: least reduce the risk of injuries in order to maximize potential.
1:19:39
Speaker 3: We asked this question for Utah for two straight seasons.
1:19:42
Speaker 3: Stanford football went about four years in a row at
1:19:46
Speaker 3: the tail end of the David Shaw era where it
1:19:48
Speaker 3: was just bad, bad luck, Like, is there something in
1:19:50
Speaker 3: the water. Do we need to fire our strength and
1:19:52
Speaker 3: conditioning coach? What is happening here? The San Francisco forty
1:19:58
Speaker 3: nine ers have been plagued by injuries this year. Somehow
1:20:04
Speaker 3: they have overcome the rash of injuries again to their
1:20:08
Speaker 3: very best players, and they're in the playoffs. So maybe
1:20:14
Speaker 3: people naturally would like take less of a look at things.
1:20:16
Speaker 3: But I love myself a good conspiracy theory, and this
1:20:21
Speaker 3: is one that I'm gonna be paying close attention to
1:20:24
Speaker 3: moving forward. So, the San Francisco forty nine ers have
1:20:30
Speaker 3: a practice field that's like not quite immediately adjacent to
1:20:37
Speaker 3: but within walking distance of Levi Stadium down there in
1:20:42
Speaker 3: Santa Clara. It's it's it ain't no candlestick, okay, but
1:20:49
Speaker 3: it's a good stadium. It's a modern stadium. Players are
1:20:55
Speaker 3: starting to wonder. Conspiracists are starting to wonder. Folks around
1:21:02
Speaker 3: the team are starting to wonder if there's any credence
1:21:05
Speaker 3: to a particular report out there that the San Francisco
1:21:10
Speaker 3: forty nine ers decade long injury eponemic is not bad luck.
1:21:13
Speaker 3: It is not bad turf. It is not Kyle Shanahan
1:21:17
Speaker 3: practicing too hard. It is chronic electromagnetic field exposure EMF exposure.
1:21:25
Speaker 3: Because there's a massive electrical substation next to the team's
1:21:29
Speaker 3: practice facility, and apparently this is something that you can
1:21:33
Speaker 3: go measure, like you take a little Geiger counter thing
1:21:38
Speaker 3: to measure the electromagnetic waves.
1:21:41
Speaker 4: Ambient in our atmosphere.
1:21:43
Speaker 3: The closer you get to something like a large electromagnetic generator,
1:21:48
Speaker 3: you're gonna have more of these midichlorians in the atmosphere.
1:21:52
Speaker 6: You know, mediclorians. Yeah, see that star Wars, The Force
1:21:58
Speaker 6: use it. And the assertion in this.
1:22:02
Speaker 3: Research done by a guy named Peter Cowan, is that
1:22:07
Speaker 3: if you're constantly exposed to high electromagnetic forces out of normal, well,
1:22:16
Speaker 3: then the connective tissues in your body can be affected
1:22:20
Speaker 3: by that. Specifically, collagen breaks down under constant exposure to EMF,
1:22:27
Speaker 3: and that would cause more tendon and ligament injuries than
1:22:32
Speaker 3: is normal. So these players are like, wait, hold on
1:22:35
Speaker 3: a second. According to this research, the levels of electromagnetic
1:22:43
Speaker 3: exposure on the forty nine ers practice field, even the
1:22:46
Speaker 3: farthest reach from this substation, are ten times normal. So
1:22:54
Speaker 3: if that's where you're practicing, if you're practicing in a
1:22:57
Speaker 3: radioactive field, and you get a little radiation poisoning, this
1:23:01
Speaker 3: guy's like, why are we surprised by this? So now
1:23:03
Speaker 3: players are starting like an injured offensive lineman who's like
1:23:06
Speaker 3: a dude way down the roster. No one's ever even
1:23:09
Speaker 3: gonna know his name. He's never gonna get a start.
1:23:11
Speaker 3: He's like, no, dude. That is the reason. You can
1:23:14
Speaker 3: hear the buzzing from this electromagnetic field. You can hear
1:23:18
Speaker 3: this substation churning while we're like on the other side
1:23:22
Speaker 3: of the fence practicing. And now there's some concern, not
1:23:27
Speaker 3: among the entire organization, but at least with some players
1:23:31
Speaker 3: that they're like wait, is this a contributing factor?
1:23:35
Speaker 6: Is that the turf field or is it the EMF?
1:23:39
Speaker 6: What's the biggest what's the biggest cause of injury in
1:23:41
Speaker 6: the end.
1:23:41
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it sounds like a little crack pottish
1:23:46
Speaker 3: it does until you're like, well, hold on a second,
1:23:50
Speaker 3: if it's measurable, and if we know that prolonged exposure
1:23:57
Speaker 3: to electromagnetic fields is not good for human tissues, which,
1:24:01
Speaker 3: by the way, we do know because you'll notice like
1:24:05
Speaker 3: the massive distribution lines even here in the Salt Lake Valley,
1:24:09
Speaker 3: these huge, huge, huge power lines, right, there's this crazy
1:24:13
Speaker 3: amount of voltage running through them and stuff. You know what,
1:24:15
Speaker 3: They don't build under those things for the most part.
1:24:18
Speaker 3: Houses Now, there's multiple reasons for that. They want to
1:24:22
Speaker 3: have easy access to them for maintenance repairs and things
1:24:25
Speaker 3: like that. But it's not good for you to be
1:24:29
Speaker 3: exposed to that stuff all the time, to X rays,
1:24:35
Speaker 3: to radio waves, like too much of anything is a
1:24:39
Speaker 3: bad thing, right, So there's a reason they put that
1:24:42
Speaker 3: lead vest on you when they do the X rays
1:24:45
Speaker 3: on your teeth at the dentist. We know that invisible
1:24:50
Speaker 3: forces do have effects on human tissues. I'm not saying
1:24:53
Speaker 3: that this is the reason that the San Francisco forty
1:24:56
Speaker 3: nine Ers have had bad injury luck.
1:25:00
Speaker 4: But I am saying that it might be worth looking into.
1:25:03
Speaker 3: If we're talking about a multi billion dollar industry, and
1:25:06
Speaker 3: if you're the forty nine ers ownership, I mean, you're
1:25:09
Speaker 3: sinking this season alone. You're sinking like one hundred million
1:25:13
Speaker 3: dollars into players that are not playing right now. Between
1:25:17
Speaker 3: Fred Warner's contract and Bosa's contract and the time that
1:25:21
Speaker 3: brought perty missed and all that stuff, You're it'll missed
1:25:24
Speaker 3: a lot of time. It'll miss some time. Trent Williams
1:25:27
Speaker 3: got hurt for thankfully not for a long term. So
1:25:29
Speaker 3: it's like, again, people get hurt playing football. Okay, you're
1:25:34
Speaker 3: not ever going to be able to prevent that. But
1:25:36
Speaker 3: if there's a way that you cannot allow the collagen
1:25:39
Speaker 3: and people's bodies to break down because of where your
1:25:42
Speaker 3: practice facility is, you're probably going to do that as
1:25:44
Speaker 3: an NFL owner.
1:25:45
Speaker 6: So in other news, the magnets also fall off the
1:25:48
Speaker 6: fridge nearby. This it sounds season two stranger things to
1:25:53
Speaker 6: me here. Very Hey, you got this giant magnet close by,
1:25:59
Speaker 6: must must be rushed or was that season three must
1:26:02
Speaker 6: be Russians doing some doing some doing some stuff under
1:26:06
Speaker 6: the mall here. No, it sounds sci fi ish, but
1:26:11
Speaker 6: it's not completely without merit. Like you you are right,
1:26:17
Speaker 6: EMF X ray all that stuff. Those invisible forces can
1:26:21
Speaker 6: have negative effects on your body. It's a wild thing
1:26:24
Speaker 6: to point to to say, hey, that's why we're injured.
1:26:26
Speaker 6: Though it just feels wild.
1:26:29
Speaker 3: And look, I understand why people do it because if
1:26:32
Speaker 3: you're I mean, when Utah was going through their rash
1:26:35
Speaker 3: of injuries, how close are they to the doing a MF.
1:26:40
Speaker 3: The coaching staff would be like, look, we have looked
1:26:43
Speaker 3: at everything, we have done, the research, we have done,
1:26:46
Speaker 3: the science nutrition, the X rays coming from the Huntsman Hospital.
1:26:51
Speaker 6: You know they I'm sure they looked everywhere. Hey, this
1:26:55
Speaker 6: is the what building? What buildings are we close to.
1:26:59
Speaker 4: The side road.
1:27:00
Speaker 3: I watched the documentary on an airplane about this community,
1:27:04
Speaker 3: mostly Native American community, I can't remember what state it
1:27:07
Speaker 3: was in, where they just suddenly stopped having boys.
1:27:11
Speaker 4: All the babies born were girls, and they were just like,
1:27:14
Speaker 4: what the heck?
1:27:15
Speaker 6: There was like a like a six year span where
1:27:18
Speaker 6: not a single boy was born, and they're like, there
1:27:21
Speaker 6: must be something going on.
1:27:22
Speaker 4: There must be dozens, if not hundreds of babies in that.
1:27:25
Speaker 3: Six year span, and they were like, we got to
1:27:28
Speaker 3: look into this, and of course it ended up being
1:27:30
Speaker 3: a huge problematic thing. The long story short was that
1:27:35
Speaker 3: a pharmaceutical company had a plant nearby and there were
1:27:38
Speaker 3: some tailings rolling off into their water that can't be
1:27:43
Speaker 3: filtered out, and these these hormone, these hormone disrupting chemicals
1:27:50
Speaker 3: were in their drinking water at a molecular level that
1:27:53
Speaker 3: you couldn't just like filter out with your brit A pitcher. Yeah,
1:27:56
Speaker 3: and it was causing like all the male sperm to die.
1:28:05
Speaker 3: So they were like, oh uh, we don't have any boys.
1:28:09
Speaker 3: Like if you want to have a boy child, you
1:28:10
Speaker 3: have to move out of this community. Isn't that nuts?
1:28:13
Speaker 3: So entirely something in the water. Environmental factors do play
1:28:18
Speaker 3: a part in like overall health, and if you're if
1:28:22
Speaker 3: you're next to something all day every day, if you're
1:28:24
Speaker 3: we learned too late and the wrong way, that working
1:28:29
Speaker 3: with lead was bad for people, that working with mercury
1:28:32
Speaker 3: back in the day was bad for people, that.
1:28:35
Speaker 4: The popcorn ceiling has too much.
1:28:37
Speaker 3: Disputed, that the asbestos situation now have you ever done this?
1:28:41
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen someone do asbestos mitigation on a house?
1:28:45
Speaker 3: We remodeled. We remodeled our house and there was asbestos
1:28:47
Speaker 3: in our house. And it's like a specialized process.
1:28:51
Speaker 4: People.
1:28:51
Speaker 3: They have to come in in these hasthmat suits. You
1:28:53
Speaker 3: can't just throw it in the trash. You have to
1:28:55
Speaker 3: handle everything a little bit different.
1:28:57
Speaker 4: So like, look, is it pure science? We know for sure?
1:29:01
Speaker 5: I don't know.
1:29:02
Speaker 4: I am not.
1:29:02
Speaker 3: That's above my pay grade. But it's absolutely worth looking
1:29:05
Speaker 3: at whatever it is. If your team, you're very expensive,
1:29:11
Speaker 3: very high profile, very meaningful to your community, team is
1:29:15
Speaker 3: experiencing a higher rate of injury than is normal, you
1:29:19
Speaker 3: should be looking at everything that might be a contributing factor.
1:29:23
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and especially if you if you're like the Niners
1:29:26
Speaker 6: and you uniquely practice very close to.
1:29:31
Speaker 4: A substation like that, I doubt there's really you could
1:29:35
Speaker 4: look at.
1:29:35
Speaker 6: You remember we were talking with Gordy about the Jets
1:29:38
Speaker 6: not having any interception, their defense not getting any interceptions
1:29:41
Speaker 6: this year.
1:29:42
Speaker 4: It's like because your water.
1:29:44
Speaker 6: Comes from the East River, Yeah, you could you could
1:29:46
Speaker 6: probably look at And you said, I looked at the
1:29:50
Speaker 6: college football to see if there was any team that
1:29:52
Speaker 6: didn't and you couldn't even you couldn't even find a
1:29:54
Speaker 6: college football team fcs or FBS do that. So you
1:29:57
Speaker 6: could probably look at every college football team, every NFL team,
1:30:01
Speaker 6: and and you you might not find another one that
1:30:03
Speaker 6: practices this closely to a state, to a substation like that.
