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Braves > Phillies, Salvy dislikes "mental break", Eric Lauer shades opener, Sonny Gray exits early · Foul Territory

0:04
Speaker 1: For twenty holds a lot of meaning.
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Speaker 2: For who for you?
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Speaker 1: Oh, for Don Mattingly, it's his birthday. Oh Mark our
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Speaker 1: dude buying the seeds running ft. It's his favorite player
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Speaker 1: growing up and in life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I.
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Speaker 1: Guess maybe favorite coach or could be a manager sooner.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get into that later. But one other
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Speaker 1: thing while we're talking about for twenty in all seriousness, krats.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the comments are out the year often are like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I want what Kratz is on and I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's who you think he is. So this
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Speaker 1: is probably a good day to remind everyone that Eric
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Speaker 1: Kratz too is celebrating for twenty as bench coach of
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Speaker 1: the Phillies Don Lee's birthday. And that's about it.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if I have a reason in for twenty
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Speaker 3: to eat some cake, then that's going to be because
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Speaker 3: of Donnie Baseball or Kyle Higgs anything like that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. One other thing before we start, and
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Speaker 1: we'll get into a little bit of n L Central talk.
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Speaker 1: Have you seen the records in that division so far? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're really good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the one good team.
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Speaker 1: They're the one good division, right, yeah, good division. So
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Speaker 1: fourteen and eight is the top of the division. That's
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Speaker 1: the Reds. The bottom of the division is the Cubs
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Speaker 1: and the Brewers at twelve and nine. Super early. I'm
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Speaker 1: not I don't care what the standings are. When all
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Speaker 1: of those teams are above five hundred, close enough. It's
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Speaker 1: just that they're all playing well. All often nice one
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Speaker 1: month starts to the season. You don't see that very often. No,
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Speaker 1: all five teams, but yeah.
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Speaker 4: We think all five will be at the end of
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Speaker 4: the day.
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Speaker 2: No, no, of course not. It's good.
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Speaker 4: It's good for teams like Cincinnati. It's good for teams
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Speaker 4: like Pittsburgh. It's good for those teams that have kind
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Speaker 4: of I don't want to say bottom dwelled for a
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Speaker 4: long time, but they've kind of bottomed world for a
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Speaker 4: long time, and so it's nice for them to get
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Speaker 4: a little hope for the fans.
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Speaker 2: You look on.
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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh's playing really well. They had a nice series with
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Speaker 4: the Rays, they raising them, had a battle of the series,
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Speaker 4: and it's nice. It's nice for other teams other than
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Speaker 4: you know, and then the Cubs and Brewers are just
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Speaker 4: kind of hanging around.
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Speaker 1: Yep, they are and the Cardinals are playing well. They're
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Speaker 1: the most surprising team because they are in rebuild mode.
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Speaker 1: That is very clear cut.
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Speaker 4: Not if Jordan Walker keeps in Homer every day, and it's.
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Speaker 1: True, the lineup can bang. We have been waiting for
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Speaker 1: guys like that to emerge, and now it's happening. They're
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Speaker 1: getting the freedom and a little less pressure too. I
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Speaker 1: would say krats to just go out there every day
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Speaker 1: and do your thing to see what it looks like
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Speaker 1: for the future.
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Speaker 3: Obviously not talking about swing changes or you know, approach
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Speaker 3: changes with Brent Brown or anything like that. These dudes
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Speaker 3: have been playing a bunch of different positions and the
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Speaker 3: fact that they've gotten rid of certain guys, not that
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Speaker 3: those guys weren't good players, but it gets It allows
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Speaker 3: a spot in the lineup to be played six days
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Speaker 3: a week and not well you're going to play second.
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Speaker 3: In two days, you're gonna play third. Well, you know
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Speaker 3: what we need you in to line to see you
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Speaker 3: and left? Okay, we're going to dh No, actually you
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Speaker 3: catch no. These guys are playing every day at one
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Speaker 3: position and it's helping them.
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Speaker 1: And this is a perfect comparison to the division. We're
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Speaker 1: about to tackle the NL Beast. But by NL Beast,
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Speaker 1: I just mean one team. So let's charge the NL
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Speaker 1: Beast is the Atlanta Braves. They just swept the Phillies
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Speaker 1: over the weekend. They're fifteen and seven. The rest of
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Speaker 1: the division is sub five hundred. The Mets are in
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Speaker 1: mess right now, we'll get to that. Yeah, let's start
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Speaker 1: with the Braves and Phillies. Did you learn more about
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Speaker 1: the Braves this weekend or the Phillies this weekend who
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Speaker 1: have been stumbling The Mets are kind of stealing their thunder.
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Speaker 1: The Mets are seven and fifteen, the Phillies are eight
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Speaker 1: and thirteen.
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Speaker 4: I learned more about the Phillies. I was very disappointed
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Speaker 4: in the Phillies, and just because they're built around these
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Speaker 4: offensive names. In the and Rio Moto is getting older.
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Speaker 4: He's beat up a little bit, okay, but Alec Bohm
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Speaker 4: is like one for his last thirty. I mean he's
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Speaker 4: won for twenty seven, so he got He did get
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Speaker 4: a hit on Saturday, a single, so now he's like
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Speaker 4: two for thirty. Sorry, Bryce and stadd didn't play again.
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Speaker 4: I know it was Chris Sale, but like Stott is
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Speaker 4: not doing anything. Uh, it's like man where did this go? Trade?
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Speaker 4: Turner is not off to I mean he's off to
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Speaker 4: a fine star, not a great start, But once you
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Speaker 4: get past Harper in that lineup, it's like what happened?
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Speaker 4: Because this was supposed to be the kind of the
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Speaker 4: strength for years, right, they were built on guys that
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Speaker 4: could hit and hit and hit. Now, Justin Crawford didn't play,
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Speaker 4: but he's not a guy you can count and carry
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Speaker 4: the team. He's a contact guy, steel bases. But I
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Speaker 4: was just kind of surprised with the line, you know,
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Speaker 4: because you always think Phillies are going to hit with
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Speaker 4: Harper and Schorber and Turner and Real Muto and Bohm
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Speaker 4: and man just they're all off to kind of a
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Speaker 4: not a great start together, and that's a surprise. Listen
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Speaker 4: the Christopher Sanchez on the game I did Saturday night.
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Speaker 4: I pitched a great game, I mean not a great game.
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Speaker 4: He it was one inning where they gave up three
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Speaker 4: hundred runs because so made an error and then there
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Speaker 4: was slipped and a couple of blue pits and all
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Speaker 4: of a sudden they're down the sail and the Brave's
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Speaker 4: bullpen was incredible, but they lost to Elder.
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Speaker 2: They lost to.
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Speaker 4: Uh Martine Perez went out and went six shuddy against him.
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Speaker 4: It's just it's a weird man. And they and the
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Speaker 4: Boo Birds were out in Philadelphia, big right out in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: You could hear it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was loud.
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Speaker 1: The dlice Garcia is not really hitting yet.
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Speaker 4: Forgot to add him in there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going through him like Schwarber Harper.
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Speaker 4: Shroburn Harper being doing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. Though, No, you can't just have to.
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Speaker 2: I know you can't just have Shworburn Harper. That's the problem.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's the deal, Kratz? Is this team going
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Speaker 1: to be rescued at some point by a rotation that
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Speaker 1: looks really nice? And I know Wheeler's DL is down
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Speaker 1: in the last rehab start, but I think he'll be Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll come up, He'll be Wheeler. They did lose Durant too.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to overlook that part, at least for
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Durant's on that shelf. Now what do
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Speaker 1: we think about the Phillies here getting swept by the Braves.
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Speaker 3: I mean, they're listless, they're like they're they're not even
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Speaker 3: fun to watch.
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Speaker 2: Like once Schwarber hit the homer.
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Speaker 3: I don't even if you watch them, if you watch
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Speaker 3: them on a day in a day out basis, right now,
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Speaker 3: you're like, all right, well I saw all the offense
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Speaker 3: and it ended up bringing true credit the homes for really,
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Speaker 3: you know, in Sunday Night's game last night, really saying okay,
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Speaker 3: you know that didn't it's not going to kill me,
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Speaker 3: and they really like, it's not even I don't want
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Speaker 3: to say non competitive at bats, it's just yeah, bats
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Speaker 3: don't seem like they are in a spot where they
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Speaker 3: think they're going to do damage. Obviously, I am completely
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Speaker 3: just putting words in their mouth or words from their brain.
