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- 1:40Speaker 1: Mario Draggy, the European Central Bank and interest rate policy
- 1:45Speaker 1: to stimulate the economies of Europe. Here to tell us
- 1:49Speaker 1: more is Dirk jon Epink. He is a journalist and
- 1:51Speaker 1: a Senior Fellow at the London Center for Policy Research.
- 1:55Speaker 1: He can be followed on Twitter at d j E
- 2:00Speaker 1: E p I n K and he also happens to
- 2:02Speaker 1: be the author of a book entitled Empire of Little
- 2:06Speaker 1: Kings inside the European Parliament. Thanks very much for spending
- 2:10Speaker 1: time with us, Thank you for having me. Now just
- 2:13Speaker 1: before we get into Mario drag in the U San
- 2:15Speaker 1: Central Bank, and so one just get people a snapshot
- 2:18Speaker 1: of what is it like to actually work inside the
- 2:20Speaker 1: European Parliament. What would be Is there an anecdote or
- 2:23Speaker 1: a story that best describes the because I've read the
- 2:27Speaker 1: book and I note that, you know, there are a
- 2:29Speaker 1: couple sort of idiosyncrasies, like try getting elected as a
- 2:33Speaker 1: member of the European Parliament from a country of which
- 2:36Speaker 1: you are not a native. That's yes, that's actually what
- 2:39Speaker 1: I did. I was the first Dutchman to be elected
- 2:41Speaker 1: in Belgium for the European Parliament, and legally spoken, it's possible,
- 2:45Speaker 1: because the European Parliament even supports that sort of legislation
- 2:50Speaker 1: to get elected in another country. But of course with
- 2:53Speaker 1: all these different cultures, it's very difficult to get elected.
- 2:57Speaker 1: You have to first of all speak the language and
- 2:59Speaker 1: set corently, you have to live there for quite some
- 3:02Speaker 1: time to show people that you are part of their
- 3:05Speaker 1: world and actually show them the least I was going
- 3:07Speaker 1: to show the police that well, yes, actually I had
- 3:10Speaker 1: to show the police in Belgium that I was really
- 3:13Speaker 1: living in Belgium at a home there. So it's altogether.
- 3:17Speaker 1: It's not not easy. For example, a Dutchman elected in
- 3:21Speaker 1: Belgium is difficult. I think it would be impossible for
- 3:25Speaker 1: a German to get a German to get elected in Holland,
- 3:29Speaker 1: or for for somebody from Ireland to get elected in
- 3:32Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, or somebody from Spain to get elected
- 3:35Speaker 1: in Portugal. Sold there there are in general seven hundred
- 3:38Speaker 1: and fifty members of European Parliament, but only a few
- 3:41Speaker 1: of them are re elected, really elected in a country
- 3:45Speaker 1: which is not the country of their nationality. You had
- 3:47Speaker 1: to change your accent, yes, because you know where Dutch
- 3:52Speaker 1: and Flemish are basically the same language. But there is
- 3:55Speaker 1: a difference in intonation, which you would also find in
- 3:57Speaker 1: the United States between a New york Or and somebody
- 4:00Speaker 1: from Tennessee or from Texas. So if as if as
- 4:04Speaker 1: a New Yorker, you want to be elected in Texas
- 4:07Speaker 1: or you would have a constituency in Tennessee, you have
- 4:09Speaker 1: to slightly adapt your your accent, and the same thing
- 4:12Speaker 1: you have to do in in Europe, because if a
- 4:14Speaker 1: New Yorker like Trump wants to get elected in Tennessee
- 4:18Speaker 1: and he sounds like Trump, then people will say well,
- 4:20Speaker 1: he's not really from here, um is he part of us?
