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The Late Debate | 29 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, Welcome to wait, to place.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: I'm freh Leach, joined by Claire Rowe and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight. Anthony Albanezi is still refusing to call
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  Speaker 3: a Royal commission into the Bondai massacre, and his excuses
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  Speaker 3: are getting more and more desperate. Will break it down
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  Speaker 3: very soon. Plus, Labour's first nation's ambassador has wracked up
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  Speaker 3: an eye watering travel bill of close to half a
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  Speaker 3: million dollars. What has all this jet said he achieved? Well,
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  Speaker 3: no one seems to know. And when should stores start
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  Speaker 3: putting out hot cross buns? Well some have started on
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  Speaker 3: Boxing Day? Is that too early? We'll have our say.
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  Speaker 3: But First New South Wales Premier Chris Mins has not
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  Speaker 3: ruled out sending the army in to protect Sydney's Jewish community.
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  Speaker 4: Have a look, I'm not going to take anything off
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  Speaker 4: the table. It's not just about ensuring that we've got
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  Speaker 4: the firepower and the security on site to protect the
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  Speaker 4: Jewish community in the event of a terrorist activity. It's
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  Speaker 4: also so that the Jewish community can feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: This has been met with support from many rabbis in
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  Speaker 3: Sydney and Melbourne and I think Joe, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people in the Jewish community are feeling as though as
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  Speaker 3: drastic as it seems. Sitting in the army, you may
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  Speaker 3: never think that in Australia any group of people would
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  Speaker 3: have to be protected by the army. But the police
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  Speaker 3: are under resourced. Clearly their security has not been taken
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  Speaker 3: seriously enough. Could this be the point our country has
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  Speaker 3: reached where you need the army defending schools, synagogues, community events.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, quite possibly.
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  Speaker 5: I mean the last time deploying the army was seriously
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  Speaker 5: raised as a possibility was of course, during the link
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  Speaker 5: Kafe siege, so another act of terrorism. In this case,
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  Speaker 5: it was the army having their particular expertise to be
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  Speaker 5: able to.
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  Speaker 1: Take out a terrorist threat.
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  Speaker 5: As opposed to sort of an ongoing sort of security role.
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  Speaker 5: But it's interesting that both of these triggers for the army,
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  Speaker 5: but which would be close to unprecedented, not entirely but
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  Speaker 5: extremely extremely rare, has been a terror attack. The other thing,
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  Speaker 5: of course, is and hasn't been talked about that much
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  Speaker 5: in the wake of the Bondi terror attack. We know,
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  Speaker 5: of course, for example, there were three relatively junior police
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  Speaker 5: officers on patrol in BONDI I think two of them
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  Speaker 5: had less than two years experience between them. That is
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily just wilful neglect on the part of New
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  Speaker 5: South Wales Police. And it's emerged that, of course they
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  Speaker 5: got a warning from the Jewish security groups that this
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  Speaker 5: was a real high risk event, and you would think
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  Speaker 5: that anyone actually just looking at it would be able
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  Speaker 5: to sort of figure that out and think, holy crap,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we know already there's a proper rating of
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  Speaker 5: a terrorist attack.
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  Speaker 1: We know that there are going to be.
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  Speaker 5: Heaps of Jews celebrating very visibly in the open air,
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  Speaker 5: not behind a wall, not inside, behind.
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  Speaker 1: Closed doors, but right there. You would think it would
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  Speaker 1: be obvious.
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  Speaker 5: I have no doubt that one of the reasons there
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  Speaker 5: weren't enough cops there is because there simply aren't enough cops.
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  Speaker 5: New South Wales is facing absolutely critical police staffing shortage.
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  Speaker 5: Its numbers are well blow I think a couple of
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  Speaker 5: thousand below where they are supposed to be. It is
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  Speaker 5: one of the biggest police forces in the world, but
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  Speaker 5: it is down, and of course the more it's down,
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  Speaker 5: the more the cops that are there burnout, the more
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  Speaker 5: they then jump ship.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit like teachers.
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  Speaker 5: They jump ship and then there's fewer and fewer, and
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  Speaker 5: the fewer there are, the more and quicker they burn out,
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  Speaker 5: and the more they then jump ship, and so you
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  Speaker 5: have this massive problem.
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  Speaker 1: So made we need you.
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  Speaker 3: But also the other question here, Claire, that I want
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  Speaker 3: to know is how many millions of dollars, how many
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  Speaker 3: hundreds or even thousands of police have been deployed to
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  Speaker 3: the streets of the CBD in Sydney and Melbourne every
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  Speaker 3: single week monitoring the pro Palestine marches. I've been in
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  Speaker 3: the city on some of those weeks where they have
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  Speaker 3: the big protests at Hyde Park, there are mounted police.
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  Speaker 3: There are dozens on street corners across.
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  Speaker 2: The whole CBD. You want it.
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  Speaker 3: I want to know how can they give that level
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  Speaker 3: of security to the group that frankly, no one's going
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  Speaker 3: out trying to cause harm to pro Palestine protesters.
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  Speaker 2: They're annoying, but people just let them do their thing.
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  Speaker 3: Why do they get so many police resources but the
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community seems to get very little?
