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261: The Forgotten Famous · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 8: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 9: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Josh.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Jen. And we are coming to you live via
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  Speaker 5: digital recording from Josh's studio. So thank you for letting
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  Speaker 5: us come loiter around in your space here.
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  Speaker 10: My pleasure.
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  Speaker 5: So, this week, we did this last year, and I
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  Speaker 5: thought it was kind of interesting. We went through the
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  Speaker 5: people that had passed away the previous year. And the
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  Speaker 5: odd thing is we had this planned out, what, a
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  Speaker 5: week and a half, two weeks ago? And it was
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  Speaker 5: just yesterday when we got into the prep on this
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  Speaker 5: that the internet broke because people lost their mind when
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  Speaker 5: Philip Seymour Hoffman died. So, I guess that's our intro,
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  Speaker 5: is what do you guys... I think more than, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you can't, what do you think about it? Obviously, it's sad. But, like,
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  Speaker 5: the response that people had to it was kind of odd.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. They, like, lost their minds. Like, I've
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  Speaker 5: never seen more posts about someone. Like, I will always
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  Speaker 5: post when some actor dies. It's kind of what we
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  Speaker 5: do now. And, like, usually it'll be one or two
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  Speaker 5: other people in our, like, little movie geek group that
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  Speaker 5: I will see also posting stuff about it. But this, like, everybody, like,
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  Speaker 5: every post last night was, like, Nothing but some sort
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  Speaker 5: of weird comment about Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Was that just me, or was that odd?
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  Speaker 9: No, and I think it saturated mainstream media, too. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: it was all over CNN. I mean, in the hours
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  Speaker 9: leading up to the Super Bowl, there was nothing but
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  Speaker 9: Philip Seymour Hoffman coverage on CNN, which was amazing. I
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  Speaker 9: don't think I fully understood... i don't know i don't
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  Speaker 9: know is it because he was a big honking movie
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  Speaker 9: star i mean everybody's acting like he was the most
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  Speaker 9: famous actor ever but i never really thought of him
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  Speaker 9: that way but i guess there's something.
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  Speaker 5: Resonant i mean he was always kind of character actory
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  Speaker 5: like especially i mean he's i guess had a few
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  Speaker 5: leads but i mean pretty much all the time he's
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  Speaker 5: sort of brought in as like and look who we
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  Speaker 5: got because he's a solid actor but yeah he's not
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  Speaker 5: like I mean, he's A-list, but he's A-list character actor.
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  Speaker 5: He's not leading man, usually, and he doesn't get those
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  Speaker 5: kind of big movies. If he gets leading man, it's
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  Speaker 5: something a little more weird in our house, which usually
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  Speaker 5: means mainstream people could care less about. So it is odd,
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  Speaker 5: I thought.
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  Speaker 9: It's exciting. I feel like I've seen a lot of
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  Speaker 9: articles today about character acting as a phenomenon, which is exciting,
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  Speaker 9: because that's sort of... That's my niche.
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  Speaker 5: That's my thing, man.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think anyone saw it coming because you didn't
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  Speaker 11: really hear that he was a drug user and you
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  Speaker 11: didn't really hear the stories coming up to it that
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  Speaker 11: it might happen and then poof, he's gone.
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  Speaker 9: Which probably contributed.
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  Speaker 10: Could be too, just the frenzy of the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 10: just that everybody was just sitting there waiting for something.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing else to do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, could be.
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  Speaker 10: It is interesting though to see how people tend to project.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know if I saw much of that, but
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  Speaker 10: you know how people kind of project themselves into when
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  Speaker 10: someone dies. Then it frenzies up and everybody's passing stuff around.
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  Speaker 10: I didn't pay attention to too much of it. I
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  Speaker 10: did read a few articles that were pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 5: It was just so widespread. I was comparing it to
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  Speaker 5: the other big one that was sort of unexpected. It
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  Speaker 5: was the Heath Ledger thing. I still feel like that
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  Speaker 5: didn't get near the amount of attention that this one did.
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  Speaker 5: And my other thought was maybe it's just because that was, what, five,
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  Speaker 5: six years or more ago when that happened? I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I guess so many more people are now just Facebook
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  Speaker 5: is ingrained in their day-to-day life that maybe it just
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  Speaker 5: got more reaction because there's more people and more mainstream
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  Speaker 5: people just attached to Facebook all day now. So maybe
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  Speaker 5: that's part of it.
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  Speaker 11: Maybe because he was so diverse that he pulled in
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  Speaker 11: more people.
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  Speaker 5: To be like, oh, my God. That guy from Twister's dead?
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  Speaker 9: He died with a needle in him.
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  Speaker 5: That's the thing. I mean, there were a few smartasses
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  Speaker 5: on our feed that were just like, dude, I loved
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  Speaker 5: him in Twister. I'm like, yes, not his Oscar-winning roles,
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  Speaker 5: not his Academy Award-nominated performances. No, he was really awesome
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  Speaker 5: in My Boyfriend's Back. Okay, wait, that was just my poll,
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  Speaker 5: but I always remembered it from that because what odd miscasting.
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  Speaker 5: If you haven't seen it, he's the douchey jock guy
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  Speaker 5: that's pushing the kid around. Philip Seymour Hoffman is the
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  Speaker 5: jock guy who's pushing our hero around.
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  Speaker 4: Which movie?
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  Speaker 5: My Boyfriend's Back. Okay, I was still thinking Twister. No, no.
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  Speaker 5: He's just one of the random guys in Twister. There's
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  Speaker 5: many of them. At the time, I guess I didn't
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  Speaker 5: know any better, but looking back at it later, I
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  Speaker 5: was like, what weird miscasting for the entire rest of
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  Speaker 5: his career.
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  Speaker 9: Well, isn't that, I haven't actually seen his first role.
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  Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, what's going on with my brain right now?
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  Speaker 9: This is why I bring the iPad. The Al Pacino movie.
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  Speaker 5: Son of a Woman?
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  Speaker 9: Son of a Woman. I haven't seen that movie.
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  Speaker 5: I forgot I saw it. He plays sort of this or.
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  Speaker 9: She, that kind of character too.
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  Speaker 5: I forgot he was in that too. I kind of
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  Speaker 5: remember it now that you say that, but yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: been so long.
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  Speaker 6: I still don't.
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  Speaker 10: But now I think I immediately thought of Synecdoche, New York.
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  Speaker 5: I think everybody I've talked to has mentioned that one.
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  Speaker 5: I think that hits with the other half. It's like
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  Speaker 5: Twister or Synecdoche, New York.
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  Speaker 10: But also how that's just a narrative of a just
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  Speaker 10: sort of a meta breakdown that he had of that character.
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  Speaker 10: That's a brilliant movie. It's hard to get through though.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. A little bit. Well and I think it's weird
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  Speaker 5: that I don't know with him that, that he went
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  Speaker 5: like hearing the news again, I don't think I'd paid
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  Speaker 5: that much attention to his personal life or whatever, but
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  Speaker 5: that he'd went on like 26 years of sobriety. And
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  Speaker 5: then last year kind of fell off the wagon and
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  Speaker 5: started doing stuff. And I don't know, that just seems
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  Speaker 5: really weird that he went that long into his life
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  Speaker 5: and into what was, you know, a pretty successful career.
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  Speaker 5: And then like, what the hell was it that spiraled
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  Speaker 5: him off into this? I don't know. I thought that
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  Speaker 5: was strange too. It's different if you're just one of
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  Speaker 5: those people that's every year on again, off again, and
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  Speaker 5: you kind of see it coming. But to go 26 years,
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  Speaker 5: like that's a huge run for somebody to then like
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  Speaker 5: totally go off the rails again.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 9: Especially when he seems like the height of stability. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: he's got three kids and he's walking them to school
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  Speaker 9: every morning and he's got multiple projects happening.
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  Speaker 11: And it's not like he just got famous and had
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  Speaker 11: to figure that out. He's already been there doing that.
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  Speaker 8: Very weird.
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  Speaker 5: It makes me think.
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  Speaker 9: But maybe he found out he had cancer.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: There you go.
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  Speaker 5: He forgot to jump off a bridge. Oops. That was
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  Speaker 5: the plan we laid out. It also made me think, man,
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  Speaker 5: maybe they shouldn't have written that other guy out of
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  Speaker 5: the Hunger Games book.
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  Speaker 12: Series that's right i was like now what are they
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  Speaker 12: gonna do somebody's furiously rewriting right now.
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  Speaker 9: Well that was what was most heartbreaking to me because
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  Speaker 9: when i turned on cnn initially it was just like
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  Speaker 9: and so what's gonna happen with the hunger games and
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  Speaker 9: it was like oh this should.
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  Speaker 5: Not be that's what yeah that's what the whole of
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  Speaker 5: the country is what are we gonna do we've got
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  Speaker 5: two more movies to make so i guess the first
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  Speaker 5: strike in the battle that's taking place now they're gonna
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  Speaker 5: have to take him out or something like that he's
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  Speaker 5: going down yeah your character is in trouble dude but
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  Speaker 5: i don't So I mean that, and we also just
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  Speaker 5: lost Maximilian Schell? I don't know. We're not going to
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  Speaker 5: touch too much on this, I guess. If we're going
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  Speaker 5: by the way we did it last year, we were
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  Speaker 5: sort of setting this up as the Oscars do their
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  Speaker 5: little memorandum thing, and they usually forget a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people that should be in there, or we decided last
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  Speaker 5: time there was a lot of politics involved, so I
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  Speaker 5: don't know. We were trying to do our own version
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  Speaker 5: so we could just talk about the people we wanted
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  Speaker 5: to talk about, but they always do it as the
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  Speaker 5: set year, not so much like from one recording session
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  Speaker 5: to the next. So I guess if we want to
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  Speaker 5: stick with that, we'll sort of address some of the
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  Speaker 5: more recent people if we want, but we're hitting mostly
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  Speaker 5: people who died in 2013.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: My thing, my, my only other thought on the Philip
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  Speaker 5: Seymour Hoffman thing is just cause it keeps happening and
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  Speaker 5: we keep seeing this with so many, I guess the
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  Speaker 5: only people that get attention are actors and people who
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  Speaker 5: are famous, but I'm like specifically with all these performers that,
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  Speaker 5: We keep seeing this happening, too. I'm like, can we
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  Speaker 5: get one of those cheesy promises? They make you sign
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  Speaker 5: a promise not to drink and drive, and you'll call
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  Speaker 5: your mom and dad. or they'll promise not to text
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  Speaker 5: and drive or a promise not to have sex before
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  Speaker 5: marriage or one of those like cheesy promises can we
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  Speaker 5: get like a contract going with all performers to be
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  Speaker 5: like just sign this and you're not allowed to do
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  Speaker 5: drugs because look how it happens I don't know. You'd
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  Speaker 5: think after all of these examples, I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I know it sets in. It's a mental illness as
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  Speaker 5: much as a dependency, but I don't know. It's like
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  Speaker 5: we need some sort of system set up to try
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  Speaker 5: to get people away from that lifestyle.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think actors would just find another self-destructive.