1:30:07
Speaker 3: Every every single person listening right now who remembers like
1:30:11
Speaker 3: playing little league baseball next to one of these electrical
1:30:15
Speaker 3: substations is like, that's that's why I didn't go pro.
1:30:17
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, there there's one that, come to think of it,
1:30:21
Speaker 6: Santa Clara, there's a there's a little league baseball field
1:30:24
Speaker 6: right next to a little power station.
1:30:28
Speaker 4: James, you don't know.
1:30:29
Speaker 6: That's first of all, that's why I only played right
1:30:32
Speaker 6: field for the last two innings, And that's why I
1:30:35
Speaker 6: didn't make it.
1:30:36
Speaker 4: Any farther than that. Never mind that the other that
1:30:39
Speaker 4: the other kids were good, That's why I stunk. Yeah, Hey,
1:30:43
Speaker 4: I got it. I got a game ball one time.
1:30:45
Speaker 4: It was my turn.
1:30:46
Speaker 6: All right, What can I blame my football failures on?
1:30:50
Speaker 6: I gotta find something. What's close to Jordan High? Yeah,
1:30:53
Speaker 6: Jordan High? Track tracks or tracks tracks runs right by?
1:30:58
Speaker 6: What's tracks?
1:30:59
Speaker 5: Do it?
1:30:59
Speaker 4: What's track submitting.
1:31:00
Speaker 3: Oh, electro magnetic EMF we call it. There's EMF fields
1:31:05
Speaker 3: around those tracks, trains and the lines that they run on.
1:31:08
Speaker 4: They're carrying them. They're carrying the waves from.
1:31:11
Speaker 6: My beloved, My beloved Jordan High School is the reason
1:31:15
Speaker 6: why I'm not in the NFL right now.
1:31:17
Speaker 4: You know, devastating it is for me to learn this.
1:31:19
Speaker 4: Shout out to the beat Diggers. This is terrible.
1:31:22
Speaker 3: James can't believe it all right, in all seriousness, I
1:31:29
Speaker 3: hope they figured out for the forty nine ers. I
1:31:31
Speaker 3: hope they figure out the injury thing for every athlete everywhere,
1:31:35
Speaker 3: because it is just obnoxious when your team, even when
1:31:39
Speaker 3: other teams are like, oh, yeah, we don't have our
1:31:41
Speaker 3: best guys, and then even if you beat them, it's diminished,
1:31:44
Speaker 3: and the opposite fan base is just like, we don't.
1:31:46
Speaker 4: Even have our guys.
1:31:47
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:31:48
Speaker 3: I was having a conversation yesterday about about BYU against
1:31:54
Speaker 3: Texas Tech and Utah against Texas Tech. Right, everyone in
1:31:59
Speaker 3: this state, regardless of who you root for, wishes you
1:32:03
Speaker 3: could get a mulligan on those games where your quarterback
1:32:08
Speaker 3: was hampered because you had running quarterbacks who couldn't run.
1:32:11
Speaker 6: In those games against Texas Tech. And you don't want
1:32:14
Speaker 6: to take anything away.
1:32:15
Speaker 3: From Texas Tech or offer any kind of excuse as
1:32:17
Speaker 3: to why you couldn't beat Texas Tech. But you also
1:32:20
Speaker 3: objectively can't look at those games and say it didn't
1:32:24
Speaker 3: affect the performances for either team. Bear Bachmeyer on one
1:32:28
Speaker 3: and a half legs is not what bear Bachmeyer should be.
1:32:31
Speaker 3: Devin dan Pier on one and a half legs is
1:32:33
Speaker 3: nowhere near what Devin Dampier could be. And if you
1:32:38
Speaker 3: had full strength operations against a team even as good
1:32:43
Speaker 3: as Texas Tech could have, would the outcome have been different?
1:32:46
Speaker 4: Maybe?
1:32:46
Speaker 3: Not, Would the score have been different almost certainly? Yes,
1:32:51
Speaker 3: whether you win it or not, who knows. But that's
1:32:56
Speaker 3: injuries are the absolute worst.
1:32:58
Speaker 4: Even if they're not.
1:33:00
Speaker 3: He's an ending, even if they're not, Like you got
1:33:02
Speaker 3: to get this guy out of the game.
1:33:04
Speaker 4: It's not good.
1:33:06
Speaker 6: See, I thought you were. I thought you were building
1:33:08
Speaker 6: up to the announcement that August is being retained and
1:33:16
Speaker 6: promoted to strength and conditioning.
1:33:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's called like director of Football Performance or something
1:33:22
Speaker 3: like that.
1:33:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, Greg Argust? Who Argus? Who was a you know,
1:33:28
Speaker 4: we'll take a break and we'll talk about this because.
1:33:31
Speaker 3: It's a great example of how coaching there's an authority
1:33:35
Speaker 3: attached to coaching that changes how people perceive you, and
1:33:39
Speaker 3: he's maybe the best example in my own life of it.
1:33:42
Speaker 4: So we'll get to that next on the Sean O'Connell Show.
1:33:44
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Speaker 4: All right.
1:34:30
Speaker 3: James mentioned this in our last segment here on the
1:34:33
Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show. Eric Weddle's gonna join us in about
1:34:36
Speaker 3: seven minutes. By the way, his reactions on the direction
1:34:40
Speaker 3: of Utah football under Morgan scally, the staff that Morgan
1:34:44
Speaker 3: has filled out, and all things Utah football. Will also
1:34:47
Speaker 3: talk a little college football playoff in NFL Playoffs with
1:34:51
Speaker 3: the Ute legend joining us in seven or so minutes.
1:34:55
Speaker 6: Uh.
1:34:55
Speaker 3: You keep getting these announcements of players either resigning their
1:34:58
Speaker 3: contracts with Utah coaches being extended. I mean, Michigan just
1:35:03
Speaker 3: put out the announcement yesterday that Jim Harding has been
1:35:06
Speaker 3: officially hired as the offensive line coach. I imagine they
1:35:09
Speaker 3: were probably negotiating getting paperwork done, and he finally officially
1:35:14
Speaker 3: signed the contract, so they put up the announced Had
1:35:17
Speaker 3: he even been officially announced.
1:35:20
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not paying that much attention to
1:35:22
Speaker 4: what Michigan is doing, but it just happened.
1:35:27
Speaker 3: And the expectation was that when Doug Elisiah left and
1:35:32
Speaker 3: went to Michigan again. He's a guy who's been the
1:35:35
Speaker 3: strength coach at the University of Utah since two thousand
1:35:38
Speaker 3: and six. The expectation locally was that Greg Argus, who's
1:35:44
Speaker 3: a long time assistant, would be elevated to the head
1:35:49
Speaker 3: of athletic performance for the football team. And I gotta
1:35:54
Speaker 3: tell you, I'm overjoyed for coach Argust. He is absolutely
1:35:58
Speaker 3: the man's been at Utah. I mean, you talk about
1:36:01
Speaker 3: Morgan Scally being a Utah man and a like in
1:36:05
Speaker 3: his blood type Utah man. Argus has been there almost
1:36:09
Speaker 3: as long as Morgan has. Argus was there, before Doug
1:36:11
Speaker 3: Elisia was there. Elisiah was brought in as the lead
1:36:16
Speaker 3: assistant to coach Johnson, who was only there for a
1:36:19
Speaker 3: year between Urban Myers, Matt Bayless strength program and Kyle
1:36:26
Speaker 3: Whittingham handing the reins to Doug Alisiah after one year
1:36:30
Speaker 3: with coach Johnson.
1:36:32
Speaker 4: I believe his name is Randy Johnson. Actually I'm not mistaken.
1:36:36
Speaker 3: Really, not that one watch out birds, not the seven
1:36:40
Speaker 3: foot tall pitcher.
1:36:42
Speaker 6: Who kills birds with his fastball. Yes, coaching, I hope
1:36:49
Speaker 6: kids still feel this way about it.
1:36:51
Speaker 3: I really do at kids, I mean the young men playing,
1:36:53
Speaker 3: because I imagine it's harder to maintain this dynamic than
1:36:56
Speaker 3: it ever was. But was you know, you're a walk
1:37:02
Speaker 3: on player in Urban Meers program. You're lifting at five
1:37:07
Speaker 3: thirty am okay? And Matt Bayless was an absolute lunatic
1:37:12
Speaker 3: who would come up with these insane workouts and it
1:37:15
Speaker 3: was him, And then he had a couple of interns
1:37:20
Speaker 3: who were wandering the weight room making sure that you
1:37:23
Speaker 3: were doing it and motivating you and screaming at you
1:37:25
Speaker 3: and doing your thing.
1:37:26
Speaker 4: And Argus was one of those guys.
1:37:28
Speaker 3: Right now, I didn't realize this until many, many years later,
1:37:34
Speaker 3: because he's always been coach artist.
1:37:36
Speaker 4: Right.
1:37:37
Speaker 3: He's literally like a year older than me. He's like
1:37:41
Speaker 3: a year and a half older than me. But he
1:37:44
Speaker 3: was a coach while I was a player, so it
1:37:48
Speaker 3: seemed like he was a decade older than me. He
1:37:51
Speaker 3: doesn't look that old, it's in great shape. But you
1:37:55
Speaker 3: just frame people differently in your mind when they're your coach.
1:38:00
Speaker 3: And I know that that dynamic has shifted pretty drastically
1:38:03
Speaker 3: and pro in college sports these days, especially pro sports,
1:38:06
Speaker 3: where like you've got NFL head coaches in their thirties.
1:38:10
Speaker 4: Now, who was it?
1:38:15
Speaker 3: McVeigh was like he was younger than like three guys
1:38:18
Speaker 3: on his team when he won the Super Bowl, Big Wit,
1:38:22
Speaker 3: the offensive tackle, Weddell. When he came out of retirement.
1:38:29
Speaker 3: I think one other guy on the team, maybe Stafford,
1:38:32
Speaker 3: is older to McVeigh. Yeah, I think that's actually true. Stafford,
1:38:38
Speaker 3: I think might be the only one that's older than McVeigh. Right,
1:38:40
Speaker 3: But it just changes you reframe somebody's sort of like
1:38:48
Speaker 3: I guess age but also status when the term coach
1:38:52
Speaker 3: is attached to him. And one of the weird quirks
1:38:54
Speaker 3: of this experience in my own life is coach Argus
1:38:57
Speaker 3: because I found out, I don't know, like five years ago,
1:39:01
Speaker 3: that he's only a year and a half older than
1:39:03
Speaker 3: me or something. It was like it was like I
1:39:05
Speaker 3: think during springball or something, or maybe one of the
1:39:08
Speaker 3: media bel Bilits was like, hey, happy birthday. I was like, oh,
1:39:10
Speaker 3: how old are you now? And he's like, I'm thirty seven.
1:39:13
Speaker 3: I was like, what, No, I'm thirty six. He's like, yeah,
1:39:16
Speaker 3: you're like, no, you're forty seven. Like when you're talking
1:39:19
Speaker 3: about you're forty seven, you're ten years older than me.
1:39:21
Speaker 3: You were my coach yelling at me to finish the
1:39:24
Speaker 3: bench press? Rap, what are you talking about? But yeah,
1:39:27
Speaker 3: it's that it's that like elevated position. It's that I
1:39:31
Speaker 3: have to look up to you. Yeah, whether I want
1:39:33
Speaker 3: to or begrudgingly. And in this case, it sounds like
1:39:36
Speaker 3: he was one that you wanted to look up to.
1:39:38
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:39:38
Speaker 6: No, he's a great dude. But the here's another great
1:39:41
Speaker 6: example of this. When Will Hardy was hired he was
1:39:44
Speaker 6: as the Utah Jazz head coach. He was thirty five,
1:39:47
Speaker 6: youngest head coach in the NBA, the one of one of,
1:39:50
Speaker 6: if not the youngest in NBA history. Guess who else
1:39:54
Speaker 6: was thirty five on the Utah Jazz Who would have
1:39:58
Speaker 6: been Mike Kahn, and he what he did would Will
1:40:04
Speaker 6: Hardy made it a point to as soon as he
1:40:06
Speaker 6: first talked as he met Mike Conley and had one
1:40:09
Speaker 6: of his first conversations with him is to say.
