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Race,Radicals, & Religion · Unashamed Table Talk

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SPEAKER_01: So Denise.
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SPEAKER_01: So I just wanna know.
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SPEAKER_01: This is so dumb, but you're married to a black man.
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SPEAKER_03: That's their question.
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SPEAKER_02: I wanna know.
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SPEAKER_02: I wanna know.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know about my.
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SPEAKER_02: His name is Kenneth.
0:21
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: We actually went to school together and didn't even know each other.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, we were working together, and I thought never in my life would I be dating a black guy.
0:32
SPEAKER_01: Um asked, have you always been like attracted to other races?
0:38
SPEAKER_01: Or are you mostly because your daughter is not part black, so obviously you dated a white guy sometimes.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: So no, man, I always wanted the cowboy.
0:48
SPEAKER_02: I want the bull rider, the cowboy with the cowboy hat.
0:51
SPEAKER_02: Love a cowboy hat.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: That's what I wanted.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: Could you imagine my sexy hot husband with a cowboy hat?
1:00
SPEAKER_01: No, you cannot.
1:02
SPEAKER_02: That's what I that's what I always thought, you know, that I would get married to a cowboy.
1:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:11
SPEAKER_02: Like we're gonna have a farm, we're gonna have all animals, and I'm married to a black man who is as city fied as anyone ever.
1:19
SPEAKER_02: But he does have a little country streak in him, you know.
1:21
SPEAKER_02: He he likes He's a man's man.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: He's not like a No, he's not a city boy as far as like he's no, he's he doesn't go get manny's and patties once a week.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: No, he's not.
1:34
SPEAKER_02: He will go get his feet done with me.
1:35
SPEAKER_02: See, Jay will not.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: He likes it now because he likes the massage and my son-in-law loves the pedicure, but my husband will, I cannot get him to go with me.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know that I want him to go with me because I have now witnessed the consequences of that.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: Because when you go as husband and wife, you pay as husband and wife.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you go with a friend, you go Dutch and you both pay for your own.
1:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: It cuts into my girl time.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: It does.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, Dakota will say, you know, we want to go get your beat done.
2:04
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, no, me and Kenneth just wanted to have them done.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: Jeannie will say, Hey, I'm going to get the pedicure.
2:10
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what am I talking about?
2:11
SPEAKER_02: I've already done that.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm not doing that again.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yes, so yes, he is black.
2:16
SPEAKER_02: We we've been married when January would be 30 years, like I said, and um, yeah, but never, I had never dated a black person ever.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, true story, short story, in high school, uh, my cousin, we had just graduated high school, and me and my cousin was renting uh my grandmother's house out and uh splitting the rent, and she was dating a black guy that I didn't know about.
2:43
SPEAKER_02: And um one morning early, now this was also back in my drinking days and drug using days and all that, and early in the morning the phone rang and it was for my cousin.
2:55
SPEAKER_02: I took the phone in to give it to her, and when I opened up her bedroom door, there was a black guy in there.
3:01
SPEAKER_02: I threw a fit and kicked her out of the house.
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SPEAKER_02: Because he was black?
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SPEAKER_02: Or because there was a guy?
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SPEAKER_02: No, no, I didn't care that because he was black.
3:11
SPEAKER_02: Um my goodness, I don't think I knew this story.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then fast forward several years later, and I get married to a black guy.
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SPEAKER_02: And we me and her, we have a great relationship, and we have laughed about that, and I've eaten crow and I had to apologize.
3:27
SPEAKER_02: I apologized to her way before I ever started dating him.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: You know, like I made it right, but I just acted it wasn't something that you saw very often.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: And um my um there was some um it just wasn't accepted much then, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And even when me and my husband um when we got married, um, when my mom found out we were dating, uh, she was just tore up about it.
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SPEAKER_02: She and it wasn't that she had anything against him, she just knew that it was gonna cause problems in our family.
4:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and my stepdad, he literally went I can't remember now how long, but it's well over a year, he wouldn't even speak to me.
4:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: So I quit going to family um functions or whatever because my husband wasn't allowed to be in the house or whatever.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: And we fast forward to today, and my stepdad, uh which was the one that had the biggest problem with it, uh, him and my husband are always on each other's side now.
4:28
SPEAKER_02: They gang up on all of us, and you know, it's them against the rest of the family, and they get along great, and we all live on the same property, and God has restored and healed all of that.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: Um so do you still do you think in tod in today's world, 2026, do you still get I don't know what the right verbiage is, but not racially profile, but do you still get like because I know 20, 34 years ago, even I mean, especially 20, 30 years ago, it was not widely accepted.
