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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark with me as always a Charles W.
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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant and um that makes this stuff. You should
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Speaker 1: know the podcast. A right, is that a wookie? That
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Speaker 1: is me messing with Sasquatch? It sounded more like, um,
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Speaker 1: Frankenstein from starright Live. I remember that. I love that
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Speaker 1: frankast Panto and Tarzan Tarzan classic skit. Have you seen
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Speaker 1: the commercials Messing with Sasquatch? Yeah, Jack Links, it's pretty funny. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: all of them are. It's one of my favorite spots. Actually,
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Speaker 1: well it contradicts, um, I witness reports that paint Bigfoot
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Speaker 1: is kind of a benign, shy creature. Now as far
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Speaker 1: as Jack Links is concerned, he goes a gro when you, um,
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Speaker 1: when you mess with him. I guess that's what it is.
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Speaker 1: So I have an actual intro for this one. All right,
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Speaker 1: let's here, we're talking Bigfoot and very recently there's some
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Speaker 1: enormous huge news um and um, we should probably preface
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Speaker 1: this one like, if you are a skeptic, don't worry,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna give your side of this too. But we
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Speaker 1: have found over the years that UM, it's very respectful
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Speaker 1: to give voice to both sides. We try to and UM,
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Speaker 1: we're not insulting you by speaking the other person's side.
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Speaker 1: Will express your side as well, and when we do that,
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Speaker 1: we're not insulting the other side. And at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, it's about Bigfoot. So let's not get
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Speaker 1: so worked up. Calm down, you know, it's all just fun.
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Speaker 1: There's a a self professed veterinarian with twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: experience including forensics named um Dr Melba Catchum Melba s
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Speaker 1: catchum and she supposedly she claims got her hands on
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Speaker 1: some UH samples of Bigfoot hair and has been testing
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Speaker 1: it do running genetic tests on it, and recently announced
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Speaker 1: and wrote a paper that's under puer view as it
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Speaker 1: stands now, UM that she she managed to isolate three
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Speaker 1: separate nuclear um d NA. Okay, that that came from
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Speaker 1: three separate groups. So one is the nuclear DNA. Remember,
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Speaker 1: so you have UM. Nuclear DNA is the mixture of
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Speaker 1: the mothers and the father's DNA. Mitochondrial DNA is strictly
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Speaker 1: from the mother. So the researcher found the nuclear DNA
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Speaker 1: came from a human Bigfoot, which is a hybrid of
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Speaker 1: the human and this third species and non human species
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Speaker 1: doesn't know what it is yet, but supposedly that's what
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Speaker 1: this hair sample showed. Then this is just now right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I believe they made this announcement like in late November,
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Speaker 1: early December, which is now under peer review. It is
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Speaker 1: under peer review. That doesn't mean that it's going to
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Speaker 1: pass peer review, but she submitted the paper for peer review. Um. Now,
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Speaker 1: she said that the the mitochondrial DNA in the sample
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Speaker 1: was human, which means that this third thing, Bigfoot, is
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Speaker 1: the product of a female woman and a this non
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Speaker 1: human species, the mystery species reproducing and forming Bigfoot. And
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Speaker 1: she says that she isolated it to about fifteen thousand
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Speaker 1: years ago. Now, anybody who's followed Dr Ketchum's career can
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Speaker 1: poke holes all in this. There was apparently I read
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Speaker 1: an early draft of the paper that she said this third,
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Speaker 1: this third um species was an angel and people skeptics
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Speaker 1: love beating up on people like this. But my hat
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Speaker 1: is off to her for first of all, undergoing this
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Speaker 1: using the scientific method to root out um the unexplained.
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Speaker 1: That's extremely forty in nature and I love that stuff um.
