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Geoff Schwartz on the Protect College Sports Act, Dante Moore injured by tough hit from USC player + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to our number two, the Sean O'Connell Show. We
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  Speaker 2: missed him yesterday, so Jeff Schwartz, kind enough to join
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  Speaker 2: us today to talk all things college and pro football.
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  Speaker 2: Former Oregon Duck, longtime NFL veteran. Betting Insider, Jeff Schwartz.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good. Thanks for having me on today. I am
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  Speaker 3: in New York City. I got myself a New York slice.
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  Speaker 3: It's a burrow, so I'm ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: You went fully authentic, Michael Scott style?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. New York slice. I did two trips ago though.
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  Speaker 3: I stayed in a new location. I stayed near like
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  Speaker 3: down between Chinatown and little Italy. And I did actually
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  Speaker 3: go to what is considered like the best pizza place
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  Speaker 3: in the city and got a New York slice. And
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  Speaker 3: it was as delectable as you could ever imagine.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to like, I get paralysis by analysis in
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  Speaker 2: New York city sometimes because there are too many options
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  Speaker 2: of what's supposed to be incredible food. And I'm like, wait, Sushi? No.
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  Speaker 2: I should get pizza while I'm here. No. There's 14 different.
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  Speaker 2: I need a bagel. Oh, crap. Which bagel spot do
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  Speaker 2: I go to? So I'm glad you found what you needed.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get a bagel in the morning, as I always do.
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  Speaker 3: The pizzas are here because it's so thin. Like, it
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  Speaker 3: feels light, lighter than, like, most pizza, which is nice. Because, like,
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  Speaker 3: you can have a couple slices and it doesn't sort
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  Speaker 3: of weight. And you just walk it off. Just go
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  Speaker 3: walk afterwards. Like, it's. I like being here for the
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  Speaker 3: little time I am. Like I couldn't live here, but
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  Speaker 3: I come for 24 hours. I'll walk like five miles today.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get some food. I'll wake up in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: go to work and fly home.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ever get recognized on the street as a
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  Speaker 2: former giant?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ever get recognized on the street as just
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  Speaker 2: an actual giant?
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: They said, are you an actual giant? I was like, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: You got me. My size is like, are you big foot?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yep. You got me. They know, they know,
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  Speaker 3: they already know.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense. The protect college sports act has inexplicably
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  Speaker 2: dominated our conversation the last day. Do you support the
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  Speaker 2: bill as it's currently constructed, Jeff?
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  Speaker 3: No, no. Because the government should stay the heck out
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  Speaker 3: of college sports. It's so funny to me. So if
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  Speaker 3: I told you or anyone listening, right, you have a
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  Speaker 3: non-government job, okay, and you are in favor of the
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  Speaker 3: government capping your wages for your job, like you're an
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  Speaker 3: electrician out there, you're okay if the government goes, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, they make too much money for my liking.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to set a cap on their wages. That's
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  Speaker 3: what they're doing. They're setting a cap on what the
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  Speaker 3: college athletes can make. It's very un-American. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: know why people support it. They're giving anti-trust exemptions and
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  Speaker 3: protections to college sports. you know, like some of it
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  Speaker 3: is fine. I think you will limit portal stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact is like, this is just really un-American
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  Speaker 3: to do that. And I don't know why people seem
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  Speaker 3: okay with capping the wages. I get, you might not
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  Speaker 3: like that. They tell us how to make so much money,
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  Speaker 3: but that's a free market issue, right? If you want
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  Speaker 3: there to be a cap, guess what? Get a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of bargaining agreement done, right? Make the players join a union.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it makes a strong word, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: negotiate to replace our union. They don't show anything. Why
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  Speaker 3: would they have all the leverage right now? But like
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  Speaker 3: the idea, Sean, that the government would cap the wages
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  Speaker 3: of a private citizen, essentially. But yeah, yeah. They, they
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  Speaker 3: cap the wages for what congressmen can make. Congressmen can wait.
