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• justice for: We have been updating you all throughout the last two years on big news updates happening within cases. We have been posting about them on all of our socials and putting out some videos of trials happening. Well, today and actually over the next few weeks. we're gonna give you updates on all the cases that we have talked about personally on this podcast. Whether it was full episodes that just didn't have justice yet, or in any of our WTFs from season one. So we are coming back to tell you about all the juicy details of what's happening in those cases right now. With that being said, welcome back to another episode of Justice 4. We are your host. I'm Jackie. And I'm Sam. Now you guys might have remembered. We did this at the beginning of season two. Yeah. With two very long update episodes that covered so much stuff. Yes. apparently we got PTSD from that so much that not a lot of these updates come out of season two. They come from season one. Apparently we were like, wow, we don't wanna have to do that again. Yeah. So, instead of giving you two extremely long episodes, we're gonna be breaking these down into smaller chunks over the next few weeks. but it's gonna be good. They're good. You've seen some of these updates on social media with like a blurb, but now we get to go a little bit more into it and tell you more. And I'm really excited to do this again. You are going to thank us for breaking it up as much as we did. Yeah. There's a lot we I have seventeen updates for you and I could have added more. We could have, we actually thought about it. I actually just sat here and I was like, Fuck, I forgot one. So so with that, we have done multiple updates on all of these on all of our socials. So go follow us. Why haven't you followed us yet? So you might be familiar with some of them, or you might not. on that note, please go like and follow everywhere so you don't miss any updates, you don't miss any episodes, and we have trials coming up. We have trials going on right now. the Lindsey Lindsay Clancy trial should still be going on. so we should be having updates on that. We'll have her in some WTFs coming up, and I am gonna do a deep dive on her. Did you guys like that WTF we just sent out last week? yeah. yeah, you guys know what WTFs are. Those are coming back. Yes. Really quick. Also, another quick shout-out to Shadow Cards over in the UK. We still love you guys, and we know you love us. I hope you're doing great. So, also. We mentioned it last week. We have two live shows coming at you guys. We do. And as of today, you we are about three weeks out from our live show at Voodoo. Yes, we are. it'll be at six PM. It's a Thursday night, September third. Mm-hmm. we are not gonna do the online ticket sales for reserved seats up front, with like a little package. We're just gonna do ten dollar reserve seats. We're not gonna do a merch bundle or anything, but we will have merch for sale. We do have stuff to go on the tables. Yes. and it's gonna be a really good time. It's gonna be a good time. Please remember the last show that we had there They were having to turn people away. So for inside seating. There is patio seating, but you can't hear us out there or see any of the visuals. So I recommend either if you work late that day and you're not going to get there till six or a little after, hit us up for a reserved seat or have somebody get there and save your seat early. We were shocked. Yeah. But we absolutely love voodoo. We love everyone that works there. They take such good care of us and everyone there, and their food is delicious. I heard incredible feedback from everybody about how well The staff took care of people. They're the best. And the food's amazing. So, let's get into this because we have a lot to talk about on this episode specifically. I'm ready. All right. Let's talk about one of the biggest updates we've had in the Lexi Treviso case. And this like just hit. Yeah, and it's a pretty significant one. It's very significant actually. If you don't remember this case, Alexi is a cheerleader that we covered in a WTF and then ended up doing a full episode on in season one. Alexi Trevizo was a nineteen year old from Artesia, New Mexico, who gained national attention following a tragic incident that occurred in January of twenty twenty three. She went to Artesia General Hospital complaining of back pain and was informed she was pregnant. While in the hospital, she gave birth in a bathroom and allegedly placed the newborn in a trash can where the baby was later found deceased. An autopsy determined that the cause of death was homicide due to entrapment, indicating the baby died from lack of oxygen. Alexi was arrested in May of 2023 and charged with first degree murder and tampering with evidence. She was released on bond and allowed to continue her education at New Mexico State University. Her defense argues that the baby was stillborn and that the hospital staff were negligent in their care as they were administering medications that are not good for during pregnancy and then failing to monitor her appropriately. Consequently, Alexi has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital, claiming their actions contributed to the infant's death. Yeah. Okay. You guys know how we already feel about this. Let's move on. Unless you want me to talk again. No. No, no, no. This episode's gonna be long enough as no no no. No, no, no. We ha we have we have multiple episodes