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Speaker 1: And then secondly to put it up for peer of
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Speaker 1: view and to face that that kind of criticism. One
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Speaker 1: of the big problems that she she isn't saying like
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Speaker 1: where this sample, how she knows this is a sample
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Speaker 1: of Bigfoot's DNA. She didn't say where she got it,
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Speaker 1: not that not that I could find. And I actually
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Speaker 1: saw in one article that she's not saying where it,
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Speaker 1: where it came from. So there's a lot of holes
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Speaker 1: in it. But if you wanted big current bigfoot news,
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Speaker 1: that's about as big as it gets. That's right. Uh,
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Speaker 1: not quite as current as our our own law officer
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Speaker 1: here in Georgia. Is that last year the year before
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Speaker 1: the one up in the North Grogia. Yeah, man with
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Speaker 1: with his freezer, I didn't follow that very close. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say that I really want to
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Speaker 1: believe in Bigfoot or not want to believe. I want to.
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Speaker 1: I want there to be a Bigfoot. I don't think
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Speaker 1: there is that means you want to believe in, but
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Speaker 1: I still want to. I want to believe it's out there,
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Speaker 1: because it's just it would be so cool. And whenever,
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Speaker 1: when when I saw that story, the sheriff and I
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Speaker 1: think he's a sheriff or deputy in North Georgia. It
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Speaker 1: was a hoax, of course, but he said he had
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Speaker 1: a body in a freezer and they showed pictures of this.
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Speaker 1: Uh ah, what you know? It was a guerrilla suit, right,
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Speaker 1: that's what ended up being with and it had guts,
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Speaker 1: had like animal entrails, but it looked like initially like,
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Speaker 1: oh man, that looks like a dead bigfoot, and then
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Speaker 1: you look closer and it's like a suit that you
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Speaker 1: can get online. I wish I had that kind of
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Speaker 1: time to do stuff like that. Yeah, apparently portrayed hoax.
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Speaker 1: Apparently they were trying to try drum up, but potential
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Speaker 1: business for leading big foot tours in North Georgia. It's
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Speaker 1: a sound way to do it until you get found
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Speaker 1: out and then ultimately either retire or get fired. Could
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Speaker 1: still work. Oh well, okay he lost his day job,
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Speaker 1: is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, you can't do stuff
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Speaker 1: like that. If you're a cop, you can't pull a hoax. Now,
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Speaker 1: you can't pull a hoax and try and snow people
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Speaker 1: for money. That's not that's not legal. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that it is illegal to uh to snow people for money,
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Speaker 1: to promise them something that's not true and charge This
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Speaker 1: guy says that you call it fraud, No, it's a hoax.
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Speaker 1: There's a big difference between fraud and hoax people. If
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Speaker 1: he had the business, it would be fraud. No. That
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Speaker 1: would be like if he promised that you were going
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Speaker 1: to see Bigfoot, not a big Foot tour, but he
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Speaker 1: said you're gonna see Bigfoot on this tour and he didn't,
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Speaker 1: then you could get him for fraud. I think you
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Speaker 1: would still be fraud if he founded that business and
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Speaker 1: advertise it on a s premise, which is I found
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Speaker 1: this thing. Look at it. Yeah, I see your point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about Bigfoot. This guy up in North
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Speaker 1: Georgia is pretty far from the only person to pull
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Speaker 1: a declared Bigfoot hoax. Um. What keeps this thing going
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Speaker 1: is that there's some stuff out there that's considered this
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Speaker 1: body of evidence of big Foot's existence that hasn't been
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Speaker 1: definitively debunked and right. One of the other things that
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Speaker 1: I think people who are believers in Bigfoot, like the
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Speaker 1: ones that are out there like looking for Bigfoot and
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Speaker 1: believe in Bigfoot. One of the things that keeps them
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Speaker 1: going also is this correlation between Bigfoot sightings among people
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Speaker 1: of European descent and big Foot legends of Native American
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Speaker 1: tribes long before the Europeans ever got here. And if
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Speaker 1: you um, if you look at the names of that
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Speaker 1: these different tribes have and take a step back, you're like, Wow,
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Speaker 1: these tribes were all over the place. There, somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, somewhere in Florida, somewhere in Um, the north,
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Speaker 1: northeastern United States, and eastern Canada, and all of them
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Speaker 1: have this weird um tall giant hairy man legend that
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Speaker 1: they have a name for UM, even though they're you know,
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Speaker 1: geographically scattered all over the place. And it's possible that
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Speaker 1: they these all of these different Um legends share a
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Speaker 1: single common ancestor that it's further back, maybe located on
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Speaker 1: the steps of Eurasia, but it's also kind of noteworthy
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Speaker 1: that they all have different legends for it. Him Alay
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Speaker 1: is even the yetty incominable snowman in Asia very popular UM.