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Speaker 3: But this is a team that has to figure it
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Speaker 3: out from the lineup standpoint, and it has to happen
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Speaker 3: quick because you know, everyone whenever a team starts eight
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Speaker 3: and thirteen or the Mets are seven and fifteen, whatever
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Speaker 3: they are, then they start like listing the only teams
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Speaker 3: that have ever made the playoffs. We'll get to the
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Speaker 3: Mets later, but if you're comparing the two teams the
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Speaker 3: Phillies and the Mets, Phillies are in a way better
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Speaker 3: spot because they actually have starting pitching. But somebody asked
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Speaker 3: me the other day living here. They're like, you think
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Speaker 3: the Phillies can turn it around once Zach Wheeler comes
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Speaker 3: back at the end of the week. I was like,
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Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler can't hit either. This team has to hit.
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Speaker 3: They have to start having at bats where the other
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Speaker 3: team goes, well, okay, we'll just get ahead early and
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Speaker 3: then we'll throw pitches off the plate and get this
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Speaker 3: team to chase like it really wasn't a it really
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Speaker 3: Chris Sale great pitcher. Absolutely, Grant Holmes did a great
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Speaker 3: job of staying in the game. But look, you have
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Speaker 3: to come up with more competitive team at bats, and
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Speaker 3: it can't just be Schober hitting a dinger, Harper going.
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Speaker 4: And they they're going to face more lefties and they
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Speaker 4: are good against leftand of pitching at all.
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Speaker 1: It's not good.
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Speaker 4: They knew it's a weird season. Yeah, it's a it's
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Speaker 4: a weird I don't know, it's a weird team just
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Speaker 4: because they're the Phillies and you just expect them to
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Speaker 4: be really good.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 4: I still think they are, do you You would think
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Speaker 4: they yes, and listen exactular help. Absolutely, he can help,
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Speaker 4: but he only pitches once every five days. And let's
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Speaker 4: say even if he goes out and throw a shutout,
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Speaker 4: you still got to score some runs. That's the problem.
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Speaker 4: They just don't score enough runs consistently. Did have the
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Speaker 4: worst run differential is and Joe Davis and I had
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Speaker 4: kind of like a mini fight on the air about
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Speaker 4: this because actually the White Sox at the time had
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Speaker 4: the worst well actually wasn't on theirs off the air,
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Speaker 4: the White Sox at the time had the worst run
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Speaker 4: differential in baseball. And then the White Sox went ahead,
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Speaker 4: so they actually took the Phillies had the lead, and
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Speaker 4: then the White Sox end up losing Saturday, so it
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Speaker 4: was like.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the White Sox still have the lead.
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Speaker 4: And now because the White Sox won again on Sunday
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Speaker 4: and the Phillies lost, now the Phillies have the worst
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Speaker 4: run differential and major League Baseball, which is crazy to
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Speaker 4: think about, I know, because honestly, if you look at
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Speaker 4: their team just on names, and you go through their
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Speaker 4: starting rotation and you go, I know, Wheeler hasn't pitched,
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Speaker 4: but you go Nola Lozardo, Painter, Taiwan Walker, say what
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Speaker 4: you want, but.
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Speaker 1: He's had some good years, but he was he's been terrible.
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Speaker 4: I'm saying, I know. But then go to their I'm
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Speaker 4: just saying, go off names. Don't look at it. Nola
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Speaker 4: hasn't been that great this year either. He's like, hasn't
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Speaker 4: been great either. So then you go to their bullpen,
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Speaker 4: you go Alvarado, right, you start running through their team,
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Speaker 4: You're like, damn, this team should be still pretty good
10:34
Speaker 4: and their pitching has been.
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Speaker 1: Some of it's I mean, you know, some of it is.
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Speaker 4: Christopher Sanchez has a one five ninety or as two
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Speaker 4: and two. By the way, Christopher Sanchez has never beaten
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Speaker 4: the Braves.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna ever, He's going to face them a million
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Speaker 1: times he has already. I know. Yeah, that's surprising.
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Speaker 2: That's one of the craziest, craziest stats.
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Speaker 4: When they were like when we were reading about it
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Speaker 4: and never said Christopher Sanchez has never beaten the I'm.
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Speaker 2: Like, he's probably he's pitching in some a ton and
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Speaker 2: never beating him.
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Speaker 1: The pitching staff for the Phillies entered Sunday ranked second
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Speaker 1: in walk rate, third and strikeout rate, but twenty seventh
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Speaker 1: in era. They had batting average on balls and play,
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Speaker 1: which does factor in some luck there, especially over the
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Speaker 1: first few weeks of this season, was three point fifty seven,
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Speaker 1: highest in the league by thirty two points. That will
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Speaker 1: layble out hopefully.
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Speaker 4: So when basically if they don't strike you out or
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Speaker 4: walk you, if someone hits it, it's a pist mussle
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Speaker 4: somewhere right right now, it pretty it falls in.
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Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that we give at
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Speaker 1: least a couple of minutes to the other side. The
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Speaker 1: Braves looked like a mess before the season started, as
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Speaker 1: they were missing a ton of their rotation. Enter the
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Speaker 1: pitching whisperer Jeremy Hefner, then you pitching coach plus Chris
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Speaker 1: Sale looking great. They've got four really good relievers. Of course,
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Speaker 1: you have Suarez and Iglesias at the back end. Dylan
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Speaker 1: Lee is pitching really well so far this year. Who
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Speaker 1: else in the bullpen, Tyler Kinley pitching really well.
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Speaker 2: They have a good team.
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Speaker 4: They they had the same thing the Phillies said they
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Speaker 4: couldn't hit for a couple of years and they were
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Speaker 4: decimated by injuries. But injuries too well, yeah, they were
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Speaker 4: decimated by injuries. But the but the Braves, if they
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Speaker 4: stay healthy, I mean, if Chris Sale pitches like Chris
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Speaker 4: Sale's that's as a team, you're like, okay, if he
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Speaker 4: makes thirty starts, that's twenty wins. If he makes thirty starts, right,
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Speaker 4: so you're already twenty and ten at least to start.
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Speaker 4: Ok not saying he's gonna get all those wins, but
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Speaker 4: they're gonna win twenty of those thirty starts one likely, okay.
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Speaker 4: And then if Lopez stays healthy, we've seen what he
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Speaker 4: can do. And then but then they're getting like Elder
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Speaker 4: and they're getting homes and they're getting some guys. Martin
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Speaker 4: Perez six shut out. Are you kidding me? I love you,
12:36
Speaker 4: Martin perezbo wow. And then the back end of their
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Speaker 4: bullpen is nasty, Lee Suarez Iglesias, Oh, good luck.
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Speaker 1: Really nasty. Right now. For the Braves, yeah, it's impressive.
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Speaker 1: They're fifteen and seven after starting off miserably last year
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Speaker 1: on the West Coast against the Dodgers and the Padres.
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Speaker 1: This one's for you, AJ two minutes on the White
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Speaker 1: Sox eight and fourteen. Not pretty, but it's the fastest
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Speaker 1: they've won eight games since twenty twenty two, and I
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Speaker 1: mostly want to just spend time talking about Murakami for
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Speaker 1: a minute. Here. Eight home runs. Do you know how
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Speaker 1: many hits he has?
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I know who picked him for
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Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year.
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Speaker 1: I think that was you. Just give me a guess.
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Speaker 1: And obviously you know I'm asking this for a reason.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he has like probably fifteen hits exactly. Gosh,
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Speaker 2: I'm goode.
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Speaker 1: Eight of them are dangers.
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Speaker 2: Who cares. I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 4: He brings a presence to that lineup. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 4: going to say that he definitely brings the presence to
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Speaker 4: their lineup that they haven't had. And the biggest thing
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Speaker 4: he does he didn't really chase a lot, so you
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Speaker 4: got to get him in the zone. When you get
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Speaker 4: him his zone, he hits the ball like he did
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Speaker 4: yesterday over the damn trees and Sacramento.
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Speaker 2: Oh so he's good.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Listen, he fell into their lap.
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Speaker 1: The league didn't like him.
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. He kind of fell into their lap.
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Speaker 1: And I know it's early, but I think they were wrong.
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Speaker 2: You have to take him for what they were wrong.
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Speaker 1: But he could be a forty homer batcrats with a
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Speaker 1: nice on base percentage.
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Speaker 2: Here's here's my ishue you.
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Speaker 3: I want to see him do it against the high
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Speaker 3: leverage relievers for a team to pay the big bucks
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Speaker 3: for him, and I think that's what teams are afraid of.