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SPEAKER_01: And it was for on for white people to date black people and for black people to date white people, you know, it just wasn't.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: Um I have a really dear friend that's an older black lady, and they uh they had a huge issue with somebody in their family that was dating a a white person and like they did not accept her into their family for many years.
5:25
SPEAKER_01: Kind of similar to your stories, actually, but opposite.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: Um because and now they love her and she's you know just the white fleck and all the darkness, but um, but they've accepted her now.
5:40
SPEAKER_01: But at first they did not, they were very against it, and I mean were very mean to her actually.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think a lot of that still did come from just it it just wasn't widely accepted.
5:54
SPEAKER_01: You know, you just keep to your own.
5:56
SPEAKER_01: You just keep to your own.
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SPEAKER_01: I remember even my dad was extremely racist growing up.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: And I remember there was a time we were going to uh the John Tyler Lee game, and it was just a group of us going, and um and uh where I lived in North Tyler was predominantly black.
6:14
SPEAKER_01: So if I didn't become friends with black people, I wouldn't have any friends.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: I there wasn't any white people, and so I was going to the John Tyler Lee game and I had several black friends that I was going with, and I'm telling you, my dad was he was drunk as always, but he threw a fit and he was saying the N-word and cussing them, and like it was it was terrible.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: I was humiliated I wanted to die, like literally wanted to die.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: And it was just awful.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but that I mean that was the generation that we kind of grew up in, and it was kind of coming out of the racial stuff, like you know, like our parents' age, yeah, but it was real.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: So like do you feel like today you still get some of those same things said to you being in an interracial relationship, or is it mostly better?
7:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I mean I to be honest with you, I'm sure we never really come against very much opposition the whole time we were ever together.
7:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, I do remember like um I remember when he was going to introduce me to his mother and his sisters.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: And uh they were standing outside of our apartment window and I could hear them talking, and I'll never forget, and we laugh about it now, but I remember his mama going, What?
7:36
SPEAKER_02: You couldn't, why you gotta be dating a white girl?
7:39
SPEAKER_02: And and I remember when he's when she said that I was on the inside, and like I heard that, and I didn't think it was funny at the time.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: I was just like, Oh shoot, you know, like they're not gonna accept me.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: And I already know that my side of the family's gonna have a problem.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: Like we didn't even we didn't have a wedding.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: We went to the courthouse and got married and we left.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: We didn't invite we invited one person to the whole wedding because it was just nobody was accepting other, right?
8:05
SPEAKER_02: Like um now, his parents uh they were fine with it, but they were just like, you know, why you couldn't get it, why you couldn't find a black girl?
8:12
SPEAKER_02: Why you go um but we never had really any opposition.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: His family has been awesome to me.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: I have always got along with them um very well.
8:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh the only time we ever really come across anything, I can I can think of a one is like in restaurants.
8:29
SPEAKER_02: We would go out to eat and it would be black women would look at me and like just look at it.
8:35
SPEAKER_02: Did you take one of their men go to hell?
8:37
SPEAKER_02: You know, like they're just giving me like they just wanted me to die on the spot, you know?
8:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh and then seeing black men, I mean uh white men look at like look down on me like Yeah, you know, because he's a guy one of their women, yeah.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, like that type of thing.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: Um and I I remember one time we were going to buy a dog.
8:59
SPEAKER_02: We were married, and we uh was going to buy a puppy, and we had been talking to these people back and forth about this puppy, and the day came we were going to pick it up.
9:09
SPEAKER_02: And when we went to when we went to pick it up, um we pull up in the driveway, the people came outside, and they saw us get out of the vehicle, and the man came and said, Um, we don't have any more, they're gone.
9:24
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, we literally just got off the phone with you 15 minutes ago getting directions, and he was like, We don't, they're gone.
9:33
SPEAKER_02: They're not for sale, we don't, we don't have any more left, and just turned around, walked in the house and shut the door.
9:37
SPEAKER_02: And me and him got in the truck, and at that moment we both knew why.
9:41
SPEAKER_02: We knew why they weren't gonna sell us this dog.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: And um, so it ticked me off, and I'm like, I'm getting that dog.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: My gosh.
9:49
SPEAKER_02: And so I went home, called a friend, and they called the number, and they were like, Yeah, do y'all still have any puppies left?
