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Chuck in the Morning 9/28 H4: More Monday Morning Quarterback & One Last Thing · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Very Batman. Is this Batman? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the name of this song? I think the
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  Speaker 2: Mighty Mighty Deftones may have sang this.
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  Speaker 1: Batman?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Great morning to you all. Happy Monday.
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  Speaker 2: We are in the midst of a Monday morning quarterback session. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: we are in the midst of discussing the first loss
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  Speaker 2: of the season for the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: The first loss in a long, long time.
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  Speaker 2: Had a shocking one at that, 33-31, the final score.
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  Speaker 2: The Washington Commanders winning at home on a rainy field
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  Speaker 2: over the world champion Seattle Seahawks.
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  Speaker 1: And so we react here today.
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  Speaker 2: On this Monday, I've started every hour by just this
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  Speaker 2: public service announcement, and I'll do it again this hour.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, there is a lot to discuss today.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of Mariner things to discuss today,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll probably spend more time on that on tomorrow's
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  Speaker 2: radio program.
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  Speaker 1: We spent a little bit of time on it earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the day.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll have the Jerry DePoto and Justin Hollander press
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  Speaker 2: conferences to react to. So we're going to try to
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  Speaker 2: find as many gaps as we can in tomorrow's show
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with Huskies. It seems like we got a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Of a crisis going on, but we'll probably dive deeper
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  Speaker 2: into that on Wednesday. And then the Kraken will start
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  Speaker 2: their regular season on Thursday. And we haven't done much
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  Speaker 2: by way of Kraken preview for this year. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: have to find the time to, in our week to
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  Speaker 2: discuss all of those monster topics. Today, we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks mostly here on this Monday as we just
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  Speaker 2: aren't used to this type of loss, not in the
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald era. We've got our QB1. We've got our
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  Speaker 2: best man on the job. Hugh Millen is with us
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  Speaker 2: and a lot more ground to cover here this morning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a lot going on, Hugh. There's a lot going on.
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  Speaker 2: You're so right. You could do an entire conversation Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: At least a day, half a half a week with
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  Speaker 2: all these topics. I could do a 13 week show straight.
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  Speaker 1: On the Mariners right now.
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  Speaker 2: I know you could start the clock is chomping at
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  Speaker 2: the bit, aren't you? This damn football just getting in
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  Speaker 2: the way of your baseball. No, no, this is huge, too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is there's a reason. I know you
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  Speaker 2: love football. I know you love football. We all know
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  Speaker 2: you love football. This is the reason we're making this
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  Speaker 2: the top priority here today, because it's the top priority
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  Speaker 2: here today.
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  Speaker 1: And look, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Just the fact that the Washington Commanders with Marcus Mariota,
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  Speaker 2: who I don't think has played a good football game
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  Speaker 2: in like eight years, leading the way and a suspicious
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  Speaker 2: running game and injuries everywhere on the football field and
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  Speaker 2: off to an 0-2 start. For them just to put
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  Speaker 2: 33 points up on Mike McDonald is shocking enough to me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about the turnovers and the kind of
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  Speaker 2: field position that they were left in. The fact that
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  Speaker 2: they just pushed the ball on the end zone as
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  Speaker 2: frequently as they did, I found was shocking. I told
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  Speaker 2: Anders earlier in the show, there was something about Marcus Mariotti.
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  Speaker 2: He was like getting rid of the ball as quickly
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  Speaker 2: as possible to avoid the pass rush.
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  Speaker 1: And yet kept finding open receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Usually, Hugh, in my experience, that's a recipe for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of turnovers, when you're just getting the ball and
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  Speaker 2: then just getting rid of it. And yet, he kept
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  Speaker 2: finding open receivers against a Mike McDonald defense. And I
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  Speaker 2: know Julian Love changes the game if he's out there,
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  Speaker 2: but nonetheless, I mean, just uncharacteristic, the Even though statistically
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  Speaker 2: not a bad day for the Seattle Seahawks in that
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  Speaker 2: passing game, I don't know how Marcus Mariota kept finding
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  Speaker 2: open receivers against Mike McDonald's defense.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any idea?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's a good take. Yeah, well, I
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  Speaker 2: better have an idea. Otherwise, what am I doing here, right?