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Speaker 1: Apparently you hear that one more than you see it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which I didn't know. But we should call this thing
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Speaker 1: sasquatch because that is the most common name they use nowadays.
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Speaker 1: And um, even though some of the names from Native
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Speaker 1: American tribes when day go yeah, yeah, that's correct, ohma,
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Speaker 1: rugaru and books is some of the names that this
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Speaker 1: has gone by Native American lord, but sashquatch, shash squatch
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Speaker 1: comes from I have no idea how to pronounce that.
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Speaker 1: It looks like sess shock anyway, that that word in
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Speaker 1: another word from the area around British Columbia were similar
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Speaker 1: enough that in the nineteen twenties, white school teacher named J. W.
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Speaker 1: Burns coined the term sasquatch. And it's basically it's the
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Speaker 1: umbrella term for any big foot like man, right, so
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Speaker 1: we should. Even though these sightings have varied in their
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Speaker 1: description over the years, there a few hallmarks that pop up.
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Speaker 1: One is that this is a tall beast between seven
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Speaker 1: and fifteen feet, which is that enormous. Yeah, I haven't
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Speaker 1: most of the ones I've heard of between like seven
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Speaker 1: or eight feet. Have you seen the troll hunter? I
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Speaker 1: saw that recently. Actually, that first troll that they watched
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Speaker 1: the guy s happen turing this tone. That thing was
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Speaker 1: about fifteen ft tall. That's huge. Yeah, that was a
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Speaker 1: pretty good movie. I'd buy ten ft no way, no way. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Did you like the movie was excellent? Yeah? I kind
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Speaker 1: of got it kind of wore on me towards the end.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a little long, but it was
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Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, and the imagination that it used was
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Speaker 1: just beautiful. Totally agreed. Un people, Um it walks on
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Speaker 1: two legs, that's a big one. Was that bipedal? That
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Speaker 1: what they say? Um, it's upright and has a loping gate. Um,
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Speaker 1: he's seeing the elf right the movie Elf. Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: one shot where they mimic the uh, the famous sixteen
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Speaker 1: millimeter film where it's so it's Will Ferrell and Central
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Speaker 1: Park and they like have that from frame three fifty
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Speaker 1: two of the sixteen millimeter film. It's pretty funny. So
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Speaker 1: Will Ferrell's doing sens. Yeah, it says like, you know,
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Speaker 1: the strange Elf was seen wandering through Central Park and
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Speaker 1: they mimic that. Yeah Frell. Yeah, it was very good.
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Speaker 1: Um and then long reddish fur that's a big one,
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Speaker 1: reddish brown. That's and that's really interesting that it's um,
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Speaker 1: that Sasquatch is typically described as having long, reddish brown fur. Ye,
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Speaker 1: that's a really specific thing for everybody report. And again
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Speaker 1: it's possible that like people have heard other reports and said,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's what they're expecting to see or that's
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Speaker 1: what they're reporting because that's what Sasquatch has. But it's
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Speaker 1: still it's significant. Um, you said that the YETI uh
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Speaker 1: was more heard than seen. Bigfoot is usually more seen
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Speaker 1: than heard. But when Bigfoot is heard, um that he
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Speaker 1: makes gurgling noises, howling noises, noises that sound totally alien
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Speaker 1: to the people reporting it. Yeah. I've heard weird noises
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Speaker 1: in the woods camping all my life, and I've never thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's a big Foot. I just think that's just something
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Speaker 1: some animal making a strange sound that I've never heard
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Speaker 1: because you live in the city, that's right. Uh. Supposedly
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Speaker 1: this uh Sasquatch also has sort of a man like face,
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Speaker 1: and reports from either being really really really smelly to
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Speaker 1: not smelling at all. Oh yeah, that's not in this article.
