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Rockets, Yeah · Made of Stars

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Speaker 1: Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
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Speaker 1: and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
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Speaker 1: known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
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Speaker 1: expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
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Speaker 1: that's your own risk.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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Speaker 3: When made of stars, made them stars, madies, When maida stars,
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Speaker 3: you could be from high they would New Mexicomus. Where
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Speaker 3: are stars?
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Speaker 2: When we are made of stars? I'm Wes Carol, joined
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Speaker 2: by my good friend, doctor Seaning, executive director at Columbus
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Speaker 2: State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center.
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Speaker 4: Hey Sean, Hey Wes, good to be here this morning.
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Speaker 2: Let's we got some launch some like rocket talk, some
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Speaker 2: some launch talk. You know, we often will have like
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Speaker 2: topics that are kind of similar. Today we've got like
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Speaker 2: three different rocket or rocket related stories. I guess first
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Speaker 2: and foremost is the UH SpaceX launching their thirty fourth
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Speaker 2: station resupply mission, getting ready to do that. This is
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Speaker 2: going to happen next week on the twelfth, so it
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Speaker 2: will have happened before our next show next week, and
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Speaker 2: UH they're going to be delivering you know, all the goodies.
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Speaker 2: I assume at this point nutella is now a standard
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Speaker 2: on some of.
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Speaker 4: I mean, if it's a cargo resupply, I'll bet nutella's
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Speaker 4: in there.
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Speaker 2: Some it should be. I mean, it used to be
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Speaker 2: so easy to go to the default tang joke. That
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Speaker 2: seems so dated and old now that we have nutella
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Speaker 2: to talk about.
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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe you only have to tell if you're
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Speaker 4: going to the moon. Maybe it's maybe the moon is
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Speaker 4: the destination of choice for the nutella eaters, whereas low
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Speaker 4: Earth orbit might be a different snack of some sort.
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Speaker 2: I suspect they've probably been sneaking some nutella up there
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Speaker 2: for a long time. And by sneaking I mean just
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Speaker 2: you know, packing it because you know it's delicious and
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Speaker 2: it's a way to have something chocolatey, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. This is my hunch. That's my guest.
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Speaker 4: Christina Cook has been to the ISS. The question would
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Speaker 4: be did she have nutella back then? Is is it
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Speaker 4: like a new fad for her to start taking nutella
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Speaker 4: to the moon, or has she been a nutella girl
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Speaker 4: all along? Was she eating nutella aboard ISS? I think
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Speaker 4: inquiring minds want to know we should find this out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, with this show that we do, we
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Speaker 2: occasionally get opportunities to talk with various astronauts. So I
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Speaker 2: think maybe we'll get a chance to bring it up
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Speaker 2: at some point with someone, maybe even her, I hope.
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Speaker 2: So they're doing the rounds, they've been doing interviews and ambassadoring,
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Speaker 2: so you know, we may get our shot with that.
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Speaker 4: But and there were somewhere in that mix, you know,
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Speaker 4: they're just they have us on the list, like, oh,
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Speaker 4: we got to get to that Native Stars podcast too,
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Speaker 4: talk with those funny guys.
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Speaker 2: That would be great, that would be that's right, And
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Speaker 2: we got a few astronauts that could put in a
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Speaker 2: word for us.
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Speaker 4: I need to true we do, we do.
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Speaker 2: I need to reach out to Katie, don't I. So
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Speaker 2: let's let's talk about what this mission is. What they're
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Speaker 2: taking up, you know, sixty five hundred pounds of cargo.
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna guess that some amount of it is Natella.
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming at least maybe a case of Natella. But
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Speaker 2: also experiments, and we talk all the time about Hey,
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Speaker 2: some new tests that they're doing, like they're testing the
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Speaker 2: gnat or something, and then they're doing it for the
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Speaker 2: sake of medicine and medical reasons and all this, and
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Speaker 2: we go, oh wow, that's great. And then and people go, well,
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Speaker 2: why are we wasting all this money on the International
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Speaker 2: Space Station? And then then you go, well, you know they're
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Speaker 2: doing science up there. We got labs on Earth doing science,
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Speaker 2: but they don't have the benefit of being you know,
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Speaker 2: in space. And in the case of and I remember
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Speaker 2: we had the study not long ago where they were
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Speaker 2: able to study cancer and say, well, you know, we
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Speaker 2: know where people are going to be, you know, six
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Speaker 2: months from now based on a cancer diagnosis because of
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Speaker 2: the science that we're doing now, and we can kind
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Speaker 2: of speed all this process up and see where things
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Speaker 2: are going to be and know that some treatments should come.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't think that's specifically what these experiments are,
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Speaker 2: but some other experiments that will take place that we'll
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Speaker 2: have just as much benefit to the purposes of science.
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Speaker 2: But I know there are some medical things in here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so a couple of a couple of just precursor things.
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Speaker 4: And then I really want to dive into that whole
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Speaker 4: pl point that West just made about the medical experiments
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Speaker 4: board ISS. So the first thing to know is hey,
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Speaker 4: if you want to actually see this launch, the window
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Speaker 4: for launch opens on Tuesday, May twelfth at seven sixteen
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Speaker 4: pm Eastern daylight time, and check out NASA dot gov.
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Speaker 4: They're going to have links for live coverage of the
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Speaker 4: launch of this next Dragon service mission. There's no people
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Speaker 4: on board, it's just cargo and as Wes said, saying,
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Speaker 4: about sixty five hundred pounds of that cargo launching up
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Speaker 4: to the International Space Station. If they don't launch from
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Speaker 4: Kennedy Space Center, they're launching this from the Cape Canaveral
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Speaker 4: Space four station in Florida. You might think, well, where
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Speaker 4: the heck is that. The answer is across the street.
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Speaker 4: It's literally across the street from the Kennedy Space Center.