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  Speaker 2: And we'll get to some of those. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: the first touchdown. I really do believe that that Price fumble...
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  Speaker 2: really impacted the game i'd love to know that what
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  Speaker 2: sliding doors or the alternate universe type of a of
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  Speaker 2: a thought because when the commanders first got the ball
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  Speaker 2: you know they did nothing he dirted the ball on
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  Speaker 2: third down and and you know the seahawks are getting
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  Speaker 2: like you're not going 75 yards 80 yards against us
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  Speaker 2: uh back up right but then when price laid the
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  Speaker 2: ball down and uh they they got a nice you
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  Speaker 2: know The Seahawks got in the wrong gap. Two guys
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  Speaker 2: in the wrong gap. They had Leonard Williams and Ernest
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  Speaker 2: Jones in the wrong gap. And so they gassed them
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  Speaker 2: down to get into the low red zone. And that
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  Speaker 2: touchdown pass, you had, you had, it was Derek Hall
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  Speaker 2: and Nwosu, the ends, they went way up past the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And he, now he is athletic. He's only 30 or
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  Speaker 2: he's 32, but he, His hallmark is his athleticism, right?
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  Speaker 2: He moves well, particularly for a guy 6'4. And so
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  Speaker 2: he moves up in the pocket, scans, scans, and I
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  Speaker 2: swear Leonard Williams was getting held so bad. but he
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  Speaker 2: was held on the inside of his shoulder pads. That
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  Speaker 2: is the perfect way to hold. So he had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of time, Mariota, and then he used his eyes,
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  Speaker 2: and that caused one of our backup safeties to move,
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  Speaker 2: and then he found the running back over the middle.
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  Speaker 2: but that was a lot of time to play pass
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  Speaker 2: defense in a zone defense, and he got him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got him. Not just once, three touchdown passes.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one of the situations that you were undoubtedly describing,
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  Speaker 2: third and ten, he just puts his back foot in
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  Speaker 2: the ground and he throws out the flat. The Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: were in a 3-D defense, and And Witherspoon was just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit out of position, a little bit too
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  Speaker 2: deep and a little too far to the inside. And
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  Speaker 2: so that invited the flat throw, and that picks up
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  Speaker 2: first down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. 11 yards to McLaurin. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: One of his biggest, his.
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  Speaker 2: Second biggest completion was on a screen where they do,
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  Speaker 2: it was a nice design play where they, they run
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  Speaker 2: the halfback in motion. It looks like it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a screen out to the perimeter, but then they
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  Speaker 2: take the slot receiver instead. He takes a step like
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  Speaker 2: he's going to block and then he angles back in
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  Speaker 2: towards the ball. And, and then they get, they've got
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  Speaker 2: some linemen out in front and Seattle just, took bad angles,
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  Speaker 2: pursued bad. And again, both, both JV safeties were poor
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  Speaker 2: on that play. You're talking about the play where it
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  Speaker 2: kind of went right. And then he just like did
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  Speaker 2: this little jump to the inside receiver lane who then
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  Speaker 2: took it left and, for 21 yards sideline i put
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  Speaker 2: two stars by that i'm like yeah that's nothing that
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  Speaker 2: mike mcdonald's defense don't they don't allow that play i
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  Speaker 2: mean and i was gonna ask you is that just
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  Speaker 2: schemed upright or was that just goofy i mean how
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  Speaker 2: on earth did that turn into a 21 yard play
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  Speaker 2: i suppose you could say it's in the category of
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  Speaker 2: a double move uh most people wouldn't say that but
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  Speaker 2: But it's a counter. It's a misdirection. You're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get everybody flowing towards the defense's left sideline. And then
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  Speaker 2: you're breaking back inside as well designed play. But again,
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  Speaker 2: the safeties both took bad angles on the play, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and that's where.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Did I mention Julian Love? You ought to see my
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  Speaker 2: text with my, my, my friends from college, man. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, we get it. We get it.
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  Speaker 1: You think Julian Love's good, right? Well, not just good.
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  Speaker 1: He has been great these first two games.
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  Speaker 2: Like maybe the best Seahawks player not named Jackson Smith
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  Speaker 2: and Jigbo on the field the first couple of games.
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  Speaker 2: So to lose him, and practice this week and then
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  Speaker 2: have the team play.