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Speaker 1: I forgot about how smelly Bigfoot is supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: I've heard that many times. Um. They're also supposedly very
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Speaker 1: wary of people, but also at the same time intensely
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Speaker 1: curious about us. Um and Uh. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: who have made eyewitness reports say that they weren't scared,
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Speaker 1: which is weird. Yeah. Most people say that, like, I
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Speaker 1: didn't feel threatened, right, and that kind of jibes with um.
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Speaker 1: Most Native Americans legends about Bigfoot that it was Um,
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Speaker 1: it's a a benign creature. Uh, and often it's it
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Speaker 1: has intellect and um, it's given spiritual powers in Native
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Speaker 1: American lore. So it wasn't something to be afraid of. Sasquatches,
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Speaker 1: your friend. Yeah. Uh, they usually are by themselves, but
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Speaker 1: there have been reports of several of these sasquatches hanging
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Speaker 1: out together and chatting. Yeah, but for the most part
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Speaker 1: they're usually alone. Right. Um. So you put all this
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Speaker 1: together and you've got like a pretty good common It's
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Speaker 1: like the A. K. C. Breed for sasquatch. These are
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Speaker 1: its characteristics. I love it, Okay. Um. If you take
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Speaker 1: this at at face value, which you should. Sure if
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Speaker 1: you're a skeptic, you should always look at things at
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Speaker 1: face value, not just immediately dismissed her poop po it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of it. And that's
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Speaker 1: what we're about to do now. The first question is, um,
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Speaker 1: could a creature that matches this description possibly exists? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And it's important when considering this to point out that
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Speaker 1: we'd have never despite all the sightings and little still
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Speaker 1: shots and film clips and audio clips, there's never been
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Speaker 1: any conclusive evidence. They've never found bones, but that's huge
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um, a lot of footprints and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. So moving forward, could this exist perhaps
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Speaker 1: in the giganto Pithecus, right, because that's a creature that
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Speaker 1: that actually did exist at some point. And it says
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Speaker 1: here in the article that the gigant epithecis Pipthecus, which
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Speaker 1: is the largest primate in the fossil record, lived between
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Speaker 1: one and nine million years ago. Actually, I saw an
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Speaker 1: article that had updated that to about a hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: years ago, which meant that humans and Gigantapipthecus lived side
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Speaker 1: by side. Have you seen this thing I have looks
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Speaker 1: like a big foot, um, you know, yeah, And then like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess if someone saw that in the woods, I
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Speaker 1: would think it was a sasquad um. It lived in
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Speaker 1: Southeast Asia or in Central Asia, and it's a relative
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Speaker 1: of the orangutane. Yeah, big time. So it looks a
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Speaker 1: lot like one. Yeah, this is all extremely interesting stuff
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Speaker 1: in case you didn't know. Because orangutans, for starters, have
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Speaker 1: reddish hair, reddish orange hair, so that's one connection to
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Speaker 1: gigant Epithecus. Yeah. They've got the long arms like that. Yeah. Um.
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Speaker 1: They walked up right about ten feet tall, usually about
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Speaker 1: twelve pounds um. And if since orangutans are the closest
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Speaker 1: modern relative of gigant Epithecus it um, it makes sense
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Speaker 1: to kind of look at them, look at their behavior.