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Speaker 4: So there's a there's a causeway. It's literally on the
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Speaker 4: other side of the causeway, it'll be a space launch
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Speaker 4: complex forty. And this is going to relate to another
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Speaker 4: story later on, which is there ends up. Because one
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Speaker 4: launch complexes right across the street from the other, they
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Speaker 4: occasionally run into space conflicts, right like traffic flow. It's
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Speaker 4: like a traffic jam at the spaceport down in Florida,
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Speaker 4: because obviously they can't launch two rockets simultaneously, or they
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Speaker 4: can't have rockets that are going to launch and be
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Speaker 4: in each other's way. So they do have to coordinate
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Speaker 4: all of these launches between the Space Force Station on
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Speaker 4: one side of the road and the Kennedy Space Center,
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Speaker 4: which is a NASA facility on the other side of
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Speaker 4: the road. All right, so that's all good. If they
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Speaker 4: get launched right at the first of the window, which
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Speaker 4: is at seven sixteen pm on May twelve, they should
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Speaker 4: dock with the International Space Station by Thursday, May fourteenth.
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Speaker 4: They're going to attach to the Harmony module, which is
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Speaker 4: one on one side of the International Space Station, and
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Speaker 4: then they begin to unpack all of the wonderful things like, oh,
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Speaker 4: I don't know, nutella or twinkies or whatever it is
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Speaker 4: they have in there. But then also some really important experiments. Now, well,
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Speaker 4: there are experiments that are going to be about investigating
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Speaker 4: the fundamentals of planet formation, about how to actually measure
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Speaker 4: sunlight that is reflected from either the Earth or the Moon,
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Speaker 4: about how charged particles can affect power grids and satellites
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Speaker 4: either on the Earth or around the Earth. So these
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Speaker 4: are all really important ones that are up there. There's
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Speaker 4: also a project that's going to examine how well that
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Speaker 4: ground based microgravity simulators actually simulate microgravity, so we know
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Speaker 4: how accurate the results of those experiments are compared to
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Speaker 4: honest to goodness microgravity when you're up there aboard the
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Speaker 4: International Space Station. So that's important. And again, this is
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Speaker 4: where I started to point out because largely of biomedical experimentation,
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Speaker 4: here's the important factor. Freends that when something is growing
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Speaker 4: inside your body, like a cell or a cancer cell,
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Speaker 4: or a bone or some bacteria or some of those
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Speaker 4: kinds of things, when it's in your body, it's in
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Speaker 4: what we would refer to as a hydrostatic equilibrium environment.
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Speaker 4: In other words, it's floating around in an equal pressure
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Speaker 4: environment inside your body. Think about the astronauts themselves when
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Speaker 4: they go to that giant swimming pool down in Houston
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Speaker 4: and they train for what it would be like to
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Speaker 4: be floating in space. Well, the inside that swimming pool
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Speaker 4: is a pretty accurate representation of what it's like to
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Speaker 4: float around in space. Well, it's also kind of an
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Speaker 4: accurate representation of how the cells and organs and just
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Speaker 4: biological systems are suspended inside your body as well, because
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Speaker 4: they're basically floating in that same kind of equal pressure
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Speaker 4: environment and so they float well. So then that makes
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Speaker 4: the microgravity environment of orbit a really good simulator of
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Speaker 4: what's happening inside the body. And as West pointed out,
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Speaker 4: we've talked about this on the podcast earlier on an
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Speaker 4: earlier episode when we talk about the way that cancer
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Speaker 4: cells grow. Yes, you can grow cancer cells in a
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Speaker 4: lab on Earth, but it's not in that hydrostatic equilibrium environment.
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Speaker 4: It's in a Petrie dish, and then gravity just flattens
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Speaker 4: it out. So you're really only getting kind of a
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Speaker 4: two dimensional look at how these cells grow. You're not
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Speaker 4: really getting the full three dimensional hydrostatic equilibrity in version.
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Speaker 4: So that's why it's better to do cancer research in
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Speaker 4: orbit to be able to grow some samples because of
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Speaker 4: the microgravity environment. Well, all that to say, the same
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Speaker 4: is true when you're studying red blood cells and the
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Speaker 4: way that your spleen produces those red blood cells. You
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Speaker 4: see on occasion astronauts have come back from periods of
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Speaker 4: time in low Earth orbit and their spleens are simply
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Speaker 4: not generating the number of red blood cells that they
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Speaker 4: were before they left. In other words, they come back
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Speaker 4: anemic and So NASA is working to help solve the
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Speaker 4: problem of anemia for astronauts coming back from space, but
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Speaker 4: they know that the best place to study that is
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Speaker 4: in their own microgravity environment aboard the International Space Station.
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Speaker 4: So one of these new experiments going up there is
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Speaker 4: specifically to study how red blood cells are generated in
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Speaker 4: microgravity versus in regular gravity environments, and that will hopefully
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Speaker 4: lead to a pathway to help astronauts come back not anemic.
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Speaker 4: But then any of the tens of thousands or hundreds
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Speaker 4: of thousands of people on Earth who suffer from anemia,
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Speaker 4: they have a pathway to potential healing or treatment, hopefully
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Speaker 4: due to the results of this experiment. All right, In
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Speaker 4: a similar manner, another thing that happens in astronauts is
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Speaker 4: they come back from space and they lose bone density.
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Speaker 4: It's just another one of the adverse health effects for
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Speaker 4: being in that space borne microgravity environment is that your
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Speaker 4: bones just don't need to be as strong and your
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Speaker 4: body starts signaling to its mechanisms, Hey, we don't need
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Speaker 4: to send so many resources to the bones because we're
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Speaker 4: not really using them right now. Well, then when those
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Speaker 4: astronauts come back down to Earth, they suffer from a
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Speaker 4: condition that's very similar to what aging people suffer as
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Speaker 4: they get osteoporosis in their older years. So one of
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Speaker 4: the experiments aboard this next mission up to the International
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Speaker 4: Space Station is called green Bone, and the Green Bone
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Speaker 4: experiment is literally trying to figure out if we can
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Speaker 4: use another kind of material that's not human bone to
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Speaker 4: be able to grow human bone cells onto. Now this
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Speaker 4: is important for astronauts to come back from orbit with
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Speaker 4: osteoporosis like symptoms, but it's also very important for people
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Speaker 4: who actually have real osteoporosis. And there's going to be
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Speaker 4: a certain kind of wood that is going to go
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Speaker 4: up to the space station that they're going to try
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Speaker 4: to grow these cells onto. It's a kind of wood
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Speaker 4: that can survive inside the human body. If they can
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Speaker 4: manage to grow these bone cells onto this wood in orbit,
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Speaker 4: they might be able to come back down and use
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Speaker 4: that same wood to do bone replacement surgery for people
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Speaker 4: who have serious osteoporosis here on Earth. And so that
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Speaker 4: project Greenbone a very important experiment, not just for astronauts,
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Speaker 4: not just for NASA, not just for space geeks, but
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Speaker 4: actually the hundreds of thousands of people who every year
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Speaker 4: suffer from the circumstances of osteoporosis. So just a little
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Speaker 4: slice of the kinds of research that take place all
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Speaker 4: the time aboard International Space Station. And yeah, NASA loves
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Speaker 4: to send down those videos where some astronauts are doing
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Speaker 4: a tumble in microgravity. They're sitting there spinning around, or
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Speaker 4: you know, they drop two balls and they don't really
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Speaker 4: go anywhere because there's no gravity, or they take the
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Speaker 4: straw blow you know, a sphere of water and go, oh,
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Speaker 4: look how water behaves. These are great. These are all
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Speaker 4: great demos for school kids, and that's one of the
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Speaker 4: reasons why they do those. But if you think that's
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Speaker 4: what the astronauts are doing all day, they are not friends.
