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Things To Think About If Someone Busts Down Your Door · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Let's do this show five thousand, one hundred and thirty nine of The Morning
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there. And now we are joined by our Personal Defense segment. Charlie Strickland,
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co founder, co host of Talent Outdoors, co founder of the Talent
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Training Group. Hello, my friend, how are you. I'm fine.
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I listened on iHeart on the way in this morning. I heard you making
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fun of my name and all Chlie, I have to listen on our heart
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because of the ducting phenomenon. It causes my radio to quack up, so
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I have to, you know, listen through the app. Glad you're on
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top of this stuffy Yeah. See, granted I didn't come up with that
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in the shower or in a meditative state. That was just right off the
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top of my head. Yeah, you're much quicker than I am, That's
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what all right? So well, good morning. I ran across a scenario,
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ran it across you yesterday, and I think it will take and I
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think it merits taking a little time. You've had scenarios in your law enforcement
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career where you're knocking on doors at various times of the day and night.
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We've seen stories play out nationally where the endings aren't so good from time to
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time. How would you advise somebody that comes to a training class on how
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to deal with somebody breaking in your front door in the middle of the night.
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Well, you know, as Florida castle doctrine, and this is the
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same in Georgia and Alabama. If someone is forcibly and unlawfully entering your home
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coming in your house without permission. They're you know, they have no lawful
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right to be there. That is, basically, it gives you the right
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to use deadly force to defend yourself, your family, your home. That
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is castle doctrine. If they are forcibly and unlawfully entering your residence, dwelling,
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or occupied conveyance, then you can use deadly for protect yourself. You
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don't have to look look for their intent. They don't have to express a
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violent intent. There's a presumption of violent intent on their part because they broke
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in your door, because they well, if they entered your door, they
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entered your dwelling. They don't have to break it in. They just have
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to come in. So if you wake up the middle of night somebody's standing
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over you in the bedroom, there's a presumption they have violent intent. As
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long as you know. We recommend that you identify the target, that you
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make sure it's not your adult child that came home to visit and wanted to
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surprise you or something, and you need target identification is a big deal,
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which is why you know we carry flashlights, have flashlights, you know,
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have control of the lights. All that's important. That said that doesn't apply
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if it's law enforcement in the performance of their lawful duties. And so somebody's
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trying to kick your door in, you can shoot them through the door,
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but you can't shoot them through the door if they're law enforcement. They've announced
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that they're law enforcement. That gets to the issue, and that is announcement
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knowing their law enforcement and a lot of things that are different in every single
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situation, Okay, and it's different in different states because some states still allow
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no knock warrants. Florida does not allow no knock warrants at the application process.
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If there's there are exigent circumstances to where someone's life is in danger,
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then yes they can do that, but they have to justify it on the
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scene and based on circumstances and again, and that's really a high standard,
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sure his life or death. So it I hear some music playing, So
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we're coming up on the break, but it is what happens when this guy's
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hosted his own show for a while. Now he goes, we'll be right
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back, Well I don't. I don't want to get halfway through a sentence,
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and so stay tuned and we'll pick right up there when we get back
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back with Charlie Strickland of the Challenge training group Personal Defense. We're talking about
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what happened when law enforcement, whether it's local or state or federal, knocks
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on your door in the middle of the night and then proceeds to enter your
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home. You were talking knock and no knock warrants. Yes, so some
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states still a lot of states still allow no knock warrants. They apply for
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the warrant, they apply for a no knock and then the judge signs off
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and says, yes, you can go in without announcing. Based on these
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circumstances in Florida, unless I recall incorrectly, and it's been quite a few
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years since I've applied for a search warrant that we don't do no knock warrants
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here now, So law enforcement is required to knock on the door and announce.
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Now, then you get in some federal things, but state law enforcement,
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local law enforcement is for sure. Now, how long they knock,
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how loud they knock, how long they wait for a response before they breach
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and make entry, you know, and if they are compromised, sometimes they'll
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go ahead and go in and knocking. Shriff's officearch wants, share, police
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officer search want, and then somebody's shaking the curtains, and if they feel
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like you're in danger, you know, for compromised breach, breach breach,
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they go in the door and it is a dynamic situation, but that it
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depends on the type of warrant that now. I was in financial crimes,
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and we knocked until they came to the door. We didn't breach the door
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unless nobody was home and we've been knocking on the door for thirty minutes.
