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Pet Sematary Two (1992) W/ Tim of The Average Reviews! · Beyond The Blood: A Horror Movie Commentary Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In the words of Judd crandall ripped from the pages
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  Speaker 1: of King's nineteen eighty three novel Sometimes Dead Is Better
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  Speaker 1: Or Is It? Paramount Pictures and director Mary Lambert buried
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  Speaker 1: their nineteen eighty nine adaptation of King's novel and the
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  Speaker 1: titular Cemetery, only for the franchise to rise back up
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  Speaker 1: with Lambert back in the director's share with a lot
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  Speaker 1: more attitude for nineteen ninety two's Pet Cemetery two starring
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  Speaker 1: Edward Furlong, Clancy Brown, and Anthony Edwards. Pet Cemetery Two
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  Speaker 1: is not the sequel anybody was expecting to receive nor
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  Speaker 1: wanted in the first place. But for kids like me
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  Speaker 1: who are the right age to rent this repeatedly from
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  Speaker 1: the local video store, it was perfect. A darkly funny,
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  Speaker 1: often meaner returns to the Cemetery that perfectly captures a
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  Speaker 1: rebellious art that will come out of the nineties and music, movies,
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  Speaker 1: and culture in general. It's a story about loss and
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  Speaker 1: grief centered around teenagers much like myself and many others
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  Speaker 1: who found this film at a perfect time to relate
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  Speaker 1: to it. On this episode of the podcast, we dive
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  Speaker 1: deep into a discussion of pet Cemetery too, Using the
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  Speaker 1: newly recorded audio commentary from Screen Factory's Blu ray release
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  Speaker 1: with director Mary Lambert and moderated by Justin Beem, we
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  Speaker 1: talk a lot about the film's themes, the unfair biases,
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  Speaker 1: on an audience tax, on the sequels, the extended work
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  Speaker 1: print of the movie which adds nine minutes to the film,
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  Speaker 1: and much more. We're also incredibly lucky to be joined
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  Speaker 1: by Tim from The Average Reviews and happy to celebrate
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  Speaker 1: this as the first full episode with our newest co hosts,
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  Speaker 1: Steve of After Hours Video. Grab your shovels and your gloves,
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  Speaker 1: because whatever lives in the ground beyond the pet Cemetery
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  Speaker 1: ain't human at all. Welcome to Beyond the Blood Podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Good Your.
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  Speaker 2: Family, pet Cemetery two.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Honey Father and I need to talk.
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  Speaker 2: Some stories just won't stay dead.
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  Speaker 1: I really wish Keno because Keino did needful things which
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  Speaker 1: I loved. And then I wish they would pick up
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  Speaker 1: some of those other miniseries like Storm of the Century,
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  Speaker 1: Rose Red, like, pick up some of these other ones
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  Speaker 1: and restore them because I have them on DVD. I
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  Speaker 1: even have the DVD of Nightmares and Dreamscapes. Okay, the
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  Speaker 1: miniseries that they did, which has like one of two
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite King short stories of all time. One
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  Speaker 1: and I forget the names of them, but one of
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  Speaker 1: them is the guy who gets bit by the snake
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  Speaker 1: and they bring him they think he's dead because his
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  Speaker 1: heart rate lowers so much, and they bring him into
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  Speaker 1: the morgue, and the whole entire time you hear his
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  Speaker 1: inner thoughts and they keep you know, they're keeps being
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  Speaker 1: delayed from them cutting him open to do the autopsy,
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  Speaker 1: but he's alive. That one's really good. And then there's
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  Speaker 1: one I think it's called Toys, and it's when a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of like toys come to life and start
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  Speaker 1: this battle with an adult in an apartment. It's crazy, man,
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  Speaker 1: all in that show. King has some great, some great
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  Speaker 1: great stuff out there, I mean also some terrible. Is
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  Speaker 1: it bad? I'm not a fan of fire Starter.
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  Speaker 4: I've never made it through it.
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  Speaker 5: The book or the adaptation.
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  Speaker 1: No, the adaptation, the eighties movie.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it aged as well.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing like the movie's kind of it's got some cool
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  Speaker 1: fire effects, but like it has no like when it's over.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like, okay, yeah, Departmenter's score the
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  Speaker 1: the source material for the first one.
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  Speaker 5: I felt like they could have expanded out out a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more. It just kind of left me wanting
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  Speaker 5: more out of that movie by the time the credits rolled.
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  Speaker 5: Graveyard Chips is another really good one. That one just
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  Speaker 5: recently got up four K from Uh was it Keno?
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  Speaker 1: Yep? Yeah, Graveyard Ship is awesome. Obviously, Misery is great.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's so many I just read today.
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  Speaker 1: Joeblo just put out that Emelio Stevez wrote a script
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  Speaker 1: to Maximum Overdrive two that came out today. No way, yeah, so,
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  Speaker 1: And I mean JoBlo is a trusted source, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I trust them. So that's that's crazy news that I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to hear on this beautiful Tuesday or Monday. Right,
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  Speaker 1: it's Monday, right, yeah, Monday.
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  Speaker 4: No idea.
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  Speaker 5: Is this something that he's actively trying to get off
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  Speaker 5: the ground or was this a while ago?
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  Speaker 1: No, he's actively trying to put this in development.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Maximum O Drive to I think King should
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  Speaker 1: should return to the director's see. I think he should
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  Speaker 1: get back on coke, and I think I think we
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  Speaker 1: should make it happen.
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  Speaker 4: Return to form for king, just come.
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  Speaker 1: Back and make it happen and go out with a bang.
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  Speaker 3: Dude.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, he gets on coke and lives another ninety years.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't it? Kujo? Was that the the book that he
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  Speaker 5: wrote that he doesn't remember any of it?
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  Speaker 1: Was it? He doesn't remember writing Kujo?
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  Speaker 5: I swear there's one book that he he did that
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  Speaker 5: he doesn't remember writing any of it. I think he
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  Speaker 5: was either dealing with like I don't know if he
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  Speaker 5: was drinking or was seeing substance abuse problems at the time.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, he didn't remember writing any of the book.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to google this, let's see.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely remember him saying that, but I can't
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  Speaker 4: remember which movie, But Kujo sounds right. I can't watch
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  Speaker 4: that movie because I'm a dog person. It's like, I
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  Speaker 4: know it's on the list, but yeah, this one was
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  Speaker 4: a tough watch because I'm a dog person.
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  Speaker 5: But that's so funny to say that I was texting
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  Speaker 5: or was was a texting or group chat. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, Chris, this is a really hard watch
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  Speaker 5: for me, both the first and second one, because I'm
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  Speaker 5: such a sucker for dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. Man.
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  Speaker 4: They're watching it with my wife and about you know,
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  Speaker 4: thirty minutes and she's like, I don't think I like
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  Speaker 4: this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I know. And I was trying, like earlier
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  Speaker 1: today before I put it, I did watch Pet Cemetery
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  Speaker 1: two again the day, but earlier today my wife was working,
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  Speaker 1: so she was on the couch and I put on
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  Speaker 1: cabin Fever and I'm like, oh, this is like a
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  Speaker 1: nice easy, like fun hard, and then right in the
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  Speaker 1: beginning there's a dead dog. I'm like, God, damn it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I often hear Cabin Fever referred to as nice and
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  Speaker 4: easy watch, so yeah it was.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, I was like, yeah, since she's working,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing too you know, wild happening here. And then
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  Speaker 1: literally the opening opening sequence was a dead dog. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: God already.
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  Speaker 4: I told my wife. I was like, my consolation in
• 6:52
  Speaker 4: watching Pet Cemetery Too is that mister Crabs is gonna
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  Speaker 4: get it, So like, you go, you go after that dog,
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  Speaker 4: but mister Crabs, that is com up for you.
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  Speaker 1: So so let me ask you guys. Clearly, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's safe to say we're all big fans of the
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  Speaker 1: first Pet Cemetery is anybody in here not a fan
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  Speaker 1: of the First Pet Cemetery.
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  Speaker 5: I love the first one. Yeah, I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, eighteen versions best one.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: Man, who asked this guy to come on? Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: love the first that That's my favorite King book, the
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: First Pet Cemetery. Love love the movie. I do think
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  Speaker 1: it's probably my top two favorite King adaptations. Ever. It's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Zelda is terrifying. Yeah, absolutely, I mean, dude, there's so
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  Speaker 1: many times that movie lives in my head. Rent free
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  Speaker 1: as young kids say these days, any amount of times
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  Speaker 1: that people will be like, you know, I'll be outswhere
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  Speaker 1: and people will be like, oh, yeah, don't ever go
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  Speaker 1: down on that road. And I'm like, yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: go down that road. You know, it's just stupid, man.
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  Speaker 1: I just always think of weird quotes to say from
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  Speaker 1: the First Pet Cemetery. But equally as much as a kid,
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  Speaker 1: I rented Pet Cemetery too, so much. And when we
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  Speaker 1: were building this podcast, Chuck and I I was when
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of like sitting down, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what movies do I want to cover? I was like,
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  Speaker 1: holy shit, dude, nobody ever talks about pet Cemetery Too.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually went on to Spotify and there's only
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  Speaker 1: two other podcasts that I found that covered this movie,
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  Speaker 1: and actually both are in like the same network. Both
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  Speaker 1: were great. One was by The King Cast they covered it,
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  Speaker 1: and then The Halloweens covered as well, which is one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts of all time. But I was like,
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  Speaker 1: people have not talked about this enough, so this needs
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  Speaker 1: to be the definitive Pet Cemetery Too episode. No matter
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  Speaker 1: how ridiculous that sounds on the Internet, people are begging
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  Speaker 1: for this.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 1: There are people in the streets every day wondering when
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  Speaker 1: this was gonna happen.
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  Speaker 5: So I love this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Let's give general People already know what I think, but
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  Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start with Tim. What's your general your
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  Speaker 1: general thoughts on pet Cemetery Too.
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  Speaker 4: This was my first watch of it, so this was
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  Speaker 4: a new experience for me. I was an initially taken
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  Speaker 4: off guard by the dark comedy of this one. So
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  Speaker 4: it was a slight tonal shift, not a lot of
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  Speaker 4: a tonal shift, but enough that it took me a
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  Speaker 4: second to adjust to it. But she is a fantastic director.
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  Speaker 4: I love the look of this movie. I mean Both
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  Speaker 4: the original one and the sequel both are fantastic films,
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  Speaker 4: but this movie just looks so good. She uses the
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  Speaker 4: camera so well, she knows how to tell a story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Sweet man. I dude, I'm so happy that you had
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  Speaker 1: a good first time experience. Yeah, I'm so happy, Steve.
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  Speaker 1: What about you?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 5: What did you think it was fun to go back
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  Speaker 5: and rewatch this one? Like compared to the first one,
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  Speaker 5: I felt like this had much of a much more
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  Speaker 5: of a grittier tone to it. You can definitely feel
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  Speaker 5: like there's there's like this angst throughout it, and you
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  Speaker 5: can definitely tell that everyone's kind of dealing with death
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  Speaker 5: in their own ways and kind of learning how to
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  Speaker 5: you know it kind of handles such such a seismic event.
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  Speaker 5: But overall it was it was a very fun watch.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it's a sequel that not enough people
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  Speaker 5: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is like the Kurt Cobaine of sequels. Man.
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  Speaker 1: This is like as grungy and gritty as it gets.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I meant when I said it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, let me figure out where I'm going
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  Speaker 1: with this. Uh yeah, kind of like the I was
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  Speaker 1: telling my wife. The first time I ever showed her this,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, even though Pets the original Pets Cemetery
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  Speaker 1: came out eighty nine, I was like, that's still eighties
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  Speaker 1: compared to how nineties Pet Cemetery two feels. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, Chuck.
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  Speaker 1: What did you think about watching it this timerund.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this was also a first time you went
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  Speaker 3: for me? Well, and yeah, I was gonna say, I
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  Speaker 3: remember the first episode you talked about how unhinged and
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  Speaker 3: how absolutely crazy this movie is core to the first one,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, I can't be that bad. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was exactly what you said. This movie was insane.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Just between the dream sequences and yeah, it was just nuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is pretty mad shit man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is really And from what I've read, supposedly Mary
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  Speaker 1: Lambert with the first movie. So for those people who
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  Speaker 1: don't know the director, Mary Lambert, the first Pet Cemetery.
