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Wendy Williams’ producer, Norman Baker, chats with The King · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd is like Wendy your sepo gvo good vibez over.
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  Speaker 2: She's just a ray of sunshine.
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  Speaker 1: Like she came in and when Wendy couldn't do it,
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  Speaker 1: and she and a bunch of other people stepped up
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  Speaker 1: and like saved their jobs and saved our show for
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  Speaker 1: a whole year.
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  Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get into my conversation with Norman Baker right after
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  Speaker 4: these quick ass Welcome to Reality with the King. It's
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  Speaker 4: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one
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  Speaker 4: of the most sought after executive producers in reality television
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  Speaker 4: with over ten years of production experience.
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  Speaker 3: Twice a week on Reality with the.
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  Speaker 4: King, we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry,
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  Speaker 4: recap our favorite reality shows and revisit I forget moments
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  Speaker 4: that we are still talking and tweeting about.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, rain drops.
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  Speaker 4: Some of you all may know this about me, but
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  Speaker 4: as a late night host, I am a huge fan
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  Speaker 4: of talk shows. I grew up as a little gay
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  Speaker 4: boy in Detroit, Michigan, watching Oprah Winfrey the greatest talk
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  Speaker 4: show of all time, Mattel Williams, Sally Jesse, Raphael, Ricky Lake,
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  Speaker 4: Heraldo Jenny Jones. This genre of television means the world
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  Speaker 4: to me, So for me to have a late night show,
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  Speaker 4: it's like super special, especially being the first openly gay
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  Speaker 4: black male to host a late night show. It's just
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  Speaker 4: super special to me, and I thank the Oprah Winfrey
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  Speaker 4: Network for the opportunity. With that being said, the beauty
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  Speaker 4: of my career is because I'm this behind the scenes
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  Speaker 4: producer who now have this duo career.
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  Speaker 3: Being in front of the camera.
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  Speaker 4: And as I watch the Wendy Williams show, I saw
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  Speaker 4: somebody who I felt represented a large community that I
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  Speaker 4: wish was around when I was watching Daytime, and it's
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  Speaker 4: this funny, hilarious, gorgeous gay black man who I think
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  Speaker 4: needs his own show. I'm talking about none other than
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  Speaker 4: Wendy Williams co host Norman Baker.
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  Speaker 3: There are so many.
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  Speaker 4: People, Norman, who love you, who follow your career, who
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  Speaker 4: really want to get into Daytime. You being an openly
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  Speaker 4: gay black man, means the world to this community.
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  Speaker 3: I want to give your flowers now.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I really do believe that you are inspiring the young
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  Speaker 4: black gay men or boys who are watching Wendy Williams
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  Speaker 4: or just watching you, and they're like, wow, I want
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  Speaker 4: to do that.
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  Speaker 3: The same way.
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  Speaker 4: I know I've affected more black people, especially black men,
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  Speaker 4: getting into reality television. I feel like you have that
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  Speaker 4: same inspiration in terms of daytime talk.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's like really surprising because you really just go
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  Speaker 1: about your business just being in the grind.
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  Speaker 2: Every day you wake up at five am.
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  Speaker 1: You just all you want to do is get it done,
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  Speaker 1: so you don't really think about any impact.
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  Speaker 2: I actually, because we.
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  Speaker 1: Throw so much shade every day, I like pretend that
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  Speaker 1: no one's watching. So it's always a shock to me
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  Speaker 1: when I hear that, like anybody heard something I said,
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  Speaker 1: or like memorize some kind of joke I did or something,
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  Speaker 1: So it's I try to pretend like nobody's watching it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's surprising to hear that, Like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: try have to think about that I'm having some kind
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  Speaker 1: of impact on you know, kids coming after me. But
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  Speaker 1: I could totally see that because that's kind of how
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  Speaker 1: I felt about I don't know, like RuPaul and Madonna's dancers,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, you see yourself reflected and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I could grow up to be that one day, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to you know, stay in the shadows.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and with your personality, you don't belong in the shadows, honey,
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  Speaker 4: you belonging from the camera, which is why I'm happy
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  Speaker 4: you're doing it. So tell us how did it happen
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  Speaker 4: in terms of your trajectory in getting to produce one
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  Speaker 4: of the most iconic daytime television talk shows in the world.
