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Talks to Dylan Rees & Luke Molloy about their choice of The Power of Kroll (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Well, count me in then, bitches. All right, you come 321.
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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker.
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  Quicker Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt bun.
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  Nail Boo. Fuck you.
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  It's me, Dylan, back for more crawler lulling with my pal Joe
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  Ford. Joe Ford, welcome to your own
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  podcast. Oh, we ain't powers no more
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  taking a piss out of me like that.
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  And everyone's favorite guest, Luke Kroloy.
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  Hello. ROM ROM ROM.
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  In. He's he's otherwise known as ROM
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  slut. ROM slut he's known as.
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  So did we have a wonderful time with episode 1?
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  And are we feeling like this story is going to continue to be
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  a bit of a belter? 1 is great, 1 is great.
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  We land on a, on a, on a dangerous world.
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  Like an actually dangerous world.
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  Yeah, I mean the the the environment itself is quite
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  dangerous. Slip and break your neck.
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  That's what sticks in your head is that you need a hovercraft to
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  get around safely. How often, how often do we go
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  out on location and it actually feels like another world?
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  I think it's this planet of fire maybe mind warp.
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  No planet fire does. What are you talking about?
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  Planet fireworks. The problem is that you see the
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  same place as an earth location beforehand.
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  It'd be like and kill the moon if they set it the first half in
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  Lanzarote and then went to the moon.
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  Maybe survival as well. There's only a handful though,
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  isn't there? Yeah, in the in survival and
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  greatest show where they've started to paint in the sky, I
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  think, you know, it feels a bit more alien manscape.
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  So yeah, I'm, I'm impressed. There is actually Dylan quite
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  close to me. You know, there is a sort of
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  marshy booky area that looks a bit like this.
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  Next time you come down, we'll go down there and we'll play
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  power Crawl. All right, excellent.
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  You unleash your great creature. So I know I keep going on about
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  like the Bog, but but like we should go to Boggs more because.
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  I have no trouble with that. We we just should they're
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  they're a real like they're actually an exciting place for
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  Doctor Who to go, I think. And this is the only thing still
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  exist. This is this our next location.
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  Can you look? Can you?
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  Can you Google this during the episode?
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  Let's get going and I'll, I'll, I'll find out if it still exists
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  and we can all go. And I mean, I imagine you can't
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  get into it if it does. We.
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  Can. Yeah, exactly 4 men were found
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  dead in in a marsh. I could literally get in
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  anywhere anyway in 321 and we go, oh, I mean, I didn't ask the
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  obvious question last time, but obviously the Tom Baker titles
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  banger. Oh, Dylan, no.
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  I, I have, I have problems with them, largely nostalgic problems
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  that I loved the McCoy titles. And then when I first this, this
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  was the first title saw sequence I saw that wasn't the McCoy
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  title sequence. And I didn't know there was
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  different titles, different music or different doctors at
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  the time. So it was, it was quite a, quite
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  a moment for me. And I just, I don't like that
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  the vortex is the same shape as the logo.
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  I hate the diamond logo. So I I I like the the the
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  tunnel. Do you hate the diamond logo
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  because of recent? Yeah.
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  So no, I've always hated it. I think people like it for
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  nostalgic reasons, but I think it's a terrible bit of design
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  that. Looks, you know, have you
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  noticed since they've started putting that diamond logo on,
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  cover's a big finisher. Nothing aligns properly anymore.
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  It's not a good bit of design. No, the covers look a bit wonky
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  now. What about you there, Luke?
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  Yeah, I like it. It's not an absolute favorite,
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  but you want to sit down to watch the Tom Baker.
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  You press play and it starts playing.
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  It does. You do get a bit like, Oh yeah,
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  yeah. Which you don't always get from
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  doctor openings. No.
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  Oh, sorry, I've just bewitched. So there's that bit there where
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  he just pushes the reeds aside, looking very cool.
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  I love him. So I mean the actual like
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  creature is a bit macro, isn't it the thing that Mary times
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  been? A tiny macro.
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  Yeah, a little. Do you?
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  Remember what the doctor says. Worry.
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  Probably a little more convincing from the front.
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  What the hell? Yeah, I mean, it does undermine
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  Romano a bit that she's absolutely screaming at this,
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  and then the camera turns out and you see what it is.