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  Speaker 1: She came back for this one, which is crazy the
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  Speaker 1: tonal shift. But I've heard over the years that she
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  Speaker 1: was pretty tied down with the first movie. She wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really allowed to do a whole lot of like she
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  Speaker 1: is a she's a music video director. She loves dark humor,
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  Speaker 1: very crude her she loves that, and none of that
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  Speaker 1: is in the first Pet Cemetery. So we get her
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  Speaker 1: visual style, but I feel like her hands were kind
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  Speaker 1: of tied with adding her own flavor for the most
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  Speaker 1: part in the first movie. Yeah, and that's what makes
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  Speaker 1: the second movie so special is it feels like she
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  Speaker 1: was allowed to make her movie this time, and that's
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  Speaker 1: why there's a big tonal shift. But to me, they
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  Speaker 1: like this one had no King involvement. He like took
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  Speaker 1: his name off it, He like publicly took his name
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  Speaker 1: off and he did not like this makes sense. The
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  Speaker 1: first movie is incredibly personal to him, incredibly important, so
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense. But yeah, this one I love. I've
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  Speaker 1: always loved since I was a kid. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: can see watching it why me as like a fifteen
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  Speaker 1: year old would love this movie. It's pretty, it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Sure for sure, and.
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  Speaker 4: The boys are super relatable, especially to a teenager watching it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and as a kid who grew up like riding
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  Speaker 1: dirt bikes around town doing the things that I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have a Pet Cemetery, but you know, we
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  Speaker 1: did sneak off and we had a place in the
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  Speaker 1: woods where like kids older than me at that time
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  Speaker 1: would hang out and drink. We would ride our dirt
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  Speaker 1: bikes to you know, wherever we were going out Like
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  Speaker 1: it felt very This was shot in Georgia, Georgia, Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: and where I grew up in this town in Mulca Hill,
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  Speaker 1: it was very woodsy, so this feels like that. I
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  Speaker 1: also loved the winter like aesthetic that's all over this
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  Speaker 1: movie too. It just feels like dead of winter and
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  Speaker 1: I love everybody's apparel and you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: just love it. There's a vibe this movie I really like.
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  Speaker 1: But getting into this. Mary Lambert obviously directed a first
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  Speaker 1: Pet Cemetery. She also directed Urban Legends, Bloody Mary. Did
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  Speaker 1: you guys ever see that one?
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  Speaker 3: I have not no.
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  Speaker 1: Urban Legends, so yeah, yeah, I have it. It's in
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  Speaker 1: the eighty eight Films Urban Legends Trilogy box, but it's
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  Speaker 1: been a long time since I've seen it. She also
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  Speaker 1: directed Halloween Town two, so I don't have an attachment
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  Speaker 1: to that franchise, but people, really, people really do.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen the first one. Yeah, that's as far as
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  Speaker 3: my knowledge goes.
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  Speaker 1: For that, but she also made tons and tons and
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  Speaker 1: tons of music videos for Motley Crue, Rod Stewart, Madonna,
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, big big music videos, big big music videos,
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  Speaker 1: and shooting this movie for her. The cinematographer, his name
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  Speaker 1: is Russell Carpenter. Ready for this, this lineup of films
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  Speaker 1: to have shot. So you have Critters too, which I
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: put first because we're recording this after Easter and we
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: watched Critters too last night. That's a great movie, phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: He also shot Hard Target, he shot True Lies another
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: great anybody anybody? Another great movie?
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  Speaker 5: Yep, yepkay, all right.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Titanic, which is like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Going from critics to the Titanic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never heard of that one before.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Hidden Jam. That one kind of went under the radar.
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  Speaker 1: He shot both of the mcg Charlie's Angels movies to
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  Speaker 1: the first one and then Full Throttle, and then he
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: shot ant Man and then Avatar The Way of Water.
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  Speaker 5: That's pretty strong.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I mean, he he's clearly friends with Cameron,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: he clearly has a working relationship with him. But I
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: thought that was pretty impressive considering pet Cemetery too. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this movie is shot really well, I mean between him
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  Speaker 1: and Mary Lambert. I have no issues with any of
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  Speaker 1: the visuals. I mean, I don't know, how did you
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  Speaker 1: guys think this movie looked as far as you know,
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  Speaker 1: a film visual What did you guys think?
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  Speaker 3: I liked it. I thought all the shots were great,
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  Speaker 3: from those crane shots up to you know, just there's
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  Speaker 3: dream like sequences like I was talking about earlier. Just
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  Speaker 3: the color, which is awesome.
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  Speaker 4: The crane shots stood out a lot to me. Looks
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  Speaker 4: so good. Nice use of those. A lot of the lighting,
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  Speaker 4: especially in the final act in that addict scene. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's some great before the fire starts, some great lighting
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  Speaker 4: up there. Just like you said, uh, I can't remember
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  Speaker 4: the word you use, but like this movie. The vibe
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  Speaker 4: of this movie is a lot in how this movie looks.
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  Speaker 4: It has that like winter horror gloomy vibe that is
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  Speaker 4: just let me soak in that, like, oh, bathe in that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can I can attest. I feel like you
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  Speaker 5: were talking about it being gloomy. It feels like the
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  Speaker 5: color palete that they used for this movie in some
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  Speaker 5: of the outdoor shots is very muted. I feel like
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  Speaker 5: if you're talking about some of the themes that they
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  Speaker 5: dive into. Obviously there's like grief and identity and like
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  Speaker 5: the nature of death. I feel like that that kind
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  Speaker 5: of coincides with the color choices that they use throughout
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  Speaker 5: the Mobium.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, same with the opening scene in this movie takes
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  Speaker 1: place on a film set, and even that it has
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  Speaker 1: a cool gothic look to it, but it's still very muted,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So this movie feels like
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  Speaker 1: it almost feels like the transition period between like early
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  Speaker 1: winter and a late winter. It almost feels like that
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  Speaker 1: brief period where kind of like the leaves are still
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  Speaker 1: on the trees, but they're just hanging on. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: fallen off yet, you know what I mean. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of gotten that feel.
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  Speaker 5: Yea.
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  Speaker 1: But this movie was produced by Ralph Singleton, so he's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the reason Mary Lambert came back for this. I thought
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: this guy had a pretty interesting run here. He did
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the first pet Cemetery, he did Graveyard Shift. He also
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: did Clear in Present Danger, a little bit of Jack Ryan,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and then the the classic Juwanna Man.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: Hell yeah yeah, that's the basketball movie, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: all right, yeah, so he he did produce Juwana Man.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The composer I'm a big music guy, big soundtrack guy,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so was really interested. The composer here is Mark Governor.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: The only piece or the only film he worked on
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: that I could pick up on was Uncle Uncle Sam.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: That one.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I think my favorite crew member for
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: this in special effects is Steve Johnson. And if anybody
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: watches any like he was in In Search of Darkness, this
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: guy is a heavy, heavy figure in the world of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: special effects. He did effects for Ghost Story, Predator, A Nightmare, LM.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Street four, The Dentist Species, He did all of the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: effects for Blade two, for gear Me del Toro. This
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: guy is a legend in the space and I think
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: he did incredible work here, especially with like the decomposition
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: of Clancy Brown's character Gus as the movie goes on,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like to the end, I just love how thrashy everything
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: looks like. Everybody who dies and this just looks like
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they were shredded to bits and everything looks so gross.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Even when Gus gets is throat ripped out by the dog.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It's just real gross.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: It's way goorrier than I remember the first time watching it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: It is, but in like an oddly like subtle way
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: which we'll get into because there is a reason why.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Actually we can just get into now. Since we're on
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the topic, Well, let me ask you guys, any issues,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: any complaints, any word on the makeup effects of the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: gore effects.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Here, No complaints for me. I enjoyed at all.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Sweet sweet, All right.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: No, they looked really good, really good across the board
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: on the effect, so they were impressive. I noticed the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: camera cuts real quick on them in this movie.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really quick.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: But then she would like go back and like look
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: at it and pan away real slow.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll tell you why. As I was doing
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: some digging on this movie, I found out that there
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was actually a work print for pet Cemetery too that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: is technically ten minutes longer, but it actually comes out
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to be eight minutes of footage because of, like I think,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: some bits of a film that came up that were unusable,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: so it comes out to be eight minutes of footage.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And off of this work print, I found a breakdown
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of all the differences, which was this huge pdf that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: had like all these It was actually a little bit
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: confusing to read, but it's okay. So one hundred and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: thirty nine points in the movie were changed or cut. Wow,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So one hundred and thirty nine points. It could be
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: anything from like most of it was like dialogue trims. Yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: if somebody says the sentence, they'll they'll cut out the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: middle just to get to the point quicker whatever. It's
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like these very minor bits. Most of it is like
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: alternative angles, you know, other things like that, Like there's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: pickup angles and stuff that they did them. Nine of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: those one hundred and thirty nine were scenes of violence
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that were trimmed for an R rating. So essentially nine
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: shots or sequences that are a part of those gore
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: scenes are cut. So I think that's pretty significant, pretty significant.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: A couple of notes that I took. Supposedly I only
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: found a couple people who had seen this workprint. The
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: workprint is in really good condition. From movie censorship dot
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Com reported that the workprint looks really good. So I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: wonder why we haven't gotten a physical. Maybe they just
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: don't think there's the audience out for it. I do
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: think this, If it's in that condition, then you could
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: probably put it out as an extended edition at this point,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: at least with a four K transfer probably.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: But supposedly this this cut has some stuff that kind
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: of helps out the emotional impact of the movie. One
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of those scenes is when Edward Furlong is up in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: his room watching some of his mom's movies. There was
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a scene cut where he actually watches one of the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: scenes and then he rewinds it and watches it again,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and I like, twelve seconds. I think I need that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I need that for this film.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I mean but like.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Like that emotional connection right there, like even you describing it,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like, ooh that that would have been good to see.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I almost see the shot in my head, Like I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: just see the shot and like somebody like me, I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that would hit with me, that would hasonate you know. Yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I see it as like hitting rewind and then him
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: moving a little bit closer to the TV just to watch,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I think that, Yeah, this
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: stuff goes a long way. Man. In the work print,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: when Gus shoots the dog, he fires twice. They cut
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it down the once.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah thanks.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that still doesn't make it any better.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: One shot is more than enough.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: The only the only way you can make this movie
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: better if if you just remove him ever shooting the dog. Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and then the nightmare scene with Edward Furlong's dad. The
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: sex scene is slightly longer. They did extend some of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the shots. Clearly, they had an extension of the shot
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: when she takes off her shirt. Clearly that was extended.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And then there's there was one bit this is what
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I was talking about, the emotional stuff, right, there's one
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: bit during that scene where before she turns into the dog,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: which if you're listening and you've never seen pet cemetery too,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Before she described it?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it's a nightmare.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: That scene threw me off guard.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, that scene is the epitome of some producer being
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: like it needs tits.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, obligatory shot.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: But there was a sequence or there was a shot
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: in there where because so just everybody knows, this is
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a nightmare scene where he's dreaming of his I don't
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: know if she's like a maid, she's like the house
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: keeper or whatever, but she looks strikingly like his dead wife, strikingly,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and he has this kind of dream what starts as
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a dream sequence of him and her in bed and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: it looks exactly like his wife, but it's not. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: they cut a moment when he actually kind of like
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: reaches up and touches her cheek and she kind of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: leans into it, and then it cuts into her turning
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: into the dog. So again it's these weird little I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: feel like emotional beats that they cut that could have
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: upped at a little bit more, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but most of it was on, but those were just
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: something that stood out to me. There were a lot
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of cuts on the violence. In particular is the scene
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: at the end, the head explosion, which which does exist.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: This work print has the full head explosion, it's just
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: not in this screen Factory Blue ray release.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I remember her saying in the commentary track
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: how she wanted to get a scene of the head
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: rolling across the floor as it was like exploding.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we went through so much red jello during the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: shooting of this scene.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like ad more read yet or what she kept
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: saying more, which, by the way, she was she was
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: pregnant during the shooting of this movie and guy, yeah,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: well clearly she got more pregnant as they but she
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: said by the time they reached the ending, she was
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like max pregnant. So I love.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: That visual image of her like Max pregnant, sitting at
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: the edge of set, just like hand on belly screaming
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: more jella.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, because she did set up like the scene
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: of like, uh, the visual of like what she looked like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: because she said she looked like somebody wrapped up in
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: a sleeping bag, smuggling a human being underneath us and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: was just screaming more jello.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, but yeah, that was some of the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: points I found. If you actually go onto Google and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you google the extended cut, there is a website. I
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: believe it's like movie censorship dot com. They actually give
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you a full fledged breakdown of all the change sequences,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: all the alternati takes and everything. It was really interesting.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I personally like, I I wish or I hope one
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: day we can get this cut out there. I believe
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: in I always say it on here. I believe in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the director's vision. I think if this work print exists,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I think if we can get a four K workprint
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: of Hellarieser four, we can get that movie's garbage. Bro.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think we can get a work print version of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: pet semety to out on physical media somehow.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Well, usually I feel like the problem is is the
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: additional content or like the additional footage isn't usable, are
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: they They're like trying to get it to the point
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: where like you could really do like a nice transfern
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: it where it's like with this, it sounds like it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: in pretty good condition, so you know, why not hopefully
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: they at some point it sees the light of day.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me show so I'll pull up the website.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: So it's movie censorship dot com. And according to them,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: so difference of ten minutes and that was oh that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was with the change the roles of the film and
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the longer dissolves in the workprint. The report they said,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the quality of this workprint is surprisingly not bad. It
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: says you still might not be able to see much
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: when it see see place in a dark environment. So
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in this report they have screens and they've been brightened.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: They just said the drilling scene and Gus headshot, which
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: there were some significant cuts to those were impossible to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: brighten up in their way. Also to the scores almost
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: entirely different. I don't know why, but they say that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: they think that this work print can will have no
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: problem being restored if going through a proper restoration.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: So were you going to talk about the score later?
