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The JonBenét Ramsey Case: I Think I Know What Happened Through Forensic Astrology · The Star Witness

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: The Star Witness discusses real cases using publicly available information and astrological interpretation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Any theories discussed are presented as theories and personal interpretations only.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nothing in this podcast is intended to accuse, implicate, or suggest that any person committed a crime or was responsible for the events discussed unless that information has been established by official records or legal proceedings.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think I know what happened to John Bene Ramsey.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: I have this astrology-backed theory about her murder that I haven't seen anyone else talk about.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's a theory that explains why this case has remained unsolved for almost 30 years.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: And why do so many people think her parents are involved?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: And why are other people convinced it was her brother?
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: And why, after all these years, have none of these pieces fit together?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: But what if the reason nobody has been able to solve this case is because everyone has been looking at the wrong places?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: In this episode of The Star Witness, I'm going back to December 26, 1996, at 5 52 AM when Patsy Ramsay called 911 to report that her daughter has been kidnapped.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna ask the stars a question that has haunted the world for almost 30 years.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: What really happened to John Bonet Ramsay?
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_02: Every moment has a chart, every chart has a story.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Macy Murdoch, and this is the Star Witness.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm recording this episode on November 2nd, 2026, and we are quickly approaching the 30th anniversary of John Benet Ramsey's murder.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when this case first broke, right after Christmas in 1996.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: It was the kind of story that immediately captured the whole country's attention.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: By January of 1997, it felt like John Binet was on the cover of every magazine at the grocery store.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: People magazine ran the headline, Murder of a Little Beauty.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Newsweek went with The Strange World of John Binet Ramsay.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: And there she was, this beautiful little girl wearing elaborate dresses with full makeup, her hairstyles were enormous with crowns on her head.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: I remember seeing those pictures when I was just a young girl myself, and there was something about them that just gave me the chills.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Even without knowing what happened to her, I found the pictures unsettling.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: She was only six years old, but she was dressed and made up to look much older.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: And apparently I wasn't the only one that felt that way because the media became absolutely obsessed with John Binet's beauty page career.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: And as the weeks passed without an arrest, the headlines began to change.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: By March 24, 1997, People magazine was asking, What's taking so long?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: And that was the question that was on everyone's mind.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: How could a child be killed in her own home with her family there and nobody knew who did it?
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: And the tabloids were absolutely wild.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: On March 25th, 1997, the National Enquirer ran the headline, Mom wrote Ransom Notes.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: And now the magazines were pointing fingers directly at her own mother.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: And here's a little spoiler for you.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: I actually do believe, based on the astrology, that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note, but not for the reasons that most people think.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll get to that.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: Then came allegations about sexual abuse, claims about the family, supposed secrets, and there were and still are lots of theories out there that John Binet's nine-year-old brother Burke was involved.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: And now here we are, 30 years later, and people are still talking about the case.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, Netflix is releasing a brand new scripted series called The Murder of John Binet Ramsay.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's coming out on December 10th, 2026, just 16 days before the 30th year anniversary of her death.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Melissa McCarthy is playing Patsy Ramsay and Clive Owen is playing John Ramsay.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: So 30 years later, we're still making television shows about this case.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we're not making it, Netflix is making it, but I digress.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: We're still examining the same evidence and debating the same suspects and asking the same questions.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: And looking at the astrology, there's a story going on that helps explain why.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: So to understand my theory, we're going to go back to the morning of December 26, 1996.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: First, let's quickly go over the known facts just to remind everyone, or should I say claims, about what happened that night and morning.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to run through them really quickly as a reminder before we go into the night of what actually happened, in my opinion.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go back to Christmas Day, 1996 in Boulder, Colorado.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: John and Patsy Ramsey lived in a large, beautiful home with their two children, nine-year-old Burke and six-year-old John Binet.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: John was a successful businessman and the family was really wealthy.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_02: Patsy was a former beauty queen, and John Binet had already followed in her mother's footsteps, competing in children's beauty pageants.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: On Christmas morning, things were normal, and later that evening, the family attended a Christmas dinner party at the home of their friends Fleet and Priscilla White, and everything was supposedly normal.