1:40:12
Speaker 4: I'm young year old.
1:40:14
Speaker 6: We're both like, we're both the same age, to try
1:40:18
Speaker 6: to play that psychological like, hey, you're not old, you
1:40:21
Speaker 6: play keep playing like you play like if if you're
1:40:26
Speaker 6: if we're the same age, how can you be old
1:40:28
Speaker 6: and I be young? You know that sort of thing.
1:40:30
Speaker 6: So that's something I think about a lot when we
1:40:33
Speaker 6: when we talk about this sort of thing, because it's
1:40:35
Speaker 6: like in the NBA, it's I think pro sports is
1:40:38
Speaker 6: a little bit different because sometimes coaches are a lot
1:40:41
Speaker 6: younger than the current players. But perception wise, we do
1:40:46
Speaker 6: have this like, oh, the coach is whatever age because
1:40:49
Speaker 6: that's whatever relatively that's old or young for a coach,
1:40:53
Speaker 6: and a player is whatever because that's relatively old or
1:40:57
Speaker 6: young for a player. It's like, no, like you're both
1:40:59
Speaker 6: the I.
1:41:01
Speaker 3: Think I'm more ageist than most people are you because
1:41:05
Speaker 3: and it's probably because I grew up in a very
1:41:07
Speaker 3: traditional household where like authority was just kind.
1:41:10
Speaker 6: Of like assumed I'm your mom, I'm your dad, you
1:41:13
Speaker 6: listen to me, you do what I say. Because of
1:41:15
Speaker 6: that aunts uncle's grandparents, you know, like people older than you.
1:41:19
Speaker 6: My parents were just like, that's your teacher.
1:41:21
Speaker 3: You do what they say, you know, Like, so everyone
1:41:23
Speaker 3: older than me, not like in my same cohort, I'm
1:41:26
Speaker 3: talking about, like significantly older than me.
1:41:29
Speaker 4: I just have always attached authority to that.
1:41:32
Speaker 3: And I remember, I mean throughout the course of my life,
1:41:34
Speaker 3: my career, it's always been really weird to me. Like
1:41:37
Speaker 3: the first time I got beat in a fight by
1:41:39
Speaker 3: someone younger than me, I was just like, what the
1:41:42
Speaker 3: heck that shouldn't happen. I should be better than them,
1:41:46
Speaker 3: because I've had more time in this I'm older than them,
1:41:49
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think it's I think
1:41:51
Speaker 3: I'm more ageist than most people. I would have a
1:41:54
Speaker 3: hard time with a boss that was younger than me.
1:41:57
Speaker 6: I mean right now, you don't, right now, for another hour,
1:42:00
Speaker 6: you don't that you don't, but but I mean, I
1:42:03
Speaker 6: now that you brought it up, how is that for you?
1:42:06
Speaker 4: James? That's why during the show, I'm probably easy for
1:42:09
Speaker 4: you to work with, and.
1:42:10
Speaker 6: Then as soon as the show ends, I become a
1:42:12
Speaker 6: complete jackass too.
1:42:14
Speaker 4: That's why, because I don't like having a boss younger
1:42:17
Speaker 4: than me. It's weird. I just just thought i'd address
1:42:19
Speaker 4: the elf in the room.
1:42:20
Speaker 3: When you find out, when you find out that's, you know,
1:42:23
Speaker 3: like some guy younger than you is massively successful in
1:42:27
Speaker 3: your same field. Just like what no Like, Noah Eagle
1:42:30
Speaker 3: drives me insane because he's like twenty six years old
1:42:34
Speaker 3: and already has the biggest jobs possible and broadcasting.
1:42:37
Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell nepotism? No, He's incredible. He
1:42:40
Speaker 6: is both, right, yeah. I mean that being Iron Eagle's
1:42:45
Speaker 6: son certainly helps, but he's also incredible, right.
1:42:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like how many guys want to be how many
1:42:52
Speaker 3: guys want to be the linebackers coach at the University
1:42:55
Speaker 3: of Michigan right now, and they're just like, oh man,
1:42:59
Speaker 3: this kid who just started coaching seven years ago got
1:43:03
Speaker 3: that job.
1:43:05
Speaker 4: I hate that I'm older than him. By the way,
1:43:08
Speaker 4: am I the only one?
1:43:08
Speaker 5: Am I?
1:43:09
Speaker 4: The only one out here?
1:43:10
Speaker 3: Are you listening right now and nodding your head and saying, yeah,
1:43:12
Speaker 3: I'm also agist?
1:43:14
Speaker 4: Or are you like, wow, this guy's a real age bigot.
1:43:17
Speaker 3: Let me know eight seven seven three five three zero
1:43:19
Speaker 3: seven hundred A great example of someone that through this
1:43:23
Speaker 3: like this is a problem for me, or it used
1:43:25
Speaker 3: to be. It's weird our next guest. I look up
1:43:27
Speaker 3: to this person immensely. He's younger than me. Eric Weddle
1:43:33
Speaker 3: is far more accomplished than everything he's ever tried to
1:43:35
Speaker 3: do than I will ever be.
1:43:37
Speaker 4: And he's like two years younger than me. It's weird.
1:43:40
Speaker 4: You just had a birthday too. Maybe we'll sing to him.
1:43:43
Speaker 3: Eric Weddle next on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven
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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety TWOEFM.
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Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell's Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN
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Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety two one half an.
1:44:03
Speaker 3: Joan O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety two to one FM,
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Speaker 3: and we welcome in the Utah Football Legends NFL Football
1:44:11
Speaker 3: Legend head coach of the Rancho, Bernardo Broncos, and a
1:44:15
Speaker 3: man who had a recent birthday, Eric Well on the show.
1:44:19
Speaker 4: A belated happy birthday, How are you, sir?
1:44:22
Speaker 5: My brother? Fantastic. Each year you can celebrate a birthday
1:44:28
Speaker 5: is a great day. Because the ladder, we don't want
1:44:32
Speaker 5: to do that. We don't. We don't want to be
1:44:33
Speaker 5: a part of the ladder where you're not celebrating so
1:44:36
Speaker 5: it's always a great day. Had spent time with friends
1:44:38
Speaker 5: and family, aw some great football and no better. We
1:44:43
Speaker 5: got five straight days. Is this probably the greatest five
1:44:45
Speaker 5: days stretch that we'll ever have with football, top notch
1:44:50
Speaker 5: football games Thursday to Monday. So excited as a fan,
1:44:55
Speaker 5: our utes are alive, and well as a proud dad.
1:44:59
Speaker 5: My son just found out he's Max Press All American
1:45:02
Speaker 5: back to back, so you know, well, kudos to him
1:45:06
Speaker 5: and good times, man, good times.
1:45:09
Speaker 3: Congratulations to Weddle the younger, that's awesome, glad to hear that.
1:45:14
Speaker 4: And to you as as dad and coach. I guess
1:45:17
Speaker 4: you have some influence on it, although the good.
1:45:19
Speaker 3: Genetics come from the good genetics come from your lovely wife,
1:45:22
Speaker 3: all right.
1:45:23
Speaker 9: No, no question, all right.
1:45:26
Speaker 3: So this week big week, obviously, Morgan Scalley had his
1:45:29
Speaker 3: official introductory press conference.
1:45:31
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've had time to go back and listen
1:45:34
Speaker 4: to it.
1:45:34
Speaker 3: If you're out there in your car right now, you
1:45:37
Speaker 3: can find at ESPN seven hundred, sports dot com or
1:45:39
Speaker 3: on the ESPN seven hundred app. We've got all forty
1:45:43
Speaker 3: ish minutes of Morgan scali the Q and A and
1:45:45
Speaker 3: all of that. And look, no surprise to me, I'm
1:45:48
Speaker 3: sure no surprise to you. He absolutely won the press conference,
1:45:52
Speaker 3: showed his character, showed his emotion, showed how much this
1:45:55
Speaker 3: job an opportunity means to him. But what were your thoughts, uh,
1:45:58
Speaker 3: seeing your guy officially get handed the reins of the program.
1:46:05
Speaker 5: Man, it was almost like a full circle moment for
1:46:09
Speaker 5: myself seeing a man that has such an impact on
1:46:14
Speaker 5: my life still does and to see dreams come true, right,
1:46:20
Speaker 5: like to see someone that has worked so hard and
1:46:24
Speaker 5: to work his way up right talked about that in
1:46:28
Speaker 5: his press conference, having every role imaginable throughout the last
1:46:32
Speaker 5: you know, eighteen nineteen years of being a part of
1:46:34
Speaker 5: the program, and you know, the uncertainty of college coaching
1:46:39
Speaker 5: and his guidance and his belief that kept him centered
1:46:45
Speaker 5: and kept him who he is. And it's just awesome
1:46:50
Speaker 5: for people to see Morgan how we all know him
1:46:52
Speaker 5: as right, just the captivating personality, the charisma, the hit factor,
1:46:59
Speaker 5: the passion, and it's sure as exciting. I know everyone
1:47:04
Speaker 5: can feel it around Salt Lake, around the university. We're
1:47:08
Speaker 5: in good hands. You know. He's been able to manage
1:47:13
Speaker 5: the the the uncertainty and the tough challenges that he
1:47:19
Speaker 5: had last couple of weeks, and he looked as straight
1:47:22
Speaker 5: in the face and didn't quiver, didn't run, went right
1:47:26
Speaker 5: through it, and man, I'm excited good times.
1:47:30
Speaker 4: Look.
1:47:31
Speaker 3: One of the great things about Morgan is that he
1:47:34
Speaker 3: is that dude. He's not going to be shy about
1:47:36
Speaker 3: taking on challenges and I appreciated that. In his press
1:47:39
Speaker 3: conference he mentioned and was just truthful about, Hey, I
1:47:44
Speaker 3: don't like losing guys at the transfer portal. I've you know,
1:47:47
Speaker 3: We've poured our effort and energy into these young men
1:47:50
Speaker 3: and so it's painful to see him go. But we're
1:47:52
Speaker 3: going to be just fine. And that is kind of
1:47:54
Speaker 3: the main thing right now that him and his assistants
1:47:57
Speaker 3: have to deal with. You got to try to retain
1:48:00
Speaker 3: the good talent that you have. You got to try
1:48:02
Speaker 3: and add some more talent out of the transfer portal.
1:48:04
Speaker 3: They're already doing both of those things. And he delivered
1:48:09
Speaker 3: a message that you have been talking about for a
1:48:11
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. Now, we want people who want to
1:48:14
Speaker 3: be here. So John Ohuhall resigned, Scooby Davis re signed,
1:48:18
Speaker 3: Jackson Benny made his announcement that he's coming back, and
1:48:22
Speaker 3: it feels like this roster is starting to take shape
1:48:24
Speaker 3: as anything jumped out to you.
1:48:27
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, listen, we've been talking about it
1:48:30
Speaker 5: in the way the land is and the opportunity that
1:48:34
Speaker 5: these kids have. Like, hey, if you feel that there's
1:48:38
Speaker 5: better opportunities and that we can't provide that for you
1:48:43
Speaker 5: here at a fair value and appreciate and value what
1:48:49
Speaker 5: we can bring outside of the dollar signs, then hey,
1:48:52
Speaker 5: good luck, and we'll find the next guy. That's the
1:48:56
Speaker 5: great thing about our program that we can develop. We
1:49:00
Speaker 5: can nourishment, uh, like, uh, you know, nourish the people
1:49:05
Speaker 5: that love our place and value what our program can bring.
