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Joe Maddon on postseason intuition · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Hey, Joe Madden is here back on bout territory. Joe,
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Speaker 1: So So, first off, Joe, there was a great article
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Speaker 1: in The Athletic written by Rust and Dodd about you know,
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Speaker 1: your experience, obviously managing post season experience, all of that,
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Speaker 1: and one part that stood out was the saying that
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Speaker 1: you plastered on a hoodie. And I think it's relevant
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Speaker 1: as we crack open a postseason conversation. That's saying is
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Speaker 1: feel is the gift of experience? Can you elaborate?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: I think in today's world and general terms, I'll speak generally,
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Speaker 3: I think that people have sent it to leadership positions
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Speaker 3: without having hit all the stops. I mean, I listen,
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to old school on you guys. And
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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be like the guy that's over
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Speaker 3: fifty right now. But as I came up through the
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Speaker 3: minor leagues, man, you had to hit all the stops
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Speaker 3: in order to be considered competent to move to the
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Speaker 3: next level. Gosh, I was the most wonderful experience I've
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Speaker 3: ever had was being a scout, a free agent scout
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty four. Then they
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Speaker 3: became a full time manager, but I still scout it. Scouting,
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Speaker 3: to me is what all of it every aspiring baseball manager,
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Speaker 3: major league manager should do in order to really understand
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Speaker 3: what's going on on the field. So I did the scouting,
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Speaker 3: and then from there I managed six years, and then
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Speaker 3: I was a field coordinator, hitting instructor, catching instructor, based
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Speaker 3: running instructor, outfield instructor. Then it became partly a farm director,
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Speaker 3: and then eventually got to the big league as a
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Speaker 3: bullpen coach, first base coach, bench coach.
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Speaker 2: Then it became a manager.
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Speaker 3: So I really, when I say that, feel when I
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Speaker 3: do almost anything, and I think you guys could actually
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Speaker 3: understand this two and I believe you do the same
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Speaker 3: thing based on your experiences, your intuition, the knowledge you've accumulated,
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Speaker 3: a situation will pop and you will just react to it.
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Speaker 2: And I used to think I was concerned.
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Speaker 3: I was like, am I reacting by the seat of
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Speaker 3: my pants or actually actually have a basis to come
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Speaker 3: to these conclusions that quickly? And finally I realized, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I do. It's like the Blink theory if you ever
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Speaker 3: read Malcolm Gladwell's book Blink about the pretty much intuition,
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Speaker 3: the moment and making a decision, and you either thin
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Speaker 3: slice it, which I like to do, which is quick,
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Speaker 3: or thinck slice to take your time. But in order
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Speaker 3: to feel good about those decisions or those what I
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Speaker 3: thought formally was the seat of the pants, which really
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Speaker 3: was intuition and feel based on experience, then I became
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Speaker 3: more confident in those decisions.
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Speaker 2: So that's it.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think you could really say you feel
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Speaker 3: something or felt something in a dugout or anyone else
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Speaker 3: in your life if you haven't.
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Speaker 2: Gone through some life experiences to get there. So that's it.
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Speaker 3: And that's pretty much the reason why I concluded that
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Speaker 3: I believe it wholeheartedly.
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Speaker 2: I believe it to be accurate and true.
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Speaker 3: And that's where I think that a lot of times
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Speaker 3: with the analytical approach relies less on that, and analytics
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Speaker 3: is the big picture, that is how you prepare for
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Speaker 3: something in a quiet moment. It's all theoretical, it's all theory,
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Speaker 3: and it's wonderful and I love it. But the actual
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Speaker 3: game is the small sample size. That's where things have
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Speaker 3: to change. Your turn on a fly, and that's where
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Speaker 3: feel or the gift of experience shows up.
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Speaker 5: That was absolutely phenomenal because I was part of my
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Speaker 5: question was part of experience and understanding when to make decisions.
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Speaker 5: Now my question, you'd be of a starting picture your decisions.
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Speaker 5: You have all this laid out about what you would
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Speaker 5: like to who would you like to face this person
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Speaker 5: facing a lefty, this guy coming and facing already I
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Speaker 5: think I got like aj Hinch, who's a mastermind that
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Speaker 5: doing all that kind of stuff. Now you've got to
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Speaker 5: starter or say Blake Snell for example, that is absolutely
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Speaker 5: cruising one hundred and three pitches. Do you just throw
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Speaker 5: all that out the window and say this is our guy,
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Speaker 5: We're just gonna let it happen, or do you have
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Speaker 5: to stick by this plan which some some managers have
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Speaker 5: done before.