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and you can't help it ask those questions, particularly when,
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  Speaker 6: as Joe says, we were warned, you know, this was
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  Speaker 6: a religious celebration of Hanakha. This wasn't just a random
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  Speaker 6: beach on a random day, and so it was severely
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  Speaker 6: under police. We know that, and look, it's going to
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  Speaker 6: be confronting. I've got children, and do I take them
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  Speaker 6: to events where there's going to be heavily armed, you know,
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  Speaker 6: federal army guys around and how do I explain that
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  Speaker 6: to them that that's what's needed. But of course, you know,
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  Speaker 6: feeling safe is not just about physical safety. It's about
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  Speaker 6: feeling confident to return to everyday normal activities. And I
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  Speaker 6: think that Chrispins is right when he says that that's
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  Speaker 6: what we've got to do. But of course, you know,
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  Speaker 6: having the army walk around events is not what we
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  Speaker 6: want in Australia on a long term. I think you
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  Speaker 6: bring up the Limb cafe siege there. I think there's
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  Speaker 6: a difference here, a real feeling that this time, or
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  Speaker 6: rather back then, and I remember it very clearly, the
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  Speaker 6: community feeling was that this was a lone attack. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: isis had come here. There was a flag in a
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  Speaker 6: Sydney cafe in Martin Place that was horrific. The feeling
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  Speaker 6: at the moment is that there are people out there
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  Speaker 6: that hate this country and hate the West and are
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  Speaker 6: potentially armed, and that the threat is not over and
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  Speaker 6: so we need people to return to Bondi. We need
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  Speaker 6: people out for New Year's Eve this week. We need
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  Speaker 6: people enjoying themselves. And if that's what it's going to take,
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  Speaker 6: it will be pretty confronting, but that's what's needed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's exactly right, and it's just depressing to see
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  Speaker 3: the measures we now have to go to to just
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  Speaker 3: allow Australians to go about their everyday life. Another example
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  Speaker 3: of this is Chris mins is warning that police ahead
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  Speaker 3: of the New Year's Eve celebrations are going to be
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  Speaker 3: carrying large weapons and that it could be confronting for people.
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  Speaker 4: Have a look, we need to have huge security available
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  Speaker 4: on the scene during New Year's Eve celebrations and yes,
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  Speaker 4: in many cases it'll be confronting for members of the
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  Speaker 4: community to see police with big firearms and machine guns,
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  Speaker 4: which aren't normally the case on Sydney streets. But I
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  Speaker 4: don't make any apology for that. We want people to
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  Speaker 4: be safe in our community, but we want them to
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  Speaker 4: live their lives.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we all want to be safe, and to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised police weren't already carrying these kinds of weapons,
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  Speaker 3: given we've known for probably ten fifteen years of the
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  Speaker 3: threat posed by this sort of terrorism. But still the
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  Speaker 3: question is why should the rest of us have to
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  Speaker 3: live in this police state because there are some crazy people.
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  Speaker 3: Why can't we deal with the root cause of what's
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  Speaker 3: going on here instead of making us all have to
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  Speaker 3: live with machine guns and armed security and the ADF
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  Speaker 3: being deployed at community sites.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think the question is, you know, how
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  Speaker 5: do we deal with the root cause of what is
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  Speaker 5: going on here? And how do we do it surgically
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  Speaker 5: instead of just having you know, a kind of reactive
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  Speaker 5: response that potentially makes matters worse. How do we do
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  Speaker 5: it legally within the laws that we have. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the sad, sad truth is that the people who committed
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  Speaker 5: the Bondi massacres did not just get off the last
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  Speaker 5: boat from you know, Afghanistan or Syria or Iraq. They
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  Speaker 5: were you know, Indian nationals or the father was an
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  Speaker 5: Indian national and then was born here and day, like
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  Speaker 5: man minus in the link capes, it's got radicalized by
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  Speaker 5: ISIS propaganda. They seem to be a pretty kind of
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  Speaker 5: Keystone Cops outfit, Like we don't even know if they
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  Speaker 5: made it to the ISIS terror training camp in the
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  Speaker 5: Philippines that they were trying to get to. But again,
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  Speaker 5: the fact they were even just trying to get there
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  Speaker 5: is terrifying enough. So how do you root these people out?
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  Speaker 5: How do you staffle them? I mean, I think part
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  Speaker 5: of the reason why obviously one was on an ASIO
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  Speaker 5: watch list, but maybe they weren't taken seriously enough because
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  Speaker 5: they were seen as just being a couple of loan crazies.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, I think in the meantime we will
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  Speaker 5: have to have increased security presence. We should have had
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  Speaker 5: it at Bondai. That probably still would have been at
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  Speaker 5: death toll, but it probably would have been much lower.
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  Speaker 5: And to be honest, the kind of scenes that we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about here, deploying the army or having you know,
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  Speaker 5: semi automatic officers with big semi automatic weapons at big events,
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  Speaker 5: do you know what it really makes reminds me of Israel?
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  Speaker 1: That is what I was.
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  Speaker 5: There the year before October seven, when it was thought
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  Speaker 5: that everything was kind of okay and the Abraham Accords
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  Speaker 5: were working and Saudi Arabia was going to get on
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  Speaker 5: board with the next sort of phase and finally Israel
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  Speaker 5: would be accepted in the Middle East, which of course
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  Speaker 5: is what har Mass was trying to disrupt. And yet
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  Speaker 5: still you still had incredibly heavily armed IDF presence everywhere.
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  Speaker 6: And did people feel safer though with that question.
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  Speaker 5: Jews to this day tell me will say they say
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  Speaker 5: it in the press and I feel it actually feel safer.
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  Speaker 1: In his life.
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  Speaker 6: It means is right. This could be unsettling though for
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  Speaker 6: a lot of people. It could retrigger people. It could
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  Speaker 6: cause a lot of fear as well and get people
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  Speaker 6: to stay away because they don't want to be around
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  Speaker 6: such heavily military presence. But you're right, in other countries,
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  Speaker 6: perhaps they're just more acclimatized to it, perhaps they're more
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  Speaker 6: used to it. It needs to be done in a way,
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  Speaker 6: a measured way that provides a sense of safety and
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  Speaker 6: not kind of retraumatizes people.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: When I was in Israel in Jerusalem, I was there
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  Speaker 3: after over seven and honestly, probably half of everyone walking
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  Speaker 3: around had a handgun in their back pocket, just casually,
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  Speaker 3: or if they were army reservists, which is a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the country. They were carrying a semi automatic weapon,
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  Speaker 3: and I did feel safer because I thought, well, if
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  Speaker 3: there is a lone wolf attacker, there are plenty of
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  Speaker 3: people around me that could take them out instantly. The
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  Speaker 3: risk we have here is our gun control is so
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  Speaker 3: good that it's only the bad.
