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Episode 332- Burros 2.0- The Acts of the Apostles- Part 1 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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Welcome back to the Burrows of Berea. It looks
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a little different, I'm sure, because this is
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Burrows 2 .0. This is our whole new cast. This
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is something that I've been talking about and
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working on for quite some time. And so I'm going
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to go through and introduce the cast to you guys.
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And I'm going to start a Brady Bunch style in
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my lower left. Hello, Kristen Bingaman. How are
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you? Great. Thank you. Good. Let's act like we
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haven't been talking for the last five minutes.
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For those of you guys who know Kristen Bingaman
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has her own channel the heretic chick and She
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spoke at the Arkansas scotology conference not
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too long ago, and it was a really great study
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I really enjoyed that one Kristen, so I'm excited
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to have you as part of the boroughs bringing
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in your Your humor plus your insight. It's gonna
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be great. It's gonna be great. I'm excited to
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be here now that you are Yes, absolutely. All
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right. And then now everything's switched around
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on me. So Karen Rogers, you're now on my lower
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left. How are you, Karen? I'm fine. How are you?
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Good Karen is my great friend and Sister in Christ.
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She's in New Jersey and You guys have heard her
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on the podcast before we did her testimony where
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she talked about her book racing with my shadow
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and Karen is a prayer partner. She's a avid Bible
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studier She has a tremendous amount of information
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that she can help and share with it within these
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studies So I'm excited to have you here Karen
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looking forward to it. Then we've got to pray
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Yeah. Yeah. We can, we can definitely do it.
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Let me introduce everybody and I'll have you
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pray the next time we were on. No, I want you
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to pray before we start our study, before you
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get in, reopen the Bible. All right. Someone
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else can, if you want. And then we've got, uh,
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Karen O'Shea. It says Eric O'Shea and you're
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screaming at Karen O'Shea, the wife of Eric O'Shea.
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How are you tonight? We're just doing great.
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Thanks so much. Glad to have you guys. you've
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heard her before she we've interviewed her we
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heard eric and karen's testimony but we also
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heard karen share about her work at the pregnancy
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center they're in texas where they live and so
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she has been a gracious host for me many times
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in their home and she has a lot of great insight
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especially in the scriptures in regard to everyday
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life and application for sure. And so I'm so
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glad you're here. Eric Ogier, brother, it's good
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to see ya. It's good to see you, Rick. Thanks
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for having us on. Absolutely. So guys, if you
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remember, we also did the testimony with Eric,
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but he was also in another episode where we talked
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about the bucket ministry whenever you went to
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Kenya. So Eric has done missionary work. Um in
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africa and elsewhere around the world and he's
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also been involved in ministry You've been a
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pastor. Uh, you run a home church even now and
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so Uh, i've always appreciated your insight and
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your love and your care for our brethren and
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so i'm glad you're here. Oh, thanks for having
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us absolutely and Last but certainly not least.
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We've got danny and adrienne morton down in the
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lower right hand corner How are you guys tonight?
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Very good. Waiting for rain, we hope. Oh, you
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guys, is it drought out there? Oh, we've been
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drought for three months. Oh, yeah. We're like
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on phase three in our city. We can't water anything
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or do anything right now. Really? Lots of prayers
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will be appreciated for that or a rain dance
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or something. Or both, hey. Well, just be patient,
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Danny. We just got three inches here in the Dallas
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-Fort Worth area. So hopefully it's coming. Yeah,
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we're supposed to tomorrow morning, they say.
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Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. Well, that's good.
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No, I'm glad I've met Danny several times. Danny's
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never been on the burrows before. So welcome
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for your first episode. Thank you. I am looking
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forward to it for sure. Yeah. And so I've met
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Danny and Adrian at conferences. And then one
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time I went out, Shane Morgan had to get together
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with some predators out in Arkansas. I got an
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opportunity to meet you guys out there. And so
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We're actually meeting, we're actually going
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this Saturday to Searcy. The group is. Oh, wow.
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Yeah. Wow. I wish I could, I wish I could was
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closer to like all of you. I wish I do. Like
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I love to get together with everybody. It's one
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of my favorite things to do. And, um, it's just,
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it's a, it's a 10 hour drive. So it's not so
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easy. It's your own. And forget about it when
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you go to the OJs. You just got to fly. I'm not
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driving 15 hours. Can't do it. And I've had opportunities
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with Karen, like New Jersey's a great, Newark
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Airport's a great hub for flying around the country
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or international. And so if I fly up through
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there, I get a chance and I'll go to a diner
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with Karen and let her buy me some coffee. And
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I'll get you lost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That happened
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the last time. We won't tell that story. We won't
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tell that story. Driving around. We drove around
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for hours. It was so much fun. But the diner
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was excellent though. It was really good. They
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had really good coffee. So that's why we got
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to yell Adrian. Yes. Danny's wife, Adrian. Um,
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one of the things that you'll love about Adrian,
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or at least as long as she's not shy here on
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this, on this call. and she's probably going
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to be shy aren't you she's not even this is a
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podcast you have to speak i'll poke her with
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a pan yes yeah yeah but she's always she's always
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so much fun every time i see at the conference
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i just love seeing you and i get so excited um
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so we also have two others we have rick big daddy
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carter who is not with us right now he's in arkansas
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and for a conference and He is gonna be jumping
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on here pretty soon. He was driving back to his
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hotel was gonna get on his laptop So he'll be
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joining us soon. We also have another cast member
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named Shelley Sangry Who is from no place like
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home, which is a YouTube channel. That's pretty
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popular, especially in the predators community
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And so she'll be here She may pop in tonight,
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but she may not be here for the first couple
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of episodes So but she is planning on being here
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as a regular cast member Now, before we get started,
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The Burrows of Berea initially was a Bible study
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podcast. And as it grew and as the cast grew
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in its original state, I started wanting to meet
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people and I would go around the country and
7:14
have opportunities. And then I wanted to interview
7:17
them. One of my favorite things, I love to listen
7:18
to testimonies. We'll still have testimonies
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coming here on The Burrows of Berea podcast.
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I like to have guests that come and share about
7:26
their work, you know, perhaps their books. I
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like to have people that come on that don't necessarily
7:32
hold to my view that want to argue their point
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or want to try to, you know, just at least have
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a voice in the matter. So a lot of that's going
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to remain the same. But first and foremost, The
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Burzabria is a Bible study podcast. And we also
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like to speculate and just think outside of the
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box a little bit. and then try to bring it back
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to what we actually believe or our beliefs will
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change. That's kind of the goal here. And I've
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always wanted to study the book of Acts, the
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Acts of the Apostles with a group. I've studied
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it myself many, many times, but I've found like
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when you're in a group and other people are studying,
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sometimes they bring things you've never heard
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before. And that's what I'm looking forward to.
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But before we get started, Karen Rogers, would
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you mind opening us up in prayer? I don't have
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to be the one to pray. I was just kind of. Well,
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you suggested it. So yes, please. OK. OK. Heavenly
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Father, I just pray that you would be with us
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all. You would send your Holy Spirit to be with
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us all and that we would have a spirit of unity
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and love and that you would open up your word
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so that we could understand what you're trying
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to say to us. And we know the Holy Spirit's our
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teacher. And also each one of us might get little
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different views and we just pray that that you
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would be guiding us through this study and always
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that we are in spirit of love and we thank you
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in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. So
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I'm going to bring up the Book of Acts on the
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screen here in just a minute. But before I do,
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I just wanted to chit chat with you guys a little
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bit. I would like to hear from each one of you.
