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Hamster At the Movies Part Three (with Mark Rawlins) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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The. The well hello and welcome back
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to hamster at the movies. Hello hello, welcome to the red
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carpet. Oh thanks.
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What spangly number do you have on Today I've.
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Got my best suit on, especially for the occasion.
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Best suit? Andreas, the occasion.
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I've come wearing who's that you wore on the on the catwalk, all
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of that meat. Do you remember Lady Gaga?
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Yeah, I've worn, I'm wearing that.
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You meet. I've got a load of pork chops
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and a couple of steaks. Well, we're all ready for a
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star-studded night to night of movies we'll be watching sort of
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sporadically, Haven't we lately? Yeah.
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It's been a while, what was the last one we talked about?
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Clone starring Matt, definitely. That's right, yeah.
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And Bishop Potter, Beatrix Bottom movie, but we've sort of
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done a mixture really. We've been doing a mixture of
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going to the actual cinema itself, which you'll hear about
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shortly. Also still picking the things
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out-of-the-box and wait to go to the collection, but also
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watching some movies on streaming platforms as well.
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We've done it all I. Know we have.
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Well, let's start going back a little way to old Hollywood
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time. Oh, I'm talking about the films
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when the films were made. How far back we're going.
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Well, we did some Alfred Hitchcock's.
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Oh, we did. I'm sure we didn't talk about
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this last time, no. I'm sure.
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Well, we did North by Northwest because we hadn't seen that one.
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That was the one that was that inspired the first James Bond
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films. All spy spy thriller, wasn't it?
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Yeah, and I really like that. I can't believe I've seen so
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many Alfred Hitchcock films. You never seen that one?
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Well, I did have Red Hitchcock at university and I don't know
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why I didn't see North by Northwest.
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Well, that one, I mean, I thought the conceit, the idea
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was inspired, the idea that this man was at this gentlemen's club
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and was overheard, or rather mis overheard.
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And then everyone thinks he's a spy, but he's just an innocent
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bystander. So he gets shipped off to the
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villains house. They think he's a spy.
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He gets involved in all these arms deals and shenanigans.
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They all think he's a spy. By the end of the bloody movie,
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he's hanging out of Matt Rushmore.
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And if you haven't seen it, I think actually, yeah, there's
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two big images that people would know about this even if you
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haven't seen the fair. Rushmore.
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Well, there's Mount Rushmore sort of hanging off at a sort of
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a chase over Mount Rushmore. Which was actually, which was
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pretty amazing. Mount Rushmore.
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You don't hear about it these days.
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Very. Much do you?
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It used to be. I swear, like 80s films and
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stuff, it's still there, right? It hasn't fallen apart.
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It's like the Hollywood sign it's of.
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All that, you see that all the time, but.
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You just don't see now, no. I love, I'd love to see Mount
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Rushmore. All those faces.
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No do. You know what I prefer?
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The. Movie.
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Not, not Matt Rushmore. I'm reading a book at the
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moment, Doctor Who, Eye of Heaven, which has got the Mawai
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statues, you know. Yeah, yeah.
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I think to see them, they're more impressive than Matt.
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Rushmore, you just don't hear about these.
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Rushmore was just a load of presidents.
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Nobody knows what the Mawai was. No.
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Anyway, back to So there's the Mount Rushmore thing, and also
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there's Cary Grant. Here's Cary Grant.
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Isn't he running away from a, a plane in like a field?
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And just the way that that's, oh, that moment I've that seemed
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like, you know, always at the top of that movie moment.
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So you might remember that. The the suspense of that
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sequence where it's all silence, isn't it?
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It wakes up, it's all silence. And Alfred Heschcart, he's using
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these wide lenses, so you really see the space that he's in.
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And then the plane coming, you know, Doctor Deadly Assassin, is
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that, is that a take on that sequence?
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You know, when the plane's coming down, of course, very
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similar, isn't it? Although obviously North Point
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Northwest was done on a bigger budget.
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Yeah, I thought it was really fun.
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Like, like we're going to talk about another average age Cocker
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movie in a second. And I thought that was better,
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but this was really well made for the 14 classic.
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Yeah, absolutely. And then the other Alfred.
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Wait, you need to give it hamster wheels?
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Hamster Wheels. I'll give that a four.
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Yeah, definitely. Out of five.
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Yeah, four out of five. Very entertaining, yeah.
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And the next Alfred Hitchcock, because we were inspired after
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watching that one, to watch another one I'd seen before.
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You hadn't seen it? No.
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And I really was gaining with a bit of trepidation, this one,
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well, because I knew it was all these long scenes and I really
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thought it was going to be talky and very dull.
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I love those ones though. I love getting that because I've
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got like the box set. Of them didn't say what it was.
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Or what? It's rope, but I've got the book
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set of Alfred Hitchcock, which didn't have North by Northwest
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in originally. And I love just going through
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them and not knowing anything about them and just watching
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them just to see what happens and you have no idea.
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So rope, I mean, that is an absolute classic as well.
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I mean, we're going, this is before N, this is like.
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It's still the fourties. Fourties, yeah.
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So basically it's all set in one apartment and it it's, I mean,
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it's filmed in a couple of sections, but it could almost be
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like a play. Yeah, you you can see where the
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cuts. Go you can see where the cuts so
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So what happens is so basically he has a dead body in a chest.
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No, literally the opening shot, yeah.