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  Speaker 1: I was born in Chicago, and I got off the bus,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the stick and the pillowcase, and and.
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  Speaker 2: I started out as a receptionist.
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  Speaker 1: I just I don't know anybody in the business, so
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  Speaker 1: I kind of just sent out.
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  Speaker 2: I got a Hollywood reporter. In the back of it.
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  Speaker 1: They had like production companies and addresses and fax numbers.
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  Speaker 1: So I just blindly sent my resume to like everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and I ended up getting a job as a receptionist
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  Speaker 1: on the Ananda Lewis Show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember Ananda.
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  Speaker 4: My first inspiration in television was teens, Yeah, watching Ananda Lewis.
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  Speaker 4: So for my listeners, if you don't know this, Ananda
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  Speaker 4: Lewis is this amazing, talented, super smart, gorgeous black woman
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  Speaker 4: who back in the in the nineties had this Saturday
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  Speaker 4: afternoon talk show called teen Summit, and she had a
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  Speaker 4: daytime talk show for one season.
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  Speaker 3: But she is my inspiration.
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  Speaker 2: I love that no.
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  Speaker 1: I was her receptionist and I got to know people,
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  Speaker 1: and one thing left to another.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up at.
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  Speaker 1: VH one and worked at Best Together for years, and
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  Speaker 1: I learned a lot about pop culture. Well I was
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  Speaker 1: always like a pop culture nerd, but I learned about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the business there, and I used some of
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  Speaker 1: that pop culture knowledge to come over to the Windy Show.
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  Speaker 3: How did you get to be on the Windy Show?
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  Speaker 4: Like, what was that transition from being on Best Week
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  Speaker 4: Ever to having this opportunity to be on the Windy
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  Speaker 4: william Show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Ananda, I met a woman named Alexander Jewett who
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  Speaker 1: is short with at My Mercury one of the exacts,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw Alexandra's name in the credits and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, hey, Alexandra in the openings, and she kind
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  Speaker 1: of just brought me on and like threw me into
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  Speaker 1: the hot topics segment and next thing I know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: like laughing and joking with Wendy on the air, which
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  Speaker 1: was amazing.
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  Speaker 4: That is such inspirational story. So do you remember the
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  Speaker 4: first time you met the legend Wendy Williams, And what
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  Speaker 4: was that like?
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  Speaker 1: It was she was like getting her makeup done and
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  Speaker 1: she was I wasn't allowed to see her wigless yet.
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  Speaker 3: You said yet, So you seen Wendy Wilms wiggless.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you know you're in in the ender circle.
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  Speaker 1: That's how she like, you know, lets you in.
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  Speaker 2: Like one day, I had like some late breaking news
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  Speaker 2: that I.
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  Speaker 1: Used to share with her before ten am before we
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  Speaker 1: went live, and I knocked on her door and I
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  Speaker 1: was just gonna shout it through the door because I
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  Speaker 1: knew she was like getting dressed in wigless and She's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: come in, baby, and I was like, yep, I've been
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  Speaker 1: Mama made her.
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  Speaker 3: How does the hair look, Norman? Is it healthy hair?
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  Speaker 3: Because she always talks about his thin Is it healthy?
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  Speaker 1: It's healthy, It's beautiful. I don't know why she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: show it off more. But you know she's a tiva.
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  Speaker 4: You were in the hot top is meeting. This is
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  Speaker 4: before you got to meet her wigless. So what was
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  Speaker 4: that like when you first met her?
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  Speaker 1: So I walked in and she like literally like laughed
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  Speaker 1: at me. I was like, oh my god, you're too
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  Speaker 1: cute to be shady, and I was like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: That's sweet.
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  Speaker 1: I think so my goal was just to just make
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  Speaker 1: her laugh and you know, tap in show her that
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  Speaker 1: I could tap into her brand of humor, which was
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  Speaker 1: like amazing. She is one of the funniest people I've
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  Speaker 1: ever met in my entire life, and I met some
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  Speaker 1: funny people.
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  Speaker 4: What was her title at that time you started your
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  Speaker 4: first day on the Windy Wilm Show.
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  Speaker 1: I was a second producer and then I just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like, now I'm supervising producer.