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  Speaker 2: Guys that have their hands right guns.
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  Speaker 3: So when this stuff does happen, we're all like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: what do we do?
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  Speaker 5: Only in Israel and Texas have a a friend of
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  Speaker 5: mine who's always going to Texas. Everyone there is just
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  Speaker 5: so polite because you'd never know who's packing a Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So talking about gage the root cause of what actually
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  Speaker 5: caused the Bondi attacks, and to be honest, I'm starting
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  Speaker 5: to think more. I think we need definitely the State
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  Speaker 5: Royal Commission, which we're going to get, and that's good
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  Speaker 5: because that will focus on the attacks and basically retrofit
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  Speaker 5: events leading up to them. But there are still calls
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  Speaker 5: for the federal government to launch its own r Commissioner.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, Anthony Alberansi, the Prime Minister, who has been
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  Speaker 5: held accountable by many of the victims for what happened
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  Speaker 5: in Bondai. There's now been an open letter signed by
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  Speaker 5: I think eleven of the families of eleven of the
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  Speaker 5: Bondai victims saying the PM needs to call a royal commission.
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  Speaker 5: They are saying that this would this would be something
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  Speaker 5: that would actually lead the community to identify all these
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  Speaker 5: route causes. I kind of think we know what they are.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I do think we need to have a
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  Speaker 5: royal commission into what happened at Bondai and what led
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  Speaker 5: to it, how these individuals were influenced, how they were radicalized,
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  Speaker 5: and all that sort of stuff. I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: we need a federal royal commission to just like I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I can tell you there was a great piece written
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  Speaker 5: by you know, written by the academic who's held in
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  Speaker 5: Iran for almost three years, say I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 5: anti Semitism is and who's responsible for it.
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  Speaker 1: And she named the three groups.
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  Speaker 5: Which is Islam, that's extremists, white supremacists and extreme left
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  Speaker 5: wing propost radical so basically use it interchangeably with anti Zionism.
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  Speaker 3: That's the question, Joe, will this government actually name what
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  Speaker 3: the threats are? How many times has Albanezi mentioned the
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  Speaker 3: ri I word radical Islam?
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  Speaker 2: How many times?
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  Speaker 3: I think we could probably count on one hand, and
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  Speaker 3: this is why we need the Royal Commission. One the
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  Speaker 3: special powers it has to compel people to appear as witnesses,
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  Speaker 3: to produce documents, and two to actually lift the lid
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  Speaker 3: on everything.
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  Speaker 2: That's going on. But this is what gets me clear.
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  Speaker 3: The excuses that Albanese is coming up with to not
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  Speaker 3: call a royal commission show you this is purely political
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  Speaker 3: and he is just trying to cover his butt. He
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  Speaker 3: said today that one of the reasons they won't call
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  Speaker 3: a royal commission is because they don't want to risk
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  Speaker 3: re airing hate speech and anti semi.
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  Speaker 2: We've been living with it for two years.
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  Speaker 3: At least put it in a role commission so we
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  Speaker 3: can identify it and call it out it doesn't that
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  Speaker 3: just show us that this is just beautical.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't know where albo is going to go
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  Speaker 6: with this, because when you have this many leaders calling
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  Speaker 6: for this, not just in the Jewish community but across
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  Speaker 6: the nation, and you have a government that turns around
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  Speaker 6: and says no. I watched that press conference today with Albanesi,
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  Speaker 6: and look, I don't necessarily always think that it's what
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  Speaker 6: Albanese says in the words and he's got you know,
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  Speaker 6: speech writers, I assume, but his tone when you know,
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  Speaker 6: he doesn't come across as sincy unfortunately, and I think
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  Speaker 6: today he came across as pretty kind of patronizing and
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  Speaker 6: saying no, we know better, you know than you and
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  Speaker 6: shut down the reporters there. And I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the departmental inquiry is going to be good enough and
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  Speaker 6: that's it. And I just don't think this is going
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  Speaker 6: to go away for him. So it's going to be
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  Speaker 6: really interesting in how many excuses he can keep making
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  Speaker 6: up because following the letter, you know, and mounting pressure,
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  Speaker 6: I don't see this going away. But talking about you know,
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  Speaker 6: immediately after Bondai and moving on from Bondai, but just
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  Speaker 6: by a day. The Albernezi government has announced the day
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  Speaker 6: after the Bondai terror attack that they will increase gender
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  Speaker 6: targets for barristers who represent the Commonwealth and they have
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  Speaker 6: expanded the range of diversity measures that must be taken
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  Speaker 6: into account. And you know, well that's right. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: is this a coincidence or is it a communication strategy.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that this is actually opportunistic by the
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  Speaker 6: Abenezi government. I just think that this was a long
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  Speaker 6: term announcement that was coming. They should have pulled it.
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  Speaker 6: But of course we know the governments do this. We
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  Speaker 6: know that anything to do with gender targets or diversity
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  Speaker 6: targets is going to be unpopular, and so they thought, well,
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  Speaker 6: do we still ounce it on the what was it
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  Speaker 6: the Monday, the day out or do we just let
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  Speaker 6: that one go through? So no one notices and I
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  Speaker 6: think that that was a bad call, you know, in
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  Speaker 6: terms of timing for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they bring out your dead strategy, isn't it.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the one that famously brought undone, a
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  Speaker 5: top British spin doctor in after nine to eleven we
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: send him email after the twin Towers came down and said, right,
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  Speaker 5: anyone want to get any bad news out of the
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  Speaker 5: way and bad news, get it out now.
