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One Piece 461-463 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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episodes four sixty one through four sixty three, the beginning of the war,
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Ace and Whitebeards passed, the force that could destroy the world, the power
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of the Tremor Tremor fruit, and an all consuming inferno, Admiral Akainu's power.
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In these episodes, we get a lineup of so many giant, overpowered
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maniacs that, frankly, I have some concerns for the state of the seabed,
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Like down to the bottom of the world, the core of the earth
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here, I don't know if everything's gonna make it. Welcome to spoil Me,
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Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much
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to Florian for commissioning this episode and also for being very patient. I have
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had to reschedule, had a computer just completely shit the bed, basically,
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and we are going forward with a real sort of tentative hopefulness because I have
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a brand new system, guys, and I'm watching garage band struggle, and
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I'm starting to just think that garage band is the issue, and maybe I
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just need to get over it and learn a whole new editing system. These
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episodes, y'all, it is okay. See now, Floriin is in the
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chat saying the exact thing that I was thinking. This feels like Monarch's showing
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up. Those who don't know what I'm talking about, read the Cradle series.
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If you like one piece, you're gonna fucking love the Cradle series.
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And yet very similar energy we are. We are at the very least we're
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in the midst of stages right minimum. Maybe not quite monarchs yet, but
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like it's pretty close. If it is monarchs, they're just doing their light
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work. And this level of ability that these guys all just roll out.
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I keep thinking about. I have been covering for spoil Me, and I
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recently just completely wrapped it up. I was covering the Mage Errant book series,
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which is written by somebody who is uh also I believe a one fan,
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and he is a friend of Will White's as well, who wrote Cradle,
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and he gives his like characters some of the big time like great powers
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like abilities on this level. But the thing that he does is that he
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wants to let you know exactly how these powers work in terms of like the
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physics of what they affect. And all I could think for this series,
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like, you know, in these three episodes, the entire ocean gets frozen
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for like miles and I was like, if John Berce was writing this,
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he would have to explain to us exactly how deep the freeze goes, what
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wildlife was affected, and the way in which it would change the shape of
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the ecosystem for years to come. Like that's the kind of thing that he
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would get into. And you know, obviously in this show that is super
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not a concern, and I totally respect that it's not the vibe of the
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show. It shouldn't be included. But I did keep stop. I did
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keep on stopping and thinking like that feels like it's a problem, like a
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really you know, that's something that's going to be somebody out there in the
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wrong place at the wrong time, just trying to sail home with their fishing
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catch for the day and they just get frozen in place, and then they
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start to walk on the ice to get home, and somebody else decides to
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do away with the ice and now they're drowning. Like it just feels like
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all the little people get caught up in this. So let's start with the
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first of these three episodes, the beginning of the war, and this one
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is the start of like flashbacks where we get to find out exactly how the
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relationship with Ace and white Beard shook out. I'm sorry, I'm just seeing
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so many things in the chat that I missed Demian or was it Demian?
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Sorry, no, it was, David Higgins challenged Natasha going forward, exercise
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of your choice when you cry as a result of watching this show. I
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don't know if there was something that you think I should have cried at in
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these three episodes, but I definitely didn't. So I'm feeling like, either
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there's something coming up that you're thinking maybe, but in these three there was
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nothing that even got me close to that point. David says, there is
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such a thing as fishmen. How do they feel about the ice? Another
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good point, you know, and there is a like a correct me if
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I'm wrong, a world where fishmen live that is like under the ice or
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under the I'm saying ice because of this underwater right, but we I don't
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know if it's that. Is that where our friends were headed after getting the
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ship coated. Was that where they were going was to like see the fishmen.
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I feel like I remember this. It feels like ages ago. Now,
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the name of the guy who coated their ships, I can't remember his
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name either, but uh, Fishman Islands is Florian. I really I don't
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know if I said this last time, but they just could have done a
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lot more with that name. I feel like that's just come on, somebody
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really fell asleep on the job. But yeah, So we pick up where
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we had left off with all of these ships just appearing up out of the
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water, having been coated so that they could sneak in and get the drop
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on them. Lots of slow pans across all of these like bonkers looking new
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characters that we have ever seen before. And the the thrust of the situation
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here is that Ace is going to be rescued whether he likes it or not,
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and he truly he does like it. It's not like he has a
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death wish or anything. He wants to be rescued, But what he keeps
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sort of running up against is feeling like it's his own fault that he has
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gotten in this position in the first place. And we get to see some
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of the things that led to all of this. So firstly, he evidently
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like was attempting to prove something going up against white Beard, who was his
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own father's like rival. I don't remember if he says specifically arch enemy.
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I feel like that might be too strong for the relationship that these two had,
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but it is the way that he manages to prove himself enough that white
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Beard is prepared to just like take him on as a crew member, and
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Ace himself is just like, get the fuck out of my face. Do
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you really think I would betray my father that way? Fuck you? And
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it's really funny, you guys. This was something that made me laugh because,
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like, I know, I recognize that the show does not know or
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maybe the way that they have it set up, it is not known ahead
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of time. But in the Hulu version because reminder, on Netflix, I
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never got the interstitials that like pop up. I only have gotten those since
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I started watching on Hulu or on Funnimation. But when when Beard asks Ace
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to join him and holds his hand out, he Ace says like, basically,
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shove it up your ass, you old fart, something like that.