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Speaker 3: No, I mean I would stay. I would stick with
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Speaker 3: the pitcher that's in the game of Esus Cruise, and
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Speaker 3: I did it with Arietta. It's in that article. I
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Speaker 3: believe in the wild card game in Pittsburgh and Jake
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Speaker 3: was just flying through this whole thing, and you know,
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Speaker 3: conventional wisdom where baseball wasn't would say to bring in
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Speaker 3: your closer.
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Speaker 2: I think it was four nothing or something like that
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Speaker 2: in the ninth inning. But why would I take Jake
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Speaker 2: Area out of that, out of that moment.
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Speaker 3: See, part of this is that we are we are
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Speaker 3: legislating against greatness. That's part of my all. That bothers
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Speaker 3: me too, baseball players whatever. I remember, we're talking baseball now.
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Speaker 3: I think sometimes the analytical method gets in a way
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Speaker 3: of the greatness of a player.
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Speaker 2: I e.
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Speaker 3: The time that Snow was taken out of the game,
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Speaker 3: and it was a twenty twenty World Series, and like yesterday,
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Speaker 3: I think the Dodgers having been on the other side
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Speaker 3: of things, and no, no, we're gonna let this guy
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Speaker 3: ride because we know how unhittable he could actually be.
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Speaker 3: So Yes, I believe before every game, Toddy, I sit down,
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Speaker 3: and I go through the whole lineup, and I write
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Speaker 3: relief pictures names after every hitter, and I write little
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Speaker 3: lines like little slots blocks. Today it's different because of
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Speaker 3: the three batter minimum, which I hate. I think it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Any rule, new rule change that interferes with strategy, I
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Speaker 3: think is wrong. If a time of the game pitch clock,
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Speaker 3: that is fabulous, that is that is pure genius and
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Speaker 3: actually the only rule that needed to be.
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Speaker 2: Implemented in our game. That's it.
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Speaker 3: But when you start messing with strategy, there's point of
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Speaker 3: building blocks where relief pictures could fit into a block.
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Speaker 2: Now it has to become a block of three.
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Speaker 3: Much more difficult to you really decide on somebody there,
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Speaker 3: So long story short, Yes, if my guy's cruising, I'll
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Speaker 3: then continue to cruise. You know, pitch count might be
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Speaker 3: part of it. How deep into the game it is,
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Speaker 3: How how has contact gotten louder over the last couple
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Speaker 3: at basses? You know, all those everything weighs into this factor.
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Speaker 3: Who's the guy, who's the guy? What kind of heartbeat
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Speaker 3: does he have? Every We treat everybody as though everybody's
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Speaker 3: the same.
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Speaker 2: And they're not. And that's the part that has to
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Speaker 2: be interpreted better.
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Speaker 4: Man, just clip clip that part. Everybody is not the same,
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Speaker 4: and yet all the numbers look different. You go, well, okay,
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Speaker 4: well that guy's like that guy. So but I'm just
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Speaker 4: looking at your baseball reference page here, Joe. Okay, what
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Speaker 4: would What would two thousand and six manager of a
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Speaker 4: sixty one and one hundred or sixty one and one
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Speaker 4: oh one Race team say about his feel was it, Man,
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Speaker 4: I'm finally a manager because we have I think we're
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Speaker 4: fifteen or ninety three managerial openings in the big leagues
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Speaker 4: right now, and there's a lot of guys whose names
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Speaker 4: are coming up that are like, oh, I'm so excited
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Speaker 4: I'm going to be a big league manager. What did
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Speaker 4: two thousand and six Joe say about his feel.
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Speaker 2: Well, I felt that I deserved it.
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Speaker 3: I felt that I had earned the right to be
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Speaker 3: there because I had interviewed other times with the Angels,
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Speaker 3: I interviewed with the Diamondbacks, I interviewed with the Red
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Speaker 3: Sox when Tito got the job. However, if I did
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Speaker 3: not get the job when I interview with the Race,
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Speaker 3: I'd have been really upset because that job was perfect
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Speaker 3: for me. So that the difference was that or the difference?
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Speaker 3: For me, I felt at that point that I'd earned
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Speaker 3: the right to be there, that I knew what I knew,
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Speaker 3: you know, and that really makes a lot of sense
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Speaker 3: to me. A lot of people don't know what they
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Speaker 3: think they know. They just they hear stuff. The regurgitators,
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Speaker 3: they don't really have this. It's not part of their
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Speaker 3: their their makeup them, it's not part of their that
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Speaker 3: caulsire of information they have.
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Speaker 2: They don't really know. But you'd really need to know.
