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Issue 401: Set Lightsabers on Stun · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the ned Palty.
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Speaker 2: Hi. This is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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Speaker 2: are listening to Aggressive Negotiations.
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Speaker 3: That's right, it's Aggressive Negotiations, the podcast that dares to
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Speaker 3: ask the questions that are on everybody's minds about the
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Speaker 3: Star Wars galaxy. I am one of your hosts, John Mills,
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Speaker 3: and joining me for just another humdinger of an episode
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Speaker 3: my dear friend, my fellow galactic explorer, Jedi Master, Matthew Rushing. Matt,
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Speaker 3: have you set lightsabers on stun? Yes, yes I have.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we've added this setting, John, because
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Speaker 3: these things. And speaking of working through things, Matt, it's
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Speaker 3: a fun topic tonight because and I remember in years
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Speaker 3: past people always say Star Wars or Star Trek and
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Speaker 3: it always pent in my brain because it was like,
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Speaker 3: well why not both? Like was there actually a competition
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Speaker 3: at any point? I don't think so. But stemming from that,
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Speaker 3: you know, just idly sitting there one day, here's the question,
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Speaker 3: is you know, when you get down to it, Star
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Speaker 3: Wars is definitely a clash of personalities as much of
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Speaker 3: it as it is ideals. So boiling it all down,
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Speaker 3: which Star Trek captain do you think would fare best
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Speaker 3: in the Star Wars universe? You're literally through some dimensional rift.
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Speaker 3: You pick up captain whomever you drop them off in
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Speaker 3: the Star Wars galaxy who's gonna rise to the top,
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Speaker 3: Who's the cream that's gonna be able to make it
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Speaker 3: through in this different milieu that has been set up. Now,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put one restriction on the answers. Cas Okay,
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Speaker 3: you can't go in and pull some obscure captain's name
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Speaker 3: from a novel that came out in like nineteen ninety
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Speaker 3: six or something like that. I would never get we got.
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Speaker 3: We gotta stick with stuff that's a well known captain,
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Speaker 3: a captain that that people will have seen. And I
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Speaker 3: will say it still counts if you go to say,
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Speaker 3: Star Trek Picard season three, because there's a captain sitting
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Speaker 3: in there that I think is a valid answer to
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Speaker 3: this as well.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, wow, yes, you know I'm not gonna pick
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Speaker 1: that one though, Okay, and this might actually really surprise you.
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Speaker 3: Okay, the person.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with is Captain James T. Kirk
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Speaker 1: from the Kelvin Timeline.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's the ultimate mix up. WHOA Okay?
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Speaker 1: So, because come on, Chris Pine and his portrayal is
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Speaker 1: such kind of a cross between Shatner from the original
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Speaker 1: series and the Prime timeline and almost like the Rogan
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Speaker 1: and the roguishness of like a Han Solo, right, And
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Speaker 1: so that's why I'm gonna go with the crisp pine
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Speaker 1: Kirk because I feel like he could easily fit his
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Speaker 1: way into basically being a scoundrel in the Star Wars
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Speaker 1: universe akin to Han Solo, because he's a character who
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Speaker 1: can kind of talk his way out of anything. And
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Speaker 1: so that's why I really do feel like this character
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Speaker 1: would be a great fit for the Star Wars universe,
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Speaker 1: that you could just drop him in and he'd be
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Speaker 1: able to figure it out.
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Speaker 3: See. The thing is, it's funny because there were so
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Speaker 3: many people that pointed out that Star Trek O nine
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Speaker 3: because you know it's pre Disney buying, you know, Star
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Speaker 3: Wars and lucasfilm from Lucas, they viewed Star Trek O
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Speaker 3: nine as Abrams making his own Star Wars movie with
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Speaker 3: a different person franchise. So I can see that sort
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Speaker 3: of thing and see how that likenes up. Now, the
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Speaker 3: thing is, ooh, man, see that's a great way to
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Speaker 3: throw a curveball, because I hadn't considered that there are
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Speaker 3: multiple Kirks you could choose from. Yes, that's a pretty
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Speaker 3: pretty cool thing.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, you asked the question, and my goal
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Speaker 1: was to bring it.
