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  Speaker 2: This is the best of the Ben Maller Show on
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  Speaker 1: And yet another baseball season has reached the finish line.
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  Speaker 1: Our lead this hour from the Sunshine State. Fresh off
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  Speaker 1: avoiding the old sweep. Tampa Bay trying to pull another upset.
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  Speaker 1: Put a little more pressure on Milwaukee. It was game
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  Speaker 1: five of the 2026 World Series on Fox. You had
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  Speaker 1: Joe Davis and professional golfer John Smoltz who had the call.
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  Speaker 1: Saw if you watched this game or not. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what else you were doing. There's some Bad basketball, huh?
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  Speaker 1: You could have been watching that. Maybe some hockey. The
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  Speaker 1: baby-faced ace, Jacob Mizorowski, throwing five and two-thirds scoreless innings,
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  Speaker 1: and then he had a boo-boo and came out of
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  Speaker 1: the game. While rookie Cooper Pratt, who didn't play all
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  Speaker 1: that well this year, but played very well in the
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  Speaker 1: World Series, couple more hits, couple more runs batted in,
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  Speaker 1: and the Brewers... Something that has never been said before.
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  Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Brewers are the champions of Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 1: They beat the Rays 4-1. Congratulations. As they get her
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  Speaker 1: done on a hump day Wednesday night. They become World
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  Speaker 1: Series champions for the first time ever. Their first championship
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  Speaker 1: in the history of the franchise. 44 years after their
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  Speaker 1: only previous appearance in 1982. So this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a win also for Seattle. The Brewers were the Seattle Pilots.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a big win for you. Also, the used
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  Speaker 1: car salesman, Bud Selick, somewhere in the greater Phoenix area
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  Speaker 1: where he's retired. Bud, and I'm sure enjoying a Bud,
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  Speaker 1: the old owner of the Brewers, the used car salesman.
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  Speaker 1: So Milwaukee wins. They had a top record during the
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  Speaker 1: regular season, 103 regular season wins, and they backed it
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  Speaker 1: up in the playoffs, played 13 playoff games, won 11
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  Speaker 1: of them. I'm told that's good. They swept the once-proud
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers and the NLCS. And then they take care of
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay in the gentlemen's sweep. Four games to one.
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  Speaker 1: That's more of a basketball term than a baseball term.
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  Speaker 1: So that means the Tampa Bay Rays, the weird scientists
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  Speaker 1: of baseball, have been in three World Series and loss, loss, loss. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're 0 for 3. That's not good. Particularly great. Not
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  Speaker 1: particularly great. It is a good jumping-off point, though, just
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  Speaker 1: the World Series in general. So let us discuss the question.
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  Speaker 1: Is the Brew Crew winning the World Series here for
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  Speaker 1: Pat Murphy and company there? A shot of the arm
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  Speaker 1: for baseball or a commercial disaster? So I've got Big Tech,
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  Speaker 1: Jack in the Box, and Squiggly Lines. And we will
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  Speaker 1: combine all of these things together, and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to take a joyride is what we're going to do
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  Speaker 1: in the overnight. So, A, to answer the question, is
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  Speaker 1: the Brew Crew winning the World Series a shot in
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  Speaker 1: the arm for baseball or a commercial disaster? We actually
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  Speaker 1: went to the judges' scorecards. We did not have to
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  Speaker 1: look at the CompuBox stats on this. It is a
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  Speaker 1: split decision. A split decision. On one hand, the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: winning the World Series is lousy for the business of baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not kid ourselves here. Milwaukee has all the glamour
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  Speaker 1: of a cheese curd convention. I love the cheese curd.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I'm a big fan. They lack the marquee
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  Speaker 1: name brand superstar. They don't have a household name on
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  Speaker 1: the team. They just don't. And there's really not much
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  Speaker 1: sexy about the Brewer roster. They'll sell a mountain of
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  Speaker 1: merch and people will be lining up. They'll set all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of records in Wisconsin for T-shirts and hats and
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  Speaker 1: things like that. The television executive the advertising people i'm
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  Speaker 1: sure not exactly popping champagne here from a baseball standpoint
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  Speaker 1: the reason it's a split decision from a baseball standpoint
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  Speaker 1: this was a booster shot the brewers rejected the modern
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  Speaker 1: baseball obsession with the big bopper and i loved it
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  Speaker 1: i did i enjoyed watching that i didn't like the
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  Speaker 1: pitching stuff because they i mean i'll get to that
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  Speaker 1: in a minute just in general but in terms of
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  Speaker 1: an offensive approach to baseball It was refreshing, is what
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was great. They played like a collection
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  Speaker 1: of pests and instigators and dirt bags and grinders and
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  Speaker 1: all those big words. And it was beautifully obnoxious baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Beautifully obnoxious baseball. And it put several people in their place.