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  Speaker 1: So uncharacteristically. Yeah. Let's emphasize that. You're damn right. We
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  Speaker 1: win that game with Julian Love on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And let's use the adjective that Mike McDonald did after the,
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinal game just a week ago. He said he's,
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  Speaker 2: he's an elite NFL safety. And then he enumerated, you know,
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  Speaker 2: several attributes that make him so, so, so yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was missing the, the second touchdown was, He goes, Mariota
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  Speaker 2: goes three steps, no hits. He's got a man in
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  Speaker 2: his face. And the Seahawks, they were in a too
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  Speaker 2: deep defense. The commanders had trips left. So you'd say,
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  Speaker 2: Ernest Jones, you have to, the term is called push
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  Speaker 2: to the trips. But in a too high structure, you
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  Speaker 2: still have to have a presence in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: So you could say that Ernest Jones kind of pushed
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  Speaker 2: a little bit aggressively to the trips, which opened up
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  Speaker 2: a hole. But that's an automatic trigger for the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: where he's like, okay, I got my three receiver side.
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  Speaker 2: I got a concept there. Oh, look at Ernest Jones.
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  Speaker 2: He is pushing hard. That's opening up a window. And
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  Speaker 2: now I'm working on Drake Thomas. Drake Thomas has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of attributes, but he's not great in coverage. Down
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  Speaker 2: in the red zone, he's not real tall, so you
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like he's covering a lot of ground. And
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  Speaker 2: they had a wide receiver in the backfield to kind
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  Speaker 2: of hold Drake Thomas. And then you wrap this in-breaking
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  Speaker 2: route right in front of Finley, and he just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's just a little bit flat footed, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: as the reaction time isn't there.
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  Speaker 1: And so you get a touchdown right in front of
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  Speaker 1: a backup safety.
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  Speaker 2: And then they got a third touchdown right on Josh Jobe,
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  Speaker 2: where it looked like he should have made the play.
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  Speaker 2: And Mariota beats him in the third quarter for a
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  Speaker 2: touchdown to McLaurin again, who just continuously kept coming up
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  Speaker 2: with chain moving or scoring plays in this contest. So
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  Speaker 2: what did Jobe do wrong there? Because it looked like
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  Speaker 2: an awful lot. Well, McLaurin got the inside release. So
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  Speaker 2: he's head up. And then once he got the inside release,
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  Speaker 2: if you're coaching McLaurin, you say, okay, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: go inside, but it's on a go route. Now you've
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  Speaker 2: got to stack them and get on top. And that's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what he did. So I think that he was probably, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: he bared the signs, bore the signs of a guy
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  Speaker 2: that thought it was going to be an outside release.
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  Speaker 2: And so now the separation is created when he goes inside,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a veteran receiver.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to stack immediately. And yet, you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Ball wasn't really on time, but Mariotti kind of drifting
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  Speaker 2: to his left. He had the presence to do a
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  Speaker 2: low trajectory ball and get the ball. And so when
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  Speaker 2: Job turned, he had caught up. He was in a
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  Speaker 2: position to make the play, but the trajectory of the
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  Speaker 2: ball was got on the receiver fast enough that Joe
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  Speaker 2: just looked, you know, it's a bad play.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bad play by the corner.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, uh, you didn't get any help from Rodney
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  Speaker 2: Thomas coming from the inside, uh, safety. And so, um, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's, that's just the anatomy of a, of a,
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  Speaker 2: of a, um, of a corner getting beat for a
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  Speaker 2: touchdown by a good receiver.
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  Speaker 1: But, uh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Credit Mariota for buying some time. And again, I like
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  Speaker 2: the trajectory from that perspective. But even before then, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Jobe did not have a good game. There was a
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  Speaker 2: slot out, slot out route that I believe McCorn, a
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  Speaker 2: kind of a sale, intermediate out route. And it's like
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  Speaker 2: wide open. And you're looking and you're going, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: why is Jobe? Chasing the slant. So the concept from
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  Speaker 2: the commander is the widest guy close to the sideline.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to run a slant in a zone that
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  Speaker 2: with Job, he he had help with Eamon Worry. So
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  Speaker 2: Job is the flat defender. The next inside guy is
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  Speaker 2: Eamon Worry, who is the curl defender. And so if
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  Speaker 2: Job is thinking properly, he would be like, okay, here
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  Speaker 2: I am on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any help behind me.