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  You gotta remember that when she turned up in Rebus, she she
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  wasn't used to the horrors of the universe, was she?
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  She's a little bit naive. I don't know if if Lala Ward,
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  she would have, you know, just kicked it in the nuts or
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  something. Oh yeah, Actually, look, you've
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  got a boy. You've got a boy like a big
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  mushroom crab thing. It's.
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  Not it's not ideal is. It he just takes that.
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  He literally needs him in the balls as well.
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  What actually? Going to do to her.
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  Wow. I mean, Dylan, back in the day,
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  you know, religions did sacrifice people for no reason
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  whatsoever. Yeah.
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  But I think the question is how is it going to sacrifice it?
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  Because it's just doing this. It's just, yeah, it's.
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  Got How do we know it was going to sacrifice, Sir?
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  Maybe he was. Going to because listen this
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  this is a common thing you. Think we could have got part
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  time part swampy? Wow.
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  What a sexy green bitch that would that would have been.
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  Those green those green women in Star Trek.
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  Look at that, you would not have knives being thrown about in
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  Doctor Who anymore, would you? Well, I don't get anything in
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  Doctor Who these days, do we? It's all woke nonsense.
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  Gay romances and oh, please, of course, John.
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  Look, he's still sitting at this dismal console.
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  Just sit. So he's doing.
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  His best, I know everybody knows this, but I think it is funny
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  that they went well, we've got him under contract, we might as
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  well cast. He's thinking brilliant day off.
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  I have a few weeks off paid and they're like, no, you've got to,
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  you've got to come in the studio and do this performance instead.
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  I mean, take your smug ass commentator hat off for a
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  second. Put your producer's hat on.
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  If you had it now and somebody was under contract, wouldn't you
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  do it? You, you wouldn't get away with
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  it with equity. Equity.
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  Equity, equity, equity. Have you ever met him?
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  John Leeson, yeah. He's so lovely.
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  He's what? I bought him a drink.
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  I bought him a drink and he went.
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  Thank you, master. That was our one interaction.
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  He's got a scoop, He's got a scoop.
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  No, no, no, no. So I met him when I was a young
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  boy and he saw at the launch of Downtime at Penoxicon 1995, Luke
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  and he. Signed.
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  He signed my VHS of downtime, but there was a Reddit about him
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  about 10 years ago, which perhaps implied that he was a
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  man who saw opportunities within fandom that with younger fans.
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  Not not below an age, but basically that he was a bit of a
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  creep. I mean, I certainly don't
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  endorse it, but it was all the rage at that time.
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  It's he. Was a dog.
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  That's what he's saying. No, I'm talking about recently
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  like. Oh wow.
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  I don't know whether it's true. The internet's full of shit.
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  Should have got him another drink.
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  Joe Yeah. So if you're listening John
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  Leeson write in if you're a nonce.
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  Yeah. Could you just confirm or deny
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  the scandal? There's just been.
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  I'm getting sued aren't I? By John Leeson.
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  No, I don't know, it was. It was something that appeared
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  on the Internet and then disappeared.
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  I've not heard anything since, so perhaps it was all bollocks.
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  I've I've never been, he's never been at a convention I've been
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  to. He he does tell like the same
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  stories. I've seen him three or four
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  times. He's one of those Katie
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  Manning's that just tells the same stories every time.
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  But he's kind of charming and he tells funny stories about being,
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  you know, the war bungle from Rainbow.
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  And and he's sort of non Doctor Who stuff as well because he's
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  worked around Doctor Who. But I wouldn't say, you know, Oh
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  my God, I've got to go and see John Leeson.
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  Well. Constituent.
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  He's he's, you know, been in loads of big finished.
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  He's never brought him back. His doggy?
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  Nothing shocking. Oversight.
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  There, it's actually the sort of thing that they would do that.
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  I imagine that now, after this goes out, someone will be
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  listening to you, Luke, and they'll be like, oh, and you'll
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  see it a week later. What Duggeen returns?
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  The weird, the weird, the weird. He's fun.
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  And me would be like, Oh yeah, I've gotta get that.
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  It's weird. Who else?
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  Who else in the world would know what John Leeson coming back as
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  Dougie would mean? I mean, what do you imagine?
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  OK, we're making a joke about digging.
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  What is the most obscure thing that Big Finish could bring back
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  and make a splash of? Crawl a bit as crawler.