9:55
SPEAKER_02: And did you had this whole conversation, went down there and picked out a dog and brought it to us.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: And then I called the people back and said, Thanks for the dog.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, but but that's you know, other than just getting looks at restaurants and that one situation, we never really had a lot of opposition.
10:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh, the biggest one was like from my stepdad.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: Um but and and the whole reason we're talking about race right now is because of this trial that you have been following uh that really was not about race, but uh the media and all and and people who get on that racial kick have now made it about race.
10:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
10:37
SPEAKER_01: So yes, I have been obsessed with the um Carmelo Anthony trial, and I have watched so many videos about um just ongoing, just really about daily updates about it.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: But then from that, it's come into a bunch of clips of people on extremes that are just acting foolish, really.
11:03
SPEAKER_01: And it it's just silly to me, but also sad because first off, I very much believe that there are still racial tensions in this world today.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: I believe it's a a lot better.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: But there's always going we're we're different.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: There's always gonna be differences, and you can't ignore those differences.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: Um we have uh, I mean, he's not fully black, but he we have a a you know, a black grandchild that is just perfect in my eyes.
11:33
SPEAKER_01: Like I love him so much.
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SPEAKER_01: He's so fun.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, I think even in today's world, more so, and and I could be wrong, but I think that uh it's not as frowned upon today for a white family to be raising a black child, but it is less common to see a black family raising a white child.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I was watching, and I guess it's just how algorithms go, but I had watched several of these racial videos about the Carmelo Anthony trial, and then I then this other one came on, and it was a black woman who has adopted a white son.
12:13
SPEAKER_01: And so she was at Target or someplace, I don't know where, and had taken into the bathroom.
12:19
SPEAKER_01: He was like, you know, two or three, four years old, young, toddlerish age boy, taken to the bathroom, and then two white women see her go in.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: Long story short, they end up like barricading her in, calling security, and like freaking out because they think this black woman is trying to steal this white kid.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: And so she ends up breaking this lady's finger, pushing her down, because she is like at this point, like mama bear coming out, like they're trying to take my child away.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: Like she doesn't even recognize it's because she's black and the child is white.
12:52
SPEAKER_02: But this is just her children.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: It's her child.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: They take my child away.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: And like, what the world is going on?
12:58
SPEAKER_01: And so um ends up being, and they're like, Oh, you're coming after me.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: Like when security gets there, she's like, they're trying to, you know, da-da-da.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: And and they were coming for her, not for the ones that she thought they were coming for.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: And but it was because, you know, they ended up eating crow because they were like, I'm so sorry, you know, we uh, you know, we apologize or whatever.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: And then she ends up saying, This was funny, she's like, Well, uh, the white lady says, Well, I won't press charges if you won't press charges.
13:28
SPEAKER_01: And she was like, I'm gonna press charges on you.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: You tried to take my child, you know, and so it's like you deserve a broken finger.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: And but it just goes back to that, it it where it all came back to for me is choices and consequences, choices and consequences.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: And in the end, and and we I am talking about the race size because it's been so controversial, but you have this black teenage boy that is really a child that took a knife to school and he killed a white teenage boy.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of the things I've been reading is that had it been two black kids, we would have never heard about it.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: Two white kids, we would have never heard about it.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: If it would have been a white child that killed a black child, it would have been a completely different narrative on both extremes.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, and but currently what the case is is a black child that killed a black a white child.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: And just the just the insanity of people making this about race versus about choice and consequences.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: And it it's just been crazy to me.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely crazy.
14:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: The the the things I've been reading and watching.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: And so.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and I've looked at a little bit of stuff on social media and reading some of the the comments and um and some of it I read and I'm I just look at it and I'm like, you're so stupid.
14:56
SPEAKER_02: Like, why are you even putting this here?
14:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you even see things in this light?
15:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, uh one of them I was reading, it was just like somebody, it's not anybody I know, just something that was had gone viral, you know, and it was like, um, I have um three black sons.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, I can't believe they gave him 35 years.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: What is going to happen to my sons?
15:21
SPEAKER_02: What do I, what do I tell them or whatever?
15:24
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, that's just stupid.
15:26
SPEAKER_02: What's that got to do with anything?
15:28
SPEAKER_02: You know, like raise your children right regardless of what color they are, you know.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying that this young man who stabbed the other young man was it raised right or wrong or whatever.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've read some stuff about some of his family and different things that was said or whatever.
15:48
SPEAKER_02: But look, regardless, this is a young boy who took someone's life.
