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Rogue Invitational Wrap-Up Day 2 - Laura makes a move and the Athletes were on Display · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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what is going on everybody
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welcome to saturday
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afternoon crossfit talk oh
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uh it is day two of the
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rogue invitational and I do
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want to say one thing like
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I am I'm a bit torn
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because you know this show
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likes to follow our
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semi-final athletes and a
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lot of them are doing
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desert city classic this
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weekend and I hate that
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it's getting almost
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completely ignored because
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rogue is overshadowing it
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rogue is awesome rogue is
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great um and I guess desert
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desert city screwed the
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pooch with the scheduling um
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But they probably didn't
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know because Rogue did move
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it ahead a couple of weeks
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from typical time.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah,
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they but like I was I was
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watching Hattie and C.J.
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Gerald and Madison and all
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those guys kind of taking
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it on this weekend.
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and rooting from afar um for
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them uh but and I'm trying
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to get messages out to them
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wishing them luck this
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weekend and you know
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wishing we could be there
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and cover it or do
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something like that um but
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it sucks that they don't
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stream yes because there's
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some really good athletes
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there is brian there I
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don't believe so I believe
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he's at rogue oh is he
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He's on his European tour.
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Um, uh, I know that, uh, our,
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our other friend is there.
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Oh yeah.
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He was there last year.
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He was there last year.
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I remember watching like all
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of his IG lives trying to catch heats.
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Um, and that was super helpful.
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So that, yeah,
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that sucks for them not
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having someone there streaming for them.
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Yeah,
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I think we talked about it last week
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about things that could
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improve the season and CrossFit growth,
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and that is stream everything.
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Yes.
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Even if you have to do it on a cheat.
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This is a grassroots sport anyway, right?
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So it's okay that the video
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is grassroots to start.
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Screw the haters in the chat.
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Just get it somewhere where
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people can watch some events.
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Yep.
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And that helps the sport grow.
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Yep.
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It doesn't have to be just
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rogue and water Palooza and whatever.
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So, you know,
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I've been a lot of thoughts
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in my head for next season.
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Like what,
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what really should be our focus?
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What should we do to kind of
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help this out?
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Because I want,
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I want to show to be able
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to continue to do and stuff
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to talk about.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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We need a season.
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We need a, yeah.
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Yeah.
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so now off of my soapbox and
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back to rogue um big news
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today uh we'll probably
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lead with that but I got up
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at five a.m to start the
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watching of this event
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you're better than the rest
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of us from bed
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Fell asleep between events four and five.
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I woke up in time to see five.
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Watched that and then got up,
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really got up and came down
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and then pulled up the
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tailgate party and all of
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that kind of stuff to watch.
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But we'll get to the events in a second.
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But the big news of the day
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is it appears that two of
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the athletes ruptured
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Achilles on the dual event six.
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That was Gabby Magawa,
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who was absolutely crushing this weekend.
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I know.
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And it looked like finally
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taking that step from a
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really good teen athlete to
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a great individual athlete.
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Yeah, I was incredibly bummed for her.
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And she was doing well in the event.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah,
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she was beating the people that made
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the finals in her heats
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before the rupture happened.
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And we don't have
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confirmation that it's ruptured.
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It just appears that is what
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happened before.
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I did watch the Savan recap
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of the last event.
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James Sprague came on,
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said that Heinrich stated
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that he felt Heinrich
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Kappelainen felt like
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someone hit him in the back of the leg,
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which is the same thing
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everybody who ever ruptures
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their Achilles says.
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And then he said it did not
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look good for Gabby.
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She was...
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a mess in the back.
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Oh, I'm sure.
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All that kind of stuff, right?
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So that happened.
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It's devastating.
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Heinrich is another guy
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who's been coming up in
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that European region and
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getting better and better every year.
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Achilles tears are like a
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full year minimum.
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I know.
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Yeah,
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I don't see how she will be ready to
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compete in the
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Yes, you can skate through the open,
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but... No way.
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Yeah, there's probably no way an online,
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you can make it through a semi, right?
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Lynn says Heinrich confirmed his on IG.
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Oh.
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You know,
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I'm good friends with Chelsea Nicholas.
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She ruptured her Achilles at
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the CrossFit Games.
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Her doctor warned her not to
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do the open almost a full year after.
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Yeah.
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That it really needs
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eighteen months to heal.
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And if you try to do too
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much before the eighteen months,
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it could rupture again.
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Okay.
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And that is,
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and Chelsea did like the most aggressive,
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the Aaron Rodgers version
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of the Achilles repair.
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Mm-hmm.
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Um, and if you know, Chelsea,
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she is dedicated to rehab.
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She is dedicated to working out.
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She did everything in her
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power to move this along.
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And it's, it's a tendon.
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You can't work a tendon and
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you have to let it heal.
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So, uh,
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Amar,
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are we going to get flagged for the
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Rogue event going?
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I don't think the audio
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would flag us for anything.
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We're not showing anything.
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I got it turned all the way down.
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I don't think that would even flag us,
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to be honest.
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But anyway,
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talking to her through her recovery,
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like in the steps and where
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she needed to be,
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like this is just going to
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be a long haul.
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Yeah.
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And you need to be patient.
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You need to let it heal.
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Yep.
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So it is.
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And if you're talking to me,
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if you're talking to me,
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if you're talking to me,
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if you're talking to me,
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if you're talking to me in months,
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that's through next season.
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Yep.
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And even probably like into like January.
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Yeah.
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That's,
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it's awful to make this much progress.
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Probably feel like you, you, you know,
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you're at your peak fitness and.
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have that just ripped, ripped away.
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So I do have a couple of
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comments that are probably
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not going to go over super well,
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but you know, there's, I,
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I saw on Instagram, you know,
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the PFA was right there.
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Why didn't they do anything about it?
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These are not things that this is sport.
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People get hurt in sports all the time.
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You are, by definition,
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pushing your body to its
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limit to be the most
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successful athlete you can be.
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When you do that,
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things are going to happen.
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Yeah.
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I know it's a controversial
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topic with the box jump
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overs and when it's
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programmed as a mandatory
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step down for safety.
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I personally agree with it.
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I agree.
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I think the problem with in
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these comps with like if it
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was just that event, if it was, you know,
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even maybe the open or in Europe,
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like that's one thing.
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But they just ran pretty far yesterday.
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Like their calves are tight.
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so when you have these
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multi-day events to not
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think about the safety and
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kind of mitigate that stuff
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when they changed it to the
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burpee the burpee get over
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I was like that's what I
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assumed it was when I saw
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her get up and over or
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whatever I was like oh it's
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gonna be a burpee over I
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don't know why that
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wouldn't have been
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programmed that way in the
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in the get-go I am not
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blaming the pfa no no no not at all
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Um, what I will say is to, to you is yes,
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should,
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should safety be a thought in your
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programming,
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but at some point it's on the
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athlete to decide,
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am I going to push this to
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this level or not?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I agree.
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This could have been one
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without the rebounding.
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I don't know about that.
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I don't, I think,
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do I think you maybe could
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have made it into the top
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five without rebounding?
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Maybe if you were a fast
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enough sled pusher.
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Yes.
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But you were not winning
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this event without rebounding.
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I don't know.
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I just, I think that.
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Like, you take the sport of football,
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right?
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And they try to keep it as
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safe as possible for all of the players.
