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Patrick Deneen & The Post Liberal Right | Yaron & Nikos Dialogues · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: Mused, and this is show.
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  Speaker 2: Oh everybody, welcome to one rock show. Well you are
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  Speaker 2: a Nikos Dialogues and thanks for joining us on this Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: I guess depends where you are. It's it's pretty late
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  Speaker 2: for Nikos, it's a little earlier for me. It seems
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  Speaker 2: like it's pretty warm over there in Athens. You keep
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  Speaker 2: you look.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in the middle of a heat wave. The
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  Speaker 3: whole summary in Athens is a long heat wave summary.
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  Speaker 3: Greece is overrated. Summer anywhere where it's not cold, I
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  Speaker 3: would say, is overrated.
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  Speaker 2: So you like cold, all right?
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  Speaker 3: I like cold.
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  Speaker 2: Another disagreement between Nikos and I. I mean, we'll build them.
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  Speaker 2: We're creating a database of all all the things so
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  Speaker 2: we can debate these things one day.
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  Speaker 3: But also agreements. I saw you yesterday, so I saw
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  Speaker 3: that you like a blackup.
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  Speaker 2: This was very Oh absolutely, it's greatness.
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  Speaker 3: That's how we agree on things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I think we're going to agree with Patrick Denian.
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  Speaker 2: So so let's jump in and uh talk about denin
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  Speaker 2: an important figure. I think today is one of the
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  Speaker 2: intellectual leaders, if not the pre eminent intellectual leader of
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  Speaker 2: kind of the new right. A really intellectual I mean
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  Speaker 2: given credit. I mean is a a PhD. Tarder, Princeton, Tartter,
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  Speaker 2: Georgetown now teaches it Notre Dame and there's a full
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  Speaker 2: professor there. It has written a number of books, writes
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  Speaker 2: a lot of articles, has built a movement, if you will,
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  Speaker 2: we know he is influential with Jade Vans jd Evans
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  Speaker 2: as has spoken about it, has spoken the conferences that
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  Speaker 2: Daneans has organized. Uh and Danan has spoken about his
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  Speaker 2: relationship with Jed Evans. But also Daneen has a much
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  Speaker 2: broader influence on on the national conservative movement and the
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  Speaker 2: Christian conservative movements, and the integralist movements and the kind
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  Speaker 2: of common good conservative movement, which includes a number of
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  Speaker 2: other academics around the country.
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  Speaker 3: So I think people they didn't confused with all these titles,
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  Speaker 3: by the end of the episode, they will not be
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  Speaker 3: confused because we're going to explain to you how they
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  Speaker 3: sect what are what are the difference, So you've got
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  Speaker 3: to get full clarity on.
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  Speaker 2: That absolutely, and and and he's also come out for
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  Speaker 2: kind of popularism because it kind of aristotilic aristo populism.
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  Speaker 2: So he's kind of a Trump supporter, but very much.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody who I think has framed the critique of Bond
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  Speaker 2: in society has fame the kritik of liberalism on the way,
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  Speaker 2: and as a good intellectual, which you know, as an
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  Speaker 2: influential intellection, put it that way. He is then cited
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  Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and his material is
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  Speaker 2: used by many people on the way to criticize the
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  Speaker 2: world in which we live in, even if they don't
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  Speaker 2: attribute it to Denian. So he's had a massive influence since,
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  Speaker 2: certainly since his publication of the Failure of Liberalism.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen. So he was the first serious intellectual
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  Speaker 3: who gave a voice to the Maga movement. Before that,
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  Speaker 3: you would say the Maga movement was figures like Pride,
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  Speaker 3: but was already dead. But his publication, Bannon was not.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't ever write a manifesto. And then you have
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  Speaker 3: cultural warriors the type of Milo Yanopolos and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: So there in twenty eighteen comes Partrick thenl with why
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  Speaker 3: liberalism failed and provides the Maga movement with an intellectual suggestion,
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  Speaker 3: an intellectual proposition. He wasn't resume intellectual at that point,
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  Speaker 3: but from then till now, this proposition, these ideas have
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  Speaker 3: been taken on board by people like Jay Devans, who
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  Speaker 3: will be the tomorrow, the next day of the Republican
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  Speaker 3: Party after the truck. Because while Trump was on board,
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  Speaker 3: what only maked was Trump's personality, Trumps erratic instinctive politics.
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  Speaker 3: But now we see a whole ideology, a whole set
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  Speaker 3: of ideas being formed for the day after tomorrow, for
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  Speaker 3: the day after Trump, for MAGA two point.
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  Speaker 2: Zo and yes, and I think the Nina is very
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  Speaker 2: much going to be an architect of whatever is being formed.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it might not agree with every points and
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  Speaker 2: every every element of it, but he is. He is
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  Speaker 2: kind of the intellectual behind the scenes that is influencing
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  Speaker 2: all the all the other intellectuals.
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  Speaker 3: And an interesting exercise for our audience, those of you
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  Speaker 3: who watched two weeks ago when we did the Deep Breakdown,
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  Speaker 3: the Deep Dive for Jadvance, notice how many of the
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  Speaker 3: things that you heard two weeks today, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: sound familiar. But if we did it in a temporal
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  Speaker 3: timeline form, the need would come first. Jivan's idea would come.
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  Speaker 2: Second, definitely. And there were criticisms of modernity before and
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  Speaker 2: there was there were obviously intellectuals that supported Trump, like
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  Speaker 2: the people that claim on Institute and other people on
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  Speaker 2: the way, but they have a more shrill, hysterical, panicked
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  Speaker 2: voice to them. The name comes.
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  Speaker 4: Across as a catholic of Histitilian scholar trying to really
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  Speaker 4: much more analyze this and give it in, really flash
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  Speaker 4: it out and really, you know, criticize it, not emotionally,
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  Speaker 4: but criticize it, you know, academically.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So Sally beginning, So let's.
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  Speaker 2: Jump in with this with what it's all about. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: we should start with, you know, what does it even mean? Bilbalism? Good?