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  Speaker 11: Way to drive fast cars.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Leading to another gentry.
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  Speaker 9: James Dean, when he was doing Giant, that was part
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  Speaker 9: of his contract was he wasn't allowed to race cars.
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  Speaker 9: And so the day he finished, he went.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: And, but then, yeah, but then died on the way
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  Speaker 9: to the car race.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know.
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  Speaker 5: What about David Carradine?
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  Speaker 2: Have they officially said what happened there I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how you would do you have a contract for not
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  Speaker 2: and Michael Hutchence that's a celebrity thing too I still
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  Speaker 2: I think our I think we decided when we talked
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  Speaker 2: about it there was foul play there like there was
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  Speaker 2: way too much weird.
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  Speaker 5: Stuff was that 2012 really no it was before that
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  Speaker 5: it was a while ago okay I'm pretty sure it
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  Speaker 5: was a couple years ago but no he I don't
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  Speaker 5: know there was a lot of weird stuff going on
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  Speaker 5: in and again once you're in another country there's an
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  Speaker 5: entire different set of rules So where he was, we
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  Speaker 5: decided he could be taken out pretty easily. And he'd
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  Speaker 5: kind of piss people off along the way, too. So anyway,
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  Speaker 5: we're going back.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to have to go back in the archives.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, go check that story. Because, yeah, there was a
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  Speaker 5: lot of weird stuff going on there. I'm not totally
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  Speaker 5: buying that.
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  Speaker 6: But anyway.
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  Speaker 5: So, 2013. Where do we want to, of the people
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  Speaker 5: who have died, died. Where would we like to begin?
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  Speaker 10: Peter O'Toole's one that kind of stuck out.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty huge. Do we have any Peter O'Toole memories?
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  Speaker 10: I did a little bit of reading on him. I
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  Speaker 10: didn't realize that Lawrence of Arabia was his first major film.
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  Speaker 10: That's pretty huge to put on the shoulders of someone.
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  Speaker 10: Unless I misread that, but I'm pretty sure that was
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  Speaker 10: the case. I just remember him being very orange in it.
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  Speaker 5: That happened a lot in the old movies. Really?
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  Speaker 11: You know the desert makes you orange that it does
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  Speaker 11: oh wait that's no that's a tanning booth yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's now i mean they didn't necessarily have those back
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  Speaker 5: in the day well maybe they did i'm sure there
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  Speaker 5: was some like experimental model somewhere where they were like
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  Speaker 5: microwaving people and then not telling when they went horribly
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  Speaker 5: wrong but.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah but have you seen um being there I have.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a long time. I remember it being pretty good, though. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's one I want to go revisit now because it's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of his. I feel like I haven't seen
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  Speaker 5: hardly any of the stuff, and what I have has
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  Speaker 5: been a long time ago, so I feel like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: after that, which I guess this is what happens with
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  Speaker 5: all of these. Once the person dies, everyone realizes they
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  Speaker 5: were the greatest thing ever, and then everybody goes back
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  Speaker 5: and rediscovers them.
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  Speaker 10: I came up with something called the Tupac syndrome.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's a little different, but I mean... Wait, so Peter
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  Speaker 5: O'Toole is going to start putting out more albums now?
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  Speaker 9: So he's still alive?
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  Speaker 10: Well, he actually, before he died, he played Tupac in
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  Speaker 10: his biopic, but... Anyway, that wasn't funny.
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  Speaker 9: So what is the Tupac syndrome?
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  Speaker 10: The Tupac syndrome is when someone dies... Well, especially in
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  Speaker 10: his case, people sort of rewrite his legacy.
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  Speaker 5: Because Tupac was a.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, he was awful. He did some pretty awful things,
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  Speaker 10: but after he dies, like, oh, he wrote a song
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  Speaker 10: for his mother. Let's, like, you know.
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  Speaker 5: That makes you awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We.
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  Speaker 5: Said that with a lot of people.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: We just went over that with the Michael Jackson syndrome.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, gosh.
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  Speaker 5: We hate him. We hate him.
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  Speaker 13: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 5: He was the greatest thing music ever had known.
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  Speaker 9: He was the king of pop.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: The way we said that.
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  Speaker 5: People change their tune, literally.
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  Speaker 9: I think for me, personally, I was the hardest hit
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  Speaker 9: by Karen Black. just because I worship her. And because
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  Speaker 9: I always thought that she would be a guest for
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  Speaker 9: Harry Dean's Dan Fest. I was just like, one of
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  Speaker 9: these years we'll get Karen Black for Cisco Pike and
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  Speaker 9: that'll be amazing. And we talked to her son Hunter
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  Speaker 9: about it and he was like, yeah, she'd totally be
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  Speaker 9: on board. And there was sort of this moment when
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  Speaker 9: I realized like, oh my goodness, all of these Harry
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  Speaker 9: Dean co-stars, we kind of need to get on the
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  Speaker 9: ball and get them here and not waste time because
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  Speaker 9: it's sort of an aging population.
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  Speaker 5: I feel that way on the show. Like there's so
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  Speaker 5: many people I've like, kind of plan to talk to
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  Speaker 5: or people have touched base with at one point, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, we'll have them back and do like
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  Speaker 5: a bigger, you know, segment or something. And then like,
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  Speaker 5: there's been a few that that's happened to. And it's,
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  Speaker 5: it's really sad, I guess, for our own weird, selfish reasons.
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  Speaker 5: We're like, I wanted to do something with them. How
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  Speaker 5: dare you die?
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  Speaker 9: But what about me?
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  Speaker 5: Look how your death has affected me. Again, that's how
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  Speaker 5: we kind of operate. I mean, we just in dealing
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  Speaker 5: with death in general, it's, you know, the person's gone.
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  Speaker 5: It does them no good, but we all take it
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  Speaker 5: personally and in our own weird way how we deal
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  Speaker 5: with it. So yeah, I think that's not just celebrity death.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's death in general.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, but she was such a, I feel like she's
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  Speaker 9: sort of underrated. I mean, she in her prime was
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  Speaker 9: such an unbelievably stunning actress. And I think later in
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  Speaker 9: life she took some roles which maybe didn't do much
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  Speaker 9: for her legacy. And so people have sort of forgotten
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  Speaker 9: how incredibly talented she was. But there's actually a Kentucky
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  Speaker 9: tie-in Um, when she'd been at Northwestern, she'd had a child,
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  Speaker 9: this all came out. I'm not, this is all public
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  Speaker 9: knowledge now, but she'd had a, she'd had a child and, uh,
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  Speaker 9: and had given it up for adoption. And I guess
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  Speaker 9: the adoption laws in Illinois were such that for decades,
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  Speaker 9: she wasn't, there was no way that they could contact
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  Speaker 9: each other. And then she got. a post on her
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  Speaker 9: fan page on Facebook saying, I was born on this
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  Speaker 9: day in Chicago and I think you might be my mom.
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  Speaker 9: And so she connected with her daughter who was living
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  Speaker 9: in Owensboro, I think. And this was just last year.
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  Speaker 9: So she got to connect with her mom and get
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: to know her before she passed away. But can you imagine?
• 16:08
  Speaker 9: Like you're an adopted kid and You spend decades wondering
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: who your mom is. It's like, oh, it's an academy-born
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: actress or whatever.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Isn't that what every adopted child tells themselves?
• 16:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah, my mom's a movie star.
• 16:19
  Speaker 9: My real mom's a movie star.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: She's really cool.
• 16:21
  Speaker 9: She hangs out with Dennis Hopper. You guys are lame.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: You lame adopted parents. Yeah, I think that's what every
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: adopted child tells themselves secretly. Or angrily yells at their
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: adopted parents. Yeah, just all the stuff she ended up in.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: easy rider and five easy pieces in nashville and like
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: all of those like huge 70s like you know monumental
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: movies yeah i.
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: Think five easy pieces is one of my favorite female
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: performances ever i mean all the performances.
• 16:52
  Speaker 10: But i think it's such an that was her huh
• 16:55
  Speaker 10: yeah wow i love that ending yeah it's a great ending.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Roper, Williams, and Lee, the deadly three, penetrate the secret
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: chambers of an evil island empire.
• 17:30
  Speaker 10: What do you know about Han?
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: He lives like a king on that island, totally self-sufficient.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: A fortress without walls, protected by an invincible army that
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: needs no ordinary weapons.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: This is Enter the Dragon, the first.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Martial arts film produced by a major Hollywood studio. John
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Saxon is Roper. He was in it for the money.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: U.S.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Karate champion Jim Kelly as Williams. He was there because
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: he had no choice. Black Belt Hall of Fame undisputed
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: martial arts champion and international film star Bruce Lee.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: His job was to get them out alive.
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: I'm hoping you'll join us, represent us in the United States.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: You want me to join this?
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Roper, Williams, and Lee.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Just when they think they've broken the secret of.
• 18:25
  Speaker 14: The island, they find there is no escape from the
• 18:29
  Speaker 14: inscrutable Han. Warner Brothers presents Enter the Dragons. where the
• 18:39
  Speaker 14: world's greatest martial arts athletes meet the ultimate challenge with
• 18:44
  Speaker 14: the most ancient and deadly of weapons, the human body.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Enter the dragon from Warner Brothers.
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: Well, that's another Kentucky connection because Jim Kelly is from Kentucky.
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: And I forgot about that. That's like a serious loss.
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: And he like went to play football at UofL. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: then he was like, I don't know, this sucks. I'd
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: rather do martial arts. So he came to Lexington and like,
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: what did he start a dojo there? Did he just
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: train there?
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. But I mean, he
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: was like world class. Like he advanced in that field,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: you know, amazing at that point. You know, he sort
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: of proved himself there to the point where they were like, hey,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: come be in this movie with Bruce Lee, you know, so.