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But at some point,
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the linebacker has to decide,
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am I going in at a hundred
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miles an hour to tackle this guy or not?
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Right?
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And that's up to the athlete
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whether they feel that the
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risk is worth the reward.
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I agree.
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I don't rebound.
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I...
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I wouldn't do it even if I
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was going to lose out
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several spots because of it.
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Um, but I'm old and got to protect.
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So, um, and in, you know,
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masters athletes have to go back to a job,
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right.
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And they have to do this stuff.
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So,
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Kipping it real says,
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we still wear helmets and
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pads even though it makes us slower.
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Yes, that's your choice.
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Well, and it's probably mandated.
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The league actually probably
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makes that a mandate.
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I just... I'm tired of the blame game,
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I guess, with every... Now,
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with every safety issue,
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we're looking for someone
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to point fingers at.
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And at some point, like...
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It is up to the athlete.
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And Lynn makes a great point.
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Laura made it to the finals
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before she started rebounding.
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Yep.
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Right.
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And then at that point,
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she said the risk was worth the reward.
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So I think that.
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Not everything is a
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programming issue or a PFAA issue.
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At some point,
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we are just athletes pushing
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ourselves beyond our limits.
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I do it at a local comp,
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and I'm not even getting paid for it.
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Right?
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I made the decision in the
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last year that I am never
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competing again.
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Because my mind, I cannot shut off,
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and I push to a point where
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I get injured.
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And I just have to stop competing.
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So...
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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it's one of those hindsight things.
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I mean,
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I would have programmed burpee box
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getovers,
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burpee hay bale getovers from the get-go.
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I don't understand.
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That is even more like full
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body explosive power showmanship.
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So I would have preferred to
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see it that way from the get-go.
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It was really fun to see Guy and Brent,
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their speed on that.
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So I think that would have
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added a little bit more excitement to it.
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But yeah, hindsight's twenty twenty.
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Like now that you see it, you're like,
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yeah,
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we should have probably had the
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burpee in there.
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I, I will say.
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OK.
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If they would have
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programmed the burpee from
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the beginning or the
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beginning of the men's run,
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I would have been fine with it.
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I hated the change midway through.
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Yeah.
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Like, yeah, it was a little weird.
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I was like, oh, OK.
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I think at that point,
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you then manipulated it.
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At the end of the day,
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I don't think the results
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would have been any different.
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Probably not.
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Right.
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The same people that were
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doing well before were doing well after.
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But I think on the women's side,
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it would have made a difference.
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I think it would have made a difference,
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too.
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And I just think you would
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have seen a little more
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global fatigue out of that burpee.
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I just think that would have
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probably been the way to go, but...
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I would have been fine if
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they would have done that
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from the beginning or the
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beginning of the men's event.
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I hated the fact that they
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changed it midway through.
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It's just another ding in
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the armor of being a
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professional or a more legit sport.
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You don't stop a baseball game and say,
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hey,
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we're moving the mound back three
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feet for the safety of the batters.
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You just don't do that.
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And so I just found that to
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be a bit egregious.
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But at the end of the day,
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I don't think it actually
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affected the results.
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Guy was going to win that regardless.
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Yeah.
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And I say this all the time.
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We dog him.
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We dog him because he has these big holes.
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But my gosh, is he athletic.
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And he just looks pretty doing it.
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When he runs, it looks like an athlete.
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Except for yesterday on
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shuttles when everyone
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complained that he was... Not true.
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But I'm saying today, like in that event,
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he looked majestic.
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The way he would come off of that...
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hay bale and like way out so
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he was already leading that
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run so I didn't watch this
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live and saw the alert like
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through heat one that there
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was an injury and I at
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first in my head I was like
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I wonder if it's the
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like pulling that um I
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thought maybe it was a back
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injury from just like
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yanking that thing up the
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stairs but and then I was
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thinking what right before
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I saw it start I was like I
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almost bet it's from
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jumping off to start the
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run like I thought somebody
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rolled an ankle did
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something and then finally
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got to it and saw it and it
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was actually kind of hard
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to spot I was like waiting
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for it because it was
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coming but I was like
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in Gabby's heat,
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I was like watching Danielle.
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And then I was like, we had to rewind.
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I was like, Oh, well,
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you just notice an empty
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lane when they come out.
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That's,
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that's the only reason I even
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noticed it was like four
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people were running down instead of then.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Do you, so keeping it real says,
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I have a question.
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Does Gabby hold her points
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and then get placement or withdraw?
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Yeah.
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I'm assuming she keeps her points.
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Yeah, but I don't know.
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It's up to the event
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organizer how they set that up.
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If it's a withdrawal or...
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Because sometimes a
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withdrawal just pulls you out.
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Yeah.
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And that's what happens at the games.
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If you withdraw, then you...
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You fall to wherever you are.
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Like,
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it happened after cuts at the games
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when people withdrew, and so they fell.
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Like...
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When Ellie withdrew,
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she fell below the cut line
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because she did it before the next event,
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and they let Kelly move up and in, right?
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Right.
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And then when Jamie Simmons did it,
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she did it,
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and she fell to twentieth
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because they had already
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moved into the next day,
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even though she didn't
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start the next event,
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and we've made many bones about that.
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Well,
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she just kept her place at twentieth.
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Right.
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Well, she wasn't twentieth.
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She was eighteenth or something.
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And then they, she fell to.
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Well, yeah,
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because people started getting
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points over.
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That's the thing.
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Like that'll depend on her gap.
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Right?
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Like she couldn't get lower
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than at that point because
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no one else was behind her.
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But so had people continued
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and more people with four
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more events had accumulated
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more points than Jamie.
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That's she would have wound
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up where she was,
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but she kept her points.
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Yeah.
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I know someone in here asked
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a question about how did it happen?
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Oh yeah.
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Is it a, yeah, I saw that too.
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Uh, novice question right here.
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Novice question,
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but do they rupture out of
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not enough practice rebounding?
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Like even in B ball,
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they get ruptures all the time.
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I don't know what causes them to rupture.
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I don't have the answer to this,
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but Sean Rocket,
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who is the orthopedic
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surgeon at the CrossFit Games,
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he commented on a Hiller
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post that he actually did a
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video on why this happens.
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Okay.
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And it's about the angle of
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the foot and the way it
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lands at a certain angle
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that stretches the Achilles.
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Okay.
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And so I think it's if your
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foot gets out of alignment
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of like over the ankle and over the shin,
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then the Achilles stretches further.
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Yeah,
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because your foot is out of position.
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But he does have a video on
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his YouTube channel that
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explains why it happens.
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I just haven't had enough
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time to go watch it to get
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the full explanation.
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All of my knowledge comes
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from Chelsea Nicholas who
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blew hers out and we became
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friends and I just followed
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her rehab through her recovery.
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Yeah,
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I mean in my came on late keeping it
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real but our grant and she
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actually is the one that told me
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Yeah.
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In my mind,
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it would seem like it'd be a
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stopping starting like that.
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Like this format is for me
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in my mind would be like
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the worst format for it to
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possibly happen.
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But I have no clue because
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every other time we've seen it,
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it's been like bigger,
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dense sets and it happens.
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So I don't know if it's an
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accumulation and that's why
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they're getting out of
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alignment or but I can't I
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can't imagine that the
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stopping and starting and
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going back to that movement helps.