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Speaker 4: They're working on cutting edge research both in physics and engineering,
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Speaker 4: but also in microbiology and medical applications aboard the International
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Speaker 4: Space Station.
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Speaker 2: Whenever there's a situation where there's a larger crew or
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Speaker 2: smaller crew, especially if there's a smaller crew, and we
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Speaker 2: talk about how, oh, now they've different chort chart or
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Speaker 2: whatever they've got to do around there, which is basically
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Speaker 2: just general survivability there with things they have to do
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Speaker 2: as far as eating and cleaning and whatever they got
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Speaker 2: to do. This is the other side of it, and
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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot more that they're doing up
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Speaker 2: there than just hanging out like in a hotel room.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're not at a resort. I'm sure it
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Speaker 2: probably at times feels like, hey, we're in this place
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Speaker 2: where very few people get to go and appreciating it
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Speaker 2: and all that, but it is that day to day
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Speaker 2: thing that they have to do, and I guess maybe
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Speaker 2: it sort of would be the equivalent of, you know,
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Speaker 2: if you were someone who worked in a science lab
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Speaker 2: during a pandemic where you were quarantined at home. I mean,
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Speaker 2: maybe that's kind of the way to look at it.
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Speaker 2: And they're having to do their work while also doing
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Speaker 2: the day to day things without being able to just
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Speaker 2: go outside, right, So I guess, you know, there's a
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Speaker 2: certain amount of that to it, but that reminder that
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Speaker 2: they're up there working and this isn't just hey we're
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Speaker 2: in space.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think the whole
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Speaker 4: concept of space tourism has helped, right because if people
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you got to be careful how
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Speaker 4: you consume media anyway, you have to really go the
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Speaker 4: extra mile and look for, you know, actual facts about
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Speaker 4: what's going on in the media. Right You can't just
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Speaker 4: take the first report off well Heaven's no off a
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Speaker 4: Facebook link or something and run with it. You really
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Speaker 4: need to do a little follow up research on your
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Speaker 4: own to figure out if to verify what you're seeing. However,
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Speaker 4: the idea is that space tourism has become so profligate
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Speaker 4: out in the media that maybe people just think that
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Speaker 4: the NASA astronauts are just tourists as well. They are not.
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Speaker 4: They are actually scientists and researchers and engineers and biomedical
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Speaker 4: people doing very important experiments that have the kinds of
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Speaker 4: real world applications that we just discussed in this segment.
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Speaker 4: So it's really interesting to know the direct application of
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Speaker 4: some of these experiments that are taking place aboard ISS
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Speaker 4: today and the fact that astronauts are carrying them out
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Speaker 4: up there for the benefit of all humankind, not just
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Speaker 4: as a space.
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Speaker 2: Tourist, even Canadians.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Jeremy Hansen, go there you go. That's all
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Speaker 4: I got.
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Speaker 2: More made of stars right after this. It has been
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Speaker 2: a while since we've had a story about Virgin Galactic
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Speaker 2: I don't remember the last time we had a story.
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Speaker 2: I know we've referenced them a few times whenever we've
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Speaker 2: talked about You talked about space tourism just a second ago,
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Speaker 2: so it's a good transition to get into this story.
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Speaker 2: But Virgin Galactic, they haven't gone the way of Spirit Airlines. No, no, no,
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Speaker 2: they're still around and they have a new space plane.
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Speaker 4: World Spirit. Anyway, Yeah, so.
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Speaker 2: The did you ever fly Spirit? By the way, while
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Speaker 2: I did not, you never had that pleasure?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, just you know, Frontier can't be very
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Speaker 4: far off that, but I flew Frontier, but not Spirit.
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Speaker 2: Just imagine a metal folding chair that you'd see, you know,
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Speaker 2: like at a church picnic kind of thing, just kind
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Speaker 2: of bolted to the floor and there you go for
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Speaker 2: the link to your flight. But it was very affordable.
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Speaker 2: It was very affordable.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I don't know how affordable Virgin Galactic is,
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Speaker 4: but you know, to make the segue, we're talking about
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Speaker 4: Virgin Galactic again, like those guys kind of fell off
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Speaker 4: the face of the Earth. Now listen. They had their
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Speaker 4: last civilian flight in June of twenty twenty four. This
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Speaker 4: would have been non NASA astronauts flying aboard you know,
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Speaker 4: the Virgin Galactic platform spaceship one, and then you know
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Speaker 4: they're very space planes. Well, it turns out that there
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Speaker 4: were some engineering difficulties and Virgin Galactic after that last
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Speaker 4: flight they kind of say, shall we say, dropped off
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Speaker 4: our radar because they quit flying tourists to space right
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Speaker 4: and they had to go back in and do a redesign.
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Speaker 4: We thought, oh wow, yeah, it'll be interesting to see
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Speaker 4: if they ever even emerge again, because at that time,
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Speaker 4: SpaceX flying all manner of space tourists, Blue Origin flying.