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Because you mentioned the score right now.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I was going to bring up the score. I was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: going to use that as as a as a transition.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: What do you I mean, are you a fan of it?
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I will in stood o. Listening to the commentary when
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: she said she wanted an all like guitar score for it,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, because the music in this
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: movie is pretty great. I love the song choices in it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: But when she was talking about wanting that kind of
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: rock and roll soundtrack for the film, I was like,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I want to see that. I want to see that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think I think that would fit.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I think it would fit really well. I mean I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: personally I'm not the biggest fan of this era, like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the early nineties kind of full moon synth sound. It's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like real sci fi channel. To me, that's kind of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: what I go to, you know what I mean, It's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that like Jason x Harry Ardini score. I'm just not
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a fan of it, and I don't think it helps
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: this movie. I think it might end up like cheapening
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it a little bit. But I wonder if that alternative
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: score that's on the work print is much more guitar bass,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like you said.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be interested to see that, because she said
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that was one of the things that she was disappointed
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: with was she wanted the all electric guitar songs, but
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: it was shut down by the studio in the end. Yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: which is but still kick a soundtrack.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I should say I am speaking of the
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: licensed music for the film, not the composed music. I've
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: like the music. The choices were awesome.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm just going through and I'm looking
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: at just based on what we have here. I mean,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you have Anita Sparks on here, the Nymphs are on
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: this soundtrack. You also have the Ramones. Yeah, so I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: mean she's got she's got the connections in the music world,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I can imagine she
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to and this movie is, to me, the rock
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and Roll sequel. So it is so weird that there's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: not more of that in the movie, you know, absolutely,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I wish there was never an official release of the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: score by I already forgot his name, by Mark Governor.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So sadly, I mean, hopefully one day we get that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: work print. You know, Hey, listen to arrow if you're listening,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: make it happen.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Didn't Terror Vision put out Pet Summers Sherry two's soundtrack?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they put out a cassette of the license music.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, it was like four tracks. I think
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, because I remember seeing that at
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: one point, but I wasn't sure to what degree.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was four tracks. I think they if I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: remember correctly, because I remember being really really excited seeing
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that announcement. So but yeah, that's all the work print
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: stuff I do. Before we kind of could take like
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of a deep dive into movie.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I do want to bring up when you go on
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Google and you look up this movie, there's not a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: ton of information out there. I don't think this movie
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: has really been dove into before in depth. But I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: did come across an essay it was four pages written
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: by Douglas Casse called the Psychoanalysis of a Sequel, And
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: this was really cool. He used pet Cemetery Too as
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a basis to discuss the bias on sequels, so essentially
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: saying that this movie was already kind of fighting a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: losing battle as critically, commercially and all that, because it
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: is a sequel. I would not go as far as
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to say that Pet Cemetery two is a better movie, Like,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: if I had to rank it, it would be it
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: would be underneath the first pet Cemetery. But as somebody
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: who has famously said that Friday Thirteenth, Part two is
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: better than the first Friday the thirteenth, you know correct?
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: What's that You're correct?
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Is?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: No, dude, one hundred percent? Is I think? I mean,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I think Night We're in Elm Street three is better
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: than the first Night We're in Elm Street.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: But like stuff, I always go back and forth on
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: that one.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I kind of wanted to throw it
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: out to you guys to kind of talk about sequels
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and kind of some of what your favorites are, because
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I know this conversation can be had for remakes. We
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: all know that the Alexander Aja Hills of Eyes is
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: better than the West Craven Hills of Eyes. I'm just
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: saying that because that's my favorite. Dawn of the Dead, yeah,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the Night of the Living Dead, And I just forgot
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: all of my sequels all of a sudden.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like over here trying to, uh, that's fault apologize.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Remember the Living Dead. It's a good choice. I like
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: the Tom Savini.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I mean even Day of the Dead
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think is better than Night of the Living Dead.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: So that's just that's just me though, But I kind
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of wanted to throw it out to you guys to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: figure out or to kind of ask you guys. Okay,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: hold on, I just thought of it. Arguably I enjoy
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Psycho two more than Alfred hitchcock Psycho. I would agree
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: with that, just saying.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I gotta leave that I that I I do love
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Psycho too, but the original Psycho is my favorite film
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: of all time. Okay, I do love Psycho two for
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: like staying true to the heart of what Hitchcock did.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: It's a beautifully made film, excellent movie. My favorite sequels
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: since you mentioned in Friday Thirteenth, Jason Lives six is
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: where I think that franchise peaked because I love I
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: love the rock and roll vibe of that one. That
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: one is awesome, But you mentioned it earlier, we might
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: not have been recording. But Critics two, Yeah, I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: two is fantastic film.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Critics two. I actually think for Friday thirteenth, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: think Friday Thirteenth, Part two final Chapter and Jason Lives
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: are all better than the first movie in my ranking,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and actually when I ranked it, when I ranked the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: whole entire Friday thirteenth franchise on YouTube last year, I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: even put the remake over the first one, which when
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I did watch the remake, when Aro put out the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: four K, it went back behind the original again, but
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: at one point it was better, which just goes to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: show though, how often this stuff changes, you know what
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Where do you guys be a like, say, for example,
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: because obviously it's like much different type of sequel, But
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: I find myself coming back to Halloween three more than
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: I do with the original.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Halloween Ends is the best of them all. So
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I'm kidding. I'm kidding, Chris.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I'm signing off unhinged.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: The face is when I said that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I like Halloween Ends.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I do you know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I don't like Halloween two. I do think it expands
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: on the first one, well like it does kind of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: show you a little bit more of hadden Field and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: it shows you more of the people, which I like.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think Halloween two is better than Halloween three.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's better than Halloween four, I don't think.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I don't even think it's better. I love Halloween five.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: People hate me for that all the time, but I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: think Halloween five has a great visual style, even though
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: every character sucks, you know what I mean, But cops
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: do it by the book. I mean, I don't know
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: what else to tell you, guys at this point, but no,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I mean sequels. Do you guys think when a sequel
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: comes along, right, clearly it's fighting an uphill battle, right,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: It's very tough. People look forward to it, and a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: lot of times in sequels to me that are better,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it's because they expand upon the original idea, which is
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: typically easier because there's more money. There's a better understanding
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: typically with sequels. So for me, I think like Saw
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: two over the First Saw. But Saw two was not
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a low budget like like the First Saw. Was designed
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to be this low budget kind of like expansion upon
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the short film that James Wand had made. So do
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I think Saw two is better? Not necessarily, but it
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: does expand and it may the franchise what it would become.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Same with fri Thirteenth Part two. It took what Sean
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Cunningham and the team did with the first one, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it figured out all the things that would become that
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: franchise in the later sequels. So I don't say those
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: are better because of like all purely, I just enjoy
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: them more. They just kind of always get that next step,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and then that next step is what continues to be
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: for the rest of those franchises, you know. I mean,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: they start the groove, they kind of get going.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: It builds out the mythology I feel like for the sequels,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: you know, but it all I think it all depends
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: on the execution of it too, because for everyone that
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: actually lands, you know, when it comes to sequels or
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: maybe some that we might revisit more often than not.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: I mean there's a lot of times where I think
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: sometimes the sequels can almost take a step backwards in
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: certain cases.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. But I like to think of things
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like Amityville two, which I think is a not as
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: well a made or a story as good as the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: first movie. But Amneyville two is in its own basket
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: case all in itself. It's so batshit crazy, you know
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: what I mean that to me, I can watch Amneyville
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: two more than I can watch the original Amniteyville Horror.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: So what about Exorcists three?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Exorsus three is the best Exorcist movie.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I agree it is. I'm with you there, it's fantastic film.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Now on that, do you guys prefer the director's cut
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or do you guys prefer I mean, the director's cut
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: is a mess, but you know, have you guys seen both?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I want to see the director's cut. I have not
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: seen it yet, but it's definitely on my list because
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: just from reading the differences, I'm like, yeah, I need
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: to see that movie.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It is a little hard on the screen
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: factory release because the footage is like lower than SDR,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: but the theatrical is still the one that I go
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: with most of the time. I actually don't even own
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: The Exorcist two because I don't have time to watch
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: bugs flying for hours at a time. Just saying, but
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: what do you guys, what's your guys kind of general
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: consensus on sequels, Like in this article or in this
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: essay by Douglas Kessey, him saying, it's already unfair off
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: the bat for them, and they will always be kind
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of seen lesser because of that. Do you guys think
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that's true? Still to this day? In a world, where
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: like forty minutes ago, I was reading about Ready or
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Not Too, which is now called Ready or Not Here
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: We Come or Here I Come, which is a great
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: name by the way, it's gonna say, And David Cronenberg
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: is in the cast. But do you guys think that
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: movie is already already has an unfair advantage going into it?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: For me personally, I guess would be just kind of
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: like the mindset that you're going into it with, because
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: some people will just be like, this can never be
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: better than the original, so they're going to go into
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: it with that mindset and they're just not going to
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: like it. Yeah, Whereas like you know, I'll go into
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: a movie and I'll just be like, you know what,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna think about the first one unless
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you know it's connected story wise, and then just take
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: it from there. Just stick a movie as its own
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: individual thing and just judge it based off of that
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: instead of comparing it to the original movie that it's
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: being based off of.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like you have to be able to judge
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: it on its own, mirrit And then I think what
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: I'm always looking forward in a sequel is to see, like,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: what is this bringing to the table. Is a sequel warranted?