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Yeah, I would just say on Instagram,
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it's three, two, one,
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go MD is Sean Rockets account.
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And I don't know what his
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YouTube channel name is,
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but I'm sure there's some
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reference to it in his Instagram.
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But he does comment on
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Hillers a couple times.
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He answers some questions for people.
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And then he then he finally says, hey,
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I did a video on this a little while ago.
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Go check it out.
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It's about the foot angle.
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So.
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go check that out with Sean.
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And he's helped us out a ton.
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He came on when we did the
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documentary with Emily Rolfe,
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explaining her injury and
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how she came back from that
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and all of that.
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He's a really good dude and
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willing to answer any
20:58
questions you might have there.
21:01
So yeah, so the day, gosh,
21:08
started early and we did...
21:12
The first one was that the row, right?
21:14
The row.
21:15
Yeah.
21:16
The row thruster ring muscle up.
21:18
Uh, no, the log must look right.
21:23
No log muscle up was with the, oh yeah.
21:26
Yeah.
21:26
Yeah.
21:26
Log.
21:27
Yeah.
21:27
Yeah.
21:27
Yeah.
21:28
Log muscle up.
21:30
Um, and then back down thruster and, uh,
21:35
row row.
21:36
Yeah.
21:38
And so that went pretty well.
21:41
Did it?
21:44
I thought it was fine,
21:45
but like we talked last night,
21:47
that log muscle-up ate people up.
21:49
Yeah.
21:50
Once again, like over-programmed.
21:53
I mean,
21:56
six people on the men's side and
21:58
five people on the women's
21:59
side finished the event?
22:02
Well, I think the cap was short for sure.
22:04
Right.
22:05
So either figure out your
22:06
time caps or Laura,
22:08
if you're limited by time slots,
22:12
then you got to shorten the reps.
22:13
I don't know.
22:13
Maybe you do.
22:14
Twenty-five thrusters and
22:16
twenty-five log muscle ups.
22:18
Um, yeah.
22:22
Yeah.
22:22
I, when Emmett's hall didn't really break.
22:29
And got capped as she was
22:31
running to the finish line
22:32
in the first heat.
22:33
And we didn't have a single finisher.
22:34
I was like, this is going to be rough.
22:37
Yeah.
22:37
And we,
22:37
and we didn't what we got three
22:39
women finished.
22:41
Yeah.
22:41
I don't know.
22:43
Four.
22:43
No,
22:43
I think we got five Alex and then four
22:46
in the next heat.
22:47
So five finished.
22:49
Cause he had out of heat one,
22:50
four people in heat too.
22:54
Yeah.
22:55
Yeah.
22:56
Tia, Laura, Gabby.
22:58
They were all from Alex.
23:01
Alex finished and he won.
23:05
Oh,
23:05
you've moved on to number five with the
23:07
Sear Dumbo?
23:08
No, no, no.
23:10
Oh.
23:10
I'm on event four.
23:11
I'm just looking at the leaderboard now.
23:13
Okay, yeah.
23:14
Alex finished.
23:14
He had five finish.
23:16
Right.
23:17
Alex finished and he won.
23:19
Alex Kazan, Ariel Lowen, Laura Horvat,
23:21
and Tia.
23:22
Yeah.
23:24
In that reverse order.
23:28
Bruce,
23:29
this is what I said to her last night,
23:31
and it flew over like a lead balloon,
23:33
so you can try today.
23:36
But I do agree.
23:38
The caps were way short.
23:41
You're not going to... Maybe.
23:46
I don't know.
23:46
I mean,
23:50
that argument is... That's like...
23:53
You programming for Tia is only...
23:57
not good for the sport at
23:59
all tia is in a world of
24:02
her own and it's no uh lynn
24:08
says caps were aggressive
24:10
today all around yeah they
24:12
were yeah the next event
24:15
didn't have hardly any
24:16
finishers at all so well if
24:19
tia's not good for the
24:20
sport let's not cater to
24:22
her and program around her
24:25
T didn't win today.
24:26
Did she, she won the first event.
24:28
She won this event.
24:29
Yeah.
24:30
Okay.
24:31
Yeah.
24:31
And then on the men's side, uh,
24:34
the top five were, uh,
24:37
Ricky Gerard finished first
24:38
with Dallin pepper.
24:39
Second, uh, Jeff Adler, third, Jay Crouch,
24:42
fourth, and Yona Koski fifth.
24:46
Yona make an appearance this weekend.
24:48
Finally.
24:48
Yeah.
24:50
So this was the one you
24:51
thought Heinrich would do
24:53
well on being taller, bigger hands.
24:55
I was hoping you wouldn't bring that up.
24:59
Well, my two like big things were,
25:01
were I have lining and Sprague's,
25:04
but both taller athletes
25:06
not being good on that log muscle up.
25:09
Um, and I was actually pretty,
25:11
I was pretty surprised with James.
25:16
And then Hopper not improving.
25:17
I, you know,
25:18
we talked about maybe he got a
25:19
hold of one, did some practice.
25:21
I had hoped he would have
25:24
shored up that weakness a little bit,
25:26
but even in his talking had like,
25:28
it sounded like he knew
25:29
this was still going to be not great.
25:32
Um,
25:32
Yeah.
25:33
On the tailgate party,
25:34
they were making fun because, uh,
25:37
so the buttery bros were
25:38
there for the second event that today,
25:40
and they were saying they
25:41
tried to talk to him and he
25:43
wouldn't talk on camera
25:44
before that fourth event,
25:47
but he had talked to them
25:48
on camera telling him he
25:49
wasn't going to talk on camera.
25:52
And they're like, he is just a big ham.
25:54
He always wants to be on camera,
25:56
but he was like pretty
25:57
nervous about that first event.
26:00
Um,
26:03
But yeah, anyway.
26:06
Yeah.
26:10
I mean, the men's was more exciting.
26:11
They all made it to the row, right?
26:13
It would have been really
26:14
nice if you could have,
26:14
if there was a screen where
26:15
you could have see the,
26:16
like at the marathon row
26:17
where you could see the boats traveling,
26:19
that would have been cool
26:20
because that was the race.
26:22
It would have been cool to
26:22
see where people were at.
26:24
But because on the men's side,
26:27
like Adler came out of nowhere, it seemed,
26:29
but he may have been ahead
26:30
the whole time on the row.
26:34
The way they called it was that,
26:38
I'm sorry.
26:41
Yeah.
26:41
So Adler,
26:44
Brent was ahead of him and Yona
26:46
was ahead of him.
26:47
Well,
26:48
it was Dillon that like was gaining
26:50
on the row.
26:51
And I don't think Adler knew
26:52
he was coming.
26:53
And then Dillon got off,
26:54
but like we had no urgency.
26:57
Like, oh,
26:59
Adler almost caught him in the
27:00
finish run.
27:01
Yeah.
27:04
It was a good race, but you're right.
27:06
The cap was pretty aggressive,
27:08
unless that's what their intention was,
27:11
to show off that this was
27:12
for the elite and only a
27:13
few elites could finish.
27:17
And we don't know the reasoning behind it.
27:19
There was something here I
27:20
wanted to... Lynn said that
27:23
Ricky surprised me,
27:24
but I keep underestimating
27:25
his athleticism.
27:27
I...
27:28
You know, talking to Justin,
27:30
I know that like rogue is
27:32
not the ideal event for Ricky.