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  Speaker 3: Of course they do the government jobs, but this is
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  Speaker 3: silly that people support this at all.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lesser talked about amendment proposed that would
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  Speaker 2: have capped coaches earnings at $ 5 million per year. And
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  Speaker 2: it almost passed. I'm sure you saw this. It was
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  Speaker 2: a very close vote. It was like 55 to 43
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. What's the math on that? It was close.
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  Speaker 2: And you could see Nick Saban reacted to it. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of people, I think a lot of coaches clutched
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  Speaker 2: up a little. We're like, wait, hold on a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Because they all seem to want some sort of regulation
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  Speaker 2: and cap on player earnings and things like that. But
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  Speaker 2: then when a politician said, all right, here's my amendment.
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  Speaker 2: Let's cap coaches' earnings at $ 5 million. Coaches immediately were like, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: we can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Of course. But, you know, I've actually thought about the
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  Speaker 3: coach salary issue for a little bit, Sean. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this week, the Lincoln-Riley, you know, issue, you know, that issue, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to beat them too bad. They want to
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  Speaker 3: fire Lincoln-Riley now. That was a bad decision by us.
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  Speaker 3: Just beat them by, like, one or two, and they
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  Speaker 3: keep Lincoln-Riley forever. You know, but he's making so much money, right?
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  Speaker 3: And you think to yourself, okay, how many coaches are
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  Speaker 3: really worth the $ 13 million they're getting paid, right? Sig,
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  Speaker 3: obviously worth it, right? Kirby Smart's worth it. But at
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  Speaker 3: some point, like these coaches make so much money, how
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  Speaker 3: are we getting the return on the investment on the coach?
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  Speaker 3: And I do wonder if there's going to be a look,
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  Speaker 3: a reckoning at some point, like USC will say, you
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  Speaker 3: know what? We're taking the best coach who makes $ 8
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  Speaker 3: million a year. you know, it just, it's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money, man. And I'm not saying that coaches don't,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they negotiated, they, they, they earned it, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: by negotiation, but it is a lot of money. Sean,
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  Speaker 3: they're paying these coaches a lot of money. And it
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  Speaker 3: feels like at some point there's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: time that there has to be maybe a pullback.
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  Speaker 2: What would the number on a big 10 and sec
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  Speaker 2: expansion have to be in order to, for all of
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  Speaker 2: us here in the state of Utah to feel good
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  Speaker 2: that Utah and BYU are on the right side of
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  Speaker 2: the line. They get invited to the party because at 40,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to spin it.
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  Speaker 3: I was coming spinning again. Is that happening?
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  Speaker 2: Well, part of this bill is you can only expand
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  Speaker 2: to 20 teams total, right? And if you're an Oregon fan,
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  Speaker 2: you don't care. You're already on the right side of
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  Speaker 2: the line. If you're a Utah fan, a Texas Tech fan,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a Miami fan, and you think eventually that
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  Speaker 2: the surviving power structure is going to be the SEC
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  Speaker 2: and the Big Ten and whoever gets to be part
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  Speaker 2: of that club, then you're not liking the 20-team maximum
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  Speaker 2: because the Big Ten and Utah have had conversations and
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  Speaker 2: there's an academic fit there. And there's been some flirtation
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  Speaker 2: and probably some aggressive chasing from Utah, but the big
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  Speaker 2: 10 is not going to save a spot for Utah.
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  Speaker 2: If they've only got two left, right. They already have
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  Speaker 2: 18 teams and the sec, that wouldn't make any sense
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  Speaker 2: regionally or any other way. So I think it's different
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  Speaker 2: when you're talking about those fan bases, Colorado, the Arizona schools,
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  Speaker 2: Stanford and Cal Miami, Florida state, like Utah, They're going
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  Speaker 2: to get invited to the SEC, but what about Louisville?