15:55
SPEAKER_02: Period.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: It took another human being's life.
15:58
SPEAKER_02: And that's not our it's not, we don't have the right to take life away.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: You and I both have had abortions.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: And we've had that discussion.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, it is not right.
16:11
SPEAKER_02: It was not right for us.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: And we've both even used the same verbiage before.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I I murdered my child.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't I I remember the breakthrough for me was actually at the care uh weekend was that that hit me because I had always put it in my mind as, you know, that it wasn't, you know, him or her was not even a child, right?
16:35
SPEAKER_02: That's how I coped with it, you know.
16:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, but when what hit me was I realized I sinned against God because I took God's child away, and that was not my job.
16:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:45
SPEAKER_02: It's his job to know when when life is given and when life is taken away.
16:51
SPEAKER_02: And we have two young men who uh these teams that got into it, you know, and this young man made a decision based on his feeling and emotion, and now he is going to pay the consequences of that.
17:05
SPEAKER_02: And so is his family, and so is the other family of this boy who lost his life.
17:10
SPEAKER_02: And it's so sad, but that's how the enemy works, and that's the evil world that we live in today.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: And it's not really about race, it's about evil, it's about good versus evil.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:21
SPEAKER_01: It reminds me whenever you talk about this, of course, you know I'm obsessed with the movie Nefarious, and we have the nefarious I call it the nefarious weekend in Jefferson, and you said I can't call it that because it sounds terrible, but I think it sounds cool and edgy and fun.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: But it is the weekend in Jefferson, Texas, where we are gonna watch the movie Nefarious and we are gonna discuss spiritual warfare, and that is coming up next week.
17:50
SPEAKER_02: Next week?
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, when does the airs it'll be next week?
17:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I got it.
17:53
SPEAKER_02: But I mean, I'm like, dang, that's soon.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm so I'm really excited about that weekend because it is gonna be something a little bit different than our other retreats we've done.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, and not just like we got all these cabins, we've rented the whole campground, kayaks, kayaks, and and and watching this movie together and all this.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: And we have those of you who are listening, hey, if you want to come, as of right now, we have four spots left.
18:19
SPEAKER_02: If you'd like to come reach out to us, we'd love for you to be able to come.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: But the other thing why I'm so excited about is I really get into spiritual warfare things.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: And at the same time, I have a healthy fear.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, I have a big fear.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Even when I've been praying, I'm just like, Lord.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: We just need to be prayed up, right?
18:35
SPEAKER_02: Because the last thing he wants, the last thing the enemy wants is for us to reveal the the things that the enemy does, and not that we're all knowing in that, but a lot of times in the world we just want to forget that there's evil in the world and we want to blame it on people.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but our battle is not against flesh and blood.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: Well, if you want to come to Jefferson and be a part of this, we got some spots available.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: Just reach out, text us, email us, social media, whatever, however you want to get a hold of us.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: So it'll be fun.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, and then this is also fun, totally random.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: But I was gonna say you could also go on our website, which is officially finished.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: Yes, live, and it has all the links and all the things, and so um, yeah, check out our website.
19:24
SPEAKER_01: It is unashamedww.com.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Did I say that right?
19:28
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, I'm really excited about the website.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: And so and there's a place on there for you to put prayer requests and things like that too.
19:36
SPEAKER_02: Um so we can pray with you back.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, yeah, so back to this this whole trial thing and all of that.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh as we were talking about it earlier, I told you a couple of words came to mind, and that's hatred and entitlement.
19:51
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I was just thinking uh again, I was thinking about victim mentality.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: You know, like, and it's not just in race, it's in many things in the world that people are entitled.
20:03
SPEAKER_02: We you look at ages, you know, there's a younger generation that they just feel like they're entitled to all the things.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: Without even working for it.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: You know, well, there's prejudice in every category of the world.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: There's there's people that are there's skinny people that don't like fat people, and fat people that don't like skinny people, and blonde people that don't like brunettes, and brunettes that don't like blondes, and women who don't like men, and men who don't like women.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, like well I I have a friend that hates men.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Like she hates men.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: It is there so there is prejudice everywhere.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:34
SPEAKER_02: And a racial tension and all that, that comes back to prejudice.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: And it's not just about the color of your skin.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: Right.
20:41
SPEAKER_02: Prejudice is all in this, it's all over the world.