27:34
Yeah.
27:35
He lacks like some of that
27:36
top end strength to compete,
27:39
but just pure athleticism
27:42
and the ability to go dark
27:44
at times and make up ground.
27:46
And like, I totally do underestimate that.
27:49
And I don't know why I keep
27:50
doing it this week,
27:52
especially in my heat one picks.
27:53
Um, but he's been,
27:56
he's been phenomenal and
27:57
really fun to watch.
27:58
Yeah.
27:59
He, I mean, he's just, I don't know.
28:02
It's hard to like,
28:03
keep putting your money on Ricky.
28:05
Cause he there's times where
28:06
he seems to not,
28:07
and I understand he got hurt at the games,
28:08
but like seeing, I don't know,
28:10
you just get let down a lot.
28:11
So it's, it's hard to root for him.
28:17
Yeah.
28:19
So then in event five on the men's side,
28:22
Uh, was our rope climb, seer bell.
28:26
Yep.
28:26
Uh, devil's press.
28:27
Yep.
28:29
Uh, I,
28:31
it wasn't a surprise to me that
28:32
Jason Albert did well.
28:33
No.
28:35
Um, I figured he would do okay.
28:37
Um, and then we had Jeff Adler in second,
28:40
Ricky Gerard in third, uh,
28:42
Brent Fikowski in fourth
28:44
and Dallin pepper in fifth.
28:47
Yeah.
28:47
And then in sixth,
28:48
he did good right before
28:50
the devastating news.
28:52
Yeah,
28:53
Ricky did surpass my expectations in
28:55
this one.
28:57
Yeah, he handled the dumbbell really well.
28:59
I was surprised that most people did.
29:02
I couldn't see Emily Rolfe,
29:05
but I was watching her
29:07
numbers tick on the side
29:08
and she seemed her pace was
29:10
like outpacing some others.
29:11
So I was like,
29:12
she must be crushing this dumbbell.
29:13
I couldn't see her.
29:16
But I would,
29:16
I would have liked to seen her
29:17
move it because yeah, some of them,
29:20
some of them that I thought
29:21
would move it really well,
29:23
didn't look as fluid as I
29:25
thought they would.
29:26
And then the people that I
29:27
thought might struggle looked great.
29:34
This was the start of the
29:35
Laura show on the women's
29:38
side where Laura came back.
29:40
She took the win, Tia second,
29:42
and then everybody else capped.
29:45
Gabby was in third, Emma Tall in fourth,
29:48
and Brooke Wells in fifth.
29:50
Emma Tall is quietly having
29:52
a pretty phenomenal weekend.
29:55
I feel like Rogue has really
29:57
good programming for her.
30:01
Yeah, I agree.
30:02
It is.
30:03
But you still have to show
30:05
up and you still have to perform.
30:07
And she's sitting in fourth
30:09
place at the end of day three or day two,
30:11
which is pretty, pretty,
30:13
pretty cool for her.
30:16
And she gets to do it in Europe,
30:17
which is pretty cool.
30:19
Right.
30:21
Brooke Wells took fifth in that one.
30:24
And then Emily took sixth.
30:26
That's what I'm saying.
30:27
She must have been moving
30:28
that Dumbo way better than I expected.
30:31
I wish I would have been able to see her.
30:33
I need to get the stream so I can view it.
30:40
I looked at her Instagram
30:41
from last night and she
30:44
posted her back squatting
30:46
and said that this right
30:48
here is my proudest moment.
30:50
And it's because she,
30:51
I know she's been working on strength.
30:54
She's been pounding and
30:55
pounding strength for a long time.
30:57
And it, and it finally,
30:58
she got an eleventh place in that,
31:00
but that was her proudest moment.
31:01
Yeah.
31:03
And that back Scott workout.
31:04
I mean, the eleventh is excellent in that,
31:07
in this field of very, very strong women,
31:09
like to hold your own in
31:12
that is excellent.
31:16
Um,
31:16
Lynn says surprise Kazan wasn't in the
31:18
lead for the dumbbell workout.
31:19
I completely agree.
31:20
I had her picked for heat one.
31:23
Um, and I, and I paid for that.
31:26
She,
31:27
so she didn't look as fluid as I would
31:29
have expected on the dumbbell.
31:31
Um, I don't,
31:35
I don't know that I thought
31:36
she would win it.
31:38
because she's like you
31:39
that's a laura workout
31:40
right like heavy dumbbell
31:42
and laura's excellent at
31:43
rope climbs it's if it
31:45
would have been legless
31:46
then I think gazan has a
31:48
better shot or emma or emma
31:52
true um yeah I don't know I
31:57
think like alex came out of nowhere
32:01
She jumps from like twenty
32:02
fifth to fifth at the games
32:05
and all these expectations
32:07
just kind of like offloaded onto her.
32:09
Right.
32:10
Absolutely.
32:11
And and that's got to be a
32:13
lot to deal with moving forward.
32:15
And I think that's what she
32:18
has to work on.
32:19
It's not the physical stuff.
32:22
It's the mental stuff of
32:23
carrying that expectation.
32:26
Like Tia doesn't care what you think.
32:29
Of her or what you expect from her.
32:31
She's just going to go do her thing.
32:33
Well,
32:33
she's extremely confident in her
32:36
fitness to know that she's going to win.
32:39
But go back and watch the
32:40
sixteen behind the scenes.
32:42
She was not right.
32:44
Right.
32:44
Like you've got to get past that moment.
32:47
Yep.
32:48
And I think that's where
32:49
Gazan is sitting right now.
32:54
And probably a few other people, too,
32:55
like and some people get
32:57
over that hump and some people don't.
33:03
So if we move on to event six,
33:05
which was the duel,
33:08
I do want an overarching statement.
33:10
And I watched Siobhan and I
33:11
listened to Chase.
33:13
It was like he read my mind
33:16
and he was saying the words
33:17
that I was thinking.
33:19
I love the way that these
33:21
duels work at Rogue, these head-to-heads.
33:25
Yeah.
33:26
But they've got to execute it better.
33:29
The sitting and waiting,
33:32
the event takes thirty
33:33
eight seconds and then you
33:35
have to wait fifteen
33:37
minutes for the next heat.
33:39
It is ridiculous the amount
33:41
of time you have to wait in
33:43
between while they calculate.
33:46
And I get that they have protests.
33:49
They have appeals.
33:50
They have to deal with all
33:51
that stuff before you can
33:52
move to the next level.
33:54
But his suggestion, which is all him,
33:58
I'm just copying it now,
34:00
is you do round one of the
34:02
women and then you take
34:04
them off and you do the calculations.
34:06
Then you do round one of the men.
34:07
Oh, yeah, that'd be excellent.
34:10
And while they're calculating,
34:11
you're doing the men.
34:13
Because as he said in this event,
34:14
all you had to do is put
34:15
some plates on the sled and
34:18
maybe some plates on the
34:20
thing you lift up the stairs.
34:24
And then you let them go.
34:26
And then when they're done, they go off.
34:27
You take those plates back off.
34:29
You let the women go round two.
34:32
And then when they go off,
34:33
then the men go round two.
34:35
And at least it's more action,
34:38
less waiting.
34:40
Yeah.
34:42
Yeah,
34:44
that'd be a good compromise for that.
34:48
They're not my favorite event to watch.