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Well, let me ask you this, Charlie, in your experience and the
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experiences of those that you are friends with, that you're colleagues with, that
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you know is a is the serving of a warrant going to be handled and
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prepared for differently based on what you predict or feel like you know about the
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person being served. Absolutely, it is okay. So I worked in violent
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crimes, financial crimes, We did paper crimes, we did real crime,
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you know bad you know, like violent crimes. And I was a swat
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team leader and we went we have operational plans, search warrants have operational plans.
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We do an in depth dive, a deep dive from our intel section
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and obtain all of the criminal history, all of the information we talked to
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the case detectives. All of that stuff goes into preparing the operational plan.
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You're doing drive buys to the house, You're getting photographs, you're pulling public
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records. You're doing all of this stuff to make sure one that you go
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to the right house, and still mistakes are made. You're making sure that
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do they have children, what time do the children go to school? All
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these things go in and preparing a search warrant properly for law enforcement. But
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still, can we throw in a flash bang? Can we not? Depending
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on how big a deal. If it's not a big deal, you're going
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to knock on the door, we have to have a uniform presence at the
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door. There has to be a uniformed officer at the door so that they
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can see that it's law enforcement. But when it's all boiled down, you
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have to make a determination that the subject of that warrant and anybody who else
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may be in the home is either likely to be dangerous or not likely.
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They might absolutely need to be arrested and have their day in court, but
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deemed dangerous or not. Is that a fundamental bottom line determination. Yes,
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absolutely is what are the realistic chances? What do we believe, what do
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we reasonably believe that this person would do if confronted? Have they Have they
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been to court recently for violent you know, they had injunctions applied against them,
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The nature of the crime, the things that they may have said on
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social media, all these things matter. All of this stuff goes in and
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it's probably way more robust now than it was ten years ago when I was
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still doing when you say more robust the intelligence gathering process, they're probably using
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things now to get more information now than we are available, not necessarily the
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threshold now I'm from the MySpace era. I mean now they've got all kinds
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of stuff I mean that you can get and there are whole sections that are
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only their job, and they're really good at what they do is to just
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gather this information, you know, and make sure that law enforcement has to
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write information ultimately, though you still may not maybe laying in bed and you
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don't hear them knock, you don't hear them announced. Now most warrants are
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served, you know, not at two three o'clock in the morning. They're
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more like right before you wake up. That's typically the target at time is
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just when you're really really in that deep sleep before you wake up. That's
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when if you're dangerous otherwise. You know, a lot of these cases you
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see around that are nationally known them are they probably should have just caught them
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walking to the car in the morning right or at work, because there aren't
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any doovers if it goes wrong. No, no, you can't take for
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anybody involved. You can't take that back. And I do want to talk
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about the conflict between castle doctrine and search warrants, and we are back set
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it very differently. Yeah, Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group
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and personal defense. We're talking about what to do, what you should do,
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what you need to think about, and you wanted to keep talking about
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this scenario. So there is in fact some conflict across the country between castle
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doctrine, which is pretty much the law of the land. You can protect
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your home when someone's breaking in your home, right you presume there's violent intent.
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Law enforcement, on the other hand, has the right to breach the
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door and come in under certain circumstances with probable cause and a search warrant signed
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by a judge and in here locally, they're required to knock and announce and
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announce their intentions. And that's pretty much the way it is, unless there's
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extraent circumstances, even around the country. So now you have a situation where
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if I wake up in the middle of the night and I don't hear who
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this, If I don't hear law you know, and the thing is is
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law enforcement they're knocking on the door, Well, how long do they knock
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and how loud do they announce. I've seen it done in a couple of
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different ways, so you know, we have to knock and announce, but
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I've seen some search weren't served to where it wasn't necessarily that loud or it
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didn't go on for that long. And there are some guidelines that they need
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to follow, and they do. But in a thirty something of your career,
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I've seen it done a couple different ways, and now all of a
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sudden, the person doesn't here all right, So now you have a legal
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defense for the homeowner. I didn't hear or see that they were law enforcement.
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And you know a lot of times they're not wearing they're not wearing polyester
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uniforms they're wearing whatever they end up wearing, it's just taighted to cool.