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: You know, Like I think a film that I kind
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: of thought of, like when we were talking about this
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: was looking at it follows and then here we are,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: almost i think, eleven years later, and then we're talking
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: about a seql to that film what they follow? Is
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: that going to be justified in the fact, like you're
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: building out the mythology or is it just trying to
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: trying to you know, circle back to what worked, you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: with the first one and try to capitalize off that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I think what you said about is it warranted? Is
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: there more to the story to tell here, or are
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: we just kind of grasping at straws. It's not horror,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: but some of the best sequel the best, one of
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: the best sequels ever is uh, Sam Raimi is Spider
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Man two. It's loosely horror because it's Sam Raimi. But
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: what he gets right in that sequel is that we
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: love the first one because of the characters, and we're
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: focused on the characters, yea. And that sequel keeps the
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: focus on the characters, and we're just moving on to
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: the next stage of life and elaborating a little bit
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: more and giving a new structure to the story. But
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: then on the third one he makes the other sequel
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: mistake that I see too much is bogging it down
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: with stuff we don't don't care about. We add too
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: many new characters, we add too many subplots, and there's
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: too much going on, and that takes away from it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: So it's that sequel battle of are we staying close
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: to what we loved about the original or are we
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: trying to add too much to the sequel that's actually
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: going to weigh it down a little bit. So Horror
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: has the benefits of like movies like Friday the Thirteenth,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: where we don't really follow too many characters from one
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: movie to the next. We get new characters each installment,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: the exception being the Tommy Jarvis trilogy there in the middle,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: and strangely enough, those are actually I know people hate five,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: but because of that Tommy Jarvis through line, I actually
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: think those are some of the best four and six
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: because we have that carried on story. But yeah, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: do think sequels fight an uphill battle, which is why
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: when you have one that's fantastic, it stands out.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, you were oh sorry, I was just gonna say,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: because speaking of Sam Raimi. I mean, look at look
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: at his Evil Dead trilogy and just how many different
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: approaches he had to each one of those entries, where
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: that I felt like stuck the landing for those films
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: compared to like, you know, you're talking about the Spider
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: Man trilogy, and I feel like that there was a
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: lot of missteps that happened after you know, you have
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: like a knockout sequel, and then the third entry is
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: just you know, I feel like that they kind of fumbled,
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: you know what the I think at its core that
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: they were trying to get across with that film.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Evil Dead two is always at the top of
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: best Horror squel lists, and I think Evil Dead two
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: is interesting because it's pretty much expanding. It expands on
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like a remake of it. It's like, Okay, we have
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: more money, we have more resources, we can be more zany.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Let's do it again and make it bigger and make
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it better. And that's essentially what you have. You don't
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: have a follow up story, you know what I mean.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's it's literally the same story again, less character. It's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit more focused. You know, they took
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: away some they added a whole bunch. But for me,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think one of the best examples of how to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: do a sequel right is Child's Play two YEP, which
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: does a beautiful job. You're following Andy right, and it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: taking place a short time after the first movie, and
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: it just builds upon it ever so slightly. It expands
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: upon the mythology of Chucky if Charles Lee Ray expands
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: upon it. It gives you great characters that are now surrounded
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: by Andy, that you that you like, that you love.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: But you also have beautiful direction. That movie is shot
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: so incredibly well. The production design is wonderful. I mean,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the house of the Adopted family is crazy. The movie
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: shot in mostly low angles to give that sense of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: size and scope. But then you have like the most
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: iconic setting of the entire franchise, which is the good
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Guy Doll warehouse at the end. Child's Play two to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: me is like a perfect sequel. Like it, it just
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: does it better, and it does it without lessening the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: first movie. It just feels like a proper It just
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: transitions right into it, you know what I mean.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: The ending is iconic.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ending is great man. And then unfortunately you
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: have Child's Pay three which I don't hate Child's Play three,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but it is a pretty it's a pretty significant step
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: down from from two, you know what I mean. So
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just thought that was interesting, especially
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: in a case like this where I just laughed because
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I looked over at Chuck's notes that are next to
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: me at he wrote Stefan King. So I just on
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: one You're at Stefan King, and I glanced my eyes
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: went over to look at it, and I was like, ah,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the fawn like in my brain. But you know, I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: just thought that was an interesting, interesting conversation because today
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I've been reading. I read the book that came with
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the Second Sight Deluxe edition of the blair Witch Project,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and one of the essays in there talks about Book
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: of Shadows and then Adam Winguard's blair Witch. So all
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: day I've kind of been reading things about sequels, you
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, And to come across this, I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: was like, oh cool. The one essay I find about
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: pet Cemetery too is always on sequels. So should we not.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Talk about Book of Shadows? Oh boy, we can?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: We can just forget about it, and.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, it's pretty bad. I I was wondering. I
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: don't know if you're planning to bring this up, but
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: while we're talking about the sequels and following characters, the
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: original vision for pet Cemetery too.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, bring it up.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, going to follow the sole remaining member of the
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: family from the first film. I actually think that was
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: a super fascinating idea and I would love to I
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: don't even know if it ever hit script. It didn't
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: sound like it hit script now. That sounded like the
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: studio was like, Nope, can't have a teenage girl leading
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: a movie, which means they didn't see any movies in
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: the like three decades before that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But they're like, who's John Hughes.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. But I just heard her talking about that
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: on the commentary, about how that was the original vision,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: and I was like, I want to see that too, Actually,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I want to know that story. That sounds fascinating to me.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Do you guys think that that would have this film
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: would have had the same reception that it would have
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: had if they had gone in that direction, or do
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: you think the tone would have been different because they
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: went from it basically having what would have been a
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: teen girl as the lead to a completely different set
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: of characters and a male protagonist. I'm just curious your
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: guys' thoughts on like what you think could have been
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: if that had been the case.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I think it would have been more universally accepted and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: seen as a less a like video store find, you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: because of that connection. I think Pet Cemetery two over
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the years has become less and less associated because it's
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: so different. It's kind of like the step Child where
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: if they had stuck at Elie Creed storyline, I feel
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: like it might have had a different approach to release
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: and stuff. More people would be like, oh, yeah, I
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: remember that character, you know what I mean, as opposed
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to this, which is just like there's zero connection outside
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of the cemetery. But that's just my thoughts.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Don't they mention the Creed family at like a couple
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: of different points throughout the movie as well? Too? That
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, that was the only thing that I
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: felt like they kind of tied it in with.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Don't they ride the bike by the house?
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Ye the cemetery?
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I feel like, I mean, it's a shame.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I still feel like honestly though, in this in this
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: day and age, you can do that, Like if if
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Mary Lambert said, Hey, look, they're gonna let me do that,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do it. I still feel like I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: would be into it. I'd be like, yeah, hell yeah.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna do a pet cemetery movie, do that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: In seid It in nineteen ninety two. I'm gonna show up.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: I'll buy a ticket.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, No, that's an idea that I feel like
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I would still work to this day. I still would
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: be on the on the on the defense for it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, yeah, make that happen. I think that's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a cool that's a cool story. It's a shame that
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: it didn't, you know, like when she talked about that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: When I when I read about that, because I heard
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: about that when I was listening to another podcast about
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: pet cemetery too, I was like, I was a remember
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it was in my car and I was like, holy shit,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: that's a great idea, Like do that please and let
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Mary Lambert do it.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: How did you guys feel about the casting? I mean,
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: since they decided to go in this direction. I mean
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: Edward Furlong, he was coming hot off the heels terminator too.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and cree brainscan.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yeah, I feel like this was before correct
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong, Like Clancy Brown really got bigger
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: as an actor.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well this was this was what the same year
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: as Blue Steel? Yes, I think right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: I think, or close to at least, yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Because I think Blue Steel was nineteen ninety.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Oh that would have been two years before that.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, two years before this. I
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: mean after this, he's in Shawshank. A couple of years later,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he's in Starship Troopers. I mean, his his nineties run
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: is pretty like I'm pulling it up now. His whole
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: filmography is a SpongeBob at this point.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: It's like what I went on and Lex Luthor, Lex
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Luthor he voiced him as well.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of SpongeBob. So yeah, I mean we had
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Blue Steel coming out of nineteen ninety. Let's see pet
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Cemetery too. I'm just picking up, like on titles that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: stand out. He was in an episode of Tales from
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the Crypt.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: She mentioned he was in a Highlander.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, she did, ye yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: he was in Highlander. He was Kurgan. Yeah, it looks
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: like we got uh. I mean, he was at a
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: bunch of he did a bunch of voice work heading
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: into looks like he was in a couple of things
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: for Mighty Ducks, like the animated ones. He was in, Yeah,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Crash Bandicoot, Crash Bandicoot two, Starship Troopers. Let me see
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: what else?
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: He was in thor ragonck A.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: He was in Hercules. He had a voice roll on that.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot about the Hurricane with Denzel Washington.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: He was in that. Let's see. I mean, yeah, he
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: had a I feel like his career in my head
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: was much more recognizable than it actually is because I'm
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: going I just see a ton of Like there's SpongeBob recess.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: He did a lot of video games stuff. He was
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: in Jack and Daxter two and three. He was in
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Lost for three episodes. I didn't know that he was
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: in h do you guys? Uh? What's his name? Marcus Nispel,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: who directed the Texas Chancelbaska two and three and Friday
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: thirteenth nine. He was in his movie Pathfinder, which was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: not very good.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Was that the Sword and Sorcery Pathfinder?
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: Yeeah?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: That.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: He was Haites and God of War three, which is
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: really cool. He wait, he was in he was in
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the remake for a Nightmare in Elm Street.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw that. I haven't seen it. It's okay, Chris,
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: this easy to forget that movie anyways.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, there was a remake for Nightmare and Elm Street.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: The guy who played Warshack and Watchman was Freddy.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: And we were talking about that last night because last
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: night we watched Shutter Island, which which he's in as well.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: He's in.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: That's a good one.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: I will say. You were you were talking about the
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Friday the Thirteenth remake and Texas Change, So I feel
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: like that those are like tears about better compared to
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: a Nightmare and Elm Street.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, but this casting yeah, Clancy, I mean,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: come on, dude, Revenge of the Nerds. Anthony Edwards is
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: in this. You know, how can you how can you turn?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: How can you say no to that?
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: You have?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: The friend from Big is in this as well as
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: the bully Jared Rushed in.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: I wanted to mention him because I grew up watching
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Honey I Shrunk the Kids yep all the time, and
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: I'm watching this, I was like, that's the that's the
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: kid who wears the baseball hat backwards. That's all I
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: can remember about that, or sideways maybe, but I was like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: that's all I can remember about it.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. But clearly the big draw here, I mean
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: it is Edward Furlong. I can't imagine what his paycheck
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: was for this movie, especially coming off of Terminator two. Yeah,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can imagine he brought home some some good.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: That's why they couldn't do the li plot. They gave
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: all their money to to uh to Edward Furlong, like,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: oh shit, we don't have enough money to do anything else. Yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: let's look at his career in the nineties, so you
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: got yeah, come on man, turn Air two pet Cemetery too.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Then he goes on to do brain Scan American History X,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite roles of his Detroit
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Rock City, Yeah, Detroit Rock City.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And then he peaked in two thousand and five with
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the crow Wicked Prayer. I think, so yeah, great cast
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: in this man, I think especially you know, Furlong stands
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: out the most and he gives a good performance, Like
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I believe him as an angsty, over emotional teenager. Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I have no problems with that. But obviously, Come on, guys,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Clancy Brown is the He's the all star here. I
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: mean the mashed potato is scene alone, he steals.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: It had me on the edge of my seat.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Dude, he is do you mean for people who don't
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: know for the audience listening where we're specifically talking about
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the dinner scene after he comes back from the pet
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: cemetery and he is eating mashed potatoes at the dinner
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: table and begins laughing, and the laughing results in mashed
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: potatoes coming out of his neck wound, which his stepson
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: fixes the bandage the wound.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: They're just nervously laughing the entire time.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a wild one, man. But I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: did hear something really interesting, dude. My wife hates it, man,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: she actually so we have an all We have an
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: alternate thumb now for this episode where instead of the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: movie poster, it's just Clancy Brown eating the mash potatoes,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and my wife wants me to use that for the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Spotify cover.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: I say, we do it too.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: One thing that I did hear that was really interesting
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: is when he is brought back to life, so he's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: killed by the dog who he killed, who is buried
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: in a pet cemetery. The dog comes back, he grounds
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: his step son. Yeah, yeah, he grounds Drew. Drew sneaks out,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: or doesn't sneak out, but his mom gives him permission
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to go out. On Halloween nights. He goes to the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: pet cemetery with Edward Furlong Jeff. He goes with Jeff
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and there Clancy Brown shows up, breaks up the party,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and then he gets attacked by the dog and the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: dog rips his throat out, and they think, hey, great idea,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: nobody will know this will happen. We'll bury him in
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a pet cemetery and he'll come back. And I heard
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: a really interesting piece of this, which is what he
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: does when he gets back, which is like these male
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: carnal desires to mate and to eat. The first thing
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: he does is, for lack of a better descriptor, rape
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: his wife and then eat food. And that's like all
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: he's concerned about with the beginning at least, you know,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, because he's a zombie essentially. But I just
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting because when I watched the movie,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on that, but when they when
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I heard that theory, I was like, oh, you're right,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: he just went right back to like these basic human desires.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: I feel like he it just amplifies everything, Like he
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: was already a pretty shitty guy to begin with, and
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: then when he's resurrected, it just I don't know, I
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: just felt like it amplified like their dark traits basically,
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: and you know once once they come back from the dead,
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: it's like they're uncontrollable essentially.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well you know what they say, Uh, sometimes
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: dead is better.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: So on that Chris is Mike trop moment.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: To that point, Yeah, I do think it does bring
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: out something clearly totally different, and it kind of almost
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: erases like all moral code, if any existed in the