34:51
Maybe it's because of the waiting,
34:52
although even I didn't
34:54
watch it until I got home
34:55
from the gym and I was able
34:56
to fast forward.
34:58
And even still, I was just meh about it,
35:02
even being able to fast
35:04
forward right to this.
35:05
So Andrew says can't do that.
35:07
Why can't you do that?
35:11
I mean, you have enough people out there,
35:17
equipment team,
35:18
and have a couple dollies
35:19
or whatever you need out
35:20
there and just leave the –
35:22
I probably wouldn't change
35:23
the weights on that up and over,
35:25
the deadlift thing,
35:28
but leave the other five
35:30
sitting at the end or two on one side.
35:32
It's way faster than it
35:33
takes to calculate for
35:34
twenty minutes while we're waiting.
35:39
If you can't do it,
35:41
then don't do these anymore.
35:41
You can do it.
35:43
He's saying the weight they moved.
35:44
I understand that, Andrew.
35:46
I'm not saying add weight to it.
35:47
I think they should have been pulled down,
35:49
set to the side,
35:50
and brought in the men's
35:51
and set up there.
35:52
That's going to take,
35:54
even if that takes two or three minutes,
35:56
cool.
35:57
Way better than.
35:59
Fifteen minutes to recalculate.
36:00
This for the duel to take hours.
36:03
For a thirty second event.
36:05
Is just ridiculous.
36:07
Right.
36:15
We agree Carolyn.
36:16
That's exactly what I'm saying.
36:17
I'm saying fill in the gaps.
36:20
Keep the action moving with the men.
36:23
Or something else.
36:24
But it is.
36:25
It is it.
36:27
It's excruciating.
36:28
Last year was even worse.
36:31
They were actually faster this year,
36:33
but last year was really, really bad.
36:39
I didn't even pay attention
36:40
when I was fast-forwarding
36:42
how long it was,
36:42
but I feel like it had to
36:43
have been at least twelve minutes.
36:45
There were some pretty long
36:47
stretches that I was fast-forwarding.
36:48
I'll go back and watch a
36:49
replay and do a stopwatch.
36:51
It's not fast.
36:54
And again, last year was way, way worse.
36:58
Yeah, I'm not sure it was twenty,
37:00
but I could totally see
37:01
fifteen minutes and fifteen
37:03
minutes is too long to wait
37:04
for a thirty six five second event.
37:12
Yeah,
37:12
I remember I remember there being
37:13
technical issues with like
37:14
the button that they pushed or whatever,
37:16
just things like that.
37:17
Man,
37:18
you got to find something that's cut
37:19
and dry like then you got
37:22
to pick the right event to
37:23
to be able to do these.
37:24
Right.
37:27
Again,
37:30
the other thing that if you
37:31
alternated the men and the women,
37:33
it actually decreases the recovery time.
37:35
And as Chase put it,
37:37
it adds an element of
37:38
fitness to this overall.
37:40
It's not just a sprint.
37:42
It's a sprint and recovery event.
37:45
See, I like that more.
37:46
Yeah.
37:57
And Carolyn said it, you know, in person,
38:00
it was fun to watch.
38:01
But yeah.
38:04
But anyway,
38:05
then we this is where we had all of the
38:12
This is where we had the two
38:15
incidents of injury.
38:17
But at the end of the day,
38:20
Laura kept getting better
38:21
heat after heat after heat.
38:25
And she ended up winning this event.
38:28
Emma Tall looked awesome.
38:30
Again, she had a great day two.
38:34
She took second.
38:35
Danielle Brandon took third.
38:37
Dana Peran, kudos to her.
38:40
For a smaller athlete, she killed it.
38:45
Well,
38:46
she's going to have high power output.
38:48
But getting over that hay
38:49
bale could not have been
38:51
the easiest for her.
38:53
And if you know about her ankle injury.
38:56
I was wondering that.
38:57
Yeah.
38:57
Jumping and landing on it for sure.
39:00
Yeah.
39:00
Like that was pretty amazing.
39:02
And then Paige Demenza, no surprise.
39:04
She always does well in
39:05
these more athletic style events.
39:14
Um, that becomes more cardio endurance.
39:18
You want them relaxed so
39:19
they can replicate it.
39:20
The times not become slower,
39:22
the longer it goes.
39:24
I don't think you're cutting
39:26
that much time off of it.
39:27
It's just a,
39:28
it's only going to be a couple
39:29
of minutes if you actually
39:30
put the men in between the women.
39:33
Um,
39:38
Carolyn says you can be
39:39
small and good at the overs.
39:40
You can be,
39:41
and Dana showed that you could be,
39:43
but that is,
39:44
I think it's more of an outlier.
39:46
If you look at the rest of the field, they,
39:48
they were pretty tall,
39:50
much the taller athletes.
39:51
Right.
39:55
But super psyched to see
39:56
Dana get a top five finish that had,
39:59
that has to be awesome for
40:00
her getting into the queue,
40:03
getting the top five finish.
40:05
So cool.
40:06
I loved Haley's skirt on that event.
40:11
I thought she looked so cute out there.
40:12
You never see.
40:13
So like I saw her walk out and I'm like,
40:15
oh, that's cute outfit.
40:17
Cause it's like something
40:18
I'm used to wearing for
40:19
golf or tennis or anything like that.
40:21
And I don't think about that stuff.
40:23
Like you just don't,
40:24
you don't always look.
40:25
I mean,
40:25
we were always looking at these ladies,
40:27
but I thought it was really cute.
40:29
Cause there's not a lot of
40:30
events that you could
40:30
probably get away with that.
40:32
it's funny because I was
40:33
watching the tailgate party
40:35
and she came out and I think,
40:39
I think it was Annie.
40:40
She was, Ooh, I love that skirt.
40:42
Yeah.
40:43
Like, and she couldn't get over it.
40:44
Like she was all into it.
40:47
Um, so yeah.
40:51
Um, it, it,
40:54
Bring in fashion, you know?
40:56
Yeah.
40:56
It seemed totally a Haley move.
40:58
It was, it was cute.
41:01
Have you, and this is kind of off topic,
41:02
but Adidas is coming full.
41:04
Yeah.
41:05
Full load at CrossFit,
41:08
especially in Europe.
41:09
Like a lot of the athletes
41:11
are now wearing Adidas.
41:12
It's either tier or Adidas.
41:13
Yep.
41:13
And then you have that
41:16
European group that are Nike, but.
41:20
And then a couple Puma.
41:22
Yeah.
41:23
couple puma yeah but yeah uh
41:27
adidas is hey haley's must
41:29
have signed with them
41:30
because that skirt was an
41:32
adidas skirt it's a good
41:34
way to showcase it it is I
41:36
mean they're probably gonna
41:37
get some money out of that
41:38
one and it was talked about
41:40
and it's still getting
41:41
talked about I loved it
41:45
Um, so yeah, that was, that was crazy.
41:48
And I, and I actually,
41:49
I love the look of the Adidas shoes.
41:51
I've never worn a pair of
41:52
Adidas in my life,
41:54
but I've gone onto their site to look,
41:57
I just can't afford full
41:58
price shoes right now.
41:58
Yeah.
42:00
But it is, uh,
42:02
I really like the looks of their shoes.
42:04
I,
42:05
I just don't know if they're wide enough
42:06
for me.
42:06
Yeah.
42:08
Like I need that wide toe box.
42:12
So yeah.
