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ITB Roundtable: Intel, Insight From Second Eagles OTA Open To Media · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on everybody? It's
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Moser, Adam Kaplan and of course from Inside the
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  Speaker 1: Birds dot com rock in that fresh cut is Andrew
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  Speaker 1: to check. Oh good time for a haircut, very nice
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: warm weather out. And Andrew, of course, was our eyes
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  Speaker 1: and ears at the second ot A for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: It was on Tuesday, and uh, Andrew's gonna wrap it
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  Speaker 1: up and let us know what he saw, what go inside,
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that might have been different from
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  Speaker 1: last week's OTA. So we'll get into all that. But obviously, Andrew,
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  Speaker 1: it's the first OTA literally a day after AJ Brown
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  Speaker 1: gets traded. So I do wonder, I know, you talk
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  Speaker 1: to a bunch of players after have have they moved
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  Speaker 1: on like mentally like most people have, or what was
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  Speaker 1: kind of the reaction of some of the players.
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  Speaker 2: It's a business. I think DeVante Smith put it best.
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  Speaker 2: He said business is business, and Quinya Mitchell said the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. But I think what Quinyon said was really
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  Speaker 2: notable about how Aj sort of helped build his confidence
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  Speaker 2: early on as a rookie. If you remember back to
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  Speaker 2: those training camp practices, they were going head to head
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  Speaker 2: Mono Imano, and you would struggle to find a player,
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  Speaker 2: Jeff frankly that that's going to say something negative about AJ.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they go the extra mile to heap some
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  Speaker 2: praise on him and the impact that he's had on
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  Speaker 2: the on the organization and them themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I know. Some people have tried
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  Speaker 1: to equate the A. J. Brown situation Adam to the
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  Speaker 1: Too situation you and I lived through. Yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 1: to me, it's not the same. Too certainly had proponents,
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  Speaker 1: but he divided the locker. There were people who didn't
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  Speaker 1: like his antics, wish he would have stopped doing what
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  Speaker 1: he was doing, felt that it was taking away from
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  Speaker 1: the team. He of course had some people who were
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  Speaker 1: in his corner, but it was divided. It was pulling
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  Speaker 1: like that. This was not a This is not a
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  Speaker 1: divided lock.
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  Speaker 2: Not not even close.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that hearing from agents who have players on
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles, a lot of them all spoke. Because you
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  Speaker 3: and I, Jeff, have gotten feedback over the years. Man,
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  Speaker 3: we find out if if the players not what liked,
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  Speaker 3: very well liked. Now you can debate and which is
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  Speaker 3: true his use of social media in the correct way.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes when he's frustrated. Didn't help, didn't revite anything, but
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  Speaker 4: it didn't help certainly.
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  Speaker 1: Right Whether I wasn't trying to say he was the
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  Speaker 1: perfect team man was you might have like a friction
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  Speaker 1: going on that you.
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  Speaker 3: Have, but as being a mentor to younger players, I
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  Speaker 3: was told, good with that really connective.
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  Speaker 4: He's very connective. Like that's a big thing.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, by the way, listen to Andrews Daily to
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  Speaker 3: check O yesterday when he did his retrospective of covering
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  Speaker 3: Agent brown Water, was like, to cover that's that's a
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  Speaker 3: cool story. Was like you and I covered t O
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  Speaker 3: Jeff decades ago. That was your you were the that
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  Speaker 3: was your first year on the beat.
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  Speaker 1: Yet so two thousand and five was actually I was
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  Speaker 1: a GA and then two thousand and six I was
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  Speaker 1: the beat, but I was around because I live in
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  Speaker 1: South Jersey. They sent me to all the t O
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  Speaker 1: Drew h Drew Rosenhaus and not the not the sit
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  Speaker 1: ups push ups that was before me, but more than
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  Speaker 1: the next question press conference. Okay, Yeah, when he got
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  Speaker 1: kicked off the team, remember a lot of people forgot
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  Speaker 1: that year to went on an ESPN show Sports Center
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  Speaker 1: and somebody asked him if he thought the team would
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  Speaker 1: be because Eagles got off to a bad start that year,
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  Speaker 1: if the team would be better off if Brett Farva
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  Speaker 1: was the quarterback, which was a total leading the Witness
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  Speaker 1: Year honor question, And of course THEO took it like
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  Speaker 1: almost like he scripted the question himself, and he was, yeah, probably,
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  Speaker 1: and then that was it. That was like the ultimate
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  Speaker 1: year off the team, You're done and yeah, but yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have that situation with aj Brown here. It's
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  Speaker 1: just a totally different one. All right, So let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the ota. Uh Andrew first, we got to get
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  Speaker 1: and everybody can read Andrew's stuff on on inside the
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: Birds dot Com, who have even more thorough right up,
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  Speaker 1: it's on as we speak, it's already on the website.
