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George Carlin Gets Quoted in the Supreme Court: Ridiculous Stand-up Stories with Wayne Federman · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Before we get started, folks, it's important to know that
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Speaker 1: this episode contained some strong and explicit language that may
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Speaker 1: we decided we couldn't, not in good faith because this
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Speaker 1: episode is fundamentally about free speech and language. We hope
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Speaker 1: you enjoy. Yeah, welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians.
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Speaker 1: to me leaning into the mic. Well. So we are,
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Speaker 1: us save the show today. That is our guest super producer,
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Speaker 1: a glint in our eye and uh swinging our steps.
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Speaker 1: And we are also joined today by our incredible guest
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Speaker 1: Wayne Fetterman, who had some incredible things to say about
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Speaker 1: the history of stand up the storied careers of Lenny
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Speaker 1: Bruce and today specifically George Carlin. And without further ado,
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Speaker 1: let's get the show on the road. This is this
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Speaker 1: is incredible. I am still like, it's amazing. This all
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Speaker 1: happened when I was a kid, so it's just it
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Speaker 1: was just great. George Carlin again, who was you know,
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Speaker 1: a beneficiary of Lenny Bruce's expanding expansion of language, and
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Speaker 1: there was a number of comedians like it allowed Red
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Speaker 1: Fox and Richard Pryor to speak in their street vernacular
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Speaker 1: without getting arrested. You know. It was just like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, this is the way I talked on the
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Speaker 1: corner when I'm making people laugh. I think I can
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Speaker 1: bring this on stage. But Carlin was like, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what indecent or uh means exactly. So I'm going
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Speaker 1: to come up with a list of words you can
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Speaker 1: never say on television, and those words I'm going the
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Speaker 1: same right now. Please, this is in order. It's ship, piss, fuck, hunt, cocksucker, motherfucker,
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Speaker 1: and tits. So that is that was the original bit
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Speaker 1: of his. And he later was like, it's weird that
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Speaker 1: I put motherfucker in there because I already said funk earlier,
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Speaker 1: which is a version of it. But he just liked
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Speaker 1: the rhythm of it. And I just need to say
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Speaker 1: this because it's very important to the whole story. George
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Speaker 1: Carlin didn't want to be a comedian. George Carlin wanted
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Speaker 1: to be a famous actor, movie star, and his idol
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Speaker 1: was a guy named Danny Kay and Danny Kay was
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Speaker 1: known for these very twisty songs and speeches where he
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Speaker 1: would have high level of verbal acuity. Yeah, yeah, just
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Speaker 1: inject real quick. I'm so glad you mentioned Danny Kay, Wayne,
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Speaker 1: because he's he is one of the actors I loved
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Speaker 1: growing up, especially in the original version of Walter Middie.
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Speaker 1: So it's totally familiar with that turn in Freeze. So
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Speaker 1: that that was Carl's sort of north star for a while.
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Speaker 1: It was his north star until he realized that he
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Speaker 1: hated acting for kind of the reasons that we spoke
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Speaker 1: about earlier. That he was just he didn't like authority,
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Speaker 1: you know, so like, if there's a director on the
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Speaker 1: SAT tell him to stand here and say this, he's
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Speaker 1: not gonna like that. He didn't realize it at the time.
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Speaker 1: He was like, Oh, I'd rather just write and say
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Speaker 1: my own stuff, you know, and be completely free of
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Speaker 1: Even when he hosted Saturday Night Live, he said to
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Speaker 1: Laura Michaels, I don't want to be in these sketches.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to rehearse these things. Can I just
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Speaker 1: do my comedy and you know, and bring my brain
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Speaker 1: and my mouth and that'll be good. That'll be good.