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  Speaker 1: And I loved it. Now, you've also got, turning the page,
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  Speaker 1: Pat Murphy, who is the Colonel Sanders of Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 1: It's official now. If you know anything about business... The
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  Speaker 1: guy behind Colonel Sanders, not a real colonel, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: Holland Sanders, he started franchising KFC at the age of 65.
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  Speaker 1: That's when he became big at the age of 65. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the cantankerous Pat Murphy got his big managerial break, full-time gig,
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  Speaker 1: not fill-in, full-time gig in Milwaukee just before his 65th
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  Speaker 1: birthday a few years ago. And so you can say
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  Speaker 1: it's extra crispy championship baseball. There's also an odd quirk
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  Speaker 1: to this, the Brewers winning the World Series, and the MVP,
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  Speaker 1: catcher William Contreras, the World Series MVP. Now, he did
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  Speaker 1: bat 381. He threw a bunch of base stealers out.
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  Speaker 1: I think there were four base stealers that he threw out.
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  Speaker 1: And he turned the automated strike zone challenge system into
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  Speaker 1: his personal bonanza. And this is the first World Series
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  Speaker 1: with this part of it, and it's fair to say
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  Speaker 1: that William Contreras is the man who can thank big
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  Speaker 1: tech for this trophy. If he just batted. 381 and
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  Speaker 1: threw out four base stealers, does William Contreras win the MVP? No!
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  Speaker 1: He wins the MVP because of technology. There were 13
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  Speaker 1: appeals that he went to the replay for, the automated
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  Speaker 1: ball strike challenge system, and he hit 10 of the 13.
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  Speaker 1: That's a 77% win rate, much to the disgust of
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  Speaker 1: John Smoltz. But he hit 77%, which means he has
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  Speaker 1: a better idea of the strike zone than the home
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  Speaker 1: plate umpire. Contreras should just become a home plate umpire.
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  Speaker 1: He was playing chess while the umpires were playing Candyland
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  Speaker 1: or Chutes and Ladders. All right, meanwhile, turning the page,
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  Speaker 1: on the Tampa Bay side, the question, where did things
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  Speaker 1: go wrong for Rays manager Kevin Cash? Let's just focus
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  Speaker 1: in on Game 5 of the World Series. Because everyone
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  Speaker 1: seems to be blaming the Tampa Bay offense. They did
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  Speaker 1: not score until a token run in the ninth inning.
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  Speaker 1: It's certainly fair to blame the Tampa Bay offense for
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  Speaker 1: not getting her done against the Miz.
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  Speaker 2: However....
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  Speaker 1: If you will allow me, this is therapeutic for me.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to climb onto the bully pulpit and
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  Speaker 1: discuss a pet peeve of mine. The continued softification of
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball pitching. So Drew Rasmussen started the game
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  Speaker 1: for Tampa Bay. He pitched four innings on three days rest.
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  Speaker 1: Four innings on three days rest. He threw 48 pitches.
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  Speaker 1: And the television gas bag's And the baseball establishment treated
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  Speaker 1: Rasmussen like he had single-handedly built the Panama Canal, one
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  Speaker 1: of the great advancements by humanity, and it was done
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  Speaker 1: by the bare hands of Drew Rasmussen. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you saw any of the pregame festivities with David
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  Speaker 1: Ortiz and Jeter and A-Rod and all those guys, who
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident were ready to nominate drew rasmussen for
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  Speaker 1: the congressional medal of honor that was even before the
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  Speaker 1: game and for what exactly showing up to work the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing watching him being celebrated by his teammates for
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  Speaker 1: that gutty outing made me want to puke in my
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  Speaker 1: mouth four innings 48 pitches what an iron man more
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  Speaker 1: like an ironing board is what that was so i
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  Speaker 1: would like to go classic old guy i'd like to
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  Speaker 1: go old guy a radio so my outlook i'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna space because i get emails oh you're such an
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  Speaker 1: old a-hole whatever maybe i am but here's the point
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  Speaker 1: when i was a kid There was a standard back
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  Speaker 1: in my day. And so I judged things by that standard.