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And he says that, and he's like really fierce, and his voice is
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very passionate about it, and then all of a sudden it goes and it
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goes into the interstitial, and it was just such a complete contrast from this
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like rageful emotional moment to like this silly little thing where we're seeing Nami just
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sort of look slyly at the camera and like, Nam, he's not even
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in this, you know it. Just the whole thing felt like Wow,
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that timing really didn't feel like great guys, but okay, and he has
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to be convinced over the course of time to give the crew a chance.
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He meets a bunch of the way white Beard pirates and he just keeps rejecting
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them and trying to throw himself overboard, and everybody is almost like impressed by
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this. They're sort of like, well, I mean, he's really fucking
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going for it, and he keeps trying over and over again, so he
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must be like determined and a badass, and I have to respect that.
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But eventually he notices that they're calling white Beard Pops, and one of the
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guys he like pulls them aside and it says, why do you call them?
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Why do you call him pops? And this guy's name is Thatch,
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he's a wild hair and he says, well, it's because he calls a
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son and it's just a word, but it feels nice, and I just
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really liked the way that was, you know, just that it feels nice.
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Like that may seem a little bit weak depending on who you are,
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but for me, it really worked and just it feels nice to say a
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thing is just a completely adequate reason to me to continue like doing things in
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that way. So yeah, it's the the Eventually he winds up like joining
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in with the crew, and he has like a few different encounters with other
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pirates that really impress everybody because he is just with his abilities able to take
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care of things with like very little support needed. And I really love the
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fact that everybody is so supportive of him getting second in command, and even
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though it's been open for a long time and there could have been this long
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standing like expectation that a certain person would get it. And we have this
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like weird moment with Teach who is standing there like he's sitting at dinner,
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and Ace is saying, I'm surprised that you're not more upset that I got
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this job, Like wouldn't you have wanted it? And Teach straight up says,
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I have no ambition, I don't want it, so like no problem
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for me at all. Please take the job. It's fine, But you
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know, it's weird to watch how amicable they are in that scene when you
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know how like left everything goes and teach. It turns out they find later
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on a devil fruit and it's that who's like showing it to everybody and saying,
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we don't know what it does yet. And I don't know if it
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was like Thatches property explicitly, or if it was part of like the cruise
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property and Thatch was just guarding it, or what exactly the setup here was.
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It sort of felt in the way that he was displaying it that it
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was his personally. And I'm always really I want to see somebody eat a
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devil fruit for the first time, like actually watch what happens happen, because
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I don't really understand having a devil fruit and not consuming it as soon as
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possible, like you know what they it is to have because everybody wants them
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and how incredibly valuable they are, and it really just feels to me like
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I I would just go for it, because like there have been only two
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or three devil fruit powers. If that that, I kind of thought the
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superpower they got was goofy and not worth it, giraffe man being one of
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them. I mean there's you know, choppers through if it had gone to
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anybody but an animal, and the human human fruit would have just done nothing.
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And now you're not able to swim. I'm trying to think because I
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know that there was another one that I was sort of like, I don't
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know, I feel like that one sucks, but I can't recall, so
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like, I just don't feel like the risk of too big a downside with
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eating the fruit is high enough to like just sort of hoard it. But
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I don't know. Oh, David says, isn't that wonderful? Yeah,
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that's really does give. Like Johnny Bravo vibes with that hair too a little
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bit and he is super uh that Florian says the bugger man. I think
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booger mister five was the one who flickes like incendiary boogers that were tiny bombs.
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See. And the thing is like, I feel like that sucks,
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yes, but it's not the kind of like disability that I worry is going
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to ruin your life. I think it's a weird lame power, but it
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is something that you could live with. And it wouldn't interfere too much with
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just regular day to day life. So I just feel like, mostly it's
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a good idea to just handle the fruit right away and deal with it,
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because like, nothing good comes of just having them. It never works out.
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And sure enough, we don't actually like see the scene, but we
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do see Teach looking at the fruit and getting this sort of evil grin on
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his face, and eventually we see Ace flipping out, and it turns out
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Teach killed Thatch and stole the fruit and disappeared, and this is a really
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and it also I won't get into it too much because it's a totally other
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property and also spoilers, but the scene that follows between Ace and Whitebeard is
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very reminiscent of mage Erin. Also to me, Ace is disgusted, like,
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in his opinion, what Teach did was so low and so vile that
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it is unforgivable, and the idea of letting him get away with it is
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just unthinkable to him, which frankly, I like I understand and ultimately believe
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white Beard was in the right when you've got twenty twenty vision, you know,
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but at the time, just saying to let it go when one of
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your fellow crewmates has been murdered by one of their own and robbed. I
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just you know, I couldn't. I couldn't blame Ace for how upset he
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got. And basically all white Beard can really say to sort of like justify
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why he's insisting that Ace leave alone, is I have a bad feeling about
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this one. He doesn't know anything. He's not speaking on like the level
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of somebody with actual further knowledge. He is has a gut feeling, and
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that is not good enough for Ace, which I can't blame him for that
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not being good enough. I mean, just somebody being like, I don't
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know, I have a bad feeling you should probably just let that guy get
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away with murder and stolen property. I mean, yeah, it doesn't really
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sound like anything, does it. You know? So Ace goes against orders.