20:44
SPEAKER_02: And we just sometimes don't look at it that that way, you know.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: But it that's that's just one of many things the enemy uses to cause division amongst God's people.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: He wants us divided, period.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: And that's whether it's in your marriage or your friendships or in your community, and I mean, even beyond our community, he wants there to be tension and he's gonna do whatever your hot topic button is, he's gonna push it.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: And he's really crafty at using those things and your own insecurities and your own upbringings.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: And you know, you can usually go one of two ways.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: If you're raised by a racist father, you can or racist parents, you can become very racist because that's how you were raised.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: Or you can think, golly, they were so freaking dumb, and turn the complete opposite.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, and so I mean it's but it's that way with every everything in the world, right?
21:39
SPEAKER_01: And so, but you know, I've heard a couple of times, and it kind of irritates me, but you know, two lives were lost that day.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: And that's not true.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: Two lives were not lost that day.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: Two lives were changed forever, you know, really more than that.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: We kind of have talked about that already, but uh one life was lost, one has got some tragic consequences.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: And Every single choice that we make has consequences.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: And we should really take that seriously.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: And that's whether we miss opportunities to share the gospel, whether it's, you know, taken this, okay, I can't believe I'm even gonna share this.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: So I used to be, I used to steal stuff.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: My mama was a thief.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: I was raised with a thief, and I could justify stealing anything.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: And I haven't stolen anything since I've been a Christian.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's not true.
22:32
SPEAKER_01: I stole MMs once, but then I went back and thanked you.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: You shared that story.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: We all know the MM's ones.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: So um, but like legitimately, that's not who I am anymore.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I was uh at a store the other day and I was shopping and I was buying some stuff from my house, and people were just getting on my nerves.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: It was my second time at the same store because I went and bought something else, and I had already drove all the way home, all the things, you know, woe is me.
23:00
SPEAKER_01: And there was this split second where I thought I could just walk out with this because no one would have cared.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: There was no alarm on it, there was no nothing.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: And like literally it was less than a split of a second thought.
23:14
SPEAKER_01: And I thought, where in the world did that come from?
23:17
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I did not.
23:18
SPEAKER_01: I stood in the long, stupid line, paid for my overpriced household item, and I came home and I love it.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: It's cute, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: But there was this moment I just thought, I mean, I hadn't even.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've been a Christian for 25 years now.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: I've not even considered stealing anything.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: But still, that flesh, that old flesh, will just creep back up every once in a while.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: That is our sinful nature.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: We have all fallen short of the glory of God.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: We're all sinners.
23:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: And even saved.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Oh, this brings me back to that other scripture too that we were talking about earlier, the one where um Jesus says he prayed for Peter.
24:02
SPEAKER_01: And like just the uh I didn't write that one down because it was for a different podcast, but it was um, but like he he prayed for Peter, but Peter still sinned.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: You know, like he is Peter is Peter, like I love Peter, like he's such a warrior for the world, for the kingdom.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: But he still, even after Jesus prayed for him, denies Christ three times.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: And if Peter can deny Jesus after walking with him and talking with him, and he professes, Lord, I would never deny you.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm ready to go even to the death with you.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I read it.
24:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Luke uh 22, verse 31, it says, Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat, but I have pleaded in prayer for you, Simon, that your faith should not fail.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: So when you have repented and turn to me again, strengthen your brothers.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: See, what if but then like this is one of those things where I can go so many ways with this, but if you if you stop on a scripture, like you can take a scripture and you can make it go wherever you want.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: Because you could you can have a hard stop.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: I have prayed for you so that your faith will not fail, or whatever it says.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: And what's it say?
25:22
SPEAKER_02: But I have pleaded in prayer for you, Simon, that your faith should not fail.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Period.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: So if you stop right there, you're like, oh, see, the Lord has our back.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Amen, sister.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: We will not fail.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: Right.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: But that's not true.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: You've got to read the rest of that.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: Because the next one says, So when you have repented, yeah, which tells me, I'm praying that you don't fail, but I already know you're going to.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: So when you have repented and turn to me again, yeah, then strengthen your brothers.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: I just love that.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: This is, I don't know.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: I've read that scripture, I don't know how many times, a gajillion.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: But it has never like hit me like it did this time.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: And there's just so much packed into that, those like two or three sentences that first off, Jesus is praying for me.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: He knows I'm gonna fall short.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: And when I repent, first, like I love the fact that he knows that he's going to repent.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: And that's big because the reality is that Peter has a choice.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: He could get so caught up in his sorrow, in his shame, and his sin, and just waller in it.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Judas didn't repent, right?
