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Patriots Unfiltered 4/18: Takeaways from Eliot Wolf's Pre-Draft Presser, Evaluating the Draft QBs, Potential Trades · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's got like built in trastion.
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  Speaker 3: Well for beers to know. And I'm thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 3: I can help him.
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  Speaker 2: I take any of the top five quarterbacks over what
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  Speaker 2: we've dealt with since Brady, and I'll scream if we
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  Speaker 2: don't take Daniels. If May has gone at three, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'll just stop talking then.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Mike likes Jaden Daiels. I like Jaydon Daniels too.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with Mike, but doesn't mean that like you're wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know gang And he's too nice to just
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  Speaker 4: say yeah, I don't buy it. Sucks And he just
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  Speaker 4: doesn't like the squinting squinting because Mike is not sold
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  Speaker 4: on Jayden and Daniel Paul.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing is repeating what everyone else is saying, right right, Wow.
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  Speaker 2: But you're doing it while you're eating.
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  Speaker 3: A lemon and scret right, he's squinting.
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  Speaker 4: I understand why you would think that he's not a
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  Speaker 4: good prospect, Evan, because you don't know, like I know.
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  Speaker 3: This is how people think.
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  Speaker 2: I said, email said I went to Northeastern, and Paul saying,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care that he went to Northeastern. I still
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  Speaker 2: don't care about PFF stats.
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  Speaker 4: You know how I usually say I never said that.
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  Speaker 4: I am quite sure sure that I said exactly.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday, and
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  Speaker 2: uh it's another edition of our show. It's Tamara, Paul, myself.
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  Speaker 2: I assume Evan'll be bye later.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks an assumption.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is on vacation, yes, out in sunny California.
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  Speaker 2: But we are now one week away from the draft,
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  Speaker 2: and this morning Elliott Wolf had his pre draft you
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  Speaker 2: know conference, something we hope will be now a tradition
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  Speaker 2: for him in the years to come. But this was
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  Speaker 2: his first one at the Helm, and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts. I thought he did well. Obviously didn't give
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  Speaker 2: us any information, but did it in a nice way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a pleasant fellow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was kind of great to hear him
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  Speaker 5: say today, we're open for business, trading up, trading down,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we're open to anything, especially with the conversation
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  Speaker 5: that we had here on radio on Tuesday saying that
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  Speaker 5: we didn't want them to make a reach with the
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  Speaker 5: number three pick if they weren't sure on a quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: And it sounds like if they aren't sure, it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have to be a quarterback three at three. They're open
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  Speaker 5: to moving back to right. So I kind of like
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  Speaker 5: the flexibility that they have going into Thursday night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that he had some interesting comments with
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  Speaker 4: regard to the class and specifically the quarterbacks. I thought
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  Speaker 4: it was interesting that he, you know, he offered He
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  Speaker 4: was asked about like May and Daniel specifically, and then
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  Speaker 4: sort of opened it up and said, you know, we
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  Speaker 4: feel that way. He said nice things about them, and
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  Speaker 4: he said we feel that way about all six of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he offered six, so he's including Pennix, McCarthy, and Nix
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  Speaker 4: into that group. I'm going to assume he's not talking
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  Speaker 4: about anybody outside of those, But he was talking sort
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  Speaker 4: of a reference to May and being very impressed with
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  Speaker 4: what teammates say about him and what team, how the
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  Speaker 4: teammates have talked about McCarthy and May and those guys.
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  Speaker 4: And then he said, but we feel that way about
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  Speaker 4: all six of these guys. So I thought that was
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  Speaker 4: an interesting tidbit that he threw out there.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, I thought that was intriguing too. Personally me,
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  Speaker 5: I would prefer not to choose McCarthy at three, Like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think we should be picking him at three.
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  Speaker 5: I think it definitely should be Jaden or May, Jane
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  Speaker 5: Daniels or Drake May. But it is nice to see
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  Speaker 5: that they're open to other quarterbacks if they do trade
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  Speaker 5: back and they end up getting McCarthy.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't want to I go back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, if you're not willing to take McCarthy
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  Speaker 2: at three, I wouldn't take him in the trade back either.
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  Speaker 4: I totally I agree now that the caveat Yet there
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  Speaker 4: is another side to that, because you're saying, well, I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't take him at three, but I'll take him at
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  Speaker 4: at eight if I can get him and well another pick, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so that it's more valuable.
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  Speaker 3: But I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: If I like him that much, I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: roll the dice and move down and just keep my
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  Speaker 4: fingers crossed it else.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's let's face it, if you're picking any
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  Speaker 2: quarterback at eight, that's a higher pick than you picked
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  Speaker 2: mac Jones. So you want him to be your starting quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: It is? Yeah, right, m hm, you know, so.
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  Speaker 4: I totally agree if you if if he really likes Carthy, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm with Tamara. I kind of don't. I do see
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  Speaker 4: the upside. I recognize he has upside, just like the
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  Speaker 4: other guys. But if he likes him that much, it
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  Speaker 4: would be disappointing that he wouldn't like him to the
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  Speaker 4: point where he's just going to take him at three,
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  Speaker 4: right like that would be disappointing to me. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: not I think, you know, I think the very last
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  Speaker 4: question of the press conference, Tom Karran asked him if
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  Speaker 4: he would feel how he would feel about May Daniels,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, you know, McCarthy, you know he'd be okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, as he gotten to the point where he'd
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  Speaker 4: feel pretty much okay with any of those, and he
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  Speaker 4: said he would. He's gotten the point, and that's kind
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  Speaker 4: of when he threw out the you know, like being
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  Speaker 4: happier at all six of them.
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  Speaker 2: Now somebody can say, well, Fred, what if they absolutely
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  Speaker 2: know one hundred percent that if they trade down they
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  Speaker 2: can still get McCarthy. Yeah, they take him at three,
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  Speaker 2: but now you can get the guy you want. How
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  Speaker 2: can you be.
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  Speaker 4: Sure The only way that can be true is if
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  Speaker 4: you trade down one spot, right.
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  Speaker 2: You can never be sure of that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you couldn't be sure of that because I
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  Speaker 5: feel like it's too much of a gamble, especially when
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  Speaker 5: you have the Giants allegedly wanting a quarterback, the Vikings
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  Speaker 5: warning a quarterback. It's like, what if more trades happened
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  Speaker 5: in both the Giants and the Vikings get the quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: and then you're like, oh, there's.
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  Speaker 4: No but it's every team. It's all the teams picking
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  Speaker 4: the teams that now have the ability to jump in
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  Speaker 4: ahead of you as well. So it's a risk, and
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  Speaker 4: I think it's not all that different than what Bill
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  Speaker 4: Belichick did last year with Christian Gonzalez. Yep, he went
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  Speaker 4: from I just if they just want to say from
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  Speaker 4: fourteen to seventeen. I forget the exact numbers, but he
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  Speaker 4: slid down a couple of spots in the first round,
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  Speaker 4: and they still with an eye on Gonzales and still
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  Speaker 4: got Gonzales. Washington in between took a cornerback and Manual
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  Speaker 4: Forbes that very easily could have been Christian Gonzales. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: part of that is understanding and knowing and forecasting the
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  Speaker 4: board and knowing, you know, maybe we had intel that
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  Speaker 4: Washington wasn't interested in the corner, but they like Forbes,
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  Speaker 4: so they're not going to take Gonzales.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: But it's still a risk.
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  Speaker 4: Because maybe even that information A might not be right
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  Speaker 4: and B what if Washington.
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  Speaker 3: Did like Forbes.
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  Speaker 4: But that's because they assumed Gonzales was going to be gone. Yep,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so there's risk to that, and I would
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  Speaker 4: rather just take the guy. So it's all if I
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  Speaker 4: was convicted in the guy.
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  Speaker 2: It's all very exciting, and we are excited because on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to be live from the GP Atrium here
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  Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium. We'll be live at the draft party.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to start our show at seven thirty, and
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  Speaker 2: we are going to be live video all night, all
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  Speaker 2: night on Patriots dot Com and the Patriots app. Video
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  Speaker 2: all night will be live video on Social from eight
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  Speaker 2: thirty to nine to capture the you know pick, assuming
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  Speaker 2: they stay at three, to get that on all channels.
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  Speaker 2: But per league rules, were only allowed a half an
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  Speaker 2: hour half an hour hof during on so yeah, during
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  Speaker 2: the draft broadcast windows. So we're gonna pick the half
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  Speaker 2: hour hopefully when they make that number three pick. But otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: if you stay on Patriots dot Com, you're gonna see
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  Speaker 2: us from seven thirty all the way through the through
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  Speaker 2: the draft. And I might have something special that I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be wearing, just so people know.
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  Speaker 5: I have sources have told me things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so German soccer shirt. No, So I have a question.
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  Speaker 4: So but but it's relating to this all right, because
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  Speaker 4: I was busy with my shows. Yeah, and I did
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  Speaker 4: not attend the meeting this week, and I know a
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  Speaker 4: lot of this stuff was talked about. So eight thirty
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  Speaker 4: to nine, do we have the ability to go live
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  Speaker 4: if we're picking before eight thirty on Social?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can choose whatever window we want, we can,
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  Speaker 2: as long as we don't go over thirty minutes, right.
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  Speaker 4: So like because there's I mean, I think that eight
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  Speaker 4: thirty to nine probably is gonna be pretty safe.
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  Speaker 3: But the draft star said eight.
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  Speaker 4: I assume you know, Goodell, we'll kick it off at
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  Speaker 4: like eight ten or something like that. If Chicago and
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  Speaker 4: Washington make picks, you know, within ten minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be earlier.
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  Speaker 4: It could be earlier than eight thirty. I just want
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  Speaker 4: to know that ability.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be nimble. But if you're on Patriots dot com, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have not gonna miss it.
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  Speaker 4: Wall So we don't do we haven't. We didn't do
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  Speaker 4: video no cte.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, we never did video the whole time
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  Speaker 2: on I thought on the first.
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  Speaker 5: We just did like the first hour, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ish yeah, So so that'll be that'll be cool.
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  Speaker 2: And then on Friday three hours live video on Patriots
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  Speaker 2: dot Com, and then another two hours on Saturday. But
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  Speaker 2: otherwise we'll be covering everything. We're gonna have after each pick,
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  Speaker 2: live reaction from outside the war room. So whether it's
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  Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf or Girodmeo or somebody will come out and
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  Speaker 2: go live with us on Patriots Unfiltered, not they won't
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  Speaker 2: be in studio that we'll bring him down to a
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  Speaker 2: room near the war room and we'll get the first
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  Speaker 2: reaction from them live on our show. So that'll be cool. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we'll cover all the press conferences live, you know, after
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  Speaker 2: each day or whenever they have them. We'll go live
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  Speaker 2: with that. So it's gonna be a fun time on Thursday, Friday,
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  Speaker 2: Saturday on the Patriots media channels. So very excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: Drink and content. We'll have evidence of Evan not being
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  Speaker 2: happy with any of the picks.
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  Speaker 5: Can we get like an Evan? Because he's not here,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I can ask this question of like
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  Speaker 5: can we get like a go pro like specifically on Evan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could, you know Evan Cam, Yeah, we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: Lens Lazar. I was gonna say Lazarre looking yeaheah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing will talk Eric though nobelievable. He was so upset.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's like they start year. It was like
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  Speaker 2: a personal affront to him, like, you know, how could they.
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  Speaker 4: You know, because of all of that, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: voluminous notes he took, all the draft picks.
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  Speaker 3: I just went to waste.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of you left yours? Where's the beast?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, beast? And I got my r lads. Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: all set now, I got I got all my my
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  Speaker 2: reference books. So very excited.
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  Speaker 5: Fred looks like he's studying for the elsats.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, with his sweater, with the sweater and the full
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  Speaker 3: stack of notes.
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  Speaker 2: The problem I can't remember this stuff. That's you guys.
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  Speaker 2: You read it and then you start reciting.
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  Speaker 3: Don't put me in evident in Mike's catch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I have to keep going back. What
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  Speaker 2: did I think of him? What?
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  Speaker 7: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Like I was laughing yesterday on my on one of
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  Speaker 4: my shows, they were talking about defensive linemen, I think,
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  Speaker 4: or outside linebackers. And then you know how they just
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  Speaker 4: they you know, Mike and Tony throw markers at the
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  Speaker 4: board and they have their big board. So one of
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  Speaker 4: the guys that's he was scheduled as a seventh round
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  Speaker 4: pick and they're going, wow, you know he's your day
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  Speaker 4: three guys like you know, and then Barth you know
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  Speaker 4: this guy and he goes, yeah, yeah, more like a
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  Speaker 4: fourth round pick, like just yeah, like they like they
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  Speaker 4: know these guys.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Barth is he's pretty good too. He knows his names.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, real happy for you. I can't remember the names.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember people in my lives, my life's name,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 4: I used to like, I tease them, I make fun
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  Speaker 4: of them. I did the same thing for years and years,
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  Speaker 4: Andy and I knew three hundred players, and then you
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  Speaker 4: realize you're only picking seven of them. Yeah, there's just
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  Speaker 4: not a whole lot in it for you at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day. But yeah, I did the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not making fun of them at all.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's part of the it's what their job is,
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  Speaker 2: part of the process, and they should know all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I do not know.