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  Speaker 3: That should be the starting point because what he means
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  Speaker 3: by liberalism is not only different from what the average
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  Speaker 3: American we understand by liberals. They would understand Roosevelt, Obama
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  Speaker 3: or something like that. It's also different from what you
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  Speaker 3: and me would understand as liberal. So for the neither
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  Speaker 3: two types of liberty and liberalisms, the political resil that
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  Speaker 3: would promote these two ideas of liberty. The first, which
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  Speaker 3: he considers the wrong idea of liberty, is the liberty
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  Speaker 3: for people to do whatever they want without external constraints.
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  Speaker 3: Some would define it non coercion principle. Someone else would
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  Speaker 3: define it the right to use on your mind and
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  Speaker 3: act accordingly. But more or less, we understand liberty means
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  Speaker 3: I can go on in my life if I don't
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  Speaker 3: hurt other people, if I don't physically quertion them, without
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  Speaker 3: anyone intervening with my life. He says, this is the
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  Speaker 3: conventional but the wrong type of liberty. Why because this
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  Speaker 3: is not a true liberty. Because this liberty does not
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  Speaker 3: protect you from your disastrous basket case, that is, your
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  Speaker 3: inner self. Left alone to your own devices, you might
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  Speaker 3: fall victim to everything from drugs, pornography, wrong decisions, abandoning
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  Speaker 3: the norms and the and the traditions that build this
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  Speaker 3: beautiful civilization that is the Western civilization. So liberty in
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  Speaker 3: terms of you do what you want has the negative
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  Speaker 3: connotation for them. And this is the type of liberty
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  Speaker 3: that fail. This is the type of liberal is not
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  Speaker 3: as faith. Now there's a second type of liberty, and
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  Speaker 3: for the init the proper type of liberty, which is
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  Speaker 3: to do what you have to do with prudence and
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  Speaker 3: with respect to the norms of your society, of your elders,
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  Speaker 3: respect to those who came before you and those who
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  Speaker 3: will come after them. So for the need true liberty
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  Speaker 3: requires self constraint. And the best provider of such self
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  Speaker 3: constraint is not just the law. It's not just telling
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  Speaker 3: you don't get drunk and start beating people. But the
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  Speaker 3: best constraint is the norms and the traditions of your community.
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  Speaker 3: So it is your community who makes you who you are,
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  Speaker 3: according to the Needy. So, to put it in a
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  Speaker 3: simple sentence, why did liberally fail? Again? That's the whole
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  Speaker 3: title of this book, liberal and fail because it did
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  Speaker 3: away with such constraints, constraints a family tradition, and this
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  Speaker 3: led to an anarchy without norms that leads to self
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  Speaker 3: distractive and even worse, to community distracting behavior, and a
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  Speaker 3: community distracting behavior. Be for example, you your own left
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  Speaker 3: the country of your parents, and you flew to a
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  Speaker 3: different country to pursue your own dreams for the need.
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  Speaker 3: This is a community at least maybe not distractive, but
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  Speaker 3: community upsetting behavior. And this even worse, makes you feel
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  Speaker 3: that you are at the center of a universe. And
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  Speaker 3: this creates in you what he calls the soul of
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  Speaker 3: a tyrant, or what he calls a glatony for power,
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  Speaker 3: that I can't do everything. It's like almost as if it.
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  Speaker 3: Watch a movie a super villain like you know, they
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  Speaker 3: have the evil laughter. I have the freedom, which means
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  Speaker 3: I can do everything. And this is the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: everything wrong. This is why liberalism failed, as is the
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  Speaker 3: title of his book.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, what he's really suggesting is that there's
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  Speaker 2: the individualistic view that you know, man has the capacity
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  Speaker 2: and the ability to take care of himself to pursue
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  Speaker 2: his own values, That he has the capacity to reason
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  Speaker 2: basically is false. That human beings as individuals do not
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  Speaker 2: have that capacity, and therefore we are a political animal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he'd quote Aristotle here, and a
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  Speaker 2: social animal. And as such, what you know that we
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  Speaker 2: need communities to be able to help guide us, and
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  Speaker 2: we need tradition, and we need rules in order to
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  Speaker 2: guide us because individuals themselves cannot use their mind to
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  Speaker 2: pursue their own values, because the mind ultimately is impotent,
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  Speaker 2: and our emotions of a wider reason. And so for
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  Speaker 2: beings kind of there's a real Catholic original sin here, right.
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  Speaker 2: The original sin is that you know that our emotions
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  Speaker 2: are desires, and in conflict with our region, our body
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  Speaker 2: is our original sin.
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  Speaker 3: In many respects, he does not openly make this epistemological point,
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  Speaker 3: but he makes this point by by indirectly, so he says,
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  Speaker 3: what makes us who we are? It's not we're not
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  Speaker 3: beings of self made soul, as ann we are beings
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  Speaker 3: of communal soul. It's the community who makes us who
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  Speaker 3: we are. Therefore, without the community to proper form us,
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  Speaker 3: to properly gives us safe, we are lost. This is
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  Speaker 3: why in his latest book, which is an analysis of
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  Speaker 3: the old dessay, he says that all the monsters, if
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  Speaker 3: you think about it, they live without a community. Kirk
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  Speaker 3: or however the colon meanly cirsi or whatever. Any Greek
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  Speaker 3: kirky lives alone in an island. Cyclops live alone in
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  Speaker 3: an island. They live without the police. And his analysis
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  Speaker 3: that this is a metaphor for what individualism does to you.
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  Speaker 3: It makes you sad, miserable, but also a monster. So
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  Speaker 3: you're a danger to yourself and you're also a danger
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  Speaker 3: to those to those around you. And look, a sympathetic
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  Speaker 3: reading would be That's what Joko Willig says discipline me calledstridom,
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  Speaker 3: that to live a good life you have to be
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  Speaker 3: disciplined and to do the right things and not do
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  Speaker 3: whatever you want. But we already have a term for
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  Speaker 3: this thing, which is discipline. So it's not clear to
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  Speaker 3: me why the need has to give this very distorted
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  Speaker 3: or weird definition of liberty in order then to attack liberty.