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Speaker 3: That's well, you definitely brought it there. I thought, I
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Speaker 3: really thought that mentioning Captain Shaw from Card season three
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Speaker 3: would mix it up a little bit because you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm also not going to pick Captain Shaw. But man,
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Speaker 3: oh man, I the thing is, okay, I agree Kelvin
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Speaker 3: Timeline Kirk played by Chris Pine. I would argue that
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Speaker 3: that version of Kirk is best suited to Star Wars,
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Speaker 3: believe it or not. In Star Trek Beyond, I think
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Speaker 3: that's the ultimate refinement of the character because we see
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Speaker 3: him also able to do a lot of a lot
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Speaker 3: of action beats that further support your your agree little.
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Speaker 1: Bit more mature, excellent point.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But coming back to Captain Shaw, like, there's a
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Speaker 3: part of me that still wants to pick him. But
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Speaker 3: I think it's just because I love the character and
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Speaker 3: the way he's portrayed, because he's just so he's such
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Speaker 3: a cool character. Like it's if the Card season three
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Speaker 3: wasn't as terrific as it is, he would still be
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Speaker 3: a terrific aspect of season three of that show. As
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Speaker 3: I reflected on it, you know that my heart wanted
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Speaker 3: to pick Cisco like really wanted to same same. And
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Speaker 3: the thing is, I'm trying to talk myself out of it,
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Speaker 3: But do you think that Cisco, in my brain is
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Speaker 3: a contender because we have the Bajoran mysticism aspect that
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Speaker 3: plays into it, Like, does that make me immediately think
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Speaker 3: that Cisco would lend himself to a galaxy with the
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Speaker 3: Force in it?
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Speaker 1: Okay? See, I love what you're thinking there, because I
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Speaker 1: do get the sense like Cisco could be a Mace
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Speaker 1: Window style character, but one that isn't so driven necessarily
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Speaker 1: by the rules. And so I one hundred percent agree
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Speaker 1: with you that that this could be a character that
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Speaker 1: really fits into the Star Wars you just into the
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Speaker 1: Star Wars universe because of this. And you know, I
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting too because Cisco would also I think,
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Speaker 1: be a a character then h who has a lot
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Speaker 1: of depth to him, right, like that that that that
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Speaker 1: you know he's not just kind of the straight up
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Speaker 1: hero Jedi character. There's there's dimensions to him there, you know,
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Speaker 1: the he contains multitudes, right, And so I could I
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Speaker 1: could absolutely see him him being a character that really
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Speaker 1: and a captain that you could drop into the Star
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Speaker 1: Wars universe and kind of see him be able to
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Speaker 1: fit in, especially very interestingly into the Jedi order. Maybe
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Speaker 1: a character then who feels a little.
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Speaker 3: Bit like.
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Speaker 1: Uh a Qui gon Jin, right where he's kind of
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Speaker 1: an outlier willing to kind of do his own thing, possibly,
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Speaker 1: which obviously we saw throughout the history of D Space nine.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, but as much as I want to pick Cisco,
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Speaker 3: I would actually wind up, and this is I think
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Speaker 3: a real dark horse candidate, I would actually wind up
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Speaker 3: picking Archer from Enterprise.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you got to tell me more about that,
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Speaker 1: all right.
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Speaker 3: So Archer from Enterprise is he's out there, he's encountering
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Speaker 3: you know, the unknown, the unexplored. He's out there winging it.
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Speaker 3: He's out there doing these giant adventure story arcs that
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Speaker 3: harke him back to the nineteen sixties, Kirk. But it
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Speaker 3: has a little bit more as a terrible word to
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Speaker 3: use in relation to this sort of thing, it has
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Speaker 3: a little bit more realism to it, Like it's a
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Speaker 3: little more grounded in terms of how it happens, in
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Speaker 3: terms of how he goes about it. And I would
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Speaker 3: argue that Archer would be the type of space adventurer
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Speaker 3: who would lend himself to moving through the Star Wars
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Speaker 3: galaxy because of all of the myriad things that would
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Speaker 3: be so foreign to him. I'm like, he feels like
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Speaker 3: a Clone Wars captain, and by that I mean not
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Speaker 3: that he feels like the captain of a ship on
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Speaker 3: the Clone Wars, but he feels like that era of
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Speaker 3: Star Wars. To me, he feels like a character that
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Speaker 3: could easily work within the Clone Wars because you have
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Speaker 3: all of these stories that are about encountering wild stuff
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Speaker 3: that you hadn't considered even a possibility by that point,
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Speaker 3: and so I think Archer gives us the most the
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Speaker 3: broadest range of experience when it comes to that.