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  Speaker 4: You know, hundreds and hundreds of players every year in
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  Speaker 4: the draft anymore like I did.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Barth's is already starting on next year's and I'm
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  Speaker 2: not kidding, and he'll admit it, you know, I would.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, if you, if you're like that, you
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  Speaker 4: should probably be looking to get in the business and
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  Speaker 4: do it.
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  Speaker 2: In the business.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean that with the teams, right, right, Go
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  Speaker 3: get a job with the team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was at Elliott Wolf's press conference. Two
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  Speaker 2: of you were there. I thought it was a good
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  Speaker 2: sized crowd.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I thought the mood was optimistic and upbeat from the media.
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  Speaker 2: I think they, you know, the same. You know Elliott
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  Speaker 2: was talking about is a good vibe going on right
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  Speaker 2: now in football. I think there's also a good vibe
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  Speaker 2: going on right now with the media. I think they're
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  Speaker 2: excited to do their job well.
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  Speaker 4: I think the third pick is that lends that excitement.
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  Speaker 4: I was more sort of interested in some of the
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  Speaker 4: things that he said about the team in general, some
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  Speaker 4: of the questions he was asked about the personnel and
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  Speaker 4: some of his reactions to some of those things, because,
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  Speaker 4: like you said, Fred, you know, he was very He's
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  Speaker 4: a very pleasant fellow. Obviously, he didn't tell you any
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  Speaker 4: more than Bill Belichick, would you know, No, should he right?
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  Speaker 4: But you know, he was asked specifically. I think Ben
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  Speaker 4: Vollen asked him, you know, if the season started today,
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  Speaker 4: you know, who would be the left tackle, and he
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  Speaker 4: said it would be a core for who's never played
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  Speaker 4: left tackle in the NFL. He did play some left
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  Speaker 4: tackle in college. So that was kind of mildly concerning.
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  Speaker 5: The wide receiver question was very interesting and was not
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  Speaker 5: an answer.
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  Speaker 3: Karen Gregy.
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  Speaker 2: He went down the offense and kind of left out
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  Speaker 2: wide receivers.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no.
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  Speaker 4: Karen asked him specifically if he felt like the there
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  Speaker 4: was not enough respect being paid to his wide receiver
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  Speaker 4: room in his tackle room, and he said yes, he
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  Speaker 4: did address. He said, yes, and I feel like I
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  Speaker 4: feel like not enough we have like an AC fan.
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  Speaker 4: He said, yeah, that that needs to be.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to have it shut off, but.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you that was kind of distracting, but
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  Speaker 4: Elliott said that, yeah, yes, I feel like those rooms
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  Speaker 4: are being a little bit underlooked, undervalued, and we felt
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  Speaker 4: like we have NFL players that all those INDI he
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  Speaker 4: battled off four or five positions and I tweeted out
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  Speaker 4: that comment and the predictability comes well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, obviously the role in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: You know you didn't say they're good players, Yes, I know.
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  Speaker 4: I just think he was trying to be sort of
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  Speaker 4: supportive of the players that he asked right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the question I think I forgot who was asked
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  Speaker 5: it in front of me, but asked about what do
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  Speaker 5: you think the issue is with why you guys cannot
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  Speaker 5: develop wide receiver? Mark Daniels, I think yes, And it
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  Speaker 5: was kind of just like a fumbling of words where
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  Speaker 5: there wasn't an answer to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I can't tell you why, but he
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  Speaker 2: didn't deny it. Like he didn't say, well, I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think we've developed quite a few, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't say that. You know, yeah I did. There's and
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  Speaker 2: it's that's a tough one to answer because there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of reasons. It's a the players they chose, but
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  Speaker 2: b you know, when Brady was here, this was a
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  Speaker 2: tough place to break in if you were a wide receiver,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: you know, because Brady was the playbook and he demanded
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: guys just to be on the same page right away,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: and some guys just just never got on that, you know,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: So that was another reason. And you know, so there's
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of reasons why, and you know, receivers didn't
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: work out, and each one had their own story, you know.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's case by case. Yeah, but I would agree
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I think that Brady was part of that. Now, there
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: were some young receivers that came in and caught on
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: quickly on branch with Brady, and even like Malcolm Mitchell yep, yeah,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: you know he was a contributor as a rookie. But yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I do think that that's been a problem with the coaches.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: But this is a different coaching staff, right yep.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: So that was that, And then of course yesterday you
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: know we talk about everything. The story came out with
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Don van Natta and Wickersham. Was he involved in that
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: one too?
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: It was Seth Wickersham, Van Nada and Jeremy fun.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: About Bill's job search and the whole inside story of
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the falcons and everything, and locally the big news was,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Robert Kraft kind of scuttled that job thing.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I think, Paul, you did a good job on ninety
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: eight point five, Like.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: I want you to pay attention because this may be
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: the first time this has ever happened.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I think that, you know, I agree. See,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I think you did a good job because I agree
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: with you. Like everything in that story is kind of
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: what we knew. Like we knew Bill and Robert Kraft
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: weren't getting along, you know, right up into the end
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and they had the parting of ways. And I don't
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: think that story added to that. Now, you know, Stacy James,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: who was the vice president of PR in the story,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: denied that. He said that in the two conversations that
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Robert had with Arthur blank related to the job. That
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean like in the past Robert said, oh my
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: pain in the ass, you know, head coach, I can't
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: always trust him. He might have I don't know, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think it's I don't think Robert
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Kraft is that dumb in a in a phone call
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: about someone looking for a job too, like do something
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: that would harm that person getting the job, Like that's
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: HR one O one. You know, when you're asked for
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a reference, A lot of companies don't even allow a
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: manager to say how that person performed. All they're allowed
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to do is confirm that they work there and for
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: how long they work. Because if you ever say anything
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: bad and it kept that person from getting a job,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you could get sued.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Wait I did. I don't agree with that. I feel
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: like if that person is not a good worker, they
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: should be able to tell you.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Not allowed to do this.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: No, that's HR one on one.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: These days, you're supposed to say.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: That or I'd rather just say I don't.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I'd rather not get rung.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: So the reason that's what you're supposed to do, Well,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: you're not supposed to do that either, because like if
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you're if Tamorrow was a great worker. And I get
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: a call about Tamara and I said, oh, yeah, she
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: was great. And then I get a call about Evan.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, I can't give you a reference. You know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I'm only allowed. Then it's like, well, he said good
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: things about Tamara, but not so that means that Evan
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: must not have been as good as Tamara. So what
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: HR says now is you don't give references about anyone.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: All you do is confirm that they work there and
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: for how long. And that way, it's like Bill Belichick.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You can't get painted into a corner by what you
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: don't say.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think legally you're not allowed to give
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: a poor recommendation if you're asked. I think you're allowed
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: to say to decline.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I think you can say anything you want legally, But
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: once you get supposed to do but well, no, that's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: kind of an HR rule. But once, but once you
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: say something bad about somebody, now you're on the hook.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: If that person finds out that you were the reason
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: why I didn't get the job, I'm suing you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I think my larger point yesterday, I don't know if
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: that was the part that you agree with me on is,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: I don't really think this had anything to do with his.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: No, I mean getting a job or.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: The Robert Craft part was like this. Much of the story,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: you know, most of it was the Falcons internally not
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: wanting him.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: And I think that was more because of the structure
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: that they had in place. And I know that Bill's
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: side sort of reiterated that he didn't seek total control.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: He was fine with just being the coach and all that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: But I think that the rich McKay's and the Fontinas
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: and those guys behind the scenes are smart enough to
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: know that they were going to be gone if.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Bill got id one eventually.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think Arthur Blank looked at it and said, well,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: if I do that and I blow everybody out, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: it's I'm turning it over to Bill and then he
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: does a great job.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: For what am I going to get? Two years? Maybe three?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: And then I I'm right back in the spot and
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: now I have nothing in place. I think that's why,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: And I think that the proof of that is in
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: this story. It said Blank, McKay and everybody else involved
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: was asked to write down their top three candidates, and
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: none of them had Bill. Yeah, so you tell me
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: that none of them had Bill because Roberts said, well,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: he's kind of tough to deal with.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's true.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well why.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Did they It seemed like it was such a hot
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: lead and like flying him in back to back and
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: like it seemed like he was going to be the
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: higher and all of a sudden it went high school.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Well from the story it said the second interview was
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: just a format. It was just out of courtesy.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so who knows all the details, it seems,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I just thought that. I just it was
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: another I thought, you know, good story from ESPN, But
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I don't necessarily look, I don't necessarily link one to another.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I always joke with you
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: like who.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think said this? And who do you think
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: said that? This one kind of game from the Belichick.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Camp if you write reading the story, Yeah, and there's
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: probably a little cover your ass yep part of it too,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like if Raheem Morris doesn't work out, well, we couldn't
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: hire because Robert Craft said you can't trust him.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: But you know, again, I don't think if he said
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that and they deny it, I think it was way
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: before Bill was ever looking for a job.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe Rich McKay wants it out there, saying like, you know, yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: you know, well Robert told me that he wasn't really
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: to be trusted.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: It's not my fault, right. I thought it was very
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: interesting timing that the story comes out in the morning,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: then Bill's on McAfee in the afternoon saying that we're
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be on ESPN next week during the draft.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And you should notice that because that's how they operate
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in ESPN. That is I.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I wonder who the source was for the Wickersham story.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, like what, I understand both sides
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: of it. I just it's pretty cut and dry that
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Bill was the source for the peace somebodybody at Bill's camp. Yeah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: which is fine. He's allowed to get his own.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: The only difference between Robert Craft and Bill in this
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: regard is Robert will tell people himself what he's feeling
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and Bill will have somebody do it for him. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that's the only difference, you know. And we know like
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: nothing's new here, Like we know that they had that
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: they were had it with each other. It was time
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to go, just like it was time for Tom to go.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Because he had had it. Folks, Let's grow up. Our
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: parents got divorced, all right, we have to deal with it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: We patrios fans have to stop being babies, we're being
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: bib our parents get divorced. We have to move on.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: We have to pull up our pants and move on.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: We have a new daddy, okay, And you know, in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a week we might be adopting a new sibling. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I hope we welcome that new sibling into the family.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: This analogy to be drake, I don't know, but we
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have to move on. We have to move on all
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that stuff, you know, whatever.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: And so that was what we do.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: We address everything. As you said at the start of that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: That's I just didn't really think it was all that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I think some of those Wickersham pieces I've been really
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: sort of enamored with. This one was just kind of yeah.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Every time Seth Wickersham publishes something about the page.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: But I saw the Dynasty, and I saw I saw
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Robert saying basically, my head coach could be a pan
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: in the tush he said it, so like there wasn't
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: really anything that was causing me to stop in my tracks.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't believe that. The other thing I want
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to put on the table and we don't have to
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: like get into it now, we can save it for later.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Is the whole NBA thing. I know the guy was
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: in the G League when it happened, but he what's
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: his name, He's been banned for life for betting on
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the NBA, which is the only thing that Silver could
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: have done.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: But you know, just be curious to see. Yeah, it's
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: easy to do with a G League player. And I
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: also thought poor taste from the NBA. And they're official
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and their official release on this, the first lines is
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: a two way player, a player on a two way contract. Like,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: so if it was, like I joked on the radio, yes, say,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: if it was like Chris Paul, would it say, like
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: eleven time All Star although he never won an NBA title.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Although he's very overrated, Like would it include that?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Why why do we have to disminish the guy's ability?
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: You had a player in your league who bet on
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: the games. You did the only thing that you could do.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: You don't have to like write and like, to me,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: that was an attempt to sort to downplay it because
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: this doesn't happen with regular plays only only fringe guys
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that are on two way contract.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Well, like you said just before, like what if it
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: was somebody like Lebron or Steph Curry, And I can
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: guarantee if it was, it would be like, well did
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: he really do it? And you know, lawyers would be
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: involved and it would be all drawn out and then
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the interpreter there would be an yeah exactly, there would
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: be an investigation. Then we find out, well it wasn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: exactly Lebron, that'd be a cover up.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, It's so easy to do.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: And I listen, they did it, they did the right thing.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I'm not diminishing what they did. They did what they
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: should have done. But it's easy to do when it's
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: a guy that's a French player.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: But it's they had to do it, you have to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: do it. And that's why I put it in writing
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: on the Twitter. I said that for these technically now, yeah,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: for these betting sites, whether it's DraftKings, are FanDuel or whatever,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: individual prop bets on unders should be outlawed. There's too
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: much control in the hands of the player for under.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You can only bet on individual props for overs, not unders.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: But so that's still no.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But like if I'm if I'm shooting X, at least
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the coach can take me out if I'm going rogue.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: But I could be going rogue, I'm hurting the team
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I'm affecting, right, and so they the game.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: But on UNDERS, I can like miss the shot, like
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I can still pretend I'm trying, or I can pretend
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I have an injury so I can't play.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: That's what he did, right, So, and I'm saying, so.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's too much control in the hands of the
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: player for UNDERS.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that they should probably pull back
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: a little bit on the amount of things that you
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: can add on in games. But in terms of the legalization,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: I think this is an example of why it's good well,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: because this is how you get caught.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And I think because of the legalization, there's more scrutiny.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Did this stuff happened before it was?