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What you think about this particular book in
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the Bible Anybody you jump right in there. Tell
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me what you think. Have you guys have you guys
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been reading it in preparation for tonight? Are
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you just winging it or Is there anything about
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this book that jumps out at you right away or
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some information that you want to share before
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we get started? anyone Well, they're definitely
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finishing the work that Christ started and you
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know, Jesus said that in the gospels that my
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father has been working till now. Now I'm working
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and then he's going to send the true Israel to
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be successful this time. The apostles are the
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Israel that the Old Testament was supposed to
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be the light to the nations. They're going to
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succeed and I'm looking forward to from my covenant
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creation point to kind of show that how they
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were placed in a garden just like Adam was. That's
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interesting. This is going to be an interesting
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conversation for sure. Anybody else have anything
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you want to add? Well, you know, Rick, a lot
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of people may not know this. I mean, sometimes
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people are in church all the time and. They really
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don't realize who wrote the book of acts, you
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know, and so it's interesting in just as, as
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if we're going to get started, we're going to
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start at ground zero. It's, it's, um, we've got
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to understand that Luke wrote the book of acts.
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This is kind of part two of his, of his, of his
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book, Luke. It's a continuation, uh, for that.
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So for some that might be brand new for, for
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some folks to hear about. Hey, uh, who is Theopolis
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by the way? So I've always thought, I think that
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Theophilus is a former high priest and he's a
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son of Ananas. If you look at the high priest
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at the time, in the first century, prior to the
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destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, there
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is a high priest by the name of Theophilus ben
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Ananas, and then he also has a son named Theophilus
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Ananas. It's pretty interesting. I've thought
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that for quite some time, for the longest time.
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Theophilus means friend of God. And so I always
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thought, oh, this is just a play on words. It's
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friend of God. But I don't think so. I've begun
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to look at the book of Luke and Acts, both volumes
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as like a defense, not only of the faith, but
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also of the apostle Paul. And I think that it's
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pretty evident when you read it that He's categorizing.
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He tells Theophilus right out of the gate. Well,
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actually, when you look at the Book of Luke,
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how about I share my screen? Give me I want to
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show you something in the Book of Luke that will
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kind of get us ready for the. Let's see, is there
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a version that you guys prefer in your study?
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Like some people are King James. I like the NASB.
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We use NASB, but when we do our Bible studies,
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we're doing the CSB, the Christian Standard Bible.
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Does anybody have any issue with the Christian
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Standard Bible in this study for now? Is that
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a no? Because I can't see anything. I guess we
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need to talk, don't we? Shaking our head. Shaking
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your head. I mean, it might work for you guys
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on the video, but it's not working for the people
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who are just listening to audio. All right. So
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I'm going to share my screen. You guys should
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see it here in just a second. Is it big enough
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for you to read or do I need to zoom in a little
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bit? You need to zoom in a little bit, son. We
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old people can't see. All right. Or if you have
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a Bible on your desk. So here's something I wanted
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to point out. In in Luke chapter 1 verse 1 he
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says many have undertaken to compile a narrative
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about the events that have been fulfilled among
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us Just as the original eyewitnesses and servants
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of the word handed them down to us So it also
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seemed good to me since I have carefully Investigated
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everything from the very first to write to you
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in an orderly sequence most honorable Theophilus
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so that you may know the certainty of the things
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about which you have been instructed. So in other
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versions, it says most excellent theophilus.
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Yeah. It says instead of instructed, it says
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from what you have been told or what you have
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been taught. But the point that I want to make
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here is that most honorable theophilus. My, just
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me, this is me. I think that this is while he
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is actually acting as high priest. Whenever Luke
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is writing this I think that Theophilus is most
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likely the high priest at this time Okay, this
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is just my guess here, and I'll show you when
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we get to the book of Acts Why I think that he's
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no longer the high priest at that point again.
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I don't have any commentaries. This is just me
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reading Let me zoom it in just a hair for you
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here, and he says in Acts 1 verse 1. I wrote
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the first narrative Theophilus About all that
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Jesus began to do and teach until the day he
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was taken up after he had given instructions
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through the Holy Spirit to the Apostles he had
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chosen After he had suffered he also presented
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himself alive to them by many convincing proofs
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appearing to them over a period of 40 days and
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speaking about the kingdom of God so in this
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Prologue as he begins this part two this volume
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two. He's already telling you out of the gate
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There's a first narrative, but he used he leaves
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most excellent out and I was very curious about
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that Have you guys ever heard that before? Has
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anybody ever heard that? About Theophilus? Yeah,
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about him being a high priest? Yes. Yes. That
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is one well -considered opinion or thought process
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that he was a high priest at the time, or at
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least someone with a relative amount of prominence.
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He wrote Luke, excuse me, Acts to Theophilus.
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Right. So at that point, it had to be distributed
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and made known to the people. I know that he
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had to have some ranking when he was writing,
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when Luke was first writing the book of Luke.
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So there was something there, but there's something
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that I don't know if, you know, I'd like to dig
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a little bit more whether he was a high priest.
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I'm sure that there's some things there that.
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within God's Word that we can maybe find out
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that whether he was or not. Do you know what
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kind of a name Theopolis is? Is it a Roman name?
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Is it a Jewish name? See, I thought it was a
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Roman name. That was where I was kind of. I thought
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it was a Roman official. Yeah. I don't know.
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It's been considered a title as well as the name
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of a person. So in my study, the title was less
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an option than the actual name of a person that
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he knew well enough to address with this carefully
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investigated narrative of Luke, and then again,
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the Book of Acts. Right. Well, that's really
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interesting, Rick, because it says down there
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on the Johanna Oshuary that Joanna, the daughter
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of John, son of Theophilus, the high priest,
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And then it says, Joanna appears twice in the
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gospel of Luke. That's correct. Yeah. So that's
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pretty, that's like another link. Like you were
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saying that it could be. Yeah, that's excellent.
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And I did not know that until you literally just
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read that to me just now, which is crazy because
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I've studied this for a long time. So as you
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can see, It says here now this is again guys
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were speculating here, but I think it's a pretty
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decent speculation the timing works out It says
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Theophilus was the high priest in the Second
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Temple in Jerusalem from 37 to 41 AD Now if he
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was the high priest at the time in 37 to 41 Is
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it possible that the missionary journey of Paul?
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I don't know the timelines. Does it work because
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Luke doesn't show up, uh, until I think it's
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chapter 10 of acts where he's where Paul goes
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to Troas. And then you have that switch and talking
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about they, and then going to we, you guys know
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what I'm talking about where it becomes more
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personal. Sure. So if the timeline doesn't work,
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I don't know, but it just seems pretty interesting.
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Like she, you know, Kristen just said, Joe, Johanna,
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Johanna is mentioned. And she's the daughter
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of this high priest. And it says right here,
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Theophilus was a member of one of the wealthiest
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and most influential Jewish families in Judea
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prod province or idea. I think Judy is correct.
