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I Smell Pop Culture: Sixpence None The Richer · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all in again. Oh, let's just you.
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  Speaker 2: I Smell Pop Culture with Easton Allen and iHeart Radio podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Do you smell what I'm cooking? You probably do. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is Easton Allen. This is the I Am and
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  Speaker 2: podcast I Smell Pop Culture one eleven productions. I Heard Radio,
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  Speaker 2: I Heard Media, I Heard podcasts. Thanks again for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: We're so excited this one. We're going back to the
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  Speaker 2: very first moment of Gilmore Girls for this interview.
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  Speaker 1: Today.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking to someone very important that has a connection
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  Speaker 2: to the very first frame of Gilmore Girls that you
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  Speaker 2: could ever see. We're really really excited about it, and
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  Speaker 2: it got me thinking about the importance of a theme song,
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  Speaker 2: the importance of an intro. You know, I'm personally I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna let you into my world a little bit. My
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  Speaker 2: name is Easton and I'm hosting this show. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of you don't know who I am,
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  Speaker 2: so let's let's get to know me a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I love theme songs. I listen to theme songs for
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  Speaker 2: pleasure on my playlist right now I have I just
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  Speaker 2: listened to the Entertainment Tonight theme song that doesn't even
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  Speaker 2: have any lyrics. That's just the trumpets. I love theme
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  Speaker 2: songs so much. I think they are so important and
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  Speaker 2: I think that they they produce a feeling within you
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  Speaker 2: that normal songs cannot. And I don't know what that
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  Speaker 2: says about my brain, but like, there are so many
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  Speaker 2: good theme songs out there that you can't like, I
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  Speaker 2: have to rip these from YouTube and put them on
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  Speaker 2: my playlist. I think theme songs are so important. I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious what your favorite theme songs are. You leave a
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  Speaker 2: comment on the Instagram of this of this episode and
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  Speaker 2: tell me what your favorite theme songs of all time are.
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  Speaker 2: The theme song to Gilmore Girls, of Course, is where
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  Speaker 2: you lead. It's by King or her daughter Luise Goffin.
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  Speaker 2: But if you go back to the pilot episode, it
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  Speaker 2: is a different theme song. And this song that I
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  Speaker 2: will tell you in a moment here, this song was
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  Speaker 2: also the theme or the intro to a movie that
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  Speaker 2: I love so dearly. It's called So I Married an
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  Speaker 2: AX Murderer and it's with Mike Myers. And if you
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen that movie, watch that movie immediately. I absolutely
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  Speaker 2: love it. But it uses the same theme song and
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  Speaker 2: it's so good at setting the stage at getting setting
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  Speaker 2: you up for what you're about to experience. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you more about that theme song and
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  Speaker 2: why we're interviewing the person we're interviewing today.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, So when we do that, when we toss
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  Speaker 2: to commercials, I just want everyone listening. While you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to those commercials, I am jogging in place. I'm doing
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  Speaker 2: push up. I am not resting the entire We do
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  Speaker 2: it in real time too. I don't just like say,
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  Speaker 2: let's hear some commercials then I walk, then I skip ahead.
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  Speaker 2: No no, no, I said there. For the entire time
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  Speaker 2: you've heard commercials, I have been jogging in place. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm there with you. I am in the trenches. This
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  Speaker 2: is Easton Allen. It's the I AML and podcasts. I
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  Speaker 2: smell pop culture. We're talking about theme songs at the
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  Speaker 2: start there, we're talking about the importance of them, how
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  Speaker 2: they set the mood for a TV show, for a movie.
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  Speaker 2: If you go back to the pilot of Gilmore Girls,
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  Speaker 2: the very first episode, the first frame of Gilmore Experience,
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  Speaker 2: the first moment of Stars Hollow, you're going to hear
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  Speaker 2: There she Goes by the Laws. That's a song that
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  Speaker 2: released in nineteen ninety originally, and it's such a good song.
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  Speaker 2: And I know you're all familiar with it because if
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  Speaker 2: you're listening to this podcast, you've definitely seen the pilot
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  Speaker 2: of Gilmore Girls. Come on Now. It's such a good song.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have covered it over the years.