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Speaker 3: He's hitting some seven to one dingers, winning or losing,
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Speaker 3: and to me, can't he catch? Can he catch up
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Speaker 3: to ninety five plus? I saw him hit a ninety
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Speaker 3: four on our sinker the other day, the ball he
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Speaker 3: went over the batter's eye, I get it. Sad that
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Speaker 3: was That was ninety eight, by the way, just the
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Speaker 3: one the center. Yes see, I didn't I didn't see
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Speaker 3: the velocity on that one like so that one was
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Speaker 3: off ninety eight. So I don't know if ninety four,
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Speaker 3: but ninety eight work pretty good.
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Speaker 2: That's good.
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Speaker 1: Some bangs going on. So the Red Sox and Tigers
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Speaker 1: are playing right now, and props of the Tigers are
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Speaker 1: playing really good ball. They won eight of nine. I
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Speaker 1: believe it is entering today. Did you see that Sonny
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Speaker 1: Gray left the game?
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Speaker 2: Pretty I know what did he leave with?
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Speaker 4: Because I was watching the game and he made like
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Speaker 4: a weird foot, knee, ankle, calf, ham string, the lower
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Speaker 4: body injury thing.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe it's hamstring. He exited because of right
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Speaker 1: hamstring tightness. According to the Red Sox, okay, eight.
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Speaker 4: No, that's not good for them. Probably with the Red
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Speaker 4: Sox there's pitching has been okay. They just can't hit.
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Speaker 1: They have like no power.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 4: I mean Jared bren has one homer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have a lot there if they're not
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Speaker 1: last their bottom three for sure. I looked at the weekend.
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Speaker 4: Someone had nine homers I saw the other day on
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Speaker 4: the Red Sox. No on a whole team, it wasn't
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Speaker 4: that long ago.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean kamys A, Jordan Walker.
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Speaker 2: Or judge it's thirteen.
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Speaker 4: Oh they were the ones I did a Giants game.
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Speaker 4: They had nine homers. Oh, you're saying the team had
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Speaker 4: a team had nine homers and we were twenty games
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Speaker 4: in red for thirteen homers. Thirteen homers and so how
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Speaker 4: me does Wilson Wolfson sures has like four or five
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Speaker 4: of them, doesn't he?
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Speaker 3: And they only have thirty eight doubles. There's teams I'm trying,
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Speaker 3: I think the highest the astros of fifty three doubles.
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Speaker 3: The Red Sox are last in Homers and I guess
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Speaker 3: middle of the road for doubles, but no extra bass.
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Speaker 1: I'm Judge and Ben Rice have seventeen Homers.
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Speaker 4: Jordon Albrass ten.
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Speaker 1: into it, even if it's not a big deal. Let's
17:38
Speaker 1: find out. Salvador Perez was given a day off and
17:43
Speaker 1: he didn't like the way that it was quoted. So
17:47
Speaker 1: the other day Matt Quatarro Royales manager said, quote, I'm
17:50
Speaker 1: giving him a day off. Quote just looking at the
17:53
Speaker 1: way things have gone. He's played in every game, day
17:56
Speaker 1: game after night game. Carter Jensen was going to catch
17:59
Speaker 1: today and he's been struggling a little bit. Just trying
18:02
Speaker 1: to give him a little mental breather. Salvi goes on Twitter, right,
18:10
Speaker 1: I don't need a mental breather. Next day, Salvi spoke
18:15
Speaker 1: to the media, said he's in a great mood. Talk
18:18
Speaker 1: to Q dealing with a sore hip. Expects the DH
18:21
Speaker 1: more in the next few days. Didn't feel like he
18:23
Speaker 1: needed a quote, mental breather, but understands he can't play
18:25
Speaker 1: one sixty two and he's ready to move forward. Quatrarro
18:28
Speaker 1: said the mental breather was from his perspective, telling him
18:31
Speaker 1: the night before he wasn't playing, so he can take
18:34
Speaker 1: some of his take this off his plate of preparing
18:37
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher in the game plan and the whole deal.
18:40
Speaker 1: And I heard Q yeah a couple different times. It's
18:42
Speaker 1: Joe Goldberg with the tweet. But Q basically AJ said,
18:46
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say as much now because I've just
18:48
Speaker 1: given him a day off, so don't take the mental breathers.
18:51
Speaker 1: Not mentally he needed a break.
18:56
Speaker 2: I don't really have a problem with what Quatara did.
18:59
Speaker 4: I'm like he told him he was not, like he
19:01
Speaker 4: showed up to the ballpark and didn't he knew the
19:03
Speaker 4: night before. Okay, and listen, we love Salva. I love
19:07
Speaker 4: Salver Press Krats love Salva Repress. He plays every day,
19:09
Speaker 4: he wants to play every day. He's also not hitting
19:12
Speaker 4: very well and the Royals aren't playing really well, right
19:16
Speaker 4: and Carter Jensen say what you want has actually been
19:18
Speaker 4: hitting the ball decently for a young guy.
19:20
Speaker 2: So and since he since he missed his alarm, he's.
19:24
Speaker 4: Been raking, by the way, so he might have the
19:27
Speaker 4: old thing is let in more or knock in more
19:29
Speaker 4: than he let in. He's knocking in more than his
19:30
Speaker 4: alarm times missed or whatever. It was a wake up call, literally,
19:35
Speaker 4: So I don't I don't understand why what this is
19:40
Speaker 4: such a big deal of.
19:45
Speaker 2: Is not hitting. And I get it.
19:47
Speaker 4: He's a prideful guy in this and that. But Qatar
19:50
Speaker 4: did tell him the night before. It's not this is
19:52
Speaker 4: what I used to get mad about. If you don't
19:53
Speaker 4: tell me the night before, I prepare like it the
19:56
Speaker 4: game is. I'm playing in the game. But if you
19:59
Speaker 4: tell me the night before four or in today's game,
20:02
Speaker 4: they tell you like a week in advance. Sometimes, like
20:04
Speaker 4: I remember Joey Korra and I was again, they used
20:06
Speaker 4: to give me the whole week. And this was before
20:08
Speaker 4: this is a popular thing. Joey would sit down and say,
20:10
Speaker 4: you're gonna play this this this this lefty day game,
20:13
Speaker 4: night game, boom boom. You're gonna have Friday off or
20:16
Speaker 4: Saturday off or Tuesday off or whatever it was.
20:18
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, thank you. But he did tell
20:21
Speaker 2: him the night before.
20:22
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he got to the ballpark and there
20:24
Speaker 4: was no he had no idea here and he knew
20:26
Speaker 4: so I don't know why they all the hubbub other
20:28
Speaker 4: than Salvy's a prideful guy, wants to play.
20:29
Speaker 1: He doesn't like the term mental breather.
20:32
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well then who cares?
20:35
Speaker 4: Would you just say, hey, Salvy, you're getting the day
20:37
Speaker 4: off tomorrow because you stink like I mean, I don't
20:41
Speaker 4: know what else he was trying to be politically correct
20:43
Speaker 4: with the meeting. He actually was trying to do the
20:45
Speaker 4: right thing.
20:46
Speaker 2: I feel like he.
20:47
Speaker 1: Was a great dude.
20:47
Speaker 2: He is and he would never do anything.
20:49
Speaker 4: Trust me, if you ever talked to Macuaturo, the last
20:51
Speaker 4: thing on earth he wants to do is offend Salvador Perez,
20:54
Speaker 4: and he trusts me. He I don't say worships the guy,
20:57
Speaker 4: but he bends over backwards to make him happy and
21:00
Speaker 4: let him know he's the man on this team as
21:03
Speaker 4: he should.
21:04
Speaker 1: And krats before you comment, Yeah, Carter Jensen and you
21:07
Speaker 1: can obviously, one can date and one can catch a
21:09
Speaker 1: lot of times. But Carter Jensen is a one thirty
21:12
Speaker 1: ops plus so far this season with five homers and
21:16
Speaker 1: twelve RBIs and fifty nine at bats. Salvi get I
21:20
Speaker 1: get it, it's early. You got to throw that in
21:22
Speaker 1: every five seconds right now. But twelve for seventy nine,
21:24
Speaker 1: one fIF two, batting, two hundred on base two ninety one,
21:28
Speaker 1: slugging forty ops plus like he has done, and he's
21:31
Speaker 1: got a few homers. But that's it for the whole year.
21:34
Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying that's the reasoning. But this
21:38
Speaker 1: could become a thing eventually too, Like h catches up to.
21:42
Speaker 4: Everyone at some point, it will become a thing.
21:44
Speaker 1: It's going to be a thing because he's locked up
21:46
Speaker 1: for a while still, isn't he. And again I'm not
21:48
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, he's cooked or whatever, but like eventually
21:50
Speaker 1: get older, like you do, want to mix in a
21:52
Speaker 1: few more days off and make sure that he's playing
21:54
Speaker 1: at his prime because he loves to freaking play, But
21:56
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that he is going to be at
21:58
Speaker 1: his best if he's playing every single day.