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Speaker 1: Does it match bigfoot stuff? Yeah? They have teeth similar
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Speaker 1: to humans, so that could account a little bit for
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Speaker 1: the man like look that people often talk about. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Make occasionally will make a loud howling calls. Uh that
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Speaker 1: sound odd to other orangutans. Another thing that kind of
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Speaker 1: separates them too, aside from being um Asian whereas most
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Speaker 1: primates are African um, is that they tend to live
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Speaker 1: solitary lives, so they don't aggregate in groups. They live
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Speaker 1: by themselves mostly. Okay, so chalk one up for the
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Speaker 1: big foot enthusiasts. Again, they're like, okay, well that's it's
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Speaker 1: gigant epithekus. Uh, they live a long time, and because
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Speaker 1: they are widely dispersed, they may not even see other
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Speaker 1: orangon tangs for many long stretches. So of course they
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Speaker 1: may not see a human either exactly. You know. And
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Speaker 1: if they're intellectual or if they have intellect um, as
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Speaker 1: people who believe in bigfoot like to point out, they
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Speaker 1: would be able to successfully hide from humans probably sure,
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Speaker 1: especially if their habitat was the woods and the mountains. Um.
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Speaker 1: And so you put all that together, that they have
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Speaker 1: a long lifespan, meaning there's not a lot of them
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Speaker 1: dying frequently. They live, they're spread out population wise, and
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Speaker 1: they tend to live in remote geographic regions. That if
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Speaker 1: you add all that up, it's a pretty good reason
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Speaker 1: why you wouldn't have found any bones. Yes, because bones
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Speaker 1: candy k and the wild like that between five and
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Speaker 1: ten years and um, the author of this was this
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Speaker 1: the grabster. This is Tom Harris. I'm Harris. He's a
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Speaker 1: good one. Um. He points out that that people have
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Speaker 1: never gone on bigfoot bone hunting expeditions, so like people
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Speaker 1: aren't looking for these things, so they may not have
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Speaker 1: found him. Well, yeah, there is a guy actually who's
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Speaker 1: um looking for Bigfoot, his Idaho State anthropology professor, and
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Speaker 1: he has his crowdsourcing blimp to hunt for Bigfoot with
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Speaker 1: thermal imaging cameras and stuff like that. And he's three
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Speaker 1: and if you're interested in it, you can check out
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Speaker 1: that I thought it was. But he's got his own
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Speaker 1: website called Falcon Project UM and that's what he's trying
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Speaker 1: to do with it. So there is at least one
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Speaker 1: person trying to do a rigorous scientific hunt for Bigfoot.
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Speaker 1: But and then there's all kinds of groups looking right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's even a show on Animal Planet, one of our
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Speaker 1: h Discovery Channel stay stations, one of our I would
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Speaker 1: call it a sister station, but I'm not a station
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Speaker 1: one of our colleagues, and it's, uh, what's it called
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Speaker 1: Finding Bigfoot? And these people are out there hunting Bigfoot.
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Speaker 1: And I've even watched bits of it because I just
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Speaker 1: think it's cool and interesting and uh, it's kind of
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Speaker 1: a fun little show. So I recommend it. And weren't
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Speaker 1: we weren't even asked to plug that. I'm just plugging it.
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Speaker 1: You know. Um, do you have a possible link between
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Speaker 1: the orangutan um right and big Foot? And that link
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Speaker 1: might be a gigant Epithecus. Question is still remaining. Um,
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Speaker 1: how did gigant Epithekis get here? Uh? Well, we walked
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Speaker 1: over the Uh was it the land bridge bearing land bridge? Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: just like we did not you and me. But you know,
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Speaker 1: well that's one theory. Um. But the the big problem here, Chuck,
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Speaker 1: is the absence of proof doesn't prove anything. The fact
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Speaker 1: that we haven't found bones. Even though you can explain it,
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Speaker 1: we still haven't found any bones, and it doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: that something exists, and that's a it's a big problem
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Speaker 1: in this debate. You can also point to, though very happily,
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Speaker 1: the Ceila cant right. Uh. The Ceila canth was thought
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Speaker 1: to have gone extinct sixty million years ago. It's a fish,
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Speaker 1: I thought you have gone extinct in the late Cretaceous period,
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Speaker 1: and then they found it swimming off the coast of Africa.