26:29
SPEAKER_01: Like he ends up hanging himself.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Like he can't deal with his own sin.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so, but but Peter, he knows that Peter's gonna repent.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: And oh, I just love that.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: It's I don't know, it's just been this aha moment for me this week studying that scripture.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I think we need to come back to that because I've got so many things I'm thinking about this scripture.
26:50
SPEAKER_02: But well, it was intended for another podcast, but we'll we will we'll definitely do a podcast on that.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: So y'all be watching for that one.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: It'll probably be coming up really soon.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: But back to you're married to a black man.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: You know, it is funny to watch the look on people's faces, you know, or whatever.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: And me and Kenneth just don't ever even think about it.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: Like it's he's just my husband.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: I don't even think about color, you know, whatever when it comes to that, you know.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh but you know, you made a comment when we weren't recording just something about um like it's obvious that we're different colors, like all of us.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: It's obvious.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: So why don't we just embrace it and just like why do we have to make it a thing?
27:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, like when we were in Africa, you know, there's a group of us there and we were all white.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: There was 10 of us, around a million black African people.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: It's very obvious that we're white.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: Your difference.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, some people wouldn't say like white or whatever, but I just jump in there, I'm like, uh, like we see this a little baby, right?
27:56
SPEAKER_02: So this mama comes to me and she wants me to hold her baby.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: I have a picture of it, we'll have to put it in the newsletter or something.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: And on the right side, I've got this little baby, and this baby's fine.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: And then this other mama comes and she wants me to hold her baby too.
28:09
SPEAKER_02: And because in this particular village we'd went to this day, they don't get white people don't ever come out there hardly.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:16
SPEAKER_02: And so I've got two babies I'm holding at the same time.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: The one on the right is fine, the one on the left is screaming.
28:22
SPEAKER_02: And I was, I'm sitting there, I'm just laughing, and I'm saying, they ain't never seen no white girl before.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: You know, like, why do we have to try to act like it's not there?
28:32
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:32
SPEAKER_02: Like this child is crying because she is scared to death because this ghost is over.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: You know, this night person.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: Let's just talk about it.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: Just put it out there, laugh about it, and go on.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: We're okay.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
28:44
SPEAKER_02: We're just we look different, our skin color is different, but it's and we have things that we do differently.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, black people do things differently than white people, white people do things differently than Hispanic people, on and on and on.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: Whatever, culturally, we're different.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: But on the inside, we're all the same.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: God created us the same and loves us all the same.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: And we're all sinner saved by grace.
29:07
SPEAKER_02: We all have the same choice to accept him or to deny him.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: We all have the opportunity to spend eternity in heaven or to make the choice to deny him and spend eternity in hell.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: We've all been given the same opportunity where it gets all messed up as in this world, because as humans, we want to say, well, they ain't got the same opportunity as me because I'm black or because I'm white, or um, it goes both ways.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: I can be around a whole bunch of black people and and feel very insecure and not um entitled to things or l less than because I'm white and they're black, they can make me feel that way.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying this is necessarily happen.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: But racism goes both ways.
29:55
SPEAKER_02: Racism goes all ways.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: It goes both ways.
29:59
SPEAKER_02: Black people can talk about race so much so that they are being um condemned because of their color, treated unfairly or whatever.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: Well, then what happens is then it makes the white people who are truly have no care in the world about what color you are, then it can make those white people feel like they have to walk on edge shells and be careful about what they say because everything's going to be um dissected and you know what I mean?
30:26
SPEAKER_02: Like and it j it all the thing.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: White people can say, it can be the opposite as well.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: It's not just blacks and whites, it's it goes both ways.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: White people can be black people can treat white people differently because of the color of our skin, the same as white people can treat black people differently because of the color of their skin.
30:48
SPEAKER_02: It really goes both ways.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: You can go back to slavery and you can bring it up all day long.
30:53
SPEAKER_02: But it goes slavery was way back when.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: And it's it's in all cultures, and there are white people who are slaves right now.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: There are white women right now that is being held that are being held in slavery because they are women and because they are white.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: There are white women being held in slavery right now, being trafficked right now because they are women.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: It happens everywhere.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter what color you are.
31:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: Like I get so sick of it, honestly.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: I I I really do too.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: And I love having conversations about it when they're healthy conversations.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: Um and I love to see the different point of views.