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: first place, because he is so cruel in this movie,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: to the point where he kills his wife and step
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: son by veering their car in front of a tractor
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: trailer and then just laughs about it.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty funny death. Not gonna lie it
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: And the commentary Mary Lambert's commentary about how that was
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: all so they the car crashed into to a potato truck,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the truck flips over, all the potatoes pour out, and
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that was all shot second unit and Mary Lambert said
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: they returned as first unit just to get the shot
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of his legs and the potatoes out like that wide,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: like that medium shot. Yeah, and then him running over
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the potato when he drives away.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: That was a darkly comedic moment that I really loved
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: in this film, was the potato death. They didn't mention
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: on the acting Jason Maguire, the the step son, Yeah,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: who she I would never have guessed when she was
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: talking on the commentary that he was just a local Yep,
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: just a.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Local actor that they Yeah, yeah, there's actually an interview
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: with him on this release and it's called my first film.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was really good. I would not have guessed
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: it was his first film. Later to go on and
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Forrest Gump, like, yep, that's awesome.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he dude. He does a great job. And
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I always love I love that character that he's friends.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's friend, but he's kind
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: of like in that little click of the bullies, but
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's forced to be because he's scared
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: of them, because he does kind of play like the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: token fat kid. Yeah, which I could say because as
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: a kid that's what I was. But every time the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: bullies are doing something to Jeff. He does a great job,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and it's just his facial expressions, like he shows that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: he feels bad and he wants to help, but he
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: can't because he knows that he's up for a beating
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: or whatever's gonna happen. And I feel so bad, man
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: when eate when when Gus shoots his dog.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: There's a gut punch, Yeah dude, he just.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Goes out in the woods and sits with him. I'm
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: like this, And then the next.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Scene where he comes walking out with all the blood
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: covered on him.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Film, Yeah dude, yeah, no, great performance is all around.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know we were kind of like joking
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: about it for a second, but Anthony Edwards, I think
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: does a great job as Jeff's dad, as a local vet.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of great here. You have let's see, I'm
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: just trying to see who else kind of stands out
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: to me here. Unfortunately it's nobody else.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: So but.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty much everybody.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: The Shining Twins when they show up to pick out
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: a cat.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: The animals did a good job.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah animal, Yeah, no, all the animals and the animal
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: effects were really good too, and they talk about it
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: and in the commentary, all the animal stuff is really good.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: And those rabbits were rule that in the commentary that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: I was surprised to hear that when she was like, oh, yeah,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: they they'd already been killed and skinned and we used them.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, dude, that's much more common
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: than you would think though, because that's what they did
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: for the cat and reanimator mm hmm. That that was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a that was a real cat that they bought, like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: from a I don't know, a pet cemetery, Mork or something,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: but that was a real you know, cat dead details
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: later that that was a real cat. They have cat
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: parcas they bought.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I was just glad I didn't do the cannibal Holocaust
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: or Friday the thirteenth cent of killing it on screen
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: for us.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: So oh yeah, thank you.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, yeah, I mean to be fair, if
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I was in a cabin in the woods, I would
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: cut a snake in half to with a machete.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would too. I just I just don't like
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: seeing it. Yeah, I'm watching this movie for escapism. I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: don't want to see an animal and it's life.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: What's crazy to me. In the commentary, looking at Chuck's notes,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: here is how Clancy Brown helped stay in character, Like
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: he aiding character on set to kind of help you, like,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: which is wild to me that I would not want
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: to I would not want to be at work. And
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Gus is running around.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just constantly got mashed potatoes.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: As mouth, especially when he would turn around and like
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: tell the cast like, look, when I'm chasing you, you
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: better run as fast as you can or I will
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: beat your ass, like just you know, being joking around
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: but also being serious at the same time, like come on,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: if I'm chasing you, I'm chasing you.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Clancy Brown. When I was a kid,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I loved the dirt bike scene, like when he.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: So, I'm just fucking with you.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the chases down Jeff the bully's on a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: dirt bike. Jeffs on a bicycle. He pushes him down
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a hill. Jeff or the bully flips the bicycle over
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: and begins to spin the pedal to make the wheel spin.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: And I mean, come on, let's be real, like there's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: no weight today. I don't think that would do much,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: I was thinking the same thing. I was like what
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: is it? What is going to happen to Jeff if
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: he gets much closer bruise.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: A bloody nose?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, when Gush shows up, he takes it
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: one step further by flipping over the dirt bike and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: doing that.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: I like how he was just like randomly in the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: woods too, and that exact location.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he just walks he's got he just walks out.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know where he was at. I wish I knew,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: like like like in geography wise, where that was, because
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: it looked like.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: They were in the middle of nowhere because it was
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: just surrounded by woods down that road.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So he flips over the dirt bike and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: begins to threaten the bully with the same thing, except
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: the bully scarf gets tied up in the chain. Yeah,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: and this rocket and pulls his face into the tire,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: which leads to a blood splatter and a whoops.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was way more gory than I remember.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: It's a gross little it's a it's a gross scene.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I do feel like when I was a kid, I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: thought it was I thought there was some extra pickup
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: shots in there. Then there actually was, like for some reason,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I remember as a kid having seeing like a quick
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: shot of the face going into it. But it wasn't
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: it was just the sound in this bladder. But for sure,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the best kill of the movie, right, Yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, or the.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Head explosion, they're they're real close.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the head explosion, the way he has the worst
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: two deaths, Yeah he does. Yeah, he has the worst
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: two deaths of the movie.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the effects working here, like we
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: were talking about Steve Johnson is is fantastic. I Like
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I said, I really want this work print version so
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I could see these scenes in full full detail, you
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But let's kind of give everybody
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a now that we're an hour
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: and five minutes into this podcast, you know, uh, let's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: give everybody a little bit. Uh. What did you guys
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: think of the opening scene, the death of the mother
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: on the film set? Do you guys think that this
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: was a good way to open the movie?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: It was pretty nearly It kind of set the tone
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: for how the rest of the movie was going to go,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: really with its insanity, Yeah, because that's a pretty crazy
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: way to go.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the the nail in the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: coffin is why did we need the shot of them
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: peeling her face off of the fence. Why did we?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that's like an example of the like the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: crude style to this movie.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: It's just like every this movie always just goes that
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: one bit further than I feel like it needs to.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It's just that that pickup shot for me, is just
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: the best. Like I know they needed it so that
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: way they can connect it at the end when we
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: see her and that wound appears back, but like it's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: so gross. It's just like I want to know what
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: what guy working there was like at this, what cop
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: was like, let's just pull her face off and check
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: this out? Because they just put it right back. They
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: he literally feels the face off and then starts to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: put it back and then it cuts away.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: It's funny because I saw I watched Trick or Treat
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: the four kre release, so that I saw the ear
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: melting scene, and then I watched this and then her
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: face like the when they go to like take her
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: face off the gate, it like just melted, like part
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: of her face. I'm like, man, like, what are the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: odds of this? Yeah?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: I was just about to bring that up I was like, yeah,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: so it seemed like they just took inspiration from Trick
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: or Treat. But the headphone scene, yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Tricker Tree headphone scene is much grosser
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: than Yeah, the Tricker Tree headphone scene is like melted wax.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: She's pulling off you know.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: What I mean.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: That's really really gross. But what's funny to me is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the connection back to this town in Maine. Because Eric,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: my wife, asked me the same thing. She was like, wait,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: did the She was like, did the wife live like
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: did they live in Maine? Or did she like buy
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: a plot in Maine? Like how like how were they
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: back there? You know what I mean? There's there Like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense because clearly, you know Jeff
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Edward Furlong's character and like they don't know about the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: pet cemetery. At this point they learn about it. So
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: she had a plot in Maine and a town that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: they've never lived in before.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm confused about that
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: whole situation.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: what connection there is to that town.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: I don't either, But was she a local? Because all
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, it would make sense why the high
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: school would have a memorial to her after her death
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: if she was a graduate of that area.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: I think it's the mom's hometown.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just weird how that's not there's not
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: like any like typically movies have a problem over explaining.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: There is no explo I mean you kind of have
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: to piece it together. But yeah, I just remember being like, wait,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: that is weird. I'm like, wait, why do we Why
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: are we relearning about what the pet cemetery is if
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: they're from here? But that makes sense that the mom
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: is just from there. She just bought a plot, like
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: super young, she's like eighteen. She's like one day, I'm.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Gonna probably probably crazy cheap.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they sent out They send out a memo
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and they're like, by the way, we're running out book
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: now one day you're gonna need this.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Yep, just some random town. Let me get buried there.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But yeah, so she dies, they move into town.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Clearly they need a vet. So that's where you know,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Anthey Edwards character comes in. He's a local vet. I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: love that this small town has a mobile vet. I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: think that's so cool, considering I live in like one
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: of the most uppiest, which I'm not uppy. Town's in
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: New Jersey and I can't even get a mobile vet
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: on my way. So very impressive that they have one.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's very impressive. He seems like a very
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: good vet, though. I will say I would take I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: would bring my dog and my cat to this vet.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I would trust him. He was a nerd.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: I feel like he's got to make bank, especially if
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: he's doing a mobile Yeah, he's only one.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would pay bank for a mobile VET right now.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: This business idea, guys, I'm hanging up my show. I'm
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: starting to mobile.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: But not only that, but the it's gonna be the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: average vet d up was overrun with webs and stuff.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: So it seemed like they didn't have a vet for
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: the longest time.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: That's good. That's because when animals got sick, they just
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: they just buried him with the pet cemetery.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Man, you know what, that's true.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: What do you need a vet for? Man? Just bring
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: him to the pet cemetery. Dude, come right back. He's good.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so we're introduced to to bully characters. We
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: go through all this stuff. I think the pet cemetery.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Actual location in this looks great. I love the dolly
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: zoom of the blockade that we get again. It's so cool.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I even love the opening credits to this movie have
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: like this weird kind of paper mache look to it
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: very briefly when it shows the woods.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: Any of you ever listen to From First to Last? Oh,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: of course, man, their album Dead Trees where it's just
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: a bunch of black trees on a blue background. I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: this movie started it and I almost took a picture
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: and send it to you guys and be like, does
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: this album cover and these opening credits look similarly? It
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: does me.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, hold on, man, hold on, cause I can remember.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, that's pretty much. Yeah, that's pretty spot on.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I have to send it in to a group chat. Wow.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: I saw that, and I was like, wow, that sound.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Kind side thing here. I listened to From First to
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Last for the first time in probably fifteen years the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: other day, and it bothers me so much. In the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: song Emily that he says like Emma Foy, he says
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: something it is not Emily. Okay, He's not saying Emily.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: The idea is there, the execution is oft in that song,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: just saying, but big fan of From First to Last,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: especially the new like new from where the New were
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: From First the Last was great.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: I think, well that that trains album. I didn't even
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: realize that that the guy who is fronting First to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: Last on that one went on to be the vocalist
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: of Periphery, which yeah, I was like, oh that's where
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: he went. Okay, yeah yeah.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: So once we get started, we obviously have I mean,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Gus shooting the dog as a dog lover. I hate that.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Hated it so much for the five times that I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: watched this movie preparing for this, every time it led
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: up to it, I was like, oh God, here it comes.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: But I will say, as much as I love animals,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: it is so satisfying when his rabbits get thrashed, just saying,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: just I just have to say, because fuck you guess
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: that's why. I also will say great y, yeah, great villain.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Great Halloween scene in this movie too, Yeah, like, really
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: good Halloween scene in this movie. What did you guys
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: think of? What did you guys think of the the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: third act leading into the ending, because I feel like,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: again there's some missing details here.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: You have.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Jeff walking into the woods, which looks great, by the way,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Like I love that the whole thing in the woods
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: where he's walking over the swamp and that all looks great.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: But then you have this great at well, okay, wait
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: before I get into that, let's get into the confrontation
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: of Gus in the house. Anthony Edwards walks into Gus's
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: house and it looks like literal hell this house. There's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: dead rabbits hanging from the roof. Dude, what what the
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: hell happened to this place? Man? When he walks in
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: there for this fight, Oh my god, I.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Love that whole set piece. It looks so good. I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: have no idea what happened in there, but I'm like, yeah,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: now things are crazy.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: He was giving heavy Texas chainsaw vibes.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: I was just about to say yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: And there's like this red light bleeding into it. Like
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: it looks the set looks crazy, but you there. There's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a commentary note here about how how they shot. Mary
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Lambert shot a lot of the close ups in a
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: certain way it could really give like this sinister look.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of these angled kind of like
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: tight shots and medium shots of the characters, like specifically
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: when Gus has the drill and there's a shot like
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: right off to his left where he's got this manic
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: look and he's holding the drill up. You know, it's
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: it really sells kind of some of the insanity of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: these characters in these moments to me.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so she said that she had a Clancy Brown
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: and Edward Furlong like kind of not look exactly at
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: the lens, but look just slightly above it, just to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: give Clancy Brown's character that insane look, but give Edward
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Folong for along character the intense look, especially when he's
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: like walking around being all weird after he digs.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Up his mother, being all somber, Yeah, being just almost
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: like he's in France.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: It's weird. He's brooding.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: There's something, you know, you just brought that up. There's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: something too. Even in the first Pet cemetery when when
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: he brings Gage up, he goes and he digs up Gage.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: They do get into like a little bit of a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I would look pretty fucked up