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  Speaker 2: So what is a number that makes sense where we
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  Speaker 2: could feel good about it here in the state of Utah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've always felt that there should be sort
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  Speaker 3: of an upper tier, like a mid-tier or lower tier,
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  Speaker 3: and you just take like the 64 powerful schools and
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  Speaker 3: create your own league and have maybe a couple tiers
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  Speaker 3: in those leagues. I don't know, Sean. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: I think if you look at the free agents, let's
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  Speaker 3: say the big, the big 12 and the ACC, you know, Carolina,
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  Speaker 3: Miami feel like one, two, right. For picks. If you
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  Speaker 3: were to choose like the teams that are available in
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  Speaker 3: a draft, maybe Clemson. I don't, where's Utah rank? Probably
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  Speaker 3: Utah is probably the next group of teams. Probably. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think the big 12, it's probably Texas tech, Utah, BYU, the,
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  Speaker 3: the BYU, the Sunday thing, I don't know if it
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  Speaker 3: hurts them at all for their, you know, their, you know,
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  Speaker 3: play sports on, on those days. Um, but the thing I,
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing, Sean, that I learned and we learned together,
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  Speaker 3: we were doing this during, during the process is that
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  Speaker 3: it's not really about whether you're actually popular or not. Right. It's,
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  Speaker 3: How many big 10 subscriptions can they sell in Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles versus Portland, Oregon, right? Yeah. Yes. UCLA sells more subscriptions,
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  Speaker 3: even though no one really watches UCLA play, and they
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  Speaker 3: might now, obviously. And it's not about performance. It's not
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  Speaker 3: about your actual TV ratings. It's not even about... I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I promise you there's more Oregon fans than UCLA fans, right,
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  Speaker 3: that actually care about football. Um, so I don't, I
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  Speaker 3: would say all these things, I'm thinking of this from
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  Speaker 3: a football perspective, right? These are football programs that I
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  Speaker 3: think a conference would want, but they might just say,
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  Speaker 3: we want, you know, Texas tech and UCF cause they're
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  Speaker 3: in big States. You know what I mean? Like I, I,
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  Speaker 3: I just, I don't, I don't know what really matters
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  Speaker 3: for conferences. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a, that's why when we talk about it
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  Speaker 2: potentially being 40, I'm like that, that I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Utah and BYU get in at 40. If it's 48,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're fine. If it's anything bigger than that,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 48 probably feels about right for Utah. You know,
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  Speaker 3: football success should matter. You guys have started off a
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  Speaker 3: great year, obviously. You continue to do that. I think
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  Speaker 3: that continues to be important. What was the reaction in
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  Speaker 3: your land about the Michigan game? Were people cheering for that?
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  Speaker 2: I think that there are a lot of people who
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  Speaker 2: want to see– humble pie served to Kyle Whittingham and
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  Speaker 2: to see things, you know, to see him not succeed
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  Speaker 2: at Michigan. I don't count myself among that crew among
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  Speaker 2: that group. There's, you know, there's guys on that staff.
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  Speaker 2: There's players that left that I wish well, but I
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  Speaker 2: think that there was a certain amount of satisfaction taken
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  Speaker 2: by a lot of Utah fans that the former coach was,
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  Speaker 2: was given a little slice of that pie by Iowa
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  Speaker 2: of all teams.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to derail this into a call winning
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  Speaker 3: and discussion, but I am curious though. I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: ask you about this. I don't remember like clock management,
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  Speaker 3: end of game issues at Utah. And I feel like
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  Speaker 3: he's had a bunch of them so far in Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: Is that, am I, am I misremembering like his time
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  Speaker 3: in Utah?