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  Speaker 2: I say it with the question mark.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I'm like Norman, it's a fact. It's okay,
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  Speaker 3: own it, Honey.
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  Speaker 4: Who made the genius decision to have you appear on
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  Speaker 4: camera as sort of like her sidekick? Because if you
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  Speaker 4: guys are fans of Late Night, like Johnny Carson had
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  Speaker 4: Ed McMahon, David Letterman had Paul, like the iconic hosts
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  Speaker 4: always have like their sidekick who they could banter with.
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  Speaker 4: Who made that iconic decision? Because I'm gonna say this
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  Speaker 4: to you. I was living in New York at the
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  Speaker 4: time when the Wendy Williams like six week sneak peek happened.
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  Speaker 3: And as a producer.
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  Speaker 4: One thing people don't know, Norman, is when you're launching
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  Speaker 4: a show. So for me it's reality shows and for
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  Speaker 4: you it's talk shows. When you're launching anything, the first
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  Speaker 4: few episodes, you're getting.
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  Speaker 3: Your groove going, like it's.
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  Speaker 4: It's sort of like, what is this show, what's the format,
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  Speaker 4: what works, what doesn't work?
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  Speaker 3: And like you said, Wendy's a legend. She's a comedian.
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  Speaker 4: So I've always enjoyed just watching Wendy talk. But when
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  Speaker 4: the first twenty to twenty five minutes of the show
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  Speaker 4: was all about hot topics and then it was you,
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  Speaker 4: so who made that smart decision to have you be
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  Speaker 4: her sidekick to where you two had this banter for
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  Speaker 4: twenty five minutes on the show that.
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  Speaker 1: Actually was all her, Like that came from her. She
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  Speaker 1: just and it organically happened. It wasn't like, well, as
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  Speaker 1: far as I know, there was no decision to be like,
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  Speaker 1: now you're gonna be the co host. It just kind
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  Speaker 1: of organically slowly started to happen more and more. We
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  Speaker 1: just had such good conversations in our briefing, and we
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  Speaker 1: kikeyed so well together that she just kind of started
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  Speaker 1: like throwing me out there more, little by little, more
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  Speaker 1: and more. So it's kind of just it slowly grew.
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  Speaker 1: Like I would say something super shady and a briefing,
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  Speaker 1: not for national television, just being funny backstage, being.
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  Speaker 2: A little cloud, and she would be on live.
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  Speaker 1: Television and she would be like Norman said, she was fat, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then the camera goes to me and I'm like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that was kitchen table talk, not for television. So but
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  Speaker 1: I like took her cue. You know, she threw me
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  Speaker 1: the ball, I grabbed it, and you own it. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, she's beat. That's right, I said it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like I think she appreciated
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't flinch and I just kind of rolled
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  Speaker 1: with it.
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  Speaker 2: So she did it more and more and more.
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  Speaker 4: You and Wendy's relationship reminds me so much of my
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  Speaker 4: relationship with Nini Leaks.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 4: I that And what I always tell people is this,
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  Speaker 4: The importance of a producer is to make sure their
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  Speaker 4: star is the best they can be. We're not responsible
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  Speaker 4: for their success by any stretch of the imagination. I
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  Speaker 4: would never say we're responsible for the success.
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  Speaker 3: That's not true.
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  Speaker 4: But in order for a star are to be the
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  Speaker 4: best she I'm gonna say she because to me, there's
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  Speaker 4: something special when it comes to the relationship between a
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  Speaker 4: gay black man and a black woman in the sense
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  Speaker 4: of when you're their producer and they have this big personality.
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  Speaker 4: So when you look at your decade long career, what
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  Speaker 4: is your most personal favorite moment, well.
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  Speaker 1: A personal triumph, and it's once again rooted in shade.
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  Speaker 1: We happen to be talking about Future and we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about him having another child, and we were like, so,
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  Speaker 1: who are the women, like, who are the mothers of
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  Speaker 1: his children? And we just started like talking about it
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  Speaker 1: more and more like no, that's not no, it's not
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  Speaker 1: that lady. Who is this And so we just decided,
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  Speaker 1: let's like put up a chart of like all of
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  Speaker 1: Future's babies mamas and the's mama's mamas. And it was
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  Speaker 1: like so much fun. You would think we were like
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  Speaker 1: working for the Washington Post, like we were like Woodward
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  Speaker 1: and Bernstein, like We're like, nope, nope, it's a.