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: That's such an interesting trajectory for like a small town,
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: you know, Kentucky boy who grew up playing football and
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: had an opportunity to do so at college and was like, no,
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: not for me. I'm going this weird Eastern route.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And that is one of those. sad weird stories
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: because i had i'd actually was he came to our
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: town one of the times and i sat there all
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: weekend trying to coordinate it so that i could get
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: over there when he didn't and he always had people
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: like he he's still like he had people that would
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: just go up there and I would stand there and
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: they would just be talking to him. They would, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: they would all have martial arts stories and they're like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: I love this movie. And they would, they, so it
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: was like that all weekend. Like he wasn't lying out
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: the door, but like he always had people because people
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: still like really loved him. And like, I don't know.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: He had, he seemed like really personable and he wanted
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: to stand there and talk to him. So I just
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: kept trying to balance it out. And he always had
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: people and didn't get a chance to try to set
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: it up. When he came to town to your town
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: that next time, um, And didn't get a hold of
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: him and couldn't get in there. And then, like, within
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: a few months, he was dead. And that kind of sucks. So, again,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: just our own selfish reasons. But I would have liked
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: to have sat there and talked to him. And I
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: would have liked to have had him, you know, on
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: the show. And didn't get to him. Kind of sucks
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: when that happens.
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: Seize the day, people. Value your movie stars.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Tell the ones.
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: You love that you love them.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: Oh, wait.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Did we get sappy first? Tell Jim Kelly that you
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: love him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: That's almost creepy.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: You can tell him now he's in the universe he'll
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: get it he'll get your message it'll translate up I
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: will go lightly on this one because we already devoted
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: an entire episode to it but I mean again being
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: movie geeks you have to kind of acknowledge Ray Harryhausen
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: and yeah again just go back I mean there is
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: an entire episode where we sat and talked about his
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: impact on filmmaking and on special effects and we actually
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: had some great guests on that talked about, you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: how they were inspired by him. So yeah, there's, there's
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: one back in the summer of this past year that
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: it did remembering Ray, I believe is the title. So
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: if you, if you need more on the Ray Harryhausen thing,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: there is an entire episode devoted to him, but yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: that was, that was a huge thing. That was as
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a kid, like I attached myself to his work quite
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: a bit. And I think that's, why I have so
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: many problems with special effects as they are now is
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: because I watched the real version in my mind. Again,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: that's all subjective, but I liked the way his stop
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: motion in particular went compared to most of the stuff
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: they're doing now. Not all, there are some good, there
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: is good CGI out there, but it is abused horribly
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: a lot of the time. So yeah, that was one that, that,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, again, there are certain ones that I guess
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: you're not as shocked by.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: He was 92.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: So, you know, Those are a little more, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: you kind of know those are coming, but it still
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: sucks when you see like these major influential people pass on.
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: I have a general story about people who died in
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: 2013 that you could put in somewhere as a transition
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: if you really wanted to.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: General story or funny story? Here's a funny story about
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: dead people.
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: Speaking of dead people, what was that, the jack-o'-lantern walk
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: that happened here in Louisville around.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: I've seen one of those. It was several years ago,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: but I've been to one of those.
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: There was something important about this. I just got dragged
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: to it by a friend and was delighted by it
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: because it's huge and it goes on forever.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: It's a lot of jack-o'-lanterns.
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: It's a lot of jack-o'-lanterns, and it runs for a
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: few weeks, so they have to trade out the jack-o'-lanterns.
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: Some of them rot. You have to get new jack-o'-lanterns.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: I don't know if they laser cut them. I don't
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: know how they do them, but it's really impressive. At
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: the very end of the walk, they had a deaths
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: of 2013 tribute so there was margaret thatcher jack-o'-lantern and
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: there was the jonathan winters jack-o'-lantern and it was really
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: fun to try to well not that sounds morbid but
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: it was really fun to sort of like identify because
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: they're not you know it's a little it's a little
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: abstract somebody's face and a jack-o'-lantern but there's this one
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: jack-o'-lantern and we were trying to think of you know
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: check off the people james there's a james gandolfini jack-o'-lantern
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: And we were trying to check off sort of the
• 23:44
  Speaker 9: names because there was this one face we couldn't figure out.
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: And we were like, well, this person died. Is it
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: that person?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: No.
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: Is it this person?
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: No.
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: And we spent a lot of time on it. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: then we were like, okay, well, we should probably let
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: this go. So we walk out and there's a guy there.
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: And he's like, do you have any questions? And we're like, well, actually,
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: we do. There's this one jack-o'-lantern at the end of
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: the 2013, like, you know, people who died little tribute.
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: And we can't figure out who he was. And he's like, oh, well,
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: that's an interesting story.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: A couple weeks ago, there was a gentleman here, an
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: elderly gentleman, and he walked through the tour. At the
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: very end of the tour, right after the tribute to
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: the people who died in 2013, he walked out and
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: he dropped dead in the parking lot. So we decided
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: it would be a fitting tribute to give him a jack-o'-lantern.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: And it was that dude! In between Maggie Thatcher and
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: James Gandolfini was the sweet old man who dropped dead
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: quite happily, I would assume. They said that it wasn't
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: like anything. It was just old age. It just took
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: him down in the parking lot.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: That's the way to go. He got overwhelmed by jack-o'-lanterns.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: In the middle of jack-o'-lanterns. See, now this was a
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: cool goosebump story at the end. They would be like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: but who is that? And he'd go, that's you. It
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: would be a crazy twist. And you'd be creeped out
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: and you'd go to bed because your mom would yell
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: at you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: So do we want to hit some of those pumpkin people?
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: I mean, we can hit James Gandolfini.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: That was definitely one.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: That was a weird tie-in. I didn't mean to do that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: He didn't get hit. He hit people all the time
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: in the show. I don't think that was real. I
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: don't think that was his actual.
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: I don't know. He did that in Get Shorty, too, though.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: He played it very well.
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: And he kind of did that in True Romance. Didn't
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: he do that in The Mexican?
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: I think we see some typecasting going on here.
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: A little bit.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: That was my thing. Again, that was one that sort
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: of caught people off guard. I mean, he wasn't young,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: and he, I guess, had not the most healthy lifestyle.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: But still, you didn't see that coming. But that was
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: my first, like... And I guess that's the first time
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: I kind of connected with him, too. He'd been in
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: stuff before. But that scene in True Romance, I mean,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: in a film that is littered with amazing performances, like
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: every scene... I mean, you know, it's not even like
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: our main characters. It's the other characters that are brought
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: in all deliver these amazing scenes.
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: The best Brad Pitt scene ever. Sorry, I'm starting that
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: out there. Only good Brad Pitt.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Only because you like cleaning products. But it's like that scene, like, again,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: to stand out in that cast, in that film, is
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: just like... And he did. Like, it's one of those,
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: you're like, who is that guy? Yeah, it's like that
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: moment when you're sitting in the theater and you're like...
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I get a feeling I'm going to see more of him.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: And it definitely panned out and you see plenty more
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: of him. But that scene, still, I went back and
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: watched it that day. As soon as Facebook was overrun
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: with those posts, not quite recently, but there were still
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: a lot of posts. That one was one that people
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: really reacted to. And that was the first thing I did,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: was go back and watch that scene. And it's so good.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: He's just so... And what could have been such a lightweight...
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: performance if it you know if you gave it to
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: a lesser actor it's like it's not a huge part
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: of the movie it's one little transition scene with patricia
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: arquette and like it could have just been nothing but
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: some guy trying to come in and kill her and
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: she kills him and that's the end but that little
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: interaction that they have is so good i don't know
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: that's still kind of my go-to for him is is
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: that scene in true romance.
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: And i think she's so much better in that scene
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: than she generally is too which i think is probably
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: part of partially due to him his ability brings.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: That out in people uh what i was i guess
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: i mean it is funny he got kind of thrown
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: into once the sopranos happened it took over his career
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: as well as the rest of his life it seemed
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: to so it really was something for him to try
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: to break out of but i feel like he like
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: he was turning in those performances along the way that
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: he was showing he could do other stuff and he
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: had range and like you get stuff like it's still
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: like i'll hear people on the side kind of you
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: know mentioned in the loop is one of his best
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: performances that people kind of forget about and then i
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: i don't know people are so black and white on
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: where the wild things are but i think his vocal
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: performance is so fitting to that character that like again
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: it's just stuff like that that like could have gone
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: horribly bad but you give it to him and it
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: turns into something really impressive so he just it seemed
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: like that last couple of years he started turning in
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: stuff that was like even in that type of role,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: he was bringing more to it. He was like these
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: last few of like not fade away and killing them softly.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: And even enough said is like totally their departure, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: a different kind of direction and was sort of well received. It,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I guess was a sad way to look at it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: You know, that was his last movie. At least they
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: got released. I think there's still one that was in
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: the works, but it may have been his last completed movie,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: but he started trying to do and break out of
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: that mold.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: Oh he was in the man that wasn't there that's
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: right yeah.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: That's another one that's one of those that the movie
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: itself is kind of forgotten.
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: About but yeah i think that's one of their better ones.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: It's again it's them they're constantly coming at you with
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: left turns and like that's another one of those you'd
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: like didn't see coming and is amazing and impressive and
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: then you're like what Wait, what was that? And then
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: they'll do something totally different after that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: So they usually do kind of a milder movie in
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: between bigger ones. That was right after Fargo?
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: Was it in between Fargo and Big Lebowski?
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: It was a few years after Fargo, I think, wasn't it?
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: I think it was right before... It was 2001. Intolerable Cruelty,
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: which is one everybody hates, but I actually love.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: See, that's another one of those people totally forget about.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: There's all those off ones of theirs that people are
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: just like, oh, they did make that, didn't they? so
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: do we want to address paul walker since we reference
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: people dying in car crashes it was one of again do.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: What and porsche is no less well i think there's
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: it happens yeah lesson to learn but he wasn't driving no.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I just found that out. I thought he was.
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: So what was the deal? This was sort of like
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: a side thing? He was charging people to ride with
• 29:59
  Speaker 10: him or something?
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Wasn't that the thing?
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: Everyone broke that day.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: In his defense, who wouldn't want to ride around with Paul?
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'd ride around with Paul. No, I thought
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: that was the thing. It was like a little side job.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's how it went. I had to
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: learn that one.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I knew how to do that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: That's the most amazing extrapolation of that series of events ever.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: I kind of want to make that happen. That could
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: be a graphic.
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: No, it was actually, I guess, one of his best friends, sadly.
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: And they had been at a charity event. And I
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: guess the story that I heard was that the valet
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: didn't know how to drive the car. Because I guess
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: maybe it was a sticker or it was just super
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: fancy or there was something he just didn't know how
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: to do. And so they're like, well, we'll go ahead
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: and park it ourselves. And then I guess Paul Walker
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: was like, well, let's take it around the block first.