22:00
Speaker 3: Crats right, And that's the been the mo for Okay,
22:05
Speaker 3: he's got one team option. Salvey's got a team option
22:08
Speaker 3: after this year.
22:10
Speaker 1: That's it.
22:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's that's what my stats say. But
22:15
Speaker 3: while I'm talking about it, you can confirm it. But
22:18
Speaker 3: this is why Carter Jensen's This is why Carter Jensen
22:21
Speaker 3: is on the roster right now. I had I had
22:24
Speaker 3: kind of an issue when Dalton Rushing got called up
22:27
Speaker 3: to the big leagues as a like future starting catcher
22:30
Speaker 3: and then sat behind Will Smith. He's killing it right now,
22:34
Speaker 3: but I still think there's some It's tough to be
22:36
Speaker 3: a bench guy. Carter Jensen's yes, he is Salvador Perez's backup,
22:42
Speaker 3: but not for long. And I'm not saying it's in
22:44
Speaker 3: the next month. I'm saying they know where the future is,
22:48
Speaker 3: and the future is in Carter Jensen. And if he
22:52
Speaker 3: continues to hit like he does, and Salvey continues to
22:54
Speaker 3: hit like he does, this team has spent some money.
22:57
Speaker 2: It's about winning. Is it gonna happen?
23:00
Speaker 1: No.
23:01
Speaker 3: I think Salve's gonna end up turning it around because
23:04
Speaker 3: that's what he does. But at some point Aj said
23:07
Speaker 3: it father time catches up to you and they need
23:11
Speaker 3: to have their next catcher, and they feel like they
23:15
Speaker 3: have their next catcher in Carter Jensen and the fact
23:17
Speaker 3: that they have a lefty, left handed hitting, athletic young
23:21
Speaker 3: catcher that hits with power, and the game ends for
23:27
Speaker 3: everybody at some point. And when that happens for Salvey,
23:31
Speaker 3: to me, I think Salvey probably plays another five years
23:33
Speaker 3: is it with the Royals. I don't see how he
23:35
Speaker 3: plays with anybody else but the Royals. But it will
23:37
Speaker 3: be in a different role because this guy will be
23:40
Speaker 3: the starting catcher, and I think that's why they put
23:42
Speaker 3: him on the roster. But the whole mental break to me,
23:47
Speaker 3: salvad or not even to me. I know Salvi is
23:50
Speaker 3: a very prideful guy and he doesn't want it to
23:52
Speaker 3: look like well, he's exhausted and he's thinking about other things.
23:56
Speaker 3: He is so focused on his team winning. He's so
23:59
Speaker 3: focused on doing the best he can when he's out there,
24:02
Speaker 3: and he believes that even seventy percent of Salve is
24:07
Speaker 3: better than one hundred percent of anybody else. And I
24:09
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a tough transition for him
24:13
Speaker 3: to not play as much. But from twenty fourteen till
24:19
Speaker 3: like two thousand and twenty three, he was playing every
24:23
Speaker 3: single day and probably too much, to the point where
24:26
Speaker 3: his second half numbers were terrible compared to his first
24:30
Speaker 3: half numbers, which made him make nine, I think nine
24:33
Speaker 3: or ten different All Star teams. If he were to
24:36
Speaker 3: be able to get those mental breaks where hey, you know,
24:40
Speaker 3: what you're coming to the park. You're not playing. You're
24:44
Speaker 3: not playing first, you're not dhing, none of that. You
24:47
Speaker 3: are not playing. There is a reprieve to that, and
24:50
Speaker 3: AJ can speak to it more because AJ is the
24:52
Speaker 3: only one on the show that played a lot. But
24:55
Speaker 3: there's a mental reprieve to the fact that that day
24:58
Speaker 3: and the night before or you know, you are not
25:01
Speaker 3: playing one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
25:06
Speaker 1: You know what also hurts. But when the team starts
25:09
Speaker 1: out seven and eight, fine, whatever, and now they're seven
25:11
Speaker 1: and fifteen.
25:12
Speaker 2: True.
25:12
Speaker 4: True, they're looking for any spark, and especially when the
25:14
Speaker 4: young guy is hitting. And I don't mean that again
25:18
Speaker 4: as a knock on Saliver pres It just is what
25:20
Speaker 4: it is. They're looking for any sort of offense. But listen,
25:23
Speaker 4: there is a huge deal I'm telling you for guys
25:26
Speaker 4: that play every day, and especially catchers, at least for me.
25:29
Speaker 4: I can't speak for most guys knowing when you're playing
25:31
Speaker 4: and when you're not. And I say this all the time.
25:33
Speaker 4: I have a problem with, oh, are you playing tomorrow?
25:36
Speaker 2: I don't know.
25:36
Speaker 4: Well, the managers should already tell you. They already know
25:39
Speaker 4: the matchups, they already know what they're gonna do. And
25:41
Speaker 4: there are also days though. If let's say you get
25:43
Speaker 4: four hits and then you don't play the next day, you're.
25:45
Speaker 2: Like, well, I should have played them.
25:46
Speaker 4: I'm hot, but it was already but it was already
25:48
Speaker 4: kind of planned for you not to take the date,
25:50
Speaker 4: not to not to play, so you're like, dang, I
25:53
Speaker 4: shouldn't have got four hits anything.
25:55
Speaker 1: He also said he has a sore hit. Let's not
25:57
Speaker 1: overlook that one.
25:58
Speaker 4: Maybe, but it would have been better for would have
26:00
Speaker 4: been like a game of day because he has a
26:01
Speaker 4: sore hip, and Tavi will be like, why'd you tell
26:03
Speaker 4: him that?
26:04
Speaker 1: That's you can't win on this one.
26:06
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. That's why it was weird. It
26:08
Speaker 4: was weird to because Salvey doesn't seem like this kind
26:10
Speaker 4: of guy crotch. You know him way better than he
26:11
Speaker 4: would go to Twitter and say I don't need a
26:13
Speaker 4: metal break like what.
26:14
Speaker 1: But but he will fight you. He's always been like
26:16
Speaker 1: this cratch. He will fight you to play every single day. Right.
26:22
Speaker 3: I can tell you so many stories of Pedri Gaffall
26:25
Speaker 3: going to him and being like, Salve, you got the
26:27
Speaker 3: day off, and Salvi going I don't think so I
26:30
Speaker 3: am going to be out there tomorrow. Well, it's a
26:32
Speaker 3: day game. We're facing animal Sanchez. You know we've you know,
26:37
Speaker 3: you need a day You've played every game to start.
26:39
Speaker 2: I don't care I playing. I playing tomorrow.
26:42
Speaker 3: To the same point, we lost three games in a
26:46
Speaker 3: row the season that we won the World Series, and
26:50
Speaker 3: he was cat he was gassed at a certain point,
26:53
Speaker 3: and they already told him he had the day off
26:55
Speaker 3: on Sunday, and he got and they come to him.
26:58
Speaker 3: Same dude comes to him and goes, Salvi, hey, we
27:01
Speaker 3: need you to play tomorrow. He's like, no chance, Bobby,
27:05
Speaker 3: I know playing. He said, tell crappy, he playing. I'm tired,
27:09
Speaker 3: And then they kept coming to him. He's like, no,
27:11
Speaker 3: I need day off. That's what I have to have.
27:14
Speaker 3: He ended up playing.
27:17
Speaker 1: Tell crappy, crappy, crappy. Last thing here, just to show
27:24
Speaker 1: how one of the best players in the sport is
27:26
Speaker 1: barely a crossing home. Bobby with Junior has four runs
27:29
Speaker 1: scored this season.
27:30
Speaker 4: Which is better because at one time he had been
27:32
Speaker 4: on base thirty times and he scored once. So at
27:34
Speaker 4: least they're driving him in a little bit better.
27:35
Speaker 1: It's not that much better. Right ready for this. Three
27:38
Speaker 1: of those runs scored were in one game.
27:40
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. But that's better than what it
27:42
Speaker 4: was because at one time he was on base thirty
27:43
Speaker 4: times and only scored once. At least now he's up
27:45
Speaker 4: to four, so he scored three more times.
27:47
Speaker 1: They've played twenty two games. True, he has scored runs
27:51
Speaker 1: in two of them.
27:52
Speaker 4: He's been on base a lot.
27:53
Speaker 1: He's been on base a lot.
27:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the throw.