1:49:08
Speaker 5: So I think in it, I think everyone's seeing it
1:49:12
Speaker 5: firsthand of guys get in the portal unexpectedly and hey,
1:49:18
Speaker 5: we just we just go after the next guy and
1:49:20
Speaker 5: the guys that will add value to our culture, to
1:49:24
Speaker 5: our program and and buy into what we're what we're
1:49:28
Speaker 5: doing here, because at the end of the day, Uh,
1:49:31
Speaker 5: there's players will come and go, the university will will
1:49:35
Speaker 5: be there long after you and I were playing. Or
1:49:38
Speaker 5: Morgan's the head coach and and this and that. So
1:49:41
Speaker 5: I love what he's doing. I love the staff that
1:49:43
Speaker 5: he's put together. And assembled great men, experienced coaches, guys
1:49:47
Speaker 5: that are going to work and grind for him and
1:49:49
Speaker 5: the university, and more importantly the players. And now what
1:49:54
Speaker 5: you're seeing, you're seeing the right guys come into our
1:49:56
Speaker 5: program that want to be here, the guys that want
1:49:58
Speaker 5: to stay U awesome. So I think, you know, I
1:50:02
Speaker 5: love I love coach with obviously, and anyone that thinks
1:50:06
Speaker 5: otherwise doesn't know me. But I think, honestly, I think
1:50:11
Speaker 5: we've upgraded. I think we've upgraded across the board. Lewis
1:50:15
Speaker 5: Powell obviously may take some time, but I think when
1:50:19
Speaker 5: you look at it and look at where we're going
1:50:22
Speaker 5: to be here in the next six months and then
1:50:24
Speaker 5: the years down the road, you look at this as
1:50:27
Speaker 5: being a moment in time where we upgraded in our program,
1:50:31
Speaker 5: continue to build off what Coach Wood did in twenty years.
1:50:34
Speaker 3: It's interesting to see the same reaction that we had
1:50:38
Speaker 3: a year ago when Jason Beck was hired.
1:50:40
Speaker 4: People were just like, oh, man, is this the right guy?
1:50:43
Speaker 3: And then of course he ended up being the right
1:50:45
Speaker 3: guy and mcgiven got that same treatment. A bunch of people,
1:50:48
Speaker 3: oh this is a little underwhelming, but Morgan explained it,
1:50:53
Speaker 3: and I love when defensive guys talk about why they
1:50:57
Speaker 3: value certain offenses and offensive coaches, and I love his
1:51:00
Speaker 3: explanation that you know that he makes it hard for
1:51:03
Speaker 3: you as a defensive coach to have to adjust to
1:51:05
Speaker 3: what he's doing. He's giving you all these crazy looks
1:51:07
Speaker 3: and motions, and that's part of what made Becks offense
1:51:11
Speaker 3: really good. Do you expect that, even though it's a
1:51:14
Speaker 3: new coordinator and there'll be some new personnel, do you
1:51:16
Speaker 3: expect that the play calling will be relatively similar to
1:51:19
Speaker 3: what we saw this year?
1:51:22
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean talking with Morgan, and Morgan had to
1:51:25
Speaker 5: reel me in because you know, I went on like
1:51:27
Speaker 5: a like a five day stretch of you know, trying
1:51:30
Speaker 5: to you know, I'm proud of my university and I
1:51:33
Speaker 5: love it, and you know, I just want to remind
1:51:35
Speaker 5: people that we're gonna be great and this is this
1:51:37
Speaker 5: place is amazing. And He's like, hey man, you gotta
1:51:39
Speaker 5: like you gotta like cool it down with all this
1:51:41
Speaker 5: stuff we're talking about, like you're letting too much information
1:51:43
Speaker 5: out of it. I was like, you're right, you're right.
1:51:46
Speaker 5: I got chill, Like I'm not even the media, so
1:51:48
Speaker 5: I got chill.
1:51:50
Speaker 9: So, uh, you know, I gotta I gotta pull back
1:51:53
Speaker 9: how much I say and whatnot nowadays, but uh, you
1:51:57
Speaker 9: know with with with what I say.
1:52:00
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, all the interviews he had with our
1:52:03
Speaker 5: offense coordinators, he came away, blown away and most impressed
1:52:07
Speaker 5: with uh what's his name again, the.
1:52:11
Speaker 9: Guy we just hired.
1:52:14
Speaker 5: Mcgiven? Sorry, yeah, uh and he you know, he he he.
1:52:19
Speaker 5: He peppered them with questions, with thoughts, with situations, and
1:52:22
Speaker 5: he had an answer for everything. So yes, I I
1:52:25
Speaker 5: think he had to have in mind what we did
1:52:28
Speaker 5: this past year. How do we uh correlate and integrate
1:52:32
Speaker 5: what we did with the success we had and also
1:52:35
Speaker 5: bring mcgiven system in wage is very similar with what
1:52:38
Speaker 5: we've taught as an offense, with the you know, the
1:52:41
Speaker 5: signals of lining up the up tempo, uh this and that.
1:52:45
Speaker 5: So that's gonna carry over. And I honestly I think,
1:52:49
Speaker 5: uh from from my you know, just researching coach McGibbon
1:52:54
Speaker 5: and where he's been at Santase State and Utah State
1:52:56
Speaker 5: and looking at his past offenses, I think we could
1:52:59
Speaker 5: be more explosives with a more of a downfill passing
1:53:03
Speaker 5: attack that he has shown in his past. I mean,
1:53:06
Speaker 5: the explosive in the production that he got in the
1:53:09
Speaker 5: passing game as soon as they say, is really what
1:53:11
Speaker 5: stood out. And being able to adapt and be creative
1:53:14
Speaker 5: and Taylor your offense to the players of what they
1:53:17
Speaker 5: do best is I think a strength of his. And
1:53:19
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, like you just and
1:53:23
Speaker 5: I said this multiple times, you have to trust Morgan
1:53:25
Speaker 5: and his decision and his vision for the program. Okay,
1:53:29
Speaker 5: and nobody knows offense is better than Morgan. So if
1:53:34
Speaker 5: he feels and thinks and believes that this is what's
1:53:36
Speaker 5: best for our program, then I'm all on board and
1:53:39
Speaker 5: can't wait to see it because I think you're gonna
1:53:42
Speaker 5: see a more open, fluid, aggressive team moving forward. And
1:53:48
Speaker 5: you kind of got a little a little sense of
1:53:51
Speaker 5: that in the bowl game, and hopefully moving forward you'll
1:53:54
Speaker 5: see more of then.
1:53:55
Speaker 3: Eric, what's our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
1:53:58
Speaker 3: talking about the new direction of Utah football under the
1:54:01
Speaker 3: head coach Morgan scally, the assistant staff has been filled
1:54:05
Speaker 3: out on both sides of the ball. I keep hearing
1:54:07
Speaker 3: that we might get a quarterback coach still announced, because
1:54:11
Speaker 3: given has worked with quarterbacks.
1:54:13
Speaker 4: But you don't have to be the coordinator and quarterbacks coach.
1:54:15
Speaker 3: There's plenty of room on the coaching roster to get
1:54:19
Speaker 3: people in those types of positions. You know before anyone
1:54:23
Speaker 3: did who was going to come in to coach. The
1:54:27
Speaker 3: safety is a position that you played, that Morgan played,
1:54:29
Speaker 3: and that is obviously massively important in this defense. And
1:54:32
Speaker 3: it's a former you two sport ute in fact, a
1:54:35
Speaker 3: guy who played here and coached here and coach you here.
1:54:39
Speaker 3: So tell the people why they should be excited about
1:54:42
Speaker 3: coach Odam coming back.
1:54:45
Speaker 5: Man. You know, Coach Odam and I are close obviously
1:54:49
Speaker 5: over the years, and you know he's he was at
1:54:53
Speaker 5: Satada State and obviously coming by the school January in
1:54:58
Speaker 5: May and see engage and obviously you know, keeping tabs
1:55:01
Speaker 5: on him and and uh, you know, so when he
1:55:05
Speaker 5: unfortunately got let go mid season, we just kind of
1:55:09
Speaker 5: stayed in touch and obviously a very very I I
1:55:15
Speaker 5: think of him in the one of the highest regards
1:55:16
Speaker 5: of some of the one of the best coaches I've had,
1:55:19
Speaker 5: and had a big impact on me of allowing me
1:55:22
Speaker 5: to grow as a as a player, as a leader,
1:55:27
Speaker 5: challenging me with what we do schematically and defensively, and
1:55:32
Speaker 5: really made it fun and really gave me a leg
1:55:35
Speaker 5: up when I got into the NFL. Just what he
1:55:38
Speaker 5: not just allowed me to do, but what he challenged
1:55:41
Speaker 5: me to do because he trusted me and he knew
1:55:43
Speaker 5: I could handle it, and he and he saw something
1:55:45
Speaker 5: in me that I needed to be pushed, needed to
1:55:47
Speaker 5: be challenged. So when Morgan officially got you know, taken
1:55:53
Speaker 5: took over, I just threw his name out there. I said, hey,
1:55:56
Speaker 5: here's a guy just you know, if you if you
1:55:59
Speaker 5: want to look into this, go right ahead. He's just
1:56:03
Speaker 5: done and he I already knew anyways of the names
1:56:06
Speaker 5: of who he wanted to interviewed it for that job.
1:56:09
Speaker 5: So a guy that knows our university, knows the standard
1:56:13
Speaker 5: played here, coached here, one of the best men I
1:56:16
Speaker 5: know leaders, brings value and I think he'll be a
1:56:20
Speaker 5: great asset the coach swan of his transition de coordinator
1:56:24
Speaker 5: of a guy that's done it, who could bring ideas,
1:56:26
Speaker 5: can help support him. So man talk about putting together
1:56:31
Speaker 5: an all star staff. I really believe that and know
1:56:35
Speaker 5: Coach Otain is going to do everything he can to
1:56:38
Speaker 5: make our program great.
1:56:40
Speaker 4: Jordan Gross is also back.
1:56:42
Speaker 3: You and I were texting about this as a possibility
1:56:44
Speaker 3: before it was officially announced, and obviously you were contemporaries
1:56:48
Speaker 3: in the NFL, like opposite sides of the ball. Give
1:56:53
Speaker 3: me your sense of his reputation in the NFL and
1:56:56
Speaker 3: how you think it translates when he's coaching this team.
1:57:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that guys that have been around the
1:57:05
Speaker 5: game that you just have, you just know, right, And
1:57:11
Speaker 5: I would say this coaching at the high school level
1:57:14
Speaker 5: prepares you more for college or NFL than any other level,
1:57:19
Speaker 5: if I'm being honest, because you're having to teach and
1:57:23
Speaker 5: coach and nurture young men that most times have no
1:57:27
Speaker 5: business doing what you're trying to tell them to do,
1:57:29
Speaker 5: and you're still trying to find ways to make it
1:57:32
Speaker 5: work and try to make them successful on and off
1:57:34
Speaker 5: the field. So for people that are trying to negate
1:57:40
Speaker 5: the impact Jordan's going to have doesn't have a clue.
1:57:43
Speaker 5: So we all know that Jordan's a superstar coach in
1:57:48
Speaker 5: the making, and the ones that know it believe it
1:57:52
Speaker 5: that we stand Tana and say, hey, man, I believe
1:57:54
Speaker 5: in you. I know your history, I know the knowledge
1:57:58
Speaker 5: of the game. I know how you teach and coach,
1:58:02
Speaker 5: and the fundamentals. I know how you are with kids.
1:58:05
Speaker 5: So it is a home run higher that we were
1:58:09
Speaker 5: able to get Jordan after losing probably the best soligning
1:58:13
Speaker 5: coach in the country. So yeah, is he gonna have
1:58:15
Speaker 5: things to figure out and recruiting this and that. Yeah,
1:58:17
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, the guy loves
1:58:19
Speaker 5: the university. Is he gonna work his tail off, and
1:58:23
Speaker 5: he's a professional, Okay, So those three things can't be denied.
1:58:28
Speaker 5: And then couple with the talent in the charisma and
1:58:32
Speaker 5: the personality of coaching the position and owning the room
1:58:35
Speaker 5: and owning the magnitude of players, and just like that situation,
1:58:43
Speaker 5: like when players look at Jordan, they're seeing, Holy smokes,
1:58:45
Speaker 5: this guy knows what he's talking about. He's a professional.
1:58:47
Speaker 5: He's an all pro. Okay, there's guys that just have it.
1:58:51
Speaker 5: So he's gonna be incredible. I'm so excited for him
1:58:55
Speaker 5: and his family and to watch our offensive line and
1:59:00
Speaker 5: offense as a whole continue our standard of being physical, nasty,
1:59:04
Speaker 5: controlling scrimmage. And he's going to continue that on I
1:59:07
Speaker 5: have no doubts.
1:59:09
Speaker 4: All right.
1:59:09
Speaker 3: I want to switch gears a little bit here to
1:59:11
Speaker 3: the NFL because the coaching carousel is a spinning and
1:59:16
Speaker 3: it's doing so rapidly.
1:59:18
Speaker 5: Quarterly, one fourth.