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  Speaker 2: So I still have to sink if number one reduces
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  Speaker 2: inside of me. All right, number one reduces inside of me.
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  Speaker 2: Don't chase him. Let me sink back and under and
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  Speaker 2: look for an outbreaking route from two. What's two? Just
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  Speaker 2: the counting outside in. That's what his thought process should be. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: he chases. What do we say? Reduces, goes into the ball, expand,
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  Speaker 2: goes away. He reduces too far. And Mariota with a
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  Speaker 2: guy in his, oh, that was with DeMarcus Loris right
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  Speaker 2: in his face, just standing flat footed, but he just
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  Speaker 2: could loft the ball over there because of a total
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  Speaker 2: breakdown in zone coverage. So, This is the type of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen a lot. I mean, it didn't even get
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  Speaker 2: to 200 yards. If you're asking me, you know, Mariota's
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  Speaker 2: good plays, you know, I think they were in a,
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  Speaker 2: you described many of them in the onset of this segment,
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  Speaker 2: but these are some of the specifics. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: hit those slant routes. There's a couple slant routes where
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  Speaker 2: he had only one spot to put it. under good coverage,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes by Job, but he pinpointed that ball. He hit
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  Speaker 2: the size of a coffee mug target. So he was
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  Speaker 2: on point, and he allowed him to feel good in
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  Speaker 2: part because the first domino was the price fumble.
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  Speaker 1: That was zero to zero.
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  Speaker 2: He gave him a short field, and now all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, juice got on that sideline. Juice got in
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  Speaker 2: the fans. Juice got in the backup quarterback. And from
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  Speaker 2: there on, it was OK.
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  Speaker 1: Game on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's not like a Josh Allen, the Seahawks,
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  Speaker 2: but he was he was, I think, as that's about
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  Speaker 2: the least confused quarterback against a Mike McDonald defense that
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  Speaker 2: I've seen since Matt Stafford. And I'll give him credit
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  Speaker 2: for that because I didn't think it was still in him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would want to stop you right there. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to try and embolden this thing. I'm going to emboss this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not just going to write it with a black
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  Speaker 2: on marker. I want it popped up from the page.
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  Speaker 2: That play sheet for Mike McDonald is drastically reduced when
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  Speaker 2: he's got both safeties out. Right, right. Both safeties, young safeties,
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  Speaker 2: guys off the street.
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  Speaker 1: You should have said that earlier.
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  Speaker 2: You should have said love was a big miss then,
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  Speaker 2: if you really meant that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some were buried on my notes like on
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  Speaker 1: the 17th page. I think I wrote– I might have
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  Speaker 1: written down Jordan Love. Jordan Love. Julian Love. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But the call sheet, it wasn't just one because they played,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they played with Love and Rodney Thomas thus
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  Speaker 2: far because Okada hasn't played yet, right? Like go back
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  Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. Kobe Bryant was your dude. And
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  Speaker 2: then you say, well, um, we can get by with
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  Speaker 2: Ty Okada, uh, and then we'll draft the kid from TCU,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the second, we'll spend a second rounder
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  Speaker 2: to replace Kobe Bryant. We'll expect the second rounder to, uh,
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  Speaker 2: to come around, you know, mid season, but, but we'll
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  Speaker 2: have Ty Okada. Well, look, look at, so, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Bryant's gone. He's a Chicago bear.
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  Speaker 2: Um, Your rookie is out for the season, and Ty
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  Speaker 2: Okada's got a hamstring. So you are in a state
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  Speaker 2: with your safeties that you never thought.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be in. And then you lose love and practice
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  Speaker 1: this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you could even function, even with all
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  Speaker 2: of that happening, you could function with love and Rodney Thomas. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But the, the dam just finally broke. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: With all everything. And, and, and, and, and, and when, when.
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  Speaker 2: You look at Mike McDonald's call sheet, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that stuff that he looks at and goes, can't
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  Speaker 2: do it. Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Not going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't trust my, my guys are going
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  Speaker 2: to line up right. And, and execute this. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's a, it's a relatively vanilla call sheet and Mariota's
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  Speaker 2: been around long enough and, You know, when he was fooled,
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  Speaker 2: he found a little bit of, you know, there was
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  Speaker 2: enough breakdown by the Seahawks. Can I bring this up, too,
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  Speaker 2: because it's being mentioned a lot. We haven't discussed it yet.