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: They came home around 9 30 that evening and everyone went to bed.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: The following morning, the family was supposed to leave for Michigan, where they planned to spend time with John's older children.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_02: At approximately 5 30 AM, Patsy woke up and began getting ready for the trip.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: When she was heading downstairs, she noticed something on the back staircase.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: There were three pages of handwritten paper sitting on the stairs.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Patsy picked up the papers and discovered it was a ransom note.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: The note claimed that John Bonet had been kidnapped by a group calling itself a small foreign faction, and warned the family not to contact the police, do not involve the FBI, and don't even tell anyone about this kidnapping.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: If the family cooperates, John Bonet would be fined.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_02: The kidnappers were demanding a really weird amount of money in exchange for her safe return.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: They asked for$118,000.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's a very specific number for ransom demand, especially when you're supposedly kidnapping the daughter of a multimillionaire.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: And$118,000 was exactly the amount of a bonus that John Ramsey received from his company.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: It was really specific, and at the same time, considering it was a ransom note, it was kind of maternal, like it kept warning everyone to be careful or be safe, which is really weird for a ransom note.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also, this ransom note was written on paper from a notebook that actually belonged to Patsy.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: The pen used to write it was also traced back to the Ramsay home.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: So whoever wrote the note didn't show up with it.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: They allegedly got to the house and spent the time to write a three-page long note and worrying about the safety of them while they were going to deliver the money.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: So that was really weird.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_02: And the note said not to call 911, but Patsy called 911, and she made that call at 5 52 AM.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's the exact moment that we're going to be examining astrologically.
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  SPEAKER_02: Patsy was frantic and she told the dispatcher that her daughter was kidnapped and that there was a note.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: The first police officer arrived just before 6 o'clock that morning.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: The police searched the house and the police searched the house and allegedly parts of the basement, but they did not find John Binet.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Also, despite the ransom note asking them not to tell anyone or contact anyone, John and Patsy contacted friends and people who were coming over to the house to support them.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: And let's talk about Burke for a second.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was only nine years old at the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: According to the family's account, he had been upstairs sleeping this whole time.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: He was eventually awakened and taken to stay with family friends while the adults deal with this emergency.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Let's return to this ransom note.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: The writer indicated that the family would receive a phone call with further instructions between eight and ten that morning.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: The Ramseys waited, they got all that money together, the police were investigating, friends were there, but no phone call ever came.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: No one called to arrange an exchange.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: No one provided a location where the money should be delivered.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing, and hours went by.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: Then at approximately one o'clock that afternoon, one of the detectives who was there asked John and a family friend to search the house again and look for anything unusual.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: John went down to the basement.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: The Ramsey's house wasn't some tiny little bugalow.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was this large home with multiple floors and several rooms in the basement.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: There was an unfinished storage room that sometimes was referred to as the wine cellar.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where John opened the door to that room, and that's where John Bonet's body was.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: John picked her up and brought her upstairs.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: And the kidnapping investigation turned into a homicide investigation.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, that crime scene has been compromised.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: People have been moving through it for hours.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to go into the details of John Benet's autopsy because it's really, really painful to read and to even talk about.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: But what I am going to say about it is just the basics.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: One, there was a very serious head injury.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: There was another major injury of strangulation, and there were also signs of SA.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: Then the media frenzy began.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think we covered enough of the known facts, so I want to turn my attention to what the astrology is telling me.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to walk you through the observations that led me to my theory about what really happened to John Binet.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am starting by drawing a crime chart for December 26, 1996, at 5.52 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_02: in Boulder, Colorado.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the time that Patsy called the police.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the only real reliable timestamp in this case.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: We do have other timestamps, like when the Ramsey said they got home at 9.30, or even at 5 45 a.m.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: when Patsy said she discovered the note.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: But because the parents are unfortunately suspicious in this case, the only thing reliable is the phone record when 911 is called.