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Speaker 1: I really like the way that you put that, especially
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Speaker 1: with thinking about that Archer is a character who's experiencing
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Speaker 1: the Star Trek universe for the first time, and you
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Speaker 1: know so much about Star Wars is about kind of
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Speaker 1: coming across things that you've never come across, Hero's Journey,
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Speaker 1: all of those type of things, and so that's I
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Speaker 1: can totally see him then being able to be kind
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Speaker 1: of plopped into this universe and be able to be
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Speaker 1: on a lot of different sides, right. You could see
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Speaker 1: him being able to kind of fit into various factions
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Speaker 1: in the Star Wars universe in a way that kind
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Speaker 1: of fits. So you could see him being able to
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Speaker 1: fit into a scoundrel or maybe an underworld. You could
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Speaker 1: see him being somebody who uh maybe possibly grows into
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Speaker 1: a powerful politician. You could see him being somebody who
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Speaker 1: is a Jedi, you know, and willing to explore that.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I think, as you know, when you you
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Speaker 1: talked about the clone wars idea, especially with what we
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Speaker 1: saw him as a character in season three of Enterprise,
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Speaker 1: I think you could really see that character then maybe
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Speaker 1: possibly being a part of like the onder On type
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Speaker 1: of rebellion type of story.
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I like that good poll.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so no, I I agree with that poll.
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Speaker 1: I think that's a that's a really interesting choice. And
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Speaker 1: you know, I've I've always really loved Archer as a
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Speaker 1: character anyway, and I'm a huge fan of Enterprise. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a show that just doesn't really get its
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Speaker 1: due and is saying sadly maligned for really no good reason.
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Speaker 3: It just had the misfortune of coming on air at
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Speaker 3: the wrong moment. I'll throw there. Also, Archer talks to
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Speaker 3: his dog in the same way that we've seen like
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Speaker 3: Luke and Anakin talk to our two, So I think
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Speaker 3: that might be playing a little bit. But I really
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Speaker 3: love this your idea of Kelvin Kirk because it really
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Speaker 3: does work. That makes me want to go back actually
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Speaker 3: and rewatch Star Trek Beyond, because that is just as
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Speaker 3: a final thought. Yeah, I still really want to see
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Speaker 3: Justin Lynn do a Star Wars movie. I look at
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Speaker 3: Star Trek Beyond and I able to deliver really unique
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Speaker 3: action sequences. I'd love to see that come into two
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Speaker 3: Star Wars. But that is a discussion for a different day. Obviously.
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Speaker 1: One thing I want to throw at you before we
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Speaker 1: get out of here because I think my wife and
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Speaker 1: I were on season five of Star Trek the Next Oration,
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Speaker 1: and I think one of the characters obviously on that
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Speaker 1: show that I think could easily be plopped in and
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Speaker 1: most interestingly would be somebody like a Captain per Card
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Speaker 1: as a member of the Jedi Order, moves a little
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Speaker 1: too stuck in his ways, you know.
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Speaker 3: I do.
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Speaker 1: Hmm.
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Speaker 3: That's interesting. I don't know that I see Picard in
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Speaker 3: Star Wars, except unless you're talking about him in like
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Speaker 3: a Laren type of role. I could see him as.
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Speaker 1: A interesting okay, yep, but not evil?
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Speaker 3: Is not evil? Is s b u?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
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Speaker 3: Good, yep, good you Lauren, you Lauren that I like
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Speaker 3: or or you.
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Speaker 1: Could see him being like and and this is where
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Speaker 1: I think most likely would would have that character is
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Speaker 1: being a diplomat or a politician, you know in the Senate,
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Speaker 1: you know, somebody who becomes like, I'm on Mathma type
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Speaker 1: of figure, you know, bail organa type of figure. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and so I think those are the places where you
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Speaker 1: could probably see that character. But yeah, that was just
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Speaker 1: a watching him. I was thinking, I just there was
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Speaker 1: something about him that I was like, I could kind
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Speaker 1: of see him just being this this Jedi that you
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Speaker 1: know is on the Council and just you know, as
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Speaker 1: a little bit too dogmatic for his own good.