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  Speaker 3: So this is what he does. He defines liberty in
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  Speaker 3: a way that then it becomes obvious that we can
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  Speaker 3: attack it. That obviously we don't want anarchy, we don't
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  Speaker 3: want to drag the day's the porn addicts. Therefore, liberalism
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  Speaker 3: has been tried and failed. Therefore capitalism unless a society
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  Speaker 3: has been tried and failed. This is the scheme, the
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  Speaker 3: very convenient scheme he erects in order them to demolism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I think it's his underlying
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  Speaker 2: premise is a hatred of individual, of the individual, and individualism.
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  Speaker 2: And then he's trying to build a foundation to attack
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  Speaker 2: individualism and to present his particular form of collectivism, a
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  Speaker 2: traditionalist collectivism, a collectivism of the village, but known and
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  Speaker 2: of the past and of tradition. But he wants to
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  Speaker 2: do it in an academic you know, for you know,
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  Speaker 2: and and he doesn't get into the pistemology. But the
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  Speaker 2: pistemology is crucial here, right, there is a there's a
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a clear elitism in what he's actually
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  Speaker 2: doing and saying. Right, he is he is the platonic.
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  Speaker 2: He's very much a platonic, you know, a philosopher king
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  Speaker 2: so reason that knowing what is good for the common
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  Speaker 2: good good for the people. He's very concerned about the
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  Speaker 2: common person, right, he says at some point, Yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 2: these professors know what they want and don't know how
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  Speaker 2: to get it. But common people, you know, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we need to care about. They don't know. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's so he's trying to form a liberty that allows
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  Speaker 2: him to dictate to the common people what's good for
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  Speaker 2: them and how they should live.
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  Speaker 3: He's the Again, he's doing this in a way that
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  Speaker 3: you cannot pinpoint exactly what he's trying to do. So,
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  Speaker 3: for example, you'd say, I'm not for statism. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want it, so don't consider me a statist. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: every single argument that he makes us see those. But
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  Speaker 3: here's the mental acrobatics he does. He says, look, it's
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  Speaker 3: actually individualism that leads to statism. First of all, he
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  Speaker 3: considered that the number one characteristic of the left is
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  Speaker 3: the Left is for individualism and for progress, which to
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  Speaker 3: me it sounds as if it's opposite a day for
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  Speaker 3: the Left, But in his mind, for example, the trans
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  Speaker 3: movement means this idea that I can do whatever I want.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not bound by anything, including reality.
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  Speaker 2: So to him, individualism is subjectivism. To him, individualism is
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  Speaker 2: doing whatever the hell you feel like doing. And again,
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  Speaker 2: this is the when you detach individualism from reason, right,
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  Speaker 2: and individualism is and this is why it's so dangerous
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  Speaker 2: to define liberty as the ability to do whatever the
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  Speaker 2: hell you want, you know, And we don't define it
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  Speaker 2: that way. Right, It's defined very much in the context
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  Speaker 2: of pursuing rational values. That's what liberty is for. It's
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  Speaker 2: for the pursuit of rational values. It's for the person
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  Speaker 2: who uses reason. But to him, it's do whatever the
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  Speaker 2: hell you want individuals. Individualism is subjectivism. It's do whatever
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  Speaker 2: you want to You want to be a man today,
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  Speaker 2: you want to be a woman, tomorrow, you want to
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  Speaker 2: be a dog. You know, doesn't matter, anything goes. So
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  Speaker 2: to him, the Left is the epitome of individualism because
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  Speaker 2: they are completely subjectivists. So to him, individualism is in
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  Speaker 2: social sphere, the left and an economic sphere. They're kind
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  Speaker 2: of right, right, And he actually he talks about libertarians
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  Speaker 2: because libertarians kind of capture this. Libertarians have the subjectivist
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  Speaker 2: mentality and they justify the firstified both. So he had
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  Speaker 2: tacked libertarians in any and he's right in that sense
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  Speaker 2: that there's something wrong with you know, anything goes in
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  Speaker 2: terms of personal morality, at least even if we would
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  Speaker 2: say politically, sure, let them, let them take the drugs
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  Speaker 2: and destroy their lives. But you don't want to create
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  Speaker 2: a culture which everybody is destroying their lives.
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  Speaker 3: And now we're opening apparentheses. But this is also why
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  Speaker 3: our and our objectives, I mean, the liberty movement, the
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  Speaker 3: way we defend and we promote liberty is absolutely pathetic
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  Speaker 3: because it's so normally inspiring. No one is going to
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  Speaker 3: inspire by saying I want to have the right to
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  Speaker 3: destroy my life with cocaine or whatever. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 3: politically you do have that right, but it's not it's
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  Speaker 3: not a good vision anyway. Let's not move too much
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  Speaker 3: away from the nay. So let's give a concrete example.
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  Speaker 3: What he means individualism leads to states. So he would
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  Speaker 3: say by in the day when a young woman and
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  Speaker 3: a young boy would go to the university, they were
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  Speaker 3: bound by two institutions in terms of their sexual behavior.
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  Speaker 3: The one was a church that said you don't have
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  Speaker 3: sex before merriage. By the way, I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: many young people actually abided by that, but anyway. And
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  Speaker 3: the second was that the institution of the university had
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  Speaker 3: this local parentice that now that you're under my roof,
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  Speaker 3: I will have a say, I will have an authority
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  Speaker 3: on how you will engage in behavior. Without these two authorities,
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  Speaker 3: these days young men and young women get drunk, they
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  Speaker 3: have a promised you sex, then next day they regretted,
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  Speaker 3: and now the state has to intervene, and the state
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  Speaker 3: has to also give power to new institutions, for example,
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  Speaker 3: the ages, a department, me too, and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So this what looks like stats is the result of
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  Speaker 3: this and his individualism in the mind of Beniny.
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  Speaker 2: So it's the response to subjectivism. And there's a certain
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  Speaker 2: truth to that, right, there's a certain truth to if
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  Speaker 2: you build a culture on drug addicts and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: people just emoting, then some something's gonna break. So so
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  Speaker 2: much rests so much of his argument, and I think
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  Speaker 2: of the of the of the right argument rests on
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  Speaker 2: this idea that individualism equals you know, subjectivism and and
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  Speaker 2: and complete complete relativism. Do whatever the hell you want.