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  Speaker 2: The Buu Radleys covered it in the aforementioned So I
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  Speaker 2: Married an Ax Murderer, and in nineteen nine, Sixpence None
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  Speaker 2: the Richer covered it and they just shot up the
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  Speaker 2: chart with that version. It's so beloved it. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that think that There She Goes is
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  Speaker 2: their song. There's a lot of people that believe they
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  Speaker 2: don't know it's a cover. They think it's a Sixpence
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  Speaker 2: on the Richer song. It is such a good version too,
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  Speaker 2: they really they put their sixpence spin on it and
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  Speaker 2: it's so good. So today we are going to talk
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  Speaker 2: to Lee Nash, who is the singer of Sixpence on
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  Speaker 2: the Richer. She has a heavenly voice that you hear
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  Speaker 2: when you listen to There she Goes, when you listen
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  Speaker 2: to kiss Me, when you listen to Don't Dream It's over.
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  Speaker 2: These are some amazing songs, and Lee Nash is the
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  Speaker 2: voice behind them all. She's been the singer of Sixpence
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  Speaker 2: on The Richer since they formed. They've been nominated for Grammy.
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  Speaker 2: They've been such an integral part of pop culture, especially
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  Speaker 2: the nineties pop culture. They're like just ingrained in the
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  Speaker 2: nineties and we're going to talk to Lee. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: hear all those stories. We're going to talk to her
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  Speaker 2: about there. She goes, Hey, Hey, a huge Gilmore Girls
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  Speaker 2: fan too, so we're gonna talk Gilmore. We're so excited
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  Speaker 2: to have Lee Nash on with us. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're actually on on tour right now. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to see sixpence on The Richer Live, you have a chance.
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  Speaker 2: They're in as we record this. They're in Orlando and
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  Speaker 2: that's where Lee is joining us from. Uh but there's
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  Speaker 2: still many dates left on the tour throughout the month
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  Speaker 2: of December. You can get all that information at sixpence
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  Speaker 2: on The Richer dot com. But come in live from
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  Speaker 2: the dressing room in Orlando, Florida. We have Lee Nash
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  Speaker 2: here with us now. Lee, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: doing this. How's it going.
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  Speaker 3: It's going great. Thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 2: We're such big fans. I mean, you're such an icon.
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  Speaker 2: Your songs are such an integral part of popular culture.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to go back to the beginning. I
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  Speaker 2: want to go back to the to the start here.
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  Speaker 2: You grew up in New Bronfels, Texas. Uh, and it's
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  Speaker 2: sixpence on the richer is such an early inspiration for
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  Speaker 2: so many artists now. But I want to know when
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  Speaker 2: you were growing up and you were first getting into
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  Speaker 2: music who inspired you.
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  Speaker 3: It was Patsy Kline and Willie Nelson. Because I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in the hill country in Texas. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: just that's what my parents were influenced by, and therefore
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  Speaker 3: that's what I had around to listen to, and so
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  Speaker 3: it was really a lot of older country artists and
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  Speaker 3: kind of still is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because especially like in your solo music, like you,
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  Speaker 2: it's more of a country style now, is that right, A.
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  Speaker 3: Little bit more singer songwriter esque kind of stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I did a lot of solo work while I was
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  Speaker 3: raising my son the last twenty one years, and now
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  Speaker 3: it's really fun to be back out with the band
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  Speaker 3: and touring again. We're having a really good time. And
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, that's where you're catching me today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as we record this, Lee's in Orlando, Florida, about
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  Speaker 2: to play, about to play a show. I'm going to say,
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  Speaker 2: you're backstage right now, you're right about to go on. Huh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But how did Sixpence on the Richer start? Like, how
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  Speaker 2: did you guys all meet? How did the band start?
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  Speaker 3: Matt Slocum, the guitar player and principal writer in the band.