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  Speaker 2: No's Hollywood, Miami. It's no, it's this lady. It's okay.
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  Speaker 2: We know Sierra's number four or is she number five?
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  Speaker 2: We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're like trying to find pictures to match
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  Speaker 1: these women and then like explaining that to Wendy like
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  Speaker 1: she once.
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  Speaker 2: We had to finished product.
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  Speaker 1: Like she was like a kid on Christmas morning, Like
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  Speaker 1: she was like, I can't wait to get out there.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to do this. She's like, get me
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  Speaker 1: a pointer I want to have You're gonna go to school.
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  Speaker 1: It was like so rewarding because what you work so
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  Speaker 1: hard for you bring it to her and then she
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  Speaker 1: gets so excited and then she just takes it to
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  Speaker 1: another level. So I feel like that was one of
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  Speaker 1: my one of my proudest moments.
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  Speaker 2: Give me my Emmy. He came up with the future
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  Speaker 2: baby Mama chart.
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  Speaker 4: Or in the word of Wody Williams and Joscelyn, here's
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  Speaker 4: your flower.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that moment Jocelyne got us.
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  Speaker 4: Did you know she was coming in hot or did
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  Speaker 4: she pretend she was gonna be nice?
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  Speaker 1: She pretended she was gonna be nice, and she came
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  Speaker 1: and high she got us and it was live and
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  Speaker 1: we were like, what are we gonna do? Like did
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  Speaker 1: we pull it? And I think Wendy even herself said
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  Speaker 1: on air, like can we just pull the plug.
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  Speaker 2: Like how long is this going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: But that sucks for Jocelyne because like we are were
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  Speaker 1: her biggest champions, Like she was like vilified on the internet,
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  Speaker 1: and Wendy said nothing but nice things that we were
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  Speaker 1: nothing but nice to her. So I really don't understand
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  Speaker 1: why that happened. And she shot herself in the foot
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  Speaker 1: because she was never allowed back on you know, like
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  Speaker 1: we were her biggest champions, and it's not like she's
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  Speaker 1: going to be invited to be on the View or
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Ray, like this is your only daytime talk show outlet,
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  Speaker 1: and she like ruined the one show that would One.
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  Speaker 4: Thing I want to talk to you about is obviously
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  Speaker 4: the Wendy Wilms Show has come to an end.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 4: And the one thing I always said about Wendy Williams
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  Speaker 4: is she invited people on her show that would not
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  Speaker 4: get pressed otherwise. And a lot of those people are
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  Speaker 4: black people, people of color, reality stars, singers like Wendy
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  Speaker 4: has given a platform to that show. I remember talking
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  Speaker 4: to Kenya Moore. This is a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 4: and at one point Wendy wasn't discussing Atlanta Housewives a
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  Speaker 4: lot like she would have done every Monday morning.
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  Speaker 3: There was like a dry spell. I remember that the
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  Speaker 3: ratings were going down for Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: This is years ago, and Kenya was saying to me,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's because Wendy is no longer talking about
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  Speaker 4: Atlanta Housewives, and that's hurting us.
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  Speaker 3: And in that moment, I.
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  Speaker 4: Realized that the power of her boys means a lot
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  Speaker 4: to people, and it means a lot to the culture,
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  Speaker 4: and it means a lot to audiences. So we don't
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to have that anymore in terms of
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  Speaker 4: this legend and icon who truly cement to herself in
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  Speaker 4: pop culture, but truly Black culture. So how did you
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  Speaker 4: feel when you learned that the show was coming to
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  Speaker 4: an end? Knowing that, I felt like you and Wendy,
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  Speaker 4: like me and Niani were like the closest of the clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm still kind of in the grieving process.
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  Speaker 1: I luckily have like a couple months off to recharge
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  Speaker 1: and resenter for Sherry Shepherd. But yeah, it's it's sad
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  Speaker 1: for the it's sad for the culture. It's sad for
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  Speaker 1: my relationship with her. You know, like we're good, we're good.