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: to if I was bringing in like a dead relative
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to a grave yard that I know will bring them
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: back to life. But there is almost because what's so
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: interesting about Pet cemetery and this is this is all
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: the movies by the way, one, two and Bloodlines. King
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: does such a great job at creating these these fantastic
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: moral character like dilemmas, which comes down the choice. Everything
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: comes down to making the choice right. In the first movie,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: he knows the power is there, right, Like he knows
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: this will probably work. Oh, if I bury my dead
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: son to pet cemetery, he'll come back to life. We
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: know it works because of Church. Church did not come
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: back the same, but so stricken with grief, he now
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: makes this choice to do it and then suffers the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: consequences of that choice. That's what makes the idea of
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: pet cemetery so great, is that the power is there.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: It's just your choice to utilize it or not.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's like temptation basically. I feel like the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: pet cemetery it's a it's almost like a symbol of
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: like denial, Like you know, you're you're going against like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: the natural order of like unfortunately like a pet or
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: like a family member or friend or whatever that's passing,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: and you're given this temptation. You know it offers you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: a chance to reverse death. But it's like at such
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: a dire cost because obviously, even when they come back,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: they're not the same, you know.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it I you know, I was kind of
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: thinking about this at work the other day. What we've
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: all lost somebody, right, in some form. Everybody has so
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: we can all relate to what these characters experience in
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: one way or another. Maybe not to this ex you know, clearly,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of us live near any native
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: burial ground that has the power to do this. Okay,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I think we're all pretty you know, free and clear
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: But I just live near a dinosaur dig site.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Now you do live near Yo, Maybe try burying something there.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe they'll come back.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll sneak in. It's only five minutes away.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they'll come back as a dinosaur or something
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: man trucks.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I'll live right down a road from Jurassic Park basically,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: But I was thinking about it at work and I
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: was like, man, that would be really hard. I feel
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: like to resist that emotional turmoil of like, oh, I'll
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: bring them back like all stuff for the consequences, I'll
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: deal with it, which they bring up really well in
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: the remake. That's the one thing that they do bring
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: up really well when his daughter comes back to life
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: and he's, you know, brushing our hair in the batsub
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: and he's clearly very confused, very scared. The imagery and
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: the sound of her, of him combing her hair. You know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: something's not right now. This is this is my daughter
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: that was dead and brought back to life, right. It's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: just it's such an interesting idea to me.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: Did you guys feel like the sequel mirrored a lot
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: of like the themes that were present in the first film.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like the first movie has a leg up
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: because it's the death of a young son.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely more tragic the first film. Yeah, like
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: I understood. I think in the first film, I really
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: understood why everybody was being resurrected. They did a great
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: deal with like struggling with that, like you said, denial
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: and how it kind of represents that and bringing back
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: that lost loved one. This one, I actually think it
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: was smart to give us more time with the resurrected
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: being in Gus in this one, because that we didn't
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: get that in the first one. It was kind of
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: the end of the movie. We get the humans, and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: this one it's like we already know what happens when
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: a human is buried because we saw the first so
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: giving us that second half of the film with what
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: happens if that resurrected person is totally unhinged. Yeah, I
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: think that was smart of this movie to head that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: direction with it. But I didn't get that same level
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: of like trauma. You know, it wasn't as tragic as
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: the first one until we bring back the Mom at
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: the very end. You know, that's when it starts to
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: play on the heart strings.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Which which too. I don't even think bringing back the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Mom and this one has the same weight, no, because
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: it feels like so long since that even happened, you
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like the first movie builds up
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: the characters, you have the incident, and then you have
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: kind of the death of church, you know, kind of
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: brings in the idea that you could do this, and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: then you get into him bringing Gauge back and you're
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: in the third act and things are crazy. This bringing
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: back the Mom kind of feels like a random Like
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: at no point throughout the movie was I like, oh,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: you know, Jeff's getting the idea to bring back his mom.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: It's like all of a sudden at the end, he's like, Oh,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring back my mom now. So if you
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: don't hand the same, yeah, it does.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: The mom is the beginning in the end. But like
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: you said, there wasn't a point in the movie where
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, he's thinking he should do it.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: I think that was an interesting.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Choice, which I never like to say. If a movie
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: did this, it would be better because the movie is
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: what it is, right, you can't change it. But if
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: it was me, if I was Mary Lambert, I think
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Gus could have remained a villain all the way through,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: and then you have some sort of psychological because you
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: have the maid or the house to take, who goes
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: up to the attic and sees the dress and we
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: already know she looks you know what I mean. So
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: you could have played on that somehow further and kept
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Gus as the main villain. Because the mom coming back
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: at Dan feels so shoehorned. I had no attachment to.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, Okay, look the mom's back.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah you know. I think the one thing between both
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: films that I picked up on was just the theme
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: of like grief, how it can drive people to make
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: like really dangerous and risky decisions, you know, so, I
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: mean him bringing back his mom. I mean it definitely
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: kind of seemed out of left field, but you can
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: tell over the course of the film that you know,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: this weighs very heavily on him especially. I mean we've
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: all been there as you know, teens and just kind
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: of how chaotic things can be, you know, especially trying
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: to you know, grief obviously a loved one. You know,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: it's very different than compared to the first one. I mean,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: that's adults dealing with with loss in a much different way.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you could feel. I mean, I
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: think Edward Furlong clearly sells, you know, the fact that
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: he misses his mom clearly. It's just like when that
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: ending comes up, I always find myself a little like
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: it always feels like the movie ends with the death
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: of Gus, you know what I mean. It's kind of
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: like when that happens, I'm like, okay, cool, there's the ending.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: And I mean, while the attic scene is great, like
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: the fire looks great, the sequence is awesome, you have
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: the head explosion, so you know, you have the return
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: of I think his name is Clyde the Bully, you know,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: you have his return and he's gnarly looking. Like I said,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: he looks thrashed. So there's great stuff on display. I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: just have no like emotional connection to the mom being back.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: So when she starts to melt and you know, you
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: have the father trying to pull Jeff out of the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: room and stuff, I don't. I didn't really find too
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: much for me emotional attachment to that scene. It just
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: kind of felt like, Oh, here's something else to add.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: I will say this, the very end of it, when
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: she's like basically melting, at that point where she's like
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: screaming dead is better. I'm not gonna lie. That was
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: like nightmar fuel.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: It is scary. Yeah.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: And one thing that's interesting too, Mary Lambert talked about
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: in the commentary how there was cgi fire in that scene.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: I heard her talking about real There might have been some,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: but I was impressed by her talking about it was
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: all coming out of pipes. It was kerosine fire. I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, that's what we miss in movies nowadays.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: Use real fire. It looks good.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: The two six House of Wax is a testament to
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: using real fire to burn down sets. It looks so
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: much better.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And when Renee the mom when she's standing,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: you can clearly tell she's standing in the middle of fire.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: There's fire to her left as there's fire behind her.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I think the CGI fire is the fire that's popping
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: up in front of her. I would, I would guess,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: but like practical is always better. It looks so good.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Man and she they talk about how that attic shooting,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: that attic scene was a little bit like sketchy because
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: they had to make it feel like it connected to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: the house and it had to be big enough to
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: navigate and and Mary Lambert was like about to give birth,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that this whole thing
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: just just sounds wild to me.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think she also talked about how like
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: the fire department was there to like make sure everything
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: was going okay, and that they had to like stop
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: shooting every two minutes and put the fires out just
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: to make sure everyone was okay.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I hate fire, So this to me
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, you know, but her melting
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: Steve that is terrifying.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: Oh straight up, dude, it was. I felt like that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: that was like one of the more traumatic Yeah, like
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: uh sequences that happens throughout the movie, but the effects
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: on it were we're pretty cool, not alive.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I always laugh at the end of these
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: movies when like you cut to the shot of of
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: the dad and the son just like closing up the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: vet office and leaving, like they just went through this
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: crazy traumatic.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: Experience and okay can can I laughed out loud at
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: the very end of the movie. Ah, it's it's it's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: like it feels like it was like so shoehorned into
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: the very end of the movie where it's like it's
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: like a memoriam.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like it bops up and it's like these
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: oval slow motion shots of the characters that died.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: You haven't expect text to pop up with their birthday
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: and death and loving husband and sheriff.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: And he's he's like he's doing like the like the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: closing monologue, but he's talking about people that just horrific.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: I'm like, why are why are we remembering them?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, oh oh my god, dude, And I wanted
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: the podcasts that I listened to about this movie said
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: like I've never seen a memorial for people that you
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: just saw like fifteen minutes ago, like It's not like
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: the end of a year's long TV show. It's like
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: you just saw them within an hour and a half.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: So, like I said, like, this was my first time watching,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: so as soon as this scene happened, I just had
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: a flashback of Happy Gilmour when they were just in
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: the sky waving. So I was expecting, like all of
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: them to just be grouped up being like, yeah, we
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: just died horrible depths.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, like seeing clans Brown smiling.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why didn't use the mushroom the damn it mashed
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: potato shot for that?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's very good man.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: I mean that, that's easily one of the best moments
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: in the entire movie. I swear I wonder if like that.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for Mary Lambor to be like and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: this was a joke, like we had to have some fun,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: so we were, but she didn't. They were just dead serious,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: all right. But yeah, I mean, dude, pet Cemetery too.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Even after all the watches preparing for this, I still
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: love this movie, and I still will always be somebody
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: encouraging people to seek this one out, especially if you're
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: like people always. I feel like people complain about sequels
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: doing the same thing, but then when a sequel does
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: something different, they complained that it did something different, which
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: is like the Halloween Ends thing. And it's like you
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: complained because Kills was doing the same thing as all
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: the other but then when Ends was different, you complained
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: that it was different. Like yeah, it's like nothing you
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: do is nothing anybody can do is good enough, you
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? But for pet Cemetery too to exist,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, dude, in nineteen ninety two, this is the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: end of Like this is like the end of the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: slasher genre, like Heart barely exists. Well, you know what
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: I always think this is pre scream Like that's kind
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: of how like when I look at the nineties, there's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: everything from like ninety up to when Screams released, and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: it's like in this very awkward like they're trying. I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: feel like the genre was trying to find its footing
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: with some of the films that were being released around then.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: Like obviously you had some more standouts like a candy
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: Man and I can't think of there's.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: For me, it'd be like nineteen ninety one's a popcorn
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: is like a favorite mind ye nineties.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: What this new nightmare? What you're doing to come up?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: Or Okay, so you had you had like a couple standouts,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: but there was for as many standouts. I feel like
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: that there was like a lot of like movies that
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: just didn't really they kind of missed the mark. Yeah,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: Like so it's interesting.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Let's see just example, like, let's look up some early.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: Early Army of Darkness.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Army of Darkness. Yeah, like ninety one here,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: let's see, let's pull it up like this, just because
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure because the nineties especially, I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: get really like confused when movies came out. So you
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: have let's let's look at pre dating p cemetery too,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: so you have Misery, Jacob's Ladder, Night Breed, Child's Play too.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of like more I hate
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: to say elevated horror, but like more less slasher horror. Yeah,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: but you did it. But you had William Freakin's The Guardian,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the Night Living Dead remake, you had Leather Fased, Saw three,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: two Evil Eyes, Graveyard Shift. I mean, there's a whole
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: bunch man right right at the end of the nineties,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Franken Hooker Exodus three, Lucio Folchi's Cat in the Brain,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Joe Tomatoes Beyond Dark. I mean this is really when,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: like I feel like Italian horror was kind of running
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of the show. Let's see here, I'm still
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety from Night three, so already.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: House Master two, in the Mouth of Madness.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in the Mouth of Madness. Let's see what
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: else is on here. This is on nineteen ninety. There's
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: some really bad stuff that came out in nineteen ninety,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Like now I'm night Breed. Yeah, night dude, night Breed.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: That's a good one.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Let's see, let's get to nineteen. Let's get to ninety one.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: If nineteen ninety will ever end here on this list
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: that I'm looking at, there we go. So you have
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: body parts people under the stairs, to Cape Fear remakes
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: onto the Lambs. So this is when you're starting to
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: get into like that, Oh, let's call it a thriller.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Child's Wait three, Popcorn, Pitt in the Pendulum, The Sack,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Exorcist three, yeah, give Omen four coming out in ninety one,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Coronaberg's Naked Lunch, Uh, Scanners two and three. This is like,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: you know, the peak years for puppet Master sometimes they
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: come back. So horror was really changing around this point.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I mean signing like deadly, like five Critters three, like
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: all these franchises are dying out at this point, you
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Let's see, Alligator two came out
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: in ninety one, Subspecies this is, you know, the Star
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: of the Charles Band stuff, and then ninety Oh Let's see,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: I thought I was in I thought I was in
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: ninety two.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: Yere was the craft before or after Scream?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: The craft I think was after Scream.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: I think it was after.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh dude, well ninety two. I mean, holy shit,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: if Candy Man Howard's are three, Army of Darkness Dead Alive,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: France for Coppola's Dracula, Sleepwalkers, Innocent Blood, Alien three, Doctor
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Giggle was the lawnmower man.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: That was the last good year till Scream's Uh what
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: about Mania, Cop two and three?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah good movies? Yeah, yeah, those are all great. Probably
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Night four Roberts Becca's death becomes her. I mean this
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: is all ninety two Waxwork two nine seven six Evil
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: to Children of the Corn two Critters for this is
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: such an interesting, interesting time. A lot of Stephen King
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: because nineteen ninety three of Needful Things, Fire in the Sky,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Tommy Knockers Jason goes to Hell, which, like Jason Goes
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: to Hell was like the last grasp for you know,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: for that franchise, Our Gentle's Trauma. Yeah. So, of how
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Jurassic Park is on this list, and he put Jurassic
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Park next to Carnosaur, which is great.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: Are we going to do an episode a deep dive
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: on Carnosaur?