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  Speaker 2: There were a couple of seasons where people didn't like
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  Speaker 2: the way he handled certain end of game scenarios, but
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't last year. It wasn't anything recent, right? The,
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  Speaker 2: the criticism that came in, later in his tenure at
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  Speaker 2: Utah were him handling that injury situation really terribly with
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  Speaker 2: cam rising.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Last year in the BYU loss, the, and this is
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  Speaker 2: something you saw post Iowa game also that he, he
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  Speaker 2: went from this like Jocko willing ultimate accountability, extreme ownership
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  Speaker 2: guy to, to being someone who's just like, well, analytics
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  Speaker 2: said that that's what I should do. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I did. And it was like, hold on a minute.
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  Speaker 2: That's antithetical to like your extreme ownership. That's antithetical to
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  Speaker 2: you who've always said, no, nobody cares. There's no excuse.
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  Speaker 2: It's all about us. We got to prepare the players
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  Speaker 2: better and all that. And he did that again after
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  Speaker 2: the Iowa game. I don't know how many people out
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  Speaker 2: here saw it, but he threw Jay Hill under the
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  Speaker 2: bus a little bit. He was just like, ah, Jay
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  Speaker 2: Hill decided that was the best defensive structure to be in.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, whoa, don't put this on Jay Hill.
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  Speaker 2: You're the head coach.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's, you know, I always get someone screwing me
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  Speaker 3: with those press conferences. It's so interesting, you know, how
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  Speaker 3: people process what coaches say. And I think you're in
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  Speaker 3: this situation, you're pretty accurate with like a guy who
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  Speaker 3: screams accountability, but then sometimes doesn't do it. And people
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  Speaker 3: have so strong opinions on coach speaking, what coaches say
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  Speaker 3: at these press conferences. I find it so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating. And I know that there's a certain
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  Speaker 2: number of people here in the salt lake market that
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  Speaker 2: are keeping a hateful eye on Michigan football at the
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  Speaker 2: very least. So good.
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  Speaker 3: Hate is, hate is, that's some hate in your heart.
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  Speaker 3: Sports hate, sports hate, not real life hate.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of, speaking of sports hate and like we were,
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  Speaker 2: we on our PAC 12 today, group chat, Oregon, your
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  Speaker 2: Oregon ducks beat USC. A casualty of that game was
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  Speaker 2: Dante Moore, the starting quarterback with the, The slide, the
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  Speaker 2: late hit, the targeting, the concussion, a bum deal. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it obviously stinks. Like, tell me how the
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  Speaker 2: Oregon fan base, the Oregon alumni base is feeling that
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  Speaker 2: you got that huge win. And I think Dylan Raiola
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  Speaker 2: deserves a ton of credit. I've made fun of him
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but he played well. But now you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be without the starting quarterback for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: We're off this week, which is helpful. Right. And then
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  Speaker 3: we play UCLA. I really do think that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to take their time with Dante more. You know, what's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: He actually has one more year of eligibility left and
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  Speaker 3: real does it. I don't think like real is like,
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  Speaker 3: got to go. He's like, Oh, she'll leave him without
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  Speaker 3: them or couldn't. So I think they're taking it really
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  Speaker 3: easy with Dante more.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: There's no rush to bring them back. We've got UCLA
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  Speaker 3: in two weeks. And that was such a scary injury
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  Speaker 3: because you know, you have the fencing response and it
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  Speaker 3: looked like a little bit of like a leg twitch
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  Speaker 3: or seizure almost. I mean, look, I think most organ
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  Speaker 3: fans would agree with me, the same voters as me,
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  Speaker 3: were like, that hit is not the dirtiest hit you've
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  Speaker 3: ever seen. It certainly was dirty and felt that way
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  Speaker 3: in the moment. The celebration afterwards was really poor in
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  Speaker 3: poor taste, right? And that's what a lot of us
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  Speaker 3: are upset about is, look, immediately afterwards, you don't know
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  Speaker 3: they're not knocked out, like, fine, do your celebration. But
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  Speaker 3: then it was like the smiling and the high fives
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  Speaker 3: and teammates, and it feels like just no remorse at all.