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  Speaker 1: So I would like to go classic Jack in the Box.
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  Speaker 1: When I see a guy throw 48 pitches and get celebrated,
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  Speaker 1: I flashback. There was a pitcher, you probably don't know
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  Speaker 1: who this is anymore, named Jack Morris. Now, he was
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  Speaker 1: mostly good for the Detroit Tigers, but he went over
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  Speaker 1: to the Twins. And in 1991, a million years ago,
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  Speaker 1: this guy Jack Morris, in Game 7 of the World Series...
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  Speaker 1: threw 126 pitches in one game in the World Series
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  Speaker 1: against the Atlanta Braves. He pitched all 10 innings of
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  Speaker 1: shutout baseball and led the Twins to the championship in
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  Speaker 1: Game seven he then believe it or not by the
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  Speaker 1: way his arm did not have to be amputated after
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  Speaker 1: the game he came back the next year at age
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  Speaker 1: 37 i believe and pitched uh 230 240 innings or
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  Speaker 1: something like that of course now you'd have to be
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  Speaker 1: shut down for the following season if you pitched that
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  Speaker 1: many pitches in a game. And, oh, my God. I understand.
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  Speaker 1: That was then. This is now. I am fascinated by
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  Speaker 1: the baseball establishment that has conditioned the younger generation of
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  Speaker 1: fans to believe that four innings and 48 pitches is
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  Speaker 1: some kind of test of endurance, pushing the limits of
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  Speaker 1: the human body. My God. It is so pathetic. Baseball
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  Speaker 1: is not raising the workhorse anymore. It's raising the show pony.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of show ponies out there, a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of show ponies. Meanwhile, the last word here. So
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  Speaker 1: moments after the World Series had ended, the chatter started.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a yearly ritual. I have determined no
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  Speaker 1: matter who wins the World Series... The same boilerplate story
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  Speaker 1: pops up. So the Brewers, by winning, have challenged the
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  Speaker 1: industrial complex of baseball. They've challenged the big spending blueprint
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  Speaker 1: of professional baseball. Milwaukee ranked 19th in payroll. $ 134 million, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: the luxury tax payroll, which is roughly... $ 250 million behind
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  Speaker 1: the loser Dodgers. $ 250 million behind the Dodgers, whom the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers swept in the league championship series. You know where
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  Speaker 1: I'm going with this, right? You're nodding your head yes.
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  Speaker 1: So their championship, clearly the line, if you follow the
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  Speaker 1: line of thinking, suggests that, hey, sustainable success, For the Brewers,
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  Speaker 1: that's scouting, player development, savvy trades, continuity in the organization,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't have to have the most buying power.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to have the biggest roster, and that
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  Speaker 1: this somehow is going to change things. So I'll ask
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  Speaker 1: the question. Have Pat Murphy's Brewers changed the formula for
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  Speaker 1: winning the World Series? So I have two words as
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  Speaker 1: a rebuttal. Stop it. Just stop it. This is not
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  Speaker 1: Moneyball 2.0. This is Coupon Ball. And the Brewers' model,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of this being the new normal, is a
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  Speaker 1: fairy tale. Listen, they played very well in October. Good
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  Speaker 1: for them. But let's not all of a sudden rewrite
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  Speaker 1: baseball economics. Milwaukee did not reinvent the baseball wheel. They
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  Speaker 1: did not. They discovered what happens when everything goes right
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  Speaker 1: for a month. In the postseason. The Brewers are the exception.
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  Speaker 1: They're the squiggly line. The squiggly line, not the new normal.
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  Speaker 1: This is not the updated instructional manual. It is not.