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Man, If anybody ever wants to actually put out a
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: decent physical media release of Carnisfore, please do Vinegar Syndrome
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: if you're listening, Uh but no, I mean dude. Pet Cemetery, Like,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: I will always have a soft spot for this movie.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: This is truly. I don't have many movies that the
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Video Store era, like, really movies that stayed with me
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: from that time, I feel like and Pet Cemetery two
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: was a standout. Well for me, it was like Peed
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Cemetery two. I rented a lot. Ghost Ship, I rented
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: a whole lot. Oh yeah, fear dot Com was another
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: one I rented all the time. Thank you for finally
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: putting that out.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: Thirteen Ghosts, Rumpel Stilt, Skin Rum stilt.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Skin, like there was so much that I discovered, but
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's that that small grouping was
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: like my constant rentals for some reason, I don't.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: Know, do you yeah, talking about rentals, do you know
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: what your last rental.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Was?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: I can remember the last rental I got out a
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: Blockbuster what was it The Crazies in like two thousand
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: and nine to the remake? The remake yep. I just
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: just remember that was the last time I was in
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: a Blockbuster. And I didn't know it at the time,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I remember picking that movie out.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: Was that the time, like give or take around the
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: time that the Blockbuster locations or maybe like like some
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: of the more well known video stores and your Guys'
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: era kind of wrapped up.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was right before the red box boom where
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: we could get it for a dollar and you know.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like for me it was probably
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: something of that. It was probably like a thirty or
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: like thirty Days of Night like something in that era
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: was probably like one of my life. I had a
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: so we had a Hollywood video that was right across
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: the street from my dad's house, and that down the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: road we had an HBO, So I was allowed to
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: walk to the Hollywood Video but I wasn't allowed to
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: walk to the HBO because I had to cross another
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: main road or to HBO. Oh my god, the Blockbuster,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Blockbuster. I remember having to cross
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: another main road. So my dad was like, yeah, it's
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: too far. So we we mostly went to Hollywood. But
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: I remember my mom taking me to Blockbuster all the time,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: and we would buy the pre owned, you know, certified
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: DVDs in those terrible cases with them with like the
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Matt Clear thing. Those were, I mean, they're look, those
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: are better than the modern day Blu Ray recycle cases
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: we get, but you know, still in the ranking. Not
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: not a favorite of mine. And I remember like that
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: era was when I was getting like Cloverfield, you know
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: what I mean, like them renting that and stuff like that.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: So that might have been like one of my life
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: as we also had you guys, remember the what was
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: it called. There was a service that you could buy
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: movies from physically online and it would it was called
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: like Columbia something house.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, Columbia House. They used to do that with like books, music, right, yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember I remember my mom getting me,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: it was clover Field. It was a DVD for Cloverfield,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: I remember. I think it was The Born Supremacy and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: one other through like that Columbia because you always bought
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: like packages almost like you would get like three DVDs
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: for a set price or whatever. Yeah, because this is
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: like the start of Netflix doing the DVD rentals. Man,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: interesting times. Man, never thought pet Cemetery too would be
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: digging up all these memories.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, did you guys have like did you guys, did
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: you guys like for the most part, did you guys
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: go to like more of your like mom and pop
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: video stores than or what was it like your Blockbuster,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: you know, family video Hollywood like at the time to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: find some of these.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to get to like a mom and
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: pop shop that used to be like right around the
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: corner from my house until they closed down. And you
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: know that's when Hollywood Video and Blockbuster and all that
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: started popping up. So yeah, that's when I made the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: switch over to that. But yeah, I tried to use mom.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: And pop for the most part growing up. It was
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: it was family video for me because that was what
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: was around the most. But I still remember the Blockbuster
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: because that was one of the few that you had
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: to have, like the subscription to you had to pay
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: to use that one. But in college, it was a
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: mom and pop shop that was walking distance like shared
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: space with the Dollar General, and it was in the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: back of that and that shop was awesome. That's where
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: the love of horror boomed at that at that shop.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: I swear, I feel like the mom and pop video
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: stores usually had like the more obscure stuff that you
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: would find, like especially for horror, because Blockbuster, I feel like,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, they had like their more like popular titles,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: but if you're like looking for like kind of like
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: the the video store staples of that time, it was
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: usually at like the smaller stores, I felt like.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: I remember I would always rent. Maybe I was a
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: weird kid, but we when I moved and we didn't
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: have a Blockbuster or a Hollywood anywhere around us anymore.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: We had a little family owned one across the street
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: from the apartment complex that my dad lived in, and
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: I used to go there all the time and rent,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Like do you guys remember that they would put out
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: on vhs like The Police Chase, Yeah, stuff like yeah,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I would rent. It would be like you know,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: nine to one one with like these big bold letters
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: and it would be like the most insane police chases
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: ever caught on camera.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: It was either that or like I felt like you
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: would always see like the movies like you know, kind
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: of of tagged all over the cover where we would
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: say banned in X amount of countries, Like I remember,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: what was it, like Cannibal Holocaust or like Faces of Death,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: Like you would see those at the movies store, and
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, oh, that's insane, you know, it's just
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: like that's crazy. I can't believe we have it here,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: you know, And in reality, it's not that big of
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: a deal.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It's funny because what happened to me was was kind
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: of backwards. So my mom had showed me, you know,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: the Exorcist and Friday thirteenth and stuff. But my best
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: friend I talked about this on a previous episode. My
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: best friend's dad had all these VHS tapes in a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: drawer and he would loved horror, but it was like
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Faces of Death, Traces of Death, kind of a Holocaust,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Cannibal Pharaoh. It was all these like extreme movies that
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: we would steal from the from his from his little
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: VHS collection we would watch, so a lot of like
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: the very beginnings of my horror were like of the
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: most extreme. So then when I was getting older and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: I was getting into more mainstream stuff, I was kind
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: of disappointed. I was like, oh, man, these aren't as
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: crazy as the stuff that I was pulling out of
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Dylan's dad's dresser, you know what I mean. So, man,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: that timing was was Yeah, that was just just sort
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: of viewers know, Steve and Chuck just swig their water
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: at the same exact completely.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: I'm so glad I had that on mute because I
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: was like about to laugh. It just sounds ridiculous. I'm like,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: what else was in there?
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: There was nothing else? Okay, thinking back, it was a
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: little weird though, because none of them had like art
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: or anything. It was just you know, it was weird.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we used to take them all the time.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: So watching Cannibal Holocaust and then going to your local
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: store and renting some some you know movie off the shop,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is going to be crazy, and
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, so it wasn't that much. So but
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: it's funny because like Cannibal Holocaust now is one of
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's yeah, yeah, that's like a very specific
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: like it was such an important time when I saw
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: that movie, when I was like really discovering just like
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 5: the the extent that boundaries can be pushed for certain films,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: and especially with it being like, you know, Italian horror,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: I wasn't really exposed to it much outside of I
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: think I remember seeing Zombie in high school. Yeah, I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: was like, this is just like so different compared to
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: like what I've seen, you know, with like neither Living
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: Dead or Dawn of the Dead. And yeah, it's just
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: you know, there's like very specific movies. I feel like
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 5: it was like the right time, right place when you
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: discovered them.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And one thing like as I get older and
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: I look at movies more from like an almost like
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: an academic sense, like I'm kind of reading and studying
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: about movies, is that the time in which these movies
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: come out are so important, right, and you have to
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: meet that in perspective when you're watching them now, especially
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: when we live in a world where everything that was
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: accepted back then is no longer and people act like
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: this stuff was made under you know current uh, you know,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: political viewpoints and stuff. People kind of tend to forget
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: that things, Hey, things used to be different. And when
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: I look at when I when I hear nineties harp
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: people mentioned nineties tar, the first thing that comes to
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: my mind because of my history is pet Cemetery too.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: And to me, like, look, I love Scream right and
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Scream to me, is is a a defining film for
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: the genre. But when I think ninety horror, for some reason,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: for me would always come back to this movie, it'll
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: be pet Cemetery too. It just fits so well. It's
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: that grungey, gritty feel that's a little bit too clean
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: for the eighties, but we're still transitioning into this like
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: more mainstream era of horror where horror is kind of dying,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of like also kind of getting cleaned up,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Like it's not as gruesome, it's not as cruel. To me,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: this just this is just like the quintessential nineties horror movie,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: and in fact, it's one of the most underrated, underseen sequels.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: I think pretty much ever, I've been screaming this movie
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: to the hills forever. Nobody's ever listened to me. Now
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: I have a podcast where I can publicly say it.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: Can I I want to throw something to you guys
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: on this with this film, where they are like certain
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: themes that you felt like you notice throughout it, or
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: like symbolism or anything like that throughout the course of
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: the movie.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, give me an idea of like what you
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: picked up on.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: So I just took a couple of notes as far
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: as like certain aspects that I pulled the I kind
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: of took away from this movie. So I just have
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: a note on here that the pet cemetery is used
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: as like a symbol of denial, like you know, for
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: obviously if you're losing a loved one or a pet.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: Themes of resurrection and corruption, so kind of like with
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: these characters, and even in the first one to a
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: different extent, is that they're tampering with like the natural
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 5: laws and like the natural order of things. And I
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: would say with this one, more so than the first one,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: themes of like adolescents finding your identity, you know, especially
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: because there's a lot of underlying themes of like teen
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: inks or at least I felt like that it's very
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: relatable for you know, when you were at the age.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: Hopefully we're not digging up bodies at that age, but
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: it's it definitely, it definitely felt like, you know, you
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: can kind of get that that kind of that sense
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: of like trying to process such like a terrible event.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: And then the last one that I noted was like
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: the cycle of violence, so more so with with the
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: sheriff and just how there was like a lot of
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: like unresolved stuff, you know, I felt like prior to
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: what he passed or got killed. But yeah, especially with
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: that dynamic that he had with his steps on, it's
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could definitely tell that they had been
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: going on for some time, and they kind of briefly,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: I mean they in various ways they touch on it,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: but I'm sure like if this was a real situation,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: it's probably a lot worse than that they're leading on,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: you know, to believe.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: I think one theme I've picked up on during your notes,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: which is kind of a running theme through the nineties,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: is kind of like this anti like anti establishment. It's
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: very rebellious. This was a super rebellious time, you know
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: what I mean. Yes, and this movie focuses on positions
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: of power. You have a sheriff who is you know,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: the the the holder of law, the holder of order,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: who is clearly you know, I mean, dude. Even his
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: comments about how he dated, how he dated Jeff's mom
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: in high school, Like at the at the funeral, you know,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: right away you're like, oh, this guy.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: In front of his dad.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Yeahspect, this guy's a sergeant. And then you see how
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: he treats, you know, his wife and the way that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: he's like handling her in front of her son. True,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: like the the negative comments he has about his weight
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: and his eating habits at the table, which clearly this
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: kid suffers from, you know, some some mental issues. This
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: movie doesn't have the room to get into, you know
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: I think my biggest sadness is not getting more resolution
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: to that story or a happy ending. And I know
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: horror isn't necessarily known for always having happy endings, but
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: I felt the connection stronger to that side of this
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: story than Edward Furlong and his mom. I felt it
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: between this stepdad and step son. That's what kept me glued.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: And when it ends the way it does like that,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: that's the end of the movie for me. I'm like, well,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: I cared more about that and wanting to see like
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: him get out from under his stepdad.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would have been cool too. I
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: think there there there might have been some promise there
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: with him killing Gus in some way, shape or form,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I do think I do
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: think that's that that it would it would be so
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: it be super satisfying, But like then you're really setting
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: up that character for It's kind of like, what's worse
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: him living with all the events that happened, because you
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: would have had Gus kill the mom and this kid's
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: mom would have been dead, his dog would have been dead.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: Now he's gonna go after Gus and he kills Gus.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: It's almost like what sadder him dying with his mom
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: in the car accident or him living the rest of
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: his life, Like who would he have become after that?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: And I know people don't think about that, but in
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the context of storytelling, mm hmm, these are the things
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: that we relate to, and these are things that we
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: connect to. I feel like that would have been a