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  Speaker 3: There's no one really plays a game to get other
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  Speaker 3: players hurt. And if they tell you that they're probably
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  Speaker 3: a little crazy. And so I think that was a
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  Speaker 3: big deal. Then obviously you saw, if you watch like
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  Speaker 3: the ducks versus them, you know, the reaction from the
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  Speaker 3: USC fans and the reaction from their PR Arbogast, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's like, Speaker 3 I know you were
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  Speaker 3: getting there. So go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: That was, you and I both love Homer radio, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like when you're, when you're the play by play guy
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  Speaker 2: for a team, you're the official voice of a team.
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  Speaker 2: You should be a Homer, right? Like we want that.
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  Speaker 2: Bill Riley's a Homer for the Utes, but he keeps
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  Speaker 2: it between the buoys. It Pete Arbogast for anyone who
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  Speaker 2: didn't see it on the USC Oregon broadcast was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's not targeting. That's not an illegal hit. He wasn't sliding.
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  Speaker 2: And he just, even after the replay, he wouldn't give
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  Speaker 2: it up. It was the most delusional take from a
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  Speaker 2: very veteran broadcaster. It was crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So we used to do sound wars on, on, it
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  Speaker 3: was one of our favorite segments of the week where
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  Speaker 3: we played Homer radio calls and and we would pick
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  Speaker 3: and choose winners. And unfortunately, or fortunately, Mark Johnson just,
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  Speaker 3: good guy, just was a favorite every week. But, you know,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: I think Pete probably won a week or two, right?
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  Speaker 3: It was the same thing about Stevens, right? It's like,
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  Speaker 3: after you saw what you did, you continued to celebrate.
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  Speaker 3: And the radio call was just... Atrocious. First, he claimed
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  Speaker 3: that Dante Moore slid to Dove headfirst. And Sean Cody,
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  Speaker 3: poor analyst, is like, no, no, no. His feet are forward.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, they moved them. And you're like, what? Well,
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  Speaker 3: he moved them. And he wants to replay. He wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: give it up. And you saw the face. It's now
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  Speaker 3: a meme, obviously, of, like, a meme of that. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's just... You're going to live forever. Poor
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  Speaker 3: Sean Cody is going to be a meme now because Pete...
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  Speaker 3: But then... we can't even share what our producer Dan
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  Speaker 3: was told us, but like, I, I don't like Peter anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Like I just, like, I, I, I I'm upset with
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  Speaker 3: Dan's listening. I'm sure he is. I'm upset with Dan
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  Speaker 3: for not telling us this. And I would have, I
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  Speaker 3: would have, me and you have generously made it a
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  Speaker 3: hole for Dan.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: And like, I, I'm like, I'm kind of shocked, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: And this is one of those things where like, everyone
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  Speaker 3: said he is a great person. And I had nothing,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know Peter at all. But it's like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, you saw a guy get concussed
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  Speaker 3: and go to hospital and you just didn't show any
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  Speaker 3: compassion whatsoever at all, like in the radio call. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I heard some other stuff, again, like kind of behind
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: the scenes that makes me think you're, I don't know.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: You know, you know, you sort of never know someone
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: until you, you know, you know, they're our personality, but
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: now it's just a point to see what Dan told us.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: And then all, obviously the, the no remorse in the
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: call whatsoever, a guy was, can you just like have
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: some remorse, man, the guys on the ground knocked out
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: with like 85 medical personnel around them.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: That it's something you don't want to see on a
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: college football field and knock on wood. We haven't had
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: like too many of those horrific things. That have happened
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: so far this season and.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: It's terrible, dude. It really made me... It really, like...
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm an Oregon fan, so maybe that's a little
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: bit differently. And you know me, man. I have, like...
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I'm as heartless as I come. I'm really not, but... But, like...