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Of course it did, Like if he if he did
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: all this with Joey the nose, how are you?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: How do you know today?
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, so I I you know, I'm not a
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: huge I can hear you drinking tea.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah I'm not. I'm not a huge you know. Certainly
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: in game I would have no interest in like all
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: these prop in game, you know, second half, I'm not
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: a big fan of it. Obviously we can't do it anyway,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: even if I were a big fan of it. But
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I can't stand the the immediate pushback every time something happens.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: Well there's this is what happens, right, The leagues get
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: in bed with the with draft kings and they're making
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: all this money.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: This has always happens.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Now they're getting caught because there are safeguards against it
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: with these sites. That's how this guy got caught.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I know. And on one of your shows this morning, Paul,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: my brain was starting to hurt because the conversation that
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: no one was listening to each other each other's point,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: so I wasn't. On the show, somebody would make a
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: point and then the other person would argue something that
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't even the other person's point and was just killing me.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: But one of the well, you know, they have logos
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: all over the floor, and how can you you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: allow to have logo.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: What I don't understand what one has to do with
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: the other exactly. You know, like there's a bud light
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: logo in every every arena. Should they allowed just be
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: allowed to be drinking while they're playing, right, Like, should
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: we just Well, that's what you get, Evan. You know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: if you're going to advertise for bud Light, then you
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: have to expect Drake may is going to show up
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: at the draft drunk, right Like, that doesn't that doesn't.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Connect, right. It is an exciting day for him, So
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, this is what happens when you get in bed
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: with the alcohol companies.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So, Evan, we talked about Elliott's press conference. What did
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was upstairs typing away. That's why I was
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a little late to the show today. But I think
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing that I keep coming back to, whether
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: it's gamesmanship or not, is that they don't view this
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: as a two or three quarterback draft. They view this
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: as a six quarterback draft. And if you take it
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: all at face value, what Mayo said and what Elliott said,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: trade down is very much on the table if they
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: get the right offer, I think, because I don't think
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: that they would be disappointed if they walked away from
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: this draft with Pennix or bo Nix or even a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: little bit later JJ McCarthy or something like that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I find that hard to believe.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I find hard to believe it could be. But I
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: just their whole thing has been draft and developed. Or
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: he said, we're a draft and developed team and accumulating
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: more picks would be good for us. She said that exactly.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: That's fine, but I, you know, we were talking about
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it before you got here. If they like JJ McCarthy,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: if they really like him, and they don't take him
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: at three, I think that's wrong because there's no guarantee
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: that JJ McCarthy is going to be there later. At
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the same time, I can't believe that they have six
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks rated.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Similarly, I don't necessarily think that they have him rated
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: exactly the same. But my guess similarly, I don't know
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: if there's any Bill left in that room, then they
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: probably do because Bill looked at guys and they put
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: him in buckets. You know, maybe a guy like Caleb
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Williams is in a bucket by himself and they look
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: at him. As Bill says, all six or third round
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: picks exactly. I know you're being snarky, but he might
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: look at it and say the drop off, the drop
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: off from Drake May to Michael Pennix isn't really all
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: that much. And if we trade out of this pick,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: it's not just looking at it as Drake May versus
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Michael Penca Michael in the back, and I'm.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Gonna argue the reverse. Then don't take a quarterback at three,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: any of them, any of them, because one of them.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Will be Evan's saying.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Evan's takeaway is he thinks that strongly in consideration that
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: they're not going to take a quarterback because they're gonna
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: go back.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I don't care if it's Jalen Daniels with Drake May.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: If you believed that, then trade down and take somebody
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and take a quarters But I can't believe that that's
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: that's hard for me.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I don't I think he was being I think they'll,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: you know, we're open for business. I do think it's
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: interesting that he said, you know, trade down and trade up,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: and I don't think necessarily trade up with the three pick.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: It's trade up later in the draft. But they need players, Yep,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: they need players, So I understand why they feel like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: quote unquote, they're open for business. It worries me that
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: they really feel that way about these quarterbacks because I
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think that these quarter to your point. I
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: don't think these quarterbacks are in the same tier. I
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: don't think they are in the same talent level, you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: so it it worries me if they look at it
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: and say that bo Nix and Drake May are, well, okay,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: we're good with.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Either me that other than Williams, they all need development.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I think all of them need development. Oh yeah, but
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: every single I think every player needs development.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I know, but like I mean, Caleb Williams needs something too.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But we know what we know like these other guys.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I think we know what we know for the most part.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: With Jayden because he's twenty three, he's been in college
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: football for a long time. I think you know that
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: the skill set and what generally the warts are with
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: a player like that. With Drake May, it's it's obviously
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit more of an unknown because if he
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: can fix the mechanical stuff, he's gonna be an MVP
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: caliber guy. If he can't, he might bust out.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I think to me, there's enough ifs with all these
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: guys that they could all use a year.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I heard someone say, if so hard with
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: these four quarterbacks because you just don't know. Someone this
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: morning on one of my shows, and I just look
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: at what was the year that came when you knew
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: about all the quarterbacks. Yeah, you just you never know
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: about these guys. That's why the you know, that's why
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: it's so high profile that people say, well, you take
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: those quarterbacks early in the draft and they all bust.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: They don't all bust, but a lot of them do.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: And that's why, because you never know, and it's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: hard position to play. It's more high profile. And I've
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: said that a million times. If it's the quarterback, everybody
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: knows about it. When the tackle busts out in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: top ten, it's you know, no one remembers Andrew Thomas,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: who got picked what three years ago and he's been
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: on three teams.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just that's why I set the guy from
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Tennessee and from Tennessee.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Who's the guy from Tenna? Now that's the Giants guy?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, and Andrew Thomas Isaiah Wilson maybe, oh yeah, well
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: yeah he was, he was. That was a whole different situation.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: But off field stuff, right, and you just never know
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: these things happen. Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Everything that they keep saying is about accumulating picks, being
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: open to trading down. And I get that they have
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to say that to an extent with the gamesmanship and
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, But with the Penix visit
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: coming in at last minute and all these different things,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I I still think that we all kind of think
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: stick and pick is is number one on the list
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: of possibilities, right, you know there's the highest chance of
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: that of that happening. I wonder if maybe it's a
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: little bit closer. What this opens the door for tomorrow.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Lenses? So I was I heard told you about this, No,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: but I heard she wants to have a camera just
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: on you. Now, if we trade down, I need that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I said that my my candid reaction. If you want to,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: if you want to stage it that, then we can
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: do that. I'm not I'm not giving my cold, strange
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: reaction on our whatever thing she's got planned for me.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: I mean everyone's going to see it. We're on video
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: during the pick.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Your candid reaction is going to be captured no matter what.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: So now you have to really think about it. What
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a trade down wouldn't what they do. I'm not going
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: to be stone faced. A trade down wouldn't bother me
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: as much as sticking and picking McCarthy at three, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: think that would break me, honestly.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: So that's interesting. We had a poll yesterday on my show,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: and the fans agree with you. Yeah, that was exactly
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the two options. Sit at three and take McCarthy or
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: trade down. And it was like seventy five five trade.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Down because I can justify the trade down. We're gonna
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: do the long term rebuild. We're looking at it through
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: a lens of a couple of years. We're going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: get a bag. As Mao said, you know, you get
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: multiple first round picks for three, you don't love the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: quarterback that you know whatever, But sticking and picking a
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: guy that is probably the twenty fifth best player in
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: the draft third overall, just because he plays quarterback for Michigan,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: that that would that would ruin it for me. I'd
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: be out.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You'd be out.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I'd be out already, that's it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, take your Jersey mics and just take.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Five months in, I'd be out.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: You can't take them, literally, how many times have I
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: been out twenty five years?
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, you did say in the beginning opener, Fred
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: that if we don't take Jane Daniels at three, you're
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: gonna scream, so you're gonna in the opening like for
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I must have been kidding because I don't care.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: It was actually pretty funny. You're like, they don't take
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: him out.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not sold on any of these guys.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Well, there are some Jaden Daniels stuff. I know, we
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: usually do news off the top of the show Washington.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: So so there's rumblings, legitimate rumblings. And this isn't coming
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: from me. I'm just saying. The Twitter spheres is talking.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: The streets are talking that Jaden Daniels has been turned
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: off a little bit by his meetings with the commanders,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: that he's not well. That was a week. Well, so
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: there's more, but yes, go ahead, Okay, So his agent there,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: his agent was liking tweets of people that were criticizing
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: the commanders for how they did their Top thirty visits.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if you guys know the whole story.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: But I did show PREPV. I know what you're talking.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: The commanders brought all four quarterbacks may Daniels, McCarthy, Pennox
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: to Top Golf together together. Yeah, I heard and did
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: like a community communal Top thirty visit where all of
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: them were together the whole time for the visit, dinner,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Top Golf, whatever, And it's basically just like a Bachelor
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: for quarterbacks, like who gets the rose here? And that's
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: how they went about it. And Daniels's agent has put
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: a couple tweets out saying that he is not thrilled.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Because Daniels lost at Top Golf.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Florio and Sims were critical of that, and the agent
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: was sort of quote tweeting in and liking it and stuff.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Not the first time that Jayden Daniels his camp has
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: made it clear that the commanders are kind of turning
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: them off a little bit.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Well it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Matter, probably not. They're probably still going to take.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Them, but well, but maybe they'd be someone that would
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: want to trade down.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Now, maybe they would take May.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they liked May. But if they had their
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: heartset on Daniels, but they don't like what they've seen
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: now from Daniels, then maybe they trade out and go
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: for JJ McCarthy. I don't know.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: This is what you do, yeah, but this is what
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: you do as a prospect to not get drafted by
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: a team. Right, You're not gonna come out. Jaden Daniels
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: is not going to come out himself and tweet commanders
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: don't draft me. But you just start to hear the agent,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: You start to hear the parents, You start to just
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: hear people in his camp that are just kind of
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: leaking stuff to the media, like he doesn't really like
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: it there, he's not really thrilled about these guys. And
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden it becomes a thing. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you think he wants to come here. I think that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: You know, there was a couple of different reports out there,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: kind on record saying no for that. Yeah. He It
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: goes back and forth, I guess.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: But well, Bill Belichick was on the Pat McAfee show
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: yesterday and that's exactly what when you get out from
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: away from the draft, it's all this A lot of
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: this stuff is the agents getting it out there, and
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: as you get closer day before day of the draft,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: then you start getting the real stuff, you know, from teams,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But right now it's just agent talk and family talk,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and it's got a buzz.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I read a piece on looking back at Eli Manning
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: and his decision to sort of force his way from
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: San Diego to the Giants, and.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: It was pretty well done.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: It was on ESPN dot com and it just sort
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: of hit on all the details of that. But at
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: the same time, I was sort of wondering, like, that's
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: a long time ago, that was two thousand and four,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: and how come that doesn't happen more often? You know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: And you know, maybe this is, like Evan said, maybe
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: this is kind of Jaden Daniels's way of sort of
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: doing that. Maybe not feeling like he has the cachet
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: that the man family name had at the time, but
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: this is his way of trying to see if he
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: can dictate where he gets chosen.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: That could really shake things up if the commanders do
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: trade back.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to trade back that. I
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: just think that they might take May May. That's what
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I think. Out of both teams, Commanders Patriots, the Commanders
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: are are definitely the one that are sticking more to
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: me than than the Patriots.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to hear more and more consensus among various
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: scouts or you know, anonymous gms that it's Williams, May,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Daniels like in some order, Like I mean, it's Williams one,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Daniels in May and whatever order. But those three are
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: different than the other three So.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Do we think it's McCarthy's camp who's kind of like
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: pushed this narrative that people are pushing him up.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's Jim Harbaugh did for you, thank you.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: That's today Tuesday, that I really fully believe that Jim
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Harbaugh is the one and that's pulling all the strings
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: on the JJ McCarthy stuff.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: So that maybe there's a quarterback and not a quarterback
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: but his guy that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: He's trying to get quarterbacks to go one two things so.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: We can get Harrison.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 41:12
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• 41:25
  Speaker 3: All right, wow, you read that straight.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: We'll just go Harba should trade his guy, trade for
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: his guy?
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Then there's no chance. Yeah, but that's my that's my point.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I'm off and you take your guys.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I would would you give would you give two first
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: round picks for Herbert?