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During the first century, he was the son of Ananas
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and the brother of Eliezer, Jonathan Matias and
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Ananas, all of whom served as high priests. He
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was also the brother -in -law of Joseph Caiaphas.
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The high priest before him, Jesus of Nazareth
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appeared. In addition, his son, Matias, served
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as the next to the last high priest before the
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destruction of the temple by the Romans. That's
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who I think that this book is addressed to. Now,
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perhaps it's not. OK, but I was going to be my
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question to you, Rick. I mean, is is I mean.
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Obviously, we're always wanting to apply biblical
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hermeneutics, and we always want to know who
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the audience is. And so my question is that,
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is he the addressee of both of these letters?
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Yes, he is. I mean, Luke has written this to
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give him an account of basically Christianity,
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like how this is working within. And it makes
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more sense to me. that he's explaining it to
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someone. Luke is, from my understanding, Luke
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is an educated man, correct? So let's Luke wiki
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it, shall we? So I'm sorry, go ahead. I found
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out the name, the name is actually a Greek name
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and it was used by, it said it was used by Greeks,
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Romans and Jews. It was a personal name, not
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a title. And it says Most Excellent, maybe a
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Roman official, but it could also be, like you
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said, a high priest. So it's Most Excellent was
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giving him, like he was somebody important, but
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the name could be used for Jews or Romans or
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Greeks. Well, yeah, here was something else,
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too. If you look down here on the Joanna Oshawa,
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it says a woman called Joanna, wife of Chusa.
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And if you guys know who Choza was, he was a
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part of the household of Herod. Like he was over
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the household of Herod. I think that's what he
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was. So they're linked to the royal family, but
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they're also linked to the priesthood, it seems.
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It's quite possible. So there you go. There's
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that idea. So it says here and I'm just using
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Wiki, which is the greatest thing ever. People
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can just change it whenever they feel like it.
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Luke, the evangelist, would anybody can anybody
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read this? Can you see this? Could you read this
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paragraph? Luke, the evangelist. Is that what
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you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The four
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traditionally ascribed authors. Is that what
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you're? Yeah. Can you read that? Yes. Oh, you
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want me to read out loud? It's a podcast, Danny.
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We got to read out. Oh yeah, that's right. We
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don't do mimes. I'd like you to read it to the
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audience, would you? Yes, sir. Luke the Evangelist
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was one of the four evangelists, the four traditionally
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ascribed authors of the canonical gospels. The
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early church fathers ascribed to him authorship
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of both the gospel of Luke and the acts of the
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apostles, prominent figures in early Christianity,
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such as Jerome. Eupus later reaffirmed his authorship
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scholarly opinion on the tradition is roughly
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evenly divided near the end of the 20th century.
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Yeah, very good. So this is kind of interesting.
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So whenever you talk about the canon, most of
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the time they talk about these books were selected
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because it was from the apostles. Luke's not
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an apostle. Correct. Luke is somebody that traveled
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with Paul, but not all the time. And Luke goes
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around in the early, you know, when he goes around
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investigating, I could be wrong here. I don't
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know if anybody has access to chat GPT to ask
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the question, but I think Luke is the only one
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in his gospel that says that Mary had kept something
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in her heart. And I think he says it like two
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or three times. Am I right about that? That Mary
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contemplated these sayings that the angel appeared
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to her. Right. Yeah. It was there and elsewhere.
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There were, there were things that she, she had
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kept in her heart that she had, uh, she didn't
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release. It makes me think that Luke being this
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investigator who's going around getting this
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information is, you know, in pinning it down
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so that he can give a report to Theophilus is
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getting this information from Mary. Mary could
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be one of the people that he Uh, is asking these
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questions up. Yeah. So, uh, if you want to look
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at Luke two 19 and then Luke two 51, okay. That,
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that phrase is, or that phrase is being used.
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All right. Uh, let's see. Luke 19. Luke was a
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doctor. Yes. A physician, a physician. Yeah.
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That's what it said. So Luke 19, but Mary treasured
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all these things, pondering them in her heart.
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So this is in regard to the angels, right? uh
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that let's see glory to god oh yeah whenever
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the angels come out and the shepherds come and
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this is at his birth during the annunciation
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of christ's birth and then it says and yeah but
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mary treasured all these things pondering them
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in her heart that this is like how do you know
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that how do you know that right well you know
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it because she told luke yeah I mean, that's
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just how I think it could be. I think it's also
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in Luke, uh, in verse 51 too, as well. I think
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he restates it there and two 51. Yep. So on down
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here a little bit in the chapter here. Yep. And
25:05
he went down with them and came to Nazareth and
25:07
he continued to be subject to them and his mother
25:09
treasured all these things in her heart. That's
25:13
really good. And you said it was elsewhere where
25:15
in four. No, no, it's just Luke 2 19 and 251.
25:20
So it's in two. So when all of these things surrounding
25:22
Jesus, now here he's presented at the temple
25:26
at the age of eight, then they go to Egypt and
25:29
they return. No, this is still during his birth.
25:35
So she visits her Jerusalem. Okay, so then whenever
25:38
he is journeying and he this is when he's 12
25:42
years old at this point. So this is where, that's
25:46
interesting. So the Annunciation happens and
25:49
the angels tell the shepherds, you know, glory
25:51
to God, peace on earth, goodwill towards men,
25:54
this announcement. And then they all come and
25:58
here's this mother with her child. And this is
26:00
something she treasured in her heart. So Rick,
26:04
can we say that Luke, the book of Luke, right
26:08
there in Luke one, look at Luke one four, I think.
26:16
He's mentioning something along the lines where
26:19
he's, it almost appears he's trying to take copious
26:26
notes of all the narratives of what he's talking
26:29
about there, because he wants it to be certain
26:31
of what he's, it's almost like he's trying to
26:33
get firsthand knowledge from everybody. Yes.
26:37
Look at first four, I think, there. Yeah, and
26:39
right before it actually to write it out for
26:41
you in an orderly sequence. Yeah, excellent Theophilus
26:44
so That you may know the exact truth about the
26:47
things you have been taught This is gonna carry
26:49
on into the book of Acts. Yeah, cuz I've got
26:52
I've got I've got Acts 1 1 pulled up here and
26:55
he starts this off in Acts 1 He says I wrote
26:58
the first narrative which is the book of Luke
27:01
Theophilus all about that Jesus began to do and
27:06
teach So here's that. There's that connection
27:09
that I think, you know, young Bible students
27:12
need to hear about of understanding that Luke
27:15
and Acts go together, how he did the Book of
27:20
Luke's, which was from a very, you know, personal
27:22
eyewitness and almost invest kind of a investigative
27:29
reporter. As a way I look at Luke there in the
27:32
book of Luke and he's gonna do the same thing
27:34
here In the book of Acts. So what what we've
27:38
learned about what we learned about Jesus Christ
27:40
in his life and all of his acts that he did in
27:44
in Jesus's life we see that narrative From Luke
27:48
from that position that can investigate a reporter
27:51
and then we're gonna see the same thing So so
27:54
it's kind of like he's telling their Theophilus.
27:57
Hey how I did Luke Now this letter that's coming
28:01
to you is going to be written in the same way.
28:05
Plus that makes sense if he recorded and investigated
28:10
about Mary treasuring these things in her heart
28:13
because all that Jesus began to do and teach.