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  Speaker 3: He and I met in like nineteen ninety two. I
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  Speaker 3: think I was a freshman in high school and he
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  Speaker 3: had just written his first song and he heard me
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  Speaker 3: singing I think in church or or in school like
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  Speaker 3: a talent show, and wanted to hear what I sounded
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  Speaker 3: like singing this song that he wrote. And so that's
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  Speaker 3: that was a very humble beginning. He just literally handed
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  Speaker 3: me a take on a bus, on like a school bus,
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  Speaker 3: and there we were. I sang it and it's had
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  Speaker 3: a nice sound to it, I suppose. I'm mean, I
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  Speaker 3: go back and hear it now, and I'm like, what
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  Speaker 3: did anybody ever see in this band? But I'm thankful
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  Speaker 3: that that people have connected with our music. What's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: Your vocal style is so distinct, and like as soon
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  Speaker 2: as you sing one note, people know like, oh this
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  Speaker 2: is a sixpence on the richer song. How what was
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  Speaker 2: the process like of like finding that style for yourself?
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  Speaker 3: For myself as a vocalist, I have to say, it's
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  Speaker 3: it's come straight from God. I had nothing to do
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  Speaker 3: with I don't mean to sound too woo woo or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean to be annoying in that sense, but
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  Speaker 3: I really can't credit it. I didn't take any lessons
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  Speaker 3: to speak of. I mean, I was a in choir
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  Speaker 3: in high school and that was great. I add a
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  Speaker 3: great teacher. But I think I just let my my
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  Speaker 3: humanness get out my voice, like like I think Leonard
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  Speaker 3: Cohen said, maybe it was somebody else. I let my
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  Speaker 3: heart inform my throat. So that's yeah, that's my style.
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  Speaker 3: And then as far as sixpence in our sound, I
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  Speaker 3: know when I met Matt, he was listening to a
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  Speaker 3: lot of really cool bands like XTC and Sam Phillips,
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  Speaker 3: which I know probably she comes up quite a bit
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  Speaker 3: maybe on this podca but in the Sundays of course
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  Speaker 3: and the Cranberries, And I think I already said XTC,
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  Speaker 3: but lots of lots of really cool bands that I
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  Speaker 3: had never heard of and probably wouldn't have because I
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  Speaker 3: was too busy listening to Willie Nelson. So when we
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  Speaker 3: put our styles together, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so curious.
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  Speaker 2: What when you first start the band and you guys
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  Speaker 2: first start writing songs, like, what was that collaborative process?
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  Speaker 3: Like, well, it wasn't very collaborative as far as writing
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  Speaker 3: at certainly not getting because I was so young. I
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  Speaker 3: was sick fifteen turning sixteen when we made our first record,
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  Speaker 3: and Matt had written all the songs. But there is
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  Speaker 3: always a collaboration, you know, with a vocalist and new music.
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  Speaker 3: And again, like his I was so young, not that
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't. He was also very young, but just a
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  Speaker 3: lot smarter than me and read a lot more books.
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  Speaker 3: So the lyrics were really to me, and I think
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  Speaker 3: they are mystical. I think they're really beautiful, and we're
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  Speaker 3: doing some of that really really early material on this
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  Speaker 3: tour and it's it's crazy, like how the meanings of
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  Speaker 3: the songs have changed for me over the years, And
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  Speaker 3: probably our fans would say the same. Maybe I don't
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  Speaker 3: know but any collaboration was just me trying to wrap
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  Speaker 3: my head around what I was singing and make it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, make it connect with the listener's ear and heart.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as you got on this tour and you're
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  Speaker 2: playing these songs that you wrote, like some I imagine
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  Speaker 2: you're playing some of the earlier stuff, And how does
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  Speaker 2: it when you sing it, especially in front of people,
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  Speaker 2: does it take you back to that moment you wrote it,
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  Speaker 2: or how does it feel for you to perform those
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  Speaker 2: early songs.