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Speaker 4: They've now flown nearly one hundred space tourists to space
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Speaker 4: over over more than thirty flights, and so so we thought, well,
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Speaker 4: let me say it differently, We didn't think anything about
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Speaker 4: Virgin Galactic. We just quit thinking about Virgin Galactic. Now,
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Speaker 4: I'm sure the good folks at Virgin Galactic did not
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Speaker 4: quit thinking about Virgin Galactic, but we as space commentators
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Speaker 4: were kind of like, oh, yeah, we haven't spoken about
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Speaker 4: them in a while. It's been like are they still around? So,
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Speaker 4: as I was prepping the show today, I put the
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Speaker 4: headline for Wes and I to say, hey, remember these guys,
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Speaker 4: And the story is in USAToday dot com Now, there's
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Speaker 4: nothing wrong with USA today dot Com as a news publication.
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Speaker 4: It's fine. It's just not one of the sources that
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Speaker 4: we typically quote on this show because we go after
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Speaker 4: space media and they're not strictly space media. So notice
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Speaker 4: that this is a story not coming from space media.
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Speaker 4: I actually, in my research tried to follow this up
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Speaker 4: with space media. Pretty much no one was talking about
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Speaker 4: it in the space media, so I had to go
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Speaker 4: with US today dot Com story.
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Speaker 3: So here it is.
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Speaker 4: Friends. Virgin Galaxy just rolled out their new space plane.
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Speaker 4: It's a first look at their new space plane. It's
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Speaker 4: a Delta class spaceplane that's designed to carry six passengers
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Speaker 4: to low Earth orbit, built for a quicker turnarounds. Well
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Speaker 4: hopefully it's also built to correct those engineering flaws that
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Speaker 4: were actually danger on the previous but that's okay, hopefully
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Speaker 4: that's all fixed now. So Virgin Galactic has plans to
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Speaker 4: restart its commercial suborbital tourism by the end of this
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Speaker 4: year twenty twenty six. And it's important to note that's
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Speaker 4: during a timeframe where Blue Origin, one of their number
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Speaker 4: one competitors for the suborbital market, has taken a hiatus.
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Speaker 4: So Blue Origin, after flying nearly one hundred people, including
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Speaker 4: Katy Perry to low Earth orbit, William Shatner, Michael Strahan,
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Speaker 4: a variety of people to low low Earth orbit. They
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Speaker 4: have taken a hiatus. They're on sabbatical right now. Why
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Speaker 4: is that true. Did they have engineering problems? Well, actually
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Speaker 4: they did a little bit, but that's not really the reason.
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Speaker 4: The reason they're taking time off over there at Blue
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Speaker 4: Origin is because they're actually focused on a race with
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Speaker 4: SpaceX to build the next lunar lander for the Artimus program,
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Speaker 4: and so they've shifted their engineers, their time, their resources
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Speaker 4: over to that race with SpaceX and away from what
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Speaker 4: they called the New Shepherd Rocket, which was taking tourists
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Speaker 4: to just over the Carmen line and dropping them back
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Speaker 4: down again. So this has opened up an economic window
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Speaker 4: of opportunity for Virgin Galactic because the Origins not out
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Speaker 4: there flying people. So so that's what Virgin Galactic is
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Speaker 4: hoping to take advantage of. They have rolled out their
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Speaker 4: new vehicle. They're letting people see it. They're getting it
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Speaker 4: out in the media, maybe not the space media, but
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Speaker 4: at least USA Today dot Com and Virgin Galactic estimates
21:35
Speaker 4: that these suborbital flights can begin by the end of
21:39
Speaker 4: the year twenty twenty six. They're hoping for as many
21:43
Speaker 4: as eight suborbital missions per month, hence the quicker turnaround
21:47
Speaker 4: on this vehicle. And it's called the Delta class because
21:51
Speaker 4: it's their fourth generation. They have named their spaceplanes something
21:56
Speaker 4: incredibly creative. They call it spaceship. All one word, capital S,
22:05
Speaker 4: capital s.
22:06
Speaker 2: They probably were sitting there going, wait, this is available,
22:10
Speaker 2: Like nobody's calling nobody's using this right now.
22:14
Speaker 4: What what did Elon call his He just called it ship,
22:18
Speaker 4: So wait a minute, the whole thing starship. But then
22:22
Speaker 4: the vehicle is just called ship.
22:24
Speaker 2: I feel like when I.
22:25
Speaker 4: Say, well, then spaceship's available. Well I see, well it's
22:29
Speaker 4: spaceship all one word, capital s, capital s, space ship,
22:34
Speaker 4: all one word.
22:35
Speaker 2: There's these moments every now and then, like you know,
22:37
Speaker 2: there's a company that just sells like you know, almonds
22:40
Speaker 2: and pecans and things, and when I see their ads,
22:43
Speaker 2: I go like, they actually got the website nuts dot com,
22:48
Speaker 2: like that was available well into this whole process, or
22:51
Speaker 2: maybe they went out and spent a whole lot of
22:53
Speaker 2: money on it, uh from some weirdo. But the point is,
22:57
Speaker 2: like they probably were in the same moment where they went, Wait,
23:00
Speaker 2: nobody's calling it spaceship. This is just me kind of
23:05
Speaker 2: like when I hear stories about Virgin, I have to like,
23:12
Speaker 2: and we were talking about like, okay, we've talking about
23:16
Speaker 2: flying airlines like Spirit that's gone. We've done We've flown
23:21
Speaker 2: Virgin Airlines, Jill and I have. We've done that trip
23:24
Speaker 2: to Australia with Virgin. I don't know that they still
23:26
Speaker 2: do those flights anymore. I don't think they still do,
23:29
Speaker 2: or at least last time we went last year, they weren't.
