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- 0:00Welcome to the downing arts podcast.
- 0:07It's week two. The weather is grim, but there are signs that spring is on
- 0:11the way. Stay tuned to hear about forthcoming arts activities this week.
- 0:18My guest today is Downing alumnus and guitarist supremo Declan Hickey.
- 0:23Welcome Declan. Good to be here. Thanks, Louisa. Now your name is
- 0:26one that listeners might be very familiar with as I'm constantly publicizing your concerts and
- 0:31so on. As you very kindly keep in touch, can you tell us
- 0:35a little bit about what you've been up to recently? Sure. So for
- 0:39the past couple of years I've been freelancing as a guitarist
- 0:43and doing bits of writing about music for
- 0:47festivals and things like that, and a lot of teaching as well.
- 0:51So. So a kind of mixture of those things.
- 0:55Basically lots of concerts in the lead up to
- 0:59Christmas and some afterwards as well. So a typical kind of
- 1:03portfolio career they call it. Absolutely. So you were
- 1:07with us at Downing 2017 and I remember your
- 1:11last year was kind of derailed a little bit by Covid, but then you went
- 1:15on to the Royal Academy, is that right? That's right, yeah. So 2017 to
- 1:192020 at Downing, the last term of which
- 1:23was to Covid, and then a year
- 1:26in between, and then I did two years at the Royal Academy of Music in
- 1:29London, which was great. And it was a real kind of contrast to
- 1:33the music education you get in Cambridge, which is fantastic.
- 1:37But they the two different environments offer different things and
- 1:40I'm glad to have had both, I think. Did you always want to be a
- 1:44guitarist? Not really, no. It's funny being
- 1:48a guitarist because you don't grow up with the obvious infrastructure there.
- 1:52You don't have the kind of orchestral jobs or the choral
- 1:56singing worlds to fit into. The structures aren't there for you necessarily.
- 2:01So you kind of have to make your own projects and your own work.
- 2:04And so I think the result of that was just that when I was younger
- 2:08I wasn't thinking, oh, I'm going to be a guitarist. I didn't really know what
- 2:11that would look like. And I think as I got a little
- 2:14bit older and learned a little bit more about music and
- 2:19studied music a lot, I began to have kind of projects that I wanted
- 2:23to put on myself and enjoyed the kind of agency you have as a guitarist.
- 2:27And so now I'm really enjoying playing the guitar, teaching the guitar, researching about
- 2:31the history of the guitar, which I do as well, and also lots of different
- 2:35types of guitar. So I play 19th century guitar. I've recently started learning the Renaissance
- 2:39four course guitar that kind of thing. So I'm loving it now. But no,
- 2:43the honest answer is I don't think. I always knew I wanted to be.
- 2:45A guitarist and I know you've done some really interesting projects. I mean,
- 2:49I remember you coming to Downing in, was it November 2024
- 2:53with you, brought some friends and did a kind of genuine as it gets salon
- 2:58concert in the Master's Lodge. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, I mean,
- 3:01I feel very lucky actually to have ended up at
- 3:05Downing College, which is the only early 19th century college, because that is
- 3:09one of the golden ages of the guitar and it goes through perpetual
- 3:14phases of popularity and then fading into obscurity throughout its
- 3:18history. But the early 19th century has come to be called the great vogue for
- 3:22the guitar in Western Europe. And so I got really into that period of guitar
- 3:26history and Downing is the perfect place to put on salon
- 3:31type performances and use early 19th century guitars and other instruments as
- 3:35well and perform that repertoire in a genuine early 19th
- 3:39century salon in the Master's Lodge. So it was a very special evening actually.
- 3:42Yeah, and it was packed out as I recall. It was thanks
- 3:47to your expert advertising and promotion. Thank you very much.
- 3:50But yeah, complete with encouraged audience heckling. I seem to remember
- 3:54there was a. Little bit of that. Yeah, that was quite funny.
- 3:58So what have you been sort of involved in recently? I know your,
- 4:02your monthly newsletter, which is always hilariously written.
- 4:05I always enjoy reading it. And you've been writing about pheasants.