31:33
SPEAKER_01: Talking about, and I don't remember if it was on this recording or not, but I have my friend that she's an older black woman, and this was back when uh Obama was first getting elected the first time, the first his first term.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: And she, by Christianity and her morals, and she was actually a female pastor, like very conservative in everything she believes, right?
31:58
SPEAKER_01: But yet she is fixing to vote for a man that was not conservative in any capacity.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: And but in like we had this was a real life conversation, and she said, BJ, I just I have to vote for him because of the color of his skin.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: I have to.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: And she grew up now.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: Keep in mind, she grew up, she's an older black woman, she grew up with extreme racism.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: Like she was called girl, she wasn't allowed to sit at certain tables, like she had some extreme racism growing up.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: This is the same one that had the that had a white girl married into the family.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, and she said, I I have to vote for him because of the color of his skin.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: And I said, and I don't want to say her name, but I said, friend, if I said that I was only gonna vote for somebody because they were white, you would think I was racist.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: I would be racist.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
32:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: And she said, You're a hundred percent right, but I just have to do it.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: You just don't understand.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm black, and he's the first black president, he will be the first black president.
33:03
SPEAKER_01: I had to vote for him.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: And I just like in my mind, now I didn't grow up with her story, I didn't.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it just baffles me how you can justify politically and your families, all the things, to go so against everything you know to believe to be good or bad or whatever, just because of the color of somebody's skin.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Like that is crazy to me.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: But it also makes me go to one more thing that's not about race at all, but it's but it's denominational boundaries.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, um, like my daughter married a Catholic boy.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: And I know, I don't think they listen to this, but if they do, like we all get along fine.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: But I can promise you that his mama wishes he had married a good Catholic girl.
33:52
SPEAKER_01: And he didn't, he married a, you know, crazy, anxious Baptist girl.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: But, you know, like again, it's those what you know.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, those those diversities that we should embrace and celebrate is usually where the enemy comes in and and causes division and anger and craziness.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: And bottom line, regardless of the color of your skin, we should just all get along and deal with your consequences.
34:27
SPEAKER_01: Your choices have consequences, yeah.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Putting on those godly glasses and looking at people for who they are instead of what color they are.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:35
SPEAKER_02: It's just like voting for a female for president just because it's a female.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: She don't know what the heck she's doing and goes against everything that you believe in, but you want to vote on her because I don't.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just saying, yeah, because because if a female's running, there will be- And I am woman, hear me roar.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: I am so pro-lady, let's let's you know, but do the things, but but there will be, you know, if I'm just saying if any woman runs for president, there will be women who will vote for her only because she's a female.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna matter if they agree with her in any moral standard of their life, good or bad, they will vote for her only because she's a woman.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: That's stupid, Denise.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: It is so stupid.
35:22
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the kind of the point of our podcast today is looking the point of our podcast is it's stupid.
35:29
SPEAKER_02: No, the point of our podcast is to look look at people for who they really are, yeah.
35:34
SPEAKER_02: As a person.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: What are their values?
35:37
SPEAKER_02: Who are they?
35:38
SPEAKER_02: What is their potential?
35:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, like not just there's so much prejudice, you know.
35:44
SPEAKER_02: I'm just sitting here just thinking about homeless people, drug addicts, uh, whatever.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: There's so much prejudice in this world.
35:52
SPEAKER_02: It's not just a racial thing, it's everywhere for all things.
35:55
SPEAKER_01: So to make it only like only this color person is judged because of their skin is stupid and foolish.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: And there you go, I said it.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: It just is.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: It is as stupid and foolish.
36:08
SPEAKER_02: And and to take this case and this trial and the things that people are saying and making it about race and make it about all these things, it is stupid and it's selfish and it's very inconsiderate.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Um it becomes about you.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: It you like even these videos I've seen of these people just completely flipping out once the you know, verdict came out.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: And like I get, I'm telling you right now, if I was sitting beside my son and he was convicted for 35 years for murdering somebody, I would be crying.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: I I don't think that it's not normal to have those emotions.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like his family is devastated, but I hope they're as devastated that he killed somebody, then just that he's gonna have consequences for that he killed somebody, you know?
36:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: And so, like, I mean, like that's I don't know.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: I just I just think that it is insane to me when you don't want to hold people accountable because of a color of their skin.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh our values are in this world are just so messed up.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: We just don't value things like we should.
37:20
SPEAKER_02: We don't value people like we should.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: We don't value life.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: No.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, but I mean, again, talking about nefarious, it talks about that in the movie, you know.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I love that the demon is like, we didn't even come up with that one.