42:14
uh and then on the men's
42:15
side this was the gee show
42:18
from start to finish it really was
42:21
And again,
42:22
he looked majestic during this event.
42:25
The way he got over the hay bale.
42:27
The way he ran.
42:28
The way he went up to the
42:29
top of that thing so
42:30
quickly with the hops.
42:32
He was good.
42:33
Fikowski, not done yet.
42:36
Kept with Guy a lot in that final.
42:39
Yeah, Tilly.
42:41
And that's the way these duels work.
42:42
You cannot have a mistake.
42:44
You just can't trip.
42:47
Which you said there was
42:48
some issue with...
42:51
finishing that deadlift where they set it.
42:55
Yeah.
42:56
So people got ten second
42:57
penalties for not sitting there.
43:00
I don't even know what you
43:01
call that apparatus.
43:03
But if you didn't get it
43:04
completely over the red
43:06
tape on the top box,
43:07
you got a ten second penalty.
43:10
So that's what we saw.
43:12
It affected Danny Spiegel in
43:13
the first round and a few other athletes.
43:17
And it was supposedly a safety issue,
43:19
so it didn't topple back down the steps.
43:21
makes perfect sense I
43:23
wouldn't even really
43:24
thought about that I think
43:25
I noticed tape but I didn't
43:26
think about that because
43:28
you could see people going
43:30
from like the second step
43:32
with it not far back um but
43:35
yeah you you really and I
43:36
think that cost people
43:37
where where they got it and
43:39
that's probably why people
43:39
are falling to their knee
43:40
or trying to slide it
43:41
before they hit the buzzer
43:43
um yeah I think people got
43:45
penalties too for not
43:45
getting onto the top box
43:47
before hitting the buzzer
43:51
So that was also another thing.
43:53
But the other thing I wanted
43:54
to bring up is in the tailgate party,
43:57
Annie and Chyna were
43:59
talking about that they
44:00
actually love this format
44:01
because the first few rounds,
44:04
you play it safe so you
44:06
don't make a mistake.
44:07
And then there's a point
44:08
where you're not going to fall that far.
44:12
And because of that,
44:13
you can take risks if you're not
44:16
Like if you're Fikowski and
44:17
you're going up against Guy
44:18
and you know you don't have the talent,
44:21
that's when you can take
44:22
the risk because the worst
44:24
that's going to happen is
44:24
you fall to second.
44:25
Right.
44:27
Right.
44:27
So it's worth the risk at that moment.
44:29
Yeah.
44:31
And I love the way that they
44:32
kind of talked about that,
44:33
that that gives you that in
44:35
this moment that you don't
44:36
get in other events that
44:44
don't have the elimination style.
44:48
But like, Annie's like, yeah,
44:49
I would have played it safe
44:51
up until maybe ten top ten.
44:54
And then that's when you have to decide,
44:55
do I need to, like,
44:57
go for it or and then top five?
44:59
She goes, definitely.
45:01
That's when you go for it.
45:01
Right.
45:05
So.
45:07
Yeah.
45:08
So that was that Guy Brent, Jake Crouch,
45:12
Pat Vellner and James
45:13
Sprague were your top five in that event.
45:18
So, James,
45:19
did he only get the penalty in
45:21
that last round?
45:23
Yeah.
45:23
Oh.
45:27
So,
45:27
the overall standings at this point for
45:29
the men are Jeff Adler in first,
45:32
Ricky Garrard in second,
45:33
Dallin Pepper in third,
45:35
Brent Fikowski in fourth,
45:36
Jason Hopper in fifth.
45:40
If you're Brent Fikowski,
45:43
you've had three games
45:46
fourth place finishes.
45:49
You're going into the final
45:50
day of Rogue and you're in fourth.
45:53
And you're only ten points
45:54
behind Dallin Pepper.
45:57
And what's your mindset
46:01
going into that final day?
46:02
I don't know.
46:05
I feel like Brent sometimes
46:06
blows it on the last day.
46:07
So I feel like he can't get
46:09
ahead of himself.
46:09
It's each event.
46:12
What do we got?
46:16
Go over the workouts,
46:17
see if they're good for him.
46:19
What we got lined up for tomorrow.
46:20
Let's go down with the,
46:21
let's go to the leaderboard on the women.
46:25
Yeah.
46:25
Surprise, surprise to you too.
46:26
Me still in first.
46:28
Yeah.
46:28
Laura Horvath is in second.
46:31
Yeah.
46:31
A fifty five point
46:32
difference at this point.
46:34
Gabby McGowan is still in third.
46:36
Pending on what news we get for him.
46:39
For them.
46:40
Emma tall is in fourth.
46:42
Ariel Lowen is in fifth.
46:44
And Alex Kazan is actually tied in points.
46:47
But in sixth.
46:48
Okay.
46:50
in seventh mano anganese
46:52
who's having a great she's
46:53
doing great quietly yeah
46:55
having a great great
46:56
weekend yeah well I'm still
47:07
not doing good in heat one
47:12
um carolyn says they
47:13
haven't announced a third
47:14
but the two announced are
47:15
great for brent and I know
47:17
the first one is gondola
47:20
which is the horizontal board.
47:22
Yep.
47:23
So we got skier, GHD pegboard, skier,
47:28
GHD pegboard.
47:30
So like two rounds, but decreasing.
47:35
Great on the skier.
47:37
Yeah.
47:37
And I think he's got a GHDs.
47:41
Yeah.
47:41
That one will be good for him.
47:44
Um,
47:45
who else you got for that one on men's
47:47
side?
47:51
I like Ricky.
47:52
I have, that's a pretty good,
47:54
I like that guess.
47:55
I have Pat for it.
47:55
Yeah.
47:56
I can see Pat in that too.
47:59
Um, I actually, it, it, it's long.
48:07
If it wasn't long,
48:08
I could see Guy doing well,
48:09
but it's too long.
48:10
Yeah, I agree too long.
48:12
I think he's good at the elements.
48:15
It's his overall stamina to
48:16
get through it.
48:17
Yeah.
48:20
Yeah, three.
48:21
It's like, oh, so it's three rounds.
48:22
Sixty, forty, twenty.
48:24
Yeah, that is pretty long.
48:26
And then Laura is going to crush her,
48:28
right?
48:28
Another Laura and Tia will
48:30
both be up there.
48:35
Yeah, Laura.
48:36
And he went up.
48:37
The prop bet is her versus the field.
48:44
Well, and that's even against men.
48:47
No.
48:48
Oh, it's not.
48:49
Her against women, I think, is all.
48:53
That's usually what her versus the field.
48:54
No, it says Laura versus field.
48:56
Will any male or female beat
48:58
Laura on gondola?
48:58
Oh, I read that wrong.
49:05
I need to take a look at that.
49:07
Yeah.
49:08
I'd have to do some
49:10
calculations there on
49:10
Skierg to see if she can maintain.
49:12
Because I would say no.
49:14
Typically, the men,
49:15
even with the eighty percent kills,
49:17
the men can still outpush the women.
49:20
But she is incredible on machines.
49:23
But my inclination would to
49:25
lead to no on that against men.
49:30
Could be another event.
49:33
We got, oh,
49:34
we got another sealed sear dumbbell.
49:37
We got double unders, sear dumbbell,
49:39
overhead walking lunge and
49:41
handstand walk.
49:41
Three rounds.