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And then so the homeowner gets in a situation where they were legally lawfully defending
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their home. They had no knowledge that this was law enforcement, no reasona
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believe it was law enforcement. Law enforcement, on the other hand, had
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a valid warrant, knocked and announced it's on camera. Whatever they go in,
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they waited a reasonable period of time. They go in and somebody starts
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shooting at them, and they shoot back. So now you have an untenable
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situation where neither one of them is going to be criminally charged because both of
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them were in the right. The problem being that in that situation, because
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of your training and any number of other things tactically that come into play,
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like equipment and so forth, the homeowner is going to be the one that
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ends up dead. Well in law enforcement is there are a lot of law
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enforcement officers every year that are injured, particularly inat, in SWAT situations that
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are serving warrants. It happens. It happens absolutely with all the gear in
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the world. I mean, I run a team. I don't want to
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put my guys to a door where the person's armed and it's potentially violent.
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There's no reason to be in a hurry. And I've always differed with some
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of my partners in law enforcement is that I don't think flushing a little bit
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of weed is all that important. I mean, if I can't if you
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haven't been able to make the case before you go in the house, if
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you don't have enough to arrest that person, enough evidence to prosecute the case
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before you go in the house, you really need to think rethink your case.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't go there to collect evidence, because you should,
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but you know there's ways to handle that stuff. I mean, if
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your whole case hinges on the evidence that you're going to find in the house,
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we'll catch them while they're not in the house, and then the house
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is empt there, and then go serve the warrant on the house, which
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you can do. They don't have to be in it. Sure, So,
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I mean, you know there's there's When I was younger, you know,
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I was part of the swat I was part of the tool the sledge
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Hammer, that was the swat team, that is that tactical unit. I
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have that train and I still do that training. I mean I'm all for
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it. I think there's a huge role in absolute necessity for us to have
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in a community. However, not every nail needs a sledge hammer. Sometimes
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it takes a smaller you know, you just have to use the proportionately to
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scale. What would you say, because there's the other side that we've talked
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about off air, and that is the person that is the subject of an
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investigation, and whether they think they're should be arrested or charged is irrelevant.
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They're in that area of gray where they're doing things on the edge. They
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should know people people know when they're doing something wrong. You know, you
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listen, you know, I I speak my mind very openly. You know,
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we have FFLs, we have businesses, we have I've been in law
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enforcement. I know what the laws are. You know. I constantly am
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reevaluating my situation to make sure that I'm not doing anything wrong. But you
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know what, sometimes the government can be you know, they want to make
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an example. And sometimes I actually think about the fact that what if they
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wanted to make an example of us one day and they wanted to hinge on
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some little minor thing that we didn't think was of any real consequence. You
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know, what what I do you know, and what I tell law enforcement
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is sometimes knocking on the door and saying, hey man, we want to
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talk is a better way to take someone into custody than it is to show
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up at four o'clock in the morning. Sometimes you've got to go at four
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or five six o'clock in the morning, and sometimes you got to not really
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loud, and sometimes you got to kick in a door, and sometimes you're
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going to have to get in a fight to deal with some people. But
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not everybody is that person, you know, and it's hard to but there's
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a lot of people that make those decisions. It takes a strong boss to
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tell your team, no, we're not going to do it that way.
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Sure, I used to hate it when they told us that. A couple
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more segments, we'll get to a couple of emails that we've received in your
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questions, But first I promised a couple of stories. One very notable story
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at a mall in Sydney stabbing that left seven people dead at a shopping mall.
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Guy just went nuts, just went on a rampage and it was near
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Sydney before an armed police officer ended it. Just a few weeks later,
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at a church in Sydney, another stabbing of a priest. Worshippers of the
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church service were attacked as well, again knife wielding. We could talk all
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day long about how Australia's made this possible by not allowing its citizens to be
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armed. Instead, I'd like to ask you to revisit something we've talked about
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off and on over the years, because we are seeing more incidents of stabbings.
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How does one best defend oneself when someone's with it has a knife.