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee showed up to the World Series with a Groupon
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  Speaker 1: and a dream. They had nine homegrown players making a
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  Speaker 1: combined $ 26 million. So nine of the players on their roster,
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  Speaker 1: the core of the roster, was making less than $ 30 million. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that's what the Dodgers spend on their clubhouse
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  Speaker 1: aromatherapy is about $ 30 million, and the private playing just
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  Speaker 1: to the players who can't be around the unwashed, the
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  Speaker 1: support staff. It's crazy. But the idea that the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: and Yankees, all of a sudden, oh, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: stop spending. They need to operate like Milwaukee. Please. They
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  Speaker 1: actually have money. They want to spend. Why would you
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  Speaker 1: voluntarily put yourself on food stamps? Why would you say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to sign up for that card so I
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  Speaker 1: can get some food?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Don't confuse financial necessity with revolutionary genius. And the brewers,
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  Speaker 1: they're being celebrated. They won. Congratulations. They're being celebrated for
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  Speaker 1: extreme couponing. There's a lot of the baseball media that
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  Speaker 1: love this storyline the underdog oh man they didn't spend
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  Speaker 1: the money and they won oh this is so great
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff but everyone loves the underdog story
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  Speaker 1: until this is the point where you don't love it
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  Speaker 1: until your team which has deep pockets your team that
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  Speaker 1: can spend money starts trading all-stars to save a couple
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  Speaker 1: of bucks at that point you're like i don't know
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  Speaker 1: if i like that anymore i don't know if i
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  Speaker 1: want to because if everyone was doing what the brewers
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  Speaker 1: were doing it wouldn't work either. There has to be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of balance in all this.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm Catherine Zazzora.
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of experience in the game of football, Catherine.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm learning the game with Bill's help. Every week,
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm looking forward to this show, Catherine, and
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  Speaker 3: hopefully we can give our audience a little in-depth look
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  Speaker 4: Them Because once you understand what's going on inside the
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  Speaker 3: So all aspects can be discussed. The only thing I
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  Speaker 1: From the high-speed sports wire. of the National Football League,
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  Speaker 1: where former Ravens kicker Justin Tucker is back in the NFL. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there have been several teams that are contenders that needed
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  Speaker 1: help in the kicking game. They all did not have
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  Speaker 1: the cojones to add the creepy kicker, Justin Tucker. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it turns out he is headed to Kansas City, kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Big red. Big red is in the line of fire
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  Speaker 1: as a result of this. If you did not hear
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  Speaker 1: about this, perhaps not. Didn't see this. The news came
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  Speaker 1: out early in the day. Might have missed it that
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City had added Justin Tucker to the practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid faced the media. On Wednesday, he faced the
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  Speaker 1: media there, and there was not one, not two, not three,
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  Speaker 1: not four, but five straight minutes of questions about Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City signing Justin Tucker to its practice squad. He had
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  Speaker 1: played with the Ravens, obviously, for a long time. Mr. Raven,
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  Speaker 1: he had... I think it was 16 massage therapists that
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  Speaker 1: lined up, I think they all got checks, accused him
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  Speaker 1: of sexual misconduct and unwanted physical contact, etc. He ended
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  Speaker 1: up I think there was a lot. He paid a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of money. There were no criminal charges. Tucker denied
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  Speaker 1: all the wrongdoing, and he had been suspended by the NFL. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Big Red, Andy Reid, right in the line
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  Speaker 1: of fire. And here's a little taste of what it
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  Speaker 1: was like between Andy Reid and the reporters in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 2: What message do you think with the signing of Justin
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  Speaker 2: Tucker to the practice squad that sends out.
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  Speaker 1: Female fans in the city?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's done his suspension, you know, Took care
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  Speaker 6: of that business there. I'll leave it at that for you.
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  Speaker 6: How much did the ownership have in signing a.
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  Speaker 1: Cutter like this?
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  Speaker 6: We try to do our homework the best way we
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  Speaker 6: possibly can and talk to a lot of people and
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  Speaker 6: make sure things are okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so that was the way it went. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of the gotcha questions. And as you heard, Andy
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  Speaker 1: Reid gave the boilerplate response, did his homework, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: And Reid kept getting asked pretty much the same question.
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  Speaker 1: He did not answer. Did not expand on his basic
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  Speaker 1: talking point memo that he gave out. Said that Tucker
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  Speaker 1: served his punishment. He's cleared to return to the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: He was suspended 10 games last year. Baltimore fired him.
