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Sharri | 6 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening. Welcome to the show tonight. Victory for Tim
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Speaker 3: Wilson after teals Zoe Daniels celebrated a win in Goldstein
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Speaker 3: far too early. We'll bring you the latest on the
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Speaker 3: nail biteing count in Minnie Ryan's seed of Couyong and
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Speaker 3: Adam Bank's seat of Melbourne. Exciting news tonight with Ray Hadley.
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Speaker 3: He's got a big announcement to make on the show.
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Speaker 3: We might just be dragging him out of retirement, so
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Speaker 3: don't miss that. He'll be on the desk live to
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Speaker 3: celebrate his new move and commiserate the election result. And
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Speaker 3: nine chair Catherine West is ducking for cover over what
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Speaker 3: the board knew about a seven hundred thousand dollars hush
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Speaker 3: money payment to silence a witness. That's in a moment
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Speaker 3: also tonight, should the ABC have told authorities about where
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Speaker 3: a wanted criminal was hiding when they interviewed him in Turkey?
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Speaker 3: And Donald Trump signs one of the most important executive
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Speaker 3: orders of his presidency. Perhaps it's one I played a
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Speaker 3: small role in influencing, certainly been campaigning for it. That's
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Speaker 3: later in the show. But First nine is tonight under
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Speaker 3: pressure over revelations the media company paid seven hundred thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars in hush money to stop a witness making damning
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Speaker 3: allegations that their network had access to the private emails
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Speaker 3: of war hero Ben Roberts Smith. Nine chair Katherine Westwards
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Speaker 3: ducking for cover today when asked what the board knew
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Speaker 3: about this secret payment to cover up a scandal.
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Speaker 4: This is the chairwoman of nine Entertainment this morning, Catherine
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Speaker 4: west Camera shy and silent, Catherine, did you sign off
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Speaker 4: on hush money payments? Did you sign off on those payments?
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Speaker 4: Stand by Nick McKenzie's reporting. Did you sign off on
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Speaker 4: the seven hundred thousand hush money payments?
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Speaker 3: Catherine?
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Speaker 4: Why are you avoiding us? Has nine made other payments
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Speaker 4: to keep people quiet?
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Speaker 3: In this case, Nine isn't speaking publicly and he's trying
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Speaker 3: to shut down this story with legal threats. But I
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Speaker 3: can tonight reveal that a top newspaper executive was in
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Speaker 3: the inner circle involved in the secret seven hundred thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars hush money payment to stop a witness speaking out
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Speaker 3: about alleged misbehavior by reporter Nick McKenzie. Nine paid the
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Speaker 3: money and asked a woman to sign an NDA to
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Speaker 3: stop her from speaking. There was also a highly damaging
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Speaker 3: audio when McKenzie admitted to having access to part of
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Speaker 3: Ben Roberts Smith's legal strategy and where he said he'd
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Speaker 3: breached his own ethics. Now we understand that a senior
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Speaker 3: figure at the Nine newspapers knew of the payment at
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Speaker 3: the time it occurred. With knowledge of such payments say
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Speaker 3: it would have required approval from either the chief executive
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Speaker 3: or NINES board. The payment, which is under an agreement
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Speaker 3: with a confidentiality clause, was made shortly before the Victoria
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Speaker 3: Cross recipient's appeal against Nine started, and it prevented the
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Speaker 3: damning allegations from being raised in public and potentially forming
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Speaker 3: part of the appeal. Robert Smith's lawyers today told me
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Speaker 3: they that had they known about the audio recording and
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Speaker 3: the payment, it would have certainly been included in that appeal.
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Speaker 3: Black Bay Lawyers set in a statement until the audio
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Speaker 3: recording was received on fifteenth of March twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 3: neither the appellent nor his legal team had any knowledge
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Speaker 3: of Person seventeen's allegations of misconduct, namely that Nick mackenzie
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Speaker 3: had had access to the appellants privileged and confidential legal
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Speaker 3: strategy during the trial. Had the appellan been aware of
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Speaker 3: Person seventeen's allegations in twenty twenty three, as it seems
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Speaker 3: to nine was the allegations would have formed part of
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Speaker 3: the substantive two week appeal heard before the Full Court
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Speaker 3: in February last year. They said, this is a matter
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Speaker 3: which goes to the heart of our justice system and
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Speaker 3: the right of all individuals in this country to a
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Speaker 3: fair trial. So that's Ben Robertsmith's lawyers, and that's a
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Speaker 3: key point. This is a matter which goes to the
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Speaker 3: heart of our justice system and the right of all
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Speaker 3: individuals to a fair trial. Now, the woman who'd had
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Speaker 3: an affair with Robert Smith emailed Tory Maguire, who was
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Speaker 3: then executive of The Herald and the Age, and nine's
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Speaker 3: lawyer Lorena Alec in March twenty twenty three, writing, I
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Speaker 3: also know these women were passing on cidential and privileged
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Speaker 3: information to Nick as far back as mid to late
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty What are you going to do when all
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Speaker 3: of that comes out to the judge? What are you
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Speaker 3: going to do when all of that comes out to
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Speaker 3: the judge and She also claimed in that email there'd
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Speaker 3: been a behind the scenes corrupting of the process. She said,
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Speaker 3: if you have to lie in cheat to win, then
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Speaker 3: you shouldn't be playing the game at all. So, just
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Speaker 3: to repeat there, the claim is that Nine paid off
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Speaker 3: a witness to stop damning allegations emerging, including that Nine
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Speaker 3: had gained access to part of Ben Robertsmith's privileged legal
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Speaker 3: strategy from his own emails. The witness as a claim
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Speaker 3: that mackenzie had treated her in such a way that
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Speaker 3: caused her mental distress. There are questions about what action
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Speaker 3: nine took to investigate the journalistic, ethical, and legal conduct
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Speaker 3: of its team, because in the secret recording McKenzie described
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Speaker 3: this as a breach of his own ethics.
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Speaker 5: No, I shouldn't tell you I've just breached my ethics
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Speaker 5: and doing that like this is where like this is
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Speaker 5: probably sheep position there if they knew.
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Speaker 3: That I paid, he knew that. I asked nine questions
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Speaker 3: about whether they conducted their own investigation into the allegations
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Speaker 3: raised by Person seventeen that led to this seven hundred
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars payment, And I asked them also who authorized
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Speaker 3: this payment, who signed off on it? But nine has
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Speaker 3: refused to answer questions, and its chair Katherine West ran
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Speaker 3: away from the cameras today when she was confronted about
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Speaker 3: this scandal.
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Speaker 4: This is the chairwoman of nine Entertainment this morning, Katherine West,
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Speaker 4: camera shy and silent, Catherine, did you sign off on
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Speaker 4: hush money payments? Did you sign off on those payments?
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Speaker 4: Do you stand by Nick mackenzie's reporting? Did you sign
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Speaker 4: off on the seven hundred thousand hush money payments?