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm opening this chart and it has a Sagittarius rising, a Capricorn sun in the first house, and a Cancer Moon in the eighth house.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: For those of you listening to this show on YouTube, I'm gonna have the charts up on there for you to follow along, but it's not necessary.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: So normally we would look at the Sagittarius rising as a description of John Binet and the ruling planet of Jupiter to ask what really happened to John Binet.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because for those of you who are familiar with forensic astrology, you will know that the first house almost always represents the victim.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: We look at the sign of the house, which is the rising sign, the planets of the first house, and the position of the chart ruler, and that's gonna tell us what the victim was actually experiencing during the crime and not what the media told us, or the suspects, what they told us.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: But in this particular case, this is gonna be an exception to all those rules, and I'm gonna explain why.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: For full disclosure, I watched a bunch of videos on YouTube of astrologers going through this crime chart and watched them look for clues and heard their thoughts.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: I do feel like a lot of the astralagers on this video were reading the charts correctly for the most part, but I haven't seen any of the videos reach a solid conclusion.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because for one, there's a lot going on in that chart that's really confusing.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: But also, I think what a lot of people were missing in analyzing the charts was that they were so focused on the role that the first house represents the victim.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: And this is one of those cases that's an exception of having the first house represent the victim.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because John Binet was only six years old.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: When that happens, the victim is not going to be represented by the planet that represents the whole chart, but it's going to be the planet that rules the fifth house of the chart.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: In criminal astrology, when the victim is age six or younger, they are represented by the fifth house.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: So in this particular crime chart, the fifth house isn't Taurus.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Taurus is ruled by Venus.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: So in this chart, Venus is going to be the planet that's going to describe John Binet Ramsay.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it checks out when I look at this crime chart because I'm seeing Venus and Sagittarius in the 12th house of the crime chart, and it's also conjunct Pluto.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: So what that's saying is at the time of the 911 call, John Binet was isolated or hidden.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: And Venus is also conjunct Pluto in Sagittarius, which is representing all of the high danger she went through that was controlling, and in Sagittarius, it was danger based on the perpetrator's beliefs.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I verified that John Bonet would be represented by Venus in this chart, and not Jupiter, which rules the Sagittarius rising.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: So who would I make the Sagittarius rising and who would Jupiter represent?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm gonna get into next.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: According to the traditional rules of criminal astrology, when the victim is a young child, the first house would represent the parents rather than the child itself.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: So normally we would assign the first house to John and Patsy Ramsey, but this would be another exception for the rule in this particular case.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because a lot of people are suspecting the parents themselves.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I honestly didn't know for quite a while who should be represented by the Sagittarius Rising and its ruler Jupiter.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's important for me to be as accurate as possible when reading the charts.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: Also at the same time, I don't think that we can use the same planet and sign to describe the parents as a team because of the completely different behaviors that the parents had that morning.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't seem to be aligned at all.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: Patsy was the distraught one, understandably, crying and being comforted by friends.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, John was appearing much more controlled, talking to the police and trying to handle the situation.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: The couple allegedly barely looked at each other or spoke with each other in the house that morning when all the people were there.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: I recognize that people respond to traumatic situations differently, but I can't really make one planet represent both of them.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_02: In this case, Jen and Patsy are gonna have two separate planets assigned to them.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: What does this Sagittarius rising, Sagittarius first house, and its ruler Jupiter represent?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think I have it figured out.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Sagittarius rising is the entity behind this case itself, and it fits like a glove.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: The size of this case is huge, and in true Sagittarius style, everyone has their own theories and everyone wants the truth.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_02: When I assign the Sagittarius Rising as the Egregore of the case, suddenly everything on this chart makes sense and falls into place.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever heard of the term egregore?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's a term that's not used nearly enough, even though it's something that affects literally every person, place, and thing every day.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: An egregore is a spiritual entity that's formed through collective thoughts, emotions, and beliefs of a large group of people.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: The more attention it receives, the stronger it becomes.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: And the stronger it becomes, the more attached people get to it, and the more they make it part of their own energy.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Celebrities and politicians, they know about this egregore and they know how to make any attention, even bad attention, increase the power of the spiritual entity.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: When a celebrity or politician rises to power, it's because the spirit of them that they created through their public persona has risen and people have become attached to it.