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm, you would like if you love JJ so much,
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: take them.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: We'll take but That's That's why I feel like that
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: solidifies it for me. Of why I think this is
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: all Harbaugh trying to play the game behind the scenes
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: is because as talented as Justin Herbert is, and he
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: is extremely talented, he's won nothing in the league. So
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: if you think that JJ McCarthy is this Hall of
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Famer in waiting that's gonna rattle off three super Bowls
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: or whatever, I mean, that's an exaggeration, but you get
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: my point. Is it really that outlandish to do what
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Tamara is thinking that he should do?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, Harbaugh, Herbert is, right now, just another one
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: of those, you know, until he got to the Rams,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: like a Matthew Stafford type that has all these physical
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: ability but hasn't one lick. So if you like your
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: guys so much, then trade Herbert for a bag and
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: take JJ.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I would be all in for Justin Herbert being the
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Patriots next franchise.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Would you trade to do it?
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Like? Three and no? Three? Yeah? Three and twenty fives
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: first round pick? And I'm for Justin Herbert? And do
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: I do I get anything back from the Chargers?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: No?
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Besides Herbert?
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: No, you'll get nothing in like it probably not no.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I just think they just have too many holes. Like now, I.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Agree that with that, but I think one of them
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: that you fill is key.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: It's key, and it's like you don't have.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: To throw and coaching him not necessarily about this year,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: it's like I have this guy. Now, I feel like
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I can you know, I can make picks. Maybe I
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: can attract other guys. Maybe I'm in the wide receiver
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: market with the veterans that we talked about on Tuesday. Yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I mean he's a top ten talent at the position
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: in all football in my opinion. But I just went
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: off and said that he hasn't won anything, so just
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: getting Justin Herbert by himself. The Chargers have Justin Herbert
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: by himself and he hasn't. He's made the playoffs once.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: But I feel like half of that, look though, is
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: his coach making some really interesting decisions on fourth down
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: and also his defense just not being able to stop anything.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's tough.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: It's tough to say it's all Justin Herbert and why
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: he hasn't won anything because his coach loves to go
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: for it on.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: For you, you could ask me in three years and
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: I could have a vastly different opinion.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I I Tomara's right, but I think that
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: the things that you heard about Herbert coming out were
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: he's this like surfer dude, you know, like it's just
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: not really all that important to him, and he doesn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: necessarily have this that all the intangibles that people talk
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: about JJ McCarthy where he's this winner and leader and
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you know, just all this stuff. Like it was the
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: opposite with Herbert that he was just kind of chilling.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting if Harbar actually did, you know, put his money
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: where his mouth is, But I don't know, I don't
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: think so.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: And he what a blockbuster blockbuster that.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Would make for a really really great to stuff. We
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: need something to happen Thursday. It's like, oh my god,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and you know, everything's buzzing and all the all the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: social media is going crazy and not necessarily a bad thing,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: like allowing me tunsel. You know, I felt bad for him,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: but like just a blockbuster trade or like something like that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Kevin Costner Knight, Yeah, on drafted.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Do you think it's possible that the Vikings could want
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: a quarterback so bad that they would give someone Justin
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: Jefferson like to trade up? But see that the quarterback exactly.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you that's why you want the quarterbacks so bad.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: It's because we have a receiver now, just need the quarterback.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: And the only way that I would see them trading
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: him is if Jefferson has told them in no uncertain terms,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I am not coming back. You can do whatever you want.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: I don't care what you offer me. I'm not coming back.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: That's true, could be.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I don't think that's happened, and I
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: I just think that you need to get your quarterback
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: that you're going to get to have someone like that
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: to throw.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Web radio at Patriots dot com. Is the email address?
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Anything else? I'm leaving out before we We've covered a lot,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: we've taught, we've said a lot.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we did a lot on on the Wolf press conference,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: and we talked about the story.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: That's when you kind of came down. Yeah, the story.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: You know, Bartha and I got got some heat yesterday
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: for catch twenty two because I just you know, guys
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: know me, I can't be bothered with this kind of stuff.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Like if you it's totally fine, if this is what
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: you're into and you want to talk about the drama people.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Of course, attacked me saying that I couldn't talk about
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: it because he's my boss and like all this kind
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: of stuff. But it's just ultimately to me, there's seven
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: days to go before the draft. This is like my
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: super Bowl. Like I'm not I'm really not thinking about
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: some Seth Wickersham story that he published about Robert.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I also don't think like catch twenty two is that
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: that's not what?
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: So that's that's what we said. We said, this.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Isn't two, not catch heat.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know there were no forty times in
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: that story mat or Sham, no no heights weights for
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: his stop Watch out, no press corner talk, and so
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: that's what we said.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: We said, this isn't the show for it. Alex is
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: on different shows. I'm on this show. We'll talk about
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: it in other platforms for him.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: I got a that a boy from Fred for how
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I handled it yesterday on my shows.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Good job. I don't ever remember getting an boy for
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: anything ever.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Els in Wisconsin, Fred, are we really still blaming Brady
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: for wide receivers not working out? Really? Brady was the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: only one that kept them in the NFL. It was
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the inability to draft wide receivers. None of them were
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: good enough to be NFL players, either physically or mentally period.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I wasn't blaming Brady. I was just explaining that I
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: think because of Brady, this was a you know, in
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: his later years, was a pretty sophisticated offense.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think you blamed Brady.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: No, you know, again we're being so sensitive.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: He's right, I mean, the email is right. The problem
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: has been the identify identifying the right ones in the draft.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Go, I should have had his Brady picking his own wide.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Receiver, but I but I did that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: We do this a lot, really, we do this a
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: lot with the old guys that like, you know, these
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: old quotes, like you know, everybody throws stuff back in
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Bill's face, like from that two thousand and nine documentary,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: I just can't get this team to play. How much
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: mileage have you gotten out of that quote? It is
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: a good quote, but this is you know, Bill never
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: says anything, so when he says something that resonates, you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: you use it over and over again.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: One of the things with this on this topic with
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: wide receivers that I always point to is that book
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: that had details of the Falcons Chiefs trade with Julio
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Jones and Jonathan Baldwin. Classic, right, and that's Bill. Like
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to me, that summarized Bill's mentality, Like, that's why when
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: I said I was being snarky about the quarterbacks only
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: a little. I think there's probably some truth.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: To how he feels. Oh yeah, I mean Julio Jones. Yeah,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: he's pretty good. He's better than Baldwin. But what's the difference.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: What's the difference?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Well, one of them is going to be a Hall
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: of Famer and one of them is going to be
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: out of the league in two years. And you don't
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: know the difference. And I'm not saying it's easy to
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: know the difference even for no. But even for a
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, you know, the best who's ever done it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Like Bill, it's not easy to understand to identify everyone.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: But I think that he feels like that, Why would
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: you go to that guy and trade all of this
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: for that guy when this guy's probably seventy eight of
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: that guy? Why would you do that?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the wide receiver conversation is always interesting
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: and the thing that I go back to with it,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: especially at the top of the draft, is that they've
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: always picked guys that were extremely raw route runners for
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a system that was a highly complex and centered around
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: route running. Like the guys that succeeded in this system
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: were Wes Welker Edelman, you know, even recently like a
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Jacobe Myers. Right, Like, you have guys high IQ's great
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: route runners, like all those types of things, and then
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: they draft Nikhil Harry or they draft Taekwon Thornton and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: they're asking those guys to create separation at the top
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: of the route and understand sight adjustments and post snap
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: you know, coverage indicators and things like that. It's like,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: what do you why? You know? And we go back
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: to this draft. It's a completely new offensive system. So
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: maybe that changes that those raw talents can develop in
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: an Alex Van Pelt offense. But if it's still gonna
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: have similar sort of things, then like one of your guys, Fred,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: like Alad McConkey, you know, that guy would make a
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: lot of sense. You know, some of these guys would
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: make a lot of sense more than you know, a
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: guy that's just a raw physical talent. And I think
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: that's where I keep you know, Chad Jackson. Another example
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: from all the way back it's just like, why are
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: you drafting that guy?
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  Speaker 8: All right?
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  Speaker 6: I know this, Yeah, don't answer it, Bud, all right?
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  Speaker 6: Who was Russell Wilson's pass intended for?
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  Speaker 5: That?
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  Speaker 9: Malcolm Butler intercepted?
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  Speaker 6: Who scored the first Super Bowl points in Patriots team history?
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  Speaker 9: All right? Just points? All right?
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  Speaker 6: That's your hint and question three. In nineteen eighty six,
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots defeated Los Angeles Rams on the hail Mary
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  Speaker 6: pass from Tony Easton for a final second thirty to
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  Speaker 6: twenty eight win.
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  Speaker 9: Who caught the winning touchdown pass?
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  Speaker 8: Yours?
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  Speaker 9: That nineteen eighty six. All right, it's even before my time.
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  Speaker 9: There is what you say?
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  Speaker 8: Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 9: No, just regulars.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what to say, but anyways, Chris, all right, guys,
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  Speaker 6: send your answers to webreeo Patriots dot com. Today we're
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: going to talk about some player rivalries. All right. You know,
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: NFL gets heated. It used to be crazy back in
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: the day, you know, early thousands, nineties. But Chris, we
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: just want to talk about some you know, maybe some
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: famous incidents or player beef. Could be team on teams,
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: some team on team crime.
• 53:19
  Speaker 10: Here.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: You know, we got we got McNabb. Let's start with
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: McNabb and Torell Owens. Okay, all right, go ahead, But
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: do you remember that I.
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: Don't really know.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: You don't know the VF at all.
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: Maybe a little bit let me start talking about.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I was a little bit. I was
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: pretty young then too, but pretty much for you. Yeah, bro, yeah, god, Chris,
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: come on, come on all right, no you no, no, no, no,
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: we'll go.
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: Do you want to want me to do that one?
• 53:41
  Speaker 10: I don't know the full I mean we should just
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: talk about the biggest one first, you do the biggest one.
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: Well, Brady and Manning, all right, fine, I love that. Alright,
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: go for it, Chris Brady, Brady Manning.
• 53:50
  Speaker 10: Tom Brady and Paynon Manning. Too many too many games
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: to count where they were neck and neck. I mean,
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: Brady I think came out on top most of the matchups.
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: He did, But I mean that rivalry. The best part
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: about it was just it was between him and Manning
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: like they were rivals to everybody. Oh yeah, So when
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: they went head to head before Manning retired, it was
• 54:16
  Speaker 10: just must watch television.
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: Like there was always high yeah everything. It was usually
• 54:22
  Speaker 9: always a great game exactly.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: The one that stands out to me was the three
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: and the back to back AFC cham Yeah. I just
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: remember Peyton Manning's jersey just covered in green because he
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: got beat up.
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: That Which one was it?
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: There was one that was closer than the other, right,
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: it was a have to look I thought there was
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: one game where they knocked the socks off of the.
• 54:44
  Speaker 9: Three one cults, for sure, but regardless, that is classic.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: That's just classic NFL lore there, you know, it's it's
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: just funny because Brady ended up playing like almost ten
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: years longer. But I mean, just those guys must watch TV,
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: as you.
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: Say, almost all of you Frasier football.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: Oh honestly, And it was just so great and it's
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: just so funny that they kept it going. I mean,
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: Manning went to the Broncos and it was still same
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: thing over and over. But all right, Chris, I got
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: Donovan McNabb and too pretty much. They had an unreal
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: season and oh four and you know, went to the
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: Super Bowl appearance against the Pats and I forget what
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: game it was. It was late season, too. Messed up
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: his ankle pretty bad. There's actually a good thing on it.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: He talks about like fractured ankle. He's like, just get
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: to Super Bowl, be ready. And my guy went off
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: against us.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: Like if we didn't win, he was gonna be Super MVP.
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: And obviously there's some parts of the story don't know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: but McNabb allegedly wasn't too ready, threw up on the field,
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: and then you know, McNabb actually said some stuff to
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: the media.
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: You don't talk about man's money.
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if you've for seen it, but
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: that's where Teo was doing sit ups in his driveway.
• 55:54
  Speaker 9: You've seen that. Come on, I.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: Actually don't know if I have all right, Well, once again, Chris,
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: you got some homework to do, but uh no, that's
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: that's just an internal one.
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: But Chris, we also got some others.
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: Like that Super Bowl though I was only what four.
• 56:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but I mean that's just NFL lore there. You
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: just know that.
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, all right, we got we got some
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: other rivalries and you know, we can also talk about
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: team matchups here. When I just think of NFL rivalries,
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: I go to the NFC North those games, Browns, Steelers,
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: Ravens versus anybody. I mean, once again, another Brady thing there,
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: Tom Bravers, ray Lewis, Tom Ravers, Turell sucks.
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: Chris, do you want to get in that at all?
• 56:32
  Speaker 10: I mean, ray Lewis is arguably one of the greatest
• 56:36
  Speaker 10: line linebackers of all time outside of LT. Yeah, and
• 56:41
  Speaker 10: that back and forth. They got into it a lot,
• 56:44
  Speaker 10: especially the line of scrimmage. If they ever ran into
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: each other, you knew that they were gonna go.
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: Face to face.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: The NFL just lived for those type of moments.
• 56:54
  Speaker 10: But again, just a lot of scenarios where Brady just
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: had a little bit more juice in them than the
• 56:59
  Speaker 10: than the other guys.