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  Speaker 3: It's really fun. It's really fighting getting to see the
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  Speaker 3: crowd react because will come out strong. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to give it away, but we come out really strong,
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  Speaker 3: really early stuff, and it's really loud, and I think
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  Speaker 3: people like, there's an influx of children coming to our shows.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to insult them. They're not children, but
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  Speaker 3: compared to me, I mean, they're what my age was
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  Speaker 3: when I first started, Like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kids,
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  Speaker 3: young adults coming to our shows, some of them singing
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  Speaker 3: the new material, some of them just came to hear
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  Speaker 3: there she goes and kissed me. But it's I think
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  Speaker 3: it's amazing and really a full circle moment for us
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  Speaker 3: as a band to be kind of somehow harvesting these
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  Speaker 3: new young fans. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And the name sixpence on the Richard, it's such a
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  Speaker 2: good name. Every time I say it, I feel smart.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those kind of band names like I
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  Speaker 2: feel so intelligent when I get to say it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a C. S. Lewis quote, Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? It comes from a book by C. S.
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  Speaker 3: Lewis called Me a Christianity And a child asked his
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  Speaker 3: father to buy him or for money to buy the
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  Speaker 3: father a birthday gift, and the father gladly gives the
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  Speaker 3: son the money, but he's no richer for the transaction.
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  Speaker 3: And C. S Lewis was comparing that to our relationship
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  Speaker 3: with God and how really anything that we have comes
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  Speaker 3: from comes from that source.
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  Speaker 2: I love the connection to faith that your music has had,
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  Speaker 2: and that is that still a major part of the
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  Speaker 2: band today.
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  Speaker 3: It is. I think everybody's in a different place with
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  Speaker 3: their faith. So I can specifically speak for all the
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  Speaker 3: members of the band at all. I wouldn't even try to,
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  Speaker 3: but but I have remained very spiritual. I think we
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  Speaker 3: all have. But you know, definitely things over time, you know,
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  Speaker 3: change and perspective shift, and uh so, yeah, it's a different,
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  Speaker 3: different landscape spiritually, but still very beautiful and very important.
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  Speaker 3: It's an important part of what we do.
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  Speaker 2: You've you've done so much, You've toured all over the world,
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  Speaker 2: You've had so many hit songs. I hope you have
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  Speaker 2: an answer for this. It must be so difficult. But
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  Speaker 2: do you have like a favorite memory from the experience
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  Speaker 2: of sixpence on the richer so far?
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  Speaker 1: Is there something that stands out?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta say this is gonna sound so cheesy,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it's right. I honestly do. I think
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  Speaker 3: these days with these people, this is our original crew,
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  Speaker 3: and then we've got some people that, uh that are
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  Speaker 3: out with us. We've got a great merch person named Cameron,
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  Speaker 3: and this awesome sound person name Sunset, and we're touring
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  Speaker 3: with a percussionist, multi instrumentalist, this guy Steve hend Along
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  Speaker 3: and we're just having the best time. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I've got a lot of great memories. I you know,
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  Speaker 3: hearing our song on the radio for the first time
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  Speaker 3: was amazing, and getting to go to Japan and all
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  Speaker 3: over the world with my best friends. I mean that
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  Speaker 3: was absolutely insane, and those are certainly great memories. But
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  Speaker 3: I think at this point, knowing that we can make
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  Speaker 3: more memories and that's our intention is all the more exciting.
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  Speaker 3: So I think right now.
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  Speaker 1: I love that answer.
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  Speaker 2: I love I love looking forward and also the fact
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  Speaker 2: that when you have a sound guy named Sunset, that's
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  Speaker 2: how you know he's a good sound guy. You're playing
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  Speaker 2: some incredible places on this tour. I mean the Great
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  Speaker 2: American Music Hall I grew up going there in San
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  Speaker 2: Francisco is closing out the Troubadour in La What are
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  Speaker 2: you look at? Which city a you're looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: visiting most?