about how we feel about this bitch. We don't there's multiple. We just gotta give you the overview to get to the new stuff. There's also a lot of TikToks about that one. Yes. All right. So on July thirtieth, the New Mexico Supreme Court unanimously ruled that prosecutors cannot use the statements Alexi made while she was in her hospital room after her newborn son was discovered. Those statements included some of the most recognizable moments from the case, like when she allegedly apologized and said, quote, didn't know what to do, end quote. It wasn't breathing. It wasn't moving. It. Deadass, I forgot that it was a boy because she just kept calling it it. Ugh the Court found those conversations were protected by physician patient privilege, so doctor patient privilege if you don't know what a physician is, because she was actively receiving medical care and had been given medication and wasn't given a meaningful opportunity to keep police officers and others out of the room before private medical discussions took place. So AKA HIPAA. Yeah, and she wasn't read her Miranda rights before this body cam footage. Correct. But I know. She was nineteen and her mom was also in the room, which her mom being in the room and the doctor doing it negates HIPAA, but or doctor patient privilege. But the fact is, is that apparently Alexi was not asked if it was okay to discuss medical things with the officer and her mother in the room, and so therefore the doctor violated. Her patient confidentiality and that's why none of us can be used, and it is the stupidest fucking thing in the world because her mom broke that to start with. The thing is though, even if the police officers weren't in the room because her mother was in the room, they still could have fought this. And I guarantee her mom would have let her. So as a result, prosecutors also lost access to portions of the hospital body camera footage. And certain recordings connected to those protected conversations. This is a huge blow to the state's case because those statements have been at the center of public discussion since the beginning that like since this case dropped in the news. And it it's damning. It is damning. So the other not only the body cam footage from her in the hospital room talking to the doctor and her mom, but the surveillance footage of her going to the bathroom, the nurses checking on her now I don't know if the middle part of the nurses checking on her in the bathroom is not allowed, but I know her going to the bathroom and her coming back to her room from the bathroom is not allowed. I don't see why not though. It's just hospital footage that Which doesn't make sense. Yeah, the hospital footage is taken away. that involves her. I'm not I'm wondering if we're still gonna be allowed. I wonder if prosecution can slide this in because we saw in Corey Richens where we got to use pieces of things if we wanted to. That's what I'm speculating. Hoping that we still get to use the nurses going to the bathroom door and back to the ch the station and all of that. Because if if that's taken out also my I have a feeling that because they're those have nothing to do with HIPAA. It's just surveillance footage of her walking to and from But they still said that it's not allowed in trial. I don't know. They might That's why I was wondering if like I her the footage of her going to the bathroom and the footage of her coming back with the bloody footprints, that's not allowed in trial. I'm wondering if the middle section is allowed because they only they only just said the surveillance. 'Cause it got slid in with the HIPAA body cam. That's they're not there's not even talking with HIPAA on it though. Nope, but it's I don't know. We're For some reason they also included the hallway surveillance footage. And which doesn't make sense. It doesn't. Both of those are so damning. Yeah. Now, before anyone thinks this means that the case is over, it absolutely does not. I know, I'm being really dramatic. I'm sorry, guys. I'm just so upset. W we hate this. We were dramatic during the episode. We're gonna be dramatic now. We're always gonna be dramatic about this. Alexi is still facing charges of first degree murder and tampering with evidence. This changes nothing. Okay? The Supreme Court's decision doesn't determine guilt or innocence. It only decides what evidence the jury will be allowed to hear. Prosecutors will now have to rely much more heavily on the autopsy findings, forensic evidence, witness testimony, and everything hospital staff observed. That isn't protected by doctor patient privilege. The case will now head back to the district court on both sides to continue preparing for trial. And I mean they still have a case without it, but it's just I feel like that footage is so damn the nail it was the nail in the coffin. It really is. You can't get around that. And I mean, I hate to say it, she's got a hell of a defense attorney. She has a hell of a defense attorney right now. And I'm I mean, if you guys listen to the WTF or the update we did on her, I watched that hearing before we got to this one and he was going hard in there. And so Yeah, it's I think they still have a very strong case. At one point we never thought this was even gonna go to trial. So the fact that we're at the point where we're having stuff that we're excluding from trial and other things, that's really that's going really nice. Because at one point we weren't even getting in trial. So it's like a silver lining that that means