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  Speaker 2: So no standards, uh uh. The only standards can come
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  Speaker 2: from the church. Right, That's what's implicit here.
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  Speaker 3: And also a guide for people who will dive into Beneme.
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  Speaker 3: When he uses the term natural law natural rights, it's
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  Speaker 3: not the classical liberal natural rights. It is what it is,
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  Speaker 3: the supposedly objective morality that comes from the Church. So
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  Speaker 3: whenever he talks about natural law, he's actually talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Catholic teachings. So again, don't be confused, because even
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  Speaker 3: when I first have natural law, what does he know?
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  Speaker 3: The natural order for him is the order for the
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  Speaker 3: church not to cut into much slack though even you,
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  Speaker 3: who you are not a subjectivist, even the pursuit of
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  Speaker 3: your self interest for him would be bad. And actually
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  Speaker 3: he calls in his book while face he calls self
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  Speaker 3: interest a disease. Why disease? Because it upsets, it upsets
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  Speaker 3: the norms, it accepts the traditions, and it breaks this
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  Speaker 3: link that should be your contract with those who came
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  Speaker 3: before you and your contract with those who come after you.
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  Speaker 3: So the environmentalist things, we have a duty to future
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  Speaker 3: generations and the future or polar first the main things.
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  Speaker 3: We have an obligation to the future Americans residence of Indiana.
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  Speaker 3: It depends what level of connection music. But you have
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  Speaker 3: an answers and duty to those who came before and
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  Speaker 3: to those who came after, whether you like it or not, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, the interesting question is does this also apply,
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  Speaker 3: for example, to the mountains in Afghanistan. Does a religious
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  Speaker 3: fundamentalist or tribal Afghari does he have a duty to
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  Speaker 3: continue living like that or is this not part of
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  Speaker 3: the natural law? And how do we know? So, you see,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's very difficult to universalize his teachings because then
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  Speaker 3: the question why is this a good thing? Why is
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: he living by the decrease of your ancestors good?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Isn't that when he's trying to avoid really talking about
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: isn't natrue of all religion and fundamentally his home his
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: whole perspective as a religious one, that is, there is
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a truth natural law that was that is provided by
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the Catholic religion, not even Protestantism. It's provided by the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: church or capital and the Afghan is going to stay
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: in his barbaric state until he discovers, you know, Jesus
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Christ and is saved by him. So the church ultimately
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: has to I don't think he's I don't think. I
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: mean it's interesting to It would be interesting to ask
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: him is he defending all traditions or is he defending
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the tradition of the West, which he views as Catholicism
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: as Christian which I think is what he's actually doing.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Well. His interpreters, I think, would defend any traditions because
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: remember the divan who was saying in that debate, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: don't remember who was a drogan or the other the entrepreneur,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: and he would say, well, Iran is a you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: it's a great civilization, and therefore it's you know, there
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: are business understandings, the messages. They have their views, we
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: have our views, and sometimes this creates the understandings.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I think the question is that is that a position
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: on phone policy? Is that you know, if you asked him,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: is Western civilization better than Iranian civilization? I think he
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: would say yes, it's better. I think these people are
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: non multiculturalists in a sense of egalitarian civilizations. They think
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the West is better and if you dug as to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: why it would be because of the church, so Iran
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: will become better, Afghanistan will become better if it adopted
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the church.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, that makes that, That makes that makes sense because yes,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: empirically they are not multiculturalist. Okay. The fact though, that
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: we have this obligation to pass and future also means
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that this will have an effect on what we are
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: allowed allowed emphasis allowed to produce, what will be allowed
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to create. Therefore, he has a particular view of progress
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and a particular view of the innovator. The innovator, in
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the view of the name, is not just a disruptor.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: He's a power lass. He's someone who is dangerous. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: we have collected some quotes from his work if you
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: want to present them to people when he makes this
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: claim that we need to be protected from to use
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: an example familiar to our Howard Rock, a fictional example,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: the innovator, the guy who has this views that no
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: one else has. He's a danger, He's someone who needs
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to be put in his plate. But also we need
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: to be protected from our betters because the fact that
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: there are better means that they will push forward in
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: the pace that we will not be able to catch up.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: This would create disruptions.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So what's the and again, how does the paragraph start
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: with a quote from him on this you remember.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: You from him? You got it? Oh wait, yeah, I
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: have it, I have it, I have it here wait. Yes,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: it's the I said to you Ambisi as a threat
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: or you can you can put Yeah, it's the paragraph
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: that starts all going cultural practices.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. All right, I'm going to share
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: my screen. Guys, you can read along, but I'll read
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: it to you as well.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry. The reason why we have collected these quotes is
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: so that people don't think we mischaracterize him, because some
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: of the things he says are actually the words throw
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: our comment. So we want to the viewers to We
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: wanted to see it with your own knights.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So these are quotes out of the book. This particular
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: quote is out of his latest book, I think. Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: This is out of Regime Change, not his latest, but
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: is one before last. See it is ongoing. Cultural practices
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: exist not merely to prevent the liberty of self inventions,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in notice, prevent the liberty of self inventions create self creation,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you know, creating yourself, but to protect ordinary people he's
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: very concerned about ordinary people from the potential repraciousness of
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the ambitious. Viewed in such a light, these informal but
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: pervasive cultural forms not only prevent efforts of a revolutionary
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: character from reordering society around the imperative of individual liberty. Here,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: by the way, he's implicitly criticizing the Founding Fathers. This
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: is exactly the Founding Fathers that he's talking about. Right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: you think about a revolutionary character from reordering society around
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the imperative of individual liberty, that's the founding But they
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: protect the stability and order that most benefits ordinary people.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: It's all about ordinary people, people who are not well
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: served by instability, generational discontinuity, institutionalized disorder, in short, what
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: mild called pogress. So who does progress hurts? And it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: not hurt materially. I don't think he'd deny that they're
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: better off materially, but psychologically they are. And I think
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about this progress cause is in ordinary people.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Think about the looking down on ordinary people. Progress causes
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: an ordinary people alienation. It causes ordinary people to be
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: alienated from the world around them, And this is what
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: he wants to save them from. He wants to save
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: them from this sense of alienation, this existential angst, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: psychological powror that progress, but not just progress. Revolution, the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: American Revolution did that to Americans. Americans were quite comfortable living,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: ordinary Americans, not the intellectuals, not the founders, ordinary anchors