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  Speaker 6: And a full fifty five on Friday.
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  Speaker 5: Still when if people want and it's still if governments
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  Speaker 5: want something buried, that is when they will release it.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be just after the early edition early deadlines for
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  Speaker 5: the weekend edition of the newspapers have passed, and just
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  Speaker 5: when it's too late to make the six pm evening
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  Speaker 5: news that.
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  Speaker 6: Works with the gender diverse barristers because this is I
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  Speaker 6: send it on Friday.
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  Speaker 5: So this is the question though, see I'm not sure
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  Speaker 5: if this is what that is, and I think it's
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  Speaker 5: almost something sillier. But because if you were going because
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  Speaker 5: this is the sort of thing that the left wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: necessarily want to bear it, it is the sort of thing
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  Speaker 5: that they would say, look at this wonderful thing we're doing,
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  Speaker 5: We're promoting.
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  Speaker 2: General this was the good news story.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is a good news story that had
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  Speaker 5: been sitting in the pipelines for months or however long.
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  Speaker 5: It had been waiting for maybe a bit of a
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  Speaker 5: slow news week leading up to Christmas, where you could
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  Speaker 5: announce this incredibly great leap forward and progressive thing and
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  Speaker 5: instead of actually so, I think the the mistake the
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  Speaker 5: government made here is was it was not trying to
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  Speaker 5: sneak this out under cover of darkness, because obviously it
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  Speaker 5: hasn't worked. It ended up on the front page of
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  Speaker 5: the Australian today, but by actually not just dropping everything
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  Speaker 5: and saying right now we do nothing but terrorism, nothing
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  Speaker 5: but anti semitism, nothing but And again I think the
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  Speaker 5: government's heart is in the right place and I know it,
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  Speaker 5: but it just seems to take a while to get
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  Speaker 5: they're on these issues. They don't quite seem to immediately
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  Speaker 5: grasp the huge, huge, huge.
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  Speaker 1: Gravity, Like the landscape has changed now. Things are not normal.
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  Speaker 5: You don't put out the same old planned press releases
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  Speaker 5: or hold the same press conferences every like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the very cliche.
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  Speaker 1: Everything has changed.
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  Speaker 5: It's a different world on the Monday than it was
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  Speaker 5: on the Saturday. And I think that's reflect And again
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: it's not Elbow trying to be insensitive or do the
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: wrong thing. And again he often says the right thing.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: It's as people don't like the way he says it
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: because he's not a motive enough for he doesn't you
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: know these words, and the fact that he put out
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: a sort of rather an and dying kind of statement
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: as soon as news broke of this, saying, right, okay,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: we're aware of the incident. Everyone just follow police instructions. Again,
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: everyone was saying, why the hell aren't you talking about
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: anti semitism. There's Jews lying dead, why aren't you calling
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: this a terror attack? And again, maybe those people are
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: going ahead and he's just trying to be cautious and calm,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: but it's that it's the slowness to get where he
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: needs to get that.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I think hurt too well.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I think there's a reason he's slow, and it's because
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: he doesn't actually feel anti Semitism, he doesn't feel due hatred.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: He was a pro Palestinian activist. He doesn't actually believe
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: half the talking points he's being given.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: And this is half the talking Palaestindian actively.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: But this is the problem.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: It's so abundantly clear when you listen to him in
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: these press conferences it is just talking points. There is
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: no genuine conviction there. And that's the reason it took
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: him so long to release his statement after Bondi, because
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: he was probably waiting for what is chief of political
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: strategy told him to say. And it's very obvious, but
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I think maybe this was also a pre scheduled thing.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: But what it does show is just the mismatch in
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: where the government is at and what they think the
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: key issues are facing our country versus what is truly
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: happening on the ground. If you seriously think that increasing
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, diversity of the lawyers
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: who represent the government is at all something you should
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: care about, you are so out of touch with reality
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: and with what is truly facing our country?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So that's what does it for me. It's like, what
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: planet are these guys living on?