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And and this is very Black Orchid.
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You know, the opening shot is somebody being strangled, so
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there's no chance for you to relax into this movie.
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The opening shot is somebody being murdered.
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So straight away you're feeling anxious and then the whole movie
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is dealing with the the consequences.
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The body is in there, all of the friends and family.
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It's basically a dinner party. Is it so they they want to see
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if they can get away with it? Don't they invite over all of
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the murdered man's family? His mother, his father?
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No, it's his father and the father's girlfriend, isn't it?
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That's right. So I think this is actually
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based on an actual play. So it was a play originally
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before and then they've turned into a film.
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But again, it's suspense. It's Alfred Hitchcock what he
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does best. How do you do?
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My name is Alfred Hitchcock. By all accounts, you know he was
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a bit of a beast, wasn't? Very well.
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At the box, have you heard? Yes, I know, I know he was a bit
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of a. Love after that, but I've got to
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say that blew my mind. I was raving about that movie.
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I've. Seen it?
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Before, but he was raving about it to everybody.
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I think it was 10 of me. With them, because there's the
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body, there's one point where the maid is.
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Clear. Oh my God.
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Seconds away from opening up the chest and finding the body.
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She just he he leaves the camera stationary on the chest where
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the dinner table stuff is on. So they have the nerve, these
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two killers, to have the family of the victim eat off of the the
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very thing that contains his corpse.
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And that's how close to the edge they've got.
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And the whole sequence is the maid clearing this table, going
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back and forth, back and forth, and to the point where she takes
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the tablecloth off and then she goes to lift up the thing and,
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and you think in front of everybody, she's going to
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discover it and they're going to get caught.
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Fuck me. It was one of the best suspense
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sequences I've ever. Seen these are timeless because
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it's the storytelling and like, if you made it today, it
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wouldn't be that different. You don't get Yeah, and the
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performance. Is they were quite modern, those
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performances, you know, there's a certain style to acting in the
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40s and the 50s and I just thought that would pass muster
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today, but. You don't really get many good
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directors. You don't really get the modern
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equivalent of Alfred Hitchcock. I mean, M Night Shmalian is
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probably the nearest I would say to in terms of that type of
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film. It's the film with the twist.
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It's that gruesome element, the. Twisting rope is in the first
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scene. That is the twist in the film.
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That's so clever. But at night, Shamali and Alfred
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Hitchcock, they both got one thing in common, is that I think
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they both are inspired by the concept of a movie.
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So that's a yeah, I'll do that one because that's a really
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great idea. And I want to see if I, you
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know, how old. I want to see if I can do a
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movie about a a beach that ages people, you know, in 90 minutes
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from child to death. Yeah, this was amazing.
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And the backdrop, right, The backdrop of New York coming a
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lot made. In a studio.
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But it starts off during the day and then becomes the night and
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the lights turn on and smoke starts coming out of buildings
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and it's all fake. It looks amazingly good.
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This is easy 5 hamster wheel. Absolutely 5 for me as well.
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And the way, you know, when the detective came back and you
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know, he knows he's figured it out and he starts putting
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together all of the inconsistencies of the evening
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and you're just waiting for the moment where one of them is like
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going to triumph at him. And the the killers.
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It's one guy who's very calm and collected and another guy who's
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sort of nervy and anxious. And I kept waiting for the nervy
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and anxious want to go. Yes, OK, we did it, you know.
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I was so good. I'd love to watch these on the
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big screen at the cinema. Oh yes, we should.
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Keep an eye out for any I'd. Like to do the rest of that box
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set actually. Yeah, there's loads of good.
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Ones there we might be talking about some more appreciate
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clocks in the future. So what else did we do?
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Was that 5 for you by the way? Oh yeah, yeah, 5 for me.
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OK. And then we did a more modern
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film from Amazon Prime, Red, White and Royal.
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Blue Boy. They popular gay romance fiction
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book which I read the book first this came out.
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Was it authentic to the book? I mean, yeah, I mean, pretty
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much it is as the book. I wanted to read the book first
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before I watched it and. Basically, but could you see
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this? One is everybody, so it's the
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Prince of England. That's right.
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It's very pop. Prince of England.
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Not actually anybody in real life.
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Not based on anyone in real life at all.
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Prince of England, the hottest Prince of England you've ever
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seen in your life. Like smoking hot model.
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And the son of the president of America.
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Who's sort of Latina and the only person in the world who's
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hotter than the Prince of England, right?
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So it's the two hottest men on the earth.
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Ever So they've met through sort of, you know, like diplomatic
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relations and stuff and they sort of hate each other to begin
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with. It's a bit of a sort of ROM com
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style thing. And then they sort of end up
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together, and then together, it's a scene.
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Bumming all over the world. And then they keep seeing it,
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and then they have to sort. You know, obviously, the whole
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world is watching them. And also there's elections
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coming up in America. So his mother is running for
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president again. So she needs to, you know, keep
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up her appearances and also, you know, obviously, the king of
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England. Is it Stephen Fry?
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It's the king of England. That's uncle, isn't?
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It. No, I think that's the key I.
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Know it really sort of says for sure we don't do these sort of
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things. In England, sorry, remember, you
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know, I think it's the anyway, do you know what?
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Obviously there's a scandal. The royal family as well.
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It's just fun. It's gay.