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Speaker 3: Your stuff to have confidence to challenge norms in hot
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Speaker 3: moments when you don't worry about answering questions because you
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Speaker 3: really know you know what you know, you know what
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Speaker 3: you're talking about. You've been there, done that before. And
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Speaker 3: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And I've always believed
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Speaker 3: even though some things don't work out, it doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: the decision was wrong. It just didn't work out in
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Speaker 3: the moment. After all, both sides are good. Brewers are good,
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Speaker 3: Dodgers are good. Stuff's going to happen a guy to Dodgers,
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Speaker 3: who is going to be the decision made by Merph. Okay,
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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. That just
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Speaker 3: means both sides are good. You have to be convicted
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Speaker 3: what you're thinking. You have to know exactly through experience
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Speaker 3: and feel, intuition and yes information, what do I believe
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Speaker 3: in this moment? You react to it. And so that's
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Speaker 3: what I learned. And so two thousand and six, I
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Speaker 3: felt like I had earned the right to be there,
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Speaker 4: We're going to go to a future Hall of Famer
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Speaker 4: who's looking to be a manager. But I'm going to
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Speaker 4: wind it back. Ryan Samberg, who just passed away, was
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Speaker 4: my manager in Triple A. Ryan Samberg is a Hall
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Speaker 4: of Famer and I saw him come up through the
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Speaker 4: ranks in the minor leagues. Whether people thought he was
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Speaker 4: a good big league manager or not, I saw it,
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Speaker 4: and he became one of my close friends even after
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Speaker 4: he was a manager, and I saw him relearn every
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Speaker 4: step and I thought, in a different situation, he would
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Speaker 4: have been a good manager. Fast forward now to Albert
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Speaker 4: Puhost being out there as a potential manager. Has he
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Speaker 4: done enough steps like you said, because nobody's gonna deny
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Speaker 4: his Hall of Fame celebrity status. But if you want
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Speaker 4: to win in the big leagues, in my opinion, you
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Speaker 4: need the guy like you said that has sat in
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Speaker 4: everybody's shoes run, everybody's steps, gotten sent down, gotten called up,
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Speaker 4: knows what it's like to pitch in triple A, then
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Speaker 4: one day in the big leagues, then again in triple A.
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, let me just talk about Rhino,
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Speaker 3: who I love too. When he went to managing the
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Speaker 3: minor leagues. I called him, I got a texted or
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Speaker 3: call him whatever, and I just told him how much
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Speaker 3: I respected him for doing that and what it meant
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Speaker 3: to me as a lifer, that this is a Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame player that chose the right way to try
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Speaker 3: to do this. And I told him that exactly, and
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Speaker 3: we became pretty good friends after that. I became manager
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Speaker 3: of the Cubs, etc.
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Speaker 2: But I've had.
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Speaker 3: Such a mad amount of respect for Ryan O for
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Speaker 3: doing that. Now, before you're talking about Albert, let's talk
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Speaker 3: to there's other guys that have done the same thing
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Speaker 3: that pretty much just went from playing to managing on
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Speaker 3: a big league level. And quite frankly, I could have
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Speaker 3: never done that. I would never have wanted to do that.
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Speaker 3: But in today's game, it's different because I think front
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Speaker 3: offices a lot of times would prefer that they would
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Speaker 3: prefer having somebody with less. I don't want to say
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Speaker 3: preconceived notions, but experience at the point where you're very opinionated,
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Speaker 3: as oppost to the guy that doesn't have more innate information,
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Speaker 3: experience that might interfere with their the analytical process because
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Speaker 3: you're going to be loud about it. You're going to
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Speaker 3: tell them what you think when you think it. You're
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Speaker 3: not going to always accept a number blindly because you
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Speaker 3: know better. Like I said before, the analytics is wonderful,
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Speaker 3: and I was pretty much at the forefront of all
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Speaker 3: that with Andrew and the Rays, and even before that,
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Speaker 3: I did my own method of that with the Angels
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Speaker 3: and my prep for my managers, whether it was Marcel,
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Speaker 3: Terry Collins, Mike Soosha, I had my own method of
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Speaker 3: doing that.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have. It was just me.
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Speaker 3: I didn't have like this these baseball ops departments. So
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Speaker 3: I know what it's, what it's like, what it's all about.
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Speaker 3: So I think my perspective is that leadership has taken
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Speaker 3: on a different definition, where today leaders or people that
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Speaker 3: are looking for leadership, they want to have somebody they
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Speaker 3: could control as opposed to empowered. And that's the difference.