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Speaker 3: Catherine?
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Speaker 4: Why are you avoiding us? Has Nine made other payments
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Speaker 4: to keep people quiet in this case?
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Speaker 3: Well, the evidence is mounting that nine had access to
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Speaker 3: Robert Smith's privileged legal strategy from his emails. This evidence
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Speaker 3: now includes Telster records that show Danielle Scott that's Ben,
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Speaker 3: Robert Smith's ex wife's Emma's close friend, Telster records that
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Speaker 3: show Danielle Scott accessed his email account one hundred and
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Speaker 3: one times, an admission from Emma Roberts that his email
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Speaker 3: account was accessed in relation to their marriage proceedings. It
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Speaker 3: has also emerged that nine had access to emails about
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Speaker 3: person seventeen. Robert Smith says one email from his lawyer
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Speaker 3: was flagged and already read when he opened his account.
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Speaker 3: Daniel Scott tipped off Nick McKenzie in a text message
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Speaker 3: the Ben Robert Smith's lawyer and Monica Allen, was about
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Speaker 3: to write to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions about
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Speaker 3: one of his tweets, and she said to him in
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Speaker 3: another message that it was better to be on the
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Speaker 3: front foot and know what they were planning, and that
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Speaker 3: he owed her to beers. There's also the audio recording
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Speaker 3: where mackenzie says that he had been briefed on Robert
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Speaker 3: Smith's legal strategy or part of it. Here's that specific
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Speaker 3: admission that was caught on tape.
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Speaker 6: Let go Yet again, you wrote the movies himself.
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Speaker 7: Definitely, they came actively.
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Speaker 5: Briefing us on his leadership to you respected you writ
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Speaker 5: with his piece, and yet we're not learning about We
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Speaker 5: anticipated most of it.
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Speaker 8: One or two things.
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Speaker 3: Now we know every which is helpful.
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Speaker 5: But at the point there Rene told you that is
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Speaker 5: to say, like, you know, we've got this and and
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Speaker 5: they're not hostile to ye, despite your worst fears, they're not.
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Speaker 3: Veteran Heston Russell, who won his own case against the ABC,
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Speaker 3: told me last night he was appalled by the tactics
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Speaker 3: used against Ben Robert Smith, and how.
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Speaker 9: These journalists being allowed to conduct these actions in order
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Speaker 9: to throw Australia's most decorated soldier under the bus and
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Speaker 9: try and scrubb all the rest of it under the table.
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Speaker 9: So I think the Nine board has a lot to
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Speaker 9: answer to the Australian public. My personal experience of what
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Speaker 9: I'm seeing now with Ben goes to show that there
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Speaker 9: are elements of the Australian media who are happy to
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Speaker 9: throw the rule book of ethics out the window when
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Speaker 9: it comes to trying to pursue Australia's most decorated people
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Speaker 9: who went to war and fought for this country and
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Speaker 9: fought for these rights that were meant to be defending
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Speaker 9: in our courts.
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Speaker 3: So now the pressure is mounting on nine to explain
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Speaker 3: why it paid hush money and asked a witness to
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Speaker 3: sign an NDA in what Robert Smith claims impacted on
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Speaker 3: his right to a fair hearing. Now, last night a
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Speaker 3: former Biki gang member working for the ABC flew to
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Speaker 3: Turkey to interview the man police claim was behind the
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Speaker 3: caravan terra plot. Now, this is the man who on
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Speaker 3: social media made highly anti Semitic comments. He's hiding from
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Speaker 3: Australian authorities. He fled the country, but then he agreed
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Speaker 3: to meet an ABC journalist who doesn't appear to have
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Speaker 3: told police about his location. Now, this journalist, Mummled Fuzzle,
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Speaker 3: is a former outlaw BIKI gang member turned reporter. He's
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Speaker 3: been the subject of an expose by journalist Kate McClymont
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Speaker 3: who alleged that he'd passed on menacing messages from an
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Speaker 3: organized crime gang to journalists. And he now works at
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Speaker 3: the ABC. And he sat down with the man who
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Speaker 3: is called sayeta Aka, who admitted to telling authorities about
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Speaker 3: the caravan with explosives, and he said in the interview
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Speaker 3: that there were detonators inside the caravan originally, but he
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Speaker 3: had them removed.
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Speaker 8: He does admit he took charge of the caravan's movements
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Speaker 8: and he decided where to leave it.
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Speaker 7: I actually picked a juryl and I just told the
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Speaker 7: driver that I had intercepted to do the seizure off
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Speaker 7: to just put it in a safe spot that we
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Speaker 7: selected off that map. My clear instruction was to make
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Speaker 7: sure this is not going to explode. So he says
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Speaker 7: he instructed the driver to remove the detonators from.
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Speaker 8: The van.
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Speaker 3: Sayet Akka also admitted to hiring a man to damp
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Speaker 3: to dump the caravan of explosives. You just heard some
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Speaker 3: of that there, but claimed he only intercepted the caravan
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Speaker 3: to prevent a crime from taking place. Here's that part.
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Speaker 7: I didn't organize the caravan. I just organized the seizure
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Speaker 7: of it. There's so many ways this could go wrong.
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Speaker 7: What if the wrong agency found it and it had
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Speaker 7: the deadonators read to go, I'd have a terrorism judge
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Speaker 7: when I was actually just trying to get this stuff
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Speaker 7: off the street to be able to go back home.
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Speaker 3: But he denied having anything to do with the anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism crisis across Sydney. Police alleged he was behind all
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Speaker 3: of those attacks that plagued the Jewish community, including the
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Speaker 3: fire bombing of a childcare center, the vandalism on Alex
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Speaker 3: Rifchin's former home, and also the attempt at arson of
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Speaker 3: the Newtown Synagogue. But Aka claims this is all untrue.
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Speaker 3: Now you'll recall that when police came out and said
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Speaker 3: this caravan plot was fake, was a hoax, and they
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Speaker 3: effectively downplayed the whole anti Semitism crisis. Or after that,
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Speaker 3: I looked into the story, and I reported that there
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Speaker 3: was a political push from the Albanese government behind this.
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Speaker 3: The Albanese government pressured police to publicly state that the
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Speaker 3: caravan plot was not a terror related incident. This was
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Speaker 3: despite the risk of jeopardizing the investigation, which was ongoing
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Speaker 3: with suspects still under surveillance and arrests yet to be made.
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Speaker 3: Multiple sources involved in the joint counter terror investigation told
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Speaker 3: me there was a push from the Albanese government to
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Speaker 3: get the caravan HOAPX narrative into the public domain before
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Speaker 3: the federal election, so that messaging was highly political. Well
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Speaker 3: say it aka. Last night in this four corner story,
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Speaker 3: he showed messages text messages that he said were from
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Speaker 3: his handler at the aff where they also blamed politics
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Speaker 3: for that press conference.