27:55
Speaker 4: Vinnie's not hitting. Yep, Salvy's not hitting mm hm, kagal
27:58
Speaker 4: Own is doing better, but it's that great. I mean,
28:01
Speaker 4: no one's hitting. Garcia is ahead of Bobby, so he
28:03
Speaker 4: can't drive them in. No one's really hitting. So it's
28:07
Speaker 4: like the it's the whole Phillies thing, like, yeah, great,
28:09
Speaker 4: Bobby's doing great, but if there just has to be
28:11
Speaker 4: more than one or two.
28:12
Speaker 1: Guys in your lineup to Yeah, Garcia has been okay,
28:15
Speaker 1: Carter Jensen's hitting, there's.
28:16
Speaker 4: Just not Carter Jensen is down farther enough to wear
28:18
Speaker 4: Bobby's on. He normally doesn't hit when Bobby's on right.
28:21
Speaker 2: Not for long.
28:21
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28:24
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Speaker 1: who had a rough weekend against the Reds. Their rotation
29:55
Speaker 1: takes another hit. Mick Abel, who had been pitching well,
29:58
Speaker 1: has right elbow inflammation. That's a tough one. They got
30:01
Speaker 1: swept by the Reds, and yeah, Joe, Ryan, TODs, Bradley,
30:04
Speaker 1: and Bailey Ober pitching three earned runs and eighteen and
30:07
Speaker 1: a third combined one four seventy ra. But the bullpen
30:11
Speaker 1: and the defense let them down. The lineup wasn't doing
30:13
Speaker 1: their thing, which is kind of been expected. That's what
30:15
Speaker 1: puts them back.
30:16
Speaker 4: To the what's the record?
30:18
Speaker 1: Eleven and eleven?
30:19
Speaker 4: They were like eleven and seven not long ago, I.
30:21
Speaker 1: Believe, right, Yeah, it might have been. Is it a
30:26
Speaker 1: four game loser? I mean, obviously they got.
30:27
Speaker 4: I just remember we had a there was a Dan
30:29
Speaker 4: Hayes on and he was talking about how the surprise.
30:31
Speaker 2: They are and now they're so that's my thing.
30:33
Speaker 4: I'm like, but I'm just saying, I'm just selling you.
30:36
Speaker 1: They're also, I mean, they're in potential not a great division, right,
30:41
Speaker 1: at least a mid division. Yeah, Tigers are playing really well. Yeah,
30:46
Speaker 1: those two teams are playing. It's right now. That's what
30:49
Speaker 1: looks like the separation here. I think the Guardians and
30:51
Speaker 1: Tigers look good. The Royals look awful. I think they'll
30:54
Speaker 1: get a little better. The White Sox don't look like
30:55
Speaker 1: they're much different from last year in terms of production.
30:57
Speaker 1: And then the Twins, to me, are they're not going to.
31:01
Speaker 4: Be Somebody picked the Royals and make the playoffs?
31:05
Speaker 2: Was it you? What? What? Me?
31:07
Speaker 1: It was?
31:07
Speaker 2: Crats?
31:09
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Royals are better than the
31:11
Speaker 1: White Tux and the Twins.
31:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, doesn't mean that's true.
31:18
Speaker 1: And the Reds looked damn good. They're winning in a
31:20
Speaker 1: number of ways. They're winning one run games, Crats, And
31:23
Speaker 1: they're missing some dudes, they're missing some homers. They're their
31:30
Speaker 1: outfield doesn't hit freedom. I know had had a good
31:33
Speaker 1: game but their outfield is not given him much. But
31:36
Speaker 1: they're infield man, I mean Sal Stewart. Obviously, Ellie is
31:40
Speaker 1: a good player that's needed help. That's a good infield.
31:43
Speaker 3: The queens around I thought, I thought Ellie broke his
31:46
Speaker 3: arm yesterday. Whatever he did into home on the stop
31:50
Speaker 3: and go play that was that was not it. But
31:53
Speaker 3: hopefully it's fine.
31:55
Speaker 1: Right, did they say anything. I didn't see anything significant
31:58
Speaker 1: shoulder something, yeah, but nothing like that they were worried about.
32:02
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean he played all year.
32:05
Speaker 3: He played all year last year with that quad injury
32:07
Speaker 3: or half the year and had one homer in two
32:09
Speaker 3: and nind bats. You just you just don't want to
32:10
Speaker 3: see a play like that where it was avoidable and
32:13
Speaker 3: it's like, don't do that.
32:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
32:17
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
32:20
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
32:21
Speaker 1: That's what he said. Hey, the Rockies are playing some
32:27
Speaker 1: good ball against the Dodgers right now. And after they
32:31
Speaker 1: won Saturday's game, talking about Colorado, Dalton Rushing had some
32:35
Speaker 1: comments and he used a word that started to circulate
32:41
Speaker 1: around the Rockies clubhouse and they responded. So let's start
32:44
Speaker 1: with Rushing, the hot shot Dodgers' catchers off the great start,
32:48
Speaker 1: great dude, and what he pondered after the Dodgers lost
32:52
Speaker 1: to the Rocky Saturday.
32:55
Speaker 5: I think it could have been a little bit of
32:56
Speaker 5: both sides. I think they had a good game plan
32:59
Speaker 5: as an opposed team. Uh, and maybe I pitched into
33:03
Speaker 5: their game plan. As far as calling pitches, I'm not
33:06
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure. I just I think it's odd
33:09
Speaker 5: some of those hitters that do what they do. They
33:11
Speaker 5: go up there and they were only the first pitch
33:13
Speaker 5: that was thrown. So it's a little fishy.
33:17
Speaker 2: But what's fishy?
33:20
Speaker 4: Dude? If I'm facing Roki Sazaki, guess what, I don't
33:23
Speaker 4: want to wait around for a split.
33:26
Speaker 1: Wait, I'm gonna take this season.
33:27
Speaker 4: I'm going up their first pitch saying, dang, if he
33:29
Speaker 4: throws me a heater, I'm jumping.
33:32
Speaker 1: I will take this even further for you. The Colorado
33:35
Speaker 1: Rockies probably.
33:36
Speaker 4: Swinging more first pitches anyway, because they probably have the
33:38
Speaker 4: youngest team.
33:39
Speaker 1: Are first pitch swing percentage they are I believe first. Yeah,
33:44
Speaker 1: they have to second in swing percentage over the rock.
33:47
Speaker 2: They swing, they're young, don't walk.
33:49
Speaker 1: Yes, that is the Rockies for you and Dave Roberts
33:53
Speaker 1: The next day, before Sunday's game, which they lost. The
33:55
Speaker 1: Dodgers lost to the Rockies, he said, like, not bad
33:59
Speaker 1: breaker is not executed?
34:00
Speaker 4: What Colorado too. Let's not forget it's also Colorado. The
34:04
Speaker 4: ball doesn't exactly move the same ways?
34:06
Speaker 1: Correct? And that was after just to clarify, because again,
34:09
Speaker 1: like every Dodger fan's gonna nitpick every single thing Roki
34:13
Speaker 1: was Sunday. This was after Saturday, Yes, just to make
34:16
Speaker 1: sure that. I'm just saying, like, we're watching, you know,
34:18
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that, Oh you didn't like
34:19
Speaker 1: we're watching. We are getting through the order here of operations.
34:22
Speaker 1: But point is Rushing said something. I mean, I don't
34:27
Speaker 1: want him to hold back. So does Dave Roberts have
34:30
Speaker 1: to say anything to Rushing or he just like lets
34:32
Speaker 1: him say his piece. And then Robert says, no, I disagree.
34:35
Speaker 1: I think we weren't executing our pitches.
34:39
Speaker 2: I would have known what he means. What does he mean?
34:43
Speaker 2: What do you mean by it's fishy? Like?
34:45
Speaker 3: Is he saying that it's not a good approach to
34:47
Speaker 3: go out and swing at the first pitch.
34:49
Speaker 2: Is he's saying they knew what was coming? And that's
34:53
Speaker 2: what's fishy. Do I love the trolling?
34:56
Speaker 3: I am not a I am not a trolling fan
34:58
Speaker 3: in baseball. I don't like when, like high school teams
35:01
Speaker 3: troll each other. It just seems like a waste. But
35:04
Speaker 3: the Rockies, I think on every double, at least every
35:08
Speaker 3: double they'd get to, they'd get to second base and
35:11
Speaker 3: they'd give the old like they're fishing. Something was fishy.
35:16
Speaker 3: But what does he mean by fishy?
35:17
Speaker 2: I need to know.
35:18
Speaker 3: Put that in your note, Scott when Dalton Russian comes
35:21
Speaker 3: back on the show at some point, I want to
35:23
Speaker 3: know what he meant by fishy.
35:26
Speaker 1: Rockies are three and ten on the road, six and
35:28
Speaker 1: three at home, and you know it's fishy. They're always
35:30
Speaker 1: like that. So how do you figure out the Rocky
35:33
Speaker 1: is playing better on the road. It's fishy.