28:15
So he knows all this. So, Rick, do you think
28:22
the office had already had that copy first before
28:25
he got the second copy? So for him to say it
28:29
if you go to look when you read it in Luke 1
28:31
what he says here Having investigated everything
28:35
carefully from the beginning to write it out
28:37
for you in an orderly sequence Meaning that there
28:40
was a disorderly sequence and one that was not
28:42
ordered before so you have We know that I don't
28:46
know if the queue documents real whatever. I
28:48
don't know, but there's this belief that there
28:51
were these writings that were about the words
28:54
that Jesus spoke that were being passed around
28:56
the early church. And then we know that Mark
29:00
was the first gospel that would come out. And
29:04
then some believe it's Matthew. And I think that's
29:08
correct. I think Matthew came out after Mark.
29:10
They call Matthew Fat Mark. It's just additional
29:13
information that's being given. But each gospel
29:16
has its particular audience. I think that's for
29:19
sure. I'm going to use that, Rick, because my
29:23
husband's name is Matt and his brother's name
29:24
is Mark. So I'm just like, oh, yeah, I've always
29:30
been known as Fat Rick. You're just extra, you
29:33
know, more love. That's exactly right. Yeah.
29:41
So that's no, that's that's good, Eric. And I
29:43
think I think definitely from an investigative
29:45
point. But one of the things that Rick Carter
29:47
would say if he were here and he's not, but he
29:49
would. He always like zoned in on that orderly
29:54
sequence. He said, you know, of all of the different
29:57
gospels, when you look at it from the timeline
29:59
perspective, that Mark seems to bounce around,
30:04
Matthew seems to bounce around, but Luke seems
30:07
to hold things in like this orderly fashion.
30:10
And so we started looking at it as like, maybe
30:13
we can use Luke and Acts as a way to place things.
30:16
And we know that when you read the book of Acts,
30:19
that you can find where Paul would have, you
30:22
know, sent an epistle to a church at a particular
30:25
time, you know, where, for example, whenever
30:28
he's in Thessalonica, and then he goes to Berea,
30:32
and then he goes on to Athens. And then we know
30:35
that there was persecution going on. Hello? Sorry,
30:42
I had to test that right real quick. There is
30:45
Big Daddy. What part of Arkansas are you in?
30:53
I'm in right outside of Little Rocks, a town
30:55
called Mommel. Oh, you're 30 minutes from me.
31:01
Oh, sweet. Or 20, 25 minutes from me. Oh wow.
31:06
Y 'all go get some chicken wings or something,
31:08
man. I'll leave early in the morning to hit an
31:11
airplane so I can fly back home. Ah, well. Start
31:15
to interrupt. Yeah, you're good. It's all good,
31:19
brother. Maybe he was more orderly because he
31:22
was a doctor. Luke? There you go. More into details
31:26
and being meticulous. I'd like to add more. He
31:28
don't write his prescriptions. If he wrote prescriptions,
31:31
you can't read them. Yeah, I'd like to add to
31:34
that. Just go ahead. Just because he points out
31:37
the fact that his is orderly, we can't assume
31:41
that others were disorderly. Because if he is
31:44
a doctor, he's meticulous. He's got a thought
31:47
process. He's gifted in that way. Just because
31:51
someone is orderly, that is not an accusation
31:55
that other people are this way. Well, I agree
31:59
disorderly by like in a bad way I I meant there
32:02
was an improper use of English I meant like out
32:05
of order not necessarily sequential as Luke would
32:09
he seems to be saying that because it's the sequence
32:12
that's orderly That's right the sequence and
32:15
so big daddy I was telling him how whenever we
32:17
did our previous study That one of the things
32:20
we used to say about the gospel of Luke is that
32:22
Luke seemed to be trying to put things in a more
32:24
orderly fashion or sequentially, whereas some
32:27
of the other books, you know, if you read them
32:30
together, it looks like things are out of order.
32:34
Right. And so that doesn't mean that that's the
32:37
case. We're just saying it seems like that's
32:38
what Luke is saying he's doing. I would agree.
32:42
So that when you read the synoptic gospels together
32:45
or usually, or if you don't read them in the
32:48
order in which they were written, um, in the
32:50
time that they were released, you, you kind of
32:53
get there's a bit of a confusion that can possibly
32:56
happen because they have different information
33:00
between them. But if you read them in the order
33:03
in which they were released, you seem to get
33:05
the narrative of the information that seems to
33:08
grow based on the ones released later. Because
33:12
if you start with Mark, then you go to Matthew,
33:15
then you go to John and Luke, you begin to see
33:18
something completely different between all of
33:20
the synoptic gospels and the way they were released.
33:23
Um, most of Luke is third party information.
33:28
He wasn't there for most of it, just like Matthew
33:31
was not in for behalf of his book. A lot of his
33:35
third party. So you have to take some of it to
33:38
some degree, at least ask questions. And when
33:40
you look at the details of what's released and
33:43
it's like, how did he gain that information?
33:45
How did he, how did some of it be released to
33:47
him? How did he get, uh, who was telling him?
33:52
Is it, uh, Peter? Is it the other disciples?
33:55
Is it outside people that's giving that information?
33:58
Mayor Mangolin? We are doing the best we can
34:02
with what information is given and trying to
34:05
create the narrative that's available to better
34:09
understand this thing. Yeah. And we did mention
34:12
that a little bit earlier, Rick. No, that's okay.
34:17
We were actually just saying what a great investigative
34:21
reporter Luke was. It does seem like he did have
34:29
at least some discussion with Mary, the mother
34:31
of Jesus, over some things that were pondering
34:34
in her heart. So yeah, it's pretty cool. What
34:38
we were just contemplating is this part one of
34:44
Luke in part two of the book of Acts written
34:47
by the same person to Theophilus and who Theophilus
34:51
is. And it's just pretty cool about how everything
34:53
is pulling everything together. Well, in the
34:57
climate, if we look at the context of the climate
34:59
of the environment that they were in, because
35:02
we have a particular view of our eschatology,
35:05
we know the events that are coming up that are
35:07
going to be very coming very soon to them. Yeah.
35:11
What's also difficult is that the information
35:13
that's being shared They're also under tremendous
35:17
amount of pressure not to release this stuff,
35:20
not to say anything about it. There are, there's
35:23
already documented information that they were,
35:26
that the disciples were being captured. We'll
35:28
talk about it pretty soon. Like that. They were
35:30
told not to talk about these things. So from
35:34
the standpoint of where Luke's at, I can't understand.
35:38
I would not fathom the amount of stress that
35:40
he may be under trying to gain this information.
35:44
And then, on top of that writing, if he gives
35:47
it to Theophilus, which we don't know truly the
35:50
dynamic of their relationship, who's to say that
35:53
Theophilus doesn't turn Luke in and exploit the
35:57
information that he's been given? To one, tell
36:00
where the people are, because they're trying
36:02
to hunt, I would assume, that they're trying
36:04
to hunt them down, because the information that
36:07
they have is counterintuitive to the information
36:10
they're trying to give. Does any of that make
36:13
sense? Oh, absolutely. It does. It sure does.