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  Come on. Well, I mean why is he going to
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  work on audio? You can make anything.
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  Oh wait, they do. The weeping.
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  Some of those are pretty good though, you know.
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  I know. Yeah, actually quite a lot,
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  though we've mentioned once a good.
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  These weren't better. You can't see them.
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  Right. Where are we?
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  It doesn't look like Kroll shows up in any spin off material.
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  There is a commentary here on on the false, the falsities of
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  religion, because they see the holy text and the doctor
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  realises, you know, it's not a real religious text.
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  And what's the fella's name? Who's in charge of the swamp
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  piece? I've forgotten already.
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  No, he's not in charge. Oh.
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  I don't know the swamp piece, John.
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  John. John Abeline.
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  'S character. But the idea of that crawl, I'll
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  give up. No, go on, go on.
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  There is an anti religion stance here.
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  Yeah, I think. And I think especially when
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  there is incontroversable proof that Crow is not a God and John
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  Abenari is still there prostrating in front of this
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  fucking limp tentacle going, oh, Crow, mighty Crow.
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  And then he's murdered horribly. He's he's saying something about
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  religion. It's definitely saying it is
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  definitely doing that. I mean it's.
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  Just not good Gender again, isn't.
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  It it's just not like even bothering to go into it though,
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  is it? It very much it's just a nuts
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  and bolts doctor story and that is part of it rather than let's
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  let's investigate this anti religious stamps.
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  So now like. Being an extremist of religion
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  can can take you to do crazy things.
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  It's very much. It would be brought right to the
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  fore, wouldn't it? Like Don Bubble or something
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  like that? It would be right in your face,
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  yeah. At the fore of this is just
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  naked green people shout and crawl.
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  No, it's a massive mother style. I mean, that was the brief,
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  right? That was the brief he Robert
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  Holmes got. We want the biggest monster
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  we've ever had in Doctor. Who?
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  And I think it's a great brief. I mean, what you're saying about
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  Tom Baker on the commentary going, Oh, my brain does do
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  that, but it does just just go like, whoa.
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  I'll do the impression when he turns out it's just wonderful
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  he. Does like we've done big
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  monsters before and they've generally been shit, but I think
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  OK, there's there's a fringing issue at the bottom.
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  But that aside though, Dylan, that aside, it's, I mean, it's
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  strong film, isn't it as well? So it it, it feels like it's it
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  suits the location. I think that fringing thing is
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  blowing well out of. Performance.
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  Yeah, me too. When I watched it as a kid, I
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  didn't, I did not have any idea. And even when I look at it now,
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  I'm like, OK, I can see what you're on about, but it didn't
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  Take Me Out of it at all. I bet you they'll they'll scrub
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  it out though for the Blu-ray. I bet this this one will get
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  there just. I get the CGI treatment all
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  around. Oh yeah, you know, I know if
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  they, if they CGI crawl, I'm fucking having a word.
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  It's not when you did the Invisible Enemy.
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  And yeah, there are shoddy bits of the Invisible Enemy, but it's
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  not the fucking model work. The most effects heavy story
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  this season is the Armageddon Factory.
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  If anything's getting the CGI, think it'll be that it's.
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  Not going to make it better though is it?
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  I love the Armageddon. You leave it alone.
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  I've again, I've not seen it for so many years.
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  Me neither, I always stop after crawl I'm.
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  Doing I got I think I stuck because canine goes and blows.
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  Oh no, it goes on that conveyor belt.
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  It goes into my phone. It's like Toy Story free, Yeah.
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  And then and that's like Part 2. And after that I'm just like,
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  what's the point? Canine's dead.
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  It does contain the line. There'll be nothing left but
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  slag and clinker. Like this podcast?
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  Yeah. Yeah, when were the last Doctor
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  Who podcast going? That's right, there'll be
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  nothing left but slags. Yes, although Canine does go
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  evil in the Armageddon. Fact doesn't remember at the
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  end. And then and then he goes good
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  again. But then he has to ham it up
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  pretending to be evil. Gang the doctor and the They
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  have been killed. Because the other the other bit
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  remember is them endless repeating time loops of just
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  like an empty room or that spaceship.
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  Fire. Yeah, that is goes on forever.
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  Anyway, we're going, we've got off topic because John Leeson is
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  just looking at contour lines on a screen.