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: And that's what happened.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because he had just, like, I think he had just, like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: said something to his daughter, like, right before he left.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: He's like, hey, I'll be back in a minute. And, like,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: they said from the event they could see the smoke. Like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: they were literally around the corner from it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: I forgot what even happened. They just lost control?
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: They were speeding and just lost control and hit a tree.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: It's weird how's that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: It is yeah like i understand the james dean thing
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: because it was this big long highway and everything else
• 31:19
  Speaker 11: and he but right that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Was just in the city yeah to get going that
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: fast and to be able to like that car was
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: annihilated like it really and just like how fast were
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: they going to like to immediately turn it into a
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: fireball like That's a lot of speed. Like, the fact
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: that you could get that much from where they were
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: on a city street in that short amount of time,
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: and I don't know, it's very strange.
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: You know, I saw a thing about James Dean when he, right,
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: someone stole the car. the wrecked carcass of the car.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: There's a whole weird story about that, isn't there?
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a huge story that goes on forever about
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: all the weird places that wound up and terrible things
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: that happened to the people that had it in their possession.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: I saw it, like, I remember, like, in the 90s, maybe?
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: It was for sale in some catalog. It was like
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: a collector's kind of catalog. It had autographs and stuff
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: and they had, it was just basically that frame, like,
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: everything else was destroyed, but it's basically the framework of
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: the spider and you could buy it. Like, it was
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: there and, like, I guess it also comes with a
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: free curse. If you act now, we'll throw in your death.
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: Guaranteed death in court.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: Well, someone did a sculpture, like a bust of him,
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: because he's from northern Indiana.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: And someone stole that right away.
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: Well, they had to move his body because people were
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: trying to dig up his grave after he was first buried.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: I mean, people were stealing his headstone. I mean, it's crazy.
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: Strange fascinations.
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: There's a Morrissey video that he filmed in Indiana.
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: That's actually how I got into the Smiths, weirdly. I
• 32:52
  Speaker 9: was obsessed with James Dean when I was a kid.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Weirdly obsessed.
• 32:56
  Speaker 9: Not like stealing bodies obsessed.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: There's a fine line. Let's just put it that way.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Fine line.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: I used to always have my parents, I would beg
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: them to take me because they have an annual tribute
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: of a weekend festival at Fairmount. And I went and
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: I was at the music store there and there were
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: all these pictures of this guy with this like trench coat,
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: like standing next to like this grave. And they were
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: all over the wall. And so I asked somebody there,
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: I was like, who are these pictures of? And they're like, well,
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: it was this funny English fellow that came here. I
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: guess he's real famous over there, but he came here
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: to do a video, so we put the photos up.
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: And so I looked into it, and I was like, ooh.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Not so huge in Indiana.
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: Well, it was actually in their defense. It was right
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: before his first solo record came out. So maybe they
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: just didn't know he was a Smith.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was Viva Hate.
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I remember watching the video. It was on a compilation,
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: something that someone gave me, and I recognized the sign.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: What's that?
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: Was it Homerist? The compilation?
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: No, it was just a mix of stuff somebody recorded.
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: I just saw those highway signs. It looks like Indiana,
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: and sure enough, he was right there.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: The Paul Walker thing I thought was weird. I guess, again,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: with all these people, maybe you don't know anything about
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: their personal life. As much as we sensationalize people and
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: we flood the media with nothing but stories about celebrities...
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I feel like there are so many people that you
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: really don't know anything about them until after they die. Like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I assumed Paul Walker was that pretty guy who makes
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of movies with cars. And, like, he was both. But, like, as, like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: as soon as he died, they started going into all, like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: he's this huge philanthropist. And I was like, wait, wait, wait,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: Paul Walker? Like, I don't think I've ever, and obviously
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: it was huge, but, like, I don't live in that city.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: I guess I didn't see any of the posts about
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: things he was putting together, but. It was a huge,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: like his, it was like Reach Out Worldwide, which was
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: like relief efforts for natural disasters. Like who would have
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: known Paul Walker? Like that's amazing. That's great. But like
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: you don't know that kind of stuff until after the
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: fact a lot of the time.
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: What else did he do besides the car movies? There
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: was something I saw.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I'm going with mine. My go-to before I ever paid
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: attention to him in Fast and Furious, his other car
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: movie was Joyride is awesome. I don't care what anybody says.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: It's one of those that got thrown out as, again,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: sort of an exploitation kind of, oh, it's a killer
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: on the road kind of movie. But if you go
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: back and watch it, it's a solid movie, and it's
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: a really good thriller, and Steve Zahn is not as
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: annoying as he is in other roles. It's an interesting
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: mixture of them and that plot. I stand by Joyride.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: I don't care.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: So which ones were you thinking of?
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: Well, apparently he was in Varsity Blues.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Which I forgot about that. Yeah, see, I avoided that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: No, it makes sense. He's the one who broke his leg.
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: I had a friend who thought that was the best
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: worst movie on the planet.
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: So you would end up seeing this movie and just
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: laughing your ass off because he enjoyed it so much.
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: So that's a bad movie.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Along with a lot of weird sports movies.
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: He was in Timeline.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. I just watched that in the last year
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: or so. What an odd movie that is, isn't it?
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: He was in Pleasantville. I didn't know that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I forgot about that one. The other
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: thing that was weird, like, again, of his other stuff,
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: like learning about his life, they list Paul's first passion
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: was marine biology, which, again, he was actually doing. He
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: joined the board of directors of the Bill Fish Foundation,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: and he actually did a National Geographic channel series about
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: great white sharks, and he actually spent 11 days as
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: part of the crew.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Like, how do you know Pretty Boy was into marine biology?
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: It was just like, I didn't see all this coming.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's kind of a testament to how
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: kind of, I guess, apparently awesome of a dude he
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: was that we didn't know anything about his philanthropy. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: don't know if there was that story, which may or
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: may not be true. I'm going to say it's true.
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: That was circulating on Facebook about the engagement ring.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Did anybody pick up on that story? Again, as soon
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: as he died, the stories came out that he was
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the most awesome person on earth. And if that one's true...
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: He might be. That's pretty damn, I mean, like, completely
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: selfless and for no good reason other than I guess
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: he could.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: What else is he going to do with all that money?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's easier to be nice if you're loaded,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I suppose. But you don't have to be. You could
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: be a dick like most people.
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: Or you could be nice and need credit for it
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: all the time. Because I guess the story is that
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: he was, like, at a jewelry store and there was, like,
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: a veteran next to him who just come back from work.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: the war and he was buying an engagement ring for
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: his fiance but he didn't like have enough money to
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: buy what he really wanted so paul walker wound up
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: buying it for him but like telling the sales staff
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: that they were not allowed to tell him that paul
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: walker had bought this engagement ring for his fiance and
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: so it wasn't until he died that she would felt
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: that she could reach out to this couple and be
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: like you know that engagement ring that we just gave
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: you that was actually paul walker But he.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Stood in there, like, talking to them, so I guess
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: they knew who he was, and he was just like.
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: Oh, which one do you really like?
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's funny that, like, he was just kind
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: of like, hey, what you guys doing? Like, oh, okay, here,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: give him that ring. Again, like, who does that? That's
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: kind of amazing. So I'll assume that's true because, you know,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: he seems like a pretty good guy. Why would it not?
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Would you bother making that story?
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: I mean, if you wanted publicity for your jewelry story, maybe.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you were the guy and you actually
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: bought that ring, you'd be like, hell no, I bought
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: that ring.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in debt for the rest of my life for
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that damn ring.
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: I hadn't thought about that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, why would you make that up? I'd
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: be like, no, that is my ring. I paid for
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: that ring.
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: I wonder if that tore that relationship apart.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: She loves Paul Walker more than me.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: Why did she marry Paul Walker?
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Well, that wouldn't have gone well either.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: Uh-oh.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: All of these stories kind of end one way. I
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: hate to tell you, but none of these are happy stories.
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: He was also in Running Scared. I don't know if
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: anybody saw that. It should have been a terrible movie,
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: and it was a terrible movie, but it was also
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: a great movie.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: The only crystal movie? Different Running Scared. That's what I thought.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I love Gregory.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: It was this very dark film with Vera Farmiga in
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: it that is kind of amazing. It's... They very much
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: sold it as a different movie than it was. It
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: was supposed to be like an action movie in the trailers,
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: but really it was this very sort of dark, sort
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: of fractured fairy tale sort of thing about a boy
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: trying to escape this life of his.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Well, another one I'll just mention so people don't say
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: we forgot it, but I won't go into it because
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: we kind of did. a whole little thing on this
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: when he passed Roger Ebert was kind of huge in
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: the film world and I think we should at least
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: add him to the list here but yeah again this
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: was early in the year we that was sort of
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: our intro on that episode we did a little wrap
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: up on that so we have at least touched on
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: the Roger Ebert thing in the past so he was
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: pretty awesome.
• 39:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he was awesome. And he liked to eat spaghetti
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: while he watched movies.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's, that's, so the story goes. He's another one
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: of those though. You found out so much more about
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: him those last couple of years that you're like, really?
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: It was like the shit that he went through and
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: the stuff that he was dealing with that like, he
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: just kept writing every day. Like as much horror as
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: was going on in his life, he's just like, and
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: I put out four new reviews yesterday. It's like, geez,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: he was so much more productive in those last few
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: years because that's what he had. That's the one thing
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: left he could do. Yeah, he was pretty impressive, regardless
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: of if you like to disagree with him a lot,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: but so did Gene. It's okay. Do we have any
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Jonathan Winters stories? To me, he was one of those,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: especially with comedy, you either kind of get their comedy.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: You click with it or you don't. And it was
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: one of those, I always appreciated him. He was very
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: influential and a lot of people cite him as one
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: of their big influences, but I just kind of never
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: got into his comedy. But that's just me.
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: Well, I think what was funny about him, he always
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: seemed to have more in his head than he was
• 41:08
  Speaker 10: actually letting... There was more to the joke than what
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: he was... I don't know if that makes sense. He
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: just sort of had this knowledge about him.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Well, it was almost like it was a bigger joke
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: that you were just coming in on part of it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Like he would, he would come up like it was
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: like his character had backstory that he would never tell
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: you about, but it felt like he had invested so
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: much in creating these characters, the crazy characters and stuff
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: that like the backstory and the work that he did
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: was probably more impressive than the actual like five minutes
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: you would get with him on some variety show. It's like, I, I,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: you know, I, I always give him credit. Like he
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: was very dedicated to comedy and like, doing something different
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: with comedy, but usually I just didn't connect with a
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: lot of the performances, but I mean, he was, he
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: was well-respected definitely in the comedy scene.