this is moving towards a trial. Which means justice is actually fucking loading. Yeah. And so I guess we do have to look at it from that side and quit focusing on the negative. I do genuinely believe that the autopsy of the baby is going to be insightful to the jury. Very insightful. And then and then they will hopefully I guarantee they will because we had it. I mean, it will still I don't think it was part of this whole thing when the nurses were I was just about to say with the son. With the baby. Well and then we also have the interview footage of the charge nurse, the male and the other one. We're also gonna have the housekeeper who found the baby. So Their testimonies are still there. They we have those interview videos. We have that stuff. So that should all be in as well. And those nurses are gonna be pretty damning in this. I still feel like we have a very, very, very high chance of justice in this specifically. We just have a damn good defense lawyer. But yeah, I think we have a very good chance of getting justice in this case as we want to, because the evidence is overwhelming. Yeah. Yes, it would have been better with that, but I I don't think that's gonna be what as long as this is where it stops for stuff not being allowed in. Correct. Correct. Yeah. However, there is another layer to this case that many people find surprising. the civil lawsuit. I forgot about the civil lawsuit. Mm-hmm. Alexis attorney, his name is Gary Mitchell. He filed a wrongful death lawsuit on behalf of the estate of the baby, who they named Alex Ray Fiero, against the hospital, Artizia General Hospital, as well as the treating physician and several members of the hospital staff. The lawsuit argues that the hospital was negligent in its care, claiming staff administered medications before confirming whether she was pregnant. And then they failed to properly monitor her after learning she was pregnant and missed opportunities to intervene before the baby's death. Yeah, we rolled our eyes the first time we heard that and we're still rolling our eyes now. Yeah. The suit seeks damages from the hospital and alleges that its actions contributed to the child's death. The hospital, however, has denied all of those allegations and that civil suit remains separate from the criminal the criminal prosecution. So I have a feeling that this case is waiting for because if she is found guilty, yeah. This civil case is gonna drop. Yeah, the civil case is probably gonna end up having to wait on the criminal case, It's just so interesting. Yeah. So where does everything stand now? The criminal case is finally moving forward after years. Years. And of course months after waiting for the Supreme Court's decision. We've been waiting months for the Supreme Court to decide this. Yes. Even though the prosecution lost some of its most recognizable evidence, the murder charges remain in place and this case is far from over. At the same time, the death the wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital is still working its way through the civil court system, meaning Alexis' legal team is continuing to argue that mistakes made by the medical staff played a role in what happened that night. With both the criminal and civil cases still active, there's no question that we're gonna continue seeing major developments in the months ahead. I mean, but I really like how her lawyer's not mentioning the role she played leading up To the events. So I'm just saying I like how the hospital needs to be held responsible, but yet But not her. But not your client who actually could have gotten help from five feet away at a nurse station. Wild. Sorry, fifteen feet. my gosh. A lot of people have been asking whether there's finally a trial date. The answer is not yet. The criminal case was essentially paused while the New Mexico Su Supreme Court decided whether prosecutors could use Alexi's hospital statements. Now that the court has ruled those statements as inadmissible, the case heads back to the trial court where a judge will begin scheduling the next round of hearings before setting a trial date. So while the case is finally moving forward, we don't know exactly when we're gonna finally be in front of a jury. Yeah. But obviously we're gonna keep watching. I feel like we're starting to get a little Nancy Grace with Casey Anthony with Alexe Treviso. I feel like we're starting to get the same way because every time something happens we're like, Hello, hi, how are you doing? Have you heard about Alexei? Let me tell you about her. Is it bad that I bring I talk to everyone about this because she is my Casey Anthony. Yeah. I s I you're right. We we talk about her, yeah, the same I mean, it's like a sleeper agent activates in us. We're like, I'm sorry, hello, what? Let me I I forgot about her for a while and then she sent me an article and I'll it was dead ass like Hello Yeah coming out of my coffin. So, as always, we we will see we see those updates when they come out and we will have them on social media if we if we can't get them into a WTF soon enough. yeah. yeah. You can bet your ass we're gonna be staying on top of this show. yeah. This is the one I think we've stayed on top of a lot or hard. Yeah. Alright, let's move on to our next update, guys, right? What you got for me? Mm, not one that we're happy about. So obviously, we released an episode recently with an update that we could not believe. Letitia step. Her conviction had been overturned and she was heading for a new trial. But since