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Speaker 10: The AFP's working with local and overseas law enforcement officials
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Speaker 10: in our bid to have all of those responsible brought
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Speaker 10: to justice.
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Speaker 8: Sa Akah was feeling the heat, but says his AFP
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Speaker 8: handlers were reassuring him, it's been a.
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Speaker 10: Rough couple of days. There's a few things going at
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Speaker 10: the moment that we need to work through on our end.
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Speaker 10: Your safety has been our priority from the start. What
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Speaker 10: has happened in the media is out of our control.
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Speaker 10: As you would appreciate, this is very political.
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Speaker 8: Trying to listen to the circus, give us a couple
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Speaker 8: of days to let the dust settle.
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Speaker 3: Very political, and the political strategy worked. The Albernezi government
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Speaker 3: was able to shut down any claims that there was
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Speaker 3: a genuine antisemitism crisis here in Australia right before the
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Speaker 3: federal election campaign. But the question now is do you
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Speaker 3: believe this criminal that he had nothing to do with
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Speaker 3: the antisemitic attacks and only intercepted the caravan of explosives,
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Speaker 3: or do you believe the AFP that he is ultimately
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Speaker 3: the asked mind behind the summer of antisemitism. Well, unless
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Speaker 3: police are able to catch him and present more evidence,
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Speaker 3: perhaps will never know. And of course it seems that
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Speaker 3: they that had they been assisted in the effort by
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Speaker 3: their AFP, they might have been able to catch him.
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Speaker 3: But it doesn't appear that the ABC assisted in telling
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Speaker 3: authorities where in the world say it AKA was. They
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Speaker 3: found the criminal, they interviewed him, they gave police nothing.
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Speaker 3: It seems this is quite the ethical dilemma one would
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Speaker 3: have thought. Now among the A list celebrities at the
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Speaker 3: met Gala in New York today was one familiar face
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Speaker 3: to Australians. Billionaire Anthony Pratt. The Cardboard King, paid homage
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Speaker 3: to the company his father started Visy wearing a very
15:54
Speaker 3: on brand, very green suit and if you look closely,
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Speaker 3: it says one hundred percent recycled printed on it. He
16:03
Speaker 3: also had a top hat and cain as he walked
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Speaker 3: the blue carpet to the fashion event of the year.
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Speaker 3: The theme was tailored for you. Now, it wasn't Anthony
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Speaker 3: Pratt's first Met Gala, of course, here he was last
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Speaker 3: year making a similar fashion statement. Now it's been a
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Speaker 3: busy few months for Anthony Pratt, who recently pledged seven
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Speaker 3: point eight Australian billion dollars into America's manufacturing sector in
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Speaker 3: his bid to help America make America greater again. And
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Speaker 3: it's no wonder Donald Trump called him a personal friend
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Speaker 3: just a few days ago.
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Speaker 11: Executive Global Chairman of Pratt Industries. Friend of mine, Anthony Pratt.
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Speaker 11: He's investing five billion dollars.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Anthony, and Anthony just a few
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Speaker 3: months ago, joined Trump and Millennia at Mara Lago. But
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Speaker 3: his outfit on that occasion wasn't quite as colorful. All right,
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Speaker 3: let's bring in tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House
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Speaker 3: Broman Bishop and former Labor minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to
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Speaker 3: you both. Well, let's start by talking about what's got
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Speaker 3: to be some good news, at least since the weekend,
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Speaker 3: that the tide is turning against the Teals, with Zoe
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Speaker 3: Daniel losing her seat of Goldstein to Liberals Tim Wilson,
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Speaker 3: and this after she already declared victory on Saturday night.
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Speaker 3: She's not quite titanium, is she. Maybe she's going to
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Speaker 3: settle for silver medal instead. Now. Minnick Ryding Ku Young
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Speaker 3: is also struggling to hold onto her lead against Emilia Hamer,
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Speaker 3: who looks like she may just pick up the traditional
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Speaker 3: blue ribbon street And of course Adam Bant is also
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Speaker 3: fighting to hold onto his seat in Melbourne. The Labor
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Speaker 3: candidate is ahead. These counts are still ongoing. They're taking
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Speaker 3: their time at the AEC, so hopefully we'll have an
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Speaker 3: outcome on some of these seats tomorrow. They need to
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Speaker 3: get some more vote counter as that, so this would
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Speaker 3: be if there is a loss of at least one
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Speaker 3: TiAl seat we know of this would be a silver
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Speaker 3: lining at least.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's every possibility that we can maintain Bradfield, that
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Speaker 12: Kuyong may flip. The question is what happens to the
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Speaker 12: absent votes, which usually favor the left of politics, whereas
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Speaker 12: the postal votes favor the Liberal party. And there are
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Speaker 12: always many more postal votes and there are absent te votes,
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Speaker 12: But it's how far you are ahead by the time
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Speaker 12: the absentee's come in to see which way it will go.
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Speaker 12: But I'm very hopeful that the so called teal representation
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Speaker 12: will be halved.
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Speaker 3: At least some of them.
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Speaker 13: And to see Adam Bradam, to see him go would
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Speaker 13: be justice.
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Speaker 12: I only ever got there because of liberal preferences, and
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Speaker 12: to take liberal preferences away and see him lose would
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Speaker 12: be justice.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, well, I think this is something that liberal should
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Speaker 3: do in all elections, perhaps absolutely green. Last, now, Richo,
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Speaker 3: what do you think do you think we are going
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Speaker 3: to see Adam Bant lose his seat and what do
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Speaker 3: you think is behind this rejection of the Greens?
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Speaker 1: Well, first off, there'll be many a dry eye if
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Speaker 1: he does lose his seat.
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Speaker 14: I don't think there there'll be too many people weeping
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Speaker 14: at that loss, and I certainly won't be. When you
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Speaker 14: look at why what's happened with the Greens. They basically
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Speaker 14: get ten percent of the vote every election. It might
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Speaker 14: have got one percent or down, but it never varies
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Speaker 14: much and so once they get to a seat like Melbourne,
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Speaker 14: that's not giving themselves much cover.
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Speaker 1: And you know, so if the swing's on, they're going
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Speaker 1: to go.
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Speaker 14: And obviously with Sarah why she's done particularly well. I
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Speaker 14: can't see how she'll get pigged back or a postal
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Speaker 14: votes or anything else.
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Speaker 3: Well I heard that she barely even campaigned and she
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Speaker 3: wasn't given any resources or funding by the Labor Party.
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Speaker 3: You know, it was just an underresourced campaign. I mean
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Speaker 3: you imagine if they actually would have put proper funding
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Speaker 3: into that. Now, Brodman, we're seeing Liberal donors, including billionaire
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Speaker 3: Robert Milner also stockbroker Angersaitkin, refuse to keep donating to
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Party unless they see change. This is a
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Speaker 3: story in the Australian newspaper today by Matt Kranston. Now
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Speaker 3: this isn't surprising Brunwin who would want to throw them?