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  Speaker 2: I might be opening myself up to you thinking I'm
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  Speaker 2: nuts on this. We've had different discussions about when to
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  Speaker 2: kick field goals and when to go for it.
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  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people that are just saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we lost by two.
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  Speaker 2: If we were to kick those three points at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the first half, we would have won the game.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue, Hugh, we got those three points. The
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  Speaker 2: whole point of going for it at the two-yard line
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  Speaker 2: was to get seven points. Theory being that even if
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  Speaker 2: they stop us, we can get the ball back and
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  Speaker 2: kick that field goal, which the Seahawks did. So my
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  Speaker 2: argument to those that are trying to say that we
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  Speaker 2: lost the game because Mike McDonald went for it on
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  Speaker 2: fourth and two, number one. Can we not trust Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonald at this point with his math?
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  Speaker 1: And then number two.
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  Speaker 2: No, it actually worked, that strategy for going forward at
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  Speaker 2: the two-yard line because you did get the ball back
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  Speaker 2: and you did get the three points. The effort on
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  Speaker 2: fourth and goal from the two was to try to
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: get seven. And had we gotten the seven and executed
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: at the goal line because we can run the football,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: we would have also had the requisite points to win
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the football game.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Your feeling was at that point, but I haven't been.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Able to express mine about that end of the half.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I was texted the same thing on a group.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I did the explanation, and you just explained it better
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: than me. That is absolutely part of the calculus is
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: you say, okay, if we don't get it, we play
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: defense for three downs, force them to punt, and they'll
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: be punting out of their end zone, and we're damn near.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: In field goal range anyway.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And so, yes.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Now, they got the ball at 113, and then they
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: kicked the field goal at 52 seconds, right? The problem
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: at the end of the second quarter is they gave
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: up another field goal. Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. So, you know, the calculus is right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I promise you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You could get all an army of mathematicians from MIT
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that could study all the history of the league. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: then you could even season it with the idea of
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the seahawk being a good defense and and and somehow
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: put that in the math equation as well and you're
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: going to say all right you're maximizing your opportunity for
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: points by doing it that way because you got you
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: got some probability greater than zero you're going to get
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: a touchdown correct get seven points right and then if
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you don't get the seven points your probability of getting
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: three is is substantially high.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: When they're starting at the two yard.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so yeah, that Delta in the probability, if
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you just take the three to begin with, and then
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the other thing that's, that's has really impacted is, is
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: with the new kickoff rules, teams are starting later. And, and,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and I mentioned it in the prior hour, the commanders
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: started after Seahawks kickoffs on six kickoffs. They, they started
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: at the, a little over the 35 in one foot
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to be precise. So the 35-yard line, if you kick
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the field goal, then they've got the ball.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: At 52 seconds.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 52 seconds at their 35. They got the ball back. So, yes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: there was time to even get the ball back. But
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the math that goes into that decision is– That we can,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: even if we don't get this, we can get the
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: ball back against our defense.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: They're starting at the two. There's a good chance we're
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: going to get the field goal anyway.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: What he didn't factor in certainly was that there was
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: going to be time left and they were going to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: be successful enough to get back into field goal range themselves,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: which they did.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just, that's where.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Mostly Seattle defense was was OK, but they they certainly
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: were off their game. Like like the idea that that
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: they played Mike McDonald's brand of defense.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, Mike McDonald, first and foremost, would say, hey,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: sudden change in the rain with a backup quarterback.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: You have to force a field goal attempt.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Don't let him go down and get a touchdown to
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: start at 7-0. And the other part of that now,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: his calculus is, okay, if we don't get the touchdown
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: on offense, then there's a good chance in four downs
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: their punter is going to be standing with his heels
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: on the back of the ankle, which is what happened.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: All right, Hugh Mellon is with us. One more segment
• 22:11
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• 22:14
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• 22:19
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• 22:20
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• 22:30
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• 22:37
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• 22:48
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• 22:50
  Speaker 2: There are three teams on by in the Big Ten
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in week six, and it's telling me there are only two.
• 22:58
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• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Now I got to go through every single damn team.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Look at their schedule.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Try to figure out who's missing from the equation. It's
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like trying to find Waldo.