49:43
This is what we call the
49:44
Carolyn Prevost workout,
49:45
the heavy double unders.
49:50
That's what this show
49:51
affectionately calls the
49:52
Carolyn Prevost workout.
49:58
The tester of the rogue events told rogue,
50:01
no,
50:01
I'm not testing this one because
50:03
you're not going to get any good data.
50:09
Yeah.
50:10
Just have somebody test a
50:11
hundred double unders, add that time in.
50:13
I'll test the other two.
50:16
I'll bike real quick or
50:17
something for that minute
50:19
or whatever it's supposed to take.
50:22
Yeah.
50:23
Um, gosh, see, that's,
50:26
that seems like a great Brent workout.
50:27
That is a, that's an execution type thing.
50:34
I only,
50:35
I just have this vision in my head of him,
50:37
like doing the lunge at the end of the,
50:39
like on the last workout of the day,
50:40
dropping the barbell or the,
50:43
the dumbbell on a lunge at
50:45
the end of the games.
50:46
And he doesn't usually do that.
50:51
And he,
50:51
but he's really good and calculated it.
50:55
Handstand walking,
50:56
making sure that he can do it generally.
50:59
Uh,
51:03
I agree, Carolyn.
51:04
I agree.
51:04
I think he's going to do awesome.
51:06
He does great overhead lunges,
51:08
but he always at the end of
51:09
the games always seems to
51:11
drop when you don't think he's going to.
51:17
He has made some mistakes on
51:20
handstand walks in the past.
51:22
I mean,
51:22
do we think it's going to be a
51:23
handstand walk workout?
51:27
It's a fifty foot.
51:28
it's fifty foot well it's a
51:29
hundred feet I'm get is it
51:30
fifty feet unbroken like a
51:32
down back I don't know that
51:34
detail I I can't imagine
51:36
it's a hundred foot
51:36
unbroken not at this point
51:41
of the weekend right um but
51:49
finishing with that once you're fatigued
51:52
The speed on that,
51:54
it's tough to bet against Danielle,
51:56
but there's a lot of work
51:57
to be done before you handstand walk,
51:58
so I don't know.
52:02
Heat One App has Tia as the top pick.
52:10
She's like the top pick for everything.
52:11
Yeah,
52:12
I feel like some people just picked
52:13
her for everything even
52:14
before they released workouts.
52:20
Tia's not fast on her hands,
52:22
but there's a lot of other work.
52:24
Yes, there's a lot of other work here.
52:28
She'll do great.
52:29
She'll be top three.
52:32
So she's a safe enough bet.
52:36
Well,
52:36
if Haley hasn't fixed her double under,
52:38
you can't pick her.
52:40
That would be not... I think
52:45
Ariel will do well.
52:49
She's great on her hands.
52:51
She's consistent on her doubles.
52:54
She's getting stronger every year.
52:57
Um,
52:57
I think the overhead lunch will be fine.
52:59
Yeah.
53:01
Brooke should do well on it.
53:01
I think that's it.
53:05
So, and then I just saw Carolyn's,
53:08
there's a lot of great
53:08
handstand walkers in the field,
53:11
but I think it's the other
53:11
elements like Haley is not,
53:13
unless she's fixed her
53:14
double unders Danielle.
53:18
I mean,
53:20
Sure.
53:21
The, the dumbbell scares me with her.
53:25
I think she'll be okay for that.
53:27
I think she's a pretty good lunger.
53:30
Why does she drop a squat
53:32
like that all the time?
53:33
Like is her back acting up?
53:35
Is her, is it nerves?
53:38
Is it, I don't know.
53:42
I'm a great lunger and I
53:43
have no back squat strength
53:45
and it really hurts my back.
53:47
So maybe she has something like I do.
53:49
I don't know.
53:50
I'm a great back squatter
53:51
and I can't lunge for shit.
53:53
So there you go.
53:54
Not, not the same.
53:55
Yeah, I guess.
54:01
Um, yeah.
54:05
And what,
54:05
what are those heavy double
54:06
owners going to do your shoulder fatigue?
54:10
So this workout would wreck
54:11
me for handstand walking.
54:13
I just know like some of those girls,
54:15
it doesn't matter how fatigued they get,
54:16
even holding overhead,
54:17
they're able to kick up and walk good,
54:20
especially people like Danielle.
54:22
And I mean, I would say even Haley,
54:25
I just don't know that she
54:25
can hold her own on the double unders.
54:28
I think,
54:29
I think both Brooke and Danielle
54:30
will be very good at this event.
54:33
My pick is Ariel.
54:33
Good pick.
54:42
I think Jeff Adler's been
54:43
just so consistent.
54:46
I'm going to go with Adler
54:47
on the men's side.
54:51
It doesn't seem like a bad
54:52
rookie workout either.
54:54
Or Brent.
54:59
I'm going to go with Justin Medeiros.
55:04
I have no faith in him at this point.
55:09
Yeah, I know.
55:11
I'm not saying you're wrong.
55:12
I'm just,
55:13
and this could be one of his good events.
55:15
Exactly right.
55:15
There's always one that he comes out and,
55:18
and it tends to be
55:19
handstand walking or
55:20
handstand pushups that he finishes high.
55:23
And what did he finish in
55:23
the wall walk back squat?
55:30
I don't think he finished as
55:30
high as I thought he would just,
55:32
I figured with his strength,
55:34
squatting strength at this point,
55:35
he would do really well.
55:36
I don't, I feel like it wasn't.
55:37
Yeah.
55:40
That was event three.
55:42
Event three.
55:44
Oh, yeah, with the back squat.
55:45
He took second.
55:46
Oh, there you go.
55:48
So maybe that was his good event.
55:50
But I don't know.
55:51
This one,
55:53
you still have that leg strength.
55:55
You're on your hands again.
55:57
He's notoriously good for that.
56:00
But this just points out, like,
56:01
he took second in that event.
56:02
Other than that, seventh, eighth, twelfth,
56:05
fifteenth, sixteenth.
56:07
Yeah.
56:07
Yeah.
56:10
like what's going on crazy
56:19
and then we don't know the
56:20
final so yeah I think brent
56:23
to your point needs to just
56:24
focus he should do well at
56:25
these two try to get
56:26
himself in a good position
56:27
and then we'll see what the
56:28
final workout is yeah um I
56:33
hope he podiums
56:36
It's his last one, last hurrah.
56:38
It'd be cool to go out with a podium.
56:42
Did you see how excited he
56:43
was just finishing second
56:45
to Guy on that duel?
56:47
It'd be really cool for him
56:50
to have that moment to go
56:52
out with a podium finish.
56:57
Those events are good for him.
57:01
As long as he's smart,
57:03
and we don't know what the last event is,
57:05
but
57:06
If you could just get up in there.
57:10
Right now Adler has a. Forty
57:12
point lead over Gerard.
57:14
And then Ricky has a. Thirty
57:16
point lead over Pepper.
57:18
And Pepper has a ten point
57:19
lead over Fikowski.
57:21
So.
57:21
It's all up in the air.
57:24
I mean I think Adler's safe.
57:26
I don't see him tanking anything.
57:30
And at that.
57:31
Even maybe Ricky being safe.
57:33
I guess he could.
57:34
He could tank something.
57:37
Um,
57:37
but what sucks for Brent is pepper him
57:40
and Dale and are pretty similar,
57:44
similar builds.