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: You got Brady Lewis, you got Brady Suggs. You know
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: he used to say Sugs versus Uggs also for your time.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: But also just the thing you want to talk about
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: that is that doesn't really happen in the NFL anymore.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: You know, it's all about the offense all the time,
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: and so like these guys aren't allowed to hit anymore.
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: So that's one of the dying rivalries we see there.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: But also let's get into some of the cornerbacks here.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: You'll know this one, Odell Beckhams Josh Norman. Yeah remember that. Yeah,
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: that was one of the best ones, and that probably
• 57:25
  Speaker 6: won't happen again. These dudes are just scrapping on the field.
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: You have OBJ visibly did not like each other in
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: their prime, OBJ with the blonde mohawk. Josh Norman at
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: that point was probably one of the best corners in
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: the league. Yeah, just going at it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: What's funny is just you know that interaction, Like I
• 57:44
  Speaker 10: feel like, even to this day, I don't even know
• 57:46
  Speaker 10: if they would.
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: Like each other.
• 57:47
  Speaker 10: I think there was just clear hatred on the field.
• 57:51
  Speaker 10: I mean they're throwing each other around like rag dolls.
• 57:53
  Speaker 10: They weren't even playing football. I don't even think Obj
• 57:56
  Speaker 10: had a good game. Oh he had a great game,
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: did he? Yeah, I mean he went on. Norman was
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: just super frustrated about it. But from what I remember,
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: just throwing each other around like like it was nothing.
• 58:09
  Speaker 10: And the amount of flags thrown in that game and
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: amount of times referee to step in was very funny.
• 58:16
  Speaker 9: I mean she scored a touchdown and stepped over him.
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: And then before that we had Andre Johnson Courtland Finnegan
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: where that was a big scrap and I don't know
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: if that was because you know that was that might
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: have been pre red zone. I was watching too many
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: Textans First Titans games at that point. But I do know,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: I do know Audrey Cortland Fittigan was such a pain
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: paid in the in the ass for every receiver in
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: the league that I'm pretty sure some players actually been
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: uh joined together to pay the fine for Andre Johnson
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: because they were like, thank you for doing this.
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I was just absolute leech on the field, would
• 58:50
  Speaker 10: not leave him alone.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: But you know what, like, I'm more of an OBJ
• 58:53
  Speaker 6: guy had uh Audrey Johnson, but I want my cornerback
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: start and stuff like that.
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: So that's where you look at for Niceta.
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: You don't want, but you don't want to get, you get,
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: you don't wan get kicked out of gave.
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: You do a fistfight with Andrew Johnson.
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: You gotta keep your cool. But Chris, that was a
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: quick fun when we got there. Guy others real quick.
• 59:13
  Speaker 10: I had one more in mind, but I literally just
• 59:15
  Speaker 10: left and it's bothered me that I forgot.
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: That's it's gone into the radio universe.
• 59:19
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  Speaker 2: Once we make the pick. Oh you know, take the
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  Speaker 2: gloves off, let's go. Little Trivia's ready picked.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Thursday Trivia Long Night?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Who was it? Who was the intended receiver for Russell
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Wilson's pass that was intercepted by Malcolm Butler in Super
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Bowl forty nine? Cardin Lockett, that's correct. Who scored the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: first Super Bowl points in team history?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Tony Franklin.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: That's right, the only yeah at the time, the only right.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: They only had three points in that game, right, ten.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: He scored the first. It's fifty six to ten, right
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: the late forty four to ten, forty four to ten.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: In eighty six, the Patriots defeated the Los Angeles Rams
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: on a hail Mary pass from Tony Easton for a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: final second thirty to twenty eight win. Who caught that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: winning touchdown pass?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Serving Friar?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, these ones were not fun because like only Paul
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: and you know the answer to.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: These, I dodn't know answer to any of them, well.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Or I knew were cardin Lockett.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Web Radio at Patriots dot com is the email address.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Aaron writes in from Bonnie Dune, Australia. Just wanted to
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: share a bizarre dream I had the other night involving
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: you guys.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Oh cut.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: It mainly featured Mike and Evan from memory, but I'm
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: pretty sure the rest of you were there too. We
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: were all at the draft party when Washington picked May second. Overall,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: I felt sick to my stomach and Mike and Evan
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: went absolutely nuts and started yelling and screaming at everyone
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: like the crazy end of the world preacher.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Did you know that reference sounds like me?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: The season was over now, the team was ruined, and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: the organization had sacrificed the next fifteen years for a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: meaningless win on Christmas. It was such a strange and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: concerning thing to dream about, as I can't decide whether
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I want may or Daniels, and it changes depending on
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: who I listened to. In that a radio show in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: its host would play such a major role, I guess
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: that's what happens when I have spent around fourteen days
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: total last year listening to you. Anyway, till next time,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Thanks for all the great content, and inside really appreciate it.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for the off season topics and stay
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: out of my dreams. I should have had better things
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: going on here, but I don't.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, get out of my dreams, get into my car.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: I see nice that that that's a plausible scenario.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: So Fred, Yeah, you know, the young uns don't know
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: that we often pop up in listeners dreams.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: We have interesting It's true, and I've also shared some
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: dreams that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: I've yes, we don't need to get back into those, okay.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: And then Junior from Canton says that you threw him, Evan,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: you threw him under the bus.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: You throw him some shade. I have no idea what
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: that means.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: He says. I emailed in yesterday for Catch twenty two.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to say that Evan really threw me
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: under the bus. While reading my comment about Jad and Daniels,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I realized it was a long email, but you didn't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: communicate any of my points and made my argument against
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: him sound stupid.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Come so I'll try again. Wrote a column. Do you
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: how much do you want me to?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: He'll summarize it. One six year starter who didn't pop
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: until his last year. That part when he had first
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: round receivers in Linemen that should be a red flag.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Burrow was the exception, not the rule. Two average arm
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: talent who avoids the middle of the field, which is
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: usually code for bad processor. Three. When Daniels uses his legs,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: he never looks to throw, often ignoring wide open receivers
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: and four dynamic runner. But he takes hillacious hits and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: has a small frame.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Well either you really watch the film where he read
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: my film review on Jaden Daniels. But yeah, those are
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: all legitimate concerns that I think everybody has with him.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of stats out there with
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels about how often he either scrambles or takes
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: a sack but doesn't actually make a throw right, like
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: it just in terms of when he gets pressured and
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: he's got to make a decision, his instinct is to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: try to run or escape the sack, and ultimately he
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: either picks up yards with a scramble or he gets sacked. Right.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of concerns with those types of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: things with Jayden Daniels, But I think ultimately, do they
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: outweigh the skill set on the strength side of things
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: so much that you are passing on him, I would
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: say no, But I understand why you would be concerned
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: about him over may or, you know, in this whole conversation,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: But in general, I just think that the talent that
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: he does have is overwhelmingly good. So I don't think
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: that you're gonna sit there and say these are fatal
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: flaws that were passing because of this.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Okay. Colleen writes in about Jaden Daniel's agent We're talking
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: earlier about him liking something about not liking what the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: commanders did. He said the agent liked the comment, saying
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: that he only tweeted the Florial video because he was
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: disagreeing with the take.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: That's called putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: But he liked. He also liked the comment that was
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: saying basically, who the f cares how they interact with
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: players that won't they won't play with, and that no
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: companies do that. I think he does hate what Washington did,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: but wanted to cover himself by liking a comment that
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: he was actually disagreeing with the take and not with
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: what Washington did.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: He caught he quote tweeted Florio's rant about how stupid
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: it was with the thinking face emoji. How is that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: code for I disagree with this?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: It was? It is odd.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: Don't you think that an organization would have four guys
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: in it once at the same position?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: It was odd, Like, Okay, you're overthinking this, You're trying
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: to be cute and do it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Chris Simas made the point, it's like, you know they'll
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: never all be together again.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, I think their point is who was the alpha.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent like I got honey mustard. Sorry, guy,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: get that tide pan out.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the type?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree with you, Fred dan Quinn.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: He might he was a decent coach with the Falcons,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: and maybe he's a decent coach again with the Commanders,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: But what a hard oh walk. He just walks around
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: with the backwards hat all the time, and now he's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: doing this to do exactly what Fred just said.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I don't trust. I don't trust any grown man who
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: walks around with backward caps. I don't even like tennis
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: players who wear the cap backward deuce.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: And I saw him in the airport in Indie on
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: the way back from the combine with a backwards hat.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: It's not so, it's not just for show.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? Like grow up? You know,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: like you know your skateboard days are gone, they're behind you.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: You're just anti backward hat? Yeah, yeah, ungrown men.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Like if kids want to wear an eighth grader, okay,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: but you're a grown man, wear the cap right, it's
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: got a brim for a reason. If you don't like
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the brim, you know, don't wear a cap. I don't
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: I don't like it either, but just busting the jumps, okay, Boomer.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: He said that Ramon in Tampa has a question, when
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: did the Brady Peyton? Right, I've already really start. My
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: understanding is that Brady wasn't Brady until later in his career.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: So when was it a must schedule in tune in
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: rivalry nor?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: I think four? Yeah, so three was the first playoff
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: game they beat him.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Patriots beat him in three, and then you
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: know it was I think it was on at that point.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know it's it's fair to say
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: it was Brady Peyton, but really it was Belichick Peyton.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it was Belichick's defenses that were giving. Wasn't
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Peyton manning fits?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: What was it the Patriots like beating him thirty eight
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: thirty four on a regular No, but you.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Know ty Law with you know, three interceptions and all,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and you know, in.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Willie's goal right in the thirty eight thirty four game,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: that's exactly the game I was thinking.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Polion complaining that the defenders are you know, too handsy
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: and trying to change the roles the Polion.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: He calls him, Okay, I just want to make sure
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: that the listeners knew who we were talking about.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: Now, believe me, they know because this is not new.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: But his whole thing. Poland used to call him the Patriots. Yeah,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: he referred to him as the Patriots. So that was
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: that was Fred's wade.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to call us the correct name.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, I do not like the person, but I respect
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: the ability. Just built three championship caliber teams.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what he has. He's right about that.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't like him.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: I like him. I don't like him. I don't like him.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: I don't like his act.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know if that's really what he is
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: or if it's like some kind of tough guy act
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: that he persona that he tries to portray.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: I don't like that.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget O. Six after they beat us in
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the AFC Championship, him running down the hallway, this is
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: our time. The Patriots had their time, this is our time.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: And he's like yelling, and it's like it's like we
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: you know, we owned him, you know, we own space
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: in his head.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like that when he came out, didn't he
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: come out and say that they had like a really
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: high grade on Brady in the draft.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Oh I think he did.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: I don't recall him.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Why did you take him?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: That was they had Manning.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: But but that but that was when he officially.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Take him in the fifth round.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: If he's so good, that's when he officially lost me
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, yeah, you're the one. You know,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: you're the one that didn't you know, saw him as
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: a second round pick when everybody else thought he was
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: a Day three. See.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: I generally that's how I feel about all those guys
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: that come out and I tell you I dismiss all
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: of it. Oh you're yeah, you you thought he was
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: better than everybody else. Oh how did his career? Oh
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: he's the best that ever played. Like if you tell
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: me that you had a higher grade on I don't
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: know Zach Robinson than anybody else.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Who's Zach Robinson? Yeah?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, so now at least you being honest, like I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: tell you right, Like I like David Terrell over Richard Seymour,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Like I tell you the ones that I miss just
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: as much as I tell you the ones I hit.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it's like Peter King, you know, when he
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: was retiring from s I and talking about you know,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: the missus he's had, and like they're these like missus
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: like anyone could have.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Right, Remember, like the things that he was supposed to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: be making fun of himself were nothing that anybody would
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: be even wasting an ounce of sleepover, right, losing an
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: ounce of sleepover. Just it's not that hard to just say,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: you get some right, you get some wrong when you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: make when you get them wrong, Like this Adam Schefter
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: thing that was that on air or off he still eating.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: No, we didn't talk about it now.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: Right, No, like evidently schefter. Evan said he saw a
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: tweet from Schefter.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: He's kind of.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: Walking back the definitive nature of Daniels to Washington at
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: number two.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I was just about to reach okay, go ahead, yeah
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: uh Floyd and Redford, Michigan, even after Adam Schefter telling
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Commander Fans that it's safe to purchase a jade and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jersey, Daniel Jeremiah is personally leaning toward Washington, selecting
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Drake May In all three of his previous mod dress
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah has May going number two and Daniel's going number three.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Conspiracy theory, is it possible that Washington is trying to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: pull the Jason Tatum trade down. Is it possible that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Washington is trying to get the Patriots to trade up
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: to number two for Daniels knowing that they have preferred
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: May the whole time.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know why there has to be a conspiracy, Yeah,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: I mean at two, when you're at two, I don't
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: know why you have to be like trying to foster