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• 23:08
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• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Monday morning quarterback session continues here with Hugh Millen.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And if you're just joining us, you missed all.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Of the grade A analysis of yesterday's unfortunate 33-31 loss
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to the Washington Commanders, but not the only team to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: lose over the weekend that hurt a little bit around
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: these here parts. The Huskies also fell to Minnesota and
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: feels like we should talk about this a little bit
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: here this morning. Hugh, former UW quarterback Hugh Millen, who
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: watched the Huskies fall to Minnesota 27-24 on Saturday night. And, man,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I know DeMond Williams did not play a good game,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: but he just didn't have help anywhere. The offensive line
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: was leaky, the running game nonexistent, and I don't think
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: they schemed receivers open very well for him either during
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the course of the game. But what was your analysis? Well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I agree with all of that. I think that he,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: DeMond Williams, had more opportunities in, I think that that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: first interception where they were trying to do that off
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the naked bootleg, the fact that Anthony Smith, who's a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: preseason second-team All-American, the fact that he would have that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: violent a hit and cause that much havoc, obviously with
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the interception, it doesn't get much worse than that unless
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the quarterback had got hurt. That just shut down their
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: movement game. And you saw Jed very reluctant, if at all,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to get him outside the pocket for a long time.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And so now he's in the pocket. And, you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: there's just too often where we don't have the time
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to go into the details, but he has progressions and
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have a sense of, okay, after the ball snapped,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: based on this movement, I'm going to have a window
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: over here. He shows so many signs of, of predetermining.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'll just to give an example,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: he had, he had one, he throws over to the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: right flat. And the, I think it was caught for
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: one yard might've been incomplete. It doesn't even matter. Cause
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it was, it was going to be zero one yards.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And that whole defense was flowing over to that side.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But again, if he's looking when the, when the ball snapped,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he knows there's this giant window that's coming right over
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field that the tight end would
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: come and the tight end is going to be open
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: for on what's called a basic. He's going to be open,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: nice intermediate completion, easy pitch and catch. And he doesn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: have right now. He has not developed the sense of, okay,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: this is my progression, but it's going to be based
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: on the coverage. And, And the progression isn't just with
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: your eyes. Sometimes the progression is with your mind. Like, yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the playbook says this is number three guy, but I
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: can eliminate it. I already went through my progression one
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: and two, and let me come back and get this
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: tight end over the middle. So the checkdowns, just be
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: aware of where your checkdowns are. Don't just start scrambling
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: all around. This is an axiom in football that people
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: just cannot launch onto. Athletic quarterbacks always take more sacks
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: than non-athletic quarterbacks. And I can absolutely freaking prove it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: It's because athletic quarterbacks, they have two tools. They have
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: their mind and they have their legs. And sometimes they're
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: not sure which tool to use to get out of trouble.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Non-athletic quarterbacks only have one. They have one tool, their mind.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: They know they're not going to use their feet to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: get away from trouble.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So who... has the most acute hearing? The blind man.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And this is true for Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady's last two years in the NFL as a 45-year-old.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Who do you think had the lowest sack rate in
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the NFL?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Who had the highest? You're not going to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: get this. It was Justin Fields.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: A 25-year-old Justin Fields had the highest sack rate And
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady had the lowest. So people get so fixated
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and they say, oh, well, man, imagine if he wasn't athletic. Well,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at an athletic quarterback and I'm saying, dude,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: there's your outlet.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Just stay in the throwing position.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Don't panic. Don't run all around. Just hit your back foot.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: You know, read the defense and get rid of the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: ball to where your outlets are. Have an awareness of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: where everybody is. And that's because you have the mindset.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to beat the, uh, the, the, uh, to avoid sacks