57:46
I just,
57:47
I don't know that they're going to
57:48
have to have a lot of separation.
57:56
Yeah.
57:57
Yeah.
57:57
I don't know.
57:58
I mean, the men's fields deep.
58:00
Yes.
58:01
Guy can play a role.
58:03
Vellner can definitely play a role.
58:04
Madaris can shoot in there at some point.
58:07
Jay Crouch, sure.
58:09
I mean,
58:10
there's a lot of people who could middle.
58:12
Is Jay fast on his hands?
58:15
I think he's good on his hands.
58:16
I don't know how fast he is on his hands.
58:21
Maybe it's Bailey Martin
58:22
that's fast on his hands.
58:23
I feel like one of them over
58:24
there is really fast.
58:26
I think you're right.
58:27
Okay.
58:28
Yeah.
58:33
so yeah and then just to
58:35
finish up the women's
58:36
division and their
58:38
placement and we have Tia
58:40
with a fifty five point
58:42
lead then Laura has a
58:47
twenty five point lead over
58:48
Gabby but really she has a
58:55
lot lead one thirty over Emma tall
58:59
Right.
59:00
One and two are locked up
59:01
and they'll stay that way, in my opinion.
59:05
But that, uh, Emma tall area,
59:06
low and Alex Kazan for the podium spot,
59:10
uh, is separated by fifteen points.
59:12
All three of them.
59:12
Wow.
59:13
That's going to be exciting race tomorrow.
59:15
And male agonies is only
59:17
fifteen points behind that.
59:22
So, uh, any, anybody from seventh,
59:26
because of the Gabby McGowan injury,
59:29
anybody from seventh to
59:30
fourth could be on the podium.
59:32
Yep.
59:32
That's exciting.
59:36
I like that.
59:37
What's your pick of those four women,
59:40
Mano Anganese, Alex Kazan, Ariel Loewen,
59:42
Emma Tall, which one takes third?
1:00:00
I feel like my gut wants to go with Emma,
1:00:05
but I can't picture.
1:00:07
I know she did terrible in
1:00:08
the handstand pushups at Tear Cup.
1:00:12
I don't know how she is
1:00:13
walking on her hands.
1:00:16
But her upper body strength
1:00:18
is clearly good.
1:00:18
She's great at legless rope climbs.
1:00:20
She should do good in Event Seven.
1:00:23
She has massive shoulders.
1:00:26
I know.
1:00:27
Yeah,
1:00:27
but she's not good at handstand pushups.
1:00:29
Yeah, I know.
1:00:30
I'm just saying, when you look at her,
1:00:32
her shoulders are huge.
1:00:33
Yeah.
1:00:35
I think I want to say Emma.
1:00:40
I'm going Ariel.
1:00:41
Yeah.
1:00:44
Carolyn's going Ariel.
1:00:47
Lynn, has Ariel ever won any event?
1:00:51
Well, yeah.
1:00:51
She's won events at the games.
1:00:53
Yeah.
1:00:54
She beat Tia in the Elizabeth Elevated.
1:00:56
Yeah.
1:00:57
Yeah.
1:01:02
uh and she she won the
1:01:04
granite game semi-final a
1:01:05
couple years ago as a whole
1:01:08
thing and I think she had a
1:01:09
couple event wins in that
1:01:11
um but yeah but you don't
1:01:15
have to win events to win
1:01:17
win big prize money it's
1:01:23
true so okay can laura overtake tia
1:01:28
I don't think so.
1:01:29
I there's not.
1:01:30
So the problem with that, even if,
1:01:33
even if Laura wins, which she is capable,
1:01:36
Laura's capable of winning the next,
1:01:38
even three events,
1:01:39
even though we don't know the final,
1:01:40
we'll say,
1:01:41
I don't think there's enough people.
1:01:43
I think it would,
1:01:44
I think it would go one too.
1:01:45
So no,
1:01:49
I think that she can make up some
1:01:50
ground on event eight for sure.
1:02:03
I think because Tia is not
1:02:05
fast on her hands.
1:02:07
Right.
1:02:08
She's not fast.
1:02:09
This is a double under smoothness workout.
1:02:13
Yeah,
1:02:13
but other people can be smooth on
1:02:14
double unders.
1:02:16
That's not a big separator, I don't think,
1:02:18
at this point.
1:02:19
And then gondola could wreak
1:02:22
havoc on anybody.
1:02:23
That is a sideways movement
1:02:25
that nobody really probably trains.
1:02:28
I think T will be fine.
1:02:30
I wouldn't be surprised if they go one,
1:02:31
two in that workout.
1:02:34
Okay.
1:02:39
Uh, Lynn is actually all in on Emma.
1:02:43
So she's starting with you, Jamie,
1:02:44
of course.
1:02:47
Um, and Carolyn says it's not over.
1:02:53
Well, this has been fun.
1:02:57
Totally gutted for Gabby and Heinrich.
1:03:04
Heinrich's one of the nicest
1:03:05
people I've ever met.
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So bummed for him because he
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really was kind of coming
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into his own in Europe and
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it was going to be exciting
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to see where he's going.
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And for Gabby, my gosh,
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she was right on the
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precipice of greatness.
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Yeah.
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But it doesn't mean it's over.
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It just means it's going to
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be an eighteen month delay.
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I know,
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but that seems to be so hard to
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work your way back up.
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I mean, Chelsea looks great,
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so it's totally doable.
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But yeah, I mean, Chelsea's PR and stuff.
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I know.
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And it's been cool to kind
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of follow her journey.
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So we know about what this
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recovery is like and you
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can come back from it.
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And if you don't follow
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Chelsea Nicholas on Instagram,
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follow her because she has
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ruptured her Achilles at
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the Games two years ago.
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She is back.
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She is killing it.
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She is PR-ing all of her lifts now.
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She has full ankle flexion again.
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It's super, super awesome.
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So it's a great indicator of
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what the recovery can be
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like for athletes who do this.
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Science has come so far in a
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short amount of time.
1:04:24
Yeah.
1:04:24
Just from the Julie Foucher
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rupture to where we are
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today is like light years.
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So make sure you check that
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out because we're going to
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be rooting for Gabby and
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Heinrich to make full
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recoveries for sure.
1:04:39
Yeah.
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And then just the gondola piece,
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Tia will be faster on GHD,
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but Laura will be better on SkiErg.
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And Tia is athletic.
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And if I'm not wrong,
1:04:56
Proven has a horizontal pegboard.
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I don't know.
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That would not surprise me at all.
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with that it's been fun
1:05:08
everybody we'll be back
1:05:09
we'll do our normal eight
1:05:11
o'clock show tomorrow night
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it'll be just jamie and I
1:05:13
because I think it'll be
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like three in the morning
1:05:16
in scotland and we don't
1:05:17
expect carolyn to jump on
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or be in the chat for that
1:05:20
one but we'll just do our
1:05:21
normal time tomorrow night
1:05:23
we'll recap the weekend uh
1:05:25
we'll try to get some info
1:05:26
on desert city uh to see
1:05:28
how those athletes are doing
1:05:30
plus anything and everything
1:05:32
else that happens in the CrossFit space.
1:05:34
We'll be there to talk about it.
1:05:35
Join us in the chat.
1:05:36
We'll see you tomorrow night
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on Sunday Night CrossFit Talk.
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Until then, bye, guys.