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like non-emotional. That kind of got me, man. I
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: was like, that was really tough. Cause like, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: he's your quarterback and it's a big game. And, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: then getting the celebration stuff really pissed me off. I
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: was really angry when that happened.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you one that's made that I've gotten emotional
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a couple of times now, Harrison Taggart, former Oregon duck,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: who's now went from Oregon to BYU, then to Utah state,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: like watching him have to be wheeled out onto the
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: field that, and like every report I've heard is that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: he's going to be okay. And that he's going to recover,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: but like, he's probably never going to play football again.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: You know, he probably shouldn't ever play football again. And
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that's a young man. He's like a, he was an
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: all-star track athlete, not just a great football player. Like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: this is a Supreme athlete who, uh, who got the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: mortality that you have to face with a hit like
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: that and with losing feeling in your limbs, whether it's
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: complete or partial or whatever, that one got me because
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that's a local kid whose course of his life changes
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: somewhat based on a hit that happened in a game
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: against the University of Utah. That was crazy to see,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and it's still crazy to see the slow recovery process.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's... It's really tough because, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I think generally speaking, you know, the injuries are not
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: as bad as people want to make them out, just
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: holistically in football, right? Like, most guys are fine, right?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: But the bad ones are really bad, you know? And
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: it's really difficult because you have to play the game.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: You know that they can happen to you, but you
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: can't play that way, right, Sean? And I think there's
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: so much good in football. Like, my son wants to
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: play ninth grade. And, like... I don't know what I
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I, I wanted to play for
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: all the things that football does for you. And just,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: you know, just as far as mental toughness, physical toughness, persevere.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Like my kid needs to do a training camp, like
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: a high school, a ninth grade training camp football player.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: He needs that for his toughness. You know, I need
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: him to do that. But then, like, I guess the
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: injury stuff, and again, it's like one in a million, right?
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not, it doesn't happen as much as
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: we think, but the one in a million is bad, man.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: It's scary, and it happens so quickly. There was, the
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Tiger one wasn't, it didn't happen, was it Utah State?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: There's another play that happened this weekend, I don't know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: a different game, where a guy went to make a tackle, and, like,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: his neck compressed. It was a primetime game, and, like,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: maybe it was Friday night at some point. It's just, like, Oh,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it's just so, it's just so unfortunate, but it's part
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: of the game. You hope it doesn't happen to you
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: or someone, you know, but the one thing I will
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: say is I really do think these medical staff, man,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Oregon was on it, man, you know, um, I was
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: talking to her. We were watching a game, and Emmy
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: was there, my daughter, and she's 10, and she was
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: kind of asking about what was happening, and we were
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: telling her about it. And she's like, you know, she
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: started asking questions. She's 10. If anyone's behind the field,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, tell her about DeMar Amlin. And, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: but I was also praising like the medical staff, like
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the medical staff and the treatments that you can do
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and get, you know, people that get paralyzed and their
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: ability to walk again, all the medical events as we
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: have give you hope that if you do get hurt,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: you know, there's ways to get back to a hundred percent,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: at least close to it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz for another minute or two here on the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show in the NFL world. is JJ McCarthy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Is there any hope for a real resurgence in New
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: York with him?