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: as well as you have your feet to avoid sacks,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: but know how to use them both.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You have great tools in that regard.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And so he hit the art of quarterbacking is, is,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: you know, right now he he's far from it.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: It was like the quarterback comparison was like Simone Biles
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: versus a Barco lounger.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Uh, And the Barco lounger won. Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And, you know, and, you know, against the better opponents,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the flashy runs are few and fewer.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You know, guys, they had that big, that big nose tackle,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that big. I don't know, man.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: He looks like a guy who, you know, just got
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: back from a monster truck. You know the guy I'm
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: talking about? Yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Was it 93? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sternum or– yeah, Sternum
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah. Yeah, he wreaked havoc the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: whole game. Riley Sunrim.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, how is he getting our quarterback on the ground?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But he was. Yeah, he was.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: And so the higher you go up in competition– the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: more the front seven is going to have some athleticism
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and your feet aren't always going to get it. I mean,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: he had a long run down the sideline, was a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: blatant hold. So, you know, you negate that. That would
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: be my idea. They just look lost. They look in trouble.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: They look in deep trouble. They look in deep trouble.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And the creativity in the running game, very vanilla. I mean,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: they've got to find a way, you know, run the toss.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: run fly sweeps. They've got to try and get outside
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: and just stop running inside zone from basic formations. Like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you're not making guys think enough. The creativity with the formations,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the shifts, the motions, the ghost– reverses, what have you
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like there's, there's not enough eye candy. People are coming
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: downhill and they're coming downhill over and over again on
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just inside zone. And then the line can't, the line
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: isn't getting movement. And so, yeah, it's, it's, it's not
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: one thing, Chuck, I'll promise you that.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: No doubt.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: And then USC and Iowa in the next couple of weeks.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: So good luck getting well against them. Just a bad weekend.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: There's a bad weekend of football here in Seattle, Hugh.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And no playoff baseball. And no playoff baseball. Thanks for
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: throwing that on.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a blue Monday, man.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: All right, man. You're the best. Thank you very much.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Appreciate you guys. All right.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Our QB1, Hugh Millen, joining us here for a Monday
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: morning quarterback session. Sorry we didn't have better news to impart,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: but at least the analysis was top notch.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: We're going to close out our show. The only way
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: we know how to do it. One last thing is next.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Hugh Mellon, thank you to Greg Bell.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Our Monday morning quarterback session having come.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: To a close.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Greg, of course, got his entire show coming up here
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: at the top of the hour with Jessamyn to provide
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: some Seahawks information, details, analysis, you name it, opinions. It's
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: coming your way, and he'll probably spend most of his
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: show on baseball, it sounds like.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: All right, close us out. One last thing. What do
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you got there, Anders? Bigger picture stuff with the Seahawks.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Look, I mean, it felt like one of those games
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: yesterday that nothing went your way. You're in a 12
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: game winning streak. It's your starting quarterbacks, really his first
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: game of the year. You have none of your safeties.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: You're starting running back.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It's bench.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: You turn the ball over three times. Every play was
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: going the commander's way. Marcus Marietta plays his socks off
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: for the first time in five plus years. And you
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: still had a chance to win the game. Probably should
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: have won the game. That tells me bigger picture stuff.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: This team's fine.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: You look at the Rams lost again. 49ers got another
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: guy hurt.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Three more guys hurt. Trent Williams, Dre Greenlaw, and Mike Evans.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: All three got injured in their win yesterday.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Those three guys.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Never get hurt. Yeah, that whole team never gets hurt.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: It's so weird having that happen to them, you know
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Healthy as a horse, that group.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm just taking the thought process of, yes, put that
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: loss in a vacuum against a team you should not
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: have lost to. Totally, like, frustrating with all the plays
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: that we broke down with you. But you're not going
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: to win every game. This is one of those where...