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Although it was quite interesting, I noticed that the line
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: of attack. So the opposition obviously got a hold of
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: this and led it to the hours as well. They
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: should have and like get to the Daily Telegraph next time.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: But the opposition spokesman was at first like, how could
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: we even be talking about this, you know, in the
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: wake of the Bondi terror attack.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You know, it is ridiculous.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: This just shows the government's priorities are all wrong, blah
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: blah blah, and then immediately also starts talking about this
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: and by the way, this is also a terrible idea
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: doing this and why should we people? And I kind
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: of thought it was it was kind of emblematic of
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: the way that you know, often both the left and
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the right can't help but sort of default to their
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: culture war corners, even when they know that they shouldn't,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: even when the first line of attack is you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: we shouldn't be talking about this. Even discussing this is
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: ridiculously insensitive and shows you don't know what to tell
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: you and they're not being able to help yourself from
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: talking about it, well, discussing it at the same time.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Two things can be true at the same time. I
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: think that both of those points are true. But let's
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: move on now. And another group that is living on
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: another planet are the backpackers that descended on Kuji Beach
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: on Christmas Day, thousands and thousands and thousands of backpackers
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: went down to Kuji. Normally they would go to Bronti
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: and Waverley counselor taken steps to increase rubbish bins and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff, but they ended up going
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to Kujie.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I think something there was construction.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: At Bronti or something, but the amount of garbage that
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: they left behind is genuinely disgusting.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I know, beaches are a public place, they're a national asset.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Everyone should be free to go enjoy them. But you
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: can't have rights without responsibility. And when you leave the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: beach looking like that, well, frankly, I think your right
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: to enjoy it should be taken away.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I agree. And most of these are not
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: as you said, Ossie's who live here. Most of them
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: are backpackers, English and Irish backpackers having a great time,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: I know, But twenty tons of rubbish, they had to
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: clean up people urinating in the park, glass apparently found
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: across the kids playgrounds and so forth. So look, I
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: get that Australians are very precious about their free and
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: public beaches, okay, but if that is going to continue,
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: I just think, sorry, we have to ticket it, we
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: have to regulate it, we have to become a ticketed event,
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: charge them for the cleanup costs, and have a look
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: at other countries. If you go to other countries like
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: I think slightly more civilized nations like Japan and Singapore,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, it is just incumbent on them to have
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: personal responsibility to pick up after themselves. I was in
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: a train once in Japan and we had there was
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: advertising posters hanging from the ceiling of the train, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: these advertising posters were like paper thin, okay, spits of
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: paper and they just hang there perfectly. No one touched them.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Then he would last two seconds before they were ripped down.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I think this is disgusting and if you're
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: going to act like that, we've got to charge for
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: the cleanup.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: It is obviously discussing and the reason why it wasn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Bronte is because they did it to Bronnie. They trashed Bronti. Yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: and there was exactly this kind of uproar. People were saying, well, fine,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: you know, this is why we can't have nice things.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: We're going to have to fence it off or charge
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: people so that it's you know, so that they can
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: pay for the cleanup, or restrict numbers, whatever it may be.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: But I do have to take you up, Claire on
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: your outrageous statement that this was caused by backpackers, that
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: it was caused from people from overseas, because this has
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: already been investigated by none other than the ABC's Global
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Affairs editor Laura Tingle, who knows a thing or two
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: about racism. Apparently it occurs in her imagination at real
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: estate auctions. But not it bond II terror attacks, but
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: double Bay to Day, the top quality newspaper. ABC journalist
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Laura Tingle claims the mess left behind it could you
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: beat yesterday quote had nothing to do with backpackers.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: A little subhead.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: The PM is urging Australians not to use the word
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: backpackers to avoid inflaming the So I think, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: we all have a responsibility. You talk about responsibilities, we
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: all have a responsibility.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You take the heat out of this issue, turn down
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the temperature.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not just English and Irish backpackers, but New Zealanders
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: as well as.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: French and the French.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Country.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: The French have ever been to that they did not
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: absolutely completely and heartily offer all recognition.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: We are talking Kuber.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: I mean you look at hate, look at you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Napoli and just run Ostelitz. I haven't forgotten aslip. Then
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: of course they throw up their hands as soon as
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: the Germans walk.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: In every single time.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we all know about World War Two,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: we all know about Vishy France and Marshall back there,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: you know, there hanging out in the seat side spa town,
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: handing over Jews to the Nazis while the Germans ran
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Paris because the French couldn't even be trusted with that,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: And how they wouldn't even turn over the French fleet
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: to the Allies, one honorable thing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: They could have done.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: But what about the Franco Prussian War which they were
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: stupid enough to get goaded into by Auto WoT Bismarck
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: and then lost. These guys are just the worst, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: now they're crapping all over Couljie, I can't take it anymore.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Careful joy for racial vilification against your scene.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: If you keep it from Bruno Buschai.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I like him, we do like some French people. But
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: on that theme of people ruining things for everyone, the
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Nimbi's are back at it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I am pro fun I think it's great, but when
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: you look at what the backpackers did a Coulji, you
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: do start to say there must be some limits on
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: the things you can do in public spaces. Having said that,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: in Walara, in the heart of the eastern suburbs, there
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: is a fight going down the Walara Council, which traditionally
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: has been rather Nimbi deny development, to tilt to it
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: pro to tel retain the character of the area. But
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: now one liberal counselor, James Ardwin, who I actually know
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and is a good friend of mine, has stuck it
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: to the Nimbi's and said if you want to uh
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: not have any noise and not have any live music
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: and night life, et cetera, then basically just leave. Said
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: if you've chosen to move two houses away from a pub,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: that is your decision. It's not something you get in
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: world cities at night, you can move to the sea
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: or the countryside or the mountains. It's very peaceful, very serene. Now, Claire,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I just love the fact that he called them out.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It is not unreasonable to want local businesses to be
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: able to operate open late have late late night music.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: If you have chosen to move next to a pub
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: that's probably been there since eighteen sixty, that's your faust.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: I'm going to say, these people who choose to move
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: two dollars down from pubs and then complain there's a
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: bit of noise. Look, Sydney's nightlife is embarrassing if you
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: go to European cities, it really is. And I often say,
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: you know, nightlife doesn't have to be about twenty year
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: olds in clubs in the city, like bring back suburban nightlife.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Like I'm a parent. I don't want to slep into
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: the city and pay for expensive parking, and like I
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: want a nice bar I can go to that's open
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: after roll home.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: It's ten o'clock, come on, And so I'm all for it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: If I don't like it, sorry, I'm going to put
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Freyer on the spot now as our resident youth because
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: you were, you did you you sort of did the
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: opposite of what your friend is suggested. You do like
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: to go out at night, but you did go to
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: the country and you found there wasn't enough stuff there
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: for you to do.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: That's spending Christmas.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I was down in Mollymook with my family for Christmas
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: and no, this has made me even more night live.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: It's just it's nice being in a sleepy beach town,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: but it's so sleepy and I get bored on switch.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: The Bollybook Residents Action Group has just rolled over and
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: it's it's decided to reconstitute for one last fight to
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: keep frying to leach out of Mollybook with a hedonistic,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: wild libertarian night long.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: If I had my way and I was on Mollymook Council,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I'd be opening up ven.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I get elected.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: That's the that's We're going to go to a break
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: now and coming up after the break, the hot cross
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: bun debate has started again. When is the right time
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: to put out hot cross buns. We're gonna have our
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: say welcome back to the program. Well, there are suggestions
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that hot cross Buns should be renamed Boxing Day Buns.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Because Cole's Aldi and Woolli's have started unveiling their hot
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: cross buns on Boxing Boo Boo Boxing Day, there's still
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: what four or five months till Easter and the hot
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: cross buns are out. Claire, I love hot cross buns.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I'm all for them, but boxing Doe does feel a
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: little soon hat.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: I am so anti this is. I just think, can
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: you just give us a week a week after celebrating
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: his birth to while not celebrating his death but his resurrection? Please?