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: were quite comfortable living. You know, in under the British
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: everything was sad. There was a king, you knew exactly
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: your place. And suddenly these Founding fathers said, no, you
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: have individual rights. You can kind of live your own life.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: It shook them and according to according to Deneen, they
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they have never recovered from it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I thought for a second that had an
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: actual but then I realized it said, it's not that
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: the avocas. We had exactly the same discussion with the
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School scholars made these claims against
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the nations. Patrick de Nil rehabilitates the neo Marxist critique
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: of the Frankfurt School and serves it in a way
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: which is more digestible to conservatives.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if we think about the opponents to capitalism,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: we go back to the nineteenth century. And I'm going
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to go back to reading. This go back to the nineteenth century,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: the biggest in addition to Marx, the other big element
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that resented capitalism with the conservatives, who yes, you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: people were leaving their little villagers, they were leaving the communities.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Communities were being broken apart. They were leaving their churches
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and their families. They were traveling away, they were emigrating
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to America, they were going to the city. They were
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: working in factories, they were losing touch with the with
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the you know, with the land, working with their hands.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: And again we'll see the need venerates this idea of
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: working with your hands and physical labor above above all else.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So this is this a long tradition of conservatives, uh,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you know, agreeing with Marx on this point, even if
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you using different language. The difference is the need actually
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: uses Marx's language. He uses alienation. He talks about alienation.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: What is alienation means? It means that you don't understand,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you don't know where you are, you don't understand your
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: relationship with existence around you. Like you know from Marx,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: you're alienated from the product you're making because you only
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: make a little piece of it and you're not responsible
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: for it from beginning to end. Like a craftsman who
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: makes something from beginning to end is connected to it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: When you grow vegetables, you're responsible with the whole process.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Here you're only responsible for a little bit of it,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and that alienation of the product. Well, Benina saying the whole.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And by the way, this is exactly what the woman
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that I critiqued on Friday. It's exactly the same thing
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: she said about capitalism. And she's a leftist Marxist. She said,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the problem is that investments and progress progress. The ordinary
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: person has no stake in it. They didn't create the progress,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they didn't invest in the progress, they didn't decide to
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: invest that. This is what she wants democracy, So we
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: can vote on it and that'll give us, that'll give
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: us a connection to it. But we don't have any
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: connections to this progress, so we're alienated from it, and
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: therefore we don't belong in this world. And that creates
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: all the existential acts that leads in the Nien's world
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: to drug addiction, into sexual promisecurity, and to you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: all the evils that he sees exist out there. I'll
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: just finish this section. The customs et cetera, restraining the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: tyranne impulses. Notice tyrannical impulses of the powerful to be
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: free of the moderating and sustaining scriptures of custom, tradition,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and culture. Impulses are tyrannical. If expertise is you.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: See see again in this formula. If you try to
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: be free, you are a tyrant in the making, because
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: you're going to upset people's lives.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: He's the type of guy who reaped Atlas. And if
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: you ask him who are the villains in the book,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: you would say the number one villain is Hunky.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: And by the way, he read Alashuk So this is
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a tidbit we picked up online. He had he read
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Iran as a high school student. He read all the
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: novels and he, you know, supposedly he liked them. He
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: got he was enthusiastic. And because he read Ironrand, that
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: led him to go read Aristotle on Plato, who convinced
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: him supposedly that Ironman was wrong. And now he calls
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a Nietzschean, you know, and dismisses her completely. But like Vance,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: like so many people in our culture, so many people,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: including the real bad guys, he went through an Iman phase. So,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I mean it was a short phase. And he you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: there's no evidence that he studied her seriously, but you
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: know enough to have mentioned her in a biographical interview
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: he did in twenty twenty three. He says, of expertise
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: is especially prized in societies that seek and promote progress, change, transformation,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and growth. The role of common sense is especially valued
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: and necessary in society. That is, societies that are stable
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and in which continuity between generations is prevalent. I don't
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: even know what that means, right, So you know, in
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: what sense? Right, is the continuity between generations not travelent
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: in societies that are progressing? In what senses they're no
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: continuity among generations in American society since the founding. Yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of this is, to some extent
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: goobly good.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: What comes to my mind is one essay by Iron
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Rant or a line the Divine Right to Stagnation, that
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: because I cannot create what others have created, I cannot
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: write twelve rules for life and sell millions. Therefore, jo
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: computers should not be able to write twelve rules for
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: life or to put on the spiritual level. I cannot
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: create a philosophy that will revolutionize the world. Therefore, iron
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: rant is a power last event should not be left
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to ap said. We should go from generation to generation
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: saying all same old say, who are you who come
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: here to upset? And by the way, notice how an American?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: This is an America. And that's why he wrote his
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: latest book on the old say, where he tries to
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: say no, no, America is not just change. America is also
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: this yearning for home. If he brings any we can
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: discuss this later. But he knows, he has the understanding
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: that this is a hard pill to swolow for Americans,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: and he's trying to sugar this pill anyway he can.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what he's doing is exploiting a
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: moment in time in American history right now where there
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: really is existential angst out there. I mean there is alienation,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: right There's the kind of alienation I think Brandon talks
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: about in his in his essay and alienation, but I
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: mean alienation is is Patrick Denin's fault. It is the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: fault of the just intellectuals and right wing intellectuals. It's
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: not the fault to progress. But there is alienation out there.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of anks. You see that in the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: election of Donald Trump. So that's true that people are upset.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: There is there is way too many people on drugs.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: There are way too many people who are who are
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: unhappy with their lives. And what he's saying, what Dnina
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: is saying, is basically the same thing what the left
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is saying. They're saying, all of this is a consequence
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: of capitalism. All of this is a consequence of too
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: much freedom that was unleashed by them, by by the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: founding of America, by bye, by the focus on the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: individualism and individual rights, and what we need is to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: go back to communities. And the left has a different
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: vision of what communities look like and collectivism looks like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: but they completely agree on the diagnosis of what led
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to this. Too much freedom, too much individual freedom, and