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Speaker 3: They're hard earned millions of dollars at a party that's
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Speaker 3: in utter disarray.
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Speaker 12: Well, they're both sensible people and they certainly don't want
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Speaker 12: to see the Liberal Party disappear.
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Speaker 13: They want to see it function properly. And I watched
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Speaker 13: the language that was used.
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Speaker 12: It was quite nuanced language, I thought, and I certainly look,
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Speaker 12: I can simply say we've been here before, and well
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Speaker 12: we've had resurgence.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I was in that that might be quite
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Speaker 3: useful advice for you to Champron.
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Speaker 12: At the time, I was in the Houston campaign and
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Speaker 12: it felt like this last one. It really did, and
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Speaker 12: Houston was meant to win that election, of course, keating
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Speaker 12: on it with a big vote, eighty seven seats out
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Speaker 12: of a smaller parliament, big vote, and it to me
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Speaker 12: raises the question are very large majorities are blessing or
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Speaker 12: a curse? Because if you look at the way, and
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Speaker 12: I did, I just did a little little chart. If
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Speaker 12: you look at the way big majority suddenly get dashed,
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Speaker 12: you've got a much more difficult backbench handle, You've got
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Speaker 12: much more difficult issues to handle, and.
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Speaker 13: The voters seemed to turn against them.
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Speaker 12: So when Paul Ketty won with eighty seats, John Howard
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Speaker 12: next time got ninety four seats, but his then majority
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Speaker 12: went down to eighty because of the GST. He got
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Speaker 12: lucky for the next two elections because we had the Tampa,
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Speaker 12: and believe me, we were on the nose in two
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Speaker 12: thousand and won and then the Tampa happened and we
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Speaker 12: got lucky again with Mark Latham in two thousand and four.
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Speaker 12: But in two thousand and seven incomes rud with eighty
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Speaker 12: three seats, and then he loses and goes out as
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Speaker 12: the two and so it goes.
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Speaker 13: It does move around, so don't ever write it off.
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Speaker 12: And we've got a million people who are willing to
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Speaker 12: have their say on what went wrong and what was
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Speaker 12: all terrible.
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Speaker 13: It was terrible. It didn't have a proper narrative.
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Speaker 12: It didn't spend the whole time talking about what we
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Speaker 12: would do to bring down the cost of living. When
23:02
Speaker 12: it came to the petrol halving of the tax on petrol,
23:05
Speaker 12: that was right because this was an ingredient, but it
23:07
Speaker 12: had to be spelt out how it would work and others,
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Speaker 12: and then talk about what was in the wings, what's
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Speaker 12: coming next if you re elect these people.
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Speaker 13: None of that was done.
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Speaker 3: But ruhman, I've got to get to richro So just
23:19
Speaker 3: a quick answer here, But we are looking at six
23:22
Speaker 3: years at least of labor. I mean, if they have
23:25
Speaker 3: ninety seats now, you can't win that and could pick
23:29
Speaker 3: up forty or so seats in three years time.
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Speaker 12: Paul Keaton would have said that in ninety three he
23:35
Speaker 12: would have thought he had two terms.
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Speaker 13: He didn't.
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Speaker 12: And when John Hard was re elected in two thousand
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Speaker 12: and four with that great big majority, he thought he
23:44
Speaker 12: was going to be there for another couple of terms too.
23:45
Speaker 12: He wasn't so predicting politics from when you cop it,
23:52
Speaker 12: and we did cop it. We cop they hiding and deservedly.
23:56
Speaker 12: So I have to say, but that doesn't mean to
23:59
Speaker 12: say that what the Liberal Party believes in and stands for,
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Speaker 12: and we need in this country a solid opposition. And
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Speaker 12: so it's a question of getting behind them, not saying, oh,
24:09
Speaker 12: I'm going to stand back and just cry out and
24:12
Speaker 12: say it's all too hard. And people who are committed
24:15
Speaker 12: to a course and want to see something. And Graham,
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Speaker 12: you've been there, like you've got to get back.
24:20
Speaker 10: In and.
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Speaker 3: You know, what are your reflections on what Bromwin just said.
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Speaker 1: I agree with much of what you just said. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be the case.
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Speaker 14: I think that you know, people are going to write
24:35
Speaker 14: terrible things about Peter Dutton and how he was a failure.
24:39
Speaker 14: But the failure is not just Peter Dutton. I mean
24:42
Speaker 14: there's a whole party here who went along with policy
24:47
Speaker 14: prescriptions at the MOB we're never going to wear. I
24:50
Speaker 14: think you know, you Broman have been around long enough.
24:53
Speaker 14: She knows what policies you can sell and what you can't.
24:57
Speaker 14: There's a limit to all of it. And I think
25:01
Speaker 14: she's as well qualified as anyone I know to listen them,
25:05
Speaker 14: and so you can bet that's what she was doing.
25:07
Speaker 14: But you know, Hubre's sometimes over Texas m And what
25:12
Speaker 14: do you.
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Speaker 3: Think, Richard, do you think we are looking at six
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Speaker 3: years of labor? Nine years of labor?
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Speaker 14: Now, I don't think anyone can ever predict nine years.
25:20
Speaker 14: I think that's that's going way over the top. But
25:23
Speaker 14: it would be given this lead, very hard to pick
25:26
Speaker 14: it back in one election. So it is a reasonable
25:30
Speaker 14: thing to say that Labour's got two in the bag
25:33
Speaker 14: for this. It's not as certainly, nothing is but in politics.
25:38
Speaker 14: But I'd have to say it's going to take a
25:40
Speaker 14: hell of an effort to beat Albo next time.
25:44
Speaker 3: And what about Albanize's cabinet, Richard, do you think he's
25:48
Speaker 3: gonna do a big reshuffle here? Who are you hearing
25:53
Speaker 3: that he's going to demote?
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't think that he's out to change too much,
26:02
Speaker 14: So it's not a matter of looking at who he
26:04
Speaker 14: wants to denote. I think he'd much prefer to take
26:07
Speaker 14: almost all of his ministry back. He doesn't want controversy,
26:11
Speaker 14: he doesn't want fights, he doesn't want drama.
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Speaker 1: He just wants continued smooth administration. What about delivering that?
26:18
Speaker 1: And he wants to keep delivering in that?
26:21
Speaker 3: Who do you think who'll be elevated then?
26:24
Speaker 14: Well, I'd hate to start nominating too many of them,
26:29
Speaker 14: But I think people like ed Husic should certainly be
26:37
Speaker 14: big time cabinet ministers up. Their roles should be increased
26:42
Speaker 14: because I think that they're very talented people. So I'd
26:46
Speaker 14: pick someone like him and say he should be advanced.
26:49
Speaker 14: Knowing but that headline labor factions fight over cabinet it
26:56
Speaker 14: was ever thus, you know, we always go to war
26:59
Speaker 14: over that.