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  Again, this is not exciting. Is.
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  It whenever the plot stalls, we can always just talk about the
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  rest of the season, you know? Exactly.
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  What's your what's your favorite coat in the season?
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  Is it this one the back and coat?
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  Favorite coat? Oh, Tom Baker coat, you mean?
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  Yeah, this one I don't. How do you feel about Tom's long
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  coats in Santara and Experiment? I love that.
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  Yeah, that's cool. But I like Matt Smiths long
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  green one in closing time. Like I quite like the long
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  freak. Fuck off.
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  What's your favorite big giant monster you know?
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  My penis. I mean, I quite like the Erato,
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  the Typhonian ambassador and creature from the pier as well.
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  That's not, and this is what I think Dylan was getting,
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  although that's big, but it's not the giant monster and Doctor
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  Who was. This does feel like a giant
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  fucking monster. If you look really carefully,
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  he's got like these sort of Bony things that move around his
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  mouth. He's great.
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  It feels building size, doesn't it?
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  Yeah, And you just don't get that they.
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  They failed in invasion of the dinosaurs to to to quite get
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  that scale and those those monsters to look realistic in
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  inverted commas. Well, and with the Scarasan, I'd
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  say as well Scarasan. Scarasan.
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  That's the one. Do you hear what they've done
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  with that for the Blu-ray? Oh.
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  They CGI. Disc no.
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  They've refilmed it with modern day stop animation and then
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  they're inserting that in as like a special feature.
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  That that's a tester for invasion of the dinosaurs.
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  That's cool because. That's the no one wants CGI
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  dinosaurs but better stop motion would be an absolute win.
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  They're running out. But the Scarisan is very much
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  like the Marianne conspiracy isn't.
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  It look out of all of us that say things wrong, it's Joe Ford
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  that says things. He couldn't even say Quark
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  right. Excuse me, it's my avrar who
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  says everything wrong. Have you not heard on?
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  I think did you start this, this like thing of people saying
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  Eric's award? Yeah.
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  Like, is that me? Yeah, I think that was you.
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  Mikey Smith picked up on this. He was like, why is everyone
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  saying Eric's award on podcast these days?
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  I was like, I think it was Joe. Ford.
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  All I know is yeah, is that every time Dylan says Mariah,
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  Mark comes in his knickers like he just laughs his head.
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  It's. Saywood rhymes with wayward
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  because. That's on every on every old
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  like behind the scenes documentary.
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  It's Saywood. But because of you, Joe Ford,
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  everyone says some word though I'm.
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  Sorry, I'm so sorry people listen to this thing.
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  I do apologise. So I love this bit where the
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  ball the all the guns blow up in his face when he tries to take
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  him out. I can't do a lot of location
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  work. I love that they've covered the
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  canoes in branches as well to make it look like they've been
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  fashioned. I mean, they must have had the
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  best time in that. He loves his fashion.
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  Mode he does. So the the locations are still
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  there. It's the molting Snape in
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  Suffolk. Oh my God.
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  I can. Cliff, sorry.
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  That enormous fucking tentacle just came out.
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  Whoa. OK, I'll do.
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  Tom Baker. Oh, yes, yes.
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  It's like he's having sex. It's great.
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  Don't tell me that that looks bad.
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  I think it looks. Amazing, look at his mouth.
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  Oh, I'd love to get a sock job by him.
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  She's amazing. Or actually, do you know what?
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  Do you know what I have seen? Some porn.
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  You know, of tentacles going up people.
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  Well, there's a possibility, that's all.
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  I'm going to say was it? Was it Boo cake?
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  My education continues. If you if you really want a
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  crawl sex toy, I'm sure someone could make one for you.
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  Good point, Tucker, a call. Is there a crawl?
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  Is there a crawl toy? No, no, they missed the boat on
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  that. I think, I think because of the
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  way the action figure market is anything like that, it's just
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  not viable. They couldn't even sell a MEEP.
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  Well, no, but they did the trashing and all of that back in
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  the time. Why didn't they do?
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  It then that was when those things sold by the fucking shit
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  load. It could.
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  Literally, you know, as the tentacles sort of go down and
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  up, it could sit on its tentacles.
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  It would when the Ragnos came out, that would have been the
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  time because that was, that was a real big look at.