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  Speaker 1: And he remained unsigned all season. No criminal charges, again,
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  Speaker 1: ever took place here. So, good jumping off point. Let
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  Speaker 1: us discuss the question. Does anybody actually believe Chiefs coach
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid... cares about the backlash from signing justin tucker
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  Speaker 1: so i've got saloon mr microphone and hellman's mayonnaise and
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  Speaker 1: we will combine all of these things together and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to hit the old dusty trail is what we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do but again go down the dusty trail
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  Speaker 1: and the way you go down the dusty trail you
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  Speaker 1: always start with the first step which.
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  Speaker 5: We call step number one number.
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  Speaker 1: One one one one one one Number one. So I
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  Speaker 1: do love the line of questioning. If women chose to
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  Speaker 1: watch football only if good people played football, no women
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  Speaker 1: would watch football. Now, I'm not defending Justin Tucker. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying the premise of the line of questioning. What
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  Speaker 1: do you say to female fans? You know how many
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  Speaker 1: guys are in the NFL that have criminal records, have
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  Speaker 1: done really bad crap? There's a lot of guys in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. And so that just is over my head.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous. But Andy Reid, I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 1: we've covered Andy Reid. I've been here. Andy has been
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  Speaker 1: coaching the NFL. I remember when I was doing local
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  Speaker 1: radio and Andy got hired as coach of the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: And I've told this story before. We had Andy on
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  Speaker 1: when he was a Green Bay Packers assistant. And I
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  Speaker 1: remember my produce, I was doing local radio in LA.
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  Speaker 1: I said, why the F are we having Andy Reid on?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I don't even know who that is. And the guy
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: was explaining to me and I was like, Oh, cause
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: he's from LA, you know, and Andy was great. He
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was very nice. And we had good conversation. I still
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: remember it. We talked about nothing about the Philadelphia Eagles
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: or the Green Bay Packers. We only talked about food.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and his favorite restaurants in L.A. because he grew up
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: in L.A. Anyway, but Andy Reid is not losing a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: wink of sleep over the media blowback, the social media
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: outrage machine, and he certainly isn't trembling in his oversized
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: windbreaker over a few uncomfortable questions. He's done this before.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: He's been down this road before. Andy Reid moonlights as
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a bartender at the NFL's Last Chance Saloon. If you're
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: down on your luck, if things haven't gone well, you've
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: made a few mistakes in life, and you want to
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: play in the NFL, who are you going to call?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Andy Reid. The Last Chance Saloon, where Andy
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Reid is the bartender, the drinks are cheap. They're cheap.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Reputations are damaged, and everybody gets another round if they
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: can help you win a football game. Michael Vick, the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: puppy killer, was brought into Philadelphia when Andy Reid was there.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill beat up a chick in college. He played
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: drafted by Kansas City. Frank Clark had a domestic thing,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: if I remember. The Chiefs added him. Matt Ariza had
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that situation in San Diego, the punter. kareem hunt and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: now justin tucker andy reed's moral compass does not point
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: north it points to w which is not west it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: winning that's all he cares about he's not running a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: monastery there and he's running a football factory and andy
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: reed is the modern day father flanagan of the nfl
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: except his boy's town comes with signing bonuses and you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: hope Some bling bling. You hope some bling bling. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: while other teams see a public relations nightmare, like the Rams.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: The Rams are a great example. Rams have added two
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: different kickers. I think they're on their third kicker now.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So they have three kickers. They could have added Justin Tucker,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: but they didn't want the PR hit. They didn't want
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the PR hit. Sean McVay couldn't handle it. So Andy
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Reid's like, I don't care. I'll stand up there and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: repeat the same boilerplate answer 15 times. It doesn't bother me.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Because Andy Reid's like, this is a competitive advantage for
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Kansas City. And a distressed asset ready for exploitation. Now,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it's not even known whether or not Justin Tucker is
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: going to make the roster. He's on the practice squad
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: because Harrison Buckner, the normal kicker in Kansas City, has
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: been dreadful this season. There's stuff going on with that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So it's possible that Justin Tucker never even makes a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: game for the Chiefs. But the idea that they'd actually
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: sign him, when nobody else had the balls to sign
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Justin Tucker, Andy Reid's like, oh, yeah. What he did
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is nothing. Nothing compared to Tyreek Hill or Frank Clark
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or Kareem Hunt and these guys. So, come on. All right, now,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: page two. To Green Bay we go, the frozen tundra. Now,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the Packers are back in action. The Thursday night game
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: later this hour, Benny versus the Penny. The Green Bay
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Packers will take on Carolina. And that's the Thursday night
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: matchup on DraftKings. The team from Green Bay at home
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: favored by three and a half. But Micah Parsons, who is,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I don't believe he's playing in that game. I don't