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Bumming in the royal family? Imagine the scandal, the thing
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that salvage this movie. I thought because it was absurd
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on a level. I mean, we've barely watched in
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any movie. Fun.
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So there's this enormous fucking birthday cake right at a past
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that's. Right at the beginning.
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Right. This is when they hate each
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other and he accidentally shoves him or something and one of them
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goes into the cake, just a little bit goes Oh my God, got
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cake on me. And then before you know it,
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they're literally throwing this entire cake.
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The whole thing falls on top of them.
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I mean, it's just ridiculous, but the chemistry between the
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leads was something else. Like they were so perfectly cast
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and like the description of all of like, I hate you, I hate you
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was really bad. But then.
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Well they they text a lot, so you have all the messages come
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up on the screen. A lot of.
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Emails and. Texts by the time.
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Which is in the book as well. I'm not talking about the
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fucking. By the time they're romantic
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together, you just totally sold on the relationship and by the
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end of it where it looks like because of the scandal, they're
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not going to be together. I was so really sad.
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I was like, oh, I really want them to be together.
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So when when he took his hand and took him to the balcony, it
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was like, I'm going to let the whole world know this is my
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boyfriend and I bum. That wasn't the line.
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I was like, yeah, actually I really enjoyed it.
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It was, it was so ridiculous, so.
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Yeah, I mean, the book was what? It's exactly the same as the
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book. There's a lot of All about the
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presidential things in America in the book as well, which was a
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little bit boring, but. If you it was fun, don't want to
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see lots of men kissing and you know, like I think there was a
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blowjob at one point. Wasn't there something he went
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down on him see anything? I don't know.
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But you know, if you don't want to see that sort of thing, maybe
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give this one a miss. But if you want to see a sweet
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romance, you know, sweet romance with the occasional funny
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moment. I mean, it wasn't.
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Laugh a minute. I think the sequel is in the
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works, so I'm sure that'll. Be out soon.
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It is because it was a. Big success.
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I mean, I have to say the Latina actor playing the American guy
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was truly the hottest person that's ever appeared in anything
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ever. So he should be getting work
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just on the fact that he's. In a lot of things.
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He's like an Adonis. Anyway, I would give that free
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hamster wheels and I was surprised because in the start I
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thought I was going to give it 2.
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Yeah, I'll give it three. I mean, it's not one to watch
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again and again, is it? Super fun though.
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Fun fun frothy bubble gum movie. And then going on to It, Stephen
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King. Hello story.
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Little boy, I got you a balloon. Why don't you put your hand down
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inside the store and I'll give you this balloon.
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God, you. See so this is the remake was.
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Huge teeth come out. This cloud was so scary.
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Have you? Seen the original one?
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Yeah, TV. Now the scary as well that was
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that was Tim Curry from Rocky Horror.
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But the ending, it turned into a massive spider, and
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unfortunately they couldn't do it at the time.
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It was a big puppet. It looked really, really
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terrible. I mean, the effects in this are
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great. It's, yeah.
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I mean, I'm not, it's not scary. It's the jumpiness for me.
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It's the sudden. It's the Clowness the Clown.
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Doesn't whisper. It's like.
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It's the clown jumping out at me I don't like.
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Come here with me onto the stairs, I got a toy for you and
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some sweeties. Don't you look like the clown,
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right? Now.
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I mean the all the kid actors are great.
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It's vibing off the popularity of Stranger Things.
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No if Stranger Things. Stand by me, I've got a huge
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stand by vibe. That's from Stand by, Stand by
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me, Stranger Things to it. Isn't it all Link.
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It's kids in the 80s at the end, great actors did.
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Not say to you at the end this was less about horror, it was
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more a coming of age story. It is.
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That's what it is. That's what he's written in the
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novel. The kids are like, the kids are
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like, you know, they have to band together and they're all
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the sort of all the the rejects of the school.
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So they've come, they've formed this sort of this nice gang and
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but you know, they have to truly face some pretty horrific
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moments. And we haven't seen, I mean,
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this is divided up into two. So there is the the modern
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sequel as well, which is the other half, which I think the
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original was too hard because you've got the kids when they're
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younger. That's right.
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And then it all happens and they think they've defeated it and
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everything. And then they all come back as
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adults. So the second one is all of them
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is adults. So we should watch that one as.
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Well, gang when you was a kid, No.
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You know, if I, if I had a gang when I was a kid, no, I didn't
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because I was a bit of a loser. I was standing watching Paradise
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to house things like that. But if I had a gang and they
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said, right, come on, we're going to go to this really scary
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house where that clown lives and we're going to go and defeat
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him. I'll say no, you're right.
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Actually I'd rather won't have any friends.
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This is a fall for me I really enjoyed.
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It. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say foot.
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We're agreeing on all of these at the moment.
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Scary. It's really good fun.
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Yeah, very well filmed as well. Beautifully directed.
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Yeah, I don't know if the scares always it worked because
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sometimes there was a bit of reliable special effects, but
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the big. Anticipation was it was great
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that. Poor girl was covered in blood
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in the bathroom. All of this blood was.
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Really good set. People you went up out of the
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bowl and they. Go into that old house and
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everything. I mean it's.
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Nothing, it's nothing would top that bit at the beginning with
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that little boy being enticed down in.
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I mean, that's the whole point. That's how it all starts off
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with the sewer. It's like, again, it's that I
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it's that iconic image isn't it's the clown looking out of
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the the sewer. Oh, it's.