1:59:22
Speaker 3: Of the NFL is looking for coaches right now, including
1:59:25
Speaker 3: you know, a team you played for and had some
1:59:27
Speaker 3: great years with. And John Harbas spent eighteen years as
1:59:31
Speaker 3: the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. And if Tyler
1:59:34
Speaker 3: Lup makes a damn kick, then he's still the head
1:59:36
Speaker 3: coach of the Baltimore Ravens. But that's how thin the
1:59:40
Speaker 3: margins are in the National Football League. We'll start there.
1:59:44
Speaker 3: What was your reaction when you saw the news that
1:59:46
Speaker 3: Harbaugh was out? And what do you think the Ravens
1:59:48
Speaker 3: do next?
1:59:51
Speaker 5: Man, don't I don't know what they're going to do.
1:59:54
Speaker 5: It's not I mean, hearts is like you're talking about continuity,
1:59:59
Speaker 5: you're talking about consistency, you're talking about leadership. I mean
2:00:03
Speaker 5: a guy that is innovative and adapting, and I just
2:00:08
Speaker 5: don't know, like who you're gonna find that's better he's
2:00:12
Speaker 5: out there. I don't know.
2:00:13
Speaker 9: I don't know, Like.
2:00:15
Speaker 5: You know, when you know, it's like how much how
2:00:20
Speaker 5: much do I how much can I say? Right? You know,
2:00:23
Speaker 5: it's like the unfortunate part and and it trickles down
2:00:29
Speaker 5: to the high school level of and even earlier than that.
2:00:33
Speaker 5: Like you're allowing these kids to go wherever they want
2:00:37
Speaker 5: to transfer, to seek out different things, who's advising them,
2:00:41
Speaker 5: and the identity of football being a team sport and
2:00:46
Speaker 5: really working together and really like doing hard things and
2:00:49
Speaker 5: being coached hard, Like those days are getting long gone.
2:00:52
Speaker 5: So when you're allowing players to have that power per se,
2:00:59
Speaker 5: and then it gets all the way to the top
2:01:01
Speaker 5: where you allow players to have massive input on coaches
2:01:05
Speaker 5: and coaching hires, that's what you're gonna that's what you're
2:01:08
Speaker 5: gonna get. So uh, man, I know he's gonna he's
2:01:12
Speaker 5: gonna land on his seat, and I'm excited to see
2:01:14
Speaker 5: where he goes. But I don't I think I think
2:01:18
Speaker 5: maybe it change was needed. Maybe I don't know. But
2:01:21
Speaker 5: until you real back in the culture and real back
2:01:24
Speaker 5: in uh the standard of being a pro and what
2:01:28
Speaker 5: that entails for a lot of franchises, uh, you're gonna
2:01:31
Speaker 5: be mediocre because the great ones like I think of
2:01:36
Speaker 5: uh you know, the Rams, and I think it. Look
2:01:38
Speaker 5: at their culture and their one rule is beyond time
2:01:41
Speaker 5: and we not me, and and I know it for
2:01:44
Speaker 5: a fact that that's how it is, right, Like everyone
2:01:47
Speaker 5: works out, everyone rehabs, everyone's on time for me, and
2:01:49
Speaker 5: everyone's phones are away and that is the culture. That
2:01:52
Speaker 5: is the standard, that is the leadership from the top
2:01:55
Speaker 5: down right. And so I don't know if that's everywhere.
2:01:58
Speaker 5: You look at Mike Rabel and what he brought to
2:02:00
Speaker 5: the New England from a year to year and his standard, Yeah,
2:02:04
Speaker 5: he's got a standard. And I guarantee you everyone is
2:02:09
Speaker 5: known in that Tire building that we're all on the
2:02:11
Speaker 5: same page. We do everything the right way. And I
2:02:14
Speaker 5: think that holds weight. And I think over the course
2:02:16
Speaker 5: of time that if you skip steps in the process,
2:02:20
Speaker 5: if you allow certain individuals to do their own thing
2:02:23
Speaker 5: and not do win his ass as a top match programs,
2:02:27
Speaker 5: you're going to suffer.
2:02:28
Speaker 3: All Right, Someday there's going to be a phone call
2:02:30
Speaker 3: to Eric Weddle that, Hey, we want you to come
2:02:33
Speaker 3: coach this NFL team, or we want you to be
2:02:35
Speaker 3: the GM of this NFL team.
2:02:37
Speaker 4: Let's pretend that happens today.
2:02:39
Speaker 3: Right after you hang up with me, Hey, you got
2:02:42
Speaker 3: to choose one of these head coaching jobs. Ravens, Giants, Browns, Falcons, Dolphins, Cardinals, Titans, Raiders.
2:02:53
Speaker 3: Eric Weddle gets to be a head coach? Which one
2:02:55
Speaker 3: of these jobs? You can have any of them, which
2:02:57
Speaker 3: one you're going to take?
2:02:58
Speaker 5: Oh? Man, if I'm a head coach, coach or GM,
2:03:00
Speaker 5: because that's two different.
2:03:02
Speaker 3: Let's make you a head coach, because because that's what
2:03:04
Speaker 3: you are. Now you're a head You're a coach right now?
2:03:06
Speaker 11: Okay.
2:03:08
Speaker 5: I would say if I was a GM, I'd say
2:03:09
Speaker 5: the Raiders and I trade Crosby for multiple picks. I'd
2:03:12
Speaker 5: blow up the entire building and uh start over with
2:03:17
Speaker 5: multiple first round picks over the next three years and
2:03:19
Speaker 5: give me five years to turn that program. So I
2:03:21
Speaker 5: think the Raiders have maybe had the most work, but
2:03:24
Speaker 5: have some some ability to to turn that thing around
2:03:29
Speaker 5: maybe within a year or two. As a head coach,
2:03:32
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, h I think I would take the Giants.
2:03:39
Speaker 5: They got a good corps, they got a stud quarterback,
2:03:43
Speaker 5: They really have some stability before you know, the last
2:03:47
Speaker 5: few years with ownership and GM, I think I think
2:03:51
Speaker 5: showing as the GM has done, I think he's done
2:03:54
Speaker 5: a pretty good job and and adding talent, and they
2:03:58
Speaker 5: got a really good defense, So I would I would
2:04:01
Speaker 5: think that's the most desirable out of all of them,
2:04:03
Speaker 5: and then you could you know, Miami would be a second.
2:04:07
Speaker 5: But I'm I'm getting rid of Tua and starting over.
2:04:10
Speaker 5: So there's some some things that he got to manage
2:04:13
Speaker 5: with that daycabin in ninety nine million dead money if
2:04:16
Speaker 5: you cut him. So that's that hinders you for the
2:04:18
Speaker 5: next couple of years. So I don't know. I think
2:04:21
Speaker 5: the giants are the most most ready to make an
2:04:23
Speaker 5: impact right away.
2:04:25
Speaker 3: What uh, what job will you be better at? Because
2:04:27
Speaker 3: these jobs are going to cut your way eventually. Will
2:04:30
Speaker 3: you be a better GM or a better head coach?
2:04:35
Speaker 7: Shoot?
2:04:35
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you're you're a little hyping me
2:04:39
Speaker 5: up a little too much, like saying, how if I
2:04:42
Speaker 5: could even do those things?
2:04:43
Speaker 4: But don't do that. I don't know, don't give me
2:04:46
Speaker 4: false humility. I don't like that.
2:04:49
Speaker 3: You're a genuine person. You believe you could be a
2:04:52
Speaker 3: GM in in the NFL. You believe you could be
2:04:54
Speaker 3: a head coach in the NFL.
2:04:56
Speaker 6: Maybe not today, but I know Eric Hearts thinks he
2:04:59
Speaker 6: could do both of those jobs.
2:05:00
Speaker 5: Well, yes, yes, okay, you're right. I'm not gonna I'm
2:05:04
Speaker 5: not gonna sit here and blow smoke I do, uh Man,
2:05:08
Speaker 5: I think I think. I think at this point in
2:05:12
Speaker 5: my life, like energy, I think I need to be
2:05:15
Speaker 5: in the in the in the in the in the
2:05:17
Speaker 5: around the guys. I need to be in the in
2:05:20
Speaker 5: the mix. I think I had I could have the
2:05:22
Speaker 5: most impact of leading and and and keeping the guys
2:05:27
Speaker 5: together in direction and leadership and keeping the main thing
2:05:31
Speaker 5: the main thing. So I think right now, now, twenty
2:05:34
Speaker 5: years from now, obviously I think it would be GM
2:05:37
Speaker 5: role just because I'm old and but my eyes still
2:05:41
Speaker 5: work and I could put a put a good team together.
2:05:46
Speaker 3: Okay, what we got playoff games this weekend in college football.
2:05:51
Speaker 4: In the NFL.
2:05:52
Speaker 3: You mentioned it earlier. This is five straight days of
2:05:55
Speaker 3: absolutely glorious.
2:05:56
Speaker 5: Maybe let's go go pick'em's.
2:05:59
Speaker 3: Starting with the college football playoff game tonight. Ole Miss
2:06:04
Speaker 3: is handicapped in every way you can be. And uh,
2:06:08
Speaker 3: they're against a really tough Miami team. How do they
2:06:11
Speaker 3: think that one goes.
2:06:14
Speaker 5: Gosh, Miami is hot. They're like, they're like the NFL
2:06:17
Speaker 5: team that is riding like a four game winning streak
2:06:19
Speaker 5: into the playoffs and they just going to run like
2:06:22
Speaker 5: the Packers and the Giants and back in our Super
2:06:25
Speaker 5: Bowl runs, So I worry that and their D line
2:06:29
Speaker 5: and just their defenses. Who but I want ole Miss.
2:06:33
Speaker 5: I want ole Miss. It's the story, it's the stick
2:06:37
Speaker 5: it to Lane Kiffin. It's awesome for those players, and
2:06:41
Speaker 5: I just think it What greater story would it be
2:06:45
Speaker 5: if they end up winning the National Championship and rub
2:06:49
Speaker 5: it in Lane's face like it's got it's got the
2:06:51
Speaker 5: righting of the wall, right, Like I just I'm pulling
2:06:54
Speaker 5: for ole Miss, and I think they'll pull it off,
2:06:56
Speaker 5: even though I think Miami is gonna miss extremely tough out.
2:07:00
Speaker 4: Uh, Indiana, Oregon.
2:07:03
Speaker 5: I'm going Oregon. Uh, they lost by ten at home.
2:07:08
Speaker 5: I think they're a much better team. I think they
2:07:10
Speaker 5: are playing at a high level. I know I'm probably
2:07:14
Speaker 5: an outlier. Indiana's dang good man. They just shelacked Alabama
2:07:19
Speaker 5: and it wasn't even close. So guys, I think, like
2:07:22
Speaker 5: people like myself are still saying, are they really that good?
2:07:27
Speaker 5: And they may be? And I could be totally wrong,
2:07:30
Speaker 5: but I think Oregon's gonna full off the upset.
2:07:34
Speaker 4: All right?
2:07:35
Speaker 3: And then in the NFL weekend, Broncos are the number
2:07:38
Speaker 3: one seed, they get a buy. Seahawks are the NFC
2:07:40
Speaker 3: number one seed, they get a buye uh Steelers Texans
2:07:44
Speaker 3: who advances?
2:07:46
Speaker 9: I got this?
2:07:47
Speaker 5: Oh gods, I can't say it.
2:07:54
Speaker 9: Oh, I don't know.
2:07:56
Speaker 5: Like I go back to, like, gosh, the Texas are
2:07:59
Speaker 5: really good. I go on to Texans, even though my
2:08:03
Speaker 5: heart says the Steelers. I'm going Texans, all right.
2:08:05
Speaker 4: Houston is a three point favorite in that one. Jags Bills,
2:08:11
Speaker 4: I'm going Jags. Wow.
2:08:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, upset for you Jags at the higher seed. But
2:08:16
Speaker 3: Buffalo is the favorite in that one. That's uh, that's interesting.
2:08:21
Speaker 3: Why do you like the Jags over the Bills?
2:08:24
Speaker 5: Man? They're playing really good football right now. Lawrence is
2:08:28
Speaker 5: playing at a high clip. I think it's like fifteen
2:08:30
Speaker 5: to one over the last like throughout this winning streak. Touchdown,
2:08:33
Speaker 5: the interceptions, and when you're when you're when you're seeing
2:08:36
Speaker 5: the field, your quarterbacks playing at a high level, you're
2:08:39
Speaker 5: you're at home. The defense. Like, there's a lot to
2:08:43
Speaker 5: like about Jacksonville right now. Now. You have known playoffs,
2:08:47
Speaker 5: first time playoff coach, Bills have been there, they've done it.