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: think he is. Micah Parsons, not worried about, forget the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. He's not intimidated by Kansas City. What? That's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the headline. The Packers pass rusher. I say that in
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: air quotes because he doesn't play very much, declared on
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: his fledgling podcast, he said, quote, the Chiefs don't scare me.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: This following the Sunday night game where Kansas City got
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: their balls kicked in by Seattle, their footballs, Parsons believes
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes lacks legitimate deep threats. He does not have
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: anyone like Tyreek Hill. He also dismissed comparisons between Xavier
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Worthy and Hill, arguing that Micah Parsons, that world-class speed
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: does not automatically make someone a world-class pro football receiver,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: which is rather obvious. Question. You got Micah Parsons, who
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: has publicly gone out there and questioned whether the Chiefs
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: possess championship caliber offensive weapons. Should Andy Reid be worried?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So we're giving this one a little bit of a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: side act. You got to be joking. Now, the Chiefs
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: had a clunker. They had a real clunker in Seattle
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: with a roster. at the skill position that was held
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: together with duct tape and bazooka Joe Bubblegum. They had
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of bazooka Joe Bubblegum. And suddenly, Micah Parsons
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is conducting the autopsy from the orthopedic ward. It's all
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: about timing, right? If you had given this commentary after
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: any other Chiefs game other than the Seattle game, you
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: would have said, Kansas City's so back, baby. They're so back. Now,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: as I learned from the late, great Lou Holtz, who
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: famously said, you're never as good as everyone tells you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: when you win. You're also never as bad... As they
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: say you are when you lose, you're somewhere in the middle.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: But we do love that Micah Parsons is a hot
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: take blowhard. It warms my heart that Micah Parsons would
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: rather do what I do for a living, my life's work,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: than play football. He's much more interested in being a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: hot take artist, Micah Parsons, than actually playing pro football.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And that is just wonderful for me. This guy is
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on injured reserve, all dinged up. His mouth has been
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: cleared for full contact. So that's the good news. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: he's just out there lobbing Molotov cocktails from the trainer's
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: room like, some kind of football revolutionary, a desperado and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: green Bay. They foolishly thought they had traded for a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: game wrecking pass rusher. And instead the Packers got a cheerleader.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: They don't have any of those. He got a male
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: cheerleader and they got a Mr. Microphone podcast guy. He
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: does the Mr. Microphone podcast and he's talked more than
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: he's played. He's done more podcast since he got to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: green Bay than he's played games for the Packers. Who goofed?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I've got to know. And now Andy Reid, good old
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid, is supposed to lose sleep because Dr. Parsons,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: broadcasting with his Mr. Microphone from the MRI machine, has
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: diagnosed Kansas City's offense. Please. The Chiefs are going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: get some guys back, and they can go shopping before
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: November 10th, the trade deadline, get some more goodies and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: all that. Now, they keep losing games. We can revisit this,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: but I'm not going to get all worked up by
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: one loss to a 500 Seattle team, which was who
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that was. All right, final point. To TV land we go.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Turn out the lights. The party's over. For Ernie Johnson,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's a bummer. Big-time bummer. Ernie Johnson, 70 years old,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: made it official. He's about to say bye-bye to inside
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the NBA. He announced that this is his final season.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: He will end a 37-year run. in that gig and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he said hey i wasn't pushed out he said totally
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: my decision just time that's just what people would say
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you know if you were pushed out you'd say it
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: was totally my decision i don't think he was pushed
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: out though he's he's great at what he does ej
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: says the demanding preparation became more exhausting than enjoyable and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: he's had some medical problems had some heart problems a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: couple years ago says he's not any in any immediate
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: danger And he says he's not retiring, though. He will continue,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: for reasons that are unknown, to do March Madness coverage.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: And that'll be with CBS TNT. And he'll also do
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: some other select assignments. He's got a production company. Why not?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Everyone's got one of those. However, his NBA run is
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: all but done. And the question, is Ernie Johnson irreplaceable
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: on Inside the NBA? So everyone is replaceable. If you
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: don't think everyone's replaceable, drive by a cemetery. It's filled
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: with people who are not replaceable who got replaced. So
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: not to be grim reaper guy, but we're all replaceable, right?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: You got to have some kind of levity to you.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You have to understand your place in the world that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: we're in. Everyone's replaceable. Now, they'll find another warm body
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: with a nice haircut, younger person with a pleasant smile,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: probably on the woke side. a fat broadcasting resume to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: sit there and babysit Shaq, Kenny, and Charles. However, replacing
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the razzle-dazzle, zero chance. Zero chance. You know what Ernie