then I cried so much during that episode. I'm not gonna cry right now. I don't think I'm thinking I'm too mad. Mm-hmm. Good thing I started with Alexa, because now I'm just mad. I don't think I can cry. Alright, sorry. But since that episode has released, we've had another huge update that we wanted to make sure y'all fucking know about. If you don't already. The Colorado Attorney General has now officially asked the Colorado Supreme Court to review the Court of Appeals decision. Basically, they're saying they believe the appellate court got it wrong and that Leticia's conviction could be reinstated instead of forcing Gannon's family through another five-week trial. Now, before everyone gets too excited, that does not mean that the convictions are automatically back in place now. The Colorado Supreme Court First has to decide if they're going to he even hear this case. This new appeal appeal of the appeal. Yeah. You know. If they decline to take it, then the retrial moves forward, just like we expected. But if they agree to review it, everything kinda hits pause while the Supreme Court decides whether the Court of Appeals made the right call or not. Honestly, I think this was the move everyone was hoping for. I don't think anyone expected the state to just accept Yeah. The appellate court's ruling without putting up one last fight. Especially against that hoe. I mean it's it this is I'm not holding my breath for anything because I honestly it has nothing to do with evidence or her guilt or like that. It literally is a clerical or error on the judge's part. I bring that up too. But like it I think honestly what's happening right now is what's the worst that dad can say. is no. So even though I don't I I know that the state knows that they're not winning this, you still have to try. Because you never know. I They fucking might. They're not going to because it's the law was it liter I mean if this was something else other than what it is, the judge fucked up. They I mean the thing is though, it could still happen. There is still a chance. Stop being negative. I'm not trying to You're No, you are being negative. Let me tell you, okay, there is a sliver a sliver that what the Attorney General for Colorado was not agreeing with could be what the Supreme Court goes with, which was the fact that the defense should have used their thingy majig. I forget the two words for them. They should have used their one of their things to remove that juror anyway, and they did this deliberately to get the appeal. That is a very sliver, but we weren't giving up on that. Regardless, after everything Gannett's family has already gone through with this, if there's even a chance to avoid making them relive every heartbreaking detail again. I completely understand why the Attorney General is taking this to the Supreme Court. I get why we're doing it. I'm not being negative, I'm just being realistic. I'm just I'm not holding my breath that this is going to change anything. Do we hope it does? Yes, but I'm not Yeah. I'm on the opposite side. I have so much fucking hope for this. Genuinely I do. Because I'm sick of crying and yelling about this bitch. I don't want a retrial. I don't want any of that. Correct. I'm just No, I don't think anyone wants that. No fucking. Except for her. I just If it was for something else, I'd under s I would I think I'd have more hope. Yeah. But at the end of the day, n none of this actually changes the evidence. No. The Court of Appeals didn't say Leticia was innocent or that there wasn't enough evidence to convict her. They overturned the conviction because of what they determined was a legal error during jury selection, because or I'm sorry, before the trial even began. It's an important distinction. Because the evidence against her has never changed. I mean, technically the error didn't actually occur until they went to deliberate because technically he could be sat as a juror, he just couldn't deliberate. So all the judge needed to do was make him an alternate juror, and therefore he it would have been fine and our conviction would be upheld. He just had to make him an alternate juror. Like this is on the judge. Yes. This is straight up if we go to a new trial, this is the judge's fucking fault because he forgot to do that. Yes. I will say though that my we're gonna get justice. We're gonna have fucking justice for this regardless. Because Yeah, she's gonna get convicted again. The evidence is still the evidence. Yes. Point blank. But are we gonna have to sit through another trial? Fuck yeah, and you can bet I'm gonna watch every goddamn minute of that just to make sure that her ass is back behind bars again. I mean we watched every minute of it last time. And I'm gonna do it again. But I'm just saying, like, that's why I'm not holding my breath because It ta like yes, you can look at it that it was an error from jury selection, but tactically he was allowed to sit on the jury. He just wasn't allowed to deliberate. Yeah. So the judge was that's and that's where I think that like yes, the defense could have used, but that's why I think that the appeal was okay because ultimately the judge was the one who should have done it. At that point the defense had no control. I don't know. My heart still says that them fucking her f that's the only d defense that her Defense team actually had was of appeals. But the thing is, is that you can't do that with a juror in order to get an appeal. I know. So that's what the whole debate was. So the fact