2:08:51
Speaker 5: But I just I don't think the Bills are that good.
2:08:54
Speaker 5: And so I'm gonna hair on the side of the
2:08:57
Speaker 5: hot team at.
2:08:58
Speaker 4: Home Pats Chargers.
2:09:03
Speaker 5: I got the Patriots, but man, I wouldn't be surprised
2:09:07
Speaker 5: that somehow the Chargers win with that defense. Jesse Minter
2:09:10
Speaker 5: probably be a head coach in the cycle if he
2:09:13
Speaker 5: wants it. I'm not sure if he wants it or not.
2:09:18
Speaker 5: But it's hard to go against Pats at home night game.
2:09:21
Speaker 5: It's gonna be like ten degrees. Teams going across the
2:09:25
Speaker 5: country minus forty are like one in thirty nine. So
2:09:29
Speaker 5: it's not very good odds for the Chargers. But I
2:09:32
Speaker 5: want the Chargers, but I think the Pats are gonna win.
2:09:35
Speaker 4: And uh so, yeah, Pats all right over in the
2:09:39
Speaker 4: NFC Panthers, Rams, I already know who you're gonna pick here.
2:09:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rams all day, even though it's not you know,
2:09:47
Speaker 5: coach Everrow was with LA for a number of years
2:09:50
Speaker 5: knows how to defend Sean, so Seawn's gonna have to
2:09:53
Speaker 5: be on his game. They get horn back from which
2:09:56
Speaker 5: they didn't have the first time they played Who's this
2:09:58
Speaker 5: all pro Corner? They got secondary that this game's gonna
2:10:01
Speaker 5: be it's gonna be tight, So Rams, if they don't
2:10:04
Speaker 5: turn the ball over, they'll win. The game. Uh so
2:10:07
Speaker 5: that's that's basically what it comes down to. They should
2:10:09
Speaker 5: have won, but Stafford throw some bad picks and he
2:10:12
Speaker 5: knows that and he plays great. They win the game.
2:10:16
Speaker 4: Eagles Niners.
2:10:19
Speaker 5: Unfortunately for your Niners, your season is done. I man,
2:10:25
Speaker 5: I know that that Seattle game meant so much because
2:10:29
Speaker 5: I think if they get the week off, they get
2:10:32
Speaker 5: a home game, and all depends on matches. I think.
2:10:34
Speaker 5: I just think the Eagles is just a terrible matchup
2:10:36
Speaker 5: for him. Uh the way your offense is and their defense,
2:10:40
Speaker 5: their defensive front, I think they're gonna have a hard
2:10:44
Speaker 5: time putting up points and Eagles having a weaker rest,
2:10:48
Speaker 5: they're gonna be fresh. I just think it's I don't
2:10:51
Speaker 5: think it'll be close to him.
2:10:52
Speaker 4: Sorry, you love a good conspiracy theory, like I did.
2:10:55
Speaker 3: What do you have you read anything about this this
2:10:57
Speaker 3: Niners idea that their practice field is too close to
2:11:00
Speaker 3: that power substation and that is causing their soft tissues
2:11:04
Speaker 3: to break.
2:11:05
Speaker 5: Down, costing causing a bunch of injuries.
2:11:08
Speaker 9: Well, I don't, I don't.
2:11:10
Speaker 5: I don't want to debunk it, but there's definitely studies
2:11:14
Speaker 5: that are shown, like Bluetooth, and then you know those
2:11:18
Speaker 5: frequencies and that this, that and the other like messes
2:11:21
Speaker 5: with you. So I don't know, I doubt it, but
2:11:25
Speaker 5: uh it's kind of interesting that it's that close. Like, uh,
2:11:30
Speaker 5: you know, I saw that post too, so I don't
2:11:32
Speaker 5: know how truth it is, but you can't. Uh you know,
2:11:36
Speaker 5: maybe something to.
2:11:37
Speaker 4: Look into them, you never know.
2:11:41
Speaker 5: I got the Packers, Uh, Packers, even though they're not
2:11:45
Speaker 5: playing good football and love has been kind of ant
2:11:48
Speaker 5: this year. I gotta I gotta think that the coach
2:11:52
Speaker 5: will put a good game play together. They're proven every
2:11:55
Speaker 5: time you know, they've been in the playoffs, usually win
2:11:57
Speaker 5: one playoff game. Uh. So I like the I like
2:12:01
Speaker 5: the Packers on the road. They're a divisual game. They
2:12:03
Speaker 5: know each other. And I'm not trusting the Bears yet.
2:12:07
Speaker 5: I think they're your away in an amazing season. But
2:12:10
Speaker 5: their season is gonna be done, all right.
2:12:12
Speaker 3: You can revise your picks when we talk to you
2:12:16
Speaker 3: next week. But before the playoffs even start, the Super
2:12:18
Speaker 3: Bowl matchup.
2:12:19
Speaker 4: Is who.
2:12:23
Speaker 5: I got Rams Gosh, I'm gonna go Rams.
2:12:43
Speaker 8: Gosh.
2:12:43
Speaker 5: Can Jacksonville beat New England in New England? As a question,
2:12:47
Speaker 5: it's a big question because yeah, because that you know,
2:12:50
Speaker 5: that would be my pick because I think I don't
2:12:52
Speaker 5: think Denver is coming out. I think whoever plays Denver,
2:12:55
Speaker 5: whoever you know, winner of Jacksonville, New England. I got Rams,
2:13:00
Speaker 5: Jacksonville in the super Bowl.
2:13:03
Speaker 3: Jags all the way to the super Bowl. It's a
2:13:08
Speaker 3: bold pick, but that's why we love him.
2:13:10
Speaker 9: It might be one and done.
2:13:14
Speaker 4: That's fine. Both you never know, yeah, both crazy, Yeah,
2:13:19
Speaker 4: you never know.
2:13:20
Speaker 3: That's what the playoffs are about, all right, dude. I
2:13:22
Speaker 3: always appreciate your time. Happy birthday, belated. Are you forty
2:13:26
Speaker 3: or forty one?
2:13:26
Speaker 4: Now?
2:13:28
Speaker 5: Forty one? Baby? Forty one? Having him my prime yet? Ay,
2:13:33
Speaker 5: I'm coming man. Greatest year in my life will be
2:13:36
Speaker 5: this year, twenty twenty six.
2:13:38
Speaker 3: Most likely. Thanks dude. That's Eric Weddle, you tough football legend.
2:13:50
Speaker 3: He's got Jags Rams in the super Bowl.
2:13:55
Speaker 4: Seohn J.
2:13:56
Speaker 6: Roger next to break down tonight's college football playoff game
2:13:59
Speaker 6: on the show on O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety twofmh.
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Speaker 3: All right, college football playoff games tonight tomorrow. You can
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Speaker 4: Shahan Welcome back. How are you, sir?
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Speaker 11: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 4: It's always great to hear from you.
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Speaker 3: So tonight, You've got a weird underdog story that I
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Speaker 3: never thought I would call Old Miss like an underdog
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Speaker 3: I rooted for, But given the fact that their coaching
2:14:53
Speaker 3: staff has been decimated by Lane Kiffin's move and the
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Speaker 3: fact that these players have been abandoned, I find myself
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Speaker 3: I kind of hoping that they can pull this one off.
2:15:02
Speaker 3: It seems like nobody there in that coaching exchange really
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Speaker 3: believed they were even going to beat Georgia, and now
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Speaker 3: they have an opportunity to punch a ticket to the
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Speaker 3: National Championship Game.
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Speaker 4: Can Old Miss do it?
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Speaker 3: Given what they're up against, not only with Miami, but
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Speaker 3: with what they're missing from their own roster slash coaching staff.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think they can and you know, you look
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Speaker 11: at this match up against Miami obviously is going to
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Speaker 11: be a really good one and a different kind of
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Speaker 11: matchups certain than the first couple of weeks that they've had,
2:15:35
Speaker 11: because you know, the irony is this is that Old
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Speaker 11: Miss really hasn't thanked the defensive line like they're going
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Speaker 11: to see during their entire time in the SEC. But
2:15:44
Speaker 11: what that said, I mean, I think that there's a
2:15:46
Speaker 11: couple things that still work in their favor. One is,
2:15:49
Speaker 11: I mean, obviously, the emergence of quarterback Trinidad Chamblins has
2:15:51
Speaker 11: been so huge for this team. He made huge plays
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Speaker 11: down the stretch against Georgia and really has all season long.
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Speaker 11: The other thing, too, is that I was really impressed
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Speaker 11: actually with how much of their defense has come together,
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Speaker 11: including in that game against Georgia. If you think back
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Speaker 11: to the first Georgia game, it was their defensive early
2:16:09
Speaker 11: collapse down the stretch, I think, allowing nineteen points in
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Speaker 11: the last quarter and a half. So, look, this is
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Speaker 11: going to be a tough challenge, but certainly, I don't
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Speaker 11: think if there's anything about Miami that should scare Oldness
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Speaker 11: away at this point, this is going to be a
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Speaker 11: huge opportunity for them.
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Speaker 3: What is Miami's best chance here? You know, they have
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Speaker 3: great quarterback play. You mentioned that defensive line.
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Speaker 6: Mario Cristobal where those of us who spend time in
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Speaker 6: the Pac twelve world, I had some brushings with him
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Speaker 6: when he was up at Oregon.
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Speaker 4: What makes what makes Miami most dangerous in this game?
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Speaker 4: In your mind?
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Speaker 11: Well, Miami. I said this even heading into the playoff,
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Speaker 11: I feel like Miami might be the best trench team
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Speaker 11: in the entire college football playoff, and in that game
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Speaker 11: against Ohio State they proved it. Of course, Rubn being
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Speaker 11: in the key mesidor on that defensive line are the headliners.
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Speaker 11: But really their offensive line is kind of the unit
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Speaker 11: that I think has been the biggest advantage for them
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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty five. You know, you think back to
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Speaker 11: those last two games, they've been able to take them
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Speaker 11: over with their running game, especially Mark Flesher really being
2:17:15
Speaker 11: a breakout star for them. And I mean, again, like
2:17:19
Speaker 11: you said, with Carson bek when he's able to play
2:17:21
Speaker 11: in structure, he's really really special. And that was something
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Speaker 11: that at least for the first two and a half
2:17:28
Speaker 11: quarters of that game against Ohio State, they were able
2:17:31
Speaker 11: to do in a big way, and so I think
2:17:33
Speaker 11: that this is a big opportunity for them. To me,
2:17:36
Speaker 11: they're the favorite heading into this matchup tonight, and if
2:17:39
Speaker 11: they're able to really control the trenches, like this is
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Speaker 11: a team that absolutely can not only beat Old Miss,
2:17:45
Speaker 11: but can beat anybody in their way as well.
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Speaker 4: It's not tonight, but it is tomorrow. Oregon Indiana.
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Speaker 3: We get a rematch from earlier in the year, and
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Speaker 3: the Hoosiers looked really good in that one. Can Oregon
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Speaker 3: turn of tides.
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Speaker 11: This time, Yes, it's going to be a big opportunity
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Speaker 11: for them. I think that organ is definitely playing better
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Speaker 11: football than they were at that mid season point. But
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Speaker 11: you know, this Indiana team right now is just, I mean,
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Speaker 11: similarly playing kind of perfect football right now, right I mean,
2:18:17
Speaker 11: you look at that game against Alabama where they're able
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Speaker 11: to shut them down and essentially every single way, Oregon's
2:18:23
Speaker 11: going to be a lot better. Oh, Oregon creates a
2:18:25
Speaker 11: lot more advantages for themselves. But I think the big
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Speaker 11: question to them is can they create some explosives in
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Speaker 11: the passing game That was a huge issue in that
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Speaker 11: first matchup. They lose thirty to twenty, but by the way,
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Speaker 11: seven of those twenty points came on a pick six
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Speaker 11: as well. I think their defense is going to have
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Speaker 11: a decent time. It's really whether they're offense, which obviously
2:18:44
Speaker 11: has tons and tons of talent, can stretch the field
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Speaker 11: and make Indiana's job difficult. That wasn't able to happen
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Speaker 11: in that first game. I think it'll happen more in
2:18:54
Speaker 11: this second game. But I still give the advantage to
2:18:56
Speaker 11: the Hoosiers.