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  That Crowl versus the Ragnos. Big finish.
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  Now we're Dougie. Don't give them ideas.
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  Please, a new badges on the 4th Doctor's coat.
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  Let's go. Oh boy, oh boy.
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  Anyway, did you just did you determine that the best giant
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  monster is Crow? Yeah, I.
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  Can't think of another one, yeah.
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  Otherwise, if we're just talking slightly large, I'm a big fan of
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  the girl. Do you not like that big spidery
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  thing on Vortis? The animals.
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  It's not a monster though, is it?
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  Smell like it? Didn't try and meet anything
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  enormous. Well, it says.
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  Child maintenance. We couldn't.
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  Say that fury from the deepest like stuff coming out the sea
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  isn't it? I mean this is similar ish to
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  fury from the deep but the interior sets feel quite similar
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  and it's boring people on the base.
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  I don't know why I'm saying that.
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  I love Fury from the deep. I'm sort of trying to go through
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  every doctor now. Percy, it was the dinosaurs.
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  Tom Baker It was the three, wasn't it, With the.
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  King Hydra Flax. He's pretty.
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  Big Oh, the giant robot. What about that?
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  Shit, I do Look. No, I love the giant robot.
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  Oh, looks. Good until it moves.
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  But like, the robot is the monster, and then it gets giant.
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  Yeah. Well, especially you could say
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  that about crawl, but cross big. Davidson.
• 19:38
  Did he have any? Any beasties apart from Janet
• 19:42
  Fielding? Hisses were really the magma
• 19:46
  beast and the garms are not that big and the merka.
• 19:49
  Colin. Colin, he was the beast.
• 19:55
  Stomach artery, all those poor pies.
• 19:58
  And then, of course, McCoy. Who met a giant brain?
• 20:02
  Oh yes, yeah. But I think when they sort of
• 20:05
  learned the lessons didn't they don't do.
• 20:06
  Oh, the merka. Of course I said the merka.
• 20:15
  I'm just talking to myself and having a lovely time.
• 20:18
  I can't even find any evidence online that anybody's made a
• 20:21
  custom made crawl figure. Is there any custom made
• 20:24
  Swampy's OH? I bet there is.
• 20:28
  That really hurts. I really want to crawl now.
• 20:31
  Yeah, well, I also want the I also want the brains and more
• 20:33
  for Tom as well. Again, the Keys trilogy is just
• 20:37
  overlooked. Mark's got this fabulous box of
• 20:40
  mixed Lego at his parents house. I might try and make a crow out
• 20:43
  of Lego and see how I do. Good luck, you need a lot of
• 20:48
  green. I got some time.
• 20:51
  I mean, again, it's like, try it off again because it's just more
• 20:54
  John Leeson watching contour lines.
• 20:57
  So it shouldn't be. Why?
• 20:57
  Here we go back to the telling Doctor Who to get a move on.
• 21:00
  Yeah, hurry up, Doctor Who. Stop dicking around with a
• 21:03
  giant. Squid.
• 21:04
  Why does he need to stop the entire universe?
• 21:07
  Hey. The White Guardian.
• 21:09
  Reese didn't he? Isn't he resetting it because?
• 21:11
  Resetting the balance. Evil from the dawn of time, not
• 21:15
  as good. As it's, yeah, it's, it's a very
• 21:19
  like Blase reason, isn't it? To reset the balance and he
• 21:22
  can't get it himself. Yeah, there is a reason for
• 21:25
  that. I do love the freight he gives
• 21:28
  to to Tom though. The white Guardian, you mean?
• 21:30
  Nothing will happen to me. Nothing at all, I think.
• 21:33
  Ever do we think? Do we think Mrs. Floods related
• 21:37
  to the Guardians or is she a God of Ragnarok?
• 21:40
  Or no, I've actually been given a spoiler this week.
• 21:43
  I know the big bad is of series 2 and I'm a bit disappointed if
• 21:47
  I'm honest. Let's do it between.
• 21:49
  Episodes. Well, I won't tell you.
• 21:50
  I won't spoil it. Luke doesn't like a spoiler.
• 21:53
  Well, that means it's not crawl. It's definitely not.
• 21:59
  If done well, it could shatter Doctor Who.
• 22:02
  In a really interesting. Way.
• 22:04
  I wouldn't mind if it was if Mrs. Phil was the White
• 22:06
  Guardian. Be fairly interesting.