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: a conspiracy.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I still just don't understand that piece of it,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: like the commanders moving around the board now to still
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: get the quarterback that they want like the Celtics did
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: with Tatum. I just I don't really understand that. One
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: I don't see the logic is.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: The point that they're trying to get the Patriots to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: think that they want May. Right, So if that's it,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: they're trying to get the Patriots think they want, they're
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: gonna take Daniels. But if the Patriots wanted Daniels, they'll
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: trade up, yeah to get.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: Daniels or May. Yeah, same thing.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: Like, it doesn't make any sense to me because in.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Other words, they think they know who the Patriots want,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: and they want the Patriots to think in order to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: get that have to trade up the spot.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: But if they're willing to trade, then they don't want
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: them exactly right. That's why I just don't think it
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: works when you when it's the same guy, it doesn't work.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: But now, if you want to tell me, I know
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: Minnesota loves Drake May, Okay, that makes sense, I'm willing.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: I don't need Drake May, so I'll trade with Minnesota.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: But that doesn't make any sense for the Patriots.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah's had Drake May as his number two quarterback
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: the wire to wire, like the entire process. So I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: think to him, he's just thinking. I don't have any
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: inside information on the Commanders necessarily, but I just can't
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: imagine that they're just going to pass on the second
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: best quarterback in the draft for no I agree.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: And the part that I found interesting was I a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: chefter starting to walk it back, you know, well that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: was just my opinion. Well, no, you're telling fans that
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: they should, you know, feel safe to go buy a
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels Jersey.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I's only I said this before about Schefter. When
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: he's giving his opinion, he has to be clear because
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: we all assume that we all assume that his opinion
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: is based on knowledge that he has, right, you know.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: And but my point is when you come out and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: you emphatically say the Patriots wouldn't trade Jimmy Garoppolo for
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: four first round picks, right, that's not your opinion, right,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: and we understand you're only as good as the information
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: you get. I don't think that he made that up.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: I think the Patriots said, under no circumstances we trade
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: in Garoppolo, right, and then things changed, so they you
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: know whatever. So instead of saying, like, well, it's just
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: my opinion, the same thing with this, like I have
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: no doubt that someone in Washington definitively told them they're
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: taking Daniels and now he's probably getting nervous about it. Yeah,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: and he's trying to cover his tracks. There's no harm
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: in that. Like, no one's going to all of a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: sudden say, well, jeez, when does Schefter get it right? No,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: he gets it right over ninety percent of the time.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: He's as good at that stuff as anybody.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Yep, Barton Poland, I know the question is more suited
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: for Barth, but I listened to Cast twenty two on demand.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Are we seriously saying that Penix without the injuries, is
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: a top five pick, because all the draft experts like
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Brugler seem to be saying that he is a second
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: to third round talent on tape alone without accounting for injuries,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: but will be probably drafted in the first.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, Brugler, his grade isn't impacted by
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: the injuries. Yes, that's totally unfair. Yeah, so Brugler graded
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: him as like a second third round prospect with the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: whole thing.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: But based on his tape. But like his tape is
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: impacted by the injuries, right right, that's not fair.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: It's not him saying based off of talent alone, Pennix
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: is a second round pick, third round pick. Now, Barth
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: is of the thinking that if the Patriots do not
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: take Pennix early, that he's gonna go in the teams
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: to one of the quarterback needy teams like the Raiders
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: or the Vikings, you know, one of those types of teams.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: And I just push back. You know, we had a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: classic debate that neither one of us is gonna budge
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: on and I just with the injury history, I just
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: can't imagine a team is going to take a chance
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: on a quarterback that has that kind of injury history
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: that early, you know, early second round pick is one thing,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: but to take a guy that's had four season ending
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: injuries with the sixth overall pick if you're the New
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: York Giants is just I can't get there, Like, I
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: just can't imagine that the team would do that. So
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: we were talking about trade down scenarios, and I was saying,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: I'd be cool with Penis being their pick if he's
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: not the first pick they make in the draft. If
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: they trade down from three to eleven with the Vikings
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: and they take Roma Dunza at eleven and then they
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: take Pennix at twenty three, then I'm cool with that,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: but I'm not doing the reverse. And he said, well,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: then you're not gonna get Penis, And I was like, okay,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, but you also have to be okay
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: with that. Like I like Panis, but I don't love
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: them like the other guys. Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Yep, Anthony writes in and where is he from? Doesn't say,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: oh Seattle. With one week remaining before the draft, I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to throw my preference out there. I've reached the
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: point similar to deuce where I'm all in on May
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: or else trade down. If Daniels is there at three
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: and they take him, I could get myself excited about
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: the abilities. But if it was my choice, I would
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: want to trade back to six with the Giants and
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: get the extra picks. Then, assuming they take Daniels, I'll
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: take the remaining player out of allt Harrison or neighbors.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yeah, I mean I do think that because
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: my preference induces preference. This whole time has been May,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: We've kind of cooled a lot of people off on
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, like by you know, stake almost you know,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: I I think that, you know, Jayden Daniels is a
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: is a really talented prospect, and and a lot of people,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: you know, these consensus boards that come out or you know,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: we pulled ten league executives and this was their rankings
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks, A lot of it has has Jayden. Two.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Let me ask a question, but like by micro in
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: the same tim.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: If you were like a league executive and one of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: these places called, would you give them the time of day?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Who's calling?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, like if like like you know, Jeremy Taller
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: calls or you know, any of these people doing polls.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, no, I would. I would call that. I would,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: I would be I would take part in that.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: You would?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, why because when I'm out of a job, it
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: helps to have those guys, Okay, trumpeting on my behalf.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: That's not I'm sorry on my behalf.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess that's a good point.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I would.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: Paul's a good guy.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily, you know, be eager to get
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: back to Paul Perillo if I you know, if I
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: was chiming in, I can't do anything for him.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: But like those national guys when they put together their
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: you know, uh rising Star every December, you see these names,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: and half of them, you know, if you're looking at him,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: you don't even know who they are. Yeah, And I
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: think to myself, well, that's one of anonymous gms. That's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: when a follow is an anonymous decision maker. Yeah, that's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: how it works.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: But it just seems like there's no shortage of these
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: guys willing to take part in these little off the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: record polls and surveys, and well.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: It is off the record, so I guess there's really
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: no threat.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Right, but like I'm like, yeah, I'm busy, I don't know.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I also really like so Bob McGain every year writes
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: like the dirt on on the prospects, like what's the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: real dirt on some of these guys, And he's usually
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: pretty spot on, And there'll be guys that will just
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: randomly fall in the draft. On draft weekend we're all like,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: how is this guy still on the board? Dwan Jones like,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: how is this guy still on the board? And McGinn
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: would have had, you know, a week ago that the
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: guy you know would rather be playing basketball and doesn't
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: give a crap about football, you know, like stuff like that.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: And so you know, there was some stuff in there
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: about my guy, Adie Mitchell being kind of a you know,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: hot and cold in terms of his personality and you know,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: his effort level and things like that. And Jermaine Burton,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: one of your guys, was in there about uh, you know,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: his off the field transgression.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: So let's see wide receiver from Alabama. Yeah, I mentioned
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: him first.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we talked about him on the draft countdown pot.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: But oh, okay, this is months ago. Believe me, I'm
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: the wide receiver whisperer in this room.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, did you have last year? I forget, I forget
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: I had slave Bolden. No, but I have, I have.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: I have a good history.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: Of See this is this is unfortunate because I can't
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: make fun of you this year because the guy that
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: you fall in love with that has no talent actually
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: has talent.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: And I fell in love with him.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: Conky is a good last year. I like him.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm a little bit intrigued with Johnny Wilson.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: I know I like that from you too, paus out
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: because of the body type.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: But I just want to see what he can do.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: He's I just think he'll be a tight end before
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: he's an enigma.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: If you can catch what you call him, you can
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: call him a you know, uh, extra lineman. If he's
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: catching balls, then.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: Well, if you were an extra alignment, I'd be interested
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: in I'm serious. If he's I'd be interested in him.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure he can't wide receiver.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: When you pull up his bio and you see six
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: six two and thirty pounds, you're thinking yourself, all right,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: this is gonna be like Kelvin Benjamin. You know it's
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: gonna be a guy that's just gonna post heize people.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Another guy who was good for like two years.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: He's nothing like that.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: See, people are gonna think, oh, you just read that.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: And now I remember him when BC played them, and
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing him in the end zone. I'm like,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: who the hell is that guy.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big dude, but he can move.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: There's something to be said for the all airport guys,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: you know, the guys that are impressive in a suit.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: He can move. It's saying I have never had the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: all airport that killed me the arrival.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: I've never heard that.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I'll give you your flowers.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: The all airport guy in this draft, for sure isms
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: Georgia Like he comes off the bus out man and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: you're just like, holy crap, I am not messing with
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: the quarterback today.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: You know, I think DeAndre Sway is also an airport guy.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but dev Andre's sweat also likes to drink a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: little too much, so you know, there's some concerns though.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Chad in Atlanta, I could have read this vague answer incorrectly. Sorry,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I could have read this incorrectly. But when asked whether
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: you stay at three or move somewhere. Do you feel
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: like a quarterback has to be the pick? Elliott Will
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: said no, So it seems like they may not be
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: all in on a quarterback, even if it's in a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: later round, which is kind of alarming but could also
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: be a smoke screen.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that all everything that he's he's trying
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: to cast as wide to have a net as possible
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: right now so that you can't read too many tea
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: leaves about the things, and he wants.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: To leave all options open for other teams. Yeah, you know,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: like Dradd said, if somebody calls offering a bag, well listen.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: Do you think they'll offer this bag like the day
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: before the draft or they'll actually wait until the.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Thing that's interesting is that historically speaking, those major move
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: ups would have already happened, you know, like the ones
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: like going from eleven to three, you know from Minnesota.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Those deals would have already happened. But I think this
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: draft is unique because of everybody's got these quarterbacks stacked differently.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: So like if the Commanders and everybody knows that Caleb's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: going to the Bears, but if the Commanders end up
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: taking Jaden and the Vikings really like May or they
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: end up taking May and you know, the Giants really
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: like Jaden like it.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: But in terms of strategy though, especially in the first
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: round high if I'm the team wanting to move up
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: and I've got the bag to offer, I think I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: wait until Draft day because if I tell them what
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: my bag is the day before, now they have time
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: to shop that around. But if I do it on
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Draft Day, they're under the gun. And if I think
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: the bag really is an amazing offer, I want the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: pressure on them to have to say yes.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: So I think there's to me, there's value in if
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: I'm the team moving up waiting so that they don't.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: They can't counter my they can't go shop it around
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: and do better.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: I mean when the forty nine ers moved up for
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Trey Lance, that happened like a couple weeks before the draft.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Elliott just talked about it, right so the BYU Pro day. Yeah,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: So like those types of moves usually, if it's that
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: big of a jump, that usually happens before.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Robin the cat Skills just wondering what if, after all
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: the Patriots evaluation they really want Panix, what would their
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: draft look like? Where would they take him, and what
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: else would they need to surround him with? So then
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: that's an absolute trade down. That's how I look at yeah,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna be able to get him mid first
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: round pretty much for sure.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I would probably try to trade down
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: with Minnesota at that point and get eleven and twenty three,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: and then if you really have to move back up
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: from twenty three, then you just got this bag of
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: assets to maybe make a three or four pick move
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: up to move up instead of just having thirty four
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: to move up. Now you have you can move up
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: from twenty three. Whole nother pick. Yeah.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Kyle rights in from Pembroke. A couple questions on the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: draft three Actually one, who do you think are the
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: best fits for the Patriots at tight end on Day three?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: This would have to be an Evan question.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: So the titands in this draft are a pick your
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: flavor thing.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: After Brock Bars, I was gonna say, after Barros, when's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: the next the next tight end could be?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Win?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: I would say probably third. You know, Jatavian Sanders probably
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: goes in the second round, and then you know a
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: couple guys in like the third or fourth round and
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: then late, you know, flyers late.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't not just because the class isn't great.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not big on tight end and like, so, okay,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: so you take a fifth round tight end, what does
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: that mean?