23:32
Speaker 2: But when I see a company and you talk about
23:35
Speaker 2: opening this door up for space tourism, what I kind
23:38
Speaker 2: of see and part of this broader conglomerate that is
23:41
Speaker 2: the Virgin group which has the airlines and also has
23:47
Speaker 2: Virgin Galactic as part of this and the same umbrella,
23:51
Speaker 2: is it, Like I just see this as being the
23:54
Speaker 2: company that's like really eyeing these round the world trips
23:59
Speaker 2: those you know, get up and back down in shorter
24:02
Speaker 2: amounts of time, And I feel like, I know the
24:05
Speaker 2: tourism thing is obviously there what partially gets us there
24:09
Speaker 2: And we talked before about how you know, the rich
24:12
Speaker 2: people were the ones who could do the transatlantic flights first,
24:15
Speaker 2: or even just flying in general to begin with, and
24:18
Speaker 2: pave the way for it to be more affordable for
24:20
Speaker 2: everybody else. But I just this is just what I
24:24
Speaker 2: feel like Branson and this company are doing, is they're
24:27
Speaker 2: looking for this way to get people from point A
24:29
Speaker 2: to point B on the Earth and the shortest amount
24:31
Speaker 2: of time possible. Because they are they're designing these really
24:35
Speaker 2: cool planes that are capable of doing that.
24:38
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that we have. Again we've
24:40
Speaker 4: talked about it before because it's a really important topic.
24:43
Speaker 4: Point to point. Using suborbital flight just seems like a
24:48
Speaker 4: market that what somebody might be interested in doing. Like, Hey,
24:52
Speaker 4: I got to get to Sydney from New York and
24:54
Speaker 4: I got to get there in three hours. Yeah, we
24:56
Speaker 4: have we have a vehicle here you go, jumble board
25:00
Speaker 4: the Virgin Spaceship, which.
25:03
Speaker 2: By the way, a three hour flight from the US
25:06
Speaker 2: any point in the US to Sydney would be amazing
25:11
Speaker 2: and a game changer and a life changer, all these
25:14
Speaker 2: things that you just go, wait a minute. It also
25:17
Speaker 2: would create a situation where so many people I know
25:19
Speaker 2: that go I would love to go down there but
25:21
Speaker 2: I just can't handle that long flight. It makes the
25:23
Speaker 2: whole planet smaller if you're able to do that and
25:26
Speaker 2: you're able to make a trip. I mean, it feels
25:28
Speaker 2: like when I hear people say, like the flight to
25:31
Speaker 2: Paris is, Oh, it's only that long. But cutting that
25:34
Speaker 2: down to something really short or flying you know, coast
25:38
Speaker 2: to coast for some countries, it would make a big
25:41
Speaker 2: difference in that. I don't know, I just kind of
25:43
Speaker 2: feel like they're seeing that feels to me like there's
25:48
Speaker 2: not really a likelihood. I think that unless they call
25:52
Speaker 2: us and say, we're looking for these guys that do
25:54
Speaker 2: this podcast, we want to send them up on one
25:56
Speaker 2: of these just you know, go up, kiss the Carmen line,
25:59
Speaker 2: come back down. Absolutely, I don't know that I'm ever
26:02
Speaker 2: going to be at a point in my life where
26:03
Speaker 2: I'm going to go, I got the money for that
26:06
Speaker 2: kind of space tourism, and that's not going to be
26:08
Speaker 2: me in my lifetime. I don't see it being that way.
26:11
Speaker 2: I could see there being a great benefit to many
26:15
Speaker 2: people for a plane that could do those international trips
26:17
Speaker 2: and that speed, and it being an absolute game changer
26:22
Speaker 2: for the whole planet.
26:25
Speaker 4: So you know, there's there are things that not I'm
26:29
Speaker 4: not trying to sound like Arthur C. Clark here, but
26:31
Speaker 4: there are things that were just on the cusp of
26:34
Speaker 4: right yep. I'm looking at quad copter air taxis and going,
26:41
Speaker 4: you know, why is that not a thing? Like? And
26:44
Speaker 4: I know there are companies out there developing It's not
26:46
Speaker 4: an original idea of mine. They are putting this, they're
26:49
Speaker 4: implementing this, But that's like, yeah, that should be a thing,
26:54
Speaker 4: A kind of suborbital point to point space plane. Also
26:59
Speaker 4: seems like it's like it's like Concord, except it's even faster.
27:04
Speaker 4: And while you can't beat the view and you might
27:08
Speaker 4: get that little astronaut pin because you go above the
27:10
Speaker 4: Carmen line and you go New York to Sydney. I mean,
27:13
Speaker 4: I don't know, like, so so is Virgin just on
27:16
Speaker 4: the cusp of that kind of space transport? Is it
27:20
Speaker 4: actually a transportation system rather than just a joy ride.
27:23
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're I don't know what their
27:25
Speaker 4: idea is. I certainly know that is going to happen.
27:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my hunch on what they're doing. I mean,
27:30
Speaker 2: this is a company that knows about airlines, right, they know.
27:35
Speaker 2: I just feel like they're they're kind of in this
27:37
Speaker 2: spot where they could stand to benefit a lot from this,
27:42
Speaker 2: because if they get out there first and they become
27:45
Speaker 2: sort of that you know, that band aid if you will,
27:48
Speaker 2: of plastic strips for it, and they figure it out,
27:51
Speaker 2: they've got it worked out how to do it as
27:53
Speaker 2: an airline, then that is you know, we could sit
27:56
Speaker 2: here all day and say, hey, there they're missing out
28:00
Speaker 2: on some of these other things that SpaceX and Blue
28:05
Speaker 2: Origin are moving forward towards. But I just feel like
28:08
Speaker 2: they're not just grabbing scraps. I think there is some
28:10
Speaker 2: serious meat available for them if that's what they're doing.
28:14
Speaker 4: Mister Branson, we know you listen regularly. We'd like to
28:16
Speaker 4: invite you onto the show to discuss your thoughts about
28:19
Speaker 4: point to point suborbital flights and and just as just
28:23
Speaker 4: as a side note, I was doing a little checking
28:25
Speaker 4: while Wes and I were just chatting here. The domain
28:28
Speaker 4: spaceship dot com is not unclaimed. However, it is available
28:32
Speaker 4: for purchase, so mister Branson, you might want to pick
28:35
Speaker 4: that one up too. Well, maybe maybe you want to
28:37
Speaker 4: fly the plane first.
28:38
Speaker 2: That's true, see if it works.