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Johnson had? Timing. Timing. Capital T, timing. You can't buy timing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You don't go down to the television supermarket and buy timing.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: You don't buy that. You don't. Charles Barkley is the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: box office. He's the headliner. He's the rock star. He's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the guy that gets it done. The one that was
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: passing him the ball, the point guard, Ernie Johnson. Ernie Johnson,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the screenplay. You need the box office headliner and you
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: need the screenplay to have a hit movie. You have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to have both. Ernie Johnson was not the star of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the show. He was not. Nobody's going to sit here
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and say Ernie Johnson, the star of the show. He
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was the guy who made everybody else look like a star.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Ernie Johnson... is like the Hellman's mayonnaise on the sandwich.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Nobody buys the sandwich for the mayonnaise. You don't buy
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a sandwich and, boy, I want some good mayonnaise on there.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But you take it away, and suddenly, depending on what sandwich,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: what hoagie you're eating, you're chewing on cardboard. Who wants that?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: 37 years of highlights. 37 years. At some point, you're like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: do I really want to pretend like I'm excited for
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a Nuggets-Thunder game on a Tuesday night? I'm good. I'm good.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Without him, it's a completely different show. Without Ernie Johnson,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it's a completely different show. The timing, the rhythm, all
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that stuff is off without Ernie Johnson. I do love
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the fact that he did his own prep. It must
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: have driven him nuts to sit on that stage with
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal who just show up and
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: do no preparation. And I feel for Ernie Johnson. I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: kind of relate to him. I usually work alone here.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm a one man band. I don't have anybody to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: help make the show, put it together during the day.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: And I do everything myself. But I've worked with people
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: in the past and I've had sidekicks or people I've
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: done two man shows with. And if you're doing a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: two man operation or an ensemble group and they're not
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: doing their work, it's like a group project where only
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: one person does all the work. Well, eventually you just
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: get burned out on that. And Ernie Johnson's probably like, well, dude,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I keep doing all the prep. And Barkley rolls in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: there and Shaq, they're in the green room playing grab ass.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And I guess, I think Kenny Smith actually does some prep,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: but those other two guys do none. And they're legendary
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: for that. They don't want them to do prep. They
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: just want them to react in real time. It does
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: get old after a while. And plus, Ernie Johnson's 70.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: That seems like a good time to, he's made a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: lot of money, enjoyed the money, but without Without Ernie Johnson,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it's a much different show. And without Barkley inside the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: NBA becomes nobody's watching the NBA is what that becomes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: So we'll see how this goes.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Ben Maller
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Show weekdays at 2 a.m. Eastern, 11 p.m.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Pacific. Here we go. Here we go.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Welcome in, militia.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Speaking of winners.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Can you handle more Maller mayhem?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: It's time now for.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Benny versus the Penny. And we kick off Week 8
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Quickly, not a lot of time, so
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: we'll go to Lambeau Field in Green Bay. We'll have
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: more time tomorrow to look at last week's record. But
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the Panthers at the Packers, and according to DraftKings, the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Packers are a 3.5-point favorite at home. And the weather,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: not a factor. Temperatures in the 50s. It's going to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: be a little foggy at kickoff at Lambeau Field. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take the bounce back. I love betting
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: on average teams or better after a bad performance. Carolina
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: did not show up last week. And they have been
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a bit of a gambling cockroach after losses. In fact,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: they're 13-0 against the spread in games immediately following an
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: outright loss. That is the largest... Oh, my God, trend
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that you look at. Not that I'm a big trend guy.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young has mostly produced. Last week was a disaster.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And I just don't trust the Green Bay Packers. They
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: are the most penalized team in the NFL, Green Bay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And you look at the rushing attack for Green Bay.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: It's just not. They're terrible. They can't run the ball.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: They're dead last in rushing offense. And they lost last week.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Both these teams coming off a loss. I think this
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: is a field goal game. You're getting the hook. You're
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: getting the three and a half. You got Al Michaels
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and Herbie and his dog bear calling the game on Amazon.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to take the Carolina Panthers plus the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: three and a half. Green Bay's got two offensive linemen
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: that are out. So that doesn't seem like a great
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: recipe for success. Koopaloop is representing the Penny. And who
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: does the Penny like in this game?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Koopaloop.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: The penny also likes the Panthers in this one.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on. It's more fun when we disagree to
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: start the week. I don't like when we agree. It's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: not a lot. It's not as much fun, but I'm
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: taking Carolina. That's the right side. There you go. Penny
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: versus the penny.