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  Speaker 3: Well? It was really interesting. The very first leg of
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  Speaker 3: the tour was twenty five days with one day in between,
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  Speaker 3: like one day off, and that's pretty that doesn't really happen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but we did it sick, but we got through it
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  Speaker 3: and didn't have to cancel any shows and my voice
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  Speaker 3: held out, which I'm so thankful for. But on that
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  Speaker 3: first run, we had a hometown show in our hometown
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  Speaker 3: of New Braunfels, Texas. It's like this little place called
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  Speaker 3: Green The oldest dance hall in Texas there is called
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  Speaker 3: Green Hall, and it's a huge place and we sold
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  Speaker 3: it out and that was insane. That was a really
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  Speaker 3: great night. And then and then like a week later,
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  Speaker 3: we were in Nashville, which has been our hometown for
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  Speaker 3: the last I don't know, for one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: years or something, and we did we played, We played
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  Speaker 3: in Nashville, and that show sold out too, So I
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  Speaker 3: guess my point is we got like two really big
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  Speaker 3: ones out of the way. We're so thankful they were
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  Speaker 3: sold out. They were amazing shows. So the pressure kind
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  Speaker 3: of feels off. But then we keep coming to these
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  Speaker 3: markets we haven't been to in such a long time
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  Speaker 3: and finding that there's still an audience in these places
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  Speaker 3: for us, and we are continually shocked and thankful from that.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, La the Troubadour is gonna be great. San
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  Speaker 3: Francisco is always amazing. A lot of these places we're
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  Speaker 3: just excited to go to for the food.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm really curious about that. What do you
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  Speaker 2: like to when you I know, you're the schedules place
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  Speaker 2: so packed when you're doing this, but like, are you know,
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  Speaker 2: do you try to get out and try something local?
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  Speaker 1: Like what are you eating when you're on the road.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yesterday we were in Key West and key Lime
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  Speaker 3: Pie came up a lot, and so that was sort
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  Speaker 3: of the deal, like the last couple of days, like
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  Speaker 3: who can find the best key Line pie? And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there were some points late at night where we'd drinking
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  Speaker 3: enough where it really didn't matter how it tasted like lime.
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  Speaker 3: I like that, But yeah, we we try to. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: some of us are more adventurous eaters than others. But
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  Speaker 3: uh yeah, some days I'll just go for what they
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  Speaker 3: have on the rider for us backstage, and sometimes I'll
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  Speaker 3: venture out and get the gumbo or whatever the local
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  Speaker 3: food is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love it so much. Lee Nash from Sixpence
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  Speaker 2: on the Richer is with us. We have so much
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  Speaker 2: more to get into. There's a couple big songs that
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about here, so stick around. We'll
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  Speaker 2: be right back. This is I Smell pop culture. We're
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  Speaker 2: here with Lee Nash from Sixpence None the Richer. So
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  Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety eight, you release kiss Me hit number
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  Speaker 2: one on American Top forty. It was nominated for a Grammy.
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  Speaker 2: How did that song come together?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Matt Slocum, my partner in the band, he wrote
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  Speaker 3: it when we were in Holland. I think probably around
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  Speaker 3: ninety six, ninety seven, maybe ninety six, And yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I wasn't there. I was I was down
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  Speaker 3: in my little motel room, gours down and he called
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: and was like, hey, I just wrote this song. Do
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: you want to try it and try to learn it
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and we'll perform it at this festival tonight. And we did,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: and yeah, it was instant. I was instantly in love
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: with this song. But that's how I feel about all
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: of that songs, Like, honestly, it's like getting a golden
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: nugget and kiss Me didn't feel any different, you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: but it did have a cool instant reaction. It felt
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: fun to play, and yeah, look it us now.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know you know this, but like Taylor Swift,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: it's the first song she learned to play on guitar.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter's covering it on her tour right now. That
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: must feel so incredible to see the song still influencing
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: pop culture now.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: It is. It's really interesting. We're learning, we're learning a
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: lot about pop culture just being on the road sort
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: of in the throes of like what I was mentioning
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: before about these young kids coming to the shows. It's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: it's like, is it because of Taylor Swift? Is it
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: because of this Sabrina Carpenter stuff or black Pink putting
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: out that? And what do you call it? Not an interpolation?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interpolation Yeah, And.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: So it could be it could be a bunch of
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: stuff or it's just being that nineties thing is kind
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: of coming back around as as as decades tend to do.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, in my opinion, people I mean
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: not not all the way across the board, but I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: think people miss you know, miss bands and like, you
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: know that nineties sound, and and I think it's rightfully missed.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It really is a special sound. It's it's worthy of
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: being revisited as often as it is. So, uh, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: kiss Me is in the movie She's All that from
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, major part of that movie. So I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: read that you've said that when you play that song
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and you're nearest staircase, there's a phenomenon that happens.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us about that?