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: too much and the manifestation of that is too much capitalism.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: It's capitalism that is at fault. That's capitalism that's created
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: all the problems and all the angst and all the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the the the the challenges that exist in the world
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: in which we live, and and it's you know, and JD.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Van says it right. He says, he says we are
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: going to if the more we push capitalism, the more
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: we're going to get socialism, right, because capitalism causes the angst.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: People's response to the angst. Right now is democratic socialism. Right,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: let's go with the with the socialist. But it's the
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: capitalism that is the fundamental issue and the fundamental problem.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: And of course you scratch on collectivism. Of of you've
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: got some people cannot progress if not everyone progresses with him. Also,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you fin altruisms, and he's explicit in his altruism that
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: the fact that some of us are different means that
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: those who are better off have a very specific obligation
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: to help and support those who are left who are
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: left behind. And actually, if you if you look, if
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: you look the second quote or the paragraph that starts
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: from post liberal integration, it's worth reading Lease again because
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: people we think we are we are strong money it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: He cannot, he cannot be the left wish against merit.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Read this certaence, Read this paragraph that starts from post
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: liberal integration. Would take.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward one. I don't have that. Oh there
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it is, so this is post level integration. We take
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: the following form. So this is a solution, right, This
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: is this is where he wants us to go. Inequality
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: based upon differences in talent, interest, and achievement is not
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: a marker of individual merit, but rather a sign about
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: deeper solidarity, a window into our mutual need and insufficiency.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So notice that the merit is in quotation on us.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, well there is no assisting as individual merit. The
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: source of this in a minute, inequality is a window
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: into our deeper equality. Wow, demanding not the flattening of
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: our differences, but recognition of our mutual obligations obligations. So yeah,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I mean this is I mean, really, it's really fascinating
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: that the language of pretty much everybody and left and
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: right today we need to show on this it basically
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: is all dictated by John Walls. John Walls is, at
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, the most foi in seal
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: thinker in terms of influence of the of the late
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: twentieth century. And and you've got libertarian Wallsians, you've got
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: leftist Wallsians, you've got right wing Wallsians. But they all
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and and this whole idea of well, there's no such
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: as individual merit. I mean, you were born with this talent,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you were born with certain genes, you were born to
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: certain parents. It's all luck. We should do that, we
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: should do showing Walls and bringing Eyeman's article about him. Uh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I can't remember what it's got. It's got
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: a funny title, but.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Now I blanked a blank as well. Funny story. You
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: mentioned that the libertarian Roles. Yet the first time in
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: my life I heard the ten Rolls was by someone who,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: in my mind back then was a libertarian. And he said,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: when I asked, okay, where do I I was still
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: a Marxist, where do I begin? He said that Roles,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: you should read the sho Marxist. I didn't like him,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: but this this vein of ignorance. My Communist mother gave
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: me this thought experiment and it's one of my first
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: stactual memories. So my first connection to Roles, without knowing
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: that the Rolls came from my Stalinist mother. The second
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: came from a guy who was a self styled libertarian,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: probably almost two decades later. Was he was he a
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: professor or yes, of course the professor.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: It was THOMASI who THOMASI?
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, He's a Greek and was working in
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the in the UK. So it was real life a
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: good guy for the standards of UK academia. Again, he
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: was closer to a libertarian, but scratched under the reserves.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: He was THOMASI, who was a well known libertarian, who
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: was a prince, who was a Brown Brown University. He's
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: not there anymore. Actually wrote a book and in the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: introduction to the book he basically says, look, I I
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I love libertarian ideas, I love the marketplace, I love
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the stuff. I really like John Walls. I'm dedicating this
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: book to my attempt to bring them, you know, to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to merge them. And you know, it's just it's it's
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the book is a disaster. It's a consequence because you
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: can't you can't do it. But but that's John Tomassi.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: He's a well known kind of libertarian political thinker. H
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: used to be a Brown anyway, Yes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: The second Thomassive who features Cinemamico's dialogues after Rollo, THOMASI,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: the red Peo. Anyway, before we get to what what
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the name wants for the future, let's finish his critical capitalism.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the introduction that he's a serious intellectual. However,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: he makes some arguments that make me question if He
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: always is a serious intellection, and maybe I'm surprised, but
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: he's a time on the effect that capitals are the
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: major because he brings arguments that I wouldn't expect that
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: anyone beyond my first year sociology students back in the day,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: for example, that with capitalists, capital has to lead to
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: perpetual growth and this will bring a depletion of resources.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: How and he says this not in nineteen ninety six,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: he says this in twenty eighteen. How can I take
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: you seriously?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, these are arguments that have been debuked already
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: from the debate between Paul Eli and who's the.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Good guy Sienctulian science. I know what demands well before that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But yes, they would demand publicly between the two, but look, nobody,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: nobody knows that, right. So these ideas are the are
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the prevalent ideas in the culture. Everybody, I mean almost
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: everybody holds them. When you say to somebody there's no
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: limit on resources, they look at you like you're from Mars. Okay,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: you know, what are you talking about? Where does this
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: even come from? So the Julian Simon view has clearly
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: lost out in the culture. Is not one in the culture,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: and it is not held by many people out there.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: And it's so he he, I think it fits again.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You have to. You can't understand the mean without understanding
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: he's a Catholic. He's a real Catholic. And you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: man was put on this earth to take care of
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: nature and to preserve nature. I read I read a
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: really interesting article by by Vermule. Vermule is another integrated
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: integralist Catholic. He is at Harvard University. He's a law professor,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and he he advocates what's called common good constitutionalism. He's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: very against the originalism. He's very against the original meaning. It's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: all about reinterpreting, constantly reinterpreting the Constitution for the common good,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and the common good, just like with Daneen, is under
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: stood as the common good as the Catholics understand it,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: you know, as a as a kind of a guided
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: by natural law and guided by by Catholic teaching. So anyway,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I from Mule had this article about environmentalism where he
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: explained that environmentalism is actually a conservative cause, that this
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: is exactly what God put man on earth to preserve nature,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to take care of nature. That's the whole point of
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the Garden of Eden. And you know, if we abuse it,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: we abuse, we abuse of responsibility. And I think the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Need very much has that perspective, and he has a
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I think he has at the end of the day