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Speaker 1: But it'll settle quickly.
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Speaker 14: Anthony's now got so much power, so much respect, that
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Speaker 14: he'll basically get whatever he wants.
27:10
Speaker 13: He's going to be sensible.
27:11
Speaker 12: He knows anyone he sacks becomes an enemy, and when
27:14
Speaker 12: you've got a big back bench, you don't want enemies.
27:17
Speaker 13: So he'll want to have basically stability and what he's
27:20
Speaker 13: got now.
27:22
Speaker 3: Brum when just quickly before we go to we've got
27:24
Speaker 3: to move on, who do you think should be the
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Speaker 3: Liberal leader?
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Speaker 13: Now it's not a matter for me.
27:29
Speaker 12: I don't get a vote, and believe me, nobody in
27:32
Speaker 12: the party room would thank me for expressing a point
27:35
Speaker 12: of view because whatever comes out is going to be
27:38
Speaker 12: what the Liberal Party has to be behind to get
27:41
Speaker 12: in there, to get in there and fight for being
27:44
Speaker 12: holding the government two account as we always say.
27:47
Speaker 3: You know what, I think your words of wisdom are
27:50
Speaker 3: so good that I think you need to become an
27:51
Speaker 3: advisor to the Liberal Party, not just you know, then
27:55
Speaker 3: picking up what you say on Sky News, but I
27:57
Speaker 3: think you need to actually get in there and advise them,
27:59
Speaker 3: because they sure as hell needed at the moment. All right,
28:01
Speaker 3: from and Bishop Greg Richardson. Great to see you vote,
28:05
Speaker 3: Thank you. All right. Well let's return to our top story,
28:09
Speaker 3: well not our top story, but this big story that
28:11
Speaker 3: there's been a third arrest over the alleged anti Semitic
28:15
Speaker 3: attack on the former home of Alex Ripchin. A twenty
28:18
Speaker 3: five year old Bailey Coombs from your Mina on the
28:21
Speaker 3: Central Coast has been given bail. Police alleged the man
28:25
Speaker 3: was not present at the attack, but helped planet This,
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Speaker 3: of course, as we've been saying, was part of the
28:30
Speaker 3: multitude of attacks over summer. Sky New senior reporter Caroline
28:34
Speaker 3: Marcus has been covering this and she joins me now, Caroline,
28:38
Speaker 3: can you tell us some more details about this latest arrest.
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Speaker 2: Shari Police wooped on twenty five year old's Bailey Coombs
28:46
Speaker 2: at a home in your Minor Beach yesterday morning at
28:49
Speaker 2: about six thirty am.
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Speaker 6: They arrested him and charged.
28:53
Speaker 2: Him over his alleged role in this attack on the
28:57
Speaker 2: home of Alex Ripchin. They say he helped to mastermind
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Speaker 2: the attacks, so he wasn't physically present police say when
29:07
Speaker 2: the incident happened, but he helped to plan it.
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Speaker 6: Now they've charged him with two offenses.
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Speaker 2: The first is participating in a criminal group to contribute
29:18
Speaker 2: to criminal activity, and the second is accessory before the
29:22
Speaker 2: fact destroying property and company using fire of a value
29:26
Speaker 2: of more than five thousand dollars. Now accessory before the
29:29
Speaker 2: fact that clearly relates to the fact he policed alleged
29:34
Speaker 2: that he wasn't there, but he helped in the planning
29:37
Speaker 2: of this. Now our viewers will probably well recall this incident.
29:41
Speaker 2: It happened amid a backdrop of a summer of anti
29:45
Speaker 2: Semitic attacks, but it was particularly confronting because it appeared
29:49
Speaker 2: to be targeted on the home of a Jewish leader.
29:53
Speaker 2: Police arrived they'd been called in the middle of the
29:55
Speaker 2: night on January seventeen. They arrived to find four vehicles
29:59
Speaker 2: alive right two of them had been spray painted with
30:02
Speaker 2: anti Semitic graffiti, and two homes had been.
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Speaker 6: Splashed with bread paint.
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Speaker 2: It was particularly confronting and mister Ripton spoke about it
30:12
Speaker 2: at the time.
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Speaker 6: Now, as part of his bail conditions, because.
30:15
Speaker 2: He was released on conditional bail, mister Coombs's banned from
30:19
Speaker 2: traveling to Sydney's eastern suburbs, which are about an hour and.
30:23
Speaker 6: A half from where he lives.
30:24
Speaker 2: He also can't have any contact with the other two
30:28
Speaker 2: men who've been arrested and charged over this incident. They
30:32
Speaker 2: are Nicholas Alexander and Leon syphilis and he can't have
30:36
Speaker 2: any contact with them. And he also has to maintain
30:39
Speaker 2: a curfew of between ten pm and six am. And
30:43
Speaker 2: he'll appear in court later this month.
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Speaker 3: All right, Carolyn Marcus, thank you so much. Entrific reporting
30:48
Speaker 3: as always. Now still to come, Donald Trump signs one
30:51
Speaker 3: of his most important executive orders that I've personally been
30:55
Speaker 3: arguing for for years. And Ray Hadley is here with
30:59
Speaker 3: a big announce this meant time dragging him out of
31:01
Speaker 3: his retirement. That exciting news right after this quick break,
31:08
Speaker 3: welcome back. As you know, during the election campaign, Ray
31:12
Speaker 3: Hadley has joined me here every Tuesday night. Now we've
31:16
Speaker 3: got an announcer to make and raise back here. Now,
31:18
Speaker 3: it's not good news for your blood pressure, Ray, Your
31:20
Speaker 3: blood pressure was doing better every other day of the week.
31:24
Speaker 15: But my GP, my GP said that he watches this
31:27
Speaker 15: on a Tuesday night, doctor Jeff, and he said, you've
31:29
Speaker 15: got to come down a bit.
31:30
Speaker 3: You're getting one of it.
31:32
Speaker 15: But I've just had a discussion with management and I'm
31:36
Speaker 15: going to be back here every Tuesday night to talk
31:38
Speaker 15: to you. For one reason. I love what you do.
31:41
Speaker 15: I watch you when I'm not here, thank you. And
31:45
Speaker 15: even though I'm retired or semi retired, you know, just
31:48
Speaker 15: coming here on a Tuesday night and having am with
31:50
Speaker 15: you a better whole range of things keeps the mind active.
31:54
Speaker 3: You are the absolute best in the business. I'm so
31:57
Speaker 3: grateful and honored to have you on the show permanently
31:59
Speaker 3: every Tuesday. Thank you so much for being part of
32:02
Speaker 3: it from now on. So there you go. Great Hadley
32:04
Speaker 3: joining our program as a permanent regular every Tuesday night.
32:08
Speaker 3: Wonderful news. I know you're all loving it at all. Right,
32:12
Speaker 3: Ray commiserations. Now what a shocking result.