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Speaker 1: And he's the first host of the first Saturday Night
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Speaker 1: Live in you know what I believe. So anyway, so
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Speaker 1: that's that ended his Danny cadream. But this bit, the
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Speaker 1: ship piss fuckunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits has a certain
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Speaker 1: Gilbert and Sullivan rhythm to it that he loved, and
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Speaker 1: that was part of the bit. That's what made that
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Speaker 1: as well as these words. So anyway, he did this
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Speaker 1: bit on an album called Class Clown, came out in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two. The next year he does another album
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Speaker 1: called Occupation Fool, and he expands on it and he
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Speaker 1: calls it the Filthy Words. This is what happens. There's
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Speaker 1: a public radio station or excuse me, not public radio
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Speaker 1: at PACIFICA and what is that? How would you describe
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Speaker 1: Pacific that network? College? Yeah, yeah, they're certainly not like
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Speaker 1: a top forty, right, They're kind of alternative for their day,
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Speaker 1: you know, right, progre I would say, progressive radio station
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Speaker 1: in New York. Again in New York, you know, the
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Speaker 1: vanguard of progressive ism w b AI. And they're doing
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Speaker 1: a whole thing about just language and the hypocrisy of
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Speaker 1: language and where is this thing? And so they play
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Speaker 1: Filthy Words, which is kind of an expanse. He talks
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Speaker 1: about ship a lot, ship face, the thing, what is
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Speaker 1: a you know, shit kicker and all of that. Some
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Speaker 1: guy named I John Douglas. I just I don't remember that,
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Speaker 1: but I wrote it down. He hears it in his
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Speaker 1: car with his fifteen year old son. Again, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: go back to youth, remember that statute youth and others,
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Speaker 1: And he calls the fc This is in the middle
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Speaker 1: of day afternoon. They play it and w b A
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Speaker 1: I says, look, this might be offensive, but I just
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Speaker 1: he's just talking about words. He's just using words to
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Speaker 1: talk about words and our language. So he caused the
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Speaker 1: f c C lodges a complaint. The f c C says,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a mark on your record. I think
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Speaker 1: some people said it was a hundred dollar fine. Other
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Speaker 1: people said no, I'm not sure. And basically w b
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Speaker 1: AI Pacific A Radio says I'm gonna sue the f
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Speaker 1: c C and and say this is unconstitutional because of
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Speaker 1: the First Amendment. Before playing this, George Carlin bit on
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Speaker 1: the air at two o'clock on a Tuesday afternoon in
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Speaker 1: nineteen any questions, I think we're with you so far,
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Speaker 1: but this sounds like sounds like it's about to get
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Speaker 1: quickly out of control. Right. Guess what the US Court
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Speaker 1: of Appeals in Washington, d C. You may be familiar
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Speaker 1: with that court. Brett Kavanaugh was just on that court.
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Speaker 1: Marrick Garland is on that court. That's considered that the
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Speaker 1: highest up to the right below the Supreme Court, the
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Speaker 1: penultimate court. Right. They agree with Pacifica They were like, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is this is too broader definition of what's in
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Speaker 1: indecent or obscene, and we're going to strike down this
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Speaker 1: fine or this mark on your record. So guess what.
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Speaker 1: They bring it to the Supreme Court, And in the
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Speaker 1: five to four decision, this is George Carlin, a ninth
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Speaker 1: grade dropout, having his words read in the Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: about whether they think these words are indecent or obscene
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Speaker 1: or what the difference between indecent or obscene is. And uh,
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Speaker 1: guess what. The Court, in a very narrow fighter four decisions,
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Speaker 1: says that during the daytime hours, the fcc US have
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Speaker 1: the right to say you can't play anything that would
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Speaker 1: be considered obscene or indecent, but after ten o'clock you can't. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think that the term is a safe harbor. I
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Speaker 1: believe is the term they that is right. I love
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Speaker 1: the research you guys are doing, So that's kind of
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Speaker 1: what happened. I just Carlin to the day he died.
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Speaker 1: He said he always had a perverse pride in the
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Speaker 1: fact that somewhere in Supreme Court like case law as
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Speaker 1: a precedent that his stupid routine he did on an
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Speaker 1: album called you Know class. Excuse me, occupation full is
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Speaker 1: uh is part of the history, the legal history of
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Speaker 1: the United States. Well, let's hear a quick moment of
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Speaker 1: Carlin himself talking about how he feels about words and
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Speaker 1: some of this love it. There is absolutely nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with any of those words in and of themselves. They're
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Speaker 1: only words. It's the context, ac counts, It's the user.
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Speaker 1: It's the intention behind the words that makes them good
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Speaker 1: are bad. The words are completely neutral, The words are innocent.