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: great resolution, Like you could have if you if you
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: erased all of the jet side of things, just focus
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: on this family, this movie would have worked just as well.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, And you're right, because I
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: connected at more like I didn't have a me. I
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: had a stepdad growing up, and I didn't have a
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: mean step especially not to this to this extent, you know,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: but like having a step parent in your life is
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: very difficult, especially at an age like his, you know
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: what I mean, and somebody who's clearly this kid's very unhappy.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: He's being bullied, you know, he's overweight. There might there's
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: some there's some unresolved issues here that he's dealing with unfortunately,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: you know, some trauma, some issues, something going on that
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: he's struggling with. And you're right, I think that would
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: have been a great, a great path for this movie
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: to stick on.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: I would say, just as a whole, it just feels
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: like everyone in their own way is refusing to accept mortality,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: you know, so they they're taking it into their own
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: hands and defying nature. And I feel like, you know,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: obviously that backfires on a number of different levels between
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: this and the first film. But yeah, I just felt
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: like that there was a lot of themes that were
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: present in this movie, even underneath all the dark humor
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: and the potato kill and all that stuff, Like there
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: was definitely something to take away from it, for sure.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: What a way to end that storyline, Yeah right, Yeah,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: he calls his steps on fat and then crushes it
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: with a bag of potatoes or truck of potatoes.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in his face, with a mouthful of potatoes.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. What's interesting is how this movie never brings
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: up like the wind ego again, you know, because that's
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: that's like one of those undiscussed plots of pet Cemetery,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: is what is the power at play here? We obviously
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: know it's a burial ground, but the wind you goo,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: was alway a big kind of overseer of everything in
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: pet Cemetery that he existed in the first movie. That's
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: the noises you're hearing when he's coming into the cemetery.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: You're hearing this power, this one digo, and it never
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: gets brought up. So I guess I kind of just
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: completely push that off and just stuck to the power.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: But there's clearly, like I like to think in movies
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: like this, like this town is cursed for having this
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: thing because everybody who comes into this town, everybody who
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: lives in this town, is gonna going to experience loss,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna be overpowered in some way by the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: choice of making this decision. And the only reason this
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: town doesn't more often is because they have an endless
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: amount of stories that prove as to why not. But
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: as an outsider coming in, you don't have that legacy
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: that you grew up hearing these stories and stuff, so
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: you're not really that afraid of it. And that's why
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: it's always newcomers who end up in this trap, you
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: They're just for that. That town is just for peating
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: past mistakes, whether whether they're like you know, townspeople that
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: live there or you know, newcomers that are that are
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: you know, moving to that town. But it's pretty wild,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: like you know, they they know what's at stake there,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: or that they could prevent people from going there, and
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 5: yet whoever goes to the cemetery, it's like they're still
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: ignoring the dangers regardless, they fall for the temptation. And yeah,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: it's kind of kind of wild, like you know, just
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: how how tempting it is to use the power it offers.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's just funny about the first movies because
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: like you know, jud hates that place. He he because
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: he had a bad experience there with his dog. Yet
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: for some reason he takes him back there to bring
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: back church and it you know, exposes him to the
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: power and that just kind of kicks off everything, you know,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's incredibly interesting.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: I do think unfortunately, with like Pet Cemetery blood Lines,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: which I don't hate that movie as much as a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: lot of other people did. I thought it was just okay.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like there is like you can continue making
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: pet Cemetery movies and have them be great and have
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: them be impactful. I think you personally can. You can
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: do this story a lot and make it different every time,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean maybe that's just me, but I
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: personally feel that way.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: I think the key. I think there's a lot of
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: interesting stories you could tell. The key to all of
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: them is giving a reason why the person would accept
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: the risk of burying them. As long as you can
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: create a compelling reason why this person would be buried
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: and brought back, you can tell a good story.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: M Yeah. Mick Garris so famously always says that for
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: horror to be good, it must first be good drama.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: Mm hm, you know what I mean? And that's that
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: kind of like lives at the heart of the first
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: pet Cemetery. It's a great dramatic story that you know,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: turns into horror. Pet Cemetery too, I feel like, is
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: much more just rock and roll horror, you know, than
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: it is then it is drama. But I don't put
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: on pet Cemetery too because I'm ready to kind of
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: be in my feels for a little bit and deal
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: with like a dark, like a deep existential, you know story.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: I could just throw on pet Cemetery too when I
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: have a drink or two and I'm just ready to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: hang out and have a good time. So that's where
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: it separates itself most from the first movie. But you know,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I'm happy that this movie exists. I dude, I pre
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: ordered this blu ray so fast when it came out.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: When when Screen Factory announced this, I pre ordered this
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: so fast. I remember getting it. I've watched it tons
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: of times since it came out, and I still feel
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: like the physical media release didn't reignite the fire under
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: this movie. I was hoping it would same with like
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: when Screen Factory to ghost Ship and when Dark Star
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: Pick did Fear dot Com under the vinegar syndrome sub
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: lable I was like, oh, hell yeah, we're we have
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: a new life for this movie, and just nobody talked
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: And I was like, damn, listen, if if Chopping Mall
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: can get a four K, so COMPETI cemetery too.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, I'm surprised. Pat Summer two, I would be
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: first if you give me that work print sold absolutely.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I want to see this work print. I
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: want to see that.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And somebody on Reddit, which you know is
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: the internet's most you know, prominent resource tool, to get
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: good information from.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: That in Wikipedia, super trustworthy.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Man, Yeah, I mean I don't go
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: anywhere else.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: Nope, those are like the.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: The user on Reddit that talked about this movie talked
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: about how it did make it better and how this
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: work print it made it so much better, made the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: emotion more impactful, made the violence more impactful. So I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: think somebody out there has to get their hands on
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: this and try to restore it. And I under stand
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: the fear of this movie doesn't have that big of
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: an audience. You know, are people going to spend Are
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: you gonna be able to make back the money that
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: you're going to invest into it to bring this back
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: to life. But I believe, like I've said time and
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: time again, the director's vision should be out there. And
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: if you're going to put any effort in this movie,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: put out that originally intended way, you know what I mean.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: So, but dude, I'm super happy that that that we
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: were able to do a podcast where people kind of
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: saw this for the first time.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: You know, there was a lot more to this movie
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: than I realized after not seeing it for for such
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: a long period of time.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think this podcast, like this discussion
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: has so every time, dude. And I'm pretty sure I
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: said this at the end of all of our episodes
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: that I always come out of the finished podcast episode
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: admiring the movie more than I did going in.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, because that's what I love about this dude.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: This is so important, Like people, I am not that
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: this is why I stopped rating movies on Letterbox. I
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: was watching movies. I was coming up with an instant opinion,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: and then I was giving it a rating, and then
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: I was sticking to that rating, like mentally just being like, Okay,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: that's a four star movie whatever. Doing this show. I've
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: watched this movie five times in the last three weeks,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: going through the commentary, doing the research, and then to
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: sit down and like regurgitate all these thoughts with other
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: people helps me clear all of it up and kind
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: of like, there's things I've realized that I didn't plan
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: on talking about. We went into this, and now this
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: movie has grown so much more to me through this conversation,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's just me, but that's okay because it's
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: my opinion. Is the only when that matters? Oh no, no, no, clearly.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: That's what I love about doing podcasts about movies in
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: general is just watching them alone is one thing. Talking
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: about them with others just makes it that much better.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the best part about movies, Like it opens
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: up the discourse and everyone has different opinions on it.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: And I like that we can bring up maybe a
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: lesser talked about title and we're able to kind of
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: get everyone's viewpoints on this. And I think walking away
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: from this, I have a better appreciation for this film
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: than I did probably in any other scenario.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I think I think, truly there is
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: opportunity for this movie to get that more attention. And
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the cool thing about this is that this
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: is going to exist forever for lack of a better word,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: and people will stumble across this in some way. Who
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: knows if it's going to be you know, May first
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: when it comes out, or it's going to be thirty
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: years from now. Somebody is going to come across this
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: in some way and go like, oh shit, let me
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: give that pet cemetery to a chance, and you're going
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: to get that, you know what I mean, They're going
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: to find that love for it and stuff. So I'm
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: glad that everybody liked it. Yeah, I mean, any final
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: thoughts before we head out?
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 5: Oh this is a fun watch and a good discussion.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: I just gotta go ahead, No, go ahead, Oh I
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: just got a plug. We talked about music earlier, Funeral
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: Derangements by Ice nine Kills. Hell, yeah, you want to
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: hear Fred Gwynn drop the famous line.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Great's so I've always been I have the pleasure
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: of being like a lifelong Ice nine Kills fan. So
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: when the first Silent Scream album came out, I started
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: showing my wife, kind of exposing her so a little bit.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: She wasn't into it as much or Silver Scream I'm sorry.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: And then when Silver Screamed Too Welcome to Horrorwood came out,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: my wife fell in love with that album and yeah,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: of all the songs I thought she was gonna I was, oh,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: she might like the shower scene, like, she might like
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: like some of the softer you know. No, her favorite
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: song was Funeral Arrangements.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: I fell in love with them. With the Every Trick
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: in the Book album, Oh yeah, album is still so good.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: Every Trick and a Book dude, with what's the song?
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: What's the extras? The song Communion.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: Of the Cursed?
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like that the other day, dude. Great. And
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: then still honestly, my favorite moment of any Ice nine
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: kill song is the jig is Up from the first
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: Silver Scream. M hmm, I love that breakdown over the
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  Speaker 1: over the Sauw theme.
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  Speaker 3: Game over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 4: They're also good every single the Jaws song. Yeah, fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yep. So, just to give everyone a heads up,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: if you've made it this far into the podcast two
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: hours about how about pat Cemetery too, We've officially done it.
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  Speaker 1: We are heading into our season finale for were the
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: first season of Beyond the Blood. Next month we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be covering The Burning. We're gonna have our friend Mark
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  Speaker 1: from Tales from the Shelf on. That's gonna be an
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  Speaker 1: incredible episode. Yeah, so good man, there was I could
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  Speaker 1: not think of a better movie to kick off summer
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  Speaker 1: with and end the season with, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Than than The Burning? There was no way. And Mark
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  Speaker 1: is an incredible person. I can't wait to have him
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  Speaker 1: on as a guest and break down that movie with him.
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  Speaker 1: We are we have so much obviously, Steve, this was
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  Speaker 1: the first full episode with you on as a as
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  Speaker 1: a co host, so so happy to have you. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: you were on for the After Hours episode, but this
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  Speaker 1: was your first official so.
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  Speaker 5: This was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Glad you enjoyed it, man.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I couldn't have thought of a better movie to
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  Speaker 5: bring us all together.
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  Speaker 1: Then than Mary Lambert's Before we head out, let's start
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  Speaker 1: with uh, let's start with timp tim. Where can people
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  Speaker 1: find you on social media?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, we are the average reviews podcast, So that
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  Speaker 4: is I think it's just average reviews on Instagram and
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  Speaker 4: Facebook Tube. Nobody uses that thought about TikTok. That's not
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  Speaker 4: going to happen. Working on our domain name right now,
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  Speaker 4: but it'll eventually be the average dot live. So we've
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  Speaker 4: already purchased it, but it's not up and running yet,
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  Speaker 4: but you can find us there. Yeah, and our goal,
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  Speaker 4: like you, like you said, talking about movies changes the
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  Speaker 4: way we feel about them a lot, and so that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of where the name comes from, is taking a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of people's opinions and views about a film and
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  Speaker 4: averaging it into something that is easy to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, awesome. Steve, what about you man? Where can
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  Speaker 1: people find you?
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  Speaker 5: You guys can find me at after Hours video on YouTube, Instagram,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: TikTok x, Facebook, you name it, Jesus all over the place.
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  Speaker 3: Steve's getting around space.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him on LinkedIn.
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  Speaker 5: I'm bringing my space back and Chuck what about you man?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so you can follow me on Instagram at Chuck
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: Underscore Savage and that's basically where I mainly dwell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. Yeah, same here. I am only
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. You can find me under Bearded film Guy
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: always on there, and that's kind of where we post.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: Most of the beyond the blood stuff now are For now,
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  Speaker 1: we do have an Instagram in the works, so we
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: will be officially doing that sometime soon, once we kind
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: of get this whole thing, you know, figured out better
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  Speaker 1: every episode, which is, you know, what we want to
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  Speaker 1: be doing. So I want to thank you guys, and
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  Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a little reminder sometimes
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  Speaker 1: dead is better