32:15
Speaker 15: Well, who would have guessed that, Well, not even the
32:20
Speaker 15: opinion polls, not even Labor. I think it caught them
32:24
Speaker 15: by surprise. I noticed rich ow on earlier and he
32:26
Speaker 15: was saying there was still a way forward for the
32:28
Speaker 15: Liberal Party prior to the election, and of course he's
32:30
Speaker 15: absolutely delighted with the victory for his beloved Labor Party.
32:33
Speaker 13: And his comrades there.
32:34
Speaker 15: But look, I've got to congratulate Anthony Albanezi and say
32:37
Speaker 15: about the Liberal election and the way they conducted themselves,
32:42
Speaker 15: I'm still scratching my head. We talked about it every
32:44
Speaker 15: Tuesday night, for five weeks about the missteps, and it
32:47
Speaker 15: seemed to be very much ad hoc on the run.
32:51
Speaker 15: And I've said before I like Peter Dutton. I think
32:53
Speaker 15: he's a really decent feller. Like yeah, but you know,
32:56
Speaker 15: I don't think he should shoulder all the responsibly. There
32:59
Speaker 15: needs to be a bit of research into what went
33:02
Speaker 15: wrong and how it went wrong. You can't go from
33:03
Speaker 15: being in such a powerful position before Christmas to getting lapped.
33:09
Speaker 15: And it's eighty seven. They're going to creep to forty
33:11
Speaker 15: by the little but it may forty one or forty two.
33:13
Speaker 15: But I mean if anyone had suggested that prior to
33:16
Speaker 15: the election, particularly before they called it, they would have
33:19
Speaker 15: had the straight jacket out and put you in a
33:20
Speaker 15: straighter said no, they can't get to eighty seven.
33:22
Speaker 1: The other mob can't just get the forty or forty one.
33:24
Speaker 15: It'll be much closer than that. And well it's not
33:27
Speaker 15: the only thing they've got this over warming majority in
33:31
Speaker 15: the lower House. They'll need to do a bit of
33:32
Speaker 15: bartering and horse trading.
33:34
Speaker 3: In the Senate with the Greens or the coali Ish.
33:36
Speaker 15: Yeah, I say to you Charlie and Adam Bant, Well
33:41
Speaker 15: it's on a knife sedge there for him, and I'd
33:43
Speaker 15: be happy to see him out of politics for a
33:45
Speaker 15: whole range of reasons. But then you look at who
33:47
Speaker 15: may be the leader of the Greens, Sarah Henson Young.
33:50
Speaker 8: Maybe bet anything.
33:51
Speaker 3: Well, the deputy leader in the Senate is Marine Feruki.
33:53
Speaker 3: You know, she's the one who stood next to that
33:55
Speaker 3: sign with the Jews getting in the bed.
33:57
Speaker 15: Yeah, that would not be good. But anyway, but I
34:01
Speaker 15: can't understand the fascination with the Teals. I really can't.
34:04
Speaker 15: Nikola Buller made more mistakes than anyone was entitled to
34:07
Speaker 15: make in the lead up to what was happening in Bradfield,
34:09
Speaker 15: and she's narrowly in front, allthough the claims coming from
34:12
Speaker 15: the Liberals that they might grab it through postal votes
34:16
Speaker 15: and then Saphey scomps either word. James Brown was a
34:21
Speaker 15: reasonable choice, former army officer, and.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think he is a good candidate.
34:26
Speaker 15: Yeah, I thought he was a very good candidate. Isn't
34:28
Speaker 15: any red close? And then you've got Andrew Constance down south.
34:31
Speaker 15: He's like last week's pay, He's gone. He's had two
34:33
Speaker 15: shots at the Senate, and I think two shots at
34:36
Speaker 15: the Lower House and unsuccessful every time.
34:38
Speaker 3: He's got to move on. Now clearly people don't want
34:41
Speaker 3: him for whatever reason.
34:42
Speaker 15: Yeah exactly. I don't know what it is at a
34:44
Speaker 15: local down there as well, but I just it's going
34:47
Speaker 15: to be different next election. With the restraints put on
34:50
Speaker 15: by Labor and Liberal in terms of spending, Clive Palmer
34:53
Speaker 15: is no longer a factor. He's going to pack up
34:55
Speaker 15: his tent and move on after spending sixty million dollars,
34:57
Speaker 15: which was about half of what he spent in twenty
35:00
Speaker 15: twenty two. But I just don't understand the electorates persistence
35:05
Speaker 15: with the Teals. They say one thing and do another.
35:09
Speaker 15: They have no real power in Parliament, but there seems
35:13
Speaker 15: to be this fascination and I don't know whether it's
35:15
Speaker 15: a young vote or what it is, but they're useless.
35:18
Speaker 3: Well this is what I think. I agree with you.
35:20
Speaker 3: They're useless and ineffective and no substance. And the whole
35:25
Speaker 3: premise that they're elected on integrity is a face. But
35:30
Speaker 3: I think what it is is that Australians didn't want
35:32
Speaker 3: to vote for the Coalition this time. They didn't want
35:35
Speaker 3: to vote for Scott Morrison last time. I mean Labour's
35:38
Speaker 3: primary barely grew by one and a half percent in
35:41
Speaker 3: this election. You know they've got a landslide result, but
35:45
Speaker 3: their primary is still at a pretty low level historically
35:48
Speaker 3: thirty four percent. So that Australians didn't want to vote
35:51
Speaker 3: for the Liberals, so then they turned to the other parties,
35:54
Speaker 3: which are the Teals.
35:55
Speaker 15: Well, let me ask you a question in relation to
35:57
Speaker 15: the leader of the Liberal Party, because I think, and
36:00
Speaker 15: I don't mean to be disrespectful, I think this is
36:03
Speaker 15: what it's going.
36:03
Speaker 7: To be like.
36:04
Speaker 3: You're here as a permanent record.
36:05
Speaker 15: Well, I don't think anyone leaps out of me. I
36:09
Speaker 15: said in a piece yesterday that Angus Taylor is a
36:12
Speaker 15: brilliant mind, a brilliant, brilliant blake, but he has no charisma.
36:16
Speaker 15: He's not a warm sort of person. From I said
36:19
Speaker 15: yesterday rather boldly that if I was having a Rayman orgy,
36:21
Speaker 15: I'd send him out for the grapes because he's pretty boring.
36:24
Speaker 15: But I mean, I just don't know who leaps out
36:28
Speaker 15: Dan Ten Susan Lee. I mean Andrew Hasty has a disadvantage.
36:33
Speaker 15: He's young and he comes from Western Australia, but I'd
36:36
Speaker 15: be looking at him. I think they've got to really
36:38
Speaker 15: reinvent themselves.
36:39
Speaker 3: I think he doesn't have the experience yet. Angus Taylor
36:44
Speaker 3: is partly to blame for failing to prosecute the cost
36:46
Speaker 3: of living case, also for some of the flawed policy decisions.