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He's explicitely told don't do it, and he do it. He jumps
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over, he grabs like one of their little, you know, their emergency
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escape pods. I say this like they're on a spaceship one of those calleds
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Dinghies lifeboats, I guess. And he takes off for parts unknown to try
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and track Teach down and as he puts it later. If it hadn't been
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for him, like deciding to do what the fuck he felt like and directly
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disobey orders, he would not be sitting here on depth row right now.
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So I will say that I really like appreciate Ace's commitment to responsibility, because
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as much as you could just be like, I don't want to die and
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this is unfair, he doesn't say it's unfair. He's just like, I
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didn't listen to you, and I just did what the fuck I wanted and
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now they caught me, and I'm gonna die, and that's my stupid head
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assphalt. But when you come back into the present, white Beard is having
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none of it, and straight up is like, what do you mean you
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went against orders? Is that true? I gave you the order to go
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and find him? What do you mean? And Ace is like, what
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the fuck are you doing? Man? What? No, you didn't you
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told me not to go, And he's like I don't think so, hey,
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friendoh whose other name? I don't remember? You remember me telling Ace
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to go find teach right? And the other guy's like, yeah, I
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was there. I heard the whole thing he said for you to go and
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track him down and serve justice because nobody fucks with the white Beard Pirates,
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right, And I just love the fact that Ace is like, I cannot
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believe that you guys are deciding to like rewrite history so that you can save
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me. And of course, you know, the because nobody messes with the
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white Beard Pirates transitions straight into that's why they're not gonna mess with you,
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man, That's why we're here because we're gonna save you. And it's a
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really nice like we're just doing what we always do, which is hold shit
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up on our end. And uh, Ace like the taking responsibility he was
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willing to be like I just flouted orders. But white Beard is saying to
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him in response, like, no, it's my responsibility that you've wound up
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here. And I have to say, there is an interesting argument to be
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made here, Like he is changing the narrative by saying I sent you,
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but him was saying like, I am the one who is responsible for you
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being here. Is a much more truthful sentence in a sense, because you
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could see it as I refuse to support your desire for justice, which was
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a fair thing to want, and you felt like you had no choice but
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to go out and seek justice on your own. And I shouldn't have put
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you in the position where it felt as if nobody cared what happened to that
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and that you had to like figure it out all by yourself. And I
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don't know if that's exactly like what he means, but I feel like that's
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what he's saying. Essentially, I made a bad call by telling you just
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to let it go. Like maybe I did have a bad feeling about this
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one. Maybe I did sense that shit was like gonna be more serious than
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you were maybe prepared for. But simply telling somebody who's just lost a friend
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that they're not allowed to pursue the person who took their life isn't really a
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super compassionate move. And it is no surprise that you wound up acting out
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the way that you did. And Ace is just so touched like the fact
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that they have decided they're just gonna play it like this. You can see
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it's really clear that they are resolved, like there's no changing their minds at
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this point. This is what's going to happen. And Ace pretty much sort
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of just like SAgs and it's like, oh my god, Okay, so
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this is what we're doing huh and you know, guys, like last time,
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I can't remember if it was Florian. Somebody asked me in the chat,
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what did I think the deal was going to be with white Beard?
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Like what kind of person did I expect him to be? And I was
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like, I'm wondering if maybe everything that like Ace thought about his being on
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white Beard's crew was true. Like I was wondering if white Beard had ulterior
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motives for taking Ace on, and the fact that Ace's father was like a
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secret. I assumed that he just kept that to himself. But we find
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out that white Beard knew. Ace finally just goes and tells him, and
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he is feeling a lot of guilt because he's worried that as soon as white
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Beard here's who he's related to, that he's gonna be like I can't believe
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I let you on my crew. You're my enemy's son, and I like,
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get the fuck off my ship and or kill him, you know,
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like who knows? And instead white Beard's like, oh, that's your dad.
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Oh if that makes sense actually, but uh yeah, so is there
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anything else? And He's just like, was there anything else? What do
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you mean? Like this is kind of a big deal that I just told
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you, and white Beard's like, is it cause no events? But I
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am not like really caring about it at all. I have a show that
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I was in the middle of it. You sort of came into my room
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like all dramatic and interrupted, and I'm watching my program and if you could
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just let me get back to that, that'd be great. That's like,
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really the energy of that is just sort of like, oh, okay,
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well, thank you for telling me by get lost now. And yeah,
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the fact that like the all the white Beard pirates have this uh, this
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connection where they all call and pops because none of them have family anymore,
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and it's just like this sort of you know, sweet Like I hesitate to
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be like, oh, we're like a big family, because anybody who has
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been in the workforce the past ten years knows that in this workplace, where
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a family is code for everything here is extremely toxic. So I hesitate to
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say that because I feel like, now it's got an entirely different meaning to
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it, but I genuinely mean it in its actual literal sense here where everybody
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does seem to feel we're part of a family, and it has given ace
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a community which is what makes it so sad in a way that he just
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decided to bail and go after Teach. Like I understand why, and it's
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his devotion to his family that has made him go after him in a way.