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: I loved him in Mark and Mindy. I loved him
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: in It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, maybe.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Extra Mads. Throw some more Mads in there.
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: A couple Mads in their world.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: I always loved that. Anyway. everybody in that is just
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: too much fun.
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: I actually did Mourn for Jonathan Winters like 7 years
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: ago so I got all the sadness out of my
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: system I was completely convinced he had died and I
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: don't know why except for the fact that he was
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: elderly but we used to do this team trivia thing
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: once a week and we had a question that was
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: like dead or alive and I staked our whole team
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: and ruined everybody was very angry at me because I
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: was positive that Jonathan Winters and I'm usually pretty good
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: at those I was positive that Jonathan Winters was dead
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: So while his passing was upsetting to me on a
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: personal level, I felt like it had already gone through
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: all the stages.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: And you tried to cash in on your points then.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: You called the place up. You're like, look, I'm right.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: It just took seven years, but I'm totally right. Oh,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: let's see. I at least wanted to acknowledge Annette Funicello
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: in my early Mouseketeer days, you know. I don't know
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: that I was sold on her the way most kids
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: were at that point, but I thought it was more
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: interesting that like when she grew up to get into
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: the movies, like that weird run of beach movies that
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: like couldn't have happened without her and Frankie. So it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: like everything, they created this weird sub genre and like
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: it spun off and there were all these other ones
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: that didn't have anything to do with them, but it
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: all kind of came from, you know, I guess there
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: was like running through all these like beach party, muscle
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: beach party, bikini beach, pajama party, beach blanket bingo and
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: how to stuff a wild bikini all within a three
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: year span wow that's a lot of movies about one
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: thing or at least centering around one location.
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: That beach party was.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: Awesome one big beach party and she still fell into
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: that weird thing of you can't show your navel which
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: is funny like at that point when everything like Barbara
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Eden had that issue too and like So she, like,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: and it was mostly, like, the Disney thing. Disney requested
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: that she only wear one-piece bathing suits because she was
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: a mascoteer. Or at least that she keep her navel covered.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: So even the two-piece she had, I think, had a
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: weird fishnet, high-waisted, yeah, some sort of craziness covering up
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: her navel, which I'm not sure why that's such.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: A big deal. Was she still a mascoteer when she
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: did those?
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: No.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Again, at that point, I think, hadn't the show already
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: shut down at that point and maybe a new incarnation.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: They kept rebooting it every 10 years or so. And
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: it usually didn't take every time they kept trying that,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: but the first run was really the only one that
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: kind of was successful, but no, but I think anytime
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: you're connected to Disney, they're kind of like the mafia.
• 44:49
  Speaker 9: They have strange contracts.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: I would think you're in, you're in for life.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: That's pretty much how it works until you do spring breakers.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Oh no, you're still, you have to get it cleared
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: through Walt. they, they, they thaw him out and they're like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: is this okay? And he nods. That's really all I
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: can do. But anyway, but I do remember like we,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: we just recently, uh, we were watching back to the beach,
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: which was sort of their reboot attempt, which is, it's
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: not a great movie. I'll tell you, but it is funny.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Like as we were watching it, one of the other
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: people sitting there going, you can kind of tell, like
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: she's already dealing with stuff. Like she's, she's, she seems
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: like she's on light duty. You know, she's not running
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: around the whole time. Like you can kind of tell
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: something's going on. And it was right at that time
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: that she was starting to piece together. Like, I think
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: even she wasn't a hundred percent sure. She just figured
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: it out and didn't want to tell people because she
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: didn't want. So yeah, they said she was having like
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: dizzy spells and stuff during the filming of this. So it,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I think that's when it all kicked in. And later
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: she came out and wanted to publicly announce what she's
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: suffering from. She's dealing with multiple sclerosis because she was
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: afraid people would start spreading rumors that she was drunk
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: when she was filming things. And that really is why
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: she went public with it. She didn't want rumors getting out.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: And then it became more of a, okay, now the
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: disease needs a face. It needs someone to kind of
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: head up these organizations. And we have a Mouseketeer. Yeah,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: we've got a pretty high-profile name there. It ended up
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: being really good for the cause, but it's funny that
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: that was kind of why she wanted to go public,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: was she didn't want rumors starting, because she would be
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: kind of stumbling around, and again, people were going to
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: start saying things about her. I thought that was interesting, too.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: It was that early on. In 92, up until recently,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: she kind of dealt with all that, so that's a
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: lot of time to fight with that. I thought if
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: we're doing like old school Hollywood, Deanna Durbin, we've got
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: to at least tie in. That's one of those that I,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: it came from, from the movie geek, you know, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: video store days. I was someone who had never seen
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: a Deanna Durbin movie, but I could name everything that
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: got re-released. There was a weird run in like the
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: nineties where they re-released a whole series of her films.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: And like, I'm like a, dorky guy and for some
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: reason I can name all of the Deanna Durbin collection
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: but will.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: You because I'm embarrassed to say I don't.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Know I'm looking it up right now three smart girls
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: first love spring parade those were kind of the big
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: ones at that point she was pretty she was pretty
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: huge at that I'm trying to think where she was
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: in it started with Eve can't help singing but like
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: it was funny they said early on speaking of Walt
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Disney thing it says she auditioned to provide the vocals
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: for Snow White in that in that animated film and
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: like walt disney rejected her saying that her 15 year
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: old voice was too old for the part how old
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: is snow white supposed to be how creepy are we
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: making this story but um she's 13 it is interesting
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: that like they going through all the list of her
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: stuff like it says in 1946 she was the second
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: highest paid woman in the united states just behind betty
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: davis Wow. That's kind of huge for, you know, 46.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: That's a big deal.
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: So what was her thing? Like, what was her image?
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: What did she do? Make movies.
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: But did she, was she a bad girl? Was she
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: a good girl? Was she? It looks like, I mean,
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: she was mainly a singer too because.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: All the movies. Yeah, she did a lot of musicals.
• 48:28
  Speaker 11: But beyond that, I've never seen any of those movies.
• 48:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel dumb to say I don't even really
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: recognize her name.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: I think she did a lot of like, girl next
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: door kind of roles in the beginning. And then she
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: got into the later part of her career and she
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: wanted to do a little more. She wanted to. So
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: at some point she does do kind of a film
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: noir thing and she's trying to like give herself a
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: little more range and depth.
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: Go a little Natalie Wood.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know if anybody actually was on board with that,
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: but she, she was trying to do more with that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: So there you go. Deanna Durbin, there's your homework project.
• 49:02
  Speaker 9: Have any of us ever seen an Esther Williams movie?
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: That was another one. Those two were the two of
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: that era that I figured we're going to have to
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: touch on at least. Because I think that story is
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: kind of amazing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: The Esther Williams story?
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Well just like her well like her situation like oh
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: just she's a swimmer and now she's a movie star
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: and now she's a movie star who's in swimming turned
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: into yeah it's like being a swimmer and and the
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: reason did you see why like she basically she was
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: like setting all these national and regional swimming records in
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: her teens and then She wanted to go to the
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Olympics and World War II broke out. So she didn't
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: get to go to the Olympics because of that. And
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: I guess you've only got that window, especially then. I mean,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: now you kind of can drag it out for a
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: few years. But I mean, you've only got, what, eight
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: years at that point, maybe. So it's funny that because
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: of that, she joined this Billy Rose Aquacade and she
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: started taking these performance roles. And then at some point,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: MGM scouts got a hold of her and were like, hey,
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: we want you to be in this. and then they
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: created a term aqua musicals the fact that you can
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: create your own like not just sub-genre but a title
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: for a specific movie that then they make more than
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: one of.
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: That yeah i guess she has a one-woman genre.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: There is no other yeah i mean how many other
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: they've made fun of it in other movies later but
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: like nobody ever full-on embraced that and tried to make
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: that happen again it It's sort of the joke now
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: when you go into a crazy musical number in a pool.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: It's hilarious. But, you know, they were serious when they
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: did those then. It's very strange that that happened. Again,
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: you can't have that in this world. But, I mean,
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: I was thinking there's so many other people that go
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: from like a sports career that crossover. I mean, she
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: actually was in Tarzan.
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: With Johnny I was about to say the only other
• 51:01
  Speaker 12: I'm a big fan of museums that exist for no
• 51:04
  Speaker 12: apparent reason and there is a swimming museum and hall
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: of fame in Fort Lauderdale.
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: And there's like a whole tribute to Esther Williams and
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: then the other tribute is like a very small tribute
• 51:14
  Speaker 9: to Johnny Weissmuller and Tarzan so I was about to
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: ask I was like oh well that's the other swimmer
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: but no they clearly there's crossover you can't have a
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: swimming movie without Esther Williams in it apparently Yep.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: She worked alongside him at some point. But I was
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: just talking about now. I mean, you look at all
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: the weird crossovers we have of like, look how huge
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: a star The Rock is. I mean, he's sort of sports. Entertainment, but...
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would still say that comes from more
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: of a sporting angle than he crossed over and is
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: a full-fledged movie star now. Or even like they let
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Shaq make movies. I mean, there's like such weird crossover
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: now that like, It still happens, and it's still equally
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: as odd to me, but that was strange. Aqua musicals,
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: it's a weird world.
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: So did it ever occur to them to let her
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: out of the pool? Did she try to do a
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: couple movies.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Without a pool? There was a cage.
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: They would not let her.
• 52:11
  Speaker 13: Out.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: This is the story of three girls.
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: One who wanted something very much, but was too young
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: to know how to get it. One who was old
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: enough to know how to get it, but nobody wanted her.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: And one who had everything, and yet didn't know what
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: she wanted. They all joined the Navy and became three
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: girls with one idea.
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: Men. What good is a gal without a guy?
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: What good is the earth without the sky?
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: The flowers would fail to show without the sun.
• 52:48
  Speaker 15: To make them grow.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: What good is a gal without a guy?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And this is the guy they had in mind. Barry Sullivan.
• 52:56
  Speaker 9: Been stood up, honey, or just all by yourself?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Just all by myself.
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: Like us.
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: Isn't that nice? You don't mind our being so direct.
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: Look, we don't like rushing things, but we've only got
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: four hours to get back to the base.
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: That is depressing.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Well, it's depressing, but it's not final.
• 53:13
  Speaker 9: There's always an angle if you can think of a
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: good enough reason.
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: And there's a good enough reason.
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, you gotta give me water, cause a whole lot
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: of water makes a way.
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: Skirts Ahoy is a great, big, wonderful show. The comedy
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: is fast and hilarious. The romance warm and alluring. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: the songs are terrific. And Esther Williams is gorgeous. You'll
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: meet Joan Evans, one of Hollywood's newest and youngest stars.