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Speaker 3: That's fun to discuss, but equally important, maybe more important
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Speaker 3: right now in the college football world. How is this
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Speaker 3: Demand Williams situation going to work out with Washington?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is this is fascinating. I think that you know,
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Speaker 11: last year, we had a situation with Xavier Lucas, a
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Speaker 11: Wisconsin defensive back who ultimately unenrolled and enrolled himself at
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Speaker 11: Miami even though he had signed a redshare contract. Well,
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Speaker 11: that happened essentially during kind of you know, a gray
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Speaker 11: area period because technically the house case hadn't started as yet.
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Speaker 11: This is going to be the first time that we
2:19:34
Speaker 11: have a truly high profile, you know, sort of enforcement
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Speaker 11: of this contract opportunity. And I think the other piece
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Speaker 11: of it, too, is that one is a quarterback. Two,
2:19:45
Speaker 11: I mean it's lane Ki Nannelosi allegedly involved in this.
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Speaker 11: And three, I think that if you're Washington, you kind
2:19:52
Speaker 11: of have no choice but to try to challenge this.
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Speaker 11: So I think this one's legitimately going to go all
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Speaker 11: the way. I think that it could go to court. Uh,
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Speaker 11: you know, we'll kind of see what it looks like. Now,
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Speaker 11: let's let's talk about sort of the different parts. Right
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Speaker 11: from one perspective, I don't think that they're going to
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Speaker 11: be able to prevent Demond Williams from going to ls
2:20:15
Speaker 11: I imagine that there's going to be probably some sort
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Speaker 11: of injunction to you know, to impact uh, you know,
2:20:22
Speaker 11: some part of this contract. But I don't think that
2:20:24
Speaker 11: ultimately Demond Williams is going to be prevented from going
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Speaker 11: to LSU. I expect them to play this year. I
2:20:29
Speaker 11: think that also the court will determine that if he does,
2:20:33
Speaker 11: you know, if he was forced to sit out, that
2:20:36
Speaker 11: would be irreparable harm. But the question is going to
2:20:39
Speaker 11: be this, Okay, what what is the timeline of all
2:20:41
Speaker 11: of this?
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 11: The other piece would be, you know, depending on the
2:20:45
Speaker 11: language in this contract in Reger and Nil, does Washington
2:20:50
Speaker 11: have some exclusive rights to compensate him. Does it impact
2:20:53
Speaker 11: Elsie's ability to compensate him either internally or externally with
2:20:58
Speaker 11: outside nil. That's going to be I think a huge
2:21:01
Speaker 11: question for this. And then long term, does this result
2:21:05
Speaker 11: in him having to pay some sort of damages or fines?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 11: The big thing is this is that when Wisconsin tried
2:21:13
Speaker 11: to enforce the Xavier Lucas situation, they went to Miami
2:21:17
Speaker 11: and basically tried to get them for camping. Well, here's
2:21:19
Speaker 11: the question, does Washington actually try to enforce it against
2:21:25
Speaker 11: demand Williams himself because he is the one who's breaking
2:21:29
Speaker 11: the contract. We haven't really seen an example at this
2:21:32
Speaker 11: point of a school going after an individual player, but
2:21:35
Speaker 11: this is probably as prime a situation that you're ever
2:21:37
Speaker 11: going to get to try it.
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Speaker 3: If the contracts are not enforceable, what are the implications
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Speaker 3: for college football If a guy can sign and four
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Speaker 3: days later he can change his mind and he can
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Speaker 3: go somewhere else. I mean, it feels like a kind
2:21:56
Speaker 3: of get off my lawn type of opinion. But also
2:21:59
Speaker 3: I genuinely don't know if these contracts don't actually mean anything,
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Speaker 3: if they're not worth more than the paper they're printed on.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what happens with college.
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Speaker 11: Football after that, No, I mean, I think it's completely unpalatable,
2:22:14
Speaker 11: to be frank. And the other thing too, is that, yeah,
2:22:17
Speaker 11: there's obviously the perspective of, well, you know what if
2:22:19
Speaker 11: players can leave two days after they sign a new contract,
2:22:22
Speaker 11: But there's also the perspective of, well, then our university
2:22:25
Speaker 11: is just going to decide not to pay guys like
2:22:28
Speaker 11: And then on top of that, it sort of brings
2:22:30
Speaker 11: up this bigger question of like, well, then what is
2:22:32
Speaker 11: a cap if there are no contracts? Technically, like, what
2:22:36
Speaker 11: does that even mean? Necessarily? I think that it's a
2:22:39
Speaker 11: really existential situation, and I'm very curious to see how
2:22:43
Speaker 11: the courts deal with it now. I think the other
2:22:46
Speaker 11: piece of this as well is that, you know, certainly
2:22:49
Speaker 11: there's sort of this short term flexibility of the players
2:22:52
Speaker 11: that they're benefiting from. Long term, it's going to be
2:22:55
Speaker 11: interesting to see. Okay, but you know, let's say that
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Speaker 11: this demand William, this thing happened, and they say, well,
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Speaker 11: you can't enforce this contract, and everything is you know,
2:23:03
Speaker 11: all of this is built on a you know, on
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Speaker 11: a house of cards, and none of it's really real.
2:23:09
Speaker 11: I think that also, if you're you know, a player advocate,
2:23:12
Speaker 11: you've also got to start to asking yourself, Okay, at
2:23:15
Speaker 11: what point does this become per se ridiculous enough that
2:23:20
Speaker 11: you know that Congress is spurred to act or you know,
2:23:23
Speaker 11: the executive branch is spurred to act, and maybe you
2:23:26
Speaker 11: get a much worse feel than you would have gotten
2:23:28
Speaker 11: in the first place. This is kind of like the
2:23:30
Speaker 11: other piece of all this. I mean, the reality is
2:23:32
Speaker 11: this is that nobody at this point really has much
2:23:34
Speaker 11: incentive to work with each other. And again, I mean,
2:23:38
Speaker 11: here's here's the deal, right, It's like there is no
2:23:42
Speaker 11: sports on the planet where players are perpetual free agents.
2:23:47
Speaker 11: But that's just that's not realistic. That's not how any
2:23:51
Speaker 11: of this works, right, And we're kind of reaching that
2:23:54
Speaker 11: moment in college athletics. And I do think that again,
2:23:58
Speaker 11: this is going to be a bliss we try to
2:24:00
Speaker 11: figure out what's next, but certainly what exists now is
2:24:04
Speaker 11: not palatable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be very fascinating to see how
2:24:09
Speaker 3: this one works out and what kind of precedent it
2:24:11
Speaker 3: sets for the entire industry, for the entire sport. And
2:24:15
Speaker 3: I can't say that I'm feeling optimistic about it, but
2:24:18
Speaker 3: I am happy that we have real football to watch tonight,
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and all weekend. I didn't ask you about Indiana
2:24:27
Speaker 3: and Kurt Signetti, so before I let you get out
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Speaker 3: of here, I want to do that. This is a
2:24:32
Speaker 3: guy who's done an unbelievable job at the college level.
2:24:36
Speaker 3: His name has been attached to at least a couple
2:24:39
Speaker 3: NFL openings, although it doesn't seem like he's a prime
2:24:42
Speaker 3: candidate for those, and it does appear that Indiana has
2:24:44
Speaker 3: prepared to do whatever it takes to incentivize him to stay.
2:24:49
Speaker 3: Do you think Kurt Signetti is really considering NFL jobs
2:24:51
Speaker 3: or NFL jobs really considering Kurt Signetti?
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Speaker 11: I mean, I think the NFL opportunities would be smart
2:24:59
Speaker 11: to take the tires on him. But you know, I mean,
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Speaker 11: I think that Kurt Signetti is very much a college
2:25:03
Speaker 11: football coach. And the other thing too, that you at
2:25:06
Speaker 11: least have to consider with the NFL is like, you know, yeah,
2:25:09
Speaker 11: obviously you flip over guys every one, two, three years,
2:25:13
Speaker 11: But you know, I think that also, like his age
2:25:16
Speaker 11: does start to become a factor when you're talking about
2:25:19
Speaker 11: somebody entering the NFL for the first time. I don't
2:25:22
Speaker 11: believe that he has any NFL experience at this point
2:25:25
Speaker 11: unless he had something very very early in his career,
2:25:28
Speaker 11: and so you know, you'd really be thrusting him into
2:25:31
Speaker 11: a brand new context at sixty six. And you know,
2:25:35
Speaker 11: I think that certainly he is a good enough coach
2:25:38
Speaker 11: that you consider it. But if you're the NFL, and
2:25:41
Speaker 11: if you're Kurt Signetti like, I don't know, it just
2:25:44
Speaker 11: makes a lot more sense to stay where you're at.
2:25:46
Speaker 11: He had the opportunity to go to any number of
2:25:49
Speaker 11: blue chip programs this season. I mean, he could have had,
2:25:53
Speaker 11: you know, LSU or Penn State or Michigan or any
2:25:55
Speaker 11: of these jobs if he really wanted them. He decided
2:25:58
Speaker 11: to stay at Indiana, and he'll be compensated very well
2:26:01
Speaker 11: for doing this. So I don't necessarily think that there's
2:26:04
Speaker 11: much there's much a realistic chance that you'll consider those
2:26:08
Speaker 11: outside opportunities. But there are only thirty two of those
2:26:11
Speaker 11: NFL jobs, And certainly, if you're Kurt Signettian, I mean,
2:26:14
Speaker 11: let's say you win a national championship this year, maybe
2:26:17
Speaker 11: kind of say, all right, well I did that. Maybe
2:26:20
Speaker 11: there's something else to try.
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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how it plays out. I can't believe
2:26:24
Speaker 3: we're getting this close to the end of this college
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Speaker 3: football season, Shahan. I appreciate your time again today. Hopefully
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Speaker 3: we'll talk again before that national championship game.
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Speaker 11: Sounds good. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3: Which NFL team failed to intercept the pass in twenty
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Speaker 3: Yeoman's work five thirty today College football playoff.
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Speaker 4: We will not do that.
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Speaker 10: You had on our guys, Sharon Shahan, Janja Rajah.
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Speaker 12: We had him on during Big twelve Media Day, Yes,
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Speaker 12: and it reminded me of something that I need to
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Speaker 12: bring back from Big twelve Media Day because I'm watching
2:30:18
Speaker 12: the CFP coverage this morning.
2:30:20
Speaker 10: Huh, I'm just as if not better looking than brockas Waller.
2:30:24
Speaker 4: Why are we doing this well?
2:30:25
Speaker 10: Because we never really came to a consensus.
2:30:27
Speaker 4: We all came to a consent.
2:30:29
Speaker 10: No, I'm consensus means everybody.
2:30:31
Speaker 12: And I'm watching Brock on the days, So I'm like,
2:30:33
Speaker 12: I remember our guy, Okay rolling out Big twelve Media Day,
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Speaker 12: like he's this big head Haun show hot shot correct
2:30:39
Speaker 12: and I'm measuring him up and down.
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Speaker 10: I'm like, all right, first of all, I could probably
2:30:42
Speaker 10: take him.
2:30:42
Speaker 12: Second of all, I'm I'm just I'm at least as
2:30:46
Speaker 12: good looking as brockass Waller.
2:30:48
Speaker 3: I'm sure there are people who think that, Yeah there
2:30:53
Speaker 3: is me, Yeah you do not. I think that there's
2:30:55
Speaker 3: eight people who who believes that.
2:30:57
Speaker 10: Has Scott and Mitchell ever dreamt about Brocos naked?
2:31:00
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
2:31:01
Speaker 3: Almost certainly, Yes, another six foot seven plus in quarterback?
2:31:08
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, now just watching the coverage and I just
2:31:11
Speaker 12: you know, all this radio stick that we do. I
2:31:13
Speaker 12: remember just bringing that to the table, and you were
2:31:14
Speaker 12: you were shocked that I had the call to say
2:31:16
Speaker 12: that out loud.
2:31:17
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
2:31:20
Speaker 3: You're not my cup of tea, but neither is Brocks.
2:31:22
Speaker 3: So okay, fair enough, that's probably unfair of me to
2:31:24
Speaker 3: make a judgment.