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: I just think that we you know, it's the same
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: feeling I get the day after Halloween, you know when
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: the skeletons go and Santa pops up. There's that kind
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: of in between time and you just have this stuff
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: all year round and it just ruins that it's not
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: special at all. So if it was up to me,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: I would say the week of Easter, put the crosses
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: on as a compromise, willing for you to eat hot
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: cross buns without.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: The cross buss just hop buns. Yeah. A couple.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Hot buns at that point are basically just raisin toast,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: like raisin toast in bun form. If you really love them,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I would totally go for that. But yeah, I mean,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: this is isn't it just the commercialization of Christian faith.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Everything is just an opportunity for these big corporates to
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: make more money by exploiting Christianity.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: And it's a big tacky It's not.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Just tacky, Fray. I'm so glad you brought this up.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: This is against God and it is also against science,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: and this is you thought I was upset about the French.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Incidentally, you know, Jesus was born a bit after.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: You know, the official date of zero AD, at a
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: time when the Romans had also conquered the French. Is
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: there are a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys, as
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: the great historian Homer Simpson once put it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But the hot cost punt.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: So one of our technical directors just put just said
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: that he was actually offered a voucher by a baking
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: franchise chain that I will choose not to name because
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: I quite enjoy their French sticks despite the name. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: this was actually given to him before Christmas, right, So
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: forget about the fact that you're just piggybanking on the
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: crucifixion and the passion, and you know, like I mean,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Jesus was very specific about mixing kind of affairs of
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: the marketplace and affairs of the church. I mean, the
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: one time he got angry was when people were changing
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: money inside the walls of the Great Temple, and he
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: picked up a broom and started whacking people.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Then said, I saw, sorry, I love thy name, but
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: turn the other check. I forgot. I forgot. But anyway,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I do as I do, and as I say.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Did I say not as I do? But anyway, So.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: You've actually got people effectively selling you a marker of
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Jesus's death before the marker of when he was born.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: People are buying that. We're talking people.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You are creating a situation where Jesus dies before he's born.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Like this is knowing Jesus could do that like a
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: science ficument.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: This is like inception. This is like tenet.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: This is like time moving backwards now, and it's all
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: being done because they just can't. It's like when it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: like when you do that when they start selling the
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Christmas stuff before Halloween's even arrive, It's like you're going
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: to screw with the whole space time continuum. You are
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: messing with the very fabric of reality itself.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: Have you seen the Halloween Christmas trees. I'm seeing those Christmas.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: What sort of sort of devil's work is this?
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Well, was absolutely crazy when there's someone going to.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Just like people are buying them. And if you're buying
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: them in January, I'll tell you what else you've got
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: to do. You've got to get to the gym. That's
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: what you've got to do. And we are looking at
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: the moment that a peak body for gyms has blasted
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: a proposed tightening of consumer law that would make it
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: easier for customers to cancel their memberships and exit their
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: subscriptions to the gym. So I am pretty much the
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: gym's perfect client. I've had a gym membership. I mean
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: I've had it off and on. I've had it now
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: for about twelve months. I have been less than what
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: I could count on one hand, and that was probably
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: in the first two X of signing up. But do
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: they need to call me to follow up?
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: No?
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: Do they need to lift their service? No, because I
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: just support to this lazy business model where as long
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: as it comes out of a direct debor buy my
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: credit card, they don't have to do a thing. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: so the reality is, though it's really easy. Easy to
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: sign up. It's a couple of clicks, stick your credit
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: card in boom, look at me go for twenty twenty six.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: If I want to cancel, I've sent you an email before.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: They want to have an appointment, they want to bring
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: me in, they want to put the guilt on me.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: I'm time for I can't be bothered, and I just
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: am the schmuck.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: That's for me.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Do you shouldn't have to go through all that you
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: know and be you know, shame short, Claire? Are you
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: sure you're being the best you can be? You know, like,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: why not?