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But I think it's a really good sort of metaphor for what can happen
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when people seek revenge. And you can call it justice, you can call
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it whatever, but like, really you see the emotion that Ace is working
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with, and it's revenge she's after, you know, And the metaphor of
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like this family that I just said I care so much about, I'm going
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to leave behind and abandoned so I can go after this one person who did
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a bad thing and thus do like not do what any of them asked me
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to do or wanted me to do. And I am striking out on my
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own with no support, just overly fixated on this, like on this achieving
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this end. I feel like that's a pretty good metaphor for revenge. Actually,
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just like, oh, like does it require you to give up on
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things that allegedly matter to you? Does it make you turn your back on
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the thing that you say you're protecting? Is that really where you want to
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be? Putting your energy, you know. So yeah, this this backstory
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I do really enjoy. I also love the fact that, uh that he
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meets Shanks at one point and in the dub Shanks tells him go ahead and
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pop a squat and let's have a chat something like that. He's just Papa
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Squat, and I was just like, oh, man, I do not
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care for Papa Squat. I have heard that one a lot less in the
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past few years, and I like it, and I'm sad that it's coming
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back. So let's see. Trying to make sure that I haven't missed anything
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like in this episode, I don't. I think that's about everything. I
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really appreciated the fact that Ace because my guess about what white Beard was going
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to be like, I was sort of thinking that maybe Ace got got you
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know, and oh my god, guys, I'm so sorry I got distracted.
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I gotta pop up where I can turn on captions. I'm not sure
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if this is like for crowdcasts or what, but I really like the idea
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that I could enable captions on here, and I'm gonna turn that on and
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just see if it works, because that's kind of a neat option, you
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know. But anyway, So my guess about like whether or not he had
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been tricked sort of depended on Ace having not necessarily even bad judgment, but
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simply him getting tricked. It feels a little like it would cheapen everything,
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of course, and it would also make Ace a victim in a way beyond
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just getting grabbed by the Marines the way he has been to begin with.
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And I'm really glad that it turns out white Beard seems like such a solid
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dude. I still have a lot of questions about the series of ivs and
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hoses that we saw that one time, because that just not come up,
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And I don't know why not, Why would you bring it up and then
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just never mention it again. I don't get it. But he is like
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worthy of Ace, because Ace is a good dude who seems to have a
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good heart and want to do the right thing most of the time. And
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it would have been a huge bummer for him to have been almost like preyed
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upon by somebody who misled him and got his loyalty in a false way.
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And I'm really glad that we get to see how resistant Ace was to joining
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up. So he had to like convince Ace and It wasn't even him that
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convinced him. It was the other members of the crew. Which when your
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employees are so happy that they convince somebody who's like on probation to join permanently,
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I feel like that's the best representation you can get. Like your own
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people are trying to sell it to another person, they must be very happy.
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So yeah, I was just really pleased to see like the level of
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the brotherhood between all of them. And also last episode, I had been
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like guessing about whether or not Lufy would give a shit that he and Ace
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weren't related, but I started to realize towards the end of the episode,
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like, wait, he probably must know already that they're not related. I
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don't know why I didn't realize, And sure enough, he just blurts it
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out and tells everybody on the pirate ship who aces, which at this point
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I like, because the secret has been blown over at Navy headquarters anyway,
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and they would just they're just getting caught up to the rest of the group,
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you know. So I really like the fact that Lufy just blurts this
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out and it's like, oh, yeah, that was supposed to be a
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secret. Oops. So I feel like almost all of that that I just
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mentioned is pretty much like the first episode. And Whitebeard his power. So
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he's the one with the tremor tremor fruit, and what he can do is
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start earthquakes basically, And the way that he handles this here is I'm going
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to start an earthquake underwater, and I'm going to create a tsunami. And
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it's sort of like a slow burn. The tsunami strikes like way way later
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because everybody is thinking, he just did an earthquake, a seaquake. I
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think what's his name calls it, And it turns out like he had a
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bigger goal than that, So everybody has to help because once again we're running
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into the uh too many different characters in this series thing where I cannot keep
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people's names straight. In response to the start of this uh this tsunami,
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is it a okejee that freezes the water? I can't remember his name.