28:40
Speaker 4: But then go ahead and pick up the domain because
28:41
Speaker 4: it's I'm thinking, I'm thinking about renting it. You know,
28:44
Speaker 4: I can. I can hold onto it for you, mister
28:47
Speaker 4: Branson for a bit, you know, just in case, just
28:50
Speaker 4: in case this works out and you want the web
28:52
Speaker 4: domain spaceship dot com.
28:54
Speaker 2: More made of Stars. Right after this, let's talk about
29:18
Speaker 2: launching rockets from c This idea that like they were
29:27
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna we're gonna launch rockets and then we're
29:29
Speaker 2: gonna land them on a little floating pad at sea
29:32
Speaker 2: and then use them again. It seemed like a crazy thing.
29:36
Speaker 2: I think there's no way this is something that I mean,
29:39
Speaker 2: eventually they can get there, but it doesn't seem like
29:41
Speaker 2: something they're realistically going to be able to do, uh
29:44
Speaker 2: anytime soon. Oh, they've already mastered it, Okay, exactly if.
29:48
Speaker 4: They if they would have incorporated that into the plot
29:50
Speaker 4: of a Bond movie, you have all the space eager,
29:53
Speaker 4: you can't land rockets. The season are two rough and
29:56
Speaker 4: oh wait elon, did it okay? Sorry?
29:58
Speaker 2: And now and does it over and over again? Yeah,
30:02
Speaker 2: So this idea, I guess once you've kind of mastered that.
30:06
Speaker 2: In general, it seems reasonable to think that, uh maybe
30:10
Speaker 2: a company could launch rockets from a platform in the water.
30:14
Speaker 4: Are you kidding? It can't be done.
30:17
Speaker 2: And no way, and it is now moving in that direction,
30:22
Speaker 2: which really becomes interesting as a game changer to use
30:26
Speaker 2: that term again because once the uh the FAA is
30:31
Speaker 2: not involved, I mean, you know, you could just start launching.
30:36
Speaker 2: You you could launch Willy Nilly? Is that available as
30:39
Speaker 2: a rocket named Willy Nilly?
30:40
Speaker 4: Is Willy Nilly launched? Complex? Let's look that one up anyway.
30:44
Speaker 4: So the story we're referring to you friends is on
30:47
Speaker 4: spaceflightnow dot com today as we're recording the show, and
30:52
Speaker 4: that would be May the sixth, So offshore space.
30:56
Speaker 2: Launches May the seventh. I'm sorry, we got to get
30:58
Speaker 2: it right for people are going back.
31:00
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, that's just me going through the time warp.
31:02
Speaker 4: It is the seventh. I think I signed my last
31:05
Speaker 4: you know, document has made the sixth. But that's okay,
31:07
Speaker 4: it's fine. I'm just a mid level government manager. Doesn't matter,
31:11
Speaker 4: all right. So Lockheed is joining forces with Firefly Aerospace
31:15
Speaker 4: and Seagate. Seagate I've heard a little bit of before.
31:20
Speaker 4: I don't know as much about them, but Firefly Aerospace
31:23
Speaker 4: has put payloads on the moon friends.
31:26
Speaker 2: They're the ones that make the hard drives, aren't they.
31:28
Speaker 4: Is that I'm not sure it's the same Seagate.
31:31
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to look that up while you're talking.
31:32
Speaker 2: I'm curious.
31:33
Speaker 4: Maybe it is. Maybe that's just you know, they're diversifying Seagates.
31:38
Speaker 4: Gateway offshore launch platform is what you might want to
31:41
Speaker 4: look up. But anyway, so so, Locke Martin is joining
31:44
Speaker 4: forces to develop an offshore launch facility for Firefly Aerospace's
31:53
Speaker 4: Alpha rocket. Now, just for perspective, the Alpha rocket built
31:58
Speaker 4: by Firefly Aerospace is just about half the size of
32:02
Speaker 4: a Falcon nine, right, so it's a smaller rocket. It
32:05
Speaker 4: doesn't have the payload capacity that Falcon nine has, but
32:09
Speaker 4: it's a legitimate launch platform in terms of a vehicle. Now,
32:15
Speaker 4: what if they could take that rocket and put it
32:17
Speaker 4: on some kind of a floating launch platform. Oh wait,
32:21
Speaker 4: like the one being developed by Seagate, which is called
32:25
Speaker 4: the Gateway. And what if they could all work together,
32:29
Speaker 4: Lockey Martin, Firefly Aerospace, and Seagate and actually come up
32:34
Speaker 4: with a launch platform that could move off shore into
32:40
Speaker 4: international waters and launch from the ocean and be suddenly
32:46
Speaker 4: unfettered by particular governments and government agencies, maybe like the
32:52
Speaker 4: one that Wes just mentioned, the FAA, which we certainly
32:56
Speaker 4: know has been a handshaker two with SpaceX over the years.
33:00
Speaker 4: So the idea is, hey, you could suddenly not be
33:04
Speaker 4: in the traffic jams occurring at the Kennedy Space Center
33:08
Speaker 4: or right now, the only place Firefly Aerospace can launch
33:11
Speaker 4: is that the Vandenberg Space for Space down there in California.
33:17
Speaker 4: What if we could just put it on a barge
33:18
Speaker 4: and float it out to sea and launch it anywhere
33:21
Speaker 4: in any time that we wanted. Well, that would be
33:25
Speaker 4: really interesting. And remember that Locke Martin they work in
33:30
Speaker 4: strategic and missile defense systems. So what if this could
33:34
Speaker 4: be an application of launchable rockets from c that also
33:41
Speaker 4: potentially had missile and defense system implications. Well, that opens
33:46
Speaker 4: up a whole new door, right, Okay, So we're gonna
33:50
Speaker 4: hear from Jonathan Caldwell, vice president and general manager of
33:54
Speaker 4: Lockey Martin Strategic and Missile Defense Systems. He says this quote.