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty I mean it's not that often that
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I'm singing that song there a staircase, but yeah, like
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: some girl will get it in her head. I've got
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: an idea. Whether it be drunk, it's sober, and they'll
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: walk down and fall, you know, fall like in the movie.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And it's pretty fun as long as they don't get hurt.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, pretty funny, exactly.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: There's not a lot of artists out there that can
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: say their music inspires people to throw themselves downstairs.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: That's that's a point of pride, I'm sure.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And as you.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Mentioned before, there is a new song by Lisa from
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Black Pek. It's called Moonlit Floor and it reworks Kissed
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Me and that's playing on the radio right now if
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you want to.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Go listen to that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: The reason we had you on today is for There
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: she Goes. Six minutes on the Richer did a cover
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of There she Goes. It's originally by the Laws, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: that was the if you watch the pilot of Gilmore Girls,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: they used there she Goes as the theme songs only
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: in the pilot. But you guys did a cover of
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it and it's an incredible it's an incredible version. It's
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: so fun. Your voice is perfect for that song. What
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: inspired you guys to cover that one in particular, Well, we.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Were a fan of that record. The Laws only put
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: out record I think it was in nineteen ninety or
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, and so we were fans of the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: record and that was I mean, it's the perfect pop song.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: And we started playing it live and even though I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: mean it was I guess it was five years after
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: it's been released or something, even though it was maybe
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: kind of obscure at the time that the Laws, the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: crowd knew where the claps were, like the crowds always
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: knew the claps, and like the background vocals and anyway,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we were just enjoying playing it live. But our label
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: came and saw us perform or like, wow, you have
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to put that on the record, and so that's why
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: we recorded it. But yeah, it's just a brilliant song.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: And then years later we got to like this was
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: maybe two thousand and twelve or thirteen, we went to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Turkey and ended up in London and for another show
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: and Lee Avers, the singer of The Laws, asked us
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: to have coffee with him and he had some kind
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: of question about business, and I guess we had the
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: right answer, and so we just hung out with him
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: until like three in the morning. And they get to
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: do that with Lee Mavers. He's kind of a to say,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to say the least, he's kind of a hermit, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: he did around three am, just wandered off into the
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: night like Sasquatch, a little like a little Sasquatch. Such
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a great guy. We had so much fun.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: What a magical moment. That's that's so awesome. One of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite movies of old time is So
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I Married an Xmer, which opens up with the Boo
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Radley's version of There She Goes and uh and as
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: we said, the pilot Gomore Girls opens with that song.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: What is it about that that makes it such a
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: good like intro or theme song or like introduction.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I think just because it's so punchy,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: and I mean, really it really serves like instantly it's
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: just classic. It just has that classic sound and and
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: dang it, Lee Mavers, I mean that whole record is great.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you said on a lot of
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: hit songs. Personally the theory, I bet there's lots lots more.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, to see that notebook and to hear
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: those those tapes that when people come up to you
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: on the street if people recognize you, what is it
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: more kiss me?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Is it more? There she goes? What do people say? First?