35:35
Speaker 4: That's that's been the question for since nineteen ninety five.
35:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't figure out the environment. Can we show
35:41
Speaker 1: that tweet too? From Patrick Lyon to who's out there
35:43
Speaker 1: in Denver? There it is? So that's the you know,
35:46
Speaker 1: how teams trying and find their thing.
35:47
Speaker 2: That's their thing.
35:48
Speaker 4: Now they don't have a necklace with a big fish
35:50
Speaker 4: on it like a big greenboat trout or something.
35:51
Speaker 1: Oh, they should do that in the dugout and out
35:54
Speaker 1: in the field after they get a big knock they
35:57
Speaker 1: reel it in fishy behavior Colorado. It's all in good fun.
36:01
Speaker 1: I'm glad Dalton said it.
36:03
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the thing is is he it was an
36:06
Speaker 4: accusatory of the other team of doing something.
36:08
Speaker 2: What were they doing?
36:10
Speaker 4: They were swinging at the first pitch because I don't
36:14
Speaker 4: know who pitched on Saturday for the Dodgers, and she
36:17
Speaker 4: was Maybe their game plan was the first strike he throws,
36:21
Speaker 4: or he has a high first strike percent.
36:22
Speaker 2: I don't know.
36:22
Speaker 4: I didn't look at it, but and he throws a
36:24
Speaker 4: lot of first fit strikes. Let's jump them if I
36:27
Speaker 4: know this. On Sunday when I'm facing Sazaki, I'm trying
36:29
Speaker 4: to get a first pitch. I ain't wait for the split.
36:31
Speaker 1: They also scored four runs the Rockies, Like, it's not
36:34
Speaker 1: like they got blitzed on Saturday. They won four.
36:38
Speaker 4: Three and they and the Dodgers had like all kinds
36:39
Speaker 4: of runners on base in the night.
36:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, you know what's fishy. The Dodgers
36:43
Speaker 1: are one of the best looking rosters I've ever seen,
36:45
Speaker 1: and they lost Saturday's game by scoring three runs in Denver,
36:50
Speaker 1: and they probably were over under to score runs that day.
36:52
Speaker 1: It was probably what like five and a half or
36:54
Speaker 1: something like that for the Dodgers.
36:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you see my bet later there's there's an
37:01
Speaker 4: over under my feature upcoming.
37:03
Speaker 1: But whatever, it's fun. I mean, I know it's not harmless,
37:06
Speaker 1: Like it's fun for me as a fan. On the
37:08
Speaker 1: other side, I get at Kratz. If you are the Rockies,
37:12
Speaker 1: You're like, whoa, we are not doing anything wrong.
37:15
Speaker 3: We swing at everything, or or say, with your test,
37:19
Speaker 3: what did what did you mean? I've said it like
37:22
Speaker 3: six times. What did you mean? Major League Baseball investigating
37:25
Speaker 3: the Rockies? Now, like, what what did he mean by fishy?
37:30
Speaker 2: I want to know. I gotta know.
37:33
Speaker 1: One more quote from this one and then we'll move
37:35
Speaker 1: to another. Dave Roberts pregame with the media before Sunday's game,
37:41
Speaker 1: was asked about Roki Sasaki. They said, what do you
37:46
Speaker 1: expect from Roki today? And he goes, I don't, I don't.
37:53
Speaker 1: I don't like saying they were saying, what do you
37:55
Speaker 1: expect from him? Like like and he's like, I don't,
37:58
Speaker 1: like really sure, I don't know, Poppy, he's got a
38:04
Speaker 1: six six plus e RA.
38:06
Speaker 3: So what does AJ talk about when he talks about
38:12
Speaker 3: the best managers in those pregame meetings, the guys that
38:16
Speaker 3: are honest, the guys that to me, the guys that
38:19
Speaker 3: are honest out there, they're always telling you like it
38:24
Speaker 3: is from what they see now. They're not just gonna
38:26
Speaker 3: throw their players under the busan maybe some of them
38:29
Speaker 3: do and tell AJ not to say anything, but like,
38:33
Speaker 3: it's the honesty. And so I appreciate Dave Roberts saying
38:37
Speaker 3: what everybody else sees, but also like that this is
38:42
Speaker 3: this is another reason of how good the Dodgers are.
38:45
Speaker 3: They can let him figure this out in the big leagues.
38:47
Speaker 3: They can let him find his third pitch, as everybody says,
38:52
Speaker 3: as everybody said in spring training he needed a third pitch.
38:55
Speaker 3: Normally you have to go to the bushes. You got
38:57
Speaker 3: to go triple A to say, okay, you got to
39:00
Speaker 3: throw your cut or more, your slider more, whatever that
39:03
Speaker 3: third pitch is gonna be. They can let him figure
39:06
Speaker 3: it out in the big leagues. It's kind of crazy
39:08
Speaker 3: that a team is that good to let somebody essentially
39:11
Speaker 3: rehab in the big leagues. But that's what they're going
39:14
Speaker 3: for right now. Kudos to Dave Roberts for being honest.
39:20
Speaker 1: Right, that's about as far as you can go if
39:24
Speaker 1: you're the manager.
39:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's he gonna say?
39:26
Speaker 1: I want him in the minors because he has a
39:28
Speaker 1: six YRA and I don't think he's ready to be
39:30
Speaker 1: a starter in the big leagues right now.
39:32
Speaker 4: He can't say that, I know, because he's on the
39:34
Speaker 4: team and he's a starter, so he can't say that.
39:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to play the process out. Be fortunate.
39:40
Speaker 1: They have a great team that can allow a lot
39:42
Speaker 1: more leeway than almost any other team, and there is
39:46
Speaker 1: still a threshold right after I don't know, another two
39:49
Speaker 1: three weeks, If the era still six from your starter
39:52
Speaker 1: and you're still seeing the same lack of command and
39:55
Speaker 1: lack of developing the pitch, then it's an easier case
39:58
Speaker 1: to make with his camp and say, hey, what's what's
40:00
Speaker 1: next here?
40:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they need three, they need six starters.
40:03
Speaker 3: They need five starters because show Hay is only gonna
40:07
Speaker 3: go on a certain amount of rest. So until that happens,
40:11
Speaker 3: until Snell comes back, until they say, I mean Robleski
40:15
Speaker 3: essentially is now starter again, which he should have been before.
40:18
Speaker 3: But like, until that stuff plays itself out, they need
40:23
Speaker 3: a six starter unless they're gonna go Opener. But I
40:26
Speaker 3: guess it doesn't really matter because they have the show
40:28
Speaker 3: Hay rules, so they get the extra they get the
40:30
Speaker 3: extra pitcher anyway, but they kind of need him right
40:33
Speaker 3: now until everybody gets one hundred percent.
40:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna go through the whole
40:38
Speaker 1: minor league situation for them, but I'm sure there's somebody
40:41
Speaker 1: else that can come up and start if rookie has
40:43
Speaker 1: a sixty RA in May.
40:46
Speaker 4: If he has a sixty RA May, he won't be
40:48
Speaker 4: there either be on the IL or he'll be in Triple.
40:50
Speaker 1: A or in the bullpen or in the bullpen where he's.
40:53
Speaker 2: Looking to go. I wasn't. I wasn't, okay.
40:56
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he wants to do that,
40:58
Speaker 1: but I mean, Dan, I don't think they want to
41:00
Speaker 1: be nice flashes last October.
41:02
Speaker 4: He's safe, yeah, but their bullpen's too good right now
41:04
Speaker 4: with the guys.
41:05
Speaker 2: They have pits, and they don't want to do that. Multimately,
41:08
Speaker 2: they don't want it. They don't want that.
41:09
Speaker 1: You don't want that.
41:10
Speaker 4: They'd rather send him a triple and let him work
41:11
Speaker 4: on it.
41:12
Speaker 1: I know, but what if he says I'm not going
41:14
Speaker 1: to triple?
41:15
Speaker 4: You know what, they say, Nope, we don't care.
41:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little trickier than that.
41:20
Speaker 4: Why, guys, he's not our of eligible. He's a zero
41:24
Speaker 4: to five guy. He has options. There's nothing more to
41:26
Speaker 4: it than that.
41:27
Speaker 1: Because when you mistink when you recruit players.
41:30
Speaker 4: Okay, so he's been great, Yamamoto has been great.