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: The best part of the memes, bro. Like there's, there's
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: a meme, you know, that meme of, um, of Steve Belichick,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: like licking his lips, you know.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Talking about it was like, yeah, it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Was like, uh, something like can scatter boo when he sees, um,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you know, his quarterback, um, you know, nine, not six,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: like no ideas. And there's no idea. I mean, it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a different guy or something. So I, I, I mean,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know. McCarthy, McCarthy, he's a quarterback who needs reps. Okay.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Maybe the giants would be bad. They should, they give
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: them reps. Certainly possible, but I don't know why he'd
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: be good. All of a sudden, I don't understand why
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: he'd be good. I, you know, I just, people, And
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: maybe we'll find a route for positive outcomes and negative outcomes. People, man,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: they want these guys to be so good sometimes. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not going to happen. I was talking
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to Kim Ward the other day. People are like, so
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: many 20 starts. This is the worst quarterback I've ever
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: seen after 20 starts. You typically don't get, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: become average after 30 starts. If you're bad, you're bad.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: It's okay to say that. I don't know if he's
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: any good, dude. So I don't think he does any good, Giants.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Are the Raiders legit at 3-0?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Find out Sunday with the chiefs, right? The poaching matters
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: so much in this sport. I mean, Clint Kubiak, you
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: could tell just the influence he's had. They also did
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a really good job in free agency. They hit a
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: lot of home runs in free agency. They went big
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in free agency. And you know, so funny because Max
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Crosby wanted to be traded obviously. And he almost went
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to the Ravens and that's on a three, no Raiders
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: and having a big role in the three.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: No Raiders.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: And now he's playing the chiefs who he's tormented my
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: homes over the years. So looking forward to watching that game.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: That'd be a lot of fun.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Do you want to say anything about the Chargers and
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert? I know as an Oregon guy, you get
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: one side of that, and just like an objective NFL observer,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you have the other side of that. So they're 0-3,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and Justin Herbert has not looked great.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of problems with what they're doing
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in those hands. I thought McDaniel and Herbert we could
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: fix together. They're running the two offense for Herbert, which
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: makes no sense. I think we thought, but people thought
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: they were high on the chargers schematically, not just like, oh,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: they'll be better this year, was the fact that Mike
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: McDaniel would bring the Shanahan-McVay system to Los Angeles. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that would, you know, in theory gives you easier access throws,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: easier runs, and it's a great, really well-designed offense. We
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: see it every week, how impactful the offense can be.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: And instead, he basically is running the two offense for Herbert.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Why are you running this bomb offense for Herbert? It's
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: like a terrible decision. I, I am, I am just
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: in awe at how bad the team is. They were,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: they forced five turnovers and lost, which is like, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: impossible to do. I think Harbaugh is on the way out.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: He can't get this fixed. It doesn't feel like he's
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: going to be the quarter, you know, the, and then, then,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: then he goes up to USC, takes that job. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: think he's going to be a, he might have a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: show clause still from his, from the penalties.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: So people, people are talking about like, again, with USC's job,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it was like Sataki taking that job. Do you need
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: BYU for that? Yes. Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's, I think if I'm a BYU fan,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that's like one of my biggest fears. I think that's,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I would be very, very worried about Lincoln Riley, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: losing favor, which he already has. And then saying, all right,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Kalani Satake, because he had that flirtation with Penn State
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and then the promises, and then apparently some of those
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: were broken, and now trouble in paradise between him and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the athletic director, who he no longer reports to, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. And, you know, USC, you already talked
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: about the pay thing. They wouldn't pay him $ 13 million,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: but they would give him a raise. He's lived in
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: California before. Like, this is, it's a scary thing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just so curious about jobs like USC because
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I can make the case that they should hire Indiana's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, right? And just pay him $ 7. 5 million a year.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And he's not going to be a guy who's politically correct, right?
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: He's not going to be a guy that probably, you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: has the same gravitas as Lincoln Riley did or some
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: other names he can get. But, like, he'll be a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: good coach for you, right? Because you have to get
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: him to go big name hunting again or go for
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: good coaches. If they go for good coaches, then Satake's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: obviously high up on that list. He's not a big name, though.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: He's not going to wow the boosters, I would imagine,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: when they hire him. That's USC's biggest problem. What are they?