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  Speaker 1: But who was not present at the voluntary camp?
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  Speaker 2: Lane Johnson, Fred Johnson, Holland, Pierce, Joe Tryon Show, Yanka
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  Speaker 2: and Jay when Carter Okay, and then.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of guys not practicing right there were right, So.
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  Speaker 2: That would be Makay, Lemon, Britton, Covey, Tucker, Large, Darius
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  Speaker 2: Cooper went through individuals, but I didn't see him participating
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  Speaker 2: seven on seven or eleven on eleven's and then it
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  Speaker 2: would be Carson Steele who had a sleep right leg. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to think who else here? Yeah, those those,
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  Speaker 2: those are the players.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I want to add this, this is interesting. This guy
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  Speaker 3: is a terrific fit for this offense. Not that he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna make it, but Elijah Mitchell was attitude with roster.
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  Speaker 3: Lijah Mitchell was drifted specifically for the West Coast scheme
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  Speaker 3: and zone running, which the ego is going to move to.
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  Speaker 3: I remember talking to the Niners about him. He just had
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  Speaker 3: terrible injury history. Okay, terrible, but they tried. They tied
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  Speaker 3: Davis Price in here. Yeah, chry Derman, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what it is with Jeff with the and Andrew with
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  Speaker 3: these form nine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what their obsession was with it. But
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  Speaker 4: this guy is a specific fit for the scheme.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I should also mention guys that Jahi Campbell was present
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  Speaker 2: but did not participate.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and he's still coming back from the shoulder surgery.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, on Elijah Mitchell, he has not had
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  Speaker 1: to carry since the twenty twenty three Super Bowl, which
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  Speaker 1: was between the Niners in Kansas City, So that's been
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  Speaker 1: quite a while. As Adam said about the injury, it's
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  Speaker 1: been he's a I mean, let's be fair, he's a
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  Speaker 1: camp body here. I mean maybe he can unsee Damian
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  Speaker 1: Pierce for a practice squad or maybe they're both on it,
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  Speaker 1: but camp body at the moment, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were really light on running backs, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: depending on whatever the case is with Carson Steele, they
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  Speaker 2: still only have Damian Pierce and the three running backs
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  Speaker 2: who were all expecting to make the roster, So it
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  Speaker 2: makes some sense just to handle some of the preseason work.
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  Speaker 1: Did you catch any intel on why, like McKay Lemon
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  Speaker 1: or anybody else was there?
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  Speaker 4: But not?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Makai Lemon, actually Quinya Mitchell tipped this off
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  Speaker 2: after practice. He mentioned that it was a hamstring injury.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that's why I was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know they're voluntary, I know it's otias,
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  Speaker 1: but it's kind of a bummer when rookies suffer injuries
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  Speaker 1: and don't get ah, don't get remember Andrew mccouba last
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  Speaker 1: training camp had the shoulder thing and then you had
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  Speaker 1: something else and I was like, damn, you want to
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  Speaker 1: see this guy get on yeah the hamstring.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, cool cool?
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  Speaker 1: Uh so let's get into it. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: the big conversation from week one of Otia's was how
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  Speaker 1: much you got to see some of that under center
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  Speaker 1: motion zone blocking things. What any what were your biggest
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  Speaker 1: bigger takeaways from this one.