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Speaker 3: So what I love most of all is that neither
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Speaker 3: one of us fell on the crutch of Kirk from
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Speaker 3: the original series or the eighties movies. Because as much
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Speaker 3: as I love love Captain James Tiberius Kirk, especially in
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Speaker 3: the eighties movies, I I just don't see that character
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Speaker 3: translate into Star Wars. It is another reason I commend
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Speaker 3: you for picking Kirk from Kelvin Timeline because that you know,
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Speaker 3: it didn't occur to me to think of him that way.
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Speaker 3: But original Kirk Man, I just can't. I can't see him.
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Speaker 3: It's such a unique character type, and I wish I
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Speaker 3: knew why. Because the thing is, I hear your arguments
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Speaker 3: for Picard. I think somebody could make arguments for Jane
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Speaker 3: way Be, you know, crossing over. There's an argument for
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Speaker 3: Cisco crossing over. There's an argument for archer Man. I
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Speaker 3: just don't see original Kirk crossing over into Star Wars.
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Speaker 3: He's just too uniquely suited to that Star Trek vibe
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Speaker 3: that you know. I mean, do you agree with me?
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Speaker 3: Do you think there's any argument or that original Kirk
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Speaker 3: type could ever make it over.
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Speaker 1: I think that the interesting part of that Kirk is
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Speaker 1: that he's so intrinsically tied to those the TS Federation ideals. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's the thing that kind of
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Speaker 1: makes it difficult for him to be there, Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: I think it's hard to almost divorce him from that,
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Speaker 1: which seems like almost weird to say, uh, But I
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Speaker 1: think partly it's it's not that he doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: roguishness like Chris Pine does, uh, and Chris Pine's Kirk does.
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Speaker 1: I think he definitely has that. But there's I agree
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Speaker 1: with you, there's just something that's so indelible about him
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Speaker 1: as the Captain of the Enterprise and the way in
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Speaker 1: which he is so wrapped up in discussions the Federation,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Directive and all that kind of stuff that
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Speaker 1: you know, it just seems like it would be a
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Speaker 1: hard thing to you know, get him on the get
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Speaker 1: him in the other franchise. So yeah, I mean some
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Speaker 1: fun picks. Honestly, this is one of those where I
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Speaker 1: want people to respond to us. Yeah, same, and tell
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Speaker 1: us what they think. You know, which captain they think
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Speaker 1: would would be in Star Wars and why?
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, as mentioned before, guys, go ahead
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Speaker 3: drop a note for us, let us know what you think.
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Speaker 3: But Matt, people can also bug you over on social media.
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Speaker 3: Where can they find you?
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Speaker 1: Hit me up on the name Matt Rushing zero two.
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Speaker 1: Just search whatever platform you're on. If I'm there, you'll
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Speaker 1: of Star Trek, tons of Star Wars talk. John Mills
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Speaker 1: a lot of great Star Trek talk actually, so if
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Speaker 1: you like Star Trek Talk, you know, doing shows on
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Speaker 1: Strange New Worlds is coming back this summer, so we'll
18:27
Speaker 1: be talking about that as well. But John, if people
18:29
Speaker 1: wanted to catch up with you talk about their favorite
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Speaker 1: Star Trek captains and why they should be in Star Wars,
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Speaker 1: where would they find you.
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Speaker 3: You can find me on the social networks as Kessel Junkie,
18:38
Speaker 3: Like Matt said for himself, if it's a network that
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Speaker 3: I'm on, that's where you'll find me. As Kessel Junkie.
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Speaker 3: You can find me right here on the Network co
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Speaker 3: hosting a show with Darren Moser and Tricia Riddell called
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Speaker 3: house Lights where we have a lot of fun and
18:51
Speaker 3: I find out that Darren and Tristan are WIMPs who
18:54
Speaker 3: don't appreciate the horror genre in the least and at
18:57
Speaker 3: least one of them will have their cars set on
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Speaker 3: fire by me at some point in the not too
19:02
Speaker 3: distant future. But Matt, so that I can go back
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Speaker 3: and get my kerosene and find out if there's a
19:07
Speaker 3: blowtorch setting on the lightsaber, I think it's time to
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Speaker 3: go back to the temple and close these negotiations.
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