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Not sewer. I was watching this, right.
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I had popcorn and Mark kept jumping.
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I kept losing my popcorn everywhere.
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But yeah. Four.
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Yeah, I think that was good. Yeah.
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Creepy. Creepy next.
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Well, we'll talk about Star Wars because we did over.
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The last few months. We went to Cineworld, didn't we?
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That's right, Star Wars Sunday. So 5 lbs.
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So we watched the original trilogy on the big screen.
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We. Did.
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But these were the 90s remasttle.
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I mean George Lucas, I think he got rid of the originals or put
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in a vault somewhere. Anyway, it's the the updated
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versions that he brought out in like 9596.
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That had new effects in it. Which had all those new.
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Very dated, which was slightly. Dated because they're the 90s
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effects and it's got deleted scenes and everything.
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But I mean, it's been such a long time since I watched the
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originals, I couldn't really tell what was new and what I'd.
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Forgot I only watched them for the first time, you know, about
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five years ago. Really.
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Ever. Yeah.
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Oh my God. Just never.
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We've never a Star Wars house. We were never.
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We were Star Trek house and we were a Doctor Who house, so
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there was no room for Star Wars. And Star Wars on always had Star
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Wars on. Well, I've seen up in your attic
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you've got that fabulous Millennium Falcon toy.
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Yeah. Something called the attacks,
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they're amazing. So the first one, what's it
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called? A New Hope.
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A New Hope, yeah. I mean slightly the only, I mean
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the experience of watching in the cinema is great.
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But we were in the front row so then tickets left so I couldn't
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see the whole screen. I kept like on my neck really
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hard like. Whinging throughout the whole
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movie. I don't know why they sell
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tickets for that close. You know, I could see it, said
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Cineworld. And all I had was NE right in
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front of me. I had to stretch my.
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Head, Obviously every time there was a close up of Carrie Fisher,
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I could see right up her nose. We could see, I could see
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everything. It was so that really not my
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neck really hurt. So I didn't particularly enjoy
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that one. I mean, I love the story.
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It's great watching it on the big screen.
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I. Thought just.
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Get immersed in it. Don't.
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You know what I ohh, I'm I'm 2 two I really loved one.
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I was less keen on of the original trilogy.
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I thought this was super fun. Like this was the funniest I
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thought. And loads of C3PO and R2D2 and
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there. I think there's a lot of deleted
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scenes of them put in because they're in it.
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Well, I feel good because. They make the movie.
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I feel like this whole Star Wars saga the lead is actually R2D2.
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It all happens around him. The funniest thing is though.
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It's all to do. Right.
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It's you and me. Before this, we watched Revenge
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of the Sith. Yeah, which had the most
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incredible lifesaver battle between Anakin Skywalker and
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everyone Kenobi. And then, of course, A New Hope
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has their final Alec Guinness. Yeah, and bless them.
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Like, obviously I'm not. Obviously, I know it was done 20
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years earlier or whatever, but it was so lame.
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Wasn't it? Just sort of like touching their
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little beams together very gently.
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And because we've watched, I mean, we watched the prequel,
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the new prequel, The Phantom Menace, blah, blah, blah, all
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those ones before. There's a slight continuity
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issue, which I'm sure there's a million Star Wars fans out there
20:58
which debate this hotly. So obviously young Anakin
21:04
Skywalker is not Anakin. What's his name?
21:07
Wan Kenobi. Obi Wan Kenobi.
21:08
Young Obi Wan knows C3, built C3PO and knows him.
21:12
So in this first one they find where Luke ends up with C3PO and
21:18
they find old Obi Wan Kenobi. C3PO doesn't know who he.
21:23
Is no, he just doesn't know. No, he literally has a line.
21:25
He says. I've never had a Droid before
21:28
the old Does he say that? He says that he's actually
21:30
saying that actually. Says.
21:31
They're in the same room, C3PO and they're in the same and
21:34
there's no and even R2D2 and R2D2 as well.
21:37
They don't know who he is, which is a bit of a shame.
21:39
You. Can't blame A New Hope for
21:42
something that happened. Yeah, just because they did.
21:44
It no you've. Got a blame Phantom Menace for
21:46
that though not A New Hope. No, yeah, I knew how it came
21:50
first. You can't blame the one that
21:51
came first, you blame the one that came second.
21:53
That ruins the continuity of what came first and that.
21:55
I just really annoyed you when that happened.
21:57
I'm sure there's a book or there's something or.
22:00
I've got to say my favorite sequence in the whole movie was
22:02
when they fell down a hole into all this trash, and then all the
22:06
walls started coming in. It reminded me of the war games
22:09
where the hardest walls came in. That was the first one.
22:12
Yeah, Right. Yeah.
22:12
Oh my God, It was so funny. And actually, I just thought
22:15
Carrie Fisher kicked ass as well.
22:18
And I wonder, she became a heroine.
22:19
So many people. And Empire stripes back returned
22:21
the Jedi again the same great on the big screen.
22:25
Do you think with Carrie Fisher? I couldn't even remember all the
22:27
jab of the hot stuff in there. No, that was the Jedi.
22:30
I couldn't remember after that. I think with Carrie Fisher,
22:34
right, All of the girls wanted to be her.
22:37
Yeah, all of the straight men wanted to fuck her, and all of
22:41
the gay men also wanted to be her.