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Speaker 1: I get tired of people talking about bad words and
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Speaker 1: bad language. Bullshit. It's the context that makes them going
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Speaker 1: our bad, the context that nice them good to bad.
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Speaker 1: We do also want to mention we would be remiss
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Speaker 1: if we skipped this part. Not only not only is
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Speaker 1: Carlin's are excerpts of Carlin's performance and his writing part
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Speaker 1: of Supreme Court case law. But he was quoted alongside
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Speaker 1: Shakespeare and passages from the Bible. They think of the
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Speaker 1: Bible and the Bible they mentioned the line. They were like, oh,
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Speaker 1: is is this uh motherfucker stuff so bad? Because the
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Speaker 1: Bible says he who pisteth against the wall, So where's
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Speaker 1: the line? And then they also mentioned Shakespeare saying pissing conduits.
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Speaker 1: So this became an argument, um, and started as this
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Speaker 1: again sort of hypocritical argument about decency and the hearts
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Speaker 1: and mind minds of the innocent and unspoiled, but it
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Speaker 1: quickly became a much more I think, a much more
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Speaker 1: intelligent argument about the role of language and literature. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, good on Carlin. Yeah, he earned it,
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Speaker 1: no doubt. And I'm still deciding whether or not we
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Speaker 1: can even release this episode fully uncensored. There is a
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Speaker 1: family show technically way just f y I but I
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Speaker 1: think this is valuable to the point of, like, you
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Speaker 1: can't censor it, uh, and it it almost does. It
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Speaker 1: would be hypocritical of us. It would be hilariously hypocritical. Um,
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Speaker 1: this is like we're caught in a loop here. We
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Speaker 1: are get a lot of talk about these words. Now
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be censored. Um. No, it's true because Carlin
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Speaker 1: couldn't say these words when he did The Tonight Shoe
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Speaker 1: or talk about it that way. But when he did
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Speaker 1: Chris Rocks hbo Joe, he was able to say the words.
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Speaker 1: So it is interesting. I mean, it's still you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: want to say these words in front of a kid.
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Speaker 1: I guess right. It depends on the kid. Yeah, some
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Speaker 1: kids have really tough, tough constitutions. My nine year old,
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Speaker 1: who's actually here right now, has been like giving us
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Speaker 1: the devil horns this whole time. Dan. Yeah, yeah, but man,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know where do we go from here?
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Speaker 1: So yeah, what's next? Well, the Supreme Court case was
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, but really what happened in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy five changed everything, And that's when HBO started doing
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Speaker 1: these our specials. They were called eventually called on location
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Speaker 1: and the first one was done by Robert Klein at
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Speaker 1: a school in the Northeast, and he's a very clean comedian,
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Speaker 1: but even in that specially goes, all right, I have
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Speaker 1: total freedom to say anything. Uh shit, you know, he
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Speaker 1: just said, just to say the words and uh. But
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Speaker 1: then the next in nineteen seventy seven, Carlin does and
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Speaker 1: if you can find this this would be amazing, his
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Speaker 1: first of fourteen HBO specials. And before the special begins,
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Speaker 1: they have a newscaster talking about that this there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be some language on here that you're not used to
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Speaker 1: hearing on television. And then this it gets even crazier.
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Speaker 1: In the middle of an HBO special, they stopped the
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Speaker 1: special and run a disclaimer over the screen saying, the
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Speaker 1: next portion of this comedy act will contain language that
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Speaker 1: might be unsuitable for children, please, and then cuts back
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Speaker 1: to Carlin at usc just to bring it all full
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Speaker 1: circle at Bovard Auditorium and uh and then talks about
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Speaker 1: you know, these this language and these words, and he
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Speaker 1: sort of became famous for this in a way where
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Speaker 1: the language and the the arrest of Lenny Bruce sort
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Speaker 1: of destroyed Lenny Bruce. In a way, it did make
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Speaker 1: him famous, but he became so consumed with it, and
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Speaker 1: if you really listen to his act at the end,
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Speaker 1: a lot of times he would just read court transcripts.