36:50
Speaker 3: Him and Jane Hume are partly behind the working from
36:52
Speaker 3: home policy that backfired. So you know he's but I
36:55
Speaker 3: think he's probably the best lower House option. I mean,
36:59
Speaker 3: some of the best talent for the Liberals are in
37:01
Speaker 3: the Senate. I mean James Patterson, very smart guy. Is
37:06
Speaker 3: this in the Senate? Dave Shalma, really smart guy in
37:09
Speaker 3: the Senate. And of course traditionally you don't have leaders
37:11
Speaker 3: come from the Senate.
37:12
Speaker 15: But I think what I think takes the leadership. We'll
37:16
Speaker 15: be marking time because to turn what happened on Saturday
37:19
Speaker 15: round even, I mean, three years is a long time
37:22
Speaker 15: and things happen, and maybe Alberanisi won't be there for
37:24
Speaker 15: the next election. Maybe he'll retire and someone will be
37:27
Speaker 15: having the bat and past to them. But I think
37:30
Speaker 15: it was there will be marking time. I think. I
37:33
Speaker 15: don't think what about just enterprise, Well, she's an obvious
37:38
Speaker 15: shouldn't that be amazing she's an obvious one. She'd be brilliant.
37:41
Speaker 15: She'd be brilliant. But I have it and this is
37:44
Speaker 15: my point. I think the next Liberal National Party Prime
37:47
Speaker 15: Minister is not in the Lower House at the moment.
37:50
Speaker 15: They're not in the lower House, but they are certainly
37:51
Speaker 15: in the Senate. But they've got to make their way
37:53
Speaker 15: to the lower House to be elevated to that position.
37:56
Speaker 3: Just enterprise this.
37:57
Speaker 15: Well, she knows. I love her. I really thinks she's
38:00
Speaker 15: a great Australian and I really think that we need
38:03
Speaker 15: someone to stand up and take us forward, and she'd
38:06
Speaker 15: be the person if she could get to the Lower
38:08
Speaker 15: House that could do it.
38:09
Speaker 3: And you know, people talk about modernizing the Liberal Party
38:13
Speaker 3: or having an Indigenous person and a female. I mean,
38:16
Speaker 3: that would be our first ever Indigenous prime minister.
38:19
Speaker 15: It'd be wonderful. Plus she's as smart as they come.
38:23
Speaker 3: I mean, she's can connect with people.
38:25
Speaker 15: She's a complete package. And you know, she I think
38:28
Speaker 15: is the future. But as I say, well, mark time
38:31
Speaker 15: in the meantime to see what happens, and we'll see
38:34
Speaker 15: whether all these promises that have been made by the
38:36
Speaker 15: Prime Minister are kept as opposed to what happened last
38:38
Speaker 15: time he is elected.
38:40
Speaker 3: Now, Ray, before you go, I haven't asked you in
38:42
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks how your granddaughter's doing.
38:45
Speaker 15: Little Lola is battling leukemia. Just three shears. She's the
38:50
Speaker 15: bravest little soul I've ever encountered. She had a lumber
38:55
Speaker 15: puncture her third or fourth and a bod marrow last Thursday,
39:01
Speaker 15: and the results come out either tomorrow or Thursday. And
39:05
Speaker 15: she's now got this aminotherapy backpack on, which is revolutionary
39:08
Speaker 15: treatment for kids and others with leukemia. And hopefully when
39:12
Speaker 15: they do the one in one hundred thousand cell test
39:16
Speaker 15: tomorrow or Thursday, the lakemia will have disappeared. It doesn't
39:19
Speaker 15: mean it's gone forever. It just means that the treatment
39:21
Speaker 15: for the first twenty eight days and fifty six days
39:24
Speaker 15: is work. But look, I'm going to do that Gold
39:28
Speaker 15: dinner again this year for the Sydney Children's Hospital Foundation,
39:32
Speaker 15: and it's going to be a bit different doing it
39:34
Speaker 15: this year. I do the auction and the pledges and
39:35
Speaker 15: things like that. First, it's really personal this time, it's
39:39
Speaker 15: really personal. Eighty six children every month the diagnosed across
39:43
Speaker 15: this country with some form of cancer or lakemia every
39:46
Speaker 15: month eighty six, and I've had the situation of going
39:49
Speaker 15: to John Hunter where my little baby girl is, and
39:52
Speaker 15: watching other parents come in in a state of shock
39:55
Speaker 15: with a diagnosis. That's a little girl in an adjoining
39:57
Speaker 15: room six and watching her grandparents and her mum and
40:02
Speaker 15: dad battle with it. And Lowell is just one of
40:05
Speaker 15: many little children battling at the moment, and it's a
40:07
Speaker 15: battle we hope we can win. And look, the medical research,
40:12
Speaker 15: the things we're doing here in Australia are world class,
40:15
Speaker 15: and that's on our side. And to all the people
40:17
Speaker 15: out there whose children and grandchildren like mine of battling,
40:20
Speaker 15: God bless you all them. We hope everything goes well
40:23
Speaker 15: for you as it will hopefully for us.
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Speaker 3: Ray, when you get those results, please let me note.
40:27
Speaker 15: I'll be texting you straight away. I'll text you if
40:31
Speaker 15: tex straight away.
40:31
Speaker 3: I'm all right. All our love to Lola.
40:34
Speaker 15: Thanks Dylan, See you next week, See next week, Chrry,
40:36
Speaker 15: thank you.
40:36
Speaker 7: Ray.
40:37
Speaker 3: All right still to come. Donald Trump signs an executive
40:40
Speaker 3: honor we've been campaigning for since twenty twenty one, and
40:43
Speaker 3: the tax reform that's desperately needed. I'll speak about this
40:46
Speaker 3: with a former assistant Treasury Secretary next, well, as you know,
40:53
Speaker 3: there's a lot of discussions about what the Liberals need
40:56
Speaker 3: to be doing now, which policies they need to reform,
40:59
Speaker 3: what they should keep, and one of the focuses surely
41:02
Speaker 3: has to be on economic policy. From an assistant Treasury Secretary,
41:07
Speaker 3: David Pearl writes today in The Australian that Darton did
41:10
Speaker 3: not present a compelling alternative policy platform. He could have
41:15
Speaker 3: called echoing Kevin right in two thousand and seven for
41:18
Speaker 3: Labour's reckless spending to stop, but instead he endorsed Labor's
41:23
Speaker 3: idea that this was the solution to the problem, and
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Speaker 3: David Pearl joins me, now, thanks for your time again.
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Speaker 3: So do you think this is I mean, it wasn't
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Speaker 3: necessarily the reason why they lost the campaign, but do
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Speaker 3: you think this is a big issue that we are
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Speaker 3: seeing too much spending, that it is impacting on the economy,
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Speaker 3: and the liberal parties not presenting the fiscally conservative position
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Speaker 3: that they traditionally would.