41:33
Speaker 1: I know, but that's different. You're recruiting players. Wait, why
41:36
Speaker 1: why is that different? Yeah, because when you're recruiting Roki Sazaki,
41:40
Speaker 1: and the money was pretty much the same to go
41:42
Speaker 1: to any team. Part of the lore with the Dodgers
41:45
Speaker 1: was not just them being the Dodgers and having all
41:47
Speaker 1: these guys. It's like, I'm going to get a chance
41:49
Speaker 1: to succeed in the majors because the thing that many
41:52
Speaker 1: other teams can say against it is well, that's a
41:55
Speaker 1: playoff team and you're not going to be able to
41:57
Speaker 1: kick it in the rotation and do that for a while.
41:59
Speaker 1: And they're actually letting giving him.
42:00
Speaker 4: No player thinks like that, though crowds. No player goes
42:02
Speaker 4: to that. He picked La because he thought that was
42:04
Speaker 4: the best place for him and where he do well.
42:07
Speaker 4: Rookies Iszoki did not go into this saying no player
42:10
Speaker 4: now twenty five years from now, one hundred years from now,
42:13
Speaker 4: two days from now will come over to the US
42:16
Speaker 4: or sign up a contract and say, man, if I
42:18
Speaker 4: go to crap, they're gonna send me down.
42:21
Speaker 2: Because you never think you're gonna go to crap.
42:23
Speaker 6: I know, so that the recruiting pitch is the same, Hey,
42:27
Speaker 6: we'll give you every opportunity because you know what, if
42:29
Speaker 6: he was in another team, his ass already might be
42:32
Speaker 6: in Triple A because they would say, hey, we can't.
42:35
Speaker 1: We can't afford we use this.
42:38
Speaker 4: The Dodgers are least saying, hey, you're still starting every
42:41
Speaker 4: six day, seventh day, whatever it is.
42:43
Speaker 1: But you know, college recruiting, So if I'm the Yankees
42:45
Speaker 1: and I'm recruiting the next Hessan Kim or rok college,
42:49
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, hey, like, and let's say it doesn't
42:51
Speaker 1: work out well for rookie, and like rokies in the minors,
42:54
Speaker 1: Kim has been great when he's up in the bigs,
42:55
Speaker 1: but then like let's say Mookie's back and he's not
42:57
Speaker 1: playing again, and you're like and this guy came and
42:59
Speaker 1: find playing time. You should sign with our team. And
43:01
Speaker 1: the Yankees might not be the best example, but you
43:02
Speaker 1: should sign with our team because we're going to let
43:04
Speaker 1: you play and give you it.
43:05
Speaker 4: But if all things are equal, they'd rather go to LA.
43:07
Speaker 4: And you're talking about college recruiting and crafts and speak
43:09
Speaker 4: on this too. Teams go, teams, All the teams go, well,
43:13
Speaker 4: you were here for a year, you didn't play. Transfer, Please,
43:16
Speaker 4: we'll find you some one to fill your spot. And
43:18
Speaker 4: those teams still do well. LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Tech, Georgia,
43:22
Speaker 4: whoever you want. In Texas they kick kids out every year.
43:25
Speaker 4: And you know what, the next kid in line goes, well,
43:27
Speaker 4: I'm not that kid. I'm better than him and I
43:29
Speaker 4: can handle it. I'll make my point. That's people don't
43:34
Speaker 4: professional things. Don't think like that.
43:36
Speaker 1: I'm overthinking, you know, yes, you're way overthinking.
43:39
Speaker 4: Rokie because the Yankees, what was the Dodgers had the
43:43
Speaker 4: lefty of Kwa.
43:47
Speaker 2: Was he Dodgers or Yankees? He was Yankees with with
43:50
Speaker 2: the blue cloths.
43:50
Speaker 4: Another Dodger left you that came over like after Nomo
43:53
Speaker 4: and he was not.
43:54
Speaker 1: Very good I know, but now we're going way back.
43:57
Speaker 4: But that's I'm saying. But it doesn't matter. Yeah, because
44:00
Speaker 4: the next guy that comes over, who that whoever? That guy,
44:03
Speaker 4: I don't know who the next Japanese stud is coming
44:05
Speaker 4: over and the Dodgers give him the same amount of
44:08
Speaker 4: money and he's got a chance to win, and he's
44:11
Speaker 4: They say, well, I got a well man, Roki Sazaki
44:13
Speaker 4: had to go to Triple A. Whoever that Japanese guy,
44:16
Speaker 4: Korean guy, Dominican, American, whoever that guy is. You know
44:19
Speaker 4: what they're gonna say, I'm not him, I'm better than him,
44:21
Speaker 4: and I'll make it work. That's how these guys think.
44:23
Speaker 4: It's not that never hits anybody. Oh man, well he
44:27
Speaker 4: got to sit down. It's gonna they can do it
44:28
Speaker 4: to me. No, I'm not gonna be that guy.
44:30
Speaker 1: Last thing, Kim, I mean, he was hitting really well
44:33
Speaker 1: in spring training. They send him down, comes out and
44:36
Speaker 1: I was hitting. But I mean, whenever one's healthy, like
44:38
Speaker 1: Edmund's gonna come back, Mookie's gonna come back. They don't
44:40
Speaker 1: really have playing time for him. Looks pretty good right now.
44:43
Speaker 1: You can't use that case when you're recruiting someone in
44:46
Speaker 1: the future.
44:46
Speaker 4: And say, hey, other teams will use it against them.
44:48
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
44:49
Speaker 2: But there's still the Dodgers.
44:50
Speaker 4: As long as they're winning World Series and going to
44:52
Speaker 4: the World Series every year, guys are gonna want to
44:54
Speaker 4: go there. It's La It's the biggest market, especially Asian
44:56
Speaker 4: guys because Elida Tokyo La Soul. There's direct flights probably
45:00
Speaker 4: three four times a day. Right, it's easy. There's a
45:03
Speaker 4: there's an Asian culture already built into the city. Right,
45:07
Speaker 4: So yes, it does that doesn't It's you know what
45:11
Speaker 4: it is. It's reality and it sucks, and it's baseball
45:14
Speaker 4: in it's real world.
45:15
Speaker 1: Right.
45:15
Speaker 2: If you don't play well, you get shipped out. You're
45:19
Speaker 2: not good, you go bye bye. Sorry. Two two things.
45:24
Speaker 3: What would I think the Dodgers will have to decide
45:27
Speaker 3: what's more disrespectful but also helpful for his career. Sending
45:32
Speaker 3: him the triple A to be in the bullpen where
45:34
Speaker 3: he had success, I mean, to be in the bullpen
45:38
Speaker 3: in the big leagues where he had success and it
45:40
Speaker 3: looks like they're probably something wrong with Edwin anyway. Or
45:44
Speaker 3: is it send him a triple A where he's got
45:46
Speaker 3: to learn and develop and then you have a pitcher
45:50
Speaker 3: for They still have him for five more years, like
45:52
Speaker 3: they got five years of club control because you know
45:56
Speaker 3: he's not going to become a free agent anytime soon.
45:58
Speaker 3: And the next Japanese star that the Dodgers are gonna
46:01
Speaker 3: get is the sixteen year old Haruki Komoda. If you
46:05
Speaker 3: haven't seen him, he's ridiculous. He throws ninety five, he
46:09
Speaker 3: hits dangers. He looks like Aaron Judge compared to the
46:12
Speaker 3: other high school kids in Japan that he's playing against.
46:14
Speaker 3: It's crazy the video, But anyway, continue, Let's.
46:23
Speaker 1: Crack open this back and forth between Eric Lower and
46:26
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays slash John Schneider. Blue Jay's off to
46:29
Speaker 1: a slow start. I would say a top three team
46:32
Speaker 1: in terms of guys that are hurt right now. But
46:35
Speaker 1: Lower said this about following an opener to be real blunt.
46:40
Speaker 1: I hate it. I can't stand it, he said. It
46:43
Speaker 1: messes with his pregame routine as starters or creatures have habit.
46:46
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not something we will continue doing, but that's
46:49
Speaker 1: above my pay grade. John Schneider was asked about the comments,
46:53
Speaker 1: He said, I respect everyone's opinion. I know the end
46:56
Speaker 1: of his quote was it's above my pay grade, and
46:59
Speaker 1: it is definitely above his pay grade. How we use him.
47:02
Speaker 1: We are trying to win, and Schneider then said they
47:05
Speaker 1: talked in flowers on board with the plan. Kratz, what
47:09
Speaker 1: do you think here?
47:11
Speaker 3: I mean, good for him for saying it. We don't
47:13
Speaker 3: get a lot of that, but the reality is the
47:17
Speaker 3: team is trying to make the best decision. That's just
47:19
Speaker 3: willy nilly going with an opener. He struggles more against
47:23
Speaker 3: right handers, So if there's a lineup that he's facing
47:27
Speaker 3: starting that goes right, left, right, I guess that's the chance.