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  Speaker 1: We just kind of we had a working relationship, and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so I don't really speak to her as much.
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  Speaker 1: There were points when I we talked all day every day,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so, but you know, she's like she's not
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  Speaker 1: doing well, so we don't really speak as much.
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  Speaker 3: When was the last time you spoken to Wendy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's been a while. It's been like before this
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  Speaker 2: season started.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, Like if she called me right now, we pick
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  Speaker 1: up like nothing ever happened, you know, So I don't
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  Speaker 1: take it personally. Obviously, she's you know, not in the
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  Speaker 1: best of health. That's just it is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: So actually that's pretty that's like the saddest part about it,
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  Speaker 1: as that you know her health is and she's not
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  Speaker 1: in the best fighting form, you know, because she's the goat.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, like you can give hurt
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  Speaker 1: one name, you know, you can just say Kenymore and
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  Speaker 1: she could talk for twenty minutes about Kenymore unprompted, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So that's actually the really the sad part and the
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  Speaker 1: part I'm still kind of a grieving How.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel when people say they hate it the
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  Speaker 4: way the producers and obviously your producer, they'll group you
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  Speaker 4: into that too.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people hated the way the show.
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  Speaker 4: Ended and they felt like she did not get the
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  Speaker 4: tribute she deserved. Did you guys reach out to her
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  Speaker 4: to do a video or to do anything to sort
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  Speaker 4: of like honor her.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, that's above me. It's above me.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't know what the process was or I
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  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it, but honestly, but there were
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  Speaker 1: internal talks about, like you know, between us, like what
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  Speaker 1: are we going to do?
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  Speaker 2: How are we going to do it?
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  Speaker 1: But those are decisions that are made above us, so
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  Speaker 1: we really didn't know until we got like our marching order.
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  Speaker 2: It's like okay, so we're going to do this at
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  Speaker 2: the end, and we're gonna do this.
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  Speaker 1: So I wasn't really involved in those talks, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't really know exactly how that happened, but I felt
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  Speaker 1: like what we did was from the heart and it
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  Speaker 1: was like good and it was, you know, what we
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: were supposed to do.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: So I mean, there was there's actually no way to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: end that show, like.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: There's no actual really sufficient way to and capsualize what
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: we feel in our hearts for her anyway, So I
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: felt like it was we were good and I got
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the last word of the series, so it was good.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: So it feels special. I feel like I was part
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of something great.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: So no matter what I do, and for the rest
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: of my career, I know I was like part of
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: something great for like twelve years and I got the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: last word on it, so it was good.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: If Wendy is listening now, which I think Wendy does
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: listen to Reality with the King, Hey, Wendy girl. But
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: if Wendy is listening now, what would you like to
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: say to her?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: How you doing? So you know she knows I love her,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: she knows. There's not much to say.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: We were just I would say, did you see Real
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: House Sights of Atlanta last week?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And just pick up where we left off.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: I love that. I love that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I will say this so obviously my last
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: question about Wendy is she announced recently huh that she's.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Coming out with the podcast uh huh, so we're able
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: to hear her voice hopefully. How do you feel about that?