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  Speaker 2: Let's yeah, yeah, quite a bit of under center work,
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  Speaker 2: especially during team drills. I thought that they went a
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: little bit more heavy tight end usage, and makes sense
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  Speaker 2: if you don't have Makay Lemon and Darius Cooper didn't participate.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a lot of Johnny Munt working in EJ
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  Speaker 2: Jenkins got in early on seven on sevens caught a
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  Speaker 2: really nice pass down the scene from Andy Dalton, who
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  Speaker 2: was really sharp today, by the way, and that would
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  Speaker 2: be my primary takeaway. I thought the offense there were
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  Speaker 2: moments where they had the defense on their heels. You
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  Speaker 2: don't often see that from a FIC Fangio defense. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure we'll get into it, but that
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  Speaker 2: was some of my notable takeaways. I thought the offense
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  Speaker 2: was able to sort of gets get things going, particularly
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurtz and Andy Dalton. Tanner McKee guys was working
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  Speaker 2: with the third unit on this particular day.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've been switching off.
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  Speaker 3: And also you understand seven on seven looks like flag football. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: these are passing camps. Okay, that's but because this is
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  Speaker 3: an instant, this is a brand new offense they've never
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  Speaker 3: run before. And Andrew's right, Look, it's surprising. What if
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  Speaker 3: the offense looks better defense, But overall, it would be stunning.
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  Speaker 3: Through Now, we're the media doesn't get much access to
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  Speaker 3: these ots anymore.
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  Speaker 4: They just don't. That's the way it is.
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  Speaker 3: But it would be stunning if we hear that the
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  Speaker 3: offense dominated ots overall, I'd be shocked because this is
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  Speaker 3: a total sea change.
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  Speaker 4: They've not run anything like this in so many years.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, I also did did They may either talk
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  Speaker 1: about it or in your observations the fact that they
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: were outside as opposed to last week when you had
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  Speaker 1: to be inside. I just I always felt like inside
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  Speaker 1: it's congested, it's it's tough to get any kind of
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  Speaker 1: rhythm going, and then outside it feels like more natural,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the most remarkable thing was trying to fit ninety
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  Speaker 2: players inside that practice bubble. Whereas you get on the
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  Speaker 2: field and things are opened up a lot more to
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  Speaker 2: your point, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ninety people inside that bubble, which is an
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  Speaker 1: outdated bubble that supposedly was was going to be replaced
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: years ago but never has been.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: How about the new guy to Samori? Is it Samari Tori?
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: Did I pronounce it right at him?
• 8:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, Samori Tour. Was he with the Eagles yet?
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's wearing number forty six. He caught a nice
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  Speaker 2: pass along the sideline and a tight window throw from
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  Speaker 2: Andy Dalton, and apart from that, there wasn't really anything
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  Speaker 2: notable that he did. But he obviously has an uphill
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  Speaker 2: climb to make a dent here, so we'll see. He
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  Speaker 2: knows this. He's somewhat familiar with Sean mann In he
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  Speaker 2: was there in twenty twenty four for a brief period,
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  Speaker 2: didn't make the roster, so there's some familiarity there.
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  Speaker 3: It's the West Coast system, that's why he's here, so
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a good move. He's kind of bounced around
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. There was a I know the Packers
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  Speaker 3: were very high on him early in his career. He
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  Speaker 3: just he just never took advantage of the injury situations
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  Speaker 3: and they moved on from him.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, to me, he's just he's here.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like it's kind of like he knows
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  Speaker 3: the scheme somewhat and he's here to run to help
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: everybody else sort of in a way because he could
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  Speaker 3: he could answer questions kind of like.
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  Speaker 4: Will Greer, Remember when Will g Yeah, yeah, sure, create
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: the same way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but he's not making the team. It's just
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  Speaker 3: it's now practice squad. It's be a perfect guy because
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: he knows the system, right.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Does he have a little juice? Is he kind of
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  Speaker 1: a guy who can return punts or kicks or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that? I barely remember him as an NFL player,
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: I think he's maybe a four or four guy, but
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he factors into the return game.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we'll learn more as you get to training camp.
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  Speaker 4: The pats come on.
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  Speaker 2: You can kind of get a bare feel for it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if he makes it that far, yeah, if he
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: makes it, that's another valid point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So Andrew, I assume things are practices.
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  Speaker 1: Is structured typical ones verse ones?
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  Speaker 4: In? Yes?