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Run right distance, run so they can't shoot. They can't stab you from
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thirty yards away. They can stab you. They have to be up close
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and personal. Okay, So somebody's coming at So first off, if you
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can get away, get away, because that'll now if you can't outrun them,
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all right, and that's very likely a possibility, he says, staring
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straight at me. Well, I'm just saying I don't run that fast either,
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But you haven't seen me scared native exactly right. Even if you're just
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run in the cover, you need to go. But not everybody can,
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all right, So get away if you can. But there again, you've
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got children, You've got you know, grandchildren, any number of situations,
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so you can't run, So pick up a chair or something, a table,
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something that you can put between you and them to keep them in arm's
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length, you know, so that they're swinging their arm and they're gonna do
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a lot less damage if you've got something that's blocking between you and them.
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Jump over a counter, you know, and if you're in a mall or
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something, jump over the counter, get on the other side of the counter.
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They're gonna look for easy targets typically unless they're targeting you specifically, you
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know, throw stuff in front of them, get something to put between you
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and them. There are two victims want to I want to address quickly here,
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the ones that we're talking about now that are not armed and those that
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are armed. Are the protocols any different for someone that's carrying a firearm in
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terms of how to best address the situation, which you mean, somebody's trying
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to stab me and I got a gun. Well, I mean there's well
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it's an easy answer, yeah, I know, but but I'm going to
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translate that to then what do you do to prepare at the range in that
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situation? Because, as you said, this is almost this is always going
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to be a close quarters attack right, and they're not always going to announce
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that they're going to do it. A person with a knife can do a
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lot of damage in a hurry. Yes, and we have you know,
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the law enforcement uses a twenty one foot rule, you know whatever, where
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you know for you to and that's from a duty holster, where someone who
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has a knife can charge you from twenty one feet away and put that knife
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in you before you can draw and fire, assuming that the when you fire,
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they're going to stop. And that's not always the case. So someone
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with a knife is very dangerous. So if someone has a knife and they're
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threatening you, and if your gun's not out pointing at them, and you're
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back not backing away and putting something between the two of you, go around
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the table, something that they would have to clear a hurdle or get around
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to. You need distance, cover, barricade, something to you know,
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you don't have to necessarily have to draw and shoot them, but you need
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to be putting something, a car, something between you and them in order
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to keep them from being able to get to you. And if they come
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at they're threatening you with a knife, a reasonable person would believe that that
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person's trying to harm you with that knife. Deadly force is authorized, but
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you're the ones got to live with it, so you know how fast do
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you want to use it? Forty one minutes after the our final segment here
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Charlie Strickland again tellanrange dot com great place to go to get your training and
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to practice skills that could save your life. Obviously, Charlie, this goes
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back to fundamental number one, which you, JD and I have discussed at
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nauseum, and that is situational awareness. Being aware of the people that are
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around you, noticing what might be in their hand, what they're reaching for.
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If someone were to go to the range and want to better prepare for
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this type of scenario, we're talking about, what's the best way to do
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it well? In knife defense of some do you go back to your drawing
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from the holster, whatever concealment and method you use. Just going out and
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putting on an outside of wastepand holster and drawing from that is useless unless you're
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carrying an outside of wastepand holster. It amazes me how many people buy guns
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walk out the door with a gun, no holster, no magazine, nothing,
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They just take the gun and go I'm reckon, I'm gonna figure it
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out later on with the perfect place is right there. So you can purchase
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something from us hopefully, or wherever you buy your guns at, but you
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really should go ahead and outfit that thing with some at least in some way
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fashion as you can go train with it. So drawing from concealment. If
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you're a lady and you carry a purse, you want to draw from that
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purse. If you're a guide, you know, carrying appendix, or if
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you're a woman carrying appendix, or you for some reason select to go with
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an ankle holster for some odd reason. You know, that's never a good
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place to carry your first gun, right, you know, second gun maybe,
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uh, pocket holster whatever, you want to work from that, and
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you want to work, and we do a comply, distract, react,
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drill. You know something we put on you too many years ago, and
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we still to comply. Someone's trying to do something to you. Comply,
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act like you're not a threat, Distract them, point the other way,
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get them to the officer. Officer, he's got you know, a knife,
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he's got a gun. And to get them to look somewhere else.