• 22:11
  But apparently. Not, but I don't know what the
• 22:13
  guy. I wouldn't know what the context
• 22:15
  is of it, so I can't. Ask you guys because they're
• 22:19
  they're about to meet the 7th Holy deaf, right?
• 22:21
  And that's been strapped down on that rack and and torn apart.
• 22:25
  So can I ask you please, if we just go round each of us, we'll
• 22:29
  do one to six. Dylan, what's 1?
• 22:31
  One to what? What?
• 22:32
  Sorry. What's the first?
• 22:33
  What's the first holy deaf? The the First Holy Death.
• 22:37
  Yeah, they're about to face. Are you listening to me now?
• 22:40
  No, not at all. I was thinking about the Rani.
• 22:43
  But it was a chance for you to be, to be witty and make up
• 22:46
  executions. Holy death, it's gotta be to do
• 22:49
  with. I know, right?
• 22:52
  Oh, I imagine that actually I went to the Tower of London
• 22:54
  once, right? They had this instrument that
• 22:56
  you insert in the anus, right? And then you turn this thing and
• 23:00
  it keeps opening until it splits your anus.
• 23:03
  So you're bigger on the inside. I mean, I already am, but yeah.
• 23:08
  Right. The second holy death would be
• 23:11
  to sit, be tied to a chair, and watch all of Ian Levine's AI
• 23:16
  reconstructions on the loop. Including Alice in Wonderland.
• 23:20
  The third Holy Death is to be forced to endure a small list of
• 23:24
  podcasts. I've got just to the right of me
• 23:26
  here, but I'll tell you about them between recordings, Luke.
• 23:32
  Oh, let's see, the next day, the next part, keep, keep people
• 23:35
  coming back, you know? People always come back for you.
• 23:39
  Oh, here we go. Now look, it's like I'm just
• 23:41
  going to stick my little stick into this pipe.
• 23:44
  Oh, how interesting. Doing some work.
• 23:46
  No, because it's so rare for Doctor Who to do a genuine, Oh
• 23:49
  my God, shock moment. But when this tentacle comes
• 23:52
  out, it's great. I think because everything on
• 23:55
  this rig has been so boring up to this point, when it bursts
• 23:58
  out the pipe, it's like, yes, now we're talking.
• 24:01
  Could you imagine the poor actor getting ready for this?
• 24:03
  Right? We're just going to wrap the
• 24:03
  tentacle around you now, right? OK, sort of struggle a little
• 24:07
  bit, but not too much to remember.
• 24:08
  The pipes made out of polystyrene I think.
• 24:13
  If Crawl did come back and you know it generates methane where
• 24:18
  RTD would just have been fighting everywhere, wouldn't
• 24:21
  it? It'd be a big fight they
• 24:22
  shouldn't have. Crawl in the fucking space,
• 24:24
  babies. So what's he doing?
• 24:27
  He's he's crapping. And then they're sending the
• 24:29
  craps off to Delta Magna. Is that right?
• 24:32
  Well, he's farting. Yeah, but what are they saying
• 24:34
  the methane they're. Harvesting the methane gas.
• 24:39
  All right, after I've had a Curry, I mean, I think I can
• 24:41
  help. Can I ask you to a personal
• 24:49
  question? Yes you can.
• 24:51
  For God's sake, it. Is about faults, yes.
• 24:56
  Have you been informed by your better halves that you, in fact,
• 24:59
  you know, break wind in bed when you're asleep?
• 25:02
  I have been from time to time, but that's the only mandate who
• 25:05
  don't fart in in front of each other unless that happens.
• 25:07
  No, I'm not allowed to. I mean, he just pretends that
• 25:10
  breaking wind don't exist. Oh, but we do.
• 25:13
  I think it's very normal. I want to live with Luke and his
• 25:16
  misses. It sounds like a very.
• 25:17
  Free can get stinky at times. Especially with all that Piri
• 25:21
  Piri chips. Yeah, no, no judgement.
• 25:25
  Now, what's happening now? Oh, they're they're about to be
• 25:28
  executed. Well, the cliffhang is quite
• 25:29
  shit, isn't it? Because it's, it's not even
• 25:32
  anything to do with the Doctor of Ravana.