- 4:09Have I misremembered? No, no, you're absolutely right. I mean,
- 4:13there are many layers of allegory and wordplay and I won't
- 4:18regale listeners with all the details of that. If you'd like to be added to
- 4:21the mailing list, you can be very welcome to. But I
- 4:25have recently been doing quite a bit of new music, working with some composer
- 4:29friends. So we. Lovely concert in a tiny
- 4:33village in Shropshire near the Welsh border called Clangunford.
- 4:39It's not exactly where my friends Oren Johnson and
- 4:43Johnty Lefroy Watt are from, but it's pretty near, pretty equidistant from
- 4:47where they both grew up. And it was again, a packed out venue in
- 4:51a small provincial church in the West
- 4:55Midlands and performing a whole program of contemporary
- 5:00music, new music for violin and guitar or violin
- 5:04and two guitar or, sorry, two violins and guitar. And it was a
- 5:08really special occasion actually and it really encouraged me that you can
- 5:11bring new music anywhere and there might well be an audience
- 5:16for it if you sell it in the right way. And Encourage people to
- 5:20get stuck in. So when you say new music, is it in a particular style?
- 5:24Or how do you, with your background and research interests, I mean, how do you
- 5:28wrap that all up together? Is it in a particular style? I mean,
- 5:31I think composition departments now seem to be quite pluralistic.
- 5:36So it's not like every composer comes out of a music conservatoire or
- 5:40a university composing in the same kind of idiom.
- 5:43And generally speaking, the composers I've worked with have been incredibly
- 5:48free thinking. Every piece is a new venture and it
- 5:52doesn't have to be anything like the piece that came before it. And that's
- 5:56really exciting as a performer because you don't know what a composer
- 6:00is going to give you even if you've worked with them before. And I think
- 6:03for me the best thing about working with composers is
- 6:08actually the social aspect to it. I mean, I love history, I love
- 6:11historical research, I love performing music by dead composers.
- 6:15But it is a unique privilege and joy to
- 6:19play music written by people who are not just alive, but friends that
- 6:23you can talk to and work with on the piece at hand. And do you
- 6:27ever compose yourself? I don't really. I arrange lots
- 6:31of music and I am getting a little bit
- 6:36more into historical reconstruction of music that we can
- 6:40be quite sure existed at one point, but we don't have the surviving scores,
- 6:45that kind of thing. But I've not yet taken the plunge and
- 6:49tried to actually write my own music, which is a strange thing really. It's a,
- 6:53it's an historical anomaly that performers these days don't always write their own music.
- 6:57So I think at some point I will give it
- 7:01a go and see what comes out. Maybe no one will
- 7:05ever hear it, but I will give it a go. You say
- 7:09you arrange lots of music and so on. I mean, is there a. I suppose
- 7:13logically there would be a direct correlation between say piano accompaniments and
- 7:17guitar, but I'm sure it's probably not that straightforward.
- 7:21So when you're writing say, you know, two violins, a guitar
- 7:25like you've just mentioned, I mean how, how does the guitar. What's the guitar's role
- 7:28in that? Yeah, it's a good question. Guitarists think
- 7:32a lot about transcription because the canon, the sort
- 7:36of guitar canon that emerged in the 20th century was
- 7:40heavily. A large portion of the guitar
- 7:44canon that emerged in the 20th century was piano transcription,
- 7:48Albanith keyboard works, Scarlatti sonatas,
- 7:52even the so called Bach lute suites. Most of them, in fact
- 7:56all of them were originally keyboard suites basically for the Lautenwerk,
- 8:01which is a kind of sort of harpsichord like instrument. So there was a
- 8:04lot of piano or keyboard transcription going on when the guitar
- 8:09was getting off the ground again in the 20th century. But even in the 19th
- 8:13century, guitarists were arranging things. It's always been, for whatever
- 8:17reason, an instrument where people like to transcribe things. And I.
- 8:21In my experience, it works best when you arrange something for guitar
- 8:25plus something else. It's a. Obviously an instrument I love, but it is
- 8:29and can be a very fiddly instrument. And certain
- 8:34restrictions very readily come up as soon as you
- 8:37put one finger down, for example. That limits the number of possibilities hugely.