22:46
Or the only bit, I don't know, that might have dated the most
22:49
is in Return of the Jedi in Jabba the Huts, Cabaret Bar.
22:53
You know that alien that's singing?
22:56
Yeah, yeah. No, that's sort of.
23:01
She's got like, lips. She's like, oh, that's so funny.
23:05
You know, she reminded me of who everyone's a fruit and nut cake.
23:09
Yeah, it's a. Bit like a taste of campus
23:11
chocolate. It's a bit like that so some of
23:13
it has stated but. Hunky, chunky almonds.
23:16
They're the secret. I'm about beauty.
23:19
If anyone doesn't know it's a big lipped choc bar of chocolate
23:23
from the 18th and advert on the 19th.
23:25
Sorry, you weren't about in the 80s, were you?
23:26
So I mean, are we going to individually?
23:28
Rate all of these four for A New Hope.
23:31
For me, 4, yeah, I mean, I'm going to do 4/3.
23:36
Well, now you got to talk about the second one.
23:37
Well, no, we have. I've just been talking about
23:38
them all. Just.
23:39
Generally I haven't. I was just talking about a new
23:41
home. And pass right us back.
23:42
Go on. Yeah, boring.
23:44
OK, now this is the most popular start.
23:45
It was a movie at all, but it's slow.
23:49
It's really exciting. Do you know those sequences on
23:50
Hoff at the beginning where you know the snow planet and all
23:54
that? It's much lauded, but you know
23:56
what? You can?
23:57
See, I do like him. You can see all the fucking
23:59
polystyrene and that dreadful monster that kidnaps Luke
24:02
Skywalker. It's the worst thing I've ever
24:04
seen. I like that.
24:06
Oh, you would. And I thought Cloud City looked
24:08
really cheap as well. And you know what really bored
24:10
me was all those interminable fucking scenes with Luke
24:13
Skywalker and Yoda on the planet.
24:15
Kept going back there. He's lifting up rocks.
24:18
He's doing his yoga. I'm like, Oh my God, will you
24:21
just move this along or like. It was a little bit long,
24:23
especially when you've got all those extra deleted scenes in
24:25
there as well. I think if you are into like all
24:28
the Star Wars live, you're well into this stuff, then all of
24:31
those scenes are just gripping for you because it's all the
24:33
characters and it was character focus this movie.
24:36
And I do usually like that, but I don't know, it really was sort
24:40
of middle child syndrome. You know, I think there's only
24:41
enough. Not the eldest that everyone
24:43
likes, not the youngest who's always the favorite, the middle
24:46
one that everyone just forgets about.
24:48
There's only enough story for like one film and he stretched
24:50
it over three. That's the problem.
24:52
Yeah, but I thought the first and 3rd ones were really fun.
24:55
This one wasn't fun, you know. It didn't have the humour to it.
24:58
What do you like in the last 1 then?
25:01
Oh, the Ewoks, well, they're amazing.
25:03
I mean, you know, C3PO comes along and they think he's the
25:07
God nails like. Going yeah, ah, I literally like
25:12
every scene that I see. That's the only thing that I
25:16
like. Did you know C3PO going?
25:18
My people, my people, we will attack the Force.
25:24
But I also thought that the whole thing about Luke Skywalker
25:28
possibly going to the dark side, confronting his father at the
25:32
end, the twist where his dad turns on Emperor Palpatine, all
25:37
of that stuff was just great in. The new version, they have the
25:41
new, new version. Now the ghosts at the end is I'm
25:46
hating Christian. So yeah, I like that.
25:48
That's a nice touch. Well, no.
25:49
It looks sort of like a pornstar waiting for a scene.
25:52
He does. He sort of got his hands on his
25:54
hips, sort of smiling, going, yeah, that's why I'm going to
25:57
bang in a minute. Poor actor who was originally in
26:01
it. He's out now, Yeah.
26:05
Who played Darth Vader? Is it?
26:08
Yeah, it looks a bit like Churchill from Doctor Who.
26:10
You know, sort of chubby man. I'd rather see Hayden
26:13
Christianson, to be honest. But I thought that was although
26:17
all these movies, right? They fucking wrap up so fast.
26:20
They blow up the Death Star in the first one, they Luke
26:23
Skywalker falls down a hole in the second one.
26:25
And in the third one, the walks, the walks.
26:29
Actually, I did have all the scenes added, didn't it?
26:31
Of all the planets from the prequels, we saw Jarja Binks.
26:35
The whole Galaxy was celebrating.
26:37
Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a whole, though, I mean, I
26:39
can see why it's popular. It is like balls to the wall
26:43
adventure, isn't it? And just full of great set
26:47
pieces and fun characters. Yeah, I absolutely get its
26:50
appeal. It just didn't get me young so
26:51
I've got no emotional attachment to it.
26:54
They're just fun movies. I haven't, I haven't watched
26:56
them. I have watched them.
26:58
It's not like a religion to you, is it?
26:59
No, you know, like you remember some of pagans.
27:02
I do enjoy it. I do enjoy it.
27:04
I wouldn't say I was a fan, but I would.
27:06
I enjoy it and I was looking at reading maybe a Star Wars novel
27:09
at some point. What's that?
27:12
I don't know. A Star Wars novel?
27:13
I'll find one. There's loads.
27:15
There's literally thousands of them.
27:17
The extended universe of Star Wars is enormous.