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: And can you please be the first guest.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: If that happens? Oh my god, I would be so
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: angry if I wasn't the first guest. I mean pissed.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Whether she invites me or not.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I'm showing up to like the serious Exim studios or
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: wherever she is.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Norman. We'll
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: be right back after this quick break. This is Reality
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: with the King and I'm Carlinos King. Let's get back
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: into my conversation of Norman. You're now the supervising producer
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: of the Sherry Shepherd Show, which is going to premiere
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: September twelfth.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Uh huh on.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: All of the Fox stations that had the Windy Wilm Show.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: So what can you tell us, Norman about this brand
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: new talk show that you're now going to be a
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: part of.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd is like Wendy Jo Sepho Gvo, good vibe
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: es over.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: She's just a ray of sunshine.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Like she came in and when Wendy couldn't do it,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and she and a bunch of other people stepped up
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and like saved our jobs and saved our show for
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a whole year and kept us going.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And Sherry was just like a natural fit. Like it
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: was just she.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Got our show, We got her, and we were like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: let's do it. But it's gonna be fun. It's gonna
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, pop cultury and you know Light
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: and Cherry is hilarious, So I think we'll just get
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: more funny Sherry.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: You know, for the people out there listening, some are
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: obviously reality fans, talk show fans, but also people in
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: the industry.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: So let those.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Who aren't in the industry know what is your role
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: as a supervising producer when it comes to a talk show.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So right now, I'll be at Wendy.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I was responsible for the you know, coming up with
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the whole first twenty minutes, and people I would take
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: those pitches. People would pitch me stories, and it kind
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of went to me to be like, Okay, we're going
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to do this and that and this and the order
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in which we do it, and take that to the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: talent and inform them and also give them funny things
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to say if they haven't already thought of it themselves.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But Sherry Shepherd Show, it's sort of still being worked out.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: What's happening. I still I am going to have the same role.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I'm in charge of the act one, so I'll be
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: in charge of the first act.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Can we see you on the Sherry Shepherd Show.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: That is TVD I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I'm happy to have have you on because you are
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: also a huge fan of reality television, and I want
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: to dedicate this portion to what's been happening on the
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills this season.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hell's Oh my goodness, so good. Garcel is running
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the show, right, it's the Garcela.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Right, No, so Norman, I tweeted, because Kyle Richards is
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the uncredited executive producer of the Real Housepots of Beverly Hills,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and she has been for many, many, many seasons. However,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: dot Org Garcel Bouvet is coming.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: For Kyle Richards's title.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: So I told my fans that this season, I'm giving
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Garsel the coke EP credit.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Right, So, Kyle is still EP.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Garcel this season is the COEP, and I think she
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: may get promoted to EP next season depending on what happens.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: But she is running the show.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: She is starting the conversations, and she's putting people on notice.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: So as two producers, one in reality one in talk,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: you can see.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: That too, right, absolutely, like she stirs the pot in
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a way that's not as transparent as like say Kenya
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Moore would do you know what I mean? Like she
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: stirs the pot and you can see it. Same with
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: like Jaselle Bryant, like I see your stertin pot.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: This is the reason why you listeners, who I love
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: and thank you for subscribing. Is good to have two
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: producers from two different genres on the show because I
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: tell people all the time, Giselle Bryant is the uncredited
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: executive producer Potomac and they read me for a film
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: like no, she ain't, but Norman, she is.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: She one thousand percent is you see it? It makes
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the episode like her stirring the pot. So you know
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that's I think what That's what Garcella is doing.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: She's the show.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: No, she's fantastic, Kyle's great.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Sutton is chef's kiss. Suddon is amazing.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Suddon is like crazy a little bit, She's slightly funny.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: She gives us fashions backwards tuxedos.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And now I tell people all.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: The time, Suting is your quintessential Southern white woman who
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: comes from a certain class of wealth and access, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: she behaves. She's not a Karen. So, by no stretch,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: is she a Karen. She's not a Karen, but she
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: holds herself in this high regard that speaks wealth and class.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And when she reads you, it's sort of like.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: How I imagine Nancy Reagan reading the girls at the White.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: House great or Harbor Bush. Do you know what I mean?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: It's very no child is left behind, but I'm going
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: to read you for your ad. You know what I'm saying.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. She's a very she's the white favorite.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: So the episode that I want to talk about is
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: when Sutton and Diana were going at it and you
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: have the EP Kyle step in, you have the co
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: ep Garcelle step in to ignite the flames, and I
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: thought Diana was hilarious. I was like, finally you're giving
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: us something, because before that, I'm like, you're boring. So
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: it was interesting that Diana was coming for Sutton, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I personally thought sudden held her own.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: She was funny, she checked that ass.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: She was great.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Diana actually didn't do herself any favors in that episode,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Like she she.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Didn't make any sense. Her arguments weren't coherent.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's because English isn't her first language, but yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: she just didn't make any sense. And she also says