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Every major sports team has their own egregore as well.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: The spirit of the team creates something so strong itself that fans of these teams inherit part of the entity within them, and that's why they get so connected to the teams and why they cheer and scream for them and why they make the spirit of the team part of their personality.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: Every time a fan of the team wears a jersey out in public, anyone who is giving that jersey attention is also feeding the agregore.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Even the Kardashians have an agregore, and I can guarantee you that they know how to use it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: When it comes to the John Binet case, it developed already a very strong aggregor.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Think about it.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Thirty years of headlines, accusations, documentaries, conspiracy theories, and millions of people obsessing over the same unsolved murder.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean think about it.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: This case brought about 30 years of headlines of accusations and conspiracy theories, then all of the documentaries and YouTube videos created about it.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's millions of people obsessing over the same Unsolved murder, which has caused the Egregore to rise, and it brings certain feelings and sensations within people who look into this case and read about this case.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Today, when people research the John Binet case, they could feel the egregore itself.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: The egregor is gonna bring about the vibrations and feelings of the dark side of Christmas.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: Beauty pageants, murder, mystery, pineapple, makeup, lies, cover-ups.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very, very big entity.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: And that entity, and once I set the Sagittarius rising and its ruling planet of Jupiter to the egregore behind the case, things started coming together for me.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: The rest of the family has the traditional astrology planets assigned to them, along with Venus, the ruler of the fifth house, as John Bene.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Mercury represents Burke, her brother.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the particular image for that degree is a groundhog looking for its shadow, kind of like the symbolism behind Groundhog's Day, but it's Sagittarius.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: Since this chart is rising at Sagittarius 14 degrees, that explains why this case has kept people going in circles for the past 30 years.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Think about this.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Every February, people gather around a groundhog, waiting for it to emerge from its burrow and somehow predict the future by looking for its own shadow.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's an ordinary animal that people have collectively devoted some extraordinary ability to reveal the truth.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sound familiar?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Every December, people return to the John Bene Ramsey case, examining the ransom note in the photographs, hoping that this will be the time that they'll figure it out.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost like that movie Groundhog Day, where reliving the same mystery over and over, hoping for a different ending.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: But the shadow is the most revealing part of the image, because the groundhog doesn't decide what the shadow means, it's the people watching the groundhog that does.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Two people can look at the exact same piece of evidence and see completely different things.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's look at the planet Jupiter, because Jupiter rules Sagittarius, which makes Jupiter the planet ruling this entire case.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Jupiter expands everything it touches.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_02: It makes things bigger and louder.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well check.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Thirty years later we're still talking about this murder.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: But Jupiter is in Capricorn in the second house.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: And honestly, Jupiter is not really that happy in Capricorn.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, it's considered to be in its fall.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: The second house rules our possessions, financial security, and sense of self-worth.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Capricorn energy is concerned with maintaining the appearance of having everything under control.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: So what happens when the planet ruling this enormous public mystery is sitting in a sign obsessed with protecting its reputation in a house that represents everything we believe gives us value.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, to me this raises a much bigger question.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: What did this family stand to lose if the truth came out?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: It would be their reputation and their standing in society.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: It would also be their carefully maintained image, maybe even all the money that they had.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps even their understanding of who they were as a family.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: The central theme that I'm seeing here goes beyond the loss of a child.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's a fear of what the truth about the loss might reveal about them.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: There's more to Jupiter's story, and it makes this whole thing more revealing.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: We just explored what Jupiter's placement in Capricorn in the second house tells us about the central themes of the case, but Jupiter is not acting alone.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually sitting in between two other planets, Mercury and Neptune.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Forming a conjunction with both, and this whole little cluster is opposing the moon.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: And these connections are gonna add a whole nother layer to the story.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: So let's take a closer look on what this will reveal.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: First, let's examine Jupiter's conjunction with Neptune.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: The chart ruler is connected to the planet that makes distortions and illusions, meaning that the known facts of the case have been concealed and distorted.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Neptune is the planet of illusion, deception, and distorted realities.