• 25:34
  It's. What is it always him being
• 25:36
  dragged away down the pipe? It's it's weird.
• 25:38
  Yeah, the Crow. Reveal and then this one piece
• 25:41
  of like shit, he's gone and we're like oh.
• 25:43
  I didn't. They're saving it for episode 3
• 25:45
  and now that's a great cliffhanger.
• 25:46
  No, but we've already seen crawl.
• 25:48
  But it's weird that the crawl reveal isn't at the end of
• 25:51
  episode 2, because everything else seems like a damp squid.
• 25:57
  Like. People say, I'm not even going
• 26:01
  to give that the dignity of a response.
• 26:06
  People tend to say that Douglas Simpson goes off the boil a bit
• 26:10
  right towards late Tom Baker. But the end of Episode 3, when
• 26:13
  the Doctor and Ramada are in that boat headed straight for
• 26:16
  crawl, he's like, it's great. I'm not really a fan of the
• 26:22
  Dudley Simpson Tom Baker music. I think he's gone off it by the
• 26:25
  beginning of the era to be honest.
• 26:26
  His 60s work is the best. Do you remember the Ice
• 26:30
  Warriors? So that JNT was right to to bin
• 26:39
  him off. Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:41
  It was the right decision. The problem is they bring in
• 26:44
  like some really cool electronic musicians and then about four
• 26:47
  stories later, just go anyone with a synthesizer.
• 26:49
  All you. Wouldn't have to sit your deaf
• 26:51
  music, don't you like that? Yeah, but like we're talking one
• 26:55
  in a one a season, 1 every two seasons by the time you get to.
• 27:00
  You love it in Stones of Blood. When he's doing, you know he's
• 27:02
  holding up the raggers. It's like bull fighting.
• 27:07
  I'm not saying that it's all shit, but it is just repetitive
• 27:11
  and I'm a bit bored by. This classic music doesn't stick
• 27:14
  in my head like new music. So like it was a city of death
• 27:17
  yet. But Stones of Blood, I won't be
• 27:19
  able to tell you anything. I'm just being nice because
• 27:22
  sigh, heart has just had a stroke here and you say these
• 27:24
  things and I don't want the medical a.
• 27:28
  Quick quick quiz. This Part 2 was.
• 27:32
  I mean it's only one question. Part 2 was the most watched
• 27:36
  episode of the story. Guess how many people tuned in?
• 27:38
  12.6 million. Now go more 14.5.
• 27:44
  No, it's 12 point something. It's 12.4 but it's insane and it
• 27:48
  there must have been a strike because Part 1 got 665 million
• 27:52
  and everyone went. There's no way.
• 27:53
  Everybody went to school, went. You've got to see Doctor.
• 27:55
  Who? Weird.
• 27:56
  Crap handed, man. What will happen?
• 27:59
  Roman is going to die. I mean is that the most the
• 28:03
  biggest leap though? 6,000,000 between episodes.
• 28:07
  It's got to be. So, but there was something
• 28:09
  there was a like a strike in the week, like a blackout, I don't
• 28:13
  know which week it was. And then like Doctor Who nearly
• 28:17
  didn't go out and then the strike got the strike fee.
• 28:25
  I know there was. I'm going to try and be serious.
• 28:27
  I was like, I know there was strikes and things happening at
• 28:29
  the time, which is why I see your deaths got as as high a
• 28:32
  viewing figures as it does. You look at it on average
• 28:35
  though, across the Williams era, it's really healthy.
• 28:38
  It's like between 8 and 10 million, at least per story.
• 28:42
  I generally think if people are invested in the lead actor
• 28:46
  Doctor, then your show can run quite healthily.
• 28:50
  Like you're not. Going to say about Doctor Who
• 28:52
  nowadays and Luke. Well, well, it's just.
• 28:56
  Join us for the Strictly cum hamster on that and.
• 28:59
  It's just doing the same as as any other normal show but.
• 29:05
  Let's not get into the the fucking ratings debate now.
• 29:08
  We're not doing ratings. It's just like.
• 29:11
  Let's just end episode 2 by saying Tom Baker is magnificent
• 29:16
  and everybody was just there for him in the 70s.
• 29:18
  Agreed. Should we put?
• 29:20
  It there. Cut it there.
• 29:22
  Crawl it there. I've had to take my slippers off
• 29:24
  because my feet are too sweaty.