36:17
And, and Luke, and actually here it is. This
36:20
is why I pulled it up in Acts chapter 16, just
36:23
so that you guys know. Um, I'll read from verse
36:27
six, listen to it closely. They went through
36:29
the region of Phrygia and Galatia. They had been
36:32
forbidden by the Holy spirit to speak the word
36:34
in Asia. When they came to my SIA, they tried
36:37
to go into Bithynia, but the spirit of Jesus
36:39
did not allow them passing by my SIA. They went
36:42
down to Troas. During the night Paul had a vision
36:45
in which a Macedonian man was standing and pleading
36:47
with him cross over to Macedonia and help us
36:50
after he had seen the vision he we meet we Immediately
36:55
made efforts. Do you see that? And after they
36:58
had seen the vision we immediately made efforts
37:00
to set out for Macedonia Concluding that God
37:02
had called us to preach the gospel to them from
37:04
Troas we put out to sea and sailed straight for
37:06
Samothrace. So This is where it shifts. So it's
37:12
all the way in Acts chapter 16 before Luke even
37:15
shows up on the scene, right? So go ahead. No,
37:21
you go ahead. It's, it's a little bit off subject,
37:23
but you are asking about the book of acts and
37:26
what you just said was how the Holy spirit kept
37:28
them from going one place and sent them to another
37:30
place. My view is that the book of acts is about
37:34
how the Holy spirit changed everything. I mean,
37:38
they were. they were divided and they were always
37:40
arguing before the Holy Spirit came on the scene.
37:43
They were like, who's better? And they were turning,
37:46
you know, they were, Peter said, you know, he
37:49
turned on Jesus and all that. But when the Holy
37:52
Spirit came, which is how the book starts, they
37:55
were all united. They had power and the spirit
37:58
told them where to go and where not to go. And
38:01
it's throughout the whole entire book is the
38:03
Holy Spirit was leading them and guiding them
38:06
as Jesus promised. He said, I will wait. until
38:09
you get the Spirit to show you. And they waited
38:13
10 days for the Holy Spirit to come. And when
38:17
they got the Spirit, they chose somebody. They
38:20
knew where to go. They knew where not to go.
38:22
They always asked the Spirit first. And that's
38:25
the Spirit of Christ. That is what he gave them,
38:28
which was better that he leave because when he
38:31
left, he sent the Spirit to be in them, to give
38:33
them strength, to give them teaching. to give
38:36
them, they just completely changed and they were
38:39
united in one spirit. So my, when I read the
38:43
book of Acts, I just see the Holy Spirit directing
38:46
God's work on earth. And I think it's the same
38:49
today. I think we need to listen to the Holy
38:52
Spirit more than we do. I think that that's so
38:56
discredited, discounted today, how much the Holy
38:59
Spirit can guide us, because we tend to run ahead
39:01
in our own, and they didn't do that in the book
39:03
of Acts. They never ran ahead. The Holy Spirit
39:05
would tell them, don't go there, go here, and
39:08
they would always pray. And if you'll notice
39:10
that, that is a template for us to always ask.
39:15
We have the Spirit of God in us. We have the
39:17
Holy Spirit to teach us, to guide us, and if
39:21
we would listen, We would then know what God
39:24
is doing in the world and where to go and who
39:26
to preach you just like they did We you know,
39:28
we tend to just want to do these works instead
39:30
of asking God. Where are you going? What do you
39:33
want to do? And that's what they did. They always
39:36
went to the Holy Spirit So that's I mean I see
39:39
that as a major theme is that is the template
39:41
for how the church is supposed to live Yeah,
39:45
that's really good because and you're right because
39:48
it is constantly about what the spirit is saying
39:53
and doing a manifesting in order to bring the
39:56
church, you know, throughout the whole world.
39:59
And so I absolutely agree. That's a great, great
40:02
point. Eric and I were recently introduced to
40:05
the idea that the book would appropriately be
40:08
called the acts of the Holy Spirit as well, based
40:12
on what Karen just said there, that this is spirit
40:14
driven. And Christ even said, my spirit, I send
40:18
to you that or the Father will send to remind
40:23
you of the things that I taught you. And so we
40:27
have in our culture currently a very misguided
40:31
idea of who and what the Holy Spirit is and does.
40:35
And rather than a genie out of a bottle, He's
40:38
the very spirit and essence of Christ Himself
40:41
to remind us today of the things that Jesus is
40:46
teaching us through His Word. So that is a beautiful
40:49
concept, Karen, that the Holy Spirit is leading
40:53
and guiding. And he's being very active throughout
40:57
this book, most definitely active. And everything's
41:00
not peachy for God's people here. No, there's
41:05
some wild stuff in this book. Yes. Yes. And yet
41:09
the book of Acts leads us to a victorious and
41:14
rejoicing Christianity, though it may cost. there's
41:18
always a cost to doing nothing and to being obedient.
41:22
There's a cost either way. And so, yes, this
41:27
is a very precious book because it is so Holy
41:30
Spirit driven. They had to rely on the Spirit.
41:34
They didn't have what we have today with regard
41:38
to the written word per se. that we have to study
41:43
it over and over and over. It was passed around
41:45
these letters. They were passed around and probably
41:48
hand copied over and over and over again. So
41:52
it's a treasure. But the spirit is the power
41:56
of God. It's the presence of Jesus. It's the
41:59
power. And even if you don't have a Bible, I
42:01
mean, the Bible goes along with it, but they
42:04
didn't have it. And they had the spirit of Christ.
42:06
They had his spirit teaching them and guiding
42:08
them. And they were obedient. They didn't say,
42:11
no, we're going to do it our way. They said,
42:12
OK, we won't go there. We will hear. And they
42:15
were all united. Do you think they sat around
42:18
and wondered, gee, are we missing God on this?
42:21
Are we hearing God? Are we missing God? Did I
42:23
miss God when I said that or did that or we went
42:25
here? And that's that's a lot of the lingo that
42:28
we hear in a Christian culture. Don't miss God.
42:33
And something turns what we would call negatively
42:36
or what the scriptures calls a trial or affliction.
42:38
Oh, we must have missed God. you know, God surely
42:41
would not have led us to affliction or trial
42:44
or persecution. So this is a very encouraging
42:47
book that we have here. And I agree with you,
42:50
Karen. I'd like to pipe in here for today, very
42:54
much for today. Yeah, I'd like to pipe in on
42:57
that. And I know we're going to get to it a little
42:58
bit later. But, you know, this this there's so
43:01
many connections, obviously, to the spirit and
43:06
the presence of God. Karen Rogers, you've mentioned
43:09
it. Karen O'Shea, you've mentioned it already.
43:12
And just to whet everybody's appetite as we kind
43:16
of go forward, we know that when God's presence
43:19
showed up, whether it was the ordination of the
43:24
tabernacle, God came down in fire. The same thing
43:29
happened with Solomon's temple. He came down
43:31
in fire. And then what we see in the book of
43:34
Acts, that God no longer resides in a temple
43:38
or a land or a tabernacle or a tent. Those tongues
43:43
of flame represents that he resides in us and
43:46
we are now his mobile temples to take the gospel
43:50
forth. And so it really kind of... stitches everything
43:55
together when we hear Paul telling us that, you
43:57
know, over in Ephesians, that Jesus is the chief
44:00
cornerstone and we are the living stones within
44:02
that temple, and how the temple is now mobile
44:07
through God's people by the power of the Holy
44:10
Spirit. That's good. Kristen, you were about
44:13
to say something. Well, I have a question. OK.