37:32
SPEAKER_01: Y'all did that one all on your own.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: And that what that was that the abortion?
37:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, talking about killing.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's like, we didn't even do that one, y'all did that one, you know, like it's just it's crazy, you know, just where we are in this world today.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: And um the enemy is definitely at work.
37:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: And uh, he works in the media, he works in us, he works in everything.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: And so, man, don't get don't get don't let the devil hell a f have a foothold.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Because if I believe me, he has used me more times than not, and I hate that.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: I have fallen into the enemy's traps more times than I'd like to admit.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: Um well, we're all susceptible to it, right?
38:13
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: He again, I just, you know, we need to wrap this up, but he he knows which buttons to push to get a reaction out of us.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: And whether it's a political button, a racial button, a denominational button, whatever it is, like it's um he knows how to to stir up hatred.
38:35
SPEAKER_01: That he is the father of lies and the father of hatred.
38:38
SPEAKER_01: Like that's God is love and he's the opposite of that.
38:40
SPEAKER_01: He's hatred.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: And um, and we need to not be like him.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: Just to end this, maybe like in First Peter, First Peter chapter two, in the first couple of verses, there's a a scripture there and it says to it's basically talking about don't feed our fleshly desires, that we should cry out for pure spiritual milk as a newborn baby.
39:08
SPEAKER_02: And um I don't know, I just thought about that all of a sudden that as Christians, like we have got to feed our spirit and and deny our flesh.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: And we're feeding our flesh when we um when we think we're entitled to something, or when we start thinking we're better than someone else, or we start pointing a finger and having prejudice against other people or judging them for whatever.
39:39
SPEAKER_02: It's like if we could get to the point in our life to really understand who we are in Christ, which is nothing.
39:48
SPEAKER_02: How nothing without him.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:50
SPEAKER_02: And when when we can understand how much he's forgiven us.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: If we cared more about us not sinning than what other people are doing, period.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
40:01
SPEAKER_02: We would just look at the world differently.
40:04
SPEAKER_02: We would look at each other differently.
40:06
SPEAKER_02: You could look at the person who did kill someone and have forgiveness towards them or whatever.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: You mentioned it's not anything like this, but you had made a video the other day after you had been mowing and you had been praying and you're like, Lord, and I forget now because it was, you know, more than five minutes ago when I watched it, but like, Lord, help me do this or do this or do this.
40:28
SPEAKER_02: Like still, to be bold in my faith and help me to be strong.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: Let me be a warrior woman, help me to be bold in my faith.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: And like, let me just do the things, and then like the Lord convicted you.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, like Yeah.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like uh you're sitting here praying, be bold in your faith, and to do all this.
40:47
SPEAKER_02: Golly, you can't even be committed to study my word every day, or you can't be committed to um, you know, you fall into the trap of the enemy all the time because you're not even aware of it.
40:58
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm praying for the wrong thing.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: Instead of praying, Lord, help me to be bold, Lord, help me to get closer to you.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Be faithful.
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Help me be faithful.
41:05
SPEAKER_02: Help me to be faithful to you.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: Help me to study your word, help me to communicate with you honestly, help me to pray on a regular basis, help me to focus on nothing but my relationship with Jesus, and then everything else will fall into place.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: Because here's the thing I can't do anything right in my own, my own mindset.
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SPEAKER_02: I will fall into my own flesh, fleshly desires.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I will fall into the traps that the enemy has set for me and not even realize it's a trap till I'm suffering the consequences.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so but yet I'm sitting here, Lord, help me to be bold for you.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's like, girl, you can't even do this up here.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, we had just spent time in prayer too.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're like, we're gonna do all these things for Jesus, and we're just raw, gonna do the thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I don't know if it was an hour later or two hours later, I see this video.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you sucked Denise.
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SPEAKER_02: We got done in our prayer, and I've got nothing that's my I pray all the time when I mow.
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's just a quiet time, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I do not listen to honky tongue music when I have a mix.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a mix of some honky tongue music, some maybe's jam, and some Jesus music, but uh, I should spend more time in prayer.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm fixing to be push mowing my yard.
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SPEAKER_01: Not that y'all care.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm fixing to start push mowing my yard, so I'm probably gonna need some some real worship music to get me through that.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We gotta go.
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SPEAKER_01: We gotta go.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been good, though.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been good.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks for tuning in.
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SPEAKER_00: May you be encouraged, rooted in truth, and unashamed.