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Nothing?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the ones that help your tight end
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: depth chart the one thing that it might help. And
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: this is why I said it was a flavor draft.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: It's because there are there's guys that are you know,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Jahem Bell, Dalen Hooker, those are kind of those h back,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: you know, move tight end types. But then there's a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: guy like Tip Raymond who is a hand in the dirt,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: sixth offensive lineman, like a two hundred and seventy.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Five, and this offense they might need that.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: So that's where if you're looking for how could that
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: guy help, it's situationally, right, he's he's your blocking tight
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: end on the goal line, he's your third down blocking
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: tightand on third and one, you know, he's this week,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: this game plan, we want to come out and we
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: want to run the ball. You know, he's on the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: field to help block. So I think that some of
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: these guys that are going to be more receiving tight
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: ends later on in the draft probably don't make much
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: sense with Hunter Henry still around, but maybe a guy
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: like Tip Raymond or the A. J. Barner from Michigan.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: Those guys are you know, six six to fifty plus,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: you know, blocking type of guys.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Right, And I would just take one of those guys
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: that's a diamond dozen sitting around right now and just
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: sign him and then have him do that and not.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Wayte perfectly fair. I think you know Raymond to me,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: if you want to look at like, what what could
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: he you know, Farah Brown, you know, like that type,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: that type of guy, perfect example.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: I wish we could have kept him, honestly.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's guys like that that are easily available. Yeah,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: and I think you could get some depth at other
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: spots that you need, you know, in those And listen,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you like, well, you can't the fifth
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: round pick, it's so valuable, That's not what I mean.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: I'm saying you can get offensive linemen.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: And you know, yeah running backs in.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Those in those rounds, and you get a running back
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: in those rounds that that might be able to be
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: a bigger need for you.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Ye, are there any true free safeties that you guys
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: would like the Patriots to target.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: There are two free safeties in this draft, which is
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: not normally the case recently because of the way a
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: college game plays nowadays. But you know, I really like
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: kayaln Bullock from USC, but he's probably gonna be a
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Day two pick, like you're gonna have to use a
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: top one hundred to get him.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: There's some other guys though, that I think could be interesting.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: You know Taylor Demerson. I always butcher his name because
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: it's like ten syllables. He's an interesting guy too, from
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech. He can play the deep middle this draft.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: You know Cam Kitchens from Miami. They this is one
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: of the few drafts in recent years that I can
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: remember where a mid round pick like Deron Harmon, third round,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: fourth round guy. There actually are some center fielders in
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: this draft.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: How many defensive picks do you think the Patriots will take?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: The answers too?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I was gonna say too, yeah, your answers too? Yeah?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: Oh I like that.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't think too too many anyway.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: But Alec writes in Elec Baldwin, No, what's Guenness? I signed?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: Was Alec? Remember they had the friend Alec and he
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: kept saying his name.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. No, all right, never mind, I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: don't remember that one.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm oh, what was his last name?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: He was like Alec buh Berg maybe or something like that.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: I don't remember that anyway. A big fan of the show.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm excited the draft is finally a week away. I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: want May. I feel like he has the most room
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: to grow. He's young, and his build and ability to
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: outweigh any other prospect. In my opinion, if the Patriots
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: do go with McCarthy, do you think they draft him
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: at three or do you see them being able to
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: move back and say six or seven and grab him.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it, but I just don't think
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: you can pass up on May. Also, I think Osborne
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: is an underrated signing and I see him catching six
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: to seven touchdowns this year. In the wide receiver room,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: who do you see making the team? Taekwon needs to go.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: I would love a world where Taekwan and you do
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: you both go, and Kashan all three of them can go,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: And especially because if you take two wide receivers in
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: this draft, there probably are going to walk in and
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: be better than both Taekwon and Juju and Kishon Booty,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: So I could.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: Do without those three hotly.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Born, Douglas and Osbourne are the only
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: guys that I look at that have roster spots. Yeah,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: at receiver. Right now, they probably draft at least one
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: for the others in the in the hat. And you know,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: if that one that you draft is at thirty four
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: or whatever, then he's a lock to make the team too. Yeah,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: so now you're really only talking about maybe one or
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: two spots for Tamara's group. Yep.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Uh Noah lives in Pennsylvania. He says, I, like all
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: of Patriot's Nation, want a wide receiver one. AJ Brown
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: changed his profile picture to Brady on Instagram. He wants
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: to be a Patriot so bad we draft him, Brady
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: stays and we probably win at least one more ring
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: love the show and thank you for all for everything
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: you do. Excited for the draft and next season. So
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: he needs that wide.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: They drafted AJ Brown and nineteen. I don't think they
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: would have won another title. Certainly wouldn't have meant that
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: Brady had to leave after the nineteen season.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Well did he say they win a title or did
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: he say that Brady wouldn't have.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Left, and they don't they would he but I think
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: it's definitely fair to say that Brady wouldn't have left
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: right away.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: It'd be so exciting if someone like I don't know
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: what the Bengals would want to trade up for and
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: give T Higgins, but if we can get T Higgins
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: and solve a wide receiver one problem, I'd rather have Auk.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: Really, it would be so exciting to me. As exciting
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: as that would be, I feel like it would be
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: more exciting to hit on it in the draft because
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: it's just like finally, like finally you took a swing
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: out of wide receiver in the draft high and he's
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: he's a J. Brown, you know, like he's Debo, he
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: is Terry McLaurin, Like he's one of those guys. I
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: just the talent is there's so much talent every year
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: that comes through at that position in the draft. Yeah,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: And to just be one of these teams that is
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: like a blind squirrel, like trying to look around for
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: it is just so frustrating. Like it's every year there's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: ten guys that can play in the draft, like just
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: go find one. Yep.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: I think they have to go find one and be
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: able to develop one. The develop mint part has been
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: so difficult for whatever reason. Couldn't identify the reason today
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: for whatever reason is they can't develop one. So that's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: that's the concern.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm hopeful that with Taekwon Underwood on staff.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: You know, he's one of those guys that's done a
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: lot of those like private like coaching type stuff. You know,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: before he got back into full time coaching. Scott Peters
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: to their offensive line coach, another one of those guys.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: But you know, Underwood's been one of those like footworking
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: type of people. You know, Troy Brown I think is
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: conceptually probably a very good coach, but when it came
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: to like teaching techniques and route running and stuff, you
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that just like understands, you know,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: how to teach those types of movements. And I hope
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: that Underwood can do that.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Yep, I heard if you sign up for one of
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: his private clinics you get a free haircut. That's that's included.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: He still has the same air cut, does it really?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Yeahs Fade, he still has its.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Jack and and Auber about developing wide receivers. He says
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: one reason the Patriots have not done a good job
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: of developing receivers is that wide receivers are commonly pre Madonna's,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: and Belichick had no tolerance for Prima Donna's. I suspect
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: that Belichick was extra hard on wide receivers who acted
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: like Prima Donna's. Consequently, the players didn't develop because they
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: didn't get the nurturing they needed.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: I think they didn't develop because they couldn't play.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he I think instead, I think there's
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: some truth to what he's talking about. I think he
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: doesn't love that position. Because of that, and because of that,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: he stays away from those kinds of guys, although you
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: know he's not afraid to bring in like chad Ocho Cinco,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: who is as big a diva wide receiver as there ever.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: It was right in the league.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: I feel like you can say the same thing about
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: corners too and look at Sauce like, yeah, so, I
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: don't know, I feel but those guys are really talented.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: Sauce is really good.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: He likes cornerback, he brought in, he brought in Revas,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: he brought in Gilmore, and he brought he likes the
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: he likes the corner, and he.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Brought in the kid from the Buccaneers mid season.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: You have a good example, Freddie, would you bring in
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: a guy like OBJ in his prime?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but is too much of a diva? I think
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: they I think I think they would have brought I
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: think like there's some exceptions to the rule, for loss
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: being one of them, you know, like, if you're that good,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: I think he would have made exceptions to it. I
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: think corner is just simply like he knows his defense
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: is a complete without a shutdown corner, and he likes
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: that position. I think that one.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: And I I heard someone talking about this over the weekend.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: You know, in today's NFL, that wide receiver spot has
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: become like huge, Yeah, and I think even ten years
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: ago it wasn't that big.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a premium position.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: It's changed into a real premium spot. And I don't
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: think Bill thinks that way.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a quarterback, receiver, tackle, pass rusher are now even
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: more so than corner. I would say, like the true
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: premium premium positions in the league.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: But it's weird.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: I feel like if I was Bill, I'm like, there's
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: no way you could look at this roster and think
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: like something isn't missing, because like when you look at
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: everyone else's tape, and every week we get into the
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: locker room and we ask the guys, you know, when
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: you're looking at the tape, like who stands out? They're
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: always picking out like Diggs justin Jefferson obj when you
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: know he was great. But if you ask the other
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: team about our locker room or who are you saying
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: right right? There's no one to say right.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: I agree, So they're easy.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: There's something, there's something, there's something missing. The star is missing.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Kings and Queens of all media and soakers and sniffers
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: of all corks. Greeting from hutch and Maine, longtime listener
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: over two decades. There you go, thank you, welcome back.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Just finished watching The Dynasty and I have a question.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: What do you think would have happened if RKK had
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: kept TV twelve at quarterback instead of Belichick as the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: head coach at the Fateful Meeting Robert described with Tommy
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: and Giselle in eighteen Would the New England Patriots have
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: won another Super Bowl? Would tom who would have replaced
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Bill at that time? Other ripple butterfly effects throughout the universe.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: So if he had gone with Tom and said Bill,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: you're done at that time, what would have happened.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know who's the coach.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. Was he still with them at the time, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: it could have been Mayo.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: Too early, right, too early, probably McDaniels.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Probably McDaniels. So now or Patricia, you know Tom loves Josh,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: so you know Josh's so.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Who told you Tom loves Josh.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: I thought they got along really well together.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think that they hate each other or
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: anything like that. Everyone at the end here, I'm not
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: sure that, like, I'm not sure that that was a
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: great relationship. I don't think it was like deteriorated like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: Bill and Tom did. But I'm not sure that that
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: would have.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Been Like I thought that they had a good rule.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that they have a bad relationship.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: I just don't think that it's accurate to say, well,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: Tom loves Josh. I don't necessarily think that's accurate. Okay, Anyways,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: it would make sense some things I've heard the head coach,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: Tom stays, now you have your offensive minded head coach,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe they would win.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: I think they could have sold that on to win.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were not gonna win anything else unless they
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: had a dramatic change in their personnel department.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Well that would be dramatic. Bill gone.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well they haven't had a dramatic change in the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: personnel department now when Bill's gone.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: But Josh would be the head coach and he would
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: bring in other people.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe, I'm sure Dave Ziegler probably.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say it didn't go very well
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: when that combination was in place in Vegas.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: To be fair, I don't think that. I think Dave
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: Ziegler kind of got an unfair shake out of that
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: whole thing in Vegas because he was so connected to Josh.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: They were kind of a package deal. It really just
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: sounds like Josh loast locker room, and like the guys
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: just kind of hated playing for him, whereas like the
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: talent on the team was like not that bad when
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: you really look at the roster, like especially at the top.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, they had Crosby and Adams and like, you know,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: they had some good players.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: Like it just now, I was told that there was
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: a big problem in that Ziegler did not want to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: sign Jimmy and Josh insisted on that signing and that
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously didn't work in terms of the locker room.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: It was described to me as the problem being Josh
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: was very tough on the players, you know, in terms
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: of evaluations, but not like it was coaching, not like
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: you know, I know this because I you know, I'm
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: arrogant and I won all these Super Bowls with New England,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: but like when he would watch film and he'd break
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: down film and he would point out mistakes by guys,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: and they were very put off by that. So part
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: of it is like another example of the new age
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: players with the you know, kind of an old school coach.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: Josh comes from the Bill Tree, you know, where it
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: was Johnny Foxborough and you know could have made that pass.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: Me and Ernie could have made that playing right.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: So I do think that that Evan's right there was
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: part of that is on the players with the Raiders,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: and I don't think it was an overly talented roster.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: They had high end talent that that Josh definitely that
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: Evan just mentioned. But the quarterback thing undoes it, like
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: it undoes a.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Lot of things, and who knows how accurate this is,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: but rumor has it is that Dave Ziegeler wanted to
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: trade up to the number one overall pick and take CJ. Stroud,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: that he had an affinity in the draft for Stroud.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: The Bears were obviously selling the pick, and he wanted
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: to make the trade up. And Josh wanted Jimmy. Wow,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: that's at least what the Raiders people would tell.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Jimmy's a coach killer.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: The Jimmy part of that I got. I'm pretty pretty
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: confident that that's true. Okay, Josh wanted Jimmy. Ziegler did
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: not want.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Connor from Narragansett rites in wanted to see what
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: you guys think would be more likely. One trade up
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: from thirty four, trade down from thirty four, or trade
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: up from sixty eight.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: I'd say trade up from thirty four.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of my instinct too.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be a run on tactical and some of
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: those really truly day one IMPAC receivers could go at
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: the end of the first round. Two. You know Texas
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: kids Brian Thomas Junior, Lad McConkey, and I could see
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: them saying, why don't we just jump up five spots
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: here and get them before the day two starts. Whatever.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: There's more of whatever that you know in the teams
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: is going to be a run on one of those spots,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: and whichever one it is, Patriot should go the other way,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: trade up and get the other position.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, let's see Jeffrey from Canada, right sin
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: he said seven.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: More sleeps, blame Canada.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: I have two questions. Give me a percentage or odds
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: that the Patriots shock us and do something completely unexpected.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: For example, Roger Goodell goes up to the podium and says,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: with the third pick the new woman, Patriots select Joe