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't know what a black content creator is,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: but whatever.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, it must be tough being a black content creator.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: But my thing is this, uh huh, let's say for
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: argument's sake, right, you really thought like, oh, I'm in dark.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Why are you equating any negativity with the word black?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Exactly, Like what is it about the word black that
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: makes you feel like it's shade?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: That's the part that I don't get, because we ain't
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: talking about black Friday, we ain't talking about the black market, which,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: by the way, all of those are problematic and we
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: need to figure out how to eradicate those problematic words.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: But I digress AnyWho.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Most recently, she did this Aliah for a page letter
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: to Garcel about what she does for Haiti and for
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: black charities.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Is not a Karen.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: I feel like Diana gives me caring botes in the
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: sense of she's very much like, oh, I'm not racist,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I have black friends. Oh I'm not racist, I have
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: black charity. Sun gave you all this energy and you
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: had nothing for her after the episode on your Bravo blog.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: She just seems to be out of her depth on
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think Diana's giving us much, and we didn't
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: need Diana to begin with.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: We had like an amazing cast last season.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: It was just perfect, one of the all time greatest
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: casts last season.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Overall, what are you giving this season of Beverly Hills
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Versus Atlanta? Because what I said to my Twitter fans
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: and on this podcast is the Housewives of Atlanta fans
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: are the beehive and the real Housewives of Billy Hills
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: fans are the Navy. Rihanna's navy, and they attack each other.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: So who's having the best season so far?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: In your opinion, it's.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is winning right now. However, Atlanta's close to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: my heart. Atlanta is the one that I love the most.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Atlanta's my favorite. However, this season of Beverly Hills, they're
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: on fire. However, I do love what we're doing over
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And you can tell it's like a rebuilding season.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: You can tell that, like we keep these ladies, you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: built some stories and the next season it'll be on fire.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Not to say this season isn't great, but you know
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: they need to rebuild a little bit. But I do
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: love we have some good starts with Charay coming back
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and Tyrone not coming back.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: And uh and uh she by Charae, which the producer
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: and me saw that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I have mats and I have like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: merch or whatever. So obviously there's like, where can I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: buy this? So let me go to Shee by Charaine
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: dot Com and I did get a four or four
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: not found. But I love your chara but it just
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: made me angry that she's been pushing she by SRA
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: for what thirty years and you still don't have the product,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: especially if you put it on television by the time
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it airs, you want everybody to go buy it, which
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: people like me, I would one thousand percent buy a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: she Byceae Yoga Matt, But you just think she would
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: have the product ready by the time it is.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm gonna say this as a reality TV
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: producer who used to work for Bravo Real Hospitals at Atlanta,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: what they don't like to do is give away what's
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: going to happen. So in Charae's defense, I think she's
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: not able to have it available because you want to
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: see whether or.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Not she was able to pull off the items. So
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'll say.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: This, you and I will revisit this, okay, and after
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the season finale, uh huh when we go on she
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: by Charade dot com.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And if there is a four O four.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Not foul, that's the shadiest shit I've ever heard in
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: my life. So if it's still that way that I
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: will apologize to you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But I think that's what's going to happen.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I think then we'll give her the benefit of that doubt.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: We will sure.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, Norman, I cannot thank you enough for doing this.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I really had so much fun with you.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. This is fun.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: So to all of my listeners where they can find you,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: follow you and what to expect from you, and you.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Can follow me at at Norman Baker TV on Instagram
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and starting September twelfth, they'll be working at the Sherry
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Shepherd chef every day and that's what you can expect, raindrops.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I can literally talk to Norman all day long. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: feel like can I were separated at first. That's how
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: much Hen and I have in comment And I hope
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: you guys also understood the reference in terms of the
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: producer and the diva, right, So When you think about
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: my career and the women I work with, and you
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: think about Norman and women's relationship, it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Goes to show you that a producer is.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: So integral into the success of the show. Yes, but
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: also to the star of the show and what Norman
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: has brought out of as relates to the comfortability she
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: felt sitting in that purple chair, giving all of us
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: her thoughts and having someone like Norman to banter off
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: of it's just I.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Mean, guys, it's just genius.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Not only that as an openly gay black man, I'm
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: so proud of Norman, and he's so humble, he's so sweet,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: and I really hope Norman knows the legacy he's leaving
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: because it is my fundamental belief that little gay black
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: boys are sitting at home watching Norman and aspiring to
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: be him.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And the fact that we were able to have this dialogue.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I really hope that the flowers I gave him sprouts
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: to be bigger than his imagination can handle. Want thoughts
• 30:51
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• 31:00
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• 31:09
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