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Speaker 16: Thanks for having me on, Shari. It's not the only
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Speaker 16: reason the campaign and the election was lost. But I
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Speaker 16: think when the conservative side of our politics don't on
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Speaker 16: tax cutting and tax reform, they plan to their opponents' hands.
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Speaker 16: The Labor Party, at least the modern Labor Party, which
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Speaker 16: is far to the left of the sensible Labor Party
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Speaker 16: we saw twenty years ago, believes in big government, high spending,
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Speaker 16: and welfare dependency. They're confident on that ground and they
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Speaker 16: feel that they can out maneuver the coalition. Coalition governments
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Speaker 16: historically and I think in this election, are on strong
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Speaker 16: ground and put Labor in a difficult position when they
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Speaker 16: campaign on lower taxes and smaller government.
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Speaker 3: Now, you know, what we're seeing so far has been
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Speaker 3: a lot of election spending from Labor. I mean one
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Speaker 3: of the big policies that I think really secured the
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Speaker 3: youth vote for Labor was their pledge to pay twenty
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Speaker 3: percent of everyone's HEX debt. I mean, that's an extraordinary
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Speaker 3: sixteen billion dollars. You know, that's effectively buying the youth vote.
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Speaker 3: But how irresponsible do you think that is from a
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Speaker 3: policy from a financial perspective, Well.
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Speaker 16: It's actually a reverse robin hood policy. It's taking money
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Speaker 16: from people dependent on welfare and tax payers and giving
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Speaker 16: it to highly educated, high income people with hex's debts.
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Speaker 16: So a Labor government introduced HEX to make higher education
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Speaker 16: sustainable and to prevent working Australians from paying university fees
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Speaker 16: of affluent Australians. This Albanesi government has done the exact opposite.
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Speaker 16: It's a big transfer of wealth from the poor and
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Speaker 16: working Australians to affluent Australians.
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Speaker 3: Such a smart point and you know, it shows you
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Speaker 3: just how effective that policy was because it was one
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Speaker 3: of the first things Albanezi mentioned when he had when
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Speaker 3: he held his post election press conference, he said this
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Speaker 3: was his first order of business. Now, David, talk to
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Speaker 3: me about the next IVA Board meeting. We're going to
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Speaker 3: see a new composition of the board. How do you
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Speaker 3: think this could affect the outcome when it comes to
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Speaker 3: interest rate decisions?
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Speaker 16: To be honest, Shari, I don't think the new composition
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Speaker 16: on the board will make any difference. Monetary policy decisions
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Speaker 16: in Australia are made by two people, and in my
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Speaker 16: view two people only, Michelle Bullock with advice from her
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Speaker 16: Economic Department on the one hand, and Stephen Kennedy, the
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Speaker 16: Treasury Secretary on the other hand. That's why we had
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Speaker 16: the cameras in the room for the February Board meeting,
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Speaker 16: which I might add, cut interest rates before the case
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Speaker 16: was made. As you know, Shari, and I think this
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Speaker 16: was critical to the election result. Every single time Jim
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Speaker 16: Chalmers opened his mouth during the election campaign he could
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Speaker 16: say at the end of a sentence about his economic
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Speaker 16: management and interest rates are starting to fall. So I
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Speaker 16: wouldn't underestimate that the new board is just window dressing.
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Speaker 16: We don't have an independent central bank making monetary policy decisions.
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Speaker 16: We've got a captiveentral bank. To give you an example,
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Speaker 16: the physcal irresponsibility of the Albanizi government is putting Australia
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Speaker 16: as public finances at risk. This idea that we have
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Speaker 16: a triple A credit rating is fascical.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be sorry if that comes off.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's well, I don't think we have a triple
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Speaker 16: A credit rating because that triple A rating, Shari, is
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Speaker 16: based on the official budget forecast, which are pure fiction,
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Speaker 16: and so an independent central bank governor go on, no,
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Speaker 16: I was.
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Speaker 3: Just going to say, we're already on notice, of course,
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Speaker 3: that we might lose that triple A credit rating because
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Speaker 3: of the off budget hidden spending and you know the
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Speaker 3: one hundred billion dollars or so in structural built in
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Speaker 3: spending that's not temporary. But you're completely right, David Pearl,
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Speaker 3: as always so many intelligent points, And I tell you what,
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Speaker 3: if there's one story I want to get to the
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Speaker 3: bottom of, it's whether that interest rate cut was politicized.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give up on that, David Pearl.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. Now, after the break, Donald Trump assigned
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Speaker 3: one of his most important executive orders four years in
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Speaker 3: the making. That's next. Well, today, Donald Trump, in an
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Speaker 3: executive order, banned US government funding towards any gain of
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Speaker 3: function research around the world. Now, gain of function research
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Speaker 3: involves giving a virus extra functions that it never had before,
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Speaker 3: such as the ability to become airborne, and this could
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Speaker 3: make it more infectious or lethal to humans. Now, this
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Speaker 3: research was banned under the Obama administration on coronaviruses and
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Speaker 3: other deadly viruses, but then it was secretly lifted under
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Speaker 3: the first Trump administration. Now I discovered in my investigation
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Speaker 3: that gain of function research was happening at the Wuhan
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Speaker 3: Institute of Rology and that America had been funding it.
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Speaker 3: It was explosive and I pressed Trump about this about
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Speaker 3: why the band had been lifted. When I interviewed him,
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Speaker 3: why did you allow the gain of function research to continue?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think probably people that worked for me looked
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Speaker 11: at it, and at one point they might have done that.
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Speaker 1: But ultimately what we did was we shut it off.
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Speaker 1: We shut the whole thing.
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Speaker 11: Off, and we stopped making payments that were approved much
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Speaker 11: earlier than our administration.
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Speaker 3: Now, gain of function research is so dangerous because it
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Speaker 3: can start as we had to experience a global pandemic. Now,
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Speaker 3: I revealed that Anthony fauci I argued that the benefits
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Speaker 3: of experimenting on contagious viruses was worth the risk of
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Speaker 3: a lab accident sparking a pandemic. He knew that a
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Speaker 3: pandemic was a possibility from gainer function research, but he
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Speaker 3: funded it in Wuhan anyway. And now finally today this
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Speaker 3: risky research has been banned, with a White House spokesperson
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Speaker 3: telling Fox News that this order will drastically reduce the
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Speaker 3: potential for lab related incidents involving gainer function research like
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Speaker 3: that conducted on back coronaviruses in China by the EcoHealth
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Speaker 3: Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Now, the sarte
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Speaker 3: of Trump's second term hasn't been perfect by any means,
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Speaker 3: but its executive orders like this which make his victory significant,
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Speaker 3: and this will be hopefully one of his legacies. All right,
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Speaker 3: that's all we've got time for today. I'll be here
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Speaker 3: eight o'clock tomorrow. I'll see you then, another big show ahead.
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Speaker 3: Let's stay tuned because right now, my good mate Paul
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Speaker 3: Murray