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Speaker 1: So you can point to that and say it's entirely
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Speaker 1: possible that Gigantapithekis survived somehow and we just didn't know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and scientists are They'll point out that there are all
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Speaker 1: kinds of creatures that are still undiscovered, but most of
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Speaker 1: them are sea creatures. And that makes sense too, because
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Speaker 1: we don't spend very much time under the sea, No
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Speaker 1: we don't, um, whereas you know, we spend a decent
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Speaker 1: amount of time in the woods. Um. Okay, So if
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Speaker 1: you're a skeptic, everything we just said probably made the
20:56
Speaker 1: hair on the back of your neck bristle in irritation.
20:59
Speaker 1: And here's why, because, like we said, the absence of
21:03
Speaker 1: proof doesn't prove anything. Sure, um, And it's entirely possible
21:07
Speaker 1: that all of this evidence, this body of evidence, Um,
21:11
Speaker 1: it's just basically a bunch of independent hoaxters fooling a
21:15
Speaker 1: bunch of people over time. Yea or uh, innocent mistaken identity.
21:20
Speaker 1: They're not all hoaxters. Some people have perhaps gotten confused
21:25
Speaker 1: about things, said, boy, that mangie bear doesn't look right.
21:30
Speaker 1: It's standing up on its back legs too. Or the
21:32
Speaker 1: recent photo that was that still image captured at night
21:36
Speaker 1: and that's what they said it was was a mangie bear.
21:38
Speaker 1: But that thing was kind of weird looking. Yeah, it
21:42
Speaker 1: was like a night image shot and it was on
21:44
Speaker 1: it was on four leg or four you know, I
21:46
Speaker 1: don't know if their arms or what, um, and you know,
21:49
Speaker 1: it looked odd. But they you know, they explained it
21:52
Speaker 1: away as a mangie bear. Um. But yeah, lots of
21:55
Speaker 1: hoaxes over the years. Yeah. And if you go into
21:58
Speaker 1: the woods and you're even the least bit familiar with
22:00
Speaker 1: any kind of big foot loor and you see something
22:02
Speaker 1: that's that possibly fits it, you may be the victim
22:07
Speaker 1: of wishful thinking or being impressionable or what have you. Yeah,
22:11
Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty good accusation a skeptical level
22:14
Speaker 1: against somebody who reports a big foot siding. And the first, um,
22:19
Speaker 1: an easiest way to hoax someone, to pull a hoax
22:23
Speaker 1: on someone is the old fake footprint. Yeah, not too
22:27
Speaker 1: hard to do. You make a fake foot you wear
22:30
Speaker 1: it on your feet, and you perhaps run along in
22:35
Speaker 1: the woods, maybe lope, maybe leap to make the footsteps,
22:39
Speaker 1: you know, the gate correct um, and then you make
22:42
Speaker 1: a plaster mold of it. The problem with these is
22:45
Speaker 1: there's in so many over the years that it's like
22:48
Speaker 1: clear that they're hoaxes. Because this one is two toes,
22:51
Speaker 1: this one has claws, this one has eight toes. And
22:54
Speaker 1: you know there are people aren't getting together on these
22:56
Speaker 1: and making them consistent. Um. Probably the most contentious bit
23:02
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot evidence was that sixteen millimeter film you mentioned
23:08
Speaker 1: that was made in nine seven by a guy named
23:11
Speaker 1: Roger Patterson, the Patterson Gimblin Film, and it's from Bluff Creek, California,
23:17
Speaker 1: and basically it shows Bigfoot walking across basically a clearing
23:22
Speaker 1: into the woods, and Bigfoot is aware that he's being watched,
23:25
Speaker 1: and he turns and looks at the camera. Like he said,
23:27
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell didn't help um. And I remember years ago
23:31