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  SPEAKER_02: In Capricorn, that distortion involves reputation and authority.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: The facts of this case have been distorted in order to maintain the appearance of a respectable, successful family.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Neptune is at 27 degrees Capricorn, which is a Gemini or a writing degree.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Gemini also rules siblings and neighbors.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm looking at this concealment involving written information possibly connected to a sibling or a neighbor.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: And what was one of the most significant pieces of written evidence in this entire case?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: The ransom note.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: The extraordinary long three-page ransom note.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Jupiter is also conjunct Mercury, which is the planet of information and communication, and siblings.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: But Mercury has a much more significant role in this particular crime chart.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: So Mercury rules Gemini, which happens to be the sign on the seventh house cusp.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, in forensic astrology, the seventh house almost always represents the perpetrator of the crime.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Now Gemini is a sign of twins, and according to the forensic astrology textbooks and methods I use, having Gemini on the descendant frequently indicates that two people are involved in the crime.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: But these two individuals don't necessarily have to share the same motivation or even play the same role in the crime.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Gemini represents duality, so what I'm seeing here is the possibility of two different people contributing to what happened to John Binet, but for perhaps two entirely different reasons.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: And there's also another detail worth mentioning.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: In forensic astrology, Gemini usually points to one of the two people as younger, particularly someone who hasn't reached their first Saturn return, which typically happens in your late 20s or 30.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: So what I'm seeing here is the possibility of two killers, maybe with two different motivations, and one of them in the ages of 20s or younger.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm not going to interpret this as a gang killing because that's way more consistent with Aquarius and the descendant.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: With Gemini, I'm just looking for two possibilities.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: So either two people contributed to John Binet's death, or one person committed the act while another person witnessed it.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: But there's another detail I want you to remember.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: This detail is gonna address the elephant in the room here.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: When I assigned planets traditionally to the individual members of the Ramsey family, Mercury represented Burke.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Now that's the same Mercury that's ruling the seventh house of the perpetrator.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: That connection between Mercury, Burke, and the seventh house of the perpetrator is something I want to examine much more closely.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: This cluster of planets that I told you about, Jupiter in between, Neptune and Mercury, is telling us that everything we know about this case is distorted, even to the killers themselves.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think that Burke was lied to.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is where my astrological theory begins looking at Burke.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's possible that he was involved in a sibling confrontation that resulted in John Bonet's head injury without ever intending for her to be seriously hurt.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: At least at that caliber.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tell you why.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get to the other perp later, but right now let me focus on Burke.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: In the second section of the chart, we have Jupiter in between Neptune and Mercury, but a little bit further away from it, still in the second section, but in the sign of Aquarius, we have the planet of Uranus.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uranus is the planet that creates shocks and surprises, and it's connected here very close to at least the ruler of this whole case of Jupiter.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: And because Uranus is here connected to all of this in the motive section, I believe that both individuals intended to hurt John Binet, but neither one of them intended to kill her.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: I am not seeing a planned and advanced murder.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was almost like a tragic perfect storm where they both had a reason to hurt her, I guess you could say, but neither one of them intended for her to die.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: In my interpretation, I'm looking at a moment of anger.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: That brings me back to the possibility of a sibling confrontation.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_02: Mercury is in retrograde in Capricorn, which makes me think of an old conflict resurfacing.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think there were reportings of Burke physically fighting with John Binet in the past.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: And we could see that through Mercury in retrograde at 18 degrees in Capricorn.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: When you see 18 degrees, that's usually not good in a crime chart.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: It means something maybe either diabolical or just not good.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Something that had happened before, something someone had been trying to keep under control.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: And this brings me right back to the Uranus placement, the shocks and surprises of it all.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uranus is at two degrees Aquarius, and the image associated with anything between two to three Aquarius is very telling for this case.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: The Sabian symbol is a deserter from the Navy.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: How do I interpret this symbol?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: A deserter is someone who abandons their duty, someone who is supposed to follow the rules and maintain discipline and fulfill their responsibilities, but instead breaks away from what is expected to them.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: I connect that image to someone abandoning their self-control that they were supposed to maintain.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm interpreting this as someone abandoning their self-control in a moment of anger with consequences far more serious than they ever intended.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: I interpret this as Burke losing his own sense of control and getting physical.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: We can also see that through Saturn and Aries in the third house.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Since Uranus is in Aquarius, we're also going to look at Saturn, because that's the traditional ruler of Aquarius energy.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: The third house rules siblings, neighbors, and our immediate surroundings.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Aries rules the head, anger, and impulsive physical reactions.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: So Saturn represents discipline and self-control, but it's in its fall in Aries.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: The planet responsible for keeping our impulses in check is struggling in a sign that wants to act immediately.