27:20
I know what's next, OK. Return of the Jedi, Four stars
27:24
again. 4 hamster wheels. Yeah, I'll give them.
27:27
No, no, no, I'll give Empire. What was it called again?
27:29
Not Empire of Death. Empire Strikes Back.
27:31
Thank you, Empire Strikes Back. I'll give free too.
27:36
Let's go to something different now.
27:38
Chicago, this is your. Come on, boys, we're gonna paint
27:41
the town. So I've.
27:44
Never seen this before. I've never seen the play or
27:47
whatever it is. What about you?
27:50
You like? It I sort of set the cinema.
27:51
I've seen it three times at the theatre.
27:56
I think the songs are just incredible in this, Absolutely.
27:59
But I do think this is a great production.
28:01
The whole, you know, she had it coming in the in the prison, all
28:06
done by a silhouette and that so, so beautiful.
28:09
I had no idea what the story was at all.
28:12
Well, you didn't seem to be not enjoying it.
28:16
No, but I don't know if I, I don't know.
28:21
It wasn't the most amazing thing that I've seen.
28:24
Like the songs are great. I don't know, it's just not.
28:27
I wouldn't choose to watch it. I think it's why.
28:29
I've never watched it all these years.
28:32
I think apart from the songs, it's got layers because it truly
28:35
exposes the hypocrisy of the press who chase stories, and it
28:40
exposes the hypocrisy of the legal system because the whole
28:44
thing is about somebody who is guilty of murder getting off and
28:47
how they use the press in order to sway the people.
28:51
It is a clever movie, but yeah, like if you don't really like
28:55
that period weird or that setting or the atmosphere of it,
28:58
I don't. Know Catherine Jones is all
29:00
right and. She was amazing.
29:02
Apparently she was a monster though when they were making it.
29:05
But Freddy is their worker by all accounts is lovely.
29:08
Oh. My God.
29:09
And Catherine Zeta Jones obviously had a lovely roasting
29:12
around Jon Perky's house a lot of the time when she did that.
29:14
Really happen? Yeah.
29:17
She went out with Jon Perky's son.
29:19
Right. So they could have been having a
29:21
lovely dinner and she'd be like. I think only you.
29:24
Only you. Suggest for like.
29:26
Dinners together I. Can give you some tips.
29:32
I just I just can't get my head around Catherine Zita Jones and
29:35
John Pat. We've been almost related and
29:37
happy. This Christmas together in me
29:39
2000s, I know it's before she did.
29:41
So obviously a path at that point.
29:44
So he's gonna go Catherine, can you get this job in Hollywood?
29:47
Please yes, he could have done the Richard Gereau.
29:51
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I just, I don't know, I just
29:55
can't get over those two people crossing piles.
29:58
This is another 4 for me though. I really I think this is high
30:02
energy. You need to be a skilled singer
30:05
and performer to take part in this, and it's just fabulously
30:10
catchy songs. I'll give it a three because it
30:12
was just not. It was all right.
30:14
I don't think I would choose to watch it again.
30:15
And the songs are okay. I don't know, maybe it's just
30:20
the setting or something, I'm just not really into it.
30:22
Do you know which song I really like that no one seems to like
30:24
cellophane. Mr. Cellophane could have been
30:30
my name. Richard is very good in it.
30:32
He's crazy, yeah. Is that the one he's?
30:35
Saying you move us on. Does he sing that?
30:37
No, that's. What does he sing that when?
30:39
See, Ryan, he got cool. Yes.
30:41
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
30:42
I guess. I guess they're both before the
30:44
gum For the gum. Yes.
30:46
Oh, yes. So yes, yes, yes.
30:47
Oh, my poor dear Runaway Romance.
30:50
She was great Earth and simple and Mama Mia, the press lady.
30:55
If John Perry was starring in it, I would.
30:57
Watch. Oh, for God's sake, move us on
30:59
quick. John Perry is not in Chicago.
31:03
OK, Talented Mr. Ripley next based.
31:07
On I didn't think it was this, did I?
31:09
I thought I put in Talented Mr. Ripley.
31:12
I thought it was good role. Is it still the same actor?
31:15
Matt Damon Yeah. That's why you got it mixed up.
31:17
Anyway, Talented Mr. Ripley, Based on the novel by Patricia
31:20
Highsmith. And you know what else she wrote
31:23
that we've watched that you didn't like last time Cry The
31:27
owl. You really?
31:28
Didn't awful, so it's. The same author do.
31:31
You know what? Actually, this had similar sort
31:34
of discomforting scenes as Black Cry the Owl, didn't it?
31:37
Yeah, she also wrote. Way better though.
31:39
I think she wrote Brokeback Mountain as well.
31:41
Two things. Two things that sell this movie.
31:43
Yeah, Matt Damon is fucking incredible in.
31:47
That in film studies, and I can't remember why we did a
31:50
screening of it. I can't remember why we had a
31:52
lecture on it, the scene. And the bow when he murders Jude
31:57
Law. I, I was so uncomfortable to
32:01
watch, but in a good way. I really was sitting there
32:04
clenched up, you know? And I thought, OK, he's going to
32:07
hurt him. He murders him horribly.
32:10
And you really see the murder, oh, for like a couple of
32:13
minutes. It's really horrible.