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Step off line so that you're not where they last saw you when they look
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away, and then draw your pistol and engage. When I say engage,
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I mean pull the trigger and you know, a drill like that, or
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at least standing in front of a target, going from the hole, getting
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to the concealed pistol, presenting the firearm and engaging. Maybe even not when
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the sites are all the way up on target, but once you point towards
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the target, make sure your support side of hand is out of the way
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because if you had to lift your shirt or hold a purse or a bag
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or something, you want to still maintain control of that. And a lot
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of times this is going to be one handed shooting, but you want to
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be able to hit the target from three to five seven feet away, you
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know, and you can do that without actually aiming most of the time,
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because it's like pointing your finger at somebody. If you in the practice this
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basically make your weapon safe and sit in your car in the driveway when the
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neighbors aren't watching, or in your car port where nobody can see you,
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or in your living room or at the reins or whatever, and stand in
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your living room, make your weapon safe, take all the amo out of
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it, work the slide, make sure it's safe, and then look at
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something across the room or ten five feet away, something close. Just look
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at it, close your eyes, point your gun at it, open your
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eyes and see if the pistols actually pointed at that item, would it hit
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that based on your alignment, and then work on that skill set. That
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just a little learning point shooting to some degree, but your body's pretty good
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at aligning things. You can close your eyes, point your finger at something,
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open your eyes, and it's pointed at that thing because your brain knows
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where your body is a relationship to other things. Same thing with a pistol.
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That's why you want a pistol that you are very in tune with,
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that you've shot enough to where you know which way it's pointing. Because under
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a critical incident stress and that's those when split seconds matter. You know,
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drawing and pointing and pulling the trigger that first round or two is the most
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important thing in the world. At that point in time, you've elected to
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send something down range to stop someone, it needs to go where it belongs
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and in a close quarter fight, side alignment, stance, grip, all
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those things breath control. None of that matters. It is getting the weapon
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pointed in the right direction and pulling the trigger. You have two choices.
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Either stick around for a very brief final segment to answer the email questions,
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or you dictate answer and I send them by an email. I got nowhere
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to go, Okay, I was just you know, hey, I gotta
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go to work, said, he might get mad. It may be late.
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I'm always late, so it'd be surprised I'm actually there today. Back
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one more segment with Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group. We're going to
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get to your questions. And first Patrick wrote in and asked about a specific
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Florida Statute seventy nine dot three three Field of Regulation of Firearms and Ammunition.
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Does it invalidate a given counties requirement that all firearms sales on property accessible to
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the public require an NICs background check. Yeah, seven ninety thirty three actually
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pre empts all local ordinances related to the field of firearms, and by that
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it says it invalidates all local ordinances related to anything to do with firearms.
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Now, there may be some exceptions in there as it relates to commerce.
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Sometimes the state will leave a little bit open for you know, being able
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to determine where FFLs are and FFL related activity. But on its face,
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just a quick read of the first part of that chapter, it invalidates LeAnn
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County's local But it won't be the first time. At tallass here, Leanne
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County had a law that's still on the books, like discharging a fireman in
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the city limits. Even though that's perfectly legal by state law, and you
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can't enforce that, it's still sometimes they carry those things on the books,
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So I mean, that's not an enforced ordinance anyway. Second question came from
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Roger who asked, does federal law enforcement have to comply with state law or
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could federal law enforcement still authorize a no knock warrant in Florida? Okay,
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So the way it works is you have local law enforcement who will assist federal
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agencies serving federal warrants, and you have federal agencies that will assist local agencies
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serving local warrants, well Florida warrants. In Florida, the government, the
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federal government can't exempt the local agency from the no knock requirement. The county
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agency or the city agency helping the government the federal government exercise a federal warrant.
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A federal warrant can still be authorized as no knock and would allow them
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to have a no knock warrant. So if ATF or DEA or one of
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the FBI showed up and they said, we have a warrant, it's no
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knock. You know, we need y'all to help us, local could still
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go there and be the first ones in the door based on the facts of
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federal warrant. You know. It's then you get into agency policies and rules
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and liability concerns and all that. But yeah, technically sure, I would
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ask you what's coming up this weekend on Talent Outdoors, but I know better
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than to do that because you won't know till you start talking. I don't
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know. We're going to try to get a good friend of ours in on
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the show and talk about gathering and survival, hoping to have a guest Billy
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Bailey on the show. It's gonna If not this week, would be the
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next week. But thanks, it's going to be a good, good move
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for us. We're picking up some more subject matter expertise. Thanks for coming
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in. Yeah, thank you. Charlie Stricklin of the Talent Training Group s