2:31:25
Speaker 12: I would just hope you could look at it in
2:31:27
Speaker 12: an unbiased way, because it felt like you were being
2:31:29
Speaker 12: biased towards the fact that he's sixty seven and a
2:31:31
Speaker 12: former college quarterback. I think he's actually six'. Eight So
2:31:34
Speaker 12: I'm i'm good five to eleven on a good. Day
2:31:36
Speaker 12: i'm tall enough to put six foot on dating. Apps
2:31:39
Speaker 12: and nobody blaking.
2:31:39
Speaker 4: Which of you weighs more than two hundred? Pounds that's no,
2:31:42
Speaker 4: QUESTION i.
2:31:42
Speaker 12: Know and Since i'm never going to weigh over two hundred.
2:31:45
Speaker 12: Pounds you are never going to respect me as a. Person,
2:31:48
Speaker 12: OH i respect you as a. Child, okay that's. What, Okay,
2:31:51
Speaker 12: well children are people, too. EXACTLY i love. KIDS i
2:31:55
Speaker 12: am as a fellow. Adult, okay, sorry all, Right well fair,
2:31:58
Speaker 12: ENOUGH i don't. MIND i DON'T i don't ever want
2:32:01
Speaker 12: to grow. UP i want to be The Peter Pan
2:32:02
Speaker 12: Sports Top.
2:32:03
Speaker 10: Radio that's. Great i'm all in, on old miss.
2:32:05
Speaker 3: Man, yeah it's weird BECAUSE i never ever ever THOUGHT
2:32:08
Speaker 3: i would look at ANY sec team in like a
2:32:11
Speaker 3: national competitive scenario and be, like those are the underdogs for.
2:32:16
Speaker 3: Me that's the tread. UPON i feel sorry for you franchise. Today,
2:32:21
Speaker 3: yeah AND i FIND i don't usually. CHEER i, MEAN
2:32:25
Speaker 3: i cheer for our local teams because it's better for our.
2:32:27
Speaker 3: Business but when it comes to this, Stuff i'm, like
2:32:29
Speaker 3: let let's just get a good. GAME i am, like
2:32:31
Speaker 3: for some reason all in on seeing these kids just
2:32:34
Speaker 3: stick it to their not just their former head. Coach
2:32:37
Speaker 3: there's like five coaches that have, left and it's a skeleton.
2:32:40
Speaker 3: CREW i don't you think they can get it? Done, like,
2:32:43
Speaker 3: truly do you think they have a legitimate? SHOT i
2:32:45
Speaker 3: do think they could win this. GAME i think it's
2:32:47
Speaker 3: gonna be. Tough BUT i also, like then what happens
2:32:49
Speaker 3: then the play caller who's here and it's the running
2:32:54
Speaker 3: backs coach or, something And Charlie West, Junior, like then they, say,
2:32:58
Speaker 3: hey we got we got to stick around for another eleven. Days,
2:33:03
Speaker 3: Lane he's not gonna allow, that which means they'll go
2:33:06
Speaker 3: into a national championship game with no offensive.
2:33:09
Speaker 12: Coordinator do you think there's a. SHOT i know that
2:33:12
Speaker 12: he's a vapid. HUMAN i know that he's dead. Inside
2:33:15
Speaker 12: you can just tell what he talks and talking About Lane,
2:33:17
Speaker 12: kiffin AND i know he has no empathy or grace
2:33:20
Speaker 12: or anything other than just being a cutthroat. Competitor if
2:33:23
Speaker 12: they're playing for a national, championship is there any chance he's, like,
2:33:27
Speaker 12: yeah you, guys go do.
2:33:28
Speaker 10: That we'll handle things around here for a. WHILE i
2:33:30
Speaker 10: don't think.
2:33:30
Speaker 5: So, wow that.
2:33:31
Speaker 10: Sucks they'll make me cheer for him even. More it's.
2:33:34
Speaker 3: INSANE i actually went down the rabbit hole of reading
2:33:38
Speaker 3: some of the message board, stuff the anecdotal stories now
2:33:42
Speaker 3: that he's Vacated, oxford to people like their encounters With
2:33:45
Speaker 3: Lane kiffin and the yoga, Studio like some of these
2:33:49
Speaker 3: things are hilarious and they're just, like oh, no he's
2:33:51
Speaker 3: like he's like a. Sociopath he only cares about. Football
2:33:55
Speaker 3: he doesn't care about anything. Else, yeah he can't interact
2:33:58
Speaker 3: with human.
2:33:59
Speaker 4: Beings and.
2:34:01
Speaker 3: My biggest gripe with, him aside from all of, that
2:34:04
Speaker 3: is THAT i hate how he moves his hand when he. Talks,
2:34:07
Speaker 3: yeah and it's just, like, oh, yeah you. Are you're
2:34:09
Speaker 3: a football android in a human. Shell yeah you're you're.
2:34:14
Speaker 3: That when when the man in, black when the giant
2:34:17
Speaker 3: cockroach puts on the, Skins, yeah that's.
2:34:19
Speaker 4: Him that's.
2:34:20
Speaker 10: Perfect He's.
2:34:20
Speaker 12: Edgar but for, Football Al davis warned us years, ago
2:34:24
Speaker 12: it's like this dude's a con.
2:34:25
Speaker 10: Artist he conned, Me he's going to con.
2:34:27
Speaker 9: You.
2:34:27
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:34:27
Speaker 3: Yeah it would be great to see the young man
2:34:31
Speaker 3: on that team be able to stick it to him
2:34:33
Speaker 3: forever by winning. SOMETHING i, mean they already have in
2:34:36
Speaker 3: my opinion to some, extent but to win a national
2:34:39
Speaker 3: championship and for him to be like WHAT i want
2:34:41
Speaker 3: to tell us you to win a national, championship it'd.
2:34:44
Speaker 12: Be, AWESOME i find myself. Really first of, ALL i
2:34:47
Speaker 12: think it's going to be a good. GAME a lot
2:34:49
Speaker 12: of money that's come in has come in On Old
2:34:51
Speaker 12: Miss uh And, miami you, know offensively hasn't been, great
2:34:57
Speaker 12: but Those miami's defensive line reminds me a text defense to.
2:35:00
Speaker 12: Line they're just they're. Lunatics they're, big like crazy. Athletes.
2:35:03
Speaker 3: Yeah The baine, Guy Ruben, Bain, yeah he's Like Aaron
2:35:07
Speaker 3: donald where he's not he doesn't have a belly on
2:35:10
Speaker 3: him and you're, like, oh that guy weighs he looks
2:35:13
Speaker 3: like he was about two hundred and forty, pounds and it's, like,
2:35:15
Speaker 3: no that guy weighs two hundred and eighty pounds and
2:35:17
Speaker 3: he has a six.
2:35:18
Speaker 10: Pack, yeah like eight. Percent body fan's.
2:35:20
Speaker 12: Terrified, yeah If old miss can, somehow you, know protect
2:35:23
Speaker 12: The chambers's, kid maybe they got a.
2:35:25
Speaker 10: SHOT i JUST i don't. KNOW i find myself pretty
2:35:27
Speaker 10: giddy ch cheering for them.
2:35:28
Speaker 12: Tonight but tonight's the start of what should be five
2:35:31
Speaker 12: straight days of really good football, games which will be
2:35:34
Speaker 12: nice to actually Watch gamestead of focus on the chaos
2:35:37
Speaker 12: surrounding the.
2:35:37
Speaker 3: Sport yeah, yeah. Yeah by the, WAY i ASKED. Sehanj
2:35:42
Speaker 3: rojer About Demand. Williams his agent has separated, him dropped,
2:35:47
Speaker 3: him just like we have philosophical. Differences you, know you
2:35:51
Speaker 3: know how scummy you gotta be to get an agent
2:35:54
Speaker 3: to be LIKE i can't handle.
2:35:55
Speaker 12: This, yeah, no they. ARE i can tell you from personal.
2:35:57
Speaker 12: Experience they're the worst of the. Worst and if you
2:36:01
Speaker 12: are dropped by an agent AND i actually applaud the
2:36:04
Speaker 12: move because there's more information is coming, Out it's like
2:36:08
Speaker 12: this kid went somewhat rogue with some bad advice from
2:36:11
Speaker 12: somebody in his inner. Circle and of course it Is
2:36:14
Speaker 12: Lane kiffin who's in his ear saying you're worth more
2:36:16
Speaker 12: than four. Mil and we've got five or six for
2:36:18
Speaker 12: you down. Here beat the, horse even though it has
2:36:24
Speaker 12: been dead for a.
2:36:24
Speaker 10: While you have to let them.
2:36:26
Speaker 12: Unionize you have to let them collectively, bargain and all
2:36:30
Speaker 12: of the red tape that people bring up can absolutely be.
2:36:32
Speaker 10: Traversed there's a reason why these.
2:36:35
Speaker 12: Contracts that are signed by professionals have to be honored
2:36:38
Speaker 12: because there's a players union and then there's a board
2:36:41
Speaker 12: of governors that collectively bargain for the betterment of the,
2:36:43
Speaker 12: sport and therefore you have to honor the contract that you.
2:36:46
Speaker 12: SIGNED i, mean how Many Trevor lawrence is making more
2:36:50
Speaker 12: money Than Josh. Allen right, now it's not Because Trevor
2:36:53
Speaker 12: lawrence is better Than Josh. Allen just the timing Of
2:36:55
Speaker 12: trevor's contract, lined and Once josh re signs, next he'll make.
2:36:58
Speaker 10: More it's. Cyclical that's how this.
2:37:00
Speaker 12: Works you can't sign a deal and then suddenly somebody
2:37:03
Speaker 12: else that you think is your peers making two million
2:37:05
Speaker 12: more dollars and you go back to the team and
2:37:06
Speaker 12: SAY i need to be paid like.
2:37:07
Speaker 10: That that's not how it.
2:37:09
Speaker 4: Works so but right now it is how it. Works RSUs.
2:37:12
Speaker 4: Bananas but my solution.
2:37:14
Speaker 10: Has been the same for five.
2:37:15
Speaker 12: Years as soon AS i saw this come, In, okay
2:37:17
Speaker 12: if we're going to do the pro model, thing lean into,
2:37:19
Speaker 12: it get it. Done and we're seeing the collateral damage
2:37:22
Speaker 12: of dragging your heels with that.
2:37:23
Speaker 6: STUFF i don't know how you unionize thirteen hundred people
2:37:27
Speaker 6: from different. Conferences it's going to be, very very. COMPLICATED
2:37:30
Speaker 6: i don't disagree with.
2:37:31
Speaker 3: You you have to collectively, bargain but you're not going
2:37:35
Speaker 3: to collectively bargain until a single super conference or two
2:37:39
Speaker 3: super conferences exist and it's just those whatever that is
2:37:44
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty guys instead of thirteen.
2:37:46
Speaker 10: Hundred, No, no that's the Mom i'm not saying.
2:37:48
Speaker 12: Everybody i'm saying you've got to go grab the forty
2:37:51
Speaker 12: to fifty programs you think are worth it and then
2:37:53
Speaker 12: just go do your own. THING i know that sounds cold, hearted,
2:37:56
Speaker 12: calculated and maybe a capitalist, mentality but that's that's the.
2:38:00
Speaker 10: Deal that's where we're.
2:38:01
Speaker 12: At and then you've got to figure out a way
2:38:03
Speaker 12: to maintain the ties to the, university because of course
2:38:05
Speaker 12: the athletic departments need revenue. Too i'm not saying it's,
2:38:08
Speaker 12: simple but, look what's happening right now is not, Working
2:38:11
Speaker 12: so go do the work and make sure this sport
2:38:14
Speaker 12: has more guardrails than it has right, now which is like.
2:38:16
Speaker 10: Zero it's.
2:38:19
Speaker 3: Fun, Well i'm, sure just like, yesterday there will be
2:38:21
Speaker 3: more transfer portal news WHEN i sign off And spend signs,
2:38:27
Speaker 3: on and then somebody will have resigned AT utah and
2:38:29
Speaker 3: somebody will have entered their name into the transfer. Portal
2:38:32
Speaker 3: so make sure you stay tuned for the. Drive thanks
2:38:34
Speaker 3: for listening to The sean O'Connell. Show we'll do it
2:38:37
Speaker 3: again tomorrow ON espn seven hundred and ninety two ONE.
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Speaker 4: Fm