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Speaker 1: Was his act. He was obsessed. Huh, yes, yes, very
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Speaker 1: much so. And you know, I don't know how much
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Speaker 1: of the drugs will make a paranoid or whatever, but
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Speaker 1: it's like, it's very it's it's really sad to listen
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Speaker 1: to him just go on and on about it. And
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Speaker 1: in a way it elevated Carlin's career. So in a
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Speaker 1: short period of time from let's say sixty five till
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Speaker 1: I guess seventy five, like in those ten years have
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Speaker 1: started to change. And then once we got those HBO specials,
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Speaker 1: suddenly there's Red Fox to win an HBO special where
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Speaker 1: you know, he's like, I don't want to repeat the language,
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Speaker 1: but it's you know, it is graphic adult entertainment. So
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Speaker 1: and that continues to this day. Although I will say this,
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Speaker 1: I do feel like there's a different kind of censorship
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Speaker 1: going on now in in comedy a little bit, and
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Speaker 1: Carlin talked about it at the end that he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: play colleges, and I know Seinfeld won't, and I know
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Speaker 1: Chris Rock because people are so sensitive about hearing something
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Speaker 1: that might be offensive, like offensive is the new anddecent
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Speaker 1: in our society. Again, no one's gonna get arrested, which
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Speaker 1: you might get shamed or lose a job because of it.
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Speaker 1: So what would be an example of that? What do
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Speaker 1: you mean like like like like or like somebody being
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I can think of one off
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Speaker 1: the top, And this is a really extreme example. That
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Speaker 1: guy Milo Unapolis, who is a alt right kind of
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Speaker 1: looting tune. Like you can you can disagree with what
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Speaker 1: he has to say, but technically, you know, you would
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Speaker 1: like to have him have the right to say it.
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Speaker 1: But he's also not doing comedy. No, he's not doing comedy,
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Speaker 1: but he's comedy. But he was he was banned from
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Speaker 1: all these college campuses. And this is not me saying
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Speaker 1: good on Milo. I'm just saying we're talking about the
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Speaker 1: First Amendment, and there are lines between like, you know,
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Speaker 1: being indecent and and uh, you know, being a supporter
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Speaker 1: of violence. So the whole deal with like indecency is
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Speaker 1: like or freedom of speeches, like you can say what
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Speaker 1: you want as long as you're not actively hurting something.
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Speaker 1: Freedom of speech is also not freedom from consequences. That's
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Speaker 1: also true. But I'm just wondering, like this whole PC
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Speaker 1: police thing. I think that's why I brought up this
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Speaker 1: extreme example, because he is an extreme example of not
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Speaker 1: being PC. And I don't think this exclusively a discussion
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Speaker 1: about comedy. This is about speech, so yes it is,
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Speaker 1: and I look, I agree. Look, I'm listening very carefully
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Speaker 1: to what you're saying, and I agree with you, and
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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not that from me with my low
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Speaker 1: stuff other than being in his fan club, but I
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Speaker 1: know I'll no I but I I do think it's
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Speaker 1: interesting that Carlin and Seinfeld and Chris Rock won't play
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Speaker 1: colleges because of how offensive much some people might find
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Speaker 1: what they're saying, which is strange. It's not strange because
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Speaker 1: you can really get I don't want to use the
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Speaker 1: word bullied, but you can really get publicly shamed online
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Speaker 1: in a big way if you know, if people think
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Speaker 1: what you're saying is offensive. And again, I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't affect me personally, but as a hiss somebody
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Speaker 1: who's like interested in the history of comedy, I feel
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Speaker 1: like the walls are narrowing, as opposed to for so
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Speaker 1: long in my life they just kept broadening. And it
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Speaker 1: used to be like if you made fund of Catholics
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Speaker 1: or something like that and they get upset, you're like, well,
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Speaker 1: f of them if they can't take a joke. But
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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist anymore for sudden people who feel like
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Speaker 1: you can't make kind of a marginalized community. That's a euphemism.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. So it's
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Speaker 1: like any any of that. So it's I know, this
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Speaker 1: is off the track a little bit. I don't even
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Speaker 1: know if you want to not at all, not at all,
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Speaker 1: but I do think it's it is interesting that we've
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Speaker 1: become we've sort of shrunk back to a much more
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Speaker 1: like be careful, walking on eggshells comedy around certain subjects
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Speaker 1: that didn't exist when I was a kid. And I
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Speaker 1: know Carlin said something phenomenal about it. He said that
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Speaker 1: political correctness is and I'm paraphrasing here, insipid because it
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Speaker 1: comes under the guys of tolerance. It's like, that's you're
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Speaker 1: under the guys of hey, we're just trying to make
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Speaker 1: it all better for everyone. But basically what you're doing,
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Speaker 1: you're saying. You can't say that. He hated that. It's
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Speaker 1: the opposite of comedy, right, it's the opposite of what
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Speaker 1: stand up comedy, the opposite of free speech. Yeah, more importantly, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but but he knew. You know, it was interesting that
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Speaker 1: he had that that side. He saw it coming and
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Speaker 1: he really railed against it in a big way. Do
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Speaker 1: you see this trend? You know, we've we've walked through
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Speaker 1: some of the history, so let's let's walk towards the future.