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: And Vivian Blaine, that Guys and Dolls sensation. You'll see
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: Barry Sullivan. Hear the singing DeMarco sisters. Debbie Reynolds introduces
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: Bobby Vann in a big surprise number. And Esther Williams
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: introduces two amazing protégés, underwater.
• 54:02
  Speaker 9: Here we come, strips of heart. Strips of heart, here
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: we come.
• 54:08
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• 54:10
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• 54:13
  Speaker 9: Strips of heart, strips of heart.
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• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Hello, creeps. It's me, the Crypt Keeper.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: And you're listening to Movie Meltdown, the greatest movie geek
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: show on Earth.
• 55:26
  Speaker 10: Eileen Brennan died. I just watched Clue the other night
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: and I didn't realize that until.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: I think I've mentioned that lately. That's one of those
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: that only lately has found its love.
• 55:38
  Speaker 8: Clue?
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: People didn't care about Clue when it came out. It's hilarious.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: In these last five years or so, I've heard so
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: many people reference that as one of their... I think
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: it was that one thing, like it kicked in as
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: you were a kid and you watched it on cable
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: and now you're grown up and you're like, no, I
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: love that movie! There's so many that kind of Find
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: that 15, 20 year span of all of a sudden
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: everybody realizes, that was.
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: My favorite movie when I was a kid.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Because people did not like that.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: I remember tons of people.
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: He was loving it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: I thought it was at 85, I'm.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Thinking.
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: I remember seeing it and I don't know, maybe I
• 56:11
  Speaker 11: just wanted to go and play the game at the
• 56:13
  Speaker 11: movie theater.
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: So for me, it was just like, this isn't the game.
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: But then later on, once I grew a sense of humor,
• 56:19
  Speaker 11: it was like, oh, this movie's hilarious.
• 56:21
  Speaker 9: So now I totally appreciate it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: It's so ridiculous and that's kind of why it works. Again,
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think people were prepared for that. It's a
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: weird style of comedy that, again, you gotta get it
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: or you don't. And if you're on the outside of that,
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: you're just like, what the hell is this movie? But
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: if you get it, it's pretty hilarious. And the performances
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: are all really good. Some pretty classic performances in that
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: movie alone, but Yeah, she gets added into that. Still
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: probably not her most well-known role.
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: Was it Private Benjamin?
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Private Benjamin. Again, that's one of those I don't
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: think she ever got away from that. She was so
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: well-known for that that I don't think she ever... Oh,
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: was she in The Last Picture Show?
• 57:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think she was. That's in my top five movies.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: That's a great one. Again, it's been years. I need
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: to go back and re-watch.
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: What was her?
• 57:16
  Speaker 10: Oh, she was the waitress in the Cafe, I think.
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think she died just like a couple weeks
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: before Karen Black did. So it sort of felt like
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: all the great ladies of the 70s were getting taken
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: down simultaneously.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was the last picture show. She's in The Sting. Oh, right.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: If I remember, she shows up when we had our
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: viewing of Jeepers Creepers. Doesn't she make an odd appearance?
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: Isn't she the weird neighbor lady? Oh, yes.
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: Oh, my gosh.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: Because we were sitting there going, is that Eileen Briggs?
• 57:47
  Speaker 9: I had forgotten that. What a strange.
• 57:50
  Speaker 15: Flashback.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: You guys can go back and listen to that one too.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: You'll hear us complain about Jeepers Creepers.
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: That was a terrible movie.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: It has its moments.
• 57:58
  Speaker 9: That was yet another. I was in Marie and it
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: was cheap, so I went and saw it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: The first half is pretty good, actually. The end is,
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: I don't understand their wrap up, but again, they had
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: problems on that set, I believe. But I think the
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: setup has some pretty solid stuff in it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: So you say.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: I do. The car stuff, the house stuff is all
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: really creepy. And then once he starts following around, it
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: takes a weird turn.
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know about the rest of it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: Then they wouldn't make a second one.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: We'll get back to that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: So, okay, this was one that normally would cross into
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: an area I wouldn't bother with because I don't like
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: to read.
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: But.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: there were not one, but kind of two really influential
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: authors that had a big impact on movies. The most
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: for me, Elmore Leonard, I think I stated this online
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: when he died. I was like, I don't know if
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: there's ever been somebody that kind of translated to film
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: better because so many times, like every time you see
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: something gets translated from a book to a movie, people
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: just bitch because it's not as good as the book,
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: which to me, I hate that argument anyway. But like,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: there's so many times when people are like, no, that
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: actually is a really good movie and like it's based
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: on this book which is also a good book but
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: like they kind of work in their own world and
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: just about all the stuff they did there's a few
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: off but there's a lot of good stuff that he
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: did that got turned into good movies and it was
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: out of sight is kind of brilliant like it's still
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: One of my favorite movies. It is so well put together.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: Get Shorty was amazing. 310 to Yuma. It was all
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: pretty solid stuff that he put out, and somehow whoever
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: they handed it to most of the time found a
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: good way to sort of translate it. So I thought
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: that was one at least for a tie-in there. I
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: just thought that was an interesting scenario that it's so
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: rare that they can do justice in some aspect. Again,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: that's always arguable, but I always felt like they did
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: a pretty good job with this stuff. And then if
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: we're on that note, Tom Clancy, you got to have
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: your Jack Ryans.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was just watching Patriot Games the other night.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: There's a new one out there right now with Captain Kirk.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: Oh, I forgot about that.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Or Jack Ryan or whoever he is this week.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: There's no telling. Which I've heard is surprisingly not terrible.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: It looks interesting. I watched the trailer. I was like,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: I'll watch it at some point. I don't have a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: problem with it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: But it is one of those, like, they just kept
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: making those. And I think half of it, like, again,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: you don't even have an actor to follow through. Like,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: it changes hands four times at least. So I'm like,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: that's a lot of passing it off for it to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: still be successful enough for them to keep making movies. Like, that's,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: I guess, a credit to Tom Clancy for writing somewhat
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: interesting stories because they kept making movies out of them.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: So, yeah.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 10: I was thinking David Mamet, but he writes more, I guess,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: straight screenplays. I was thinking someone that interprets well.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, most of his stuff he actually writes. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: But I guess he does a little of both. I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: don't think he'd die. Yeah. No, no.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: I had a panic moment for a second.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: I was just thinking of writers. I knew the point
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: you were making. I was just like, now we made
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: people think he's dead.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: Still alive. Don't convince your trivia team that he's dead and.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: Lose all the points. You will lose so many points.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: But Movie Meltdown told me.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: But feel free to reference us for all your wrong information.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: So while we're on that scenario, Dennis Farina, who is
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: in several Elmore Leonard treatments. Oh, wow. Again, he is
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: amazing and out of sight. Isn't he in Shorty? Yeah,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: he's in Shorty too. Thought he was in both of those.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: But like, I don't know, all of his. Like Snatch
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: and Midnight Run. And he's in the original Manhunter, which
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: I still think is very underrated. Which one? manhunter oh
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: that's that's a it's so good yeah it's one that
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: for years people didn't realize was even around but it's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: a great movie thief which is now sort of found
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: a little comeback because somebody else made a movie kind
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: of like try it oh it's very it's very reminiscent
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: of thief i watched it after hearing everybody say that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: and i'm like yeah yeah i mean not story-wise but
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: stylistically It's, you can tell he's just sat there watching
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: that movie. He's like, all right, let's go make our movie.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: Oh, you know who else died? The guy, the Indian
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 10: guy that was in those Wes Anderson movies.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, he had those little bits.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 10: I know he did probably at other, but I know it's.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: What he was known for.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Kumar Palani.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Which I may be butchering his name. So sorry about
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: that too. But yeah, that's how they bill it. There's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: just like, if you like Wes Anderson. Right.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 10: He probably did plenty more.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: He's in Bottle Rocket, Rushmore, Royal Tenenbaums, Darjeeling.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: Uh yeah so yeah didn't dennis frank was am i
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: making this up did he wasn't he like a cop
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: that was brought on as like.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: A technical advisor i'm pretty sure that was his old
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: yeah again it's it's interesting when people come to acting
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: later in life having had a whole different career and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: i'm pretty sure that's what it was he got brought
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: on originally for something as like a technical advisor and
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: like he was like this is pretty cool and like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: 30 years later, he's cashing in that law and order check.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, hell yeah, I'll do this. This is
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: old hat to me.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: How did he die? He was 69, so.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: Blood clot in his lung.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: All right. Do we want to go to the big one?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: Because I can't believe, like, I wrote it down because
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: I'm a dork, but I can't believe when I got here, like,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: the first name you fired out, Josh. We got to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: talk about Conrad Baines. Not where I thought we were going,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: but as soon as we were, yeah, you were pretty excited.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: So I have my reason, and my specific one was
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: a film reason. Again, it's odd that I just referenced
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: this about a week or so ago. I got all
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: excited because someone else got my reference to Chomps. The
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: greatest movie ever, when I was a small child. I'm
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: afraid if I revisit it now, I will not be
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: as impressed.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: But, okay, look. Don't go back.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: It's it's a first of all the main character's name
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: is brian that's awesome uh he has a robot dog
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: and his girlfriend is valerie bertinelli what's not the like
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: in this world so i'm just saying as a kid
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: i thought that was the most awesome movie ever robot
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: dogs and valerie bertinelli and conrad.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: Bane what who does conrad.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 16: I believe he's valerie bertinelli's father and what is the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 16: conflict in chomp.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: There is a lot of craziness going on. Now, Brian
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: has created a robot dog and he's going to revolutionize
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: the world with this robot dog because he looks like
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: a real dog. And there's another rival group. I don't
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: know if, I don't remember now if there's some sort
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: of like industrial group that wants to steal it, probably
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: for the military. And like, but of course they send
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: the two most bumbling idiots to go steal it from them.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: So they're chasing them around the whole time and falling
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: over stuff and Again, when I think about it, it's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: really dumb. But as a child, a robot dog was
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: kind of awesome. And Valerie Bertinelli, so I'm just saying.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: I'm sold. I'm telling you. This was my reference, and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: I kind of impressed the person the other day. I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: not only liked the movie, I had the book treatment
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: of it. When they would go through and create the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: little book, I'm sure it came from the book club. No,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: when they would just make the read-along kind of book.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: I'm sure I got it from the book club at
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: school or whatever stupid thing. Remember when they did those?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Scholastic.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: Did they do those for kids?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think they read. Maybe not. It's odd that
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: I had the book because I just probably was hoping
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: it had pictures. Yeah, I thought that was funny. Somewhere
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: I have the book version.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 9: How did you find this other human being on the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: planet who had, in fact, seen this movie?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: Um he works at well obviously a big geek and
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: but i read reference and he was like oh yeah
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: thank you finally someone gets my chomps reference anyway there
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: are periods in between all those by the way.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: Oh of course because i'm sure it stands for canine
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: something or other do we really want to know anyway