32:15
So this is about sort of like obsession and identity you
32:19
obviously. Can understand that and he's
32:21
like. To me, and he's like a con man
32:22
as well, isn't he? He is a Comer and the girlfriend
32:26
right is on him. She she no, not on him like
32:29
that. She's on to him.
32:31
She knows he did it, and yeah, but.
32:33
Right at the. End a bit in the apartment where
32:37
she goes to say to him, I know you did it and he comes to War
32:41
zone. You think he's going to get
32:42
killed and then he's going out with Jack Davenport from Steven
32:45
Moffitt Coupling, who's in this as a sort of gay love interest.
32:51
He comes in at the last minute. This.
32:53
Is like sort of mystery. It's not like a gay film.
32:56
Filmed in Italy. I thought it was.
32:58
Venice. Venice, Yeah, the scenery was
33:00
absolutely. I'm really.
33:01
Interested because there was they've made ATV series of it,
33:04
an actual series. I can't remember what streaming
33:06
it's on or anything, but I'd be interested to see how they could
33:09
stretch this out. Do you know I I had warning
33:12
bells on the face? There is a sequel.
33:15
An hour. I had warning bells in the first
33:18
half an hour. By the end I was absolutely
33:20
hooked. It's a little bit slow to get
33:22
going. It's quite, I don't know, it's
33:23
all you're just following Matt Damon's character, building up
33:27
this new identity, weaving his way into the life of this guy
33:31
that he's eventually obsessed with.
33:33
And they don't really know because they're all just sort of
33:35
just having a great time and everything.
33:37
They don't realize until it's too late.
33:39
Due to Laws is so obsessed with himself, not the character he's
33:42
playing, that he can't see that Matt Damon is obsessed with him.
33:46
But he doesn't. He starts having sex with the
33:48
woman, like, right in front of him and all that, making him
33:50
feel really uncomfortable. Matt Damon.
33:52
What, Like the talented Matt Damon, this should have been
33:56
called. And he can't start playing that
33:58
spy role, didn't he? And he did all of those, Yeah,
34:01
which he was very good at. But this and goodwill hungry.
34:05
Early on, isn't it? They really show what a what a
34:08
diverse actor he is. I was, Yeah, I fall, hamster.
34:12
Wheels. He's not seen it at all.
34:13
Had you? No.
34:13
No, no, no, no, no. But I was at by the end, I was
34:15
completely gripped by the movie. Do you know what I'm going to
34:19
say? 4 as well I keep.
34:19
Agreeing we didn't agree about. Oh, apart from Chicago.
34:23
Impasse strikes back. Yeah.
34:25
Oh, OK. And then the next.
34:27
We've just recently watched this.
34:29
This was my choice. What was that?
34:31
I love a Leonardo DiCaprio film. You too.
34:33
Is it because you like to see a flash of his bum in the movies?
34:36
He. Has.
34:37
Got a last bum though. So you think we did?
34:39
He just chooses really great. I said this about we did the
34:41
Aviator last time with him, didn't we?
34:43
Oh, very long. Yeah, that was long film.
34:45
Actually, this was a long film as well.
34:47
He. Chooses their space.
34:48
So every couple of years Leonardo DiCaprio does a great
34:50
film. He can pick and choose whatever
34:52
he wants to do. And it was really great stories.
34:55
And this is did I say what it was?
34:57
No. OK.
34:58
The Revenant, which was billed as a Western.
35:02
Well, it is a Western because it's got Cowboys and engines in
35:05
it. Yeah, so he's.
35:07
Saying like it these days, Native Americans.
35:10
Native. Yeah, yeah.
35:11
So this is back in the day. I mean, it's not like a Western
35:16
where you're expecting like it's in the desert or anything.
35:19
This is in snow and ice in the mountains in wherever in
35:23
America. I don't.
35:24
Really know the territory. Yeah, I don't.
35:26
Know that? Who knows?
35:27
I mean the scenery will stark and stunning and the
35:32
cinematography was on another level.
35:35
I'm not sure I've ever seen such beautiful scenery in a movie.
35:39
So you've got basically the Native Americans are after the
35:45
American guys who are coming in there hunting for like furs and
35:49
stuff. And Leonardo DiCaprio is their
35:52
guide. So he's on the American side,
35:54
but he also in flashback had relations with a Native American
36:01
lady and had a son. So the son is with him and the
36:04
Americans and they're, they're like, we've got to get out of
36:07
here. They're all coming.
36:08
And then it's, I mean, that opening scene is a bit of an
36:11
attack between both of them. And it's very, it's very
36:14
gruesome. It's.
36:16
Disgusting. There's lots of blood.
36:17
It's very. Realistic.
36:20
With bows and, you know, with the arrows going into people.
36:23
Shoot us to that director, because he put that set piece on
36:28
the screen with such authenticity.
36:30
But it is brutal. It was too much for me, so I
36:34
can't stand seeing it. No, it was arrows going through
36:37
people's heads. Yeah.
36:38
And oh God, people were dying left right in the center.
36:41
Makes you feel very uncomfortable.
36:43
But then even worse then is the character that Leonardo, I'm
36:47
going to call him Leo. Leo plays he.
36:50
Gets attacked. By a bear, oh, visceral.
36:53
I mean, it's a CGI bear, but he's again, no.
36:56
Was it? Yeah, obviously, but it wasn't.
36:59
So really it's. Clored him.
37:00
It's not letting him go. It is biting into him.