that we made it through the appellate court, and they don't think she did that, except for the attorney general. I'm just that's where I'm just like Yeah. There's a lot with it. It's layered, but that's why I'm not holding my breath because it's such a weird technicality. Yeah. But we have taken all that judge's gift baskets back, by the way, that we talked about. we took them all back. All of them. You have extra gift baskets to give out to We do. Now we're gonna be stingy with We were allowed to give it in the beginning. I don't know. I there's still some stuff that just because of this one clinical error on his part, I'm not faulting him. Completely. Not completely. The judge? Yes. I'm completely faulting the judge because in jury selection he said we will come back to this and he forgot. And then he went through a whole fucking trial and forgot. How do you forget that one of the jurors' son in law works in the works directly underneath the prosecutor trying this case? How do you just forget that? Why are we putting that all on his shoulders? Why didn't someone else be like, by the way, don't forget this? Because the judge himself literally said we will come back to this next week and then he didn't. Yeah, that could be on his assistant. Why didn't someone else come to him about this then? Why didn't that juror come back to it? Because the why didn't the attorneys come back to it? There's too many people. You can't No, they didn't try to come back to it. They did. They explained why it was happening and all this, and the judge said, Let's take the weekend, we'll come back to this next week. But no one else came back to him. The defense didn't have to bring it back up and the prosecution. I don't believe they or I believe we did bring it back up and they let it rest. And then he still sat on the jury. And then we got to the deliberation. I'm saying, after all of the evidence and everything that was presented in this, I there are pictures from that fucking trial that is burned into my brain. And he has probably seen worse. I'm not faulting him completely. There are too many people that had their hands in that fucking pot that decided to remove their hands. But I'm just make it seem like it's all his fault. There's more people that could have said something or done something that it didn't get in the courtroom. Ultimately it's fairly things to keep on top of and keep track of. Girl, you and I have ADHD. We forget fucking everything. No, I know. I'm just saying that like I I just don't see this going another way. That's fair. Regardless, that bitch is still gonna be behind bars. She is. It doesn't really. I mean, whether we have a new trial or we don't have a new trial, she's still gonna do it. She is still a murderer. Yeah. She is still a murderer. But apparently whose responsibility this is is not gonna get agreed upon today. No. So right now, we are kind of in a waiting game. Letitia remains in custody and everyone is waiting to see if the crawl the Colorado Supreme Court will take the case. If they do, we'll be following. every filing and every hearing. yeah. If they don't, we're gonna be preparing to watch this entire trial unfold all over again. Either way, we will continue covering every update because at the end of the day, this has always been about one person. Ganon. Yep. We know so many of you have been following his case with us from the fucking beginning. You guys know how we feel about this. And like we've always said, our hope is that justice for Ganon is ultimately upheld no matter what path it takes to fucking get there. And we are always, always, always gonna be Ganon strong. Always. So the next one. Okay. Y'all are probably fucking sick of hearing about this. But I don't care because shit's still happening. Eric Richens. yeah. A.K.A. Corey Richens. Yeah, and I think that this I don't think we'll have much updates. Probably after this. No, because I think everything's settled and good now. Everything's pretty settled, yeah. We have been covering the Eric Richens case throughout the life of this podcast, I feel. Yeah, he's a s yeah, season one and and with that we also covered and by we I mean her. Covered almost every second of the trial for Corey Richards. I did. And a summit county jury ultimately found Corey guilty of murdering her husband by poisoning him with a fatal dose of fentanyl. She was later sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole and has continued to ma maintain her innocence while pursuing Post conviction appeals. She's a bitch. Yep. Well the verdict has been reached, the legal battle hasn't slowed down. Corey has continued filing motions in the effort to overturn her conviction, and as of July twenty ninth, she hit another setback in court. Corey's attorneys filed a motion asking for a new trial. They argued that Judge Richard Morazzick showed bias in favor of the prosecution throughout the trial and claimed several errors, including the admission of financial crime evidence, and deprived Corey of a fair trial. They also asked that a different judge hear the motion because they believed Judge Morazek could not fairly rule on allegations involving his own conduct. I'm sorry we're laughing. The defense was so if you didn't watch our coverage of this trial or anything with it, honestly, I'm glad that those defense attorneys feel that way, cause I mean I mean, they didn't even know the law and he had to st that man helped them out so much for them to turn around and tell him he was being