47:34
Speaker 3: While I'm not a I'm not an opener fan either myself,
47:40
Speaker 3: that's the best chance for them to say, Okay, well
47:42
Speaker 3: now we shortened the game to eight innings for you.
47:45
Speaker 3: Now you don't need to face those two righty's at
47:48
Speaker 3: the top of a lineup. And to me, it's one
47:54
Speaker 3: of those things he has to figure out. Is this
47:56
Speaker 3: helping him if he sits there and goes okay because
48:00
Speaker 3: I don't get to long toss and go right into
48:02
Speaker 3: the bullpen because my routine is different, like it really
48:05
Speaker 3: puts me in a bad mental space. I accept that
48:11
Speaker 3: I don't believe it. Like you're a big leaguer, you
48:15
Speaker 3: do have to figure it out. And some people don't
48:17
Speaker 3: get all the breaks, like they don't just cater to
48:21
Speaker 3: him to be a starter. But to me, I think
48:23
Speaker 3: it could be something that could be helpful for him.
48:25
Speaker 3: I think he could sit there and go, Okay, I
48:26
Speaker 3: don't have to face those top guys in the lineup
48:29
Speaker 3: three times through. I can make it longer in the game.
48:32
Speaker 3: I can give us more innings. I just have to
48:35
Speaker 3: figure out my routine. I think that's what he was
48:37
Speaker 3: hinting at, and I get that could be tough, but
48:40
Speaker 3: I kind of you gotta kind of figure it out.
48:44
Speaker 3: We always wanted someone to say this. Finally someone said it.
48:48
Speaker 3: Whether it's being the guy piggybacking an opener or being
48:51
Speaker 3: the opener, guys have said we don't like it, and
48:54
Speaker 3: guys have gone to arbitration and said they don't like
48:56
Speaker 3: it because it gives them a game starter, but it
48:58
Speaker 3: only gives them one inning pitch. Remember Ryan Stanick for
49:01
Speaker 3: a while was that guy, and he said it hurt
49:03
Speaker 3: his salary and now lower he's going to get to
49:06
Speaker 3: pitch the bulk.
49:07
Speaker 2: But when he goes to arbitration.
49:09
Speaker 4: Again, he's an arbitration.
49:10
Speaker 1: Well you know what happened. This is actually the perfect case.
49:12
Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying.
49:13
Speaker 4: But then he goes and they say, well, you're not
49:14
Speaker 4: a starter, You're just a bulk middal reliever, so you
49:17
Speaker 4: should be paid less. So I mean, there's a lot
49:20
Speaker 4: that goes into this, and the teams and openers have
49:22
Speaker 4: really usually worked has been on younger teams because they
49:25
Speaker 4: don't But when you're the Blue Jays and you have
49:27
Speaker 4: some older guys and Lower's probably the youngest of their
49:30
Speaker 4: starters that they have other than the Savage is not
49:32
Speaker 4: pitching right now, they're like, oh, we can do it
49:34
Speaker 4: to him. You're not doing this to Sureser, you're not
49:36
Speaker 4: doing it to Gosman, you're not doing to Barrios, You're
49:39
Speaker 4: not doing it to those guys. So in addition, but
49:42
Speaker 4: again I don't know because I don't watch the Blue
49:44
Speaker 4: Jays every day. Now John Schneider freaking snap back at him.
49:48
Speaker 4: It was like, you're right, it is above his pay grade.
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Speaker 2: So okay, So.
49:51
Speaker 4: What's the level of the pay grade that it has
49:53
Speaker 4: to be to where you don't get an opener? Is
49:56
Speaker 4: it Gozman, is it sures Er, is it Barrios? Is
50:00
Speaker 4: it Dylan Sneeze, Dylan Dana But in an opener, if
50:03
Speaker 4: it's left left left against Dylan ceas they're not using
50:05
Speaker 4: Eric lawers the opener, then bringing season in the second.
50:09
Speaker 1: That's correct.
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Speaker 4: So that's where the question for me is is what's
50:13
Speaker 4: that level of how high does your pay grade have
50:15
Speaker 4: to be in order to not have it?
50:17
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to give you like a little bit
50:18
Speaker 1: of the history here. So last year had a dynamite
50:21
Speaker 1: season three okay, but he had been trying to find
50:24
Speaker 1: himself and had some success as a multi inning reliever
50:27
Speaker 1: right and started building up the innings. In the past,
50:31
Speaker 1: there was a very clear drop off in his career
50:33
Speaker 1: after fifty pitches, so you're like, oh, this might be
50:35
Speaker 1: the right spot. But then he really starts to find
50:38
Speaker 1: it and all of a sudden, you had the injuries
50:39
Speaker 1: last year with Boden Francis and with Scherzer, he's thrust
50:43
Speaker 1: into the rotation. Fourteen starts from June eleven to August sixteen.
50:47
Speaker 1: He produces a three zero five ERA. On the season,
50:50
Speaker 1: he had a one thirty four ERA plus and over
50:52
Speaker 1: one hundred innings. He was great in the Alcs and
50:54
Speaker 1: the World Series, and then you get to arbitration and
50:57
Speaker 1: he loses. It sounds like because they were like, you're
51:01
Speaker 1: not a full, bona fide starter, and that's a good
51:05
Speaker 1: way to piss someone off. And all of a sudden,
51:08
Speaker 1: you're now in twenty twenty six, Crafts coming off a
51:11
Speaker 1: huge year. It's like, I couldn't have done anything better,
51:13
Speaker 1: and you're being asked to do the opener thing again.
51:17
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any factor there from what happens
51:20
Speaker 1: with arbitration for a guy who's not making I mean,
51:23
Speaker 1: some MLB players are rich, he's not racking in millions
51:26
Speaker 1: of dollars. I think the case was over like one
51:28
Speaker 1: point something.
51:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so his case was the argument was he
51:33
Speaker 3: actually got a salary decrease for everybody who didn't know
51:36
Speaker 3: his in twenty three. In twenty three, I think he
51:41
Speaker 3: made five million, and then in twenty four he was
51:45
Speaker 3: essentially not in the big leagues. So in twenty five
51:49
Speaker 3: he got a minor league deal, a non roster invite
51:54
Speaker 3: that ended up being a big league deal because he
51:56
Speaker 3: was in the big leagues, so he got a salary
51:59
Speaker 3: decrease and so that made him mad. But this is
52:02
Speaker 3: obviously a way bigger case. But when Hater had his
52:07
Speaker 3: arbitration case, they argued, you know, you're going multiple innings,
52:13
Speaker 3: so we're gonna we're not gonna see you the same way.
52:15
Speaker 3: And he's like, okay, I won't go multiple innings from
52:18
Speaker 3: now on. Now this is Eric Lower's career. This is
52:22
Speaker 3: not exactly like Josh Haters. But Josh Hater did that
52:27
Speaker 3: because he got dopped. It didn't mean he wasn't competitive.
52:30
Speaker 3: It didn't mean he didn't care about his team. It
52:32
Speaker 3: meant the system docked him. So why would you unless
52:37
Speaker 3: the teams are unafraid to be like, Okay, this is
52:40
Speaker 3: a this is an individual case. We're gonna we're not
52:43
Speaker 3: gonna docu you. Same thing with Lower. Lower's like, I
52:46
Speaker 3: think it's twofold. I think he feels like the routine
52:50
Speaker 3: messes with him, that he wants to be able to start.
52:52
Speaker 3: But also the arbitration part really matters because he's not
52:57
Speaker 3: he's not twenty five years old. He's not gonna have
52:59
Speaker 3: a ton of heydays. And so at thirty years old,
53:02
Speaker 3: you understand you just went through the arbitration process where
53:05
Speaker 3: they kind of screwed you. So I'm not gonna sit
53:08
Speaker 3: here and just hold my tongue the whole time.
53:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one quick note at the end here because
53:14
Speaker 1: he was coming over from Asia and this was like
53:15
Speaker 1: an MLB Labor Relations Department versus PA battle. Like this
53:19
Speaker 1: was like a case that was more mini landmark in
53:23
Speaker 1: the future. What will happen is what Ken Roosevelt wrote
53:26
Speaker 1: about in others Ever written too. You can negotiate language
53:29
Speaker 1: that allows players like that to become free agents at
53:31
Speaker 1: the end of their contracts. They're gonna push for that
53:33
Speaker 1: because of a case like this. So you know, he
53:35
Speaker 1: lost that battle. He actually probably helped a lot of
53:37
Speaker 1: guys going forward because of how this all played out.
53:39
Speaker 1: So it's still go kind of spilling into this year.
53:42
Speaker 1: Good debate, good and interesting discussion.