37:03
Do. You know what it was throwing
37:04
him around the camera. Oh my God, the camera is fixed
37:07
to Leonardo DiCaprio, right? So you are literally being
37:10
mauled by that bear yourself. You are being thrown around with
37:14
him. So you feel like it's just, it's
37:17
so realistic. And basically unpleasantly
37:21
realistic American guys, like he's really badly injured, he's
37:24
going to die. They try and help him, but
37:27
obviously they need to get on because they've been pursued.
37:30
They basically he's left to die and the rest.
37:33
Of the hill and his son is killed.
37:35
And his son is killed, so he's left to die.
37:38
And he can't speak. He has hardly any dialogue
37:41
because, I mean, his throat's been ripped apart by a bear.
37:44
So for about the next hour and a half, it's basically.
37:48
Don't. You him surviving on his own.
37:50
He's literally throwing himself down down rivers.
37:53
Oh my God. And the worst moment, the
37:55
shocking moment, I mean, it's all.
37:57
Gruesome. Never mind all the people dying,
37:59
Mark was appalled when so. He's on a horse and he's being
38:02
pursued by the Native Americans after him and everything.
38:06
And he's not galloping there, galloping after each other.
38:08
And there's bows and arrows and all of that stuff.
38:10
And then suddenly he gets with and it's the edge of a Cliff and
38:14
him and the horse go off the edge of the Cliff and the horse
38:18
falls down splat. He gets saved because he falls
38:21
in some trees. And so you've got this
38:23
splattered horse and and then it starts to snow.
38:26
So to survive, this is how this is the tip.
38:29
This is just a typical day in all of this hour and a half of
38:31
him surviving, he has to cut open the horse, take all its
38:34
guts out and sort of get in it naked to.
38:38
You see it all. Survive and.
38:40
You see everything. You see him pull open the flaps,
38:43
take out the organs. He then climbs into the off for
38:47
himself and it's like it is warm in there because you can see the
38:51
smoke hitting the ice, you know. So whatever that prop is, they
38:56
warms him up and well, you do see his bum at that point when
39:00
he goes in. But I have to say, right, I am
39:05
so pleased we watched this because it is the work of highly
39:08
skilled people. And I mean, the actors, the
39:11
directors, the cinematographers, everybody, the cinematography,
39:14
they truly pushed film making in this movie.
39:17
Yeah. Like the separate I was reading
39:19
on Wiki and apparently the writer was going, OK, well,
39:22
we'll do this and the director's going, no, go, push further.
39:25
I'll put it on the screen, I'll make it happen.
39:28
And he kept, he kept saying that the director was pushing him to,
39:31
to, you know, like the bear attack and all of that.
39:35
I will never watch this again. It was.
39:38
I mean, it's an experience we colour we had did it in three.
39:41
We had to do it in three hours, about 3 hour long session.
39:44
Hours, 40 minutes. The actual film I don't know if
39:48
I could sit in. The it's not to experience no
39:50
what in one go. In one go I would be a bit, I
39:53
mean, you'd be totally into it. And no, immersed, I think you'd
39:57
feel like you've been assaulted by the end if you.
39:59
I wouldn't. 3 hours it's not. In 3D or anything.
40:01
Oh my God. Oh my God, that horse.
40:03
Got I mean lift, I've gotta say, right?
40:05
I can stand, I can stomach quite a lot.
40:07
I I can watch You didn't like it.
40:09
Always crazy, crazy anatomy scenes that you turned away from
40:13
Grey's Anatomy. Jesus, but the fight at the end
40:17
of this where Tom Hardy and Leonardo.
40:19
Tom Hardy in it. Literally RIP each other to
40:22
pieces. Yeah, it is so so.
40:26
He chops his fingers. Unbelievably violent and
40:30
they're, you know, they're stabbing each other and it is a
40:33
fight to the. Wild West.
40:34
It's horrible. And I I literally just, I put my
40:38
head in your chest and was like, I can't watch this anymore.
40:40
Tell me when it's over. Yeah.
40:43
So I mean, I'll give it 4 or because I think it was an
40:46
incredible movie. I can't say I enjoyed it though.
40:51
No, no. Oh.
40:52
No, I did, I think glad. I've been waiting to watch it
40:55
for a few years. You know, those books of like,
40:57
you know, 1000 movies you must see before you die because,
41:02
yeah, they're important to cinema.
41:04
I think this is one of those movies, you know, But it
41:07
wouldn't turn up in 1000 movies to sit back, kick your feet up
41:11
and enjoy. No, No, maybe not.
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No, there we are. That's the end of the movie
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show. Have we chosen anything out for
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the next movie? You chose Jurassic Park next.
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Welcome to Jurassic Park. Hi, John.
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Oh, hi, John. Hello, John.
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What's? That.
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You know where And that's the DNA example and also and also
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the bit with the arm. Mr. Arnold.
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Mr. Arnold. Mr. Arnold.
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Thank God. I only remembered the bit where
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the man's on the loo. Tyrannosaurus Rex comes along
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and eats him. Imagine being eaten by
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Tyrannosaurus Rex on the loo. What a way to go.
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Oh well, sorry to tell the grandkids.
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Well, until we see all those fabulous 90s CGI dinosaurs,
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yeah. Some great films that we've
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recommended. Well, I'll come away now in my
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pork chop dress. And what's about?
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What's about? Anyway, see you later see.
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You next time.