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I feel like that's who it was, but I you, guys, I
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wish that there was like a some sort of quick access like with faces,
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just a sort of character map that I could follow, because it's just there
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are so many people and they have so many different powers and some of their
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names can sound really similar to other names. And okay, that is the
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one al Kig, says David. That's how you say alkig. But yeah,
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so he's the one that freezes everything in place, which it results in
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this thing. All of the pirates are just like pouring off the ships and
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onto the ice because they're just like, oh, thank you very much for
34:24
providing us an extremely easy way to get at you, soldier men. We
34:30
will be coming to fight you now. And then later on they're like in
34:35
the middle of this ice flow when it starts to be taken apart basically,
34:42
and the guys have to be like retreat, retreat because they are going to
34:49
fall through the ice. And I was just kind of like, yeah,
34:52
look, if you've got somebody who can create all of this ice out of
34:54
nowhere, you probably don't want to like not only get smug about oh good,
35:01
now we have a way to like walk toward you, but also consider
35:06
the fact that like you're kind of on that person's turf now. And I
35:13
am just gonna say, like I know that it's not exactly bending what he's
35:16
doing, like this is a devil fruit power, but if you are up
35:22
against somebody who's like a water bender. You don't try and fight them in
35:27
a stream, you know, you don't go ahead and like put yourself in
35:31
their territory decidedly, and what do you think is going to happen? So
35:37
the fact that these dudes just like jump off the ship, start to do
35:42
their thing, and then immediately they are like wait, wait, wait,
35:44
get back of the ship, I was like, yeah, that feels like
35:45
you should have figured that out already, you know. So I'm trying to
35:52
see because, like you guys, there is a lot of action in the
35:57
third one of these episodes, and the first of the three has most of
36:02
the flashback stuff, and so even though there's a lot of repetition, it's
36:07
still like pretty compelling. But the middle one is really like recovering a lot
36:15
of the same ground as the first episode. So I'm trying to make sure
36:20
that I'm like covering everything. But as i'm what I do is I have
36:22
the episode playing on the background and I like just let it play through,
36:27
or I'll move the cursor around to jump to different scenes. And I kept
36:31
thinking that I was like in the wrong spot because I keep seeing duplicate scenes
36:38
from the first of the three episodes, and it's like, no, they
36:43
just replayed that entire scene in episode two. So all of this is,
36:54
let's see, what's the name of the guy with the yellow hair that like
36:59
sticks out in every direction who now seems to be white Beard's right hand Marco?
37:06
Is that him? I'm trying to see, like if they say their
37:12
names here, but Marco says Florine, Okay, cool. Yeah. The
37:17
second has a lot of repeats. Yeah. I'm looking through it and I'm
37:21
just kind of like, when does that? Because you know, the the
37:24
fighting, and I hesitate to even call it that because it's just like turning
37:30
whole swaths of ocean into ice or tsunamis. That doesn't feel like it deserves
37:35
the name of fight. That doesn't feel like an accurate, adequate description of
37:42
what's happening here. But I this, uh like the way that this episode
37:52
goes is basically just a starting to be like they like me, they really
37:57
like me, and they're gonna have my back. Before we cut over to
38:00
Loofy, who all of a sudden their ship starts being pulled backward and nobody
38:07
can figure out why it's happening. I have to assume that it has something
38:14
to do with baby Oars, I feel like, is what Ace calls him.
38:22
But at this point we don't know about him. So everybody is just
38:25
like, oh my god, what is going on, Like there's no reason
38:30
for the ocean to act like this, and they are at like the crew
38:36
members are asking Buggy like, but you said it was faded that you were
38:40
going to be King of the Pirates, So if you can't figure out how
38:44
to fix this, then how can that be true? And I really love
38:49
the nature of this. It got me like thinking about how like cults of
38:54
personality work and the fact that you have got guys there that are arguing like,
39:06
well, I guess he's just giving up because Buggy doesn't have an answer
39:09
for them. So he says something like I guess I just have to wait
39:15
for a miracle. Eventually one will happen, and some of those guys take
39:19
it as a admission of just I guess I maybe was wrong or lack of
39:30
faith. I think saying I'm sure a miracle will happen is actually a demonstration
39:37
of faith, and that is what one of the other guys chimes in with.
39:40
It's like, you guys think he's giving up, that's just confidence.
39:44
He knows that something is going to go right that you know, and I
39:50
love Off to the side, mister three is just kind of watching all of
39:53
this like you guys know, like when the guy said it's confidence and he's
40:00
like, no, it's not. And eventually that dude has convinced everybody else
40:06
and so they just start cheering buggy On wildly, and dudes like this is
40:10
really I hate watching this. Oh my god, what the fuck? And
40:15
yeah, this is something that is so weird and really, like I think
40:22
any of us potentially could fall for this, the idea of like, I
40:30
am going to give the person that I really like and admire every benefit of
40:37
the doubt and create whole narratives that excuse whatever it is that they're doing or
40:44
whatever fuck up they just made in like not just a well you know everybody
40:50
makes mistakes. No, no, no, it's never just like, oh,
40:53
sometimes people fuck up. It's always this is part of a bigger game.
41:00
The one that Rashon cites all the time that makes her crazy is he's
41:07
playing chess. You're playing checkers. And that is like, for me,
41:12
the giveaway if somebody says that he's playing chess and you're playing checkers. They
41:17
are trying to spin a narrative where what exactly it looks like is happening isn't
41:24
happening because that's too easy and obvious, and you are so dumb that you
41:30
felt for it. And this is like the discourse where she and I really
41:37
got into it talking about the meaning behind people saying this was right around when
41:43
fucking Kanye Wests like was clearly going through a manic episode and just starting to
41:51
low key like stock him and say shit that was like wildly anti semitic and
41:59
really like conspiracy theory stuff. And there were so many people out there who
42:05
just didn't want for Kanye to be having a very simple, like mental illness
42:13
episode that a lot of other people also deal with and can recognize. They
42:16
didn't want him to suffer from this, so they turned it into like there
42:23
are hidden messages here, or he is uh, or he's just like right,
42:30
or he's got inside information because of how like high up the social food
42:35
chain he is that he knows people and knows things we don't know. Like
42:39
the whole way that went was everybody who like knows what these sorts of episodes
42:47
looks like going, guys, come on, clearly, it's fucking textbook.