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: But that was my go-to because at the time I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: was like, oh, that's how I knew Conrad Bane.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: And of course, Mr. Drummond is in this movie. So,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's the only way I knew him really
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: was he was in Chomps and Different Strokes. But if
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: you go back, he actually does have a career. He's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: in Coogan's Bluff and Bananas and the Anderson Tapes and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: Up the Sandbox and all these other legit movies. Most
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: of them weren't huge roles. It's like he's always like
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: a doctor or some fancy gentleman, which again goes to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: what we all know him as. a rich white dude
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: so you know it seems fitting that but i did
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: remember uh they'd mentioned he's in the i think he's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: her dad in postcards from the edge or her grandfather
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: is it like he's he's in the home like he's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: really old at that point which it's funny that he
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: still lived many years after that but he looks so
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: much older than what you're used to from you know
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: 70s television so seeing him and that was kind of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: a weird shock so it's funny that that was a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: long time before this year so He still was around
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: for quite a long time. And I just went back
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: and watched, I don't think I'd ever seen the episode
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air that he was on as
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: Phil Drummond.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 11: Oh, they put Phil Drummond on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: Because I was looking through it and I'm like, obviously
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: he works his way into plenty of television. But yeah,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: I looked and he was credited as that. And then
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, it's got to be on there.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: So I went back and watched it. It's them trying
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: to sell the house and phil drummond and arnold come
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: to do a walkthrough of the house because they want
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: to buy it so this is that many years later
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: and for some reason arnold's still hanging out with mr
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: drummond and living with them and it's a very odd
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: but yet i'm kind of glad he phil came back
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: in the.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 10: 90s you know he's still out there at that point
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 10: well that reminds me how do you find will smith
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 10: in the snow oh god oh you look for the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 10: fresh prints.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: I think we just close on that.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I can throw out some others in
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: case we missed any.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 10: I saw that Harry Reams from Deep Throat died.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a weird one. Just because everything he
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: was involved with as time's gone on has gotten.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: Creepier and creepier.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: So I'm just like, okay. That happened.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of weird stuff going on around that film.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 10: He might have been in the porn version of Chomps.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to go somewhere with that and I wish
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: I wasn't. So we'll move on.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: Sorry, Michael.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: And Sarah that we're following you but so yeah that
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: was one that he was an interesting one and one
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: of those like they would put his picture up and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: you're like oh wait I do know that guy again
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of it was TV he was yeah he's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Commander Kang on Star Trek he was like the first
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: incarnation of a Klingon on Star Trek, but he actually was, um,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: he played like a native American and all these like
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: TV series and then film roles. And like, he actually
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: had a huge impact. I think on that at that point,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: because he was sort of, I don't even know what his, uh,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: nationality was, but it was one of those.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 9: Are we talking about Billy Jack?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: No, we're still getting to him. This is Michael and Sarah.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: I don't know who Michael and Sarah is.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: If you bring it up, he's, it's just like, you'll
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: be like, Oh yeah, I do know that guy. He's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: like Kane and Buck Rogers. He's like, He was on
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: the NBC series, Law of the Planesmen. He's actually got
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: a huge amount of credit. A lot of them were TV.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: One of which, though, I was going to say was probably,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: because I don't think I realized it was him, but
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite things ever, specifically in the Batman world,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: the episodes with Mr. Freeze, before they bastardized him with
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: that horrible movie version of him, the animated series version
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: of Mr. Freeze is amazing. And that first... that first
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: episode where they introduce his character and do that story,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: like it's kind of heartbreaking. And like, he does the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: voice of Mr. Freeze and he does it so well.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: And that, and like just delivers like this, again, it's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: such a layered performance for an animated show that they
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: pretend like is for kids and like is on in
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: the middle of the afternoon. But like that series as
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: a whole was so impressive, but his character more than
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: just about any is, is just, I don't know. It's,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: it stands out. So I thought it was great to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: find out he also did the voice for that.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: But I didn't know if he did.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he was kind of like in all of his
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: old movie shows. I mean, The Witch, I Dream of Jeannie.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: Well, also for his I Dream of Jeannie tie-in, married
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: to Barbara Eden.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: I thought that was... Wait, are we still talking about
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: Harry Reams?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 10: Seriously I thought we were and I'm like I'm looking
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 10: them up and I'm just.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: Like wait we'll say Michael and Sarah I don't know
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: how to spell it for some reason we blocked out
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: his name I missed sorry Michael A-N-S-A-R-A Michael and.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 12: Sarah did you know who we were talking about I
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 12: did oh because I had it up I am you
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 12: know going oh yeah I watched that show and that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 12: show and that show.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 15: Oh lord but yeah since you brought it up we
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 15: should do Tom Laughlin who was Billy Jack, among many
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 15: other things, but he's.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: Just amazing as a guy. Whether or not, again, I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: just watched Billy Jack in the last couple years, and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: it's still... His scenes hold up as a story. It's
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: almost overlong, and there's a lot of hippie crap I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: can do without. No offense. I mean, I know that's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: part of the story, but there's some drawn-out scenes of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: them at the school with the kids that probably should
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: have been trimmed out. But I wanted to give him
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: more credit as... filmmaker in this time where like indie
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: filmmaker is such a cool thing to be it's so
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: easy to do now this guy was like shooting it
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: on film financing it all himself writing the movies directing
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: the movies half the time starring in the movies like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know it was like kind of impressive how
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: much he was just proactive to do this stuff on
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: his own like he just came up with this idea
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: and was like all right well I'm gonna make a
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: movie out of it and That's a huge undertaking in
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: the 60s and 70s when he was doing it. It's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: pretty easy to do with a digital camera now, but
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: to come up with all the money and stuff on
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: your own back then, this is back when it really
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: was guerrilla filmmaking and he was out there just kind
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: of shooting what he wanted to shoot. I think he's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: pretty badass as Billy Jack. It's even more interesting as
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: it goes on and he continues to get more and
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: more political to the point that Billy Jack Goes to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: Washington never got an official release because they shut him down.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: Like the politics involved in it pissed off enough people
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: along the way they would not let him release it.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: And I think it was just, I think it made
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: it out there in bootlegs. But I think in the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: last like four or five years when they did that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: box set of all the DVDs was the first real
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: release it ever had. Definitely ever on like DVD or anything.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: was that that's how long it took for them to
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: actually get that version of the story out because he
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: pissed off a lot of people and then i think
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: uh the one that i don't think i knew until
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: actually it was again when he died you start looking
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: up the stuff about him he ran for president twice
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: for two different parties what the hell like how does
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: that happen uh.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 16: What were the two different parties in in 92 um
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 16: let's see he sought the democratic party nomination for president
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 16: He told the Milwaukee Sentinel, I am the least qualified
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 16: person I know to be president, except George Bush.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: So obviously he had issues with what was going on there.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of this, I think, was, again, he was
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: pissed off about stuff. He's like, I want to, if
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: nothing else, use myself as an example. I want to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: put myself up there to be almost just to piss
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: people off, but to get the word out that I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: don't like what's going on.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: And I think he... I think he knew he wasn't
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: going to be taken seriously. And as it panned out,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: he wasn't. They said in the debates they wouldn't consider
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: him a serious candidate, so he would get five minutes
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: to talk, and then they would give 20 minutes to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: what they consider real candidates. And they really did sort
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: of shove him to the side because they thought it
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: was all just a big stunt for him. But I
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: think he was serious. I just think he knew people
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: weren't going to take him seriously. But I think it's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: funny that he got 1,986 votes in New Hampshire primary.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: That's a lot of people for somebody who's just kind
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: of pulling a stunt, according to them. But then in 2004,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: he ran as a Republican, campaigning against the Iraq War.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: What the hell? How can you not be fascinated by
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: this guy?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: That sounds like he just wanted to be in the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: early Republican debates. It actually sounds very savvy. I like
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: that sort of angle of political activism.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: He's an interesting guy. I've got to give him credit.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: That was a shame, because I would have liked to
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: have seen more... craziness come out of him because he
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: was he was an interesting character.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 10: I knew and i thought harry reams was just known
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 10: for deep.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: Throat man you love deep throat i've never even seen
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: it but that's your story i'm just impressed by this
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: guy's career not.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 11: Buying it i thought we were on tom laughlin did
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 11: i lose track again i'm being.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 10: An ass i'm sorry anyway.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: All right well if that is i have to work
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 5: in joan fontaine That was huge.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: I forgot about that.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: That was huge. And had a specific tie-in because I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: did contact her yesterday. I wanted to at least get
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: a quote. And this is a very Misty-esque quote. Her
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: response was she was hella awesome. And it's just true.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: You can go back. I think the Rebecca episode is
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: still up there. Misty loves Rebecca. It is, again, as
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: she puts it, one of my most favoritest movies ever.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: So this is very Misty if you're familiar with her.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: But it was my take on that was she had
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: actually tried to get a hold of her and like
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: she was seeing if she was still like doing autographs
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So in this past year Misty
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: actually wrote to her and got a response and she
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: sent her two like she actually autographed two photos for her.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: So she like right in this like probably it was
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: less than a year before she died. She wrote her
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: back sent her two photos that are now like At
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: Misty's house. I've seen them. They're very nice. So the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: fact that she was still interacting with her fans at 96,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: that's impressive. That she was still kind of being cool
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: and interacting with fans. I thought that was something that
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: sort of personalized it for us. I thought that was
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: kind of cool.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 9: I didn't know that Misty was a super fan. When
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 9: you said I had to get a comment from her,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 9: I thought you meant her sister.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 9: Maybe.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: Do you have her sister's number?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 9: No, do you know the story?
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: We can call her right now.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 9: But isn't Joan Fontaine, am I conflating my celebrities?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: I think that is true.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 9: Isn't Joan Fontaine the sister of, oh God, I can't remember.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: Google.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: Hold on.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: To the Google. Our brains are useless now. You realize that.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 9: Well, I can never remember. Well, I know.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: I know what story you're talking about, but I know
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: if I pick one of the actresses at the.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: Time, it'll be the wrong one.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 9: If you say the name, I'll know the name.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: Slappy Wilson.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 10: Maybe we should do a podcast on movies that are acronyms.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 10: Because I'd like to see Chomps. Well, then there's Chud.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Darryl.