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, today was today was all ones verse ones, twos,
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: verse twos and threes verse threes, in training camp. As
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: you guys know. Sometimes though they'll kind of mix it
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: up a little bit to give you some different looks,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: but today was really true to four.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so uh right tackle, well, Lane Johnson, we're still
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: seeing Mark Hilbell at right time.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Mark Albell, Yes he was, and I it's not as
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  Speaker 2: notable this time because Fred Johnson wasn't there, so there
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  Speaker 2: really isn't anyone else who would contend for that. But
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: he's getting a lot of valuable, you know, valuable work
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  Speaker 2: early in his young career.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I would say you, Cam Williams, it's interesting. Now
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  Speaker 3: this is where I want to see what happens Andrew
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  Speaker 3: when we get to training camp because Cam Williams, I
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: know he got a little bit of the twos over
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  Speaker 3: the couple of days the Meetia was there. But yeah, sure,
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: I see why they're doing this. They want to They
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: want to take a look and see where Mark cal
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: Bell is. This is a perfect opportunity to see where
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: he's at, how much he could learn. They got to
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  Speaker 3: because their hope is over time he'll be the backup
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: right tackle. Then maybe someday, just maybe that he'll be
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  Speaker 3: the replacement for Lane Johnson. So you might as well
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  Speaker 3: start gettingn idea of where he's at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I know in the first tier Andrew Cameron Williams
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  Speaker 1: was third team right tackle. We noted that the right
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  Speaker 1: guard was Drew Kendall. Was there any changes there as
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: far as who's lining up way on second and third teams?
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  Speaker 2: So I see Drew Kenne will take any work with
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: and enduring the seven on seven or eleven on eleven's.
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  Speaker 2: And so the second team was comprised of They had
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: John Ajukuu, who's been around a little bit. He spent
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  Speaker 2: some time with the Tennessee Titans. Eagles signed him to
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: a futures deal. He was left tackle, Miles Cinton was
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: left guard, center was Willie Lampkin, and I'm going through
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  Speaker 2: the second team right guard was Jake Majors and right
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  Speaker 2: tackle was Cameron Williams. And Cameron Williams was also the
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  Speaker 2: third team right tackle. They also didn't have Holland Pierce today,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, so that that that factors in.
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So so so no reps at all for for Kendall.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: No, and then.
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  Speaker 3: He must have had something, yeah, because he's the backup center,
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  Speaker 3: so obviously he's something to deal with something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Lampkin was the third team center as well.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: So got it, got it, and so I get I
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  Speaker 1: would think that with Bell playing first team right tackle,
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: he's getting a steady dose there of Jaylex Hunt, which
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  Speaker 1: is sort of like too completely different types of players.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: You get this big, hulking right tackle and you get
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: the undersize, fast and like completely you know, at uber
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  Speaker 1: athletic edge rusher across from him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, j Loox has some juice and I can't wait
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  Speaker 2: to see how that battle manifests when they have the
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: pads on. But he added some weight last summer. It
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: looks like he's still maintained that, and I think he's
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  Speaker 2: going to have a jay Loox is going to have
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  Speaker 2: a breakthrough season. It's going to be really good for
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  Speaker 2: Mark hel Bell to get those reps.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Andrew question on the offense, so you you've covered this
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: team a long time, just from an overview, how much
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  Speaker 3: different does this offense look like conceptually when you're when
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: you're going to practice comparavely to Sirianni and Kellen Moore
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  Speaker 3: and Kellen Morris scheme sirian Just from.
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  Speaker 2: A first blush, it does look a little different. But
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: I'll say there's a lot of elements at him that
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  Speaker 2: remind me of offenses that we've seen in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't expect them to fully open things up
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  Speaker 2: until you get to the summer training camp. But there
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: is a lot of checkdowns, a lot of intermediary throws. Yes,
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: you are saying pre sat motion, you are saying way
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  Speaker 2: more under center than we've ever seen in the Jalen
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Hursts Nick Sirianni era. But apart from that, you don't
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  Speaker 2: really see You're not able to really discern anything that's
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: incredibly different from what we've seen. There's some elements, but
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: nothing super drastic at this stage.