42:52
And then his like die hard fans coming up with these elaborate explanations that are
43:00
pulled completely out of their ass, and you know the same thing with like
43:05
an Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate got caught trafficking women. It's a very like
43:14
clear right, but he did this thing where he has this like weird little
43:22
army of creepy misogynists who are just like, oh, he's exactly where he
43:28
wants to be. He wasn't tracking or trafficking women. He got set up,
43:34
like you know, just all of these scenarios that they have invented,
43:40
completely invented in order to make somebody look like it's all part of their big
43:45
plan. And it's because they want to believe that somebody has shit under control.
43:52
They want to believe that there is a person who is an authority figure
43:58
they can turn to. And it's understandable. I think a lot of us
44:04
take comfort in the like the sort of notion that there is a person in
44:09
charge who knows what's going on and what to do in any given scenario.
44:15
But we just will fall into this trap where we forget everybody's a person,
44:22
and we want somebody to be a thing for us. It's not about that
44:28
person anymore. It becomes them being a symbol. And so you reach this
44:34
point where either you have to like come to terms with the fact that they
44:37
are not a symbol, they are a full person and you have got to
44:43
find what you're seeking from them elsewhere, or you have to disconnect from them
44:49
as a person and hold yourself back. And this is actually what I think
44:52
Beyonce has done, like amazingly well in terms of her branding, is that
44:58
she has figured out how to hold herself apart in terms of her exposure in
45:04
the media, so that she isn't all over social media. She does she
45:08
like posts on Instagram pretty consistently, but she doesn't come out here tweeting her
45:15
like fucking cold takes. She drops info when she's about to go on tour
45:23
or release an album, and then she shows up to the gala looking unbelievable,
45:30
and she performs an amazing show, and then she goes into hibernation mode
45:36
and nobody can find her and nobody knows what she's doing or where she is.
45:40
And honestly, that is the kind of behavior that's like hyper curated that
45:47
I feel like she is making herself into a symbol and she knows that's what
45:52
she's doing, and she's being very careful about it because she doesn't want to
45:54
be messy. She doesn't want her whole like ass hanging out on the internet
45:59
while everybody watches her have like a nervous breakdown. You know, she's just
46:04
really really private. But it also dovetails well with the brand she's set up
46:08
for herself. So what I'm saying in all of this is that Buggies people
46:14
are in a cult of personality. It's really fascinating to watch from the sidelines
46:17
as he like very openly in my opinion, and Mitzi doesn't know what the
46:23
fuck is going on, and the guys keep trying to act like him,
46:28
admitting that is somehow proof that he's like a better, more capable person than
46:37
all of them. They bend themselves over backwards to make excuses, and it
46:45
ultimately does seem to work out because he is just here like on this ship,
46:52
like laying down staring up at the clouds, going, I mean,
46:54
I guess there has to be another miracle at some point, Like I can't
46:58
do anything so I'm just gonna wait it out. And then you see this
47:02
like huge uh shape shadow I guess, cross over him, and this is
47:13
when you see baby Ores come out. Now I'm getting all of this like
47:16
frustrating interference on Hulu trying to like jump around because the uh all Consuming Inferno
47:27
I'm trying to like jump to that episode, and I cannot get Hulu to
47:31
work. What is the name of the person who does the all Consuming Inferno?
47:37
And this guy is the one that I think, uh, Florian you
47:40
told me is based on like a martial arts star or something like his appearances.
47:47
So yeah, this uh, this dude like there's a fight between him,
47:53
and this is sort of oh my god, you guys, I just
47:58
noticed the fucking uh Because we have Toby and Helmepa off to the side at
48:07
one point and they're kind of having like a freak out about whether they're going
48:10
to be able to do anything because the scale of the fight here and what
48:15
everybody is capable of is just completely dwarfs anything that they are able to do,
48:21
so they're debating whether they even want to get involved. And I had
48:25
not noticed that guy with the heart shaped shades is here, and I can't
48:32
remember his name, y'all, but I really enjoy this dude, and I
48:36
wish that he would show up more because he is a good time Florian,
48:42
says a Kainu. Okay, right, so his name is in the title.
48:49
Bucky is a demagogue. I hadn't thought of this. This is the
48:52
gap between him and Loofy. Bucky secretly has the luck Luck fruit, not
48:57
the chop chop fruit. I like that idea, the luck look fruit.
49:04
You guys. I know that I've asked this before, and once again,
49:08
I know that it's probably loaded with spoilers and you can't do it. But
49:12
if anybody has like a spreadsheet of all of the different devil fruits that have
49:15
been we have come across so far, the characters who have had them,
49:21
what the fruit is called, and what it does, I really just want
49:24
to peruse it. I want to see broken down in those basic terms,
49:30
what we're working with here, because it's just there are so many and the
49:35
names and everything are always so weird. So see, I'm trying to see
49:45
if there's anything that I missed in this one. Nope, that's about it.