44:18
But I don't want to start trouble. This is an
44:23
honest question that I've had like long before
44:25
I was a preterist I remember sitting around with
44:28
a group of women and we were talking about this
44:30
and You know, I guess my question is if we are
44:35
filled with the Holy Spirit now Why do we not
44:38
see the outpouring of miracles like they saw
44:41
it? I mean, why aren't we speaking in tongues?
44:43
I mean Unless some of you think we are but I
44:46
don't see that happening. But like even if we
44:49
Continue on and acts like it's like the next
44:51
thing is the lame beggars healed, you know, they're
44:54
healing the blind and and I think of like It
44:59
seems to me like every example in the Bible that
45:03
I can think of it is specific that when it says
45:06
like God's spirit came on someone like remember
45:09
Saul It's like his the spirit came on saw and
45:13
he like got naked and started prophesying and
45:15
they said is Saul among the prophets. He couldn't
45:18
help it. He was doing these things. And I just
45:22
wonder what your thoughts are on that. Because
45:26
I think it was when I was going through a phase
45:29
where I wanted to be able to defend my faith
45:32
from atheists or something. And I was thinking
45:36
through all these things that they might think.
45:39
And I think if you weren't a Christian and you
45:41
were looking at this and saying we're we're filled
45:45
with the spirit and you know, they'd be like
45:47
well then You know heal that blind man raise
45:50
that dead person. I mean those are the things
45:53
that they were doing Do you understand what I'm
45:56
saying? Yeah I don't know this to be Factual
46:04
but but as you're talking, I'm also thinking
46:06
Kristen of how physical things had to be to point
46:13
to the spiritual and as eric mentioned a moment
46:16
ago it was always a physical temple it was always
46:19
a place you had to go that's where god was and
46:22
you had to go to god but here god came to us
46:27
god came to them and resides with them and we
46:30
know from the book of john that he dwells in
46:34
his people and so when i'm thinking i've asked
46:37
that same question well why aren't we doing all
46:39
the things that they did and I'm wondering if
46:43
these physical healings weren't there to prove
46:48
that the Father had sent the Son to be the Savior
46:52
of the world and that Jesus did say, you're going
46:57
to be doing these things and even more, a longer
47:01
period of time than Jesus did them. So perhaps
47:06
there is still an element of the physical dynamic
47:10
these miracles to prove or to point to the fact
47:14
that Christ is real the big problem in that first
47:17
century and well prior to that that what led
47:19
up to the destruction in 8070 is that the religious
47:24
leaders and others did not believe that the father
47:28
had sent the son and Starting in Matthew go all
47:33
the way through the scriptures get into John's
47:35
epistles and we see constantly that Jesus is
47:41
referring to the fact that he and the Father
47:43
are one. Just dozens and dozens of times he's
47:47
referring to the fact that the Father sent him.
47:49
He and the Father are one. I only do what I see
47:52
my Father do. The Father's will is my will. Over
47:55
and over again he is proving and constantly driving
47:58
that point that the Father has fulfilled those
48:01
prophecies. He has sent the Son. to be the Savior
48:05
and he's constantly referring to the Father all
48:07
throughout the New Testament written works here.
48:11
So perhaps there is a physical element still
48:14
in all of these healings and these miracles to
48:18
keep pointing to the fact that Jesus is who the
48:22
prophets and the Law said that he would be and
48:24
God did send him and I don't know the answer
48:27
to that question other than that. In John chapter
48:32
17 it says that all believers will have his spirit
48:35
because it says in John 17 20 This is Jesus I
48:39
do not pray for these alone but also for those
48:42
who will believe in me Through their word and
48:45
that's us and then he says that they all may
48:48
be one as you father are in me and I in you that
48:51
they also may be one in us that the world may
48:55
believe that you sent me so that's the scripture
48:58
to just nailed that home. And also Jesus healed
49:04
somebody and said, so that you know I have the
49:06
power to save you, I'm going to heal you physically.
49:10
Remember that story? So I think a lot of miracles
49:14
happen to prove He was who He says He was. But
49:16
I think today we do not listen to the Holy Spirit.
49:19
We do not use the power we have. We're one in
49:23
Christ and the Father. We have tremendous power
49:26
and we negate it. We depend on ourselves. Do
49:29
you think that if we did, like, could we tap
49:33
into this power of the Holy Spirit inside of
49:35
us, and then we would be doing the miracles like
49:38
they were, and we're just not doing it? I think
49:40
that the Holy Spirit taps into us, if I'm honest.
49:43
As we're doing the work, the blind are being
49:50
healed. The lame are being healed. But Kristen,
49:53
I'm talking spiritually, not necessarily physically.
49:57
But as we are walking, in the light as Christ
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is in the light. Those people around us, their
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eyes are being opened. I get that, and I understand
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that that's the more important thing for sure,
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the spiritual aspect of it, but they were also
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being spiritually healed in the century too.
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They were getting the best of both worlds kind
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of. Yes, they were. Is there a verse, am I just
50:23
making this up, that says something about he
50:26
was going to give the Spirit as a deposit. Yes,
50:30
it's a down payment in our translations. So could
50:36
it be that like we have Christ in us now, which
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is like something even greater? I don't know
50:45
if that's how you'd phrase it, but the deposit
50:47
isn't the thing, right? Like you put a deposit
50:51
down on your house that you're going to buy and
50:54
then you get the house and that's the bigger
50:56
thing. So if the Holy Spirit was the deposit,
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it seems that whatever we have now is bigger
51:02
than that. We have the glorified Christ in us.
51:07
I mean, he had to go to heaven and be glorified
51:10
before we could get his spirit. I mean, it would
51:14
make sense to me that the reason they could do
51:16
the miracles in the first century was because
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they had this deposit, the Holy Spirit, and the
51:22
miracles were to prove that this deposit was
51:25
evidence of this greater thing that was coming,
51:29
you know, I don't. I'm going to share my screen.
51:33
So we'll just actually read what you just, you
51:35
were just talking. It's Ephesians 1 14. And this
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is in the NASB. 13 and 14. Yeah. In him, you
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also. After listening to the message of truth
51:47
the gospel of your salvation having also believed
51:49
you were sealed in him with the Holy Spirit of
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promise who is Given as a pledge of our inheritance
51:55
with a view to the redemption of God's own possession
51:58
to the praise of his glory He is the seal. He
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is the inheritance him. It's Jesus. It's his
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spirit Well, so Holy Spirit no No, it's definitely
52:13
but Kristen No, sorry. Kristen, have you ever
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seen a miracle ever in your life? Well, I just
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had a video out recently where I said that everything
52:27
that God does is a miracle. Like, I believe that
52:30
every single breath we take is a miracle. Every
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day the sun comes up, it's a miracle. You know,
52:36
everything is a miracle. But I have never seen
52:39
someone lay their hands on a blind man and have
52:42
them see or spit in their face and have them
52:45
see. I've never seen A person that couldn't walk
52:48
and and he says get up and walk. I mean, I've
52:51
seen people fake doing that. It's all but I've
52:53
never seen it happen. I've never seen a dead
52:56
man and they now I know people like Karen have
52:59
have died and I believe she legitimately died,
53:02
but I've never seen someone walk up to a dead
53:04
person and say get up. So I've never seen I've
53:09
never seen speaking in tongues the way they were
53:11
doing it. So you know, I think we have to. There's
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a to me. It's just like it was obvious to me
53:18
that there's something different Going on in
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the book of acts that I know I don't see that
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happening today. I hope that isn't Yes So much
53:30
harm Kristen that we have seen in all of our
53:34
years together My brother was in a hospital very
53:38
ill at 23 22 years old And we were visiting a
53:43
church where they believed in faith healing.