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm interpreting this as a sudden loss of self-control involving a sibling with a physical blow to the head.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Saturn is also at just one degree of Aries, emphasizing that raw impulsive nature of the action.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Someone reacts in anger before considering the consequences.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: My theory is that an argument or a confrontation escalated, resulting in a blow to John Bene's head that was never intended to be fatal.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: To get more detail on this, I drew a chart for 9.30 p.m.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: the night before December 25th, 1996, in Boulder, Colorado.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Then essentially pressed fast forward to see what was up.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: At 11.30 p.m.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: that night, I saw a signature of violence.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: A chart for this time is up on YouTube.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: But for those of you listening, at this time, Virgo was rising with Mars and Virgo on the ascendant.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Saturn is an Aries on the descendant.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: When I'm looking at this chart together as a whole, I am seeing an argument between siblings inside the Ramsey home that escalated into an act of violence.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: What could have caused that argument?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Mars, the planet of aggression, also rules Scorpio, which connects us to the second house of possessions and all the things that we consider ours.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: This argument was likely over an item, but there's something else in the second house here that really caught my attention.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's Chiron sitting at 29 degrees Libra.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Chiron represents our wounds, and in the sign of Libra, it's all about fairness, compromise, and sharing.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: At 29 degrees, the very last degree of the sign of Libra, these themes become really, really intense.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: So here we have a wound surrounding sharing about an item that started a fight.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now does that make you think of anything?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because immediately it's making me think about the pineapple.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, pineapple was found in John Bene's digestive system.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: There was a bowl of pineapple in the kitchen that Patsy said she hadn't prepared.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: Could something as seemingly insignificant as sharing food or refusing to share it trigger that argument?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: And what makes this even more wild is there is an asteroid called fruit that literally describes the energy of fruit.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's appearing in this chart conjunct Pluto, the planet of control and danger.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: Putting this all together, I'm wondering if after everyone went to bed, Burke went downstairs to get himself a snack of pineapple.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: John Binet heard him, went downstairs, and took some of his pineapple.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: Burke felt the wound of sharing, and they got into a fight which escalated into violence that didn't intend to kill her, but it did hurt her in the head.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: And there's one more detail in this chart that tells me what happened to John Benet after she was struck.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: Although Virgo is rising, it extends into the twelfth house.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: The twelfth house rules isolation, sleep, and unconsciousness.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: This makes me think that maybe John Binet was struck in the head and went back upstairs to sleep, which is probably really dangerous after a head injury, or maybe she even went unconscious.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think that the seriousness of the initial injury wasn't immediately understood, even to Burke.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: He was only nine years old.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm fast forwarding the chart again and again, and I'm looking for the second signature of violence.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because remember, I saw the Gemini and the descendant showing two potential killers, and I found what I think is another act of violence happening around 5 o'clock a.m.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm putting this chart up on YouTube too.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: The 5 a.m.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: chart looks to me that a second person might have come in that night or that morning, I guess, and hurt her.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think that the second person broke into the house.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like it wasn't a random intruder.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because the fourth house is ruled by Pisces with Saturn in it.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's someone who was allowed in, flowed, and was allowed to sneak in.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like the doorway to the house was permeable to them.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: And with the South Note here in the fourth house, it looks like it was a family secret over time.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: This chart looks very similar to the 552 chart.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: It has a Sagittarius rising, but this time Pluto is almost exactly on the ascendant, conjunct Venus, the planet I assigned to John Benet.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: Pluto represents danger and the abuse of power, and here that danger is directly connected to John Benay.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: But where did the second intruder person come from?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: We can figure this out by looking at the sign that Pluto rules, which is Scorpio.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Scorpio is on the 11th house cusp.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: The 11th house represents friends, clubs, and social networks.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: So this leads back to someone connected to the family's social circle rather than a random stranger.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: To get another clue about the second perpetrator, I can get that from Lilith, because Lilith in a chart co-rules the perpetrator.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at the ninth house right now, which has Lilith, and it's in the ninth house at 20 degrees in Leo, and the ninth house is associated with religious groups or higher education and belief systems.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: At 20 degrees, these intentions were kept secret.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Lilith is in Leo, and Leo is ruled by the Sun.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, the Sun has been assigned to John Bonet's father, John.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: So that connection brings you back to John, specifically his social connections and the people around him.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at something taboo, something a person might actually believe they're justified in doing, even when the act is horrifying.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's making me thinking of the possibility of a ritualistic motive.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: What if this person wasn't acting out of ordinary anger?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: What if they believed that there is some greater purpose behind what they were doing?