- 4:24Speaker 1: So you get questions what as you have to get
- 4:26Speaker 1: their votes, so you have to create confidence. Talking about vote,
- 4:30Speaker 1: what has been your reaction to the vote in the
- 4:33Speaker 1: United Kingdom to leave the European Union. Well, there's something
- 4:37Speaker 1: I really fear that would happen, because in the end
- 4:41Speaker 1: the British were mobilizing all their celebrities to get the
- 4:45Speaker 1: remains side to win, and I thought, when they have
- 4:47Speaker 1: to do that all the time, something is wrong there.
- 4:50Speaker 1: And particularly I was very worried about the vote of
- 4:54Speaker 1: of lower income people and voters because the driving force
- 5:00Speaker 1: of that election, or that referendum rather was was was immigration.
- 5:06Speaker 1: And although the British have their own immigration system, they
- 5:09Speaker 1: got their borders, they are not part of an open
- 5:11Speaker 1: space of free circulation of people. They were under the
- 5:15Speaker 1: impression that this flow of people that came to Europe
- 5:18Speaker 1: last year as over two million to Germany only would
- 5:22Speaker 1: finally also come to the UK. And so immigration was
- 5:26Speaker 1: really the driving force that drove the British out of
- 5:28Speaker 1: the EU. The European Union and the European Central Bank. Yeah,
- 5:34Speaker 1: they don't always seem to see either eye do they Well,
- 5:38Speaker 1: you see, the European Central Bank is part of the
- 5:40Speaker 1: European Union, it's one of the institutions. But the Eurozone.
- 5:44Speaker 1: I always compare the Eurozone to somebody buying a secondhand car,
- 5:50Speaker 1: because if you look at the countries, there are different
- 5:52Speaker 1: philosophies on money, there are different philosophies on budget, economic thinking,
- 5:56Speaker 1: budgetary thinking. So it is not an optimal current his zone.
- 6:01Speaker 1: And if the secondhand card starts leaking, something is not
- 6:04Speaker 1: working and you have to muddle through and trying to
- 6:07Speaker 1: repair here fixed there another problem comes up, and that
- 6:10Speaker 1: is basically the euro Zone. Unfortunately, I have to say
- 6:14Speaker 1: we should have started initially with a smaller group, more coherent,
- 6:19Speaker 1: and then other countries could have joined when ready. We
- 6:21Speaker 1: didn't do that. We started with all of us, everybody
- 6:24Speaker 1: wanted to join, and now we have this problem. Do
- 6:26Speaker 1: you foresee that Mario dragged his policy of bond buying
- 6:30Speaker 1: and stimulus. Will it actually work? Um? Not really? In
- 6:35Speaker 1: European Parliament, I was member of the Economic and Monetary
- 6:38Speaker 1: Committee asked him very often, you know this q E
- 6:41Speaker 1: is now going to work because you're going to do it.
- 6:44Speaker 1: You're not going to taper anytime soon. I understand what
- 6:48Speaker 1: he tries to do is to keep the Euro as
- 6:51Speaker 1: a currency on his feet with a zero interest rate
- 6:55Speaker 1: and with q E. That is the thing he can
- 6:58Speaker 1: do because if not, if that would be a high
- 7:00Speaker 1: interest rate and there would be not enough liquid means
- 7:04Speaker 1: on the market, then basically many banks would get into trouble,
- 7:08Speaker 1: and uh in institutions as well. And I always compare
- 7:11Speaker 1: the Eurozone also to if if the United States you
- 7:14Speaker 1: have a dollar and you would have a monetary union
- 7:17Speaker 1: with Canada, that would work. But if you then ask
- 7:20Speaker 1: ask Mexico to join, would already be difficult. If you
- 7:23Speaker 1: then ask Venezuela to join, I can assure you will
- 7:26Speaker 1: be disaster. Thank you very much for coming in and
- 7:28Speaker 1: spending time with us. Dirk jan Epink, journalist, Senior Fellow
- 7:32Speaker 1: London Center for Policy Research and the author of Empire
- 7:37Speaker 1: of Little Kings inside the European Parliament. This is Bloomberg.
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