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: What's wrong with a bit of shame? I didn't rather
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: you got to motivate people somehow.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: That's very true. No, look, I think this would be
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: absolutely terrible.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I think gyms and any business frankly, unless it's objectively
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: unfair and outrageous the terms. If you sign up to
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: a gym that has a twelve month membership period, then
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: that is your fault. And maybe instead of wasting your money,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you should just get up your butt and go. Just
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: don't think it's that hot.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And I passed.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: Just come here for shaming Claire.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: That's right, Claire is just go, oh my god.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, I'm sorry, Like you signed up to
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: the thing in the moment of where you were it
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: was involved, and.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Use that as motivation.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Use the potential shame as as energy is fire to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: work on like.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: A Catholic, use your guilt to propel you towards greater
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: acts of penance. I reckon it should be like even
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: it's not quite the same. But my auntie, my mum my,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: oh my god, that's so fraud in. My wife's aunt
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: on Christmas Day was saying, I'm just signed up to
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: this thing.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a gym, it was like some iCloud storage thing,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: and and we're like, how do you unsign it? And
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: no one kind of knew obviously the hand over your money.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I like how Claire's just decided this is like her
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: form of sort of charitable giving. With ten bucks month
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: to this salos and videis, we're also donating struggling small businesses.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Look, it subsidizes my membership, so I'm not mad about it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Keep going, Claire.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: But let's move on now and talk about the First
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Nation's Ambassador. Labor has a lot of random ambassadorships that
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: you've probably never heard of, and we're not really sure
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: what they do. The First Nation's ambassador, though, is one
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: of the special ones that seems particularly wasteful. He has
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: racked up well, he gets paid, firstly four hundred thousand
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: dollars a year. He's got ten people in his office,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: ten staff, and the office has an annual budget of
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: thirteen point six million dollars.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And how many gym memberships you could get for them?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Lots of gym memberships. And now he has wrapped up
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a taxpayer funded travel bill of almost three hundred and
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. That is truly extraordinary when the government
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: is cutting electricity bill subsidies for households, telling all of
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: us that we have to tighten our belts. Yet they
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: are paying firstly him almost half a million dollars and
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: then he's jet setting around the world business class achieving
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: who knows what. It's just an insult and I love
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: this defat was asked about you know what's this guy
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: actually doing? What is the point of this office? And
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: all they had to say back to the Australian was well,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the First Nation's envoy, he's a unique element of our
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: national power. Unique, that's for sure, uniquely expensive and ineffective class.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: That's when you say something without really saying anything at all.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: I don't think a lot of Ozzie's would know that
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: we had a first Nations ambassador, and apparently it is
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: a world first. There is no other with such a role.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: And so when this guy goes to conferences and events
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: overseas and he shakes hands with his oh wait, he
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: doesn't have counterparts, So what is he actually doing? What
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's a very good question. What
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: is the return on investment, particularly when he's been doing
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: so much international travel and looking at issues overseas, when
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: really isn't the priority for every Australia wanting to look
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: at the gap of housing, of practical solutions of health,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: of education, of jobs for our indigenous people. So I
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: just still don't really understand what the role is. But
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: this guy was interviewed mister Muhammed talking about his personal
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: motivations and doing an interview about achieving this role, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: he has said that as he grew up he kind
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: of had a desire to prove white Australia wrong. Okay,
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: So I don't think that public appointments are really should
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: be taken as personal vendettas or you know, the complete
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: accomplishment of your identity crusade. Here are since I was
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: a little boy, to just prove white Australia wrong. And
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: I don't think that reconciliation and harmony, if we are
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: ever going to say that we have achieved it, I
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: don't think it's going to be happening by one side
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: proving the other side wrong. So not only four hundred
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year, so lots of gym memberships, what
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: did you remember, business class travel around the world. But
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: I just feel that this is this vendetta to prove
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: one side wrong.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: I actually wouldn't have I actually don't have a problem
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: with the proving widest wrong because what he's saying is
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: that from what I can gather from what he was
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: saying is that you know, he was growing up in Bunderberg,
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: had a very clear racial divide and not if you're indigenous,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: not much was expected of you. And he said I
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: wanted to prove that perception was wrong and that genous
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Australian can do everything, not indigenous Australia can do it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: So I think, actually, I actually think that's loudable.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Good on you. You know, he's clearly succeeded. He's got it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: You know, he's earning more money than I am, so
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: he's definitely he's definitely topped me top one wide Australian and.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even mind.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't even have a problem with this role if
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: there was any tangible benefit from it. I mean, I
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: mean it sounds like a bit of a sort of
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: wanky box sticking exercise. And if it was a wanky
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: box sticking exercise, that could actually point to say say, well, no,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: this is actually how we've improved it. You know, I've
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: gone over to Canada and I've seen how they've closed
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: the gap with you know, Inuit communities there, and you know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: we rolled this out in Wolgut and it seems to
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: be working so far.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you can't even go for a
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: council kind of but sometimes.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: If they are rolling out announcements about you know, increasing
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: gender diversity quotas in the legal profession.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: The day after Australia's worst terror at, I.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Gather that if there was good news to be announced
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: by what this guy was doing, they wouldn't be backwards
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: and coming forward, or if you know, when they get
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: busted for having a travel bill of four hundred k
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: or taking these business class flights, say oh yeah, but
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: look at what he did while I was over there.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: I'll look at what he's done since with this information
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: blah blah, and it's just not there. And I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: that kind of I think that just takes the piss
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: and again. And I think it is this sort of
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: stuff that is why the voice referendum failed. So it
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: is actually these kind of you know, completely sort of
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: pointless virtue signaling. I hate to use that term, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: there's really no other word for it. Positions. It says,
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: look look at how diverse we are. But yeah, apart
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: from the look at me, look at me? What about them?
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: What about the people on the ground who are still
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: dying ten years earlier with diseases that you know, have
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: been wiped out in everywhere but the third world. I mean,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: it's just when you look at what's happening. I mean,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: I mentioned you look at what's happening in that. Can
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: you look what's happening in other communities? It is disgraceful
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: and the idea that got people say, oh, look can upgrade.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: The business never ends well, does it? Anyway? Just quickly
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: before we go to break Cash is king?
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: Is the along held statement by certainly my tobacconist, by
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: former tobacconists.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I don't smoke anymore.