biased. Like that man was teaching them like they were in as law students while he was running a courtroom, all right? I have never seen like that man must have teenage daughters, because the way that he held his composure with the stupidity yet the patience that man had in this courtroom, I'm telling y'all, okay? So it just makes me laugh that they're like, he was biased. Nah, y'all were shit at your jobs. my god. So, Judge Kara Pettit, who was assigned to review the request after Judge Morazic stepped aside, denied the defense's motion to disqualify him. To disqualify him. In her ruling, she found that the request was filed too late under Utah law because it came well after the 21-day deadline following the conclusion of the trial. You didn't fucking know that, did you? No, I didn't know they got it after that, and that's why that was dro that's funny. However That means Judge Morazic will continue handling post trial proceedings. including Corey's request for a new trial. So he had only recused himself from ruling on him being biased, right? Correct. Okay. So I totally Cause that would actually be a bias. That makes more sense. I thought that he had recused himself in general, not just from ruling on that part. Just on the ruling still the judge in this. Okay, okay, okay. See, headlines were confusing for me. I'm glad we're doing these updates, cause like, see They're confusing for too. This is why you don't just read the headlines. This is why you read everything. But also, I think I was reading headlines before we had a ruling on it. So that other judge had entered and done that. So I think it's confusing. The ruling just happened. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. The ruling does not decide whether she will receive a new trial. It simply means the judge she wanted removed is gonna remain on the case. Yes. So where does the case go from here? Corey's motion for a new trial is still pending. Along with her broader appeal of the conviction. She also continues to face a separate criminal case involving numerous alleged financial crimes connected to her real estate business. As more rulings come down, obviously we're gonna fucking update you on it. Facebook, Instagram, here on the podcast, you know. So going back to headlines, there's a lot of headlines that say that she's not getting a new trial. But we're still waiting on rulings for that. Correct. So technically she's not getting a new trial without this judge. Correct. Is what we've determined. Precisely. I'm really starting to hate these headlines on her because it doesn't make so the headlines are they're just trying to grab you. I know they are. And can they make these ones make sense though? Yeah. Yeah. So our final update for today is about Robert Deere. This one hurts. This one does hurt. This one hurts a lot. it If you've been following the Robert Deer case with us over the years, you know we've been waiting nearly a decade for the victims and their families to finally get their day in court. Our last update was actually a positive one. It was a good fucking update. After years of delays and appeals, the court finally approved involuntarily medicating in an attempt to restore Deer's. competency so he could stand trial. It felt like for the first time in years justice was finally moving forward. Yeah. we were so excited. Yeah. Quick background, just because I did not actually put this in here, if you do not know who Robert Deere is, he is the Planned Parenthood shooter. And Colorado Springs. Correct. around Thanksgiving of 2015. Yep. Three people die. I actually go further into detail on that part, but that's who Robert Deer is. So this one is very near and dear to us. I lived right down the street at the time. Literally happened in her backyard. Yeah, I lived like within a half mile of this planned parenthood when it happened. So but that is who Robert Deere is if you are confused on who that is. So unfortunately, we are no longer looking to get justice in this case. Robert Deer died on November twenty-second, twenty twenty-five, while in federal custody before he was ever restored to competency and brought to trial. He died five days before the 10 year anniversary of the tragic event. I'll be honest, it's hard not to have questions about the timing and how we found out about his death. Yeah. if you guys haven't looked into this, let me explain just a little I'm I'm not gonna go deep into detail just because it's a lot of alleged information. But the prison hid his death. Yep. from media for days. Yeah. Days, you guys. And then all of a sudden by chance that it was found? All of a sudden someone was like thinking about it and Googled him and somehow on his Wikipedia page it said he was dead. No with a date. Was was it someone Googled him or someone looked him up in the jail system? I thought it was like a reporter, someone who looked it up in the jail system and maybe it was I thought it was his Wikipedia page. Yeah. See, and to this point there's multiple versions of how this was found out. But regardless, it was it was by chance. It was by chance and it was not released by the prison. And th or attorneys. Yeah. Literally actually I'm pretty sure now they haven't released an official cause of death except for I don't remember what it was. But I haven't seen an official cause of death yet. No. like regardless, finally the news got a hold of it and they put it out there and everyone's like, Wait, what? What? Yeah. That was us. What? I my mom sent me the article because