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Speaker 3: So I think in today's game and the way things
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Speaker 3: are done. Almost the less experience you have coming into
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Speaker 3: the job, the more appealing you are.
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Speaker 5: That's interesting. I know Kratzy's looking for a job too.
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Speaker 5: You might have to give him a little boost and
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Speaker 5: maybe find a way to get him. Yes, yes, and crazy, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: I would. I want to get into show Hao Tany
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Speaker 5: a little bit. You know him well, one of the
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Speaker 5: most prolific hitters and you know, if not pitchers too
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Speaker 5: have dare I say in the league in baseball, he's
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Speaker 5: struggling offensively a little bit, but lo and behold, the
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Speaker 5: Dodgers will still finding ways to win. Freddie Freeman too
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Speaker 5: as well. Talk a little bit about show hey, and
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Speaker 5: maybe you know, like what goes on in this guy's mind?
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Speaker 5: How is he so good? But what what? Why do
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Speaker 5: you think he's struggling right now?
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Speaker 2: A little bit?
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Speaker 3: He looks like he's pulling off the ball. I mean
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Speaker 3: when he when he starts left center. As his friend,
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Speaker 3: when I had him there and I used to he
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Speaker 3: was struggling to be in the rocks and left center
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Speaker 3: at at Anaheim, I say, show just the rocks are
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Speaker 3: your buddy, hit the rocks. Go for the Rocks, because
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Speaker 3: when his swing lines up that way, everything takes off
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Speaker 3: for him, I for the in this moment, he might
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Speaker 3: be trying a little bit too hard, which he normally
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Speaker 3: doesn't do. The thing I love about him, I've often
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Speaker 3: thought he's a lot like Ripkin Cal because I used
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Speaker 3: to observe Cal a lot, and I've become friends with
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Speaker 3: him since. But for me, for Ripkin, the game was
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Speaker 3: a game always, regardless of his stature, what he did,
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Speaker 3: the records, you know, iron Man, all this stuff, he
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Speaker 3: still played a game, meaning that during the pregame he
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Speaker 3: gets his ground balls and he tried to hit the
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Speaker 3: fungos hitter circle, throw it in the circle. In between innings,
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Speaker 3: he run out to his position. If Billy was playing, also,
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Speaker 3: Billy would guard him and pal Merrero Whid try to
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Speaker 3: hit him with the pass. Always playing a game, Show
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Speaker 3: does the same thing I don't. Show doesn't let it
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Speaker 3: get too let it get too big. Show is that talented.
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Speaker 3: He loves what he does, and he's so in the moment,
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Speaker 3: and he knows he's good, and he knows he playing
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Speaker 3: it a little bit higher level, so he he's able
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Speaker 3: to slow things down normally and do things that others
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Speaker 3: cannot do because he is playing a game. He's not
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Speaker 3: up there, he's not all up tight, it's not spinning
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Speaker 3: too quickly. He's just got he's got a different heartbeat
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Speaker 3: and athletically speaking, beyond this hitting, when you watch him
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Speaker 3: pitch and the field that he has for that and
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Speaker 3: I he's able to be creative on the fly as
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Speaker 3: a pitcher, unbelievable. I watched it from the side. So
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Speaker 3: you're watching a guy that really he's in that league
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Speaker 3: above the league, the major leagues. There's you know, there's
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Speaker 3: been guys that have been in that league, and he's
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Speaker 3: in that there. You've always talked about the four A player,
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Speaker 3: the guy that's in the big leagues, but it's pretty
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Speaker 3: much four A. Then you got the big leaguers and
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Speaker 3: there really good big leaders, and then you got the
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Speaker 3: show a's of the world. So he is that good.
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Speaker 3: I think it's his heartbeat, his ability to process, his
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Speaker 3: self confidence, and just his skill level is ridiculous. I mean,
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Speaker 3: the guy could be a gold glove outfielder tomorrow, any
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Speaker 3: and any any spot. If you put him out there,
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Speaker 3: he could be a gold glove outfielder. I've watched him
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Speaker 3: chase down flyballs, whatever, his base running, his speed, his
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Speaker 3: intellect for the game is way above way above average.
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Speaker 4: All right, I'm going to go to a decision though.