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I really don't get we I live with out in
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the country, so I really get a lot of people
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: approaching me. But on the road it's like the people
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that I'm meeting after the shows. It goes a little
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: deeper than the hits. Oh yeah, But when it's when
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: it's kissed me or there she goes, it's usually kissed me.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Because Yeah, there's a lot of people online that have
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like a it's it's kind of bandella effect. It's like
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: a false ma. They swear that kiss Me was in
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls. Like there's a lot of people that really
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: believe that because it and it wasn't. But uh, vibe wise,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: it does. It does really work. Do you think that
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: song would have fit in Gilmore Girls?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, And I don't know why it wasn't. It
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: almost seems like maybe it was intentional, like this song
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: is too everywhere right now? And Gilmore Girls had a
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: very cool specific soundtrack and Sam Phillips did she do
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: all the music for it? For the most part? Am
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I wrong about that?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: No? That's that's that's correct.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, I think that they just they went
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: for you know, frankly no, I mean, kiss Me is
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: super cool, but those Gilmore Girls, I think they kept
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: it fresh that way.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: What so you told me before we started that you
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: you are a fan of Gilmore Girls, Like, what what
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: stands out to you about that show?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: What did you like about it?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I think it was the the characters in it, the
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: character to do it. But sorry, I got I got
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: completely distracted. Let me get them gather. I like the
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: relationship between the mother and the daughter was pretty epic,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: and you don't really get that a lot in shows now.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: The writing was brilliant, so yeah, and it's kind of
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: like putting on a warm blanket, you know. Yeah, it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: just comfort comfort watching.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Especially this time of years. So it's so great for that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: We talk a lot on this show about the relationships
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: between mothers and daughters, because again, that is like what
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Gomar Girls is about.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Are you close with your own mother?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I am extremely close with her and my sister, which
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I know there's not a sister in it, but their
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: relationship was a little sister mother.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Do you have a do you have
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: a fun memory with your sister?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: You'd like to share with us. I love hearing that
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: My sister and I guess this is probably a pretty
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: common thing. But we would fight to the point that
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it upset our mother, and then we would laugh at
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: her and turn her, which I think it's a phenomenon
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: that occurs more than just in my little creepy family.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: But yeah, we would. I mean, how evil is that?
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Just a couple of headed turds just making our mom
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: cry and then laughing at her about it. So funny,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So holds up.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: There's nothing better than a common enemy when you're when
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: you're doing that kind of thing. So so you're saying,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you know, Gil Wrigols does feel like a warm blanket.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: It's a very comforting show. We're in the holiday season now,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and uh in sixpence on the Richer has a new
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: single out called I Believe In Father Christmas.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: What can you tell us about that song?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we recorded a couple of new songs to go
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: on this re release of The Dawn of Grace, which
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: comes out tomorrow. The re release does digitally, and and
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, I Believe In Father Christmas is an old
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Greg Lake song and you too covered it and it's
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: just a Really it's a really great Christmas song. It's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: a little dark if you really listen to the words.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: It's not you know, super happy, it's it's more, you know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: like one of the lines, and it is the Christmas
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: we get we deserve. Yeah, and it feels right for
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the times a little bit, just you know, just we've
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: got to remember to good humans and not just take
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: everything for granted.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I love I love a Christmas song with an
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: edge too. That's that's that's so fun. So the Dawn
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of Grace, that's the reissue. It's it's out now. As
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: this releases, it'll be out. You can hear it. And uh,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and you guys are on the road for the We
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Are Love twenty fifth anniversary tour. And I saw on
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Instagram you're gonna be streaming the Troubadour Show live.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Hi? Yes, so excited about that. That'll be our first
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: ever international live concert. So yeah, I really hope we
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: don't mess it up. It's gonna be great.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm so excited. It'll be the the last
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: date of the tour and we'll be will be good
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to go. Excited.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: What a way to close it out and you can
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: get info on that at sixpence and on the Richer
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: dot com. Wherever you are you can tune in and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: watch them live. But but you guys are gonna be
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: all over the country. Yeah, as we record this year
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: in Orlando, but you're playing all over the South. You're
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: going to Denver, San Francisco, as we mentioned, Seattle, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the tour dates I imagine are up at your website
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: as well, is that right.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: That's right. Yes, you can see them on instagram page
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: and also on our website also.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I mean six months on the rich such an important
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and iconic band. You got to go see them live
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: if you haven't before, and even if you have before,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: you got to see them again. Thank you so much
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: for your time today, Lee Nash. This has been so
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: much fun. Good but personally, thank you for the music
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that you make just from the bomb of my heart.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that with the world. It's so
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: important and it's affected me and so many other people.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. That means the world. It really does.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I Am All In podcast and email us at Gilmore
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio dot com,