that like my mom doesn't It was like out of nowhere. Yes. It was literally out of nowhere. And I'm also wondering with his age and everything else if it was like a natural I think that's what they ultimately said it was. I remember reading something saying it was natural, but I can't find something confirming it. Yes. But because of his death, the criminal cases against him have been completely dismissed. The case was finally moving forward and now Robert has died before even facing a jury. While officials have stated there is no indication of foul play, it's understandable that some people always wonder what if? At the end of the day, unless new evidence comes to light, that's all there is. It's questions. More and more questions. What remains undeniable is that his death means the victims and their families were robbed of the opportunity to finally see justice carried out in a courtroom. For the victims' families, the survivors, and our Colorado Springs community, that's a heartbreaking ending. After almost ten years of waiting, there will never be a trial, testimony, or a verdict. No. Even though we have a verdict in our hearts. We still drive past the Planned Parenthood where it happens several times a week. I know I do. I know you do. You live you still live right down the road. Yeah. Nearly ten or after it's been after ten years now, it's hard not to think about the lives that were forever changed that day. Three innocent people were murdered and I wanna mention them really quick, okay? Yeah. Garrett Swayze, a forty-four year old husband, he was a father of two and a UCCS police officer Who rushed towards the danger to help others when he got the call. I'm so sorry if I say this name wrong. Kiari Stewart, a 29-year-old Iraq war veteran who after being shot ran back into the building to warn other people inside. Ooh, I said I wasn't gonna cry during this episode. Jennifer Markovsky, a 35 year old wife and mother of two, who is simply accompanying a friend to the clinic. Those are our three victims you guys. Nine others were injured, five people I'm sorry, including five police officers and four civilians. No matter how Robert Deere died, it doesn't change what he did on November twenty seventh of twenty fifteen. It also doesn't erase the years of pain the victim's family have endured while waiting for a justice system that ultimately never got to hold him criminally accountable. Sometimes there isn't a satisfying ending. And this is unfortunately one of those cases. but here at Justice 4, we're always thinking about the victims, the survivors, and everyone who has had to carry this tragedy with them over the last decade. And it's And it's not even like, yay, prison justice. Yeah. Legitimately There's never been responsibility taken. There's never been I mean, these families have literally just been left to deal with this. Yep. It it's not like he's out here like, I didn't do this, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just literally him and his defense attorneys working the system in his favor to avoid trial and avoid responsibility and all of this for it. And it's just the fight it took to get him forcefully medicated was insane. Yes. The fact that it took almost ten fucking years to finally get him medicated to move towards a trial, which could have taken another couple of years for it to just be gone. Yeah, it's crazy. It's really sad and it's really unfortunate for these families. But at the same time they no longer have to deal with updates or when is a trial or headlines or constantly doing all this stuff. They kind of I don't want to say they get to move on now because they're never gonna move on from this. This is something that's always gonna be there for them. But at least now every time a new motion gets filed or a media thing, we don't have a we don't have that band aid being ripped off and brand new every single time. At least now hopefully they can start to heal. Correct. Yes. You know? Yeah. Absolutely. So yeah. That was our update for you guys this week. we wanted to break all of these updates for you so you don't get confused. Like we did last season. You don't get too much and just like we're just continuing to talk about random things. We now know that our original updates last season probably could have been broken up into more episodes. We're sorry, we're learning. And that's how we're doing this now. We're learning, we're growing. Yay. You're welcome. So with that though, y'all need to buckle the fuck up over the next few weeks because there's some crazy shit coming at you. Yeah. And I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. I mentioned to her yesterday what some of the updates were, but I don't I remember a good chunk of them. But please go like, follow, subscribe everywhere that we are Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, apparently. kinda not we don't post updates on Twitter. I'm not gonna lie to you. Spotify, Apple, iHeartRadio, Audible, we're everywhere, man. Everywhere. Go out there. All of these updates are going to be out there and we wanna hear what your guys' opinions and thoughts are. If you knew any of this, if we're missing anything, let us know. So we will catch you guys next week with part two to our updates. There are some good ones in there, so make sure you come back. All right. Cool. Wonderful. Catch you guys next week. Stop killing each other. Lock your doors. Don't leave your friends. She forgot her line. I did forget my line. Okay. Love you. Bye.