Speaker 1: like watching this and when I was back in my
23:34
Speaker 1: time life books phase like I'll believe anything, just tell
23:37
Speaker 1: me um. And they were saying that one of the
23:40
Speaker 1: reasons that this thing was so convincing that it was
23:43
Speaker 1: Bigfoot was that and he looked over his shoulder. Rather
23:46
Speaker 1: than looking with just his head, just turning his head,
23:50
Speaker 1: Bigfoot turns his whole shoulder and torso along with this head,
23:55
Speaker 1: which is something that a primate would likely do, and
23:58
Speaker 1: non human primate, I should say, or someone in an
24:00
Speaker 1: ape suit, we should possibly that's another possibility to They
24:05
Speaker 1: also point out that bigfoots walking with his knees bent
24:08
Speaker 1: in this that's another sure sign of primate, whereas I
24:10
Speaker 1: did that today. By the way, it is it hard, Well,
24:14
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest thing, but what it makes you
24:16
Speaker 1: do is sort of lope along with a kind of
24:20
Speaker 1: a funny gate, a loping gate. Yeah yeah, um, that's
24:24
Speaker 1: That's something that bigfoot enthusiast point too, is that this
24:27
Speaker 1: thing was walking with knees bent um. And I didn't
24:30
Speaker 1: realize this until I read this in the article. But
24:32
Speaker 1: humans lock their knees with each step. We don't walk
24:35
Speaker 1: with our knees bent um. And then also the lastly
24:39
Speaker 1: that the creatures fur is clearly rippling, like the skin
24:44
Speaker 1: beneath his rippling, and like some costume, some ape suit
24:47
Speaker 1: isn't going to do that on its own. Put all
24:50
Speaker 1: this together, and if you're a big foot believer, this
24:54
Speaker 1: is irrefutable evidence that there's such thing as Bigfoot. If
24:57
Speaker 1: you're skeptic, you can shoot a hole in all of
24:59
Speaker 1: the can't you sure? Um? Since this film came out
25:03
Speaker 1: in seven it's been like the most reviewed and made
25:08
Speaker 1: fun of or backed piece of evidence ever for Bigfoot
25:12
Speaker 1: or Sasquatch and um. Roger Patterson, it turns out, was
25:18
Speaker 1: making trying to make a movie about Bigfoot. Yeah, so
25:21
Speaker 1: he wasn't just some guy out there that happened to
25:23
Speaker 1: have a camera. He was trying to put together a film. Um.
25:28
Speaker 1: Since this has come out, there have been various people.
25:32
Speaker 1: One guy came out and said, you know what, I
25:34
Speaker 1: made the suit for him. He paid me a thousand
25:36
Speaker 1: bucks to make him the suit. Well, the guy who
25:39
Speaker 1: supposedly did make the suit is never admitted to. Well,
25:42
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of guys that's not the same guy.
25:44
Speaker 1: There's Chambers, and then there's this other dude. They aren't
25:47
Speaker 1: the same people. That's why it's it's kind of hinky
25:49
Speaker 1: because multiple people have claimed they made the suit. This
25:52
Speaker 1: one guy says that he was the guy in the suit,
25:55
Speaker 1: and Um, but his suit story didn't match up with
25:58
Speaker 1: the guy who claimed he made the suit did match
26:01
Speaker 1: up with his suit story. But then people said, you
26:04
Speaker 1: know what, Patterson could have altered that original suit to
26:06
Speaker 1: match the guy who said he was in the suit.
26:08
Speaker 1: Then there's Chambers, who other people say it made the suit,
26:12
Speaker 1: but he says he didn't make the suit. Well, it's
26:13
Speaker 1: like a long standing Hollywood rumor that actually John Landis,
26:17
Speaker 1: the director of American Werewolf in London. UM came out
26:20
Speaker 1: and and and said, yeah, this is true. Um, when
26:24
Speaker 1: he was a young pup. He was working at one
26:26
Speaker 1: of the studios and he became friends with John Chambers,
26:29
Speaker 1: who did the ape suits for Planet of the Apes,
26:32
Speaker 1: which came out right around that time. Right, Um and uh.
26:37
Speaker 1: He had heard that Chambers had done this, and he'd
26:39
Speaker 1: befriended Chambers and said, yes, it's true. This is John Chambers.