53:45
And they came and prayed for him and told him
53:48
to get out of that house, unplug those IVs and
53:50
get out of that bed and walk. And of course he
53:53
was ill the rest of his adult life, very ill.
53:57
And so it didn't work, so to speak. So it's very
54:02
troubling that all through the years most of
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us have seen it not work. in the name of Jesus
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with regard to these supernatural miracles of
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healing. And as you said, raising people and
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healing people from blindness and even from broken
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limbs, severe heart issues, or even autism. I
54:26
say that you're healed in the name. This curse
54:28
is gone in the name of Jesus. You're no longer
54:30
autistic. And then you see them a week later
54:33
and they're still autistic. I'm with you on that.
54:37
That's a great question. Of course it has to
54:40
be. Not our will. Like, we don't have the power
54:44
to do that. If we go in somewhere and say, I'm
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going to heal this person in the name of Jesus,
54:48
if it's not God working and God sending you there
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to do that through the Holy Spirit, and you know
54:55
he's sending you there because then things will
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happen. When the Holy Spirit tells you to do
55:01
something and you do it, miracles happen. but
55:03
when you're doing it on your own power it doesn't
55:05
happen does it point back to the fact that in
55:09
the acts that the holy spirit was leading and
55:12
guiding them and the holy spirit didn't let them
55:14
go and the holy spirit didn't let them say this
55:17
but he took them there and caused them to say
55:19
this and that and the other why i'm going to
55:22
go back to to christian's question why do we
55:26
not seem to be as guided and as powerful as the
55:32
acts We don't listen. We don't listen for the
55:37
Holy Spirit. I don't think many people do. So
55:40
you don't think that a single believer on planet
55:43
Earth? No, I think a lot of them do. But I think
55:46
in the major churches, it's not taught. And a
55:49
lot of the healings are fake. They're man -made.
55:52
They're not Holy Spirit. Sure. I've actually
55:55
been, I've experienced it, Kristin. I've seen
56:02
an actual miracle take place and I didn't have
56:07
the faith while it was happening. I've shared
56:12
this on the boroughs in the past, but there was
56:15
a woman who had stage four pancreatic cancer.
56:17
She lived here in Hoopers Creek and she requested
56:22
that the church would come and pray with her
56:25
because she was going to have this very aggressive
56:29
experimental treatment done. at some facility.
56:35
I always say it's Kentucky, but I think I was
56:37
wrong. I think it was going to be in Houston.
56:39
But whatever it was, she was going for this.
56:41
And so she wanted the church to pray that this,
56:43
you know, that this radical treatment would work.
56:47
And so when I went, I prayed along with the church
56:51
but I just I didn't believe it if I can just
56:53
be honest like I've been in those kinds of services
56:57
before and I'm like ah whatever you know whatever's
56:59
gonna happen is gonna happen you know and then
57:01
or I would say or the cop out for me being reformed
57:04
was well it's if it's God's will it's God's will
57:06
I mean that's just fair right so I um that was
57:10
me but there were plenty of people that were
57:13
there in that group of people and there was probably
57:16
about 40 people there that were just weeping
57:20
and they were praying that God would deliver
57:23
her from this pancreatic cancer and stage four
57:29
most of you guys know I mean it's you're not
57:31
going to come back from that I mean very easily
57:33
and she left the next morning and she even requested
57:40
that they put anointed oil on a handkerchief,
57:43
which is something that you find in the book
57:45
of Acts. And we're not Pentecostal. We're deeply
57:47
Baptist. We don't do this, but she, she requested
57:50
it. Okay. And so they did anointed with oil.
57:53
They prayed with her with the oil and that, and
57:55
then they gave it to her and she left out the
57:57
next morning, very early five in the morning.
58:01
And when she arrived at the facility where this
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treatment was going to be done, when they brought
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her in to do the scans, to start working on it,
58:13
she had no cancer in her body zero now when i
58:19
heard that the first thing that i thought was
58:21
well then she most likely didn't have cancer
58:24
before but she had all of the information from
58:28
before so it was real okay this woman actually
58:33
had stage four pancreatic cancer people prayed
58:36
and then the cancer was no longer there so somebody
58:40
got through Or the Lord that was what the Lord
58:42
wanted or that's what she wanted her faith was
58:44
so strong that God gave her what she asked for
58:48
Are we right back to what Karen was talking about
58:53
like if we just had enough faith and I think
58:56
that look What I can't answer is why? Because
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like I said, I didn't believe it. I didn't believe
59:04
it So I wasn't the one that was in there that
59:07
had all the faith that was moving mountains You
59:09
know, I, I always said, if you want to move a
59:12
mountain, then you better bring a shovel. I mean,
59:13
that's me. Like that's the world that I grew
59:15
up. That's the way I thought. But that's not
59:18
how it worked in that particular instance. So
59:21
that's always stuck with me as something that
59:23
I, I kind of hold it as like a stone, you know,
59:26
on the altars over there. Like I can go back
59:28
to it and remember it. Like I just, I remember
59:30
that. Um, and you, I can let you talk to cherry
59:33
and Rodney Lewis and they can tell you all about
59:35
the things that the Lord did for them when he
59:37
saved them. uh from the the stuff that they were
59:42
in it's quite remarkable the turnaround um in
59:45
their lives but the other thing i'll bring up
59:48
here and then we'll close out the study for tonight
59:50
this has been this has been awesome for a first
59:53
episode in first corinthians 13 um i'd love to
59:58
say this this isn't always a wedding chapter
1:00:01
even though we read it at the wedding chapter
1:00:04
but one of the things He says in the first verse
1:00:09
and I, Karen Rogers, you say this to me all the
1:00:11
time. If I speak with the tongues of men and
1:00:13
of angels, but do not have love, I've become
1:00:15
a noisy gong or a clanging symbol. How many times
1:00:18
have we said that Karen? You know, we talk about
1:00:20
it all the time. He's making a point about love
1:00:23
and what's what is coming, you know, by this
1:00:26
Holy Spirit. And when you get down to verse eight,
1:00:30
he says love never fails, but if there are gifts
1:00:33
of prophecy, they will be done away. If there
1:00:38
are tongues, they will cease. If there is knowledge,
1:00:42
it will be done away. So Paul is stating here,
1:00:48
something's going to stop at some point. Is that
1:00:52
the end of human history or is that the end of
1:00:54
the temple or there's some sort of an end, but
1:00:56
something's going to stop. When the perfect comes,
1:00:59
the partial will be done away. Right. So something
1:01:03
ceases. And he tells you, look, if I have the
1:01:06
gift of prophecy, and I know all mysteries, and
1:01:09
I have all knowledge, and if I have all faith,
1:01:12
that I could remove those mountains, but I don't
1:01:14
have love, then I am nothing. So obviously, Paul,
1:01:18
who plays a very important role in the Book of
1:01:22
Acts, comes to this understanding by the Holy
1:01:27
Spirit that even with faith that moves mountains
1:01:30
and that could heal a blind man or a beggar or
1:01:33
a demon possessed person, that if love is absent,
1:01:37
then it's meaningless. So I think love is at
1:01:40
the core of whatever those things are. If you're
1:01:43
speaking in tongues, like back in those days,
1:01:46
they were sharing the gospel in Acts chapter
1:01:48
two, to all of those Jews from around the world
1:01:52
that had come to the feast of weeks. And then,
1:01:56
you know, if you're going, what does he say?