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: And I, and not just I, but Claire as well,
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: was at Raging Waters, the big giant water park in
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: Sydney formerly known as Wet and Wild, and one thing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: I noticed there was that there was absolutely no cash.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: You were not allowed to pay with cash. None of
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: the billion ways to take your money.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Would accept cash.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: And I found this out because I was standing behind
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: someone at one of the many many ti asks and
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: blah blah, and he innocently pulls out his wallet to
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: try and pay for something. They said, I'm sorry, no cash,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: and you sort of look around at all the other things,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: no where anywhere at the window. So you know you're
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: coming to ride the you know, ride the type boon
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: or whatever it is.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And try to buy your kid a touristick.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: No good anyway, Australians are embracing a cashless future. I'm
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: going from this an act of induction. I'm going from
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: a specific example and then broadening it out to the
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: entire community. Australians are embracing a cashless future at record speed,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: with mobile wallas and tab and Goo payments now embedded
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: in daily life.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you for this revelation. It's very good to know.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: While the convenience of digital payments is undeniable, the rapid
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: decline of cash is leaving millions of Australians, particularly older
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: people and old mate in front of me at the
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Turrost desk, particularly regional residents and people with disabilities, increasingly
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: cut off from the economy. So again it is not
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: just the poor bloke with the fashionable bumbag at wet
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: and Wild.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It is older people, disabled people as well. Yeah you'd
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: be you into cash or you don't even know what cash.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I don't think I paid for anything with cash years
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: probably honestly. But however I do acknowledge the important role
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: that it does place. And one thing that this article
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: does talk about is the decline in the physical infrastructure
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: that services this stuff. There's been a fifty percent decline
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: in the number of bank branches and ATMs, and so
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it's just really hard if you are an older person
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: who does still rely on cash. But we're going to
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: go to a break now, and coming up after the break,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: we will be discussing a town in the US that
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: is complaining because a donut factory has moved in and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: is producing a million donuts a day. How would you
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: like to live with the smell of donuts? Twenty four
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: to seven? Talk about that after the break. Welcome back
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: to the program. Well, we were talking about the decline
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: of cash and one of the things that cash lets
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: you do is evade taxes as a shop owner. But
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Time One has a unique strategy.
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: To combat this. It does and here is an idea
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: that I think the ATO can get behind.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: Courage them, no, I love this. So when you're shopping
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: in Taiwan, most people, if not everyone, is going to
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: ask can I have a receipt? And the reason being
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: is that every receipt has a number on it that
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: goes into a lotto draw. So just by buying a
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: coffee you can stand to win like millions of dollars
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: or at least hundreds of thousands of dollars. And I
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: love this. This is like gamifying my shopping habits And really,
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: do I need an excuse to shop more? Probably not,
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: but I love it. It also fixes my lotto problem
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: because I wing every week. I don't win lotto, but
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: I don't buy lottery tickets, so it's a slut problem.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: Actual really buy a ticket, so it fixes that. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: think it's great. Of course, when you you know, everyone's
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: asking for receipts and you've got to issue one and
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: that stops. Of course, you know, cash being put through
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: and not declared, and at the end of the day,
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: you know, the tax revenue in Taiwan after they introduced
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: this went up by huge amount and have actually been
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: running this type of program since the nineteen fifty They've
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: got a draw on the twenty fifth day of every
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: second month. Got to note that down into diaries and
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: have your receipts there somehow I don't know how that works.
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: And yeah, you can go into the drawer to win cash.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: I think this is brilliant.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: So they forced I'm trying to get my head around
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: this because it's taken me the first fifty three minutes
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: of the show. So they're forcing shopkeepers and shops and
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: small businesses not to have cash trade by making turning
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: customers into Karen's basically yes, and demanding receipts for everything.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: They purchase so they can enter a lottery, which is
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: almost certain in fact self evidently going to cost them
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: more money in the increased is that they pay. Then
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: the government pays out in the lottery winnings because the
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: government is reaping in all this revenue and it's still
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: going strong after seventy years.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: In fact, other countries are looking to implement the same thing, Brazil, Portugal, Wania.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Some have implemented it and seen huge successes. Taiwan increased
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: its sales tax reven You're buy seventy five percent, So
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know you're hating on it, Joe, but it's
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: pretty sure.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: But while all the world is obsessed with these trivial, little,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: you know, quizzling issues like you know, revenue and economic
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: growth and you know, making sure people pay their taxes
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: like Laura Body citizens, they're ignoring the real issues which
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: have been unearthed in the small town of have A Hill,
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: which is complaining that it smells too much like doughnuts.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: A small town in the US says that the fast
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: food giant Dunk Donuts, which has a factory, has just
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: opened a factory nearby that pumps out one million donuts
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: per day and this is there's a touch of snobbery here,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: an't they have a hill counselor Shawn too. He shared
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: that he had been contacted by another constituent complaining of
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: a quote carnival smell resembling fried dough a bit of
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: a giveaway.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: The clues in the name.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: They do fry the dough, and they basically say that this,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: which is the largest bakery for Duncan in the US,
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: represents basically a violation of the rights of the poor citizens,
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: the poor burghers of have a hill.
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: Only in America would you get a town complaining about
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: living near the smell of donuts. If that is the
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: worst thing you can complain about your town, imagine they
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: must have exactly right.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, it's just donuts. But also another
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: thing people are complaining about. Nick Curios is in the
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: headlines again. This time he did an exhibition match called
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the Battle of the Sexes against Arena Sabolenka, and people
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: are saying it was absolutely awful. Here's a clip of
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: the Battle of the Sexes.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Oh, William.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Want to knit?
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: That was so people are saying it's patronizing, it was
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: taking the mickey out of the game. Her court was smaller,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: they were not respecting the sports, and Curios ended up winning.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So I guess it does just reinforce there are biological
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: differences between men and women, and even the top ranked
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: female player will still lose to Curios, who is very good,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: but not the top ranked male player.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: And then they're trying to equate this to back to
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies, that wonderful billy drinking match, and it
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: is just not the same. And the fact they had
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: to make all these modifications has just absolutely conceded that
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: male and females are not interchangeable.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Exactly right. Well, thank you so much for joining us
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: this evening. We'll see you back again here this evening,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: same time tomorrow.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Have a great night.