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Speaker 1: Do you see this trend escalating or do you think
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Speaker 1: it's just another cyclical thing that will fall away. I
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Speaker 1: guess what I'm asking is, do we have some more
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court cases in the future. If we had to
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Speaker 1: guess that would I don't think so, because I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's about the guy. I don't think any government
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Speaker 1: is is going in And I don't to tell you
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Speaker 1: the truth, I don't know. It all depends on hate speech,
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Speaker 1: is basically. What it comes down to is whether you
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Speaker 1: think hate speech is something that should exist or that
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Speaker 1: it's completely protected by the First Amendment. So and you know,
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Speaker 1: I know you're not allowed to incite somebody. These words
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Speaker 1: are so you know, a morphous I know you're not
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Speaker 1: allowed to do that. So so I don't think this
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Speaker 1: is This is more about you know, vigilante vigilanteism in
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Speaker 1: speech control, you know, in the same way Catholics used
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Speaker 1: to do it in the you know, in the forties.
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Speaker 1: It's such a slippery slope too, because what about like
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Speaker 1: things like dog whistle politics, where you have these uh,
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Speaker 1: potentially racist speakers that aren't outright saying kill kill this
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Speaker 1: group of people or hurt this group of people, but
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Speaker 1: they're using these kind of coded words that speak to
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Speaker 1: their base or what have you, and then that's interpreted.
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Speaker 1: But you know, from a legal standpoint, you can't say, oh,
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Speaker 1: he said to do this because it's all in the subtexteah,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, it's that's the whole thought
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Speaker 1: police thing where it's like, once you start banning words
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Speaker 1: like Carlin's words, you potentially could ban any words. So
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Speaker 1: it's a dangerous territory. But it's also like where does
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Speaker 1: that leave us? I strongly feel like we should not
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Speaker 1: bleep this episode. Yeah, we just gonna have to put
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Speaker 1: a really strongly worded sorry. I didn't know why did
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Speaker 1: you make me say those? Because we thought it'd be
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Speaker 1: funny if you bleep them, and then in staid like
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Speaker 1: do your homework. But now we were pretty much from
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Speaker 1: the start not gonna And also, you nailed the cadence,
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Speaker 1: so you gotta have the cadence. You can't just read
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Speaker 1: the seven words in some sort of like you have
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Speaker 1: to Danny kay it up a little bit. That's true. Well,
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Speaker 1: this this has been illuminating, and I like that we're
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Speaker 1: ending on a question where And the thing about this
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Speaker 1: story is that it's not over now. This conversation, this conflict,
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Speaker 1: this controversy continues of far past the fifties and the
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Speaker 1: late forties into the future into the new millennium. But
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Speaker 1: that's kind of what I was saying at the top
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Speaker 1: of the show, where it's like, you know, comedy and
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Speaker 1: and this kind of thing that you that you know
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Speaker 1: has this the guys of like, oh, this is entertained, man,
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Speaker 1: this is light. Stuff is just to kind of pass
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Speaker 1: the time. Yet we're talking about it in terms of
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Speaker 1: like race riots and the use of language to like
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Speaker 1: physically hurt people and incite, you know, these kind of
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Speaker 1: crazy events that can happen and that we're seeing happen
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Speaker 1: in the news. And we're talking about the freedom of
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Speaker 1: thought in a very real way. And the interesting thing
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Speaker 1: is this is the first Amendment to the Constitution, like
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Speaker 1: thinking they would have no idea back then, But how
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Speaker 1: powerful an idea that the government shall make no laws
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Speaker 1: infringing on freedom of speech? Like that is insane that
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Speaker 1: that's still I just I love those guys, crazy white
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Speaker 1: slave owners. Okay, can I do a little button for
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Speaker 1: the whole episode please? You might find interesting or it's not,
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Speaker 1: who knows. But when I was on Curb Your Enthusiasm,
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Speaker 1: I played a character named Dean Weinstock, and the name
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Speaker 1: Weinstock was named after a comedian name Lotus Winstock who
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Speaker 1: has since passed away. But Lotus wine Stock, and you
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Speaker 1: can look her up, was Lenny Bruce's last girlfriend. Full
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Speaker 1: Circle fal Sir, I knew Lotus too, I knew her,
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Speaker 1: I knew I did chose with her. Holy smokes, I know,
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Speaker 1: I know, you know what this is a This is
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Speaker 1: a rare moment, I think for my co host and
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Speaker 1: I because we stopped for a second and just stared
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Speaker 1: at each other. Because that that is a perfect ending.