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Alt or Harrison or neighbors. Like, what would shock you?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: That wouldn't None of that would shock me. I'm not
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: expecting it, but no neighbors would shock me. And I
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: love neighbors. But I don't think he's would shock I
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: think his point is, you're taking a non quote.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would shock me if they stay at three
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: and take and don't take a quarterback.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah it would.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: I mean it would surprise me. I'm not going to
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: be disingenuous. It would surprise I think they're taking a
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: quarterback at three, But I would not be shocked if
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: they don't. I would say, like a a.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: Trade up, like a substantial one would would.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: Shock me at three like that they're trading up and
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: they're going and get Caleb Williams.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Or something like that.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: That would truly shock me.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: So that's like so off the board for me that,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: like I was more thinking they trade up from thirty
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: four to have like true two true first round picks,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: like not like from thirty four to thirty one. But
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: you could see that happening. Yeah, But like I mean
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: from like thirty four to like in the teens, they're like,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: you know, to get one of these these receivers, you know,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: get so.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: Then you're you're giving up a pick from next year.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like giving up like a substantial haul to Yeah,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: that would be my most.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: Shocking thing that could happen on Draft night is Harbaugh
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: going after his guy and we getting Justin Herbert.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: That would be just Shaka. That'd be crazy, Uh spiing
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Fresno Fred It's Alec bug. That's what I thought.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Could it be that the current someone would write in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Could it be that the current regime puts so much
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: of the offensive problems on Bill that they might actually
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: discount the importance of drafting offensive talent.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: So someone like, you know, we're fine.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, someone tweeted that to me because I put the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: comment about the the NFL, like we have we feel
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: like we have NFL players in all those spots, and
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: someone's like, you know, it's hard to blame Bill for
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: all the shortcomings of the roster and then not do
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: anything about the roster, right.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: You know, But I don't. I don't think they're not
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: doing anything about it, are they of the I don't
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: think it's necessarily blaming Bill. I think it's more blaming
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: mac Jones. Like if they they truly feel like their
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: quarterback play last year was so abysmal that they're going
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: to draft one of these quarterbacks and it's going to
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: be so much better that all of a sudden, Kendrick
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: Bourne and Pop Douglas and Hunter Henry and all these guys,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: just would that scare you though?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: That's what we thought from.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: It, that's their mindset. Yeah, absolutely would too. But if
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: they think, if their mindset is more we're gonna draft
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: Drake May and we're gonna draft a big time receiver
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: and both of those guys are going to come in
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: together and elevate the entire thing, and that I think
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: is justifiable. But just thinking the quarterback is going to
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: do it alone, it's crazy.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this team is more than a quarterback away from
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: being great.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Yep, Colleen says, I forget where in the press conference.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: I'd have to rewatch it. But if I recall correctly,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: at one point, when Wolfe was referencing the first pick
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: in relation to the next picks, he almost said the quarterback.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being conspirator, conspiratorial and this didn't happen, but
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like it did, and we'll rewatch. I don't
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: recall that, but I had this ac fan blowing in
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: my head.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't recall that part either. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: mean I didn't. I didn't catch anything like that.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. Claire writs in Hello everyone, Hello Marine, even though
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: he's not here, If Evan is there, he is. I
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: know his answer from my a clear perspective pod.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: Would you on that? Yeah? Recently?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, but he may be able to articulate this
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: question further. Do you all believe that the Patriots would
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: have to draft differently on their other draft picks if
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: they were to take Daniels versus May. So does that
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: who they picked there dictate later drafts.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Basically we talked about the type of receiver that
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: you would ideally like to pair with each quarterback, you know,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: just in terms of skill set. That was what the
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: question was.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: So do you do you think there would be like
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: a dramatic difference or just like the individual player.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: I think there would be a dramatic Probably not, but
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: I do think there would be a difference. Yeah, Like
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: I think this is probably fair. A guy like Drake May,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: you probably want that big outside X with speed that
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: has a catch radius because he's not going to be
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: pinpoint accurate all the time. So you need somebody that's
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: going to be able to make some catches, the acrobatic catches,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: you know, catches outside his frame every once in a while.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: With Jayden Daniels, it's all about speeding the slot, Like
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: you gotta get that Molik neighbor.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: What about lineman type of player? You need a different
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: type of line, h you know, line for each guy.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: I tend to think no on that one. I'm more
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: think about the receivers. And you know, with Jaden Daniels,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: he loves to throw those slot faites like the vertical
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: routes from inside the formation. So if you don't have
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: a guy that can consistently win on that route, you know,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: that's his route. You know, that's what he threw to
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Thomas and neighbors probably twenty five thirty percent of the
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: time last year. So getting a guy like that, you know,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily need to have, you know, have the
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: largest catch rates in the world. Doesn't need to be
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: six foot three, but he needs to be able to
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: win over the top like that.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: wants to know when are we having the r lads
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: argument this year?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: It'll probably come up, Yeah, I would say, probably uh Friday, Yeah.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, probably Tuesday. I'll bring the book and then we'll
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: somebody will say it's.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: Our lads, our.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: No it isn't. See he just asked, and we have
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: it Lee right sin He says, I'm really excited about
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: the draft. We've had the Bill and Tom Era and
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: how fantastic that was. We tried the veteran route with
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: the with a former MVP to find out he didn't
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: have anything left. We tried a first round pick and
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: that didn't work out. We've now got a new chapter
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: to start, and I have everything crossed for us. You've
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: talked about quarterbacks being overdrafted. I understand what was being said,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: but it's hardly surprising. You can't sit back and wait
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: to see what's left whilst others are overpaying unless you
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: want to find the shelf bear or only damage goods left.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: Not that I care what the Jets do, but is
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: there any history of a bad quarterback like Wilson? Seems
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: to be being that behind a veteran and then coming
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: good in the future. In other words, a guy as
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: bad as Wilson, did anybody ever resurrect themselves and have
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: a good career?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: A really good question. Smith. Yeah, I mean, I don't
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: know if he was as bad. I mean, I think
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good Uh. He's right now as
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: the poster child for flamed out early, came back years
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: later and thrived.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: I guess probably not as bad as Wilson. But I
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: was going to say Baker Mayfield in terms of like, yeah,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: a little bit surprising to see that he's I.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: Mean, I would say that his best year was in
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: Cleveland still, but I really thought it was better than
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: I think last year he was so overblown it was ridiculous.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: He's just sticking to a tape.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: I thought he's really good. Yeah, I'll say this. I'll
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: say this. I thought he was really good. Good for
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: the league. I thought he was I thought he was
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: really good in the playoffs.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: Does that count? Yeah, yeah, I think he I thought
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: he was really good in the playoff games. I don't
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: think he played like that during the season. Okay, I mean,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: I mean they were a five hundred team.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: Fred like it is what it is. He did well,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: they want a terrible division. They were better with Baker
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: than they were with Brady the year before.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: I would say the same, but their record was better.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: They sucked.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the division was worse Okay, Baker Bay. But that's
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: why I you know, Fred actually agreed with just another
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: adda of boy I got. I want no part of Brady,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: like this whole like coming back thing.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: So I heard you on with Beatle and Matt McCarthy,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: who was a f thought that I like fell Melody
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: Fellow bomber by the way, Matt McCarthy, Oh yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: we went to all went to Ithaca together. But when
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: they like jumped down your throat about that. I I
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: was team ball. I was like, this is this is crazy.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: They don't understand, like they want to be snark which,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: you know, far be it for me to criticize someone
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 4: for being snarky. But they don't like understand the point,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: Like they're like, oh, why would we want to win games?
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it's not necessarily about the record. Is your
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: team getting any closer to we wanted to be?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: They'd be twenty nineteen at best.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: And I just said to him, like, in twenty one,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: you had a football season. You won ten games, which
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: is your holy grail. Evidently all of a sudden, ten
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: wins so we can get to the wildcard game. How
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: did that work for the overall development of the team.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: It didn't help you to sign seventeen high priced free
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: agents and win some games. Oh it's nott better to
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: win games than lose them.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: Oh you know, because we.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: Got to be all snarky about it and not understand. No,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: it was not the best interest in the team. It
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: didn't help it. You weren't building, and the same kind
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: of thing would happen if you signed Brady. I have
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: no doubt that you would win more games right now,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: Brady off his couch, and then they would otherwise.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: It'd be good for ratings that season.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: And all well, I think that you said it, Paul
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: directly to them, and I know that they tried to
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: dance around it. But the reason why they want Brady
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: to come back is for their show. Let's face it.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, I busted Fegus chops on that big time. It
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: would be credible for us. Brady came back.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: No one's denying that he comes back for Week one
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: last year, and it was incredible for us as the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: COVID year.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: By the way, Baker Mayfield twenty six and eight, that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: was his best year, oh better than last year.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: But no fans in the stands, please, what does that
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: have to do with anything? He still had to play.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: It's good quarterback.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: You sound like Greg Badard, like dismissing Josh Allen because
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: he only did it with COVID, Like it's the dumbest
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: thing I've ever heard, heard, the dumbest thing I heard then,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: and you just reupted.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: I appreciate Greg's dedication to the Josh Allen take because
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: he was not a Josh Allen guy to begin with,
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: and even though a gunk guy, even though Josh, even
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: though Josh Allen's now like an MVP.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Receipts.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: There's a way to be like right and wrong, Like
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: can you just say, like, oh, you know what, I
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: don't Paul's wrong the right way?
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: No, but like can you just say, I don't think
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: Rob Gronkowski, I don't really understand all the hype about it.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: Don't see the hype at period all period. Like, so
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry when that guy turns out to be the
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: greatest tight end who's ever played, you deserve to have
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: it thrown back in your period.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: Were period? Wrong period? And he gets really mad if
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: you point.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: That out to right Oh god, the thin skin. Oh
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: you believe me.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: He's been mad at me before. I'm sure he's probably
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: mad at me right now listening. Well, he h. I've
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: had some people that are telling me preemptively that when
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: Drake May is a bust, that I'm never going to
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: hear the end of it because I've been so pro
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: Drake made this entire time, and I'm just like, if
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: Drake May is a bus, I'll own it that I
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: was wrong, Like I don't understand what the big deal is,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: like you get some, you win some, you lose him.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: Like I think he's gonna be a good player, you don't.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: There go this time three years ago, Evan, where were
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: you on Mac Jones?
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: So we were talking about this the other day. I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: flip flopped on Mac Jones after the Patriots drafted him.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: I felt I took the cheese and I I took
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: the cheese with him. But going into the draft, I
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: had him as the fifth quarterback in the draft, so
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: I had it. I want to say, I had Lawrence Fields,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: Lance Wilson Mack is how I had it that year.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: And I really like Justin and I was I was
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: also pretty wrong about that.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: I liked Justin Fields too when I was wrong about it,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: But I similarly had Mac number five out of those five.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like Justin Fields. I was the guy
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: that I wanted the Patriots to end up with in
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: that draft, and I wasn't as big on Mac and
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: then they drafted him, and then I was like, Okay,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: well maybe it'll work out.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: I was pleased that he was our quarterback at the time.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: I believe you used that very line that.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Very pleased that Mac Jones is our quarterback.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to throw up he can play quarterback.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: But the only guy, I really, the only guy, the
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: only guy I loved in that draft was Trevor Lawrence. Oh,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: and I got killed by fans after we drafted that early. Fred,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: would you take Trevor Lawrence? Now?
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely? And then when Fred said yes, they killed
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: him even worse.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: Even after that first season when Mac had a better
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: rookie season, right, I still would have taken.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: And he was bad as rookie season, but you could
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: just you just know. The funniest the funniest thing about
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: Max's rookie season, and I still remember this to the day,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: is people writing that it was one of the greatest
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: rookie seasons in the history of the NFL because like
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: his completion percentage was like really really high or something
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: He didn't throw into the end zone until like week four.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, did we watch he He did
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: his job that year, There's no doubt about it.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: It's like the McCarthy stuff, Like they never won a
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: single one of those ten games because of Mac Jones.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: You know, they actually the games that he played the
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: best and were probably the games that they lost that year,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: like Tampa. Yeah, Tampa.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: Like you know, I know he threw the pick six
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: against Dallas, but I think the dollas, I think the response.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, even though I thought that was a fluky
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: but whatever, he played well with Dallas.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: Those parents that they're in the mall with their kid
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: and they have leash on the kid and all the
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: kids so well behaved. He's got. It's like Mac had
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: such a great they managed the hell out of him.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: Analogy the governor. His best game as a Patriot was
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: probably Buffalo last year, but his his best game is
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: rookieyear was against Cleveland. They tore Yes, no doubt.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: That was like everybody had career games like that. One
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: tikwon Thornton.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the next game. That was a bay.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: That was a bailey.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: Baker was playing with like half a shoulder in that game.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, yeah right, yeah, yeah, but he was
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: great in that game. The throw he made to Kendrick
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: boring up the scene to that game was the best
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: we ever made.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: So I know the exact player you're talking about. That
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: was also one Hunter Henry in that game. That wasn't
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: a touchdown, but it was a great throw. And I
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: remember the post game show was like we started the
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: good and bad. I was like, Mac Jobs, this is
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: the guy that you guys have been telling me he
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 4: has been playing all year. This is this is why
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: I don't go, I go. I don't gotch about it
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 4: because this was different. Now you see what what elite
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: play is as opposed to run of the mill play.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: There's a difference. I was like, so like over the
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: top he was Evans right, he was great that day?
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: He was he and then he never did.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: There was there was a timeline that he could have
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: been a good quarterback here. We just do not live
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: in that universe, but there was a way.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's gonna be it for this edition
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered Attitude Undone all the good. We got
• 1:58:13
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