26:41
Speaker 1: And Chambers never has never taken credit for it. It's
26:45
Speaker 1: never come out and said yeah, I did it. But
26:47
Speaker 1: if you ask the average special effects guy or makeup
26:51
Speaker 1: guy these days, if you show them that, they're like, yes,
26:53
Speaker 1: this is ape suit. There's a water bag underneath that's
26:57
Speaker 1: making the skin ripple. Um. And I like that's a guy.
27:01
Speaker 1: That's a man. Right, I'll watched it again today, like
27:04
Speaker 1: five times. Yeah. I mean too, it's really neat. Yeah,
27:07
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. I mean just the detail they
27:09
Speaker 1: went into, like the the crooked legs, the bent knees. Yeah,
27:14
Speaker 1: the shaky cam like it looked like someone scared and
27:17
Speaker 1: discovering something. Yeah, it's it's perfect. If it's a fraud,
27:21
Speaker 1: it is perfect because think about it. The thing was
27:23
Speaker 1: shot in nineteen seven. It's two thirteen and people are
27:26
Speaker 1: still debating whether or not it's authentic. Oh yeah, and
27:29
Speaker 1: it's it's gone through lots of rigorous testing by people
27:32
Speaker 1: that study whether or not the film was tampered, and
27:36
Speaker 1: they have determined that nothing was tampered post shooting, like
27:40
Speaker 1: if it was anything that was a dude in ape
27:41
Speaker 1: suit and they really went out there in the woods
27:43
Speaker 1: and shot it. Uh. But like I said, this is
27:46
Speaker 1: all just kind of fun to me. People get so
27:48
Speaker 1: worked up over this. I don't get it, you know. Yeah,
27:51
Speaker 1: what's the harm unless someone's like defrauding people out of money?
27:56
Speaker 1: You know. Um, there are people who dedicate their rears
28:00
Speaker 1: to this. There's a woman named um Kathy Moscowitz Strain,
28:04
Speaker 1: and she is a forest archaeologist for the U. S
28:06
Speaker 1: Forestry Service who basically became an anthropologist and an archaeologist
28:13
Speaker 1: so that she could hunt for Bigfoot. And she's very
28:16
Speaker 1: respected even among skeptics who counter all of her arguments. Um,
28:21
Speaker 1: but she is very much searching for Bigfoot and has
28:24
Speaker 1: been for many years, and she believes or just wants
28:27
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of it. She believes that
28:29
Speaker 1: there's a Bigfoot, that there's another species out there, some
28:33
Speaker 1: primate species that is what we call sasquatch her bigfoot. Yeah,
28:38
Speaker 1: the arguments against Like, to me, if you can't say
28:41
Speaker 1: something like, well, somebody would have definitely seen it like
28:45
Speaker 1: by now and proven it, Like you just can't say that,
28:47
Speaker 1: like the Pacific Northwest is so vast that an animal
28:52
Speaker 1: could probably hide if there was only a few of
28:54
Speaker 1: them left from people, you know. But on the other hand,
28:58
Speaker 1: you also like can't say it exists because of this
29:03
Speaker 1: these hoaxes and these sounds, and like you need some
29:06
Speaker 1: sort of like scientific evidence. Bones, bones would help. You
29:10
Speaker 1: do need that unless you're just enjoying thinking about it. Yeah. Um.
29:16
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29:18
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29:23
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29:25
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29:29
Speaker 1: but it's related. It's a based on a big foot
29:32
Speaker 1: like creature. Yeah. Yeah, Well, Tom points out to that
29:36
Speaker 1: the reason people want to believe in stuff like this
29:40
Speaker 1: is the same reason some people want to believe in aliens.
29:44
Speaker 1: Um that like the sense of adventure is seemingly lost
29:47
Speaker 1: these days. There's nothing new to discover, and God if
29:51
Speaker 1: we could just discover a big foot, that would be
29:52
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29:56
Speaker 1: That's probably why I want to believe. You know, it
29:58
Speaker 1: would rock the world of science. Oh it totally one.
30:02
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30:06
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