- 8:42So it's why, I think people are often put off if they
- 8:46don't play the instrument, because it does lend itself to people who really know
- 8:50the fingerboard quite intimately. And then you can come up with all kinds of creative
- 8:54solutions. But there are limitations, which is why I really enjoy
- 8:58transcribing for, let's say, guitar and violin play
- 9:02a lot with a violinist called Eliza Nagle, who's fantastic. And then you've got the
- 9:06melody taken care of, basically, and then you can use the guitar to
- 9:10flesh out the texture and provide the harmony and that kind of thing.
- 9:13The guitar in larger ensembles is a different beast, really. And then
- 9:18it can be coloristic, it can be melodic as
- 9:22well, of course, so we can do lots of different things. But trying to take
- 9:26a solo keyboard work and transcribe it through the guitar, I think often is
- 9:31the most punishing kind of transcription.
- 9:34And I often come away at the end of it thinking, you know, what was
- 9:38it worth it? Whereas guitar plus something else, or plus two or three other instruments
- 9:42is fantastic, brilliant. And I know you. You sometimes dress up for your performances,
- 9:46sort of period costume type thing. I imagine a fair amount of research must
- 9:50go into that as well. I mean, how easy is it to get hold of
- 9:52these sorts of costumes? Well, I've not found it that easy, actually,
- 9:56but. And I've confessed, I'm not a specialist in
- 10:00Regency dress. I wish I were,
- 10:03but for me, it's actually quite an important part
- 10:07of the musical experience. If you're doing a sort of historical recreation
- 10:12of something because it brings your audience
- 10:15along with you immediately, I think if they see you walk out
- 10:19in costume or they see you in period dress, or even something that sort
- 10:23of approximates period dress, which sometimes we have to put up
- 10:28with, then it immediately transports them somewhere else.
- 10:31And it can actually be quite ghostly, I think, when you start playing
- 10:35music that maybe hasn't even been heard or performed in a couple of hundred
- 10:39years, and I do like to plumb the depths of the niche repertoire
- 10:43for the guitar in that period. If you're playing this music that maybe no
- 10:47one else has played or heard in a couple of hundred years, dressed in
- 10:51the way that they were in a suitable historical environment,
- 10:55like the Downing College Master's Lodge, for example,
- 10:58then there is something really quite magical about that.
- 11:02And so I think why not get stuck in, do the whole hog and
- 11:06dress up for it as well. Brilliant. Well,
- 11:10thank you very much. We're out of time I'm afraid. I'd love to talk to
- 11:13you all day, catch up a bit more, but thank you very much for coming
- 11:16on the show and do let us know if you're or any other performances you're
- 11:19doing and who knows, we may see you in Downing very soon. Thank you for
- 11:23having me. It's been great fun and I hope to be back in Downing very
- 11:32This week in College tonight at 9 o' clock in the chapel,
- 11:35the choir will sing the first choral Compline of the term. Come along for some
- 11:39time out, followed by port and hot chocolate. On Friday 11 till 12
- 11:43in the Wilkins room there's a Qi Gong session in association with the Heng Gallery's
- 11:47current exhibition. See the show notes for more information and to book at
- 11:515pm in the theatre. There's then an exhibition panel discussion on the work currently on
- 11:55show in the gallery. Tickets are free but need to be booked in advance.
- 11:58Again, see the show notes for details. Also on Friday at 9:30pm
- 12:03in the JCR is an open mic night hosted by the Music Society. See the
- 12:07show notes for details on how to participate. Evensong is on Sunday
- 12:10as usual at six in the chapel this week a celebration of the Feast of
- 12:14Candlemas, including music by Philip Moore and Richard Shepherd. On Monday
- 12:186:30 till 7:30pm in the chapel, the chaplain will be giving
- 12:22a talk on what is the Church of England. Refreshments will be served and
- 12:26all are very welcome regardless of belief or background. Also on Monday
- 12:30at 7pm in the JCR there will be an estimating evening hosted
- 12:34by last week's podcast guest Dr. Hamish Symington. It promises to be
- 12:37a lot of fun and there will be free pizza lots going on to brighten
- 12:41up these dark winter days. Thanks for listening.