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: kind of a zero sum view of that world. Again,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I think that comes from from religion. He doesn't understand
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: how markets work. You can see that throughout a lot
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of his writing.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, So if this is his critique on liberalism, what
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: does you want? And the answer comes in his latest
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: not latest, but his last big influence and book.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: You before we leave this, do you want to say
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: something about his relationship with Marx, because I mean we've
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: got a quote here.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Oh oh my god. Yes, yes, So again there are
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: the people in the right who you listen to them
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: and they remind you of Marx. And there's someone like
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: the Lean who actually quotes Marx in a way that
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I want to defend my argument. So therefore, this is
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: what Mark said, can't go to the alienation to the alienation.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Quote, so just the one that saves citizens are more
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: likely to be called consumers.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Yes it's no, no, yes, but go to the next one.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Mark one side, Okay, marx One. Okay, so let me
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: share the screen.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: See guts give context the previous paragraph. He talks about
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: how inequality leads to anxiety, the same thing as JD.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Vance told us that if someone has more than you,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: then you are rightfully becoming bitter. So let's go to the.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Core, says marx. Ones argue that the greatest source of
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: economic discontent was not necessarily inequality, but alienation, the separation
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: of worker from product and the attended laws of any
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: connection with the goal and object of one's efforts. Let
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: me just say this, because this keeps coming up because
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Mars is so in right now, and everybody's talking about
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: this alienation stuff. I mean, think about think about what
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: a good manager does. Think about what world run companies
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: actually do. And a lot of what they do to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: motivate employees is to connect them with the goal and
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: object of the effort, to show them how what they
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: are doing results in this something bigger and and you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: to and to recognize that they're adding something, I mean,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: part of So there's something here, right If you're just
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: twisting a thing a knob and at the end there's
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: anobio and you don't you don't really have any relationship
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: with the automobile. Yeah, there's something alienating as the wrong word,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: but but there's something. But managers go out of their
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: way to try to show no, you're twisting anonymous crucial
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and we're paying you for it because you were part
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: of creating that thing and the end. And good companies,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I think are very good at doing that. And I
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: don't think most workers. I think workers when you take
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: an automobile worker on the line at Ford or GM,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: how many of them think they built the car. I mean,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I I remember, you know, I was I was a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: civil engineer and uh I worked on a worked on
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: some civil engineering product projects. And every time we drive
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: by a building that I had worked on, like I
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: was a junior, junior, junior, junior sub sub sub civil
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: engineer on a project. Every time I drive by the project,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I go, I built that, right, I built that and
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and and yeah, and and there's a there's a real pride,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and I think workers in capitalist companies take real pride
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: in the product of the company. I think Apple workers
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: feel that way. I think I think people feel that way. Now,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: part of that is good management. It's it's it's it's
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: it's doing a good job creating that instead of orienting
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the worker to feel that way. What Marx does and
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: what all these neo Marxists do, is they reinforced no, no, no,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: you didn't build that building. You shouldn't feel fright about readings.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: It's a capitalists to build the building. You know, they
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: were you have no connection to a building. Feel alienated, please,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: And then when they do feel alienated, then the needs
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: of the world say, see, I told you they were alienated.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: So you know, you know, I have a real life
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: example of that, my unkie, who is like a real
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: life mic from the Founding Head. They even look alike
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: and they use the same colorful language. He was throughout
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: his career basically a builder, and he built the Olympic
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Stadium and also the basketball court, and when he built it,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: they gave him something like a season ticket. And but
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: then I remember I was thinking, and every time he
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: would tell me this is how we build this, he's
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: something like also civilians to me, And I remember in
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: my marching space, I was like, oh, you know, you
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: are just a tool. And then I thought, how horrible
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: this guy had this pride and he should have this pride.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I've never met someone who you know, before the Olympic Games.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: There were days he would wake up at three o'clock
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: in the morning because these things had to be delivered
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: on time. And he had described and there came the
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Marxist park. You no, no, this is this is like
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: the capitalist breaks and she's exactly what we described. Happened
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: with me and my auntle.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and notice how much we're talking about Mars
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: when this is a show about somebody on the right. Uh.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: He continues. Today's economy not only maintains and extends this alienation,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: but adds a profound new form of geographic alienation, whoa
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the physical separation of beneficiaries of the global economy from
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: those left behind. So you might you might build something
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: in I don't know, you might be an out assembly
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: plant in China, and those cars are going to Europe,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: and all those Europeans are driving electric cars. She're doubly
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: alienated because you don't even see the product that you're
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: you know, because it's gone somewhere else. And then, of course,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: what about Americans who lost their jobs so that the
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Chinese can build the car in China, and the Americans
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: lost their job in America and doesn't have a job here,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: he's alienated from the whole society that made that possible.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's interesting how always the prefect example
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: of a car, because you could imagine knowing the car.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: If you're building a rocket for the space suit, you
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: then own it, like if you if you're building I
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: don't know, like colons tools are you only maybe if
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: they're use for someone else's colonoscopy. It's it's always the car,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: the girl of the car that they use. And by
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: the way, with copy the lists, yes, now most factored
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: workers can own the car, so that's not even a
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: good example anymore.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: And most factories owners own a piece of the company
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: itself through their four one K or through their pension plan.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: They almost all are shareholders, I mean all shareholders. It's
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean, he continues. This leaves the economic winners.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I mean notice also winners and lose is right, It's
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: it's zero sum, winners and losers. It's all zero sum language.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: The whole economy is ultimately zero sum. This leads the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: economic winners to combine lamentations of economic inequality were soto
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: voke denunciations of the backward views of those who condemned
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: globalization's course. The losers meanwhile, winners and losers. Right, the
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: losers meanwhile a console with the reminder that they're wealthy
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: beyond compare to even the wealthy aristocrats of an earlier age.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Material comforts are already solved for a discontents of the soul.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I mean he had he had a paragraph here where
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: he said, was that where it's better, it's better to