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: And that makes sense with Mars being in Virgo.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Virgo isn't something impulsive, it's more of something that's slowly planned.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: There's more thought behind the action.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Mars and Virgo is making an exact shrine to Neptune.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: Neptune makes me question what the person believed they were accomplishing.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm considering someone acting deliberately, possibly because they believed there was a particular purpose behind the act.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: With the ninth house of it all.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: We can also see this conflict in the lunar nodes.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: The South Node in Aries is in the fourth house.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: Ares rules physical aggression, while the fourth house represents the family home.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: But the South Node also speaks to what we're trying to leave behind or hide as a secret in crime charts.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: I'm reading it as a violent secret within the home, something that needed to stay behind closed doors.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: Saturn is also a conjunct the South Node in the fourth house, which tells me that there's another secret inside that home involving someone who held authority over the family.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: Could someone who held authority in the home have known about a second incident that the rest of the family just didn't know about or understand?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Directly opposite, we have the north node in Libra in the tenth house.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: The tenth house is our public reputation, and Libra wants to maintain balance.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: It wants everything to appear fair and harmonious, even when there's something very wrong beneath the surface.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: So what I'm seeing here is a conflict between what happened inside the house and what the outside world was supposed to believe.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: The South Node points to the secret, while the north node points to the effort to preserve the family's public image.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_02: Putting this all together, here's my theory about what happened to John Binet Ramsay.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: I believe there were two separate incidents that night involving two different people, and neither of those people intended for John Binet to die.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: The first incident, in my astrological interpretation, points towards Burke.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, Mercury represents Burke in this chart, and Mercury also rules the seventh house of the perpetrator.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_02: Then we have Saturn and Aries in the third house's siblings, which I've connected to an impulsive blow on the head.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: My theory is that Burke might have been involved in an argument with John Bay that got out of control.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: I keep coming back to that pineapple.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: What if Burke went downstairs for a snack and John Benay followed him?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe she took some of his pineapple, and something that would ordinarily be a minor sibling disagreement escalated into a physical confrontation.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think there's a possibility that Burke struck John Benet during that confrontation without understanding how seriously she could be injured.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think maybe she would have been fine if she got medical attention after that.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_02: But how would she or Burke even know that?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: How would the parents know to give her medical attention?
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: They were sleeping and probably didn't even know about the incident.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I think she just went to bed or even went unconscious in bed.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Then at around 5 a.m., someone else came to the house that was connected to some kind of weird or ritualistic club that the father may have been involved in.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think that the father allowed him to come into this house to do some sort of ritual with John Binet.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think this ritual was something that's done before with the Mercury in retrograde of it all, which also connects to the second perpetrator.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think that this was an act that John Benet has participated in before, and normally she comes out without any physical injuries that are critical.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: But this time, with the head injury, her body couldn't handle it.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: This whole thing is so sad and tragic, and it really is the perfect tragic storm of two violent acts meant to hurt her for two different reasons, but since they were combined together, it ended up killing her unexpectedly.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: I keep coming back to the possibility that John knew something about the second incident that Patsy did not know.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: These charts were making me wonder if John knew something about the second incident that Patsy didn't, and if the earlier confrontation with Burke became the explanation that the family focused on.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe Patsy didn't even know about John's involvement in the rituals in the club.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: My theory is that to protect that secret ritual, he threw Burke under the bus.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm guessing that he threw Burke under the bus to Patsy, and Patsy believed that Burke killed John Binet.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: Let's look at Patsy's role in the aggregore of this case.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: The moon represents Patsy and it's in Cancer in the eighth house.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Cancer is concerned with protecting the family, especially the children.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: The eighth house is where we're dealing with death and what remains hidden.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: The moon is opposing Jupiter and Capricorn in the second house.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: That is why I believe Patsy wrote the ransom note.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think that Patsy believed that Burke had accidentally and his actions alone caused his sister's death.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: What if she thought she was protecting her surviving child?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I think she wrote the ransom note.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's how I'm interpreting the moon opposite Jupiter.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: A mother confronted with something horrifying, believing that she needed to protect the child that was still alive.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: And here's another possibility.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: What if Burke himself believed that he was responsible for the sister's death because of an earlier confrontation without knowing whether something else happened afterwards?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: I can't know what Burke believed, but within this theory, it's a possibility that helps explain why the circumstances were so complicated.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's why so many people think he was giving guilty energy.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where I ultimately land.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Three people living with three different understandings of the same tragedy.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I believe the astrology is describing.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: It would explain why the suspicions surrounding the case had taken so many different directions and why the pieces have been so difficult to fit together.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: That brings us to the end of my investigation into the astrology surrounding the murder of John Bonnet Ramsay.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: But I know I'm not the only astrologer who's been examining this case, and I would genuinely love to hear your interpretations.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you see something in these placements that I haven't considered?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you've reached an entirely different conclusion.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: I welcome discussion and different perspectives.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for spending this time with me.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Every moment has a chart, every chart has a story.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Macy Murdoch, and you've been listening to the Star Witness.