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  Speaker 1: How about like with what Adams talking about formationally with
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: the receivers, like we're used to seeing aj Brown split left,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: DeVante Smith on the right side. Occasionally they'll run a
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  Speaker 1: trips or a bunch, but we know that, you know,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: condensed formations is really more of a staple of the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: West Coast Office. Are we seeing sort of?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, I did.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: See that, and I saw some mixing and matching, like
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Eli Stowers aligned inside on some occasions, caught some passes today.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: So I am noticing some more condensed formations in terms
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: of the run game, which is what I'm most fascinated by.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: They didn't really incorporate that a bunch in a day's practice.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: It was mostly predicated on the passing.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Game, right cool.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Adam will have to wait till training
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: camp to really get engauge. It's funny because of camp,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: after the first few days, they start to settle into
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: that we're going to run the ball a lot and
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: nobody expects it, and all of a sudden, you start
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to see the run game get involved because OTAs and
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: even like the first five days of training camp or
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: passing camps, you know, as they ramp up and then
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: they put the pads on, and then all of a sudden,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you start to see a running game.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, it also you get to see what they're
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: going to do in the fall, like that's that's what
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: training camps all about, and that this is the experimentation
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: rotation time as I've called it now I don't know
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: what else is called. So that's because that's what they
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: teams do. He goes, are the only team all thirty
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: two do?
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: They all do this.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: But it's always interesting because oh, speaking of interesting, Cooper
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Degen playing that new position he's never played before.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: What do you see from him? Got they ask that?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Cooper Degene Adam can play virtually anywhere
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: in the back end. He looks really natural at safety.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: In fact, today he mentioned that a player that he
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: watched this offseason was one of my favorite players to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: ever watch in the secondary, and that's Charles Woodson. So
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I can kind of see some similarities there in terms
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: of how they they you know, their utilization, their ball
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: skills and football IQ and things like that. But Cooper
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Degen mentioned something in the post practice availability saying that
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: he's really prepared himself from day one to play three
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: different positions. So while it's not exactly a singlest transition,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: he said he has a good idea and understanding of
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: what the requirements are for each respected position.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Andrew on defense, he said Jalen Carter didn't practice, so
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: who's getting the run on the first team in those
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: as in a rotation. Is it one guy where ill.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you Tyron Young replaced him. Then you have Moro
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Jomo and Jordan Davis.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Interesting, you wonder at what point it's Ty Robinson you're
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: gonna start? And you know, again we're in OTAs. We
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: don't make it much out of anything. And Byron Young
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: is an experienced player. But we have talked about the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: need for this to be a jump year or a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: leap year for for Ty Robinson.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It's a huge uh and you hate to say here,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: but it is. It's a It's a big season for
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: for Ty Robinson going into his second summer. He's an
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: older second year player. And look when we you look
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: at this defensive tackle group next season. Moro Jumo's contract
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: is up at the end of this year, so is
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Byron Young's. They really need Ty Robinson to step up
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and be the player that they envision when they draft
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: him in the fourth round.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Well, one more for you, because everybody everybody's guy for
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: training camp because he's he's sort of like the guy
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: people are so intrigued by.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: He's never played football before. You are, Bernard, what have
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: you seen so far? Not a ton I was.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I was kind of watching his movements and things like that.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I still think he's a little stiff. He needs to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: become a little bit more fluid.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: But you can't.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You can't look at Uar and not come away and
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: pressed with just how chiseled he is. He looks like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: he's carved from granite. But obviously we as we all
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: know it's going to be a work in progress. But
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the fluidity is something that I'm looking to keep an
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: eye on, you know, as the months progress here.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And you wonder how much of that is. He's obviously
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: very athletic, and I don't know if anybody if you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: put him out on a track or had him playing
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: soccer or something, he probably has good fluidity. You have
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to wonder how much of what's going on up here
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: just exactly lower and hesitant.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: You know, Well that's he's thinking. That's where the stiffness
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: comes in.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Because if you don't if you don't take the right step,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: it looks like you don't move correctly. So he's a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: major project of major projects. But their Eagles are playing
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: along with him.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: It's not about this year, it's about way down the road.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: It's just about him to learn how what football's like.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: You know, it's but like Andrew says, man, he looks
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: apart Man.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you get a sense of how they're coaching
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: him in these practices. Do you see Clint Hurt like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in his ears, getting yelled at or like because this
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: is welcome to the NFL, or are they treating him
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit differently any sense?