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  Speaker 3: Darryl.
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  Speaker 8: Um....
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  Speaker 10: Oh, there's more.
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  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: Lucy, continue on.
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  Speaker 8: With your story.
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  Speaker 9: Olivia de Havilland is the name that I was trying
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: to remember because it's one of the greatest stories. It's
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: one of the greatest Hollywood stories ever.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: It's pretty interesting.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 8: Really.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 9: And I'm going to conflate the two of them because
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: I can never remember who's who and who's older and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: who was slighted by who and whose mom sighted with who.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: But basically what it comes down to is I've always
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 9: thought that they were trying to outlive each other. And
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: that that was like the final competition between these two
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: sisters who had been warring since the thirties or whenever
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 9: it was, because they're both in their nineties. I mean,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: my God, it's like, and I was like, I bet
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 9: you anything the day after Olivia de Havilland will pass
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 9: away and she'll just be like, I gotcha. But she's
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: still out there.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah, I mean the whole thing, I mean, I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 9: don't know if any and I'm not the one to
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 9: tell this story because I obviously don't know it since
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: I'm struggling to remember Olivia de Havilland's name but they
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 9: one sister was the favorite of the mother and And
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: then the other sister wasn't allowed to use their actual
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: surname because.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: The mother didn't want her to act at all. And
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: then when she went and did it anyway, she wouldn't
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: let her use the family name or something to that effect.
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  Speaker 9: And then there's a year where they were both nominated
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 9: for Oscars. And one of them got it and the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 9: other didn't. And then there was stories about who couldn't
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 9: come to family funerals. And surely there was a man
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: in there somewhere. I mean, it was craziness for just decades.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: They just... lived off of their hatred for each other.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: If not you need to start writing the screenplays this
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: sounds like i would watch this movie so you need
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: to make a movie out.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: But yeah so jen fontaine sorry olivia got this.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: One damn it richard griffiths who the harry potter geeks
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: would know as uncle vernon who was a jackass in
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: those movies but he passed away so i guess we
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: can't do any like extra harry potter chapters that they're
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: jamming in there now or You'll have to write him
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: out now.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 9: I guess.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know. What else?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, well. Cory Monteith, but I don't know. He didn't
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: have a whole lot of... I guess he probably wasn't
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: banking on his Final Destination 3 performance. He was very TV-oriented.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: Except for Bloody Mary and Monte Carlo.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 9: I have a friend who looks exactly like Cory Monteith.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 9: His name's Will Mack. And for days afterward, I had
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 9: this weird feeling that Will Mack was dead, even though
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 9: I knew he wasn't. But I just kept seeing pictures
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 9: of him on TV.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: Why didn't he get a hold of the people and
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: they just swap him out? Actually, maybe. And the character
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: could have gone on. And he could start dating Lea Michele.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 9: I think he's single.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, there you go. That's just a bonus. I mean, that's,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: you know, on the side. But within the story, they
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: could continue on. We had Brad Leslie, best known for
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: playing the angry pitcher in Little Big League. But was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: also in Mr. Baseball, Space Jam, and Big Monster on Campus.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: So I thought, you know, got to work those references in.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: Julie Harris.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: That's speaking of our James Dean connection there, East of Eden.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: So that was, that was, again, you get the older
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: ones that you kind of lose track of sometimes.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: She was great.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: Actually, Ed Lauder, he's like, of those people, oh my God,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: I've seen his face everywhere kind of thing. Like once
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: I brought it up, I was like, good Lord, he
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: wasn't everything. Like again, it was a lot of TV,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: but like, He worked in so many, he's in like
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: 200 different properties, I think, once you go look him up.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: He was in a huge amount of stuff. Dale Robertson
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: was a bunch of Westerns. Jane Henson, that was pretty influential.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: I think people didn't realize how connected she was to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: the Henson empire, but she sort of started it with him,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: and I don't think we would have had all of
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: that had she not been as involved as she was.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: There's Lou Reed.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 10: And technically he was in, I've only seen him, I've
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 10: seen him in one movie. Was it The Follow-Up to Smoke?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 10: Blue in the Face?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: I think he was. He had a great little cameo.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: If I remember, that one wasn't that great. It was
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: just extra footage. But it's one of those for the connection. Yeah,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: because I watched them both because Smoke's pretty good. I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: remember watching Blue in the Face and being like, it
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: does just feel like stuff they would have taken.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 9: Out of it.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: It's interesting watching them together because there's so much crossover there.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: That was more.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: Well, like the Grey Gardens, they did a second Grey
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 10: Gardens that was from the leftover footage. But I think
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 10: that one is even more interesting in some ways. I
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 10: don't know if you've seen either one of those. But
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 10: I love that little Lou Reed. He's talking about smoking
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: and whatever.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: Imagine that.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: He was also in Get Crazy. Did anybody see Get Crazy?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: It's like a rock and roll spoof, but it stars
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: Lee Bing. So I guess Lee Bing lost two co-stars
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: this year.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: Lee?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 9: Eileen Brennan and Lou Reed.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Of ones we, again, have already touched on. We just
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: did a tribute to Hal Needham last year at the Oscars.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: We did our whole, like our whole movie pick was
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: because they were honoring him. So I guess he did
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: get his honorary Oscar right before he died, but they
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: gave him, that was their big honorary Oscar last year
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: was for Hal Needham. And this past year he passed away. So,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: but yeah, we did our, our whole, again, as a,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: as a stunt man and for the kind of stuff
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: that he was doing at the time. Amazing. Amazing. A
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: lot of the movies he made, I wouldn't say are amazing,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: but for what he was doing, he was top of
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: his game. That 70s run of action movies and the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: stuff that he was doing stunts for and then started
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: actually directing them. He was so big in his field,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: he just took over. I don't know. That's another one
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: that was kind of an interesting story of somebody that
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: just kind of took over that scene and that part
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: of Hollywood at the time. He was an interesting one
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: to him.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 10: What are some of his major stunts?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, he did all, like, again, the one that
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: we watched last year was Hooper, and he did pretty
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: much all of that 70s run of Burt Reynolds stuff,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: like all the Smoky and the Bandit jumps and stuff,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: all of the Cannonball Run stuff, all of that. Anything
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: that Burt Reynolds did pretty much in the 70s, he
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: was there doing stunts for, and a lot of the
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: times directing the movies as well. We have Eleanor Parker.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: She was nominated for Academy Award three times.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 9: And I have no idea who she is.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: She's actually in The Sound of Music. She's the scheming baroness.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: But yeah, she was nominated for Oscars in 50, 51,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: and 55. Wow. Audrey Totter was a radio actress who
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: ended up in The Postman Always Rings Twice. She passed
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: away this year. We have Robin Sachs. He's one of
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: those that I think out of makeup was actually in
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and did a lot of
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: TV work, but he was one of those that worked
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: a lot in makeup and was on stuff like, you know,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: Babylon 5 and Star Trek Voyager, but then was also in, like,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: Ocean's Eleven and Lost World, and he did a lot
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: of stuff that, another one of those that was, like,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: character actor, but also didn't mind being completely immersed in makeup,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: and I don't know, that's a whole other breed of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: actor that really, like, it's bad enough, When you're a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: character actor and nobody knows who you are. But then
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: when you completely cover up your face.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 9: The Doug Joneses.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, basically. It's that whole scenario.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 9: But then again, you could totally go to the store
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 9: and not have a problem.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: That's the best world.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: Nobody's hounding you then.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: There's a few more. But are there any other big
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: ones that you feel like we forgot?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: I think this was pretty comprehensive.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: I tried to, again, I wanted to hit at least
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: some of the other ones that nobody's going to pay
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: any attention to on the Oscars. So, you know, we
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: try to hit some of the lesser known people that
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: show up there.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: I'm just, my mind is blown that there's a three-time
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: Oscar nominee that I just have never even, like the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 9: name's not even familiar. Like the Forgotten Famous is such
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 9: a fantastic phenomenon.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: Homework. That's what I get out of doing the show
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: more than anything is like, God, there's more. There's just
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: so much more stuff I need to watch that I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: can't even get to and There's just so much great
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: stuff out there waiting to be seen.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 10: Joe the dog died. He was just a dog actor.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 10: He looked like a golden retriever.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 9: What movie? Jesse Stone.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: He plays the dog in Deep Throat. That was a
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: scene that got cut out for good reason.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 5: Are you okay?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 9: I was going to move into a Chomps reference.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: I was working that out. Don't sully the fine name
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: of Chomps. Oh, where we have ended up. Dog actors
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: in deep throat. Alright, do we think we have addressed
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: the important deaths of the year? Or at least the
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: celebrity deaths. Not that these people are any more important
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: than anyone else, but at least for our movie tie-ins,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: we've hit a few of the Well-known and lesser-known actors
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: that have passed on.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: I think that will round this one out, then. Otherwise,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: that about does it. We will return next week. Same
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: geek time, same geek fee. Thanks for listening. All the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: times have come.
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  Speaker 13: But now they're gone Seasons don't fear the reaper Nor
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 13: do the wind, the sun or the rain We can
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 13: be like they are Come on baby Don't fear the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 13: reaper Baby take my hand Don't fear the reaper We'll
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 13: be able to fly Don't fear the reaper Baby I'm
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 13: your Valentine is done. Here but now they're gone Romeo
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 13: and Juliet Are together in eternity 40,000 men and women
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 13: every day 40,000 men and women every day And having 40,000 coming.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Every day.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: Take my hand Don't.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 13: Fear the reaper We'll be able to fly Don't fear
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 13: the reaper Baby, I'm your man La, la, la, la, la, la.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 14: Thank you.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 13: Up to his heart He put down that gun Came
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 13: the last light.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: Of sadness And it was clear.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 13: She couldn't go on The door.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 9: Was open and.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 13: The wind appeared The candles.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: Blew and then.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 9: Disappeared The curtains flew and.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: Then he appeared.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 13: She ran to him. They looked back when he said goodbye.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 9: She had taken his hand.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 10: Have you seen that, this is not, no one died,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 10: but was it a boy and his dog?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: Don Johnson died?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 10: No, but I just thought about that.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: I've seen that. You're just going with random thoughts now.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, well, it was dog related. I don't think
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 10: Joe was in it, but.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: I do remember that being quite an interesting movie. Yeah.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 9: I think I missed that one. I kind of want
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 9: to know more about Joe the dog. Was he an
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 9: air bud or anything like that? Was he a bud
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 9: in any movie?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: I feel like he's a golden retriever.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 10: Apparently, find out.
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