33:58
Speaker 4: The three companies will work together on mission application concepts
34:01
Speaker 4: and flight demonstration projects that leverage seagates Gateway offshore launch platform,
34:08
Speaker 4: the sea based launch facility combined with Fireflys response Alpha
34:12
Speaker 4: launch vehicle will provide rapid, flexible access to space from
34:17
Speaker 4: diverse locations and essential capability for tactical payloads and national
34:24
Speaker 4: security missions. That's an interesting set of language, friends, that
34:32
Speaker 4: lead us to a whole new model for launches, a
34:36
Speaker 4: whole new mode of launching from c and just a
34:40
Speaker 4: whole new mode of rocket operations that can make us
34:43
Speaker 4: a more secure country, which is really important. It would
34:46
Speaker 4: use what Seagate calls a quote purpose built offshore spaceport
34:51
Speaker 4: designed specifically for launch operations unquote. Now another statement from
34:57
Speaker 4: Sean Fortner, he's the president and ce of Seagate Space.
35:02
Speaker 4: He said, this partnering with Firefly to align our Gateway
35:05
Speaker 4: platform with their Alpha vehicle is a major step toward
35:09
Speaker 4: making offshore launch a particularly a particular I'm sorry, a
35:13
Speaker 4: practical reality for the industry. We're building a platform designed
35:17
Speaker 4: for mobility, responsiveness, and global access, key features that complement
35:22
Speaker 4: our current launch infrastructure, unquote, says Sean Fortner, president and
35:28
Speaker 4: COO of Seagate Space. So there you go, friends, three
35:32
Speaker 4: very powerful important space companies combining together to develop the
35:37
Speaker 4: new technology of go anywhere on Earth floating launch bases basically, right,
35:46
Speaker 4: you're talking about basically a spaceport at sea. So that
35:51
Speaker 4: is a whole new it's a whole new thing. That's
35:54
Speaker 4: a whole new capability, and we're looking forward to watching
35:57
Speaker 4: how that progresses. You can read about that again on
36:00
Speaker 4: Space White noow dot com.
36:03
Speaker 2: Just the maintenance on this. I looked it up Seagate
36:06
Speaker 2: Space Corporation, not affiliated with the data storage people. So thought, man,
36:11
Speaker 2: if we just had the whole, like you know, Umbrella
36:15
Speaker 2: a Virgin I thought, man, that would have been a
36:16
Speaker 2: great tie. And if we had two stories that connected
36:19
Speaker 2: that way. But no, just they're two separate companies all together.
36:23
Speaker 4: Missed it by that much.
36:24
Speaker 2: I know when I see a Seagate hard drive sitting
36:27
Speaker 2: right over here external hard drives sitting right next to me, I've.
36:30
Speaker 4: Had a Seagate hard drive that I'd like to launch
36:32
Speaker 4: the space By the way, I'll just tell you that.
36:34
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, all right, James Webspace Telescope again
36:39
Speaker 2: dazzling us, this time with I guess they're studying the
36:43
Speaker 2: surface of an exoplanet for the first time.
36:46
Speaker 4: No, let's pause and say that in dramatic voice, for
36:50
Speaker 4: the first time, the very surface of an exoplanet has
36:56
Speaker 4: been observed by the James Webspace.
36:58
Speaker 2: Telescope, and there's people waving too.
37:03
Speaker 4: They had signs they were protesting, so I don't know
37:06
Speaker 4: what that was about, but something like that. No, none
37:08
Speaker 4: of that. In fact, people would be hard pressed to
37:11
Speaker 4: live on this particular planet because it is tidally locked
37:15
Speaker 4: around its parent star, which means one side faces the
37:18
Speaker 4: parent star all the time and the other side never
37:22
Speaker 4: sees the parent star, so it's always dark, all right. Well,
37:25
Speaker 4: the James Webspace Telescope grabbed a glimpse of the of
37:31
Speaker 4: the side that is the day side that faces its
37:34
Speaker 4: parent star all the time, and they figured out that
37:37
Speaker 4: it's about thirteen hundred and forty degrees fahrenheit on the surface.
37:42
Speaker 4: So if you're going to have a protest, if you're
37:43
Speaker 4: gonna use a cardboard sign, the cardboard sign is going
37:47
Speaker 4: to deteriorate rapidly in the over thirteen hundred degree fahrenheit
37:52
Speaker 4: environment of this particular exoplanet. Now, the exoplanet's name is
37:56
Speaker 4: LHS thirty eight forty four B. That means there's an
38:01
Speaker 4: LHS thirty eight forty four A, which just interesting because
38:06
Speaker 4: B is so close to its parent star that it
38:09
Speaker 4: orbits every eleven hours. So a year on this planet
38:14
Speaker 4: is eleven hours long. Say that again, One orbital period
38:19
Speaker 4: around its parent star, which we call a year here
38:21
Speaker 4: on Earth, is a mere eleven hours for the LHS
38:26
Speaker 4: thirty eight forty four B planet. That's because it's orbiting
38:30
Speaker 4: very close to the surface of a red dwarf star,
38:33
Speaker 4: one of the smallest type stars that we find in
38:36
Speaker 4: the universe. Hence the reason that it's tidally locked, and
38:40
Speaker 4: hence the reason that it's very very hot on one
38:43
Speaker 4: side because it's really close to the surface of that
38:46
Speaker 4: parent star. That'd be interesting. Go ahead.
38:48
Speaker 2: I've lived a couple of days it felt like that,
38:51
Speaker 2: so you know, I've experienced that couple. I've experienced it
38:56
Speaker 2: both ways. I've had a couple of like eleven hour
38:59
Speaker 2: workday it certainly felt like a year. And then I've
39:02
Speaker 2: also added the other way, where I've had, like, you know,
39:04
Speaker 2: a year that felt like eleven hours. So you know,
39:07
Speaker 2: it could go either way. That could be a plus
39:09
Speaker 2: or a minus, is all I'm saying.
39:11
Speaker 4: I've also had eleven hours that felt like I was
39:13
Speaker 4: in thirteen hundred and forty degree heat. Yeah, just say,
39:17
Speaker 4: Bishop California. If anybody knows that place, go check that out.
39:21
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're keeping score at home on this,
39:22
Speaker 2: because this is one of my things, is that's nine
39:26
Speaker 2: seventy seven point five nine four kelvin case you're converting
39:32
Speaker 2: to Kelvin, I like to use kelvin.
39:34
Speaker 4: Kelvin well, and if you visit Bishop California, Kelvin's the
39:37
Speaker 4: appropriate scale.
39:38
Speaker 2: Fair enough. Yeah, so it feels like that here sometimes.