49:51
So I feel like the name of the ship being Moby dick, I
49:55
feel like should mean more than I'm getting. I don't know if that's significant
50:00
at all, because it's it's modeled to look like a whale. It's got
50:04
like that front hull has the uh sort of striping on it that the bottom
50:09
jaw of a whale has. So let's see. Oh that's right. So
50:17
these dudes that go up against each other, we've got, uh the guy
50:23
who's like a strong man, and he manages to like cut a huge piece
50:30
of the ice out and lift it and like chuck it at the Marines.
50:36
And I don't know, I don't remember, guys, is this somebody who
50:38
is part of the Whitebeard pirates or is this guy like an independent contractor somebody
50:45
like separate from them? And he throws it, but then it gets I
50:52
think it's a Kaynu who intercepts it and keeps it from crushing All of the
50:58
poor Marines who buy the way are yelling about how it's going to crush them
51:02
while standing completely still. I will never be like, I will never not
51:07
be entertained by that when people are like, oh my god, it's coming
51:12
for us, and they stand stock still and just let it happen. But
51:19
we also get a little check in with a smoker, and what's the name
51:24
of the girl who's the really good sword fighter? You guys, I really
51:31
expected there to be more to her, that we were gonna like encounter her
51:37
again, there would be a whole thing. It is wild to me that
51:43
we met her so long ago and pretty much nothing ever happened with that.
51:49
You know, she runs into Zorro, who thinks that she looks exactly like
51:52
the girl who died that he used to train with, and I just felt
51:55
like we were getting something significant set up and then nothing. And I don't
52:02
know, like maybe she's meant to be like that girl's sister and that's why
52:06
they look so alike, or maybe it's that she faked her own death and
52:10
that is the girl, but she had an injury that caused her to have
52:15
to wear glasses and so now she just like doesn't have great eyesight anymore or
52:20
whatever. I don't know, But when she showed up here, I was
52:23
almost like, don't do that. Don't show me this girl that I was
52:27
like kind of hype about and you did nothing with because it just feels like
52:30
a tease. Joe Zu he belongs to white Beard. He ate the diamond
52:38
diamond fruit. Oh that's right, Yes, I forgot about that, okay,
52:45
and he looked crazy. That was the other thing actually about these three
52:50
episodes was I felt like, overall the animation was really poor in comparison to
52:57
what I've sort of gotten used to. We had way more still frames with
53:02
the camera moving than usual. It was a lot less of our actual characters
53:08
moving than I was used to. David says really good sword fighter in quotes
53:14
with a laugh face. Why are you laughing? Wasn't she just a really
53:17
good sword fighter? What do you mean? Why? What should I have
53:22
said? I don't I don't know what I did wrong? Help? But
53:27
anyway, So yeah, there's like, basically the whole gang is here,
53:30
so almost everybody that we've ever seen in our lives is mixed into this whole
53:37
conflict here. But what I really was sort of like getting to was the
53:44
fact that there are so many different, like new people here on top of
53:51
all of these older characters that we haven't seen in a while. I don't
53:57
know, like how I am going to keep these people straight. I genuinely
54:04
feel like it's going to be frustrating for people to listen to if they know
54:08
the characters really well, they will be able to tell by the description I
54:13
give of what they look like. But if they don't, I am worried
54:17
that it's going to be impossible for people to follow because I'm just like,
54:22
you know, the guy with the hat talk to the other guy who has
54:25
that weird beard, and I really wish that I could get everybody's names,
54:30
But it feels like just as soon as I start to remember, we switch
54:36
settings and there's a whole new cast that I've got to get used to,
54:38
we don't see the cast that I started to get a hold of for like
54:43
a year, and then they pop back up again and I'm expected to just
54:45
pick it up again, and I can't do it. It's just I feel
54:50
like I need something to help me, some sort of cheat sheet. I
54:54
don't know what, but anyway, so that like that fight and then the
55:04
uh, what is it that? The the inferno power that he has?
55:10
I'm trying to find this do what is it? Says Gura? The gura
55:20
gura no means ability. Remind me, kids, what's that? The gura
55:25
gura no means am I in the wrong? No, that's the right section.
55:30
Oh, there's a bunch of chats all right, guys. Uh.
55:34
David says, low quality animation means high quality is coming. That does tend
55:38
to be the rule, and I'm trying to keep that in mind. But
55:43
it is really like the combination of there being people with fantastic power, the
55:50
likes of which we've never seen, but then kind of lackluster animation means that
55:55
I wish it hit a little harder than it does. You know. Florian
56:01
says she is, but mostly she gets compared to Zorro and there she ain't
56:06
that good, but Zorro is just on a different level. Yeah, and
56:08
like she's good against like the soldiers and stuff that try to put her down
56:14
in the street. I feel like she took care of a bunch of guys.
56:19
Zoro fangirl who is in denial of being a fangirl is she? I
56:23
don't remember that, but I believe you. Marco he ate the Phoenix Phoenix
56:30
fruit a mystical zoan type right right right right, and his like basically he
56:37
can just heal. Here goes a power that feels really opie, where it's
56:45
just you can do damage to me and I'll take that damage, but it
56:50
won't matter damn like that feels ideal, you know, and the whole this
57:05
scene of like jumping from one person to another and seeing all of them reacting.