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Are they big game hunters or are they good coach hunters?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Those are two separate things.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: If Kalani makes a college football playoff with BYU this year,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is that enough to make him a big name?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually... I was wrong about Utah. I think
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: this year, and I talked to my podcast this week
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: about Utah, big 12 champions. Cause your schedule, I put
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: you in, if you can even play this well in
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the big 12 championship game and Texas tech to me
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: as a lot of, as a lot of flaws and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: you get in the game, you got a chance to
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: be a playoff team. Like I, like I thought it
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: would take longer. to gel on the offensive line and
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: longer to just sort of be on your own team
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: with Sally, like becoming his own type of coach. Right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: And not following a legend's footsteps and look so far
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to be, to be following the plan. They want men
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: some good, you know, good football game better every week.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I still, you know, don't sometimes love like the two
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks thing, but, um, and I don't know, like if
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you get into, uh, a game where you can't run
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the ball, can you throw yourself out of it? It's
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: always a question, right? Not just a Utah question. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: like to have that question. But you're not going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: maybe play a team this year that can really play
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: defense to do that to you outside of maybe BYU.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Who are you playing this year? You're really all that defense.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I've got to worry about that defense.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Cincinnati might be better than we think.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Houston is good. BYU, I think, is really good. But
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: none of those games look like you can't win them.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: The Holy War is at home this year, right?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Are you going to it? Are you going to go?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: You should come. November 7th. You've got nothing better to do.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm debating whether I should go to Columbus or not.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: We'll see. That's like the best weekend of college football.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That's Miami-Notre Dame that weekend, too.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Holy War. Oregon-Ohio State. There's like four other games. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: think Bama-LSU is that weekend as well. Are your kids
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: into it yet? Are they going to, like, they like
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to go to games yet or not? Yeah, we went.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I took them to the Utah State game, and they
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: loved it. So now they're like, Dad, can we go
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to the next one? I'm like, ah, it's a night game.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: No.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to start forking out for tickets for them.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You said you send the box up. Do you have
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a box?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I'm just going by myself, but I can't.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Can't take the kids out there.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I thought you told me you bought a box for
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: the season.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. That must have been somebody else. Did
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: you get a chance to look at more Zaraway Williams
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: film before we let you go?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I have not had a chance to look at them yet.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I know Dane Brugler is super high on them. It
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: has not caught my radar yet. I just haven't had
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: a chance. My problem is most people in this media
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: business do one sport or the other, right? Right. Cause
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: it or NFL. I do both. I barely like right
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: now I have to prepare for this upcoming week of,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: for NFL and college football. And my guys like Duke
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: and grandma are still texting me that clips from like Sunday.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Like I got, I gotta move on, man. I don't,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't have time. I gotta work. Like
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: most people spend the whole, like a lot of people
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: that I know like spend the whole, this whole week
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: watching film of every team. And then, then Sunday rolls around,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: they walk the game. They just do it again. I,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I have to like look forward and look back at
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: the same time. I don't, I wish I had more time, dude.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I just don't. So I'm complaining. I probably should complain,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: but man, it's. So a lot of time.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Well, when you did, when you deem us to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: important enough and you watch some zero way Williams.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: It's almost Joe Moore award, you know, time to start like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: you know, getting some honor roll in, I will say
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Thunderbats five and oh, five and oh Thunderbats number one
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: in the Charmec 10 U softball standings.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Well, that's, that was going to be my next question.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: That was the most important thing to finish on. Are you,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: are you, are you in the running for coach of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the year or what?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know. I mean, I, I have so
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: many grudges about this league, but no, I'm not.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't be because we've thrown seven pitchers in five
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: games and the other teams are undefeated. I've only thrown
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: two or three. It's false development time. And we're the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: only ones doing it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I love it. Well, uh, you can call back on
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Friday and air your grievances when we do that on
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Friday afternoons.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: All right. What time is it?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's three 30 your time.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: You don't want to call in and complain about, about
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Charmix softball. Yep.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: It's, it's an open forum. You can complain about whatever
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? It sounds like savage or stupid. I like it. Okay.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: All right, buddy.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: All right, dude. Appreciate your time. Enjoy New York.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Bye guys. Bye guys.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz. Great stuff from him. Talking all things, football,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: NFL and college.