39:42
Speaker 4: In fairness to the good friends at the Tourist of
39:43
Speaker 4: Department of Bishop California, it's a lovely place to visit
39:46
Speaker 4: six months out of the year.
39:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
39:50
Speaker 4: So that other six months might feel like you're on
39:52
Speaker 4: the surface of LHS thirty eight forty four B. And
39:56
Speaker 4: I don't mean the far side of that, I mean
39:59
Speaker 4: the sun facing side. Ye okay, all right, So anyway,
40:02
Speaker 4: So the point about this, though, is this, the measurements
40:05
Speaker 4: from James Webspace Telescope did not come simply from the
40:09
Speaker 4: atmosphere of this planet or from some lingering gases hovering
40:13
Speaker 4: above the surface. That is typically what when we measure
40:17
Speaker 4: exoplanets at all. The measurements have come from the gas.
40:20
Speaker 4: The thin gaseous envelopes around these planets. These are actually
40:24
Speaker 4: direct measurements from the rocks on the surface of this planet.
40:29
Speaker 4: And yes, it is a rocky world at that incredibly
40:32
Speaker 4: high temperature. It's because these rocks are almost all the salt.
40:37
Speaker 4: Basalt is a form of lava rock, and in that
40:42
Speaker 4: dark volcanic rock, JWST has detected signs of iron and
40:48
Speaker 4: magnesium commonly found on places like the Moon and Mercury
40:54
Speaker 4: for comparison. And so this is a really interesting scientific breakthrough,
41:00
Speaker 4: not because we found a new tourism hotspot that we
41:02
Speaker 4: want to go visit, but simply because we've developed a
41:05
Speaker 4: new capability from the James Webb Space Telescope that we
41:09
Speaker 4: can now measure the surface of a distant world directly
41:15
Speaker 4: with one of our space telescopes. Now. The lead author
41:18
Speaker 4: for this study is Sebastian ZeVA. He's from the Harvard
41:21
Speaker 4: Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and Sebastian had this to say, quote,
41:25
Speaker 4: this planet likely only contains little water. Unquote. I think
41:34
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I needed the JWST observations to tell
41:37
Speaker 4: me that. I mean, it's it's orbiting as parents start
41:40
Speaker 4: with an eleven hour year. It's really close to the surf.
41:43
Speaker 4: I was probably gonna guess there wasn't much water on it,
41:46
Speaker 4: but okay, it's good to have verification. So so here
41:48
Speaker 4: we have it.
41:49
Speaker 2: Friends, they say it's it's not the heat, it's the humidity.
41:53
Speaker 2: So they don't have that at least at least at
41:58
Speaker 2: least they don't dry that's.
42:00
Speaker 4: Right, at thirteen and forty degrees. Fair enough, it's a
42:03
Speaker 4: dry heat on the surface of LHS thirty eight forty four.
42:06
Speaker 2: People more made of stars right after this. So this
42:30
Speaker 2: week you guys wrapped the final performance of Music under
42:34
Speaker 2: the Dome at Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center,
42:37
Speaker 2: and this is the one to close out on, isn't it.
42:41
Speaker 4: It was a great concert. Dan Tepfer, who is one
42:44
Speaker 4: of the world's leading experts in interfacing digital pianos with
42:47
Speaker 4: large screen format theaters, came in and played on a
42:52
Speaker 4: starship of a piano that lives in our planetarium full time.
42:56
Speaker 4: It's called the Yamaha disc Lavier. It was provided to
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Speaker 4: Columbus State University through a very generous grant a gift
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Speaker 4: from Gail Greenblatt. A gift of that piano to the
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Speaker 4: Schwob School of Music here at CSU, and Shrop has
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Speaker 4: placed it permanently on loan, while send me permanently on
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Speaker 4: loan here at Columbus Ctate University's goal Space Science. That
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Speaker 4: are where we performed the music under the Dome concert series.
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Speaker 4: So performers come in and use that piano and a
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Speaker 4: variety of other instruments to perform these concerts, and then
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Speaker 4: space artists like our own Lands Tankers, Lee, the director
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Speaker 4: of our Omosphere Theater Planetarium, produce original graphics to go
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Speaker 4: along with these concerts that are choreographed to the music. Now,
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Speaker 4: that's what normally happens, but with the last Dan Tepfer concert,
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Speaker 4: he was actually controlling the visuals that were going onto
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Speaker 4: our dome via the disc lavie piano and some custom
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Speaker 4: software that he's written, so that site and sound extravaganza
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Speaker 4: was completely original. It won't be repeated ever again because
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Speaker 4: it can't be because they did improvisational pieces and I
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Speaker 4: say they not like Dan has two personalities. Dan also
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Speaker 4: performed with some performers from the show Up School of
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Speaker 4: Music Real Time. It was a great concert if you
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Speaker 4: think you'd like to know more about that and how
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Speaker 4: to attend one of those concerts, Well, you're going to
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Speaker 4: have to follow us on Facebook because sometime later this summer,
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Speaker 4: we will be releasing the first ticket availability for next
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Speaker 4: season's music under the Dome here at the Clumbus State
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Speaker 4: University Coca Cola Space Science Center. So those concerts will
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Speaker 4: start back up again in the fall. But now we
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Speaker 4: hear we transition to our summer mode and we are
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Speaker 4: now jumping in with full feet into summer programming, like
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Speaker 4: our summer Academy for Robotics, like our summer Robotics camp
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Speaker 4: that we have, like our summer observing that we do
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Speaker 4: with our observatory, and we have a brand new show
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Speaker 4: in our Omnisphere Theater called Dinosaur a Survival Story. These
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Speaker 4: are all some of the the great things that you
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Speaker 4: can participate in here at Columbus State University's Coca Cola
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Speaker 4: Space Science Center this summer. How do you do that?
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Speaker 4: Where do you start? Start at the website friends www,
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Speaker 4: because we used to type that every time we had
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Speaker 4: a website. Dot cc SSC dot org. Charlie Charlie SamSam
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Speaker 4: Charlie dot org, cc SSC dot org. Check out the website.
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Speaker 4: You can find out all the information about shows, about programming,
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Speaker 4: and about our summer camps all right there at the
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Speaker 4: homepage for the Space Science Center.
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