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: everything went wrong and the seahawks still had a chance
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: to come out on top and they unfortunately weren't able
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: to do so they'll be fine i want i think
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: coming back home will do good for them so hopefully
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: they can kind of get things on the right path
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: but i just wanted to put things in a little
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: bit of a zoomed out perspective.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'm not worried at all about the result i
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: mean it was crazy and flukish and i told you
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: friday i didn't see any way that the Seahawks can
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: lose this game, and yet they figured out the one
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: way to do it. Minus three turnovers, 21 points off turnovers,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: but I really think they lost the game because of
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: how uncharacteristic the team played defensively. Yeah, overall, statistically, they
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: played well, and they shut down the run in the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: second half like they always do, but allowing the commanders
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: to consistently get touchdowns instead of field goals is just
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: so uncharacteristic Mariota didn't look as confused as most quarterbacks
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: do and Hugh mapped it out really well it's because
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of the absence of the safety so I'm not worried
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: about it but that was certainly a shocking loss in
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: my eyes and very uncharacteristic way for this football team
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: yes a Mike McDonald football team.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: To lose a game Travis what's.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Your one last thing well I fear that my time
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: on the morning show is coming to a close soon
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: I just wanted to share with you and the listeners
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: how much fun and how great a time I had.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: We laughed and we cried. It was an amazing time,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: and I'm going to miss it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: We're going to miss you. But, of course, Travis isn't
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: going to go anywhere. He's still going to be around,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure you're going to be back here and there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Starting tomorrow for two straight weeks, I will be filling
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: in on Softie.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: That'll be fun. Downgrade. Downgrade an experience.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: We love having you on, and we loved having you
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: on here for the last couple of weeks.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Totally agree.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad you're still part of the staff, and
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: so we still get to see you and hang out
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: with you and have you fill in on an occasion.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: But it's been.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Great having you the last couple of weeks. Love it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Likewise.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: And we do have an announcement.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I could make it today because the person has— In
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the building. Like, I'm looking at him right now. But
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: there was so much going on today. I'm like, we're
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: not even going to mention you. We're just, just be
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: quiet and we'll announce tomorrow. It's got to be a
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: big deal. Yeah, where we actually have some time to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: discuss it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. So we do have an announcement to make.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: We are going to add another piece to the morning
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: show here starting tomorrow.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I'm going to close with my one last thing. I
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: think I've gone on softy show like 15 times this
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: baseball season somewhere in that area. And, of course, I'm
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the person that at the All-Star break I did an
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: entire show and it turned into an entire broadcast day
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and everything else about me calling for Dan Wilson's job
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: coming out of the All-Star break. And probably I've– well, actually,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like I was more patient than I should
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: have been– I don't celebrate in any way Dan being
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: let go yesterday. It's just the right decision to make,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and it is long overdue. But every time I've gone
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: on Softie Show, well, if you're going to fire him,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: then who are you going to replace him with? And
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I've given the same answer every single time. Apparently it
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: just doesn't get remembered. It is that person. Yeah. Tori
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Lovullo has been the name that I've– now I've said
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Kevin Cash as well, but you'd have to trade somebody
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to get Kevin Cash. Torrey Lovello missed the playoffs by,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I guess, two games technically. He went into yesterday with
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: a shot. Arizona still had a shot of making the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: playoffs yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently they're not too happy with him.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: And he made a statement yesterday saying, I just want
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: to be where I'm wanted. This isn't somebody that's proven
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: he can win it all, but he has gone to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a World Series. And he's got a pretty good reputation
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: out there. And I think, I'm pretty sure he's got
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a reputation, or excuse me, a relationship with Jerry DiPoto.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And so, this morning, just this morning, rumor mill already has... Mariners,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Torrey Lovullo possibly being a marriage.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Going forward.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And so we'll see. We'll see what ends up happening
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: on that front. But if you can't get Kevin Cash,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and you probably can't without parting with a decent player,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: then Torrey Lovullo has been somebody that I've been talking
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: about now for two, three months. Yep. as a possible replacement.
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  Speaker 2: And so I certainly feel better. I've always said, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: don't know any information, but that's just my gut take
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: on things. Well, obviously my gut feels a lot better
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: today than at any time.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Having talked about a.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Lot of those factors makes sense. I think a guy
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: that is like, has done decent with a middling roster
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: He went to it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Like you said, he went to a world series in
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: 2023 with a far worse roster than the Mariners have
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: had in the last couple of years. He is comfortable
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: with analytics, but also makes gut-feel decisions as well. Players
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: seem to really like him. Very player-friendly.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Very player-friendly, but has a little more backbone than Dan
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: when it comes to that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Which I think is needed.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Which I think is... desperately needed. So don't be surprised.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know for sure. Again, I still don't have
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: any information, but people are starting to put the two together,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: at least in the rumor mill, which is something we've been.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Talking about for a while here on this show. So
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: there you go. That's my last two cents of the day. Travis,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: thanks again. Yeah, appreciate you, man. Thank you, man. See
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you around.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow with our new member of
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the morning show. Coming up next, you've got Greg Bell.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: You've got Jessamyn McIntyre. Greg's going to broadcast from New York,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: for goodness sake.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, whoa. Oh, fancy pants, Bell. Yeah.
• 38:49
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