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I don't see him getting
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: yelled at, he said, the practices that I've been there for.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But I do see Clint Hurt taking a more gradual
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: approach with him. And that's really shouldn't be a surprise
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: when you think back to the draft call from the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Eagles video that they released, and they're going to rally
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: around him, They're going to support them, and they understand
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: that it's going to be a process. And Clint Hurt
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: is masterful when it comes to the teaching element, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: he has there's not a you know, it's not a
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: uniform approach and how he goes about everybody. He knows
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: how to press the right buttons, he knows what makes
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: each player tick, and he's going to kind of take
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that nurturing approach when it comes to uar.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: H good stuff all right, Let's get into some sort
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of things that stood out to you that maybe not
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: be just anything, whether it's a play, a personnel group,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and anything that really kind of jumped out that you
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: make note of.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Hurts, the best play of the day for
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: him was on a long wheel route completion to Saquon
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Barkley where Saquon got behind Zach Bonn and Jeremiah Trotter Junior.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Squon always seems to turn up with these, with these
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you know, flashy wheel routes and training camp and OTAs.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: But we'll see if you see more of an influx
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of that in the regular season. But Jaywen did have
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: some bullets, particularly one underneath to DeVante Smith hit him
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: right in stride. There was a couple of Dallas Goddard.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Now he did throw a really nice It was a
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: well placed ball down the left side line to Goddard
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: who had a step on Drew mccouba, but Godard wasn't
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: able to reel it in. That was the second play
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of seven on seven. So the first play of seven
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: on seven's Jayleen got picked off by Jeremiah Trotter Junior,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: who's kind of sunk in the coverage and just jumped
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in front of the pass. Interesting, okay, but I thought
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Andy Dalton really stuck out to me with his processing
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and the touch that he had on his passes was
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a lot sharper than he was in the previous time
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that we got a chance to see him. And there
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: was a throw that he had down the scene to E. J.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Jenkins that was a highlight. There was another one that
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: was between Andre sam and Mac McWilliams that he threaded
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: perfectly to Elijah Moore. He just seems to you could
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: see that he's just a consummate pro and he seems
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: becoming increasingly more more comfortable.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Mac wifiams, I assume slot right, yeah, Nick Korea, Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, he was okay. Uh.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You know with Andy Dalton as we finished here, his
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: thing was always processing when when he doesn't press, that
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: ball comes out like that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Before he was one year he would he was it
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: wouldn't gonna be the MVP, but he was in the
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: running for it, and he got hurt. He had a hand,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: he had a hand injury.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: But then it was just slow proper assessing, not getting
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: rid of the football, taking hits, minor injuries and it's
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: become a journeyman by he's thirty eight.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: But the Eagles, as we reported at the time, they
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: actually was between.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Ironically the Eagles in Carolina and then Eagles wind up
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: trading for him from Carolina.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: How about that?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And lastly, because I know we're getting out of here,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the player of the day, alongside Andy Dalton was Reek
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Woeing Rieke Wohing stride for stride with Hollywood Brown on
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a deep shot from Jalen Hurts. The play was incomplete.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: He had a breakup in the end zone during a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: red zone period. You could just see his length and
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: movement ability. He's tough to get around. He's just really
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: tough to get around. I'm fascinated because I've never seen
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: or covered a player with these type of dimensions, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I could see that. You know, as long as he's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: able to take to this defense and be assignment sound
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and someone that Vic Vangio can trust, he I think
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: he's going to have a nice season.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I look forward to seeing the battles.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Whoever, whether it's obviously DeVante's Smith is now the best
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: receiver with Brown traded, whoever lines up Hollywood Brown.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: You just talked about that, matchup.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: But when they get eleven elevens of the pats On
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: or when the competition becomes fierce, I really look forward
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: to seeing what Wooland does, to see if they could
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: get him, because he just talked about it Simon sound
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: being disciplined.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: That's the key with this guy. He wasn't last year.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: That's why they tried to trade him. M h.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: By the way, I remember the first time I met
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald and I was having a conversation with him
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and I and the whole time I'm talking to him,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I have never seen anything like this, like
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver, because I don't think I ever was
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: in like Randy Moss's area to have a conversation with
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: him like I did with Fitzgerald. And sometimes you just
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: come across these athletes who are not built like that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: So good stuff. I know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: The Eagles will have another OTA next week and we'll
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: maybe too, Actually that might be open to the media.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: We'll see and we'll have Andrew back for more takeaways,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: observations and intel on what goes on.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: The next time we're there is mandatory many June ninth next.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's perfect, So we'll have even more observations.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody will be expected to be there for Andrew to
• 25:08
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• 25:10
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• 25:12
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