• 34:25
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• 34:28
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• 34:32
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• 34:37
  Speaker 1: It's now time for... Time for... Hurry, hurry.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: I can hardly wait.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Ask Ben.
• 34:42
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• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Send us your questions on Twitter now.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And away we go. It's Ask Ben. Your questions are
• 34:49
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• 34:52
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• 34:56
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• 35:00
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• 35:05
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• 35:07
  Speaker 1: will not sound like he's reading we go over to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the coop dalu.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: All right ben we're gonna start off with a question
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: from nimbot.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Hi nimbot he wants to what is it nimbot what
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: is it i'm not sure uh wants to know were
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you ever hot for teacher did i ever have a
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: hot teacher Were you ever hot for teacher?
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's a reference to the.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Van Halen song. Hot for teacher, yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: Did you ever have a teacher that you had a
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: crush on that you thought was hot?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: No, my teachers were all ugly. There was not one
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: hot teacher. They were all old women. God love them.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: They were nice women, but they were not attractive. They
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: were fugly. There was not one attractive woman that was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: my teacher ever. The men were ugly, too. They were
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: all ugly when I was a kid. I see these
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: stories about these hot teachers.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: I'm like, wow.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a hot teacher. I don't know what
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a hot teacher. I couldn't imagine having a hot teacher.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: What about you, Lorena? Any teachers there back in the day?
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: There was one in high school.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Back in band camp?
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: What's up, Ms. Brooks? Oh, a woman. She was a babe.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was the hottest teacher in the school. I'm
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: not expecting that. I understand. But like, I see these
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: young teachers, like every teacher I had was old. I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: never had someone that was like a young teacher. What
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: about you, Coop?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: My fifth, sixth, seventh grade, sixth or seventh grade language
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: arts teacher.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: High school, man. Come on.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: No, that was middle school for me.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Junior high school. Oh, yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: Junior high. Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Miss Miss Sinclair. There's a lot of hormones going on.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of hormones going on. Junior high school. A
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: lot of that. A lot of that going on.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You ever made the moves on her? You never?
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: I did buy her chocolates and a rose for Valentine's Day.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't. I did. Look at you. How about that?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: A little flirtatious Koopa Loop. All right, what's next? What
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: do we got?
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: Shannon Des Moines wants to know, for everybody, and I
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: feel like, I don't know if we've ever asked this before,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: it's surprising, Coke or Pepsi?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I drank no water when I was a kid.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: My parents loved soda, so we drank soda pop, and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it was usually Coke every once in a while. My
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: mom would find a coupon for Pepsi, so we'd get Pepsi,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: but it was almost always Coke. It was cherry Coke,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: regular Coke. Dr. Pepper was part of that mix. What
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: about you, Lorena? Well, as a child, my dad had
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: a huge Pepsi collection, so it was Pepsi back in
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the day, but now I'm a Coke girl. All right,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: what about you, Coop?
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: But I prefer root beer.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Coke, for sure. All right, what's next? What do we got?
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: OGR Puffin wants to know, have you ever caught a
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: good friend cheating on their partner or vice versa?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: No, not really that. But what happens is when guys
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: break up, I'm like, oh, she's such a terrible woman.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Then they get back together and it sucks. What about you, Lorena?
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, you have? Look at you. Unbelievable.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Coop?
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Everywhere. I guess, really, everywhere. Open my eyes a little
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: bit here, I guess.