1:01:58
Gold and silver, I don't have. But this I do
1:02:02
have in the name of Jesus Christ now there's
1:02:04
take up your bed and walk You know, I think that
1:02:07
in in their heart It wasn't just about the miracle
1:02:10
is about delivering this man, you know, like
1:02:13
they loved this broken man there's something
1:02:17
to it, you know in regard to Supernatural and
1:02:21
so I think I can import that same idea into what
1:02:26
happened to this woman who is still alive and
1:02:29
just lives right over the mountain over here,
1:02:32
that there was an outpouring of love. And I think
1:02:37
that that, you know, she wanted it and she got
1:02:40
it. And I can't say that's true for everyone.
1:02:43
I don't know. Again, I wasn't I wasn't the faithful
1:02:47
guy that day. I just think of someone who is
1:02:51
like you know, has a little child that has cancer
1:02:54
and they go to their hospital bed and the whole
1:02:57
church prays over them and they anoint them with
1:03:00
oil and the parents have faith and the child
1:03:02
has faith and then that child dies and we say,
1:03:05
what, what do we say then? God, you know what
1:03:09
I'm saying? Like we can't, I don't think we can
1:03:12
say they just had more faith in the one circumstance
1:03:17
or the other. Like obviously God chooses. Jesus
1:03:23
said when they said about the blind man who sinned
1:03:26
his father or mother he said nobody so that I
1:03:28
could be glorified all of this is for God's glory
1:03:31
all of it can we believe and trust God even when
1:03:33
our child dies even when they turn satanic even
1:03:37
when which I've had happen in my life even with
1:03:40
all the bad things, are we still going to trust
1:03:43
him? Like, Joe, are we still going to trust him?
1:03:46
And I think this life is a test. It's a test
1:03:48
of our faith. No matter what happens, are we
1:03:51
going to go? He takes my life. Well, I trust
1:03:53
him. Yeah, absolutely. Well, except for Kristen,
1:03:56
I think all of the rest of us could say that
1:03:57
these gray hairs mean something by now. So yeah,
1:04:00
Karen, I agree. That gray hair, too. I just follow
1:04:03
my hair to say that you didn't have to say that.
1:04:07
But I do so I don't pull the gray ones out. Yeah.
1:04:11
Yeah. Well, I want to be bald. This is this is
1:04:15
going to be great. The Book of Acts is such a
1:04:17
stellar book. You know, we always talk about
1:04:20
the love of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. And then,
1:04:22
you know, let's not forget that the Holy Spirit
1:04:24
struck down Ananias and Sapphira. Yeah, that
1:04:27
happens in this book. How fearful we need to
1:04:30
be of the spirit as well. But also there's, there's
1:04:34
some funny stuff in the book of acts, like whenever
1:04:36
they, like in Acts chapter two, these men are
1:04:39
drunk. You know, I think that's funny. And whenever
1:04:41
Peter's like, it's only nine in the morning.
1:04:44
And I'm like, that dude's never been on a college
1:04:46
campus because that doesn't mean anything. But,
1:04:48
but, and then also how about whenever there's
1:04:52
another man named Ananias that Paul goes to or
1:04:57
Saul of Tarsus at the time goes to and you know,
1:05:02
God tells him to take him and he's going to baptize
1:05:06
him and he's going to send him to finish up the
1:05:08
suffering in his name. And Ananias literally
1:05:11
says to God, do you know how bad this dude is?
1:05:16
I mean, that's in the book of Acts. Like that's
1:05:18
how real these conversations get. Oh, look, I
1:05:21
think Shelley Sangry just joined us. She's she's
1:05:24
she's got it on the mute for now. One of the
1:05:28
funniest things, Rick, is when Peter is let out
1:05:31
of jail, he goes and knocks and the girl comes
1:05:33
to the door and she's so excited and so flabbergasted
1:05:36
that she runs back into the house rather than
1:05:38
opens the door and let him in. And I think we
1:05:42
all know someone who's just so giddy and so excitable
1:05:45
that would do that very thing. It's very relatable.
1:05:50
Absolutely. Hello there, Shelly. How are you?
1:05:52
Can you hear me? I don't know if you can hear
1:05:54
me yet. I can hear you. OK. Oh, I made it. I'm
1:05:59
sorry. What a day. It's okay. It's okay. And,
1:06:03
um, you're actually here at the end of episode
1:06:05
one, but we're going to, so you'll be here for
1:06:08
episode two, which is fantastic. But, um, I tell
1:06:12
you what the hospital. Well, it was, it was at
1:06:17
preparation tonight, her, her, uh, not surgery,
1:06:22
but it's happening tomorrow. She's having a colonoscopy.
1:06:25
So it was the prep today. It was just. Drinking
1:06:28
the stuff. Drinking the bad stuff. That was a
1:06:31
pun. Like, that was a pun. Yeah, the prep for
1:06:39
colonoscopies are always a mess, everybody. And
1:06:43
as we wrap up. Yeah. I tell you what, hey, Big
1:06:50
Daddy, would you close this episode out in prayer
1:06:52
for us? I sure can. Okay. All right, let us pray.
1:06:59
Dearly Father, we thank you for this wonderful
1:07:00
time of the wonderful fellowship, the wonderful
1:07:03
communication that we've had and the love and
1:07:05
care we have for each other for this Burroughs
1:07:08
2 .0, Father, that you bring us together and
1:07:11
you allow us to speak of your Word, to study
1:07:14
it, to speculate on it, and to talk about the
1:07:18
many things that will come out of all these books
1:07:20
that we will take the time to look at and read.
1:07:23
Father, as we continue this journey with Burroughs
1:07:26
2 .0, Father, Allow us to have love and care
1:07:31
for each other as we work through these things.
1:07:34
They're not easy. They're tough. We know that
1:07:37
already. But we'll love each other and care for
1:07:40
each other and care for the people that will
1:07:42
listen to us. And we'll also ask questions, debate
1:07:46
us, sometimes make it angry at us. But we'll
1:07:50
love them and care for them and help them the
1:07:52
best way we know and the best way possible. made
1:07:55
through the Holy Spirit that we communicated
1:07:56
to each other with the love and kindness as you've
1:07:59
always given us. And we thank you for all the
1:08:02
things that you've done for us. We ask those
1:08:03
things in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. All right.
1:08:08
Well, we'll see you guys next time on the burrows
1:08:11
of Berea. Peace out everybody.