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Speaker 1: We've got to say that, I think ridiculous historians listening now,
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Speaker 1: if you enjoyed this episode a fraction as much as
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Speaker 1: we enjoyed this interview, then by god, we've we've done
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Speaker 1: something right. Yeah, seriously, I think if you want more
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Speaker 1: of this, you should check out Wayne's new podcast, which
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Speaker 1: goes even deeper into the history of stand up. It's
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Speaker 1: really really good and it's out there. Now. What are
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Speaker 1: you guys about two episodes deep? It's it's it's like
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Speaker 1: a mini series, right, it's six episodes and we're five
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Speaker 1: in so we're just about done just about the first season,
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Speaker 1: and then we might do deep dives in the second season.
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Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see that's awesome. We'd love to hear.
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Speaker 1: I'm also envious of a show that has a clock
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Speaker 1: on it. We just have to do this show forever
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Speaker 1: until we die. It's sort of a sisyphia and endeavor.
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Speaker 1: But thank you, by the way, this is gonna be
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Speaker 1: a two parter because this has been so much fun
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Speaker 1: and we already had like a nice even divide down
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Speaker 1: the middle between Lenny and UH and George UM, and
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Speaker 1: this has just been a delight. Man. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for coming on, and we really appreciate you diving
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Speaker 1: deep with us, Noel and Ben. I gotta say it
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Speaker 1: was a delight on this on this end as well.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just glad that the Danny Kay that we
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Speaker 1: gave Danny Kay is due. It's quite quite a comedian
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Speaker 1: and a big, big influence on George Garland. And maybe,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe we can just throw a Danny Kay
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Speaker 1: clip somewhere in this episode so you can get the
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Speaker 1: word I mean, he's loaded, loaded with patter songs in there,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, everything you take taboo, take taboo,
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Speaker 1: take taboo, breathing his ticket typoo once up should meet me, David,
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Speaker 1: you did could be snaket tippoo snaket tippoo snaket tippoo.
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Speaker 1: With the sky so blinketty blue, it causes one to
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Speaker 1: say bless mankind, including my attackers. I'm incline. The feeling
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Speaker 1: is as a jolly wello. It's absolutely so. There you
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Speaker 1: have it, folks. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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Speaker 1: Thanks to our super producer Paul, Thanks for our super
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Speaker 1: producer Casey, and thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme.
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Speaker 1: Thanks to our research folk who we love dearly Eve's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cote and Christopher Hasiotis, and most importantly, thank you
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Speaker 1: Ben and thank you Wayne. It has been the best.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Noel, and thank you very much. Wayne. We
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Speaker 1: are not blowing smoke about the history of stand up
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Speaker 1: Go check out the show. I mean you will look
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Speaker 1: I I think I said it earlier. I'm officially going
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Speaker 1: to be insufferable at house parties are already pretty insufferable
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Speaker 1: at house party has been. That's what you know. That's
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Speaker 1: why only party in the yard you can say you
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Speaker 1: the next level. I'm gonna go inside. We'll see you
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Speaker 1: next time, folks. Chow