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Speaker 4: Around show Hey, the Phillies decided to walk him when
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Speaker 4: he was one for eighteen. Last night, the Brewers decided
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Speaker 4: to welcome. In both of those cases, it ended up
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Speaker 4: bringing up Mookie Betts, who walked the winning run in
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Speaker 4: When you see a elite talent what I would call
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Speaker 4: the metaverse type of player like show Hey and Judge struggling,
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Speaker 4: are you still afraid of him as a manager because
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Speaker 4: that's what caused those moments, or are you able to
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Speaker 4: go just like with a pitcher, I'm seeing it right now,
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Speaker 4: he is pulling off and I think I like this matchup.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean that's what we're talking about, either the large
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Speaker 3: sample size, the whole body of work, or you're talking
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Speaker 3: about the moment. You're talking about the field, the intuition,
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Speaker 3: what's going on right here. So a lot of times
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Speaker 3: you know that the decision like that probably was discussed
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Speaker 3: maybe before the game, possibly at least the manager, among
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Speaker 3: his staff, among his pitching coaches, whatever you discuss if
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Speaker 3: this were to happen. However, I have and I believe
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Speaker 3: that if I see a guy struggling, that's where the
18:19
Speaker 3: small sample size comes into play. That's where intuition, feel,
18:23
Speaker 3: wisdom comes into play for the game. That's one thing
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Speaker 3: I've always asked analytical groups to do because they always
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Speaker 3: talk about the big picture of the large sample size,
18:31
Speaker 3: always follow that it's going to play out.
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Speaker 2: I get that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, if're gonna invest my money, absolutely I want you
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Speaker 3: to do that. But if you're managing a game on
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Speaker 3: August fifteenth or in the playoffs right now, I need
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Speaker 3: the small sample size. I need to know what's going
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Speaker 3: on right now with this dude. Is he who he
18:45
Speaker 3: is right now? Or is he just not that fella?
18:48
Speaker 3: Or there's some guys like polonuncle who's just killing it
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Speaker 3: right now right not that listen. He's a good player,
18:53
Speaker 3: but all of a sudden, Wow, he's superman. So do
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Speaker 3: you treat him with more respect now or do you
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Speaker 3: just say no, he's gonna come back to the mean,
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Speaker 3: revert to the mean, and all of a sudden, he's
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Speaker 3: going to go back to what he had been.
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Speaker 2: You have.
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Speaker 3: That's where I think, that's where the managerial seat comes
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Speaker 3: in and you have to make a decision based on
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Speaker 3: what am I seeing right now, what am I feeling.
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Speaker 3: That's why I never sat down in a dugout. It's
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Speaker 3: always on the top step. Always had to feel the game,
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Speaker 3: how to feel the crowd, how to feel my guys,
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Speaker 3: how to feel the other team, how to feel everything
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Speaker 3: in order that I thought to make a good decision.
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Speaker 3: So I guess to answer your question, yes, I probably listen.
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Speaker 3: You never know what you're actually in that moment. I
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Speaker 3: totally believe that it's easy to say what you would
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Speaker 3: have done from a distance in the moment. I would
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Speaker 3: like to believe, because I think I've done in the past.
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Speaker 3: If a big dude is just not good right now,
19:41
Speaker 3: I'd go after him.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, great insight, Joe. And you know, we wouldn't
19:48
Speaker 1: want to keep you it too much longer because it's
19:50
Speaker 1: now what sixty two degrees, There is no rain in
19:53
Speaker 1: the forecast the rest of the day, and I do
19:55
Speaker 1: not want to be responsible for preventing a great day
19:58
Speaker 1: of golf that you know, we're getting close to that
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Speaker 1: time where it gets a little chilly and and there's
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Speaker 1: not as much time to do this.
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Speaker 3: You'd been when I go to Florida, right.
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Speaker 2: I'll be hitting down the Tampa at the end of
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Speaker 2: the month. Brother, I'll be there. Oh.
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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that snowbird life. I'm with you, well, Joe,
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Speaker 1: we always really enjoy these. Yeah, Well, save travels. Hopefully
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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you before then, but if not, save
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Speaker 1: travels down there and have a great game today.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate your your good questions, and inside I do.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I like to come on here.
20:31
Speaker 3: You guys are different, and I appreciate that you make
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Speaker 3: me think a little bit, and I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: It's great. It is really really well appreciated. There's a
20:39
Speaker 1: good audience watching live right now too, so they're liking
20:41
Speaker 1: it as well. Thank you, Joe. And on the way
20:43
Speaker 1: out here, just a reminder to everyone, Joe's got a
20:46
Speaker 1: pretty still recent book, a book of Joe and a
20:49
Speaker 1: podcast with Tom Berducci that I love to listen to.
20:52
Speaker 1: So if you want more of that, you get this.
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Speaker 2: I listen to all the episodes.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, We'll talk.
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Speaker 2: To you soon. Thanks to have a great day. See
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Speaker 2: you boys. Bye.
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Speaker 3: I look a