57:09
There is something really funny about Kobe and how MEPO being included in that
57:16
group, because we keep seeing dudes who are like incredibly powerful and are just
57:24
you know, they are impressed, and so we know, if this dude
57:29
who is capable of such dramatic shit is impressed, then that means this is
57:35
a big deal. But when it's just how MEPO and Kobe being impressed,
57:40
I mean, they're just like infants, you know. I'm I don't feel
57:47
like I care about their opinion in this moment. It's just not super relevant
57:52
to me, you know what I'm saying. So anyway, I'm kind of
58:01
coming to the end of my time here. But the all Consuming Inferno ends
58:08
with the appearance of this giant who is so like he can walk on the
58:15
ocean floor and it comes up to like not even hip level. It's he
58:22
is insanely big, and I was looking at him and I was thinking,
58:27
like, what have we seen a creature this size before? And then Ace
58:31
calls him like baby oars and I was like, oh, Oars, right,
58:36
but I feel like I did. I keep sort of mistakenly thinking that
58:42
Oars was created from parts by Maria, and he wasn't. He was just
58:47
like a really lucky find as a corpse, but he was, you know,
58:53
a living thing all on his own at one point. So now we've
58:59
got this new baby Oars who shows up and he has these long eyelashes and
59:06
he yells at everybody because I think that, like the Marines might have mistakenly
59:13
thought this dude was coming to help them out. I'm not really sure what
59:19
they expected, but to me, the expressions they had on their faces when
59:23
they saw him, it didn't feel like they were afraid enough. And I
59:28
was sort of like, is this there, dude? But then Baby Oars
59:34
basically yells, that's my friend Ace, and you're not gonna screw with him,
59:38
leave him alone, and that's how the episode ends, and you know
59:43
all, I really really cannot wait to see more of this guy, because
59:47
I enjoyed Oars a lot as a character, even though he was technically loofy.
59:53
And this giant monster who dwarfs likeultiple ships can sail around him and they
1:00:01
won't compare in size not even in the slightest I can't wait to see what
1:00:07
happens with this guy and what his like. There has to be something that
1:00:13
he can do beyond just be gigantic. Maybe not. I mean, I
1:00:17
guess that's enough of an advantage, but anyway, I'm just wondering if he
1:00:22
has any other tricks up his sleeve as well. So I'm gonna wrap this
1:00:28
one up. But I feel like, you know, guys, I get
1:00:31
this sometimes where there is a sensation that I have left something out, and
1:00:37
because I'm having so much trouble bouncing around within the episode on Hulu, it's
1:00:42
hard for me to like double check anything. Is anybody in the chat?
1:00:45
Feeling like I wanted her to talk about X y Z and she hasn't even
1:00:49
mentioned it. Because I'm sorry, these are kind of frantic episodes. It's
1:00:52
sort of the fact that all the whole gang is here means that everybody gets
1:01:00
jumped to with the camera multiple times, which means that there isn't the same
1:01:06
sense of like narrative cohesion because you have to like leap around to all of
1:01:14
these various parties that are involved. But there aren't just two sides to this.
1:01:21
There are multiple sides. Really it could you could be you could break
1:01:24
it down to two sides, the Marines and then the white Beard people.
1:01:29
But it's a lot more than that in terms of like the factors. So
1:01:34
it can get a little like difficult to talk about because things don't follow the
1:01:40
narrative structure that I'm used to with the way these guys fight. David says
1:01:47
white Beard being a gas lighter, I mean, I did. I talked
1:01:51
about that, right, and the fact that he is just like, now
1:01:53
I'm taking responsibility for which I'm I'm here for. Florian says, maybe what
1:01:59
you think about the lava flout the lava power, it's really cool looking.
1:02:07
I love the fact that at one point white Beard looks up and is like,
1:02:09
that's really bright. Can you tone it down? I think he might
1:02:12
have been saying that to Marco though actually the Phoenix. But I I will
1:02:20
be honest with you, guys, I get a little bit bored of like
1:02:24
fire related powers. There's just something about them that I'm I'm like, I
1:02:31
don't know, we've done this yan, you know what I mean. So
1:02:35
it's like I can understand that this is super impressive and something to be afraid
1:02:40
of but it's not as fun and creative as some of the other powers,
1:02:46
So it just, you know, I kind of especially considering this dude is
1:02:52
like so distinctive looking, I kind of wanted his power to be something equally
1:02:57
as distinctive, and I don't know what it would have been. But uh,
1:03:01
Florian says, I feel you feel the same about swords, which I
1:03:05
said before, Yeah I remember you, and yeah, yeah exactly. David
1:03:09
says, they never really do damage, and that's that's the tough thing just
1:03:14
in general about the show is that a lot of people don't really do damage,
1:03:16
you know, like we're told that they do, but then people just
1:03:20
get up and walk away, so it's hard to take it seriously. But
1:03:24
yeah, especially what I want actually is a check in with our friend Crocodile
1:03:30
as well too. We haven't seen him too much. We've been mostly when
1:03:35
we're on the ship with Loofy. It's JIMBEI, Loofy, and Buggy that
1:03:38
we see and kind of wondering what Crocodile is thinking about all of this.
1:03:45
But anyway, okay, I gotta wrap up. Thank you guys again for
1:03:49
hanging out with me. I really appreciate you. And your patients until next
1:03:52
time to Loo motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled network pat