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: do something primitive.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, this is this is where we talk about. Oh, yes,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: the unity. Yes, it's the one that's all technological development. Yes,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I using these because it's the cricature of himself.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: And yet he wrote it, so we should definitely use it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: All technological developments A subject to the basic question, will
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: just a wone it help the fabric of our community?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: The fabric of the community. Go and define what fabric
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: of community means? And how do you measure whether something
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: helps the fabric of the community? Right to me. One
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: of the most powerful examples of this bacteria is the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: decision to sue insurance on the grounds that our form
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: of insurance is premise on maximum and anonymity and minimal
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: personal commitment. So don't buy fire insurance. Don't buy life insurance,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: don't buy car insurance because it's anonymous. Right for the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: price of the premium based on calculations of actuarial tables.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I enjoined a pool with others seeking insurance for a
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: variety of objects or conditions, such as automobile, life or health. Now,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: notice that insurance is one of the great human achievements.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful that you can anonymize it and protect yourself
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: in these kind of ways. He views it as horrible
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: because why because if we didn't have insurance, I would
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: then come to Nicos and say, Nicos, I crashed my car.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: I don't have any money to fix it, Please help me,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And Nicos would then be obligated to help me. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: that obligation is what's beautiful. That's the fab bureac of
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: our community. It's the obligation we had towards one another.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: This is the deep seated altruism. You know, we have
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: to take care of one another. Insurance that's anonymous. We
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: want to make altruism personal. It has to be. You
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: have to feel it, you have to you know, you
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: have to suffer. He writes, certain Amish communities band members
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: from purchasing insurance. Rather, the community itself is the insurance pool. Now,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: notice the implication here location is the government should do
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: it all right, What does it mean the community itself
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: is the insurance pool. Ultimately, who is the ultimate insure
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: of all the communities. That's the government. So we should
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: have government run health care, government, housing, govern run life government.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: All of this, members seek the foster community. Where does
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: everyone shared responsibility and obligation to make someone who suffers
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: a lost hole? Again, such liberation from all obstacles is
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: finally illusionary for two simple reasons. Oh it's I've gone
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: over all right. For two different reasons, human appetite is
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: insatiable and the world is limited. So here I agree
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: with the first and don't agree with the second. Human
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: appetite is indeed insatiable. Good for him for recognizes that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: But the idea that the world is limited is ignorance.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: As Nicos mentioned earlier, it's just ignorant, given Julian Simon.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: And it's stupid, you know, it's it's it's unthinking, So
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: you right. For both of these reasons, we cannot be
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: truly free in the modern sense. We can never attain satiation,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and we be eternally driven by desires rather than satisfied
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: by the attainment. And this is I mean, this is
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: a criticism we get all the time. Right, You climb
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the mountain and you get to the top, and instead
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: of being satisfied, you're looking for the next mountain to climb.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And there's a series of folks here. One is, you
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be satisfied when you climb the mountain. At the top,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: you should be satisfied and you are happy, But that
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: is just a launch pad for climbing the next mountain. Absolutely,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: because life is a process of constant achievement of values.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: As soon as you are satisfied, really satisfied, you're done. Well,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: you're dead right, you know you done when you did?
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: What?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: What is There's a line from Cure in We the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Living something like I'm paraphrasing, life is wanting. Life is
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: wanting in other words, life is valuing. So valuing is
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: an act to gain or keep. It's an act. So
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: you're constantly acting. Yes, we're constantly acting, and we constantly
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: want more, and we're never satiated. That's fine. That doesn't
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: mean we're not happy, we're not satisfied. It's it's it's
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: it's a you know again, this divine right of stagnation.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: It's the idea that somehow you're happy if you stagnate,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: if you're just satisfy, just Nikos, be satisfied with what
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: you've got. Your ambition is what's making you unhappy.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: That's what he's Also the environment.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, in an our pursuit of satisfaction of our limitless desires,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: we will quickly exhaust the planet. That's environmental nonsense. But
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: it's the psychological issue that if more interesting. So let's
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: see what I mean. Let me do one more right.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: He's too good not to quote. He says utility and
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: ease must be rejected. This is the quote I wanted, right,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Utility and ease must be rejected in preference to practices
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: of local knowledge and virtuosity, the ability to do and
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: make things for oneself, to provision one's own household through
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: the work of one's own and one's children. Hands. Hands
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: should be prized about consumption and waste, the skills of building, fixing, cooking, planting,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: preserving and composting, composting. Yes, so this is twelve twenty.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: This is the return to the Middle Ages. You notice
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: there's no reason here, there's no thought, there's no innovation,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: just happens, which is typical Marxist and leftist innovations, just happens.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: There's no thinking, there's working. It's purely materialist. And you know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: this is the conservatism of Michael Knowles, who I've talked
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: about on my show. This is a conservatism of middle
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: of wanting and desiring, the Middle Ages, of going backwards
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to a simpler time when we made everything with our
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: hands and and uh, you know, half of our children
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: died before the age of ten. But okay, you know
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: the trade offs in life. But at least we made
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: this stuff, and the children before they died made stuff,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: so it's okay. It's so bad.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The first time I ever came across the term
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: composting was when I was doing my research for my
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: pH d and I had the very disgusting experiences actually
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: visiting radical green caps and radical green sides and they
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: had this compositive, disgustive stuff. And here again, this is
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: an episode about the thought leader of your next president. People,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: This is this is of your next treasure. Well come
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: from the Republican part. Again a constant reminder, this is
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: not we're not discussing the frank for school, We're not
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: discussing any green philosophy. Now, what does he want to achieve?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: What is the new recip. He wants to bring a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: new recip, not a new gatherning. So the goal of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: the post liberal writ is to return conservatism to its
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: true roots. And he claims the true roots of conservatives
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: is opposition to liberalism, because he claims the alliance between
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: conservatives and liberals just men that progress and chance and change,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: and therefore non conservation would just be slower. So with communists,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: which you have fast progress, with liberals you have slow progress.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: But in both cases conservatives loose, and therefore conservatives should
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: the break up with liberts. This is also the claim,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: by the way of National Conservatives of the guy you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: debated with my in the not Michael Balle, the guy
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: with a suit lextreman.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: At the University of Texas. So both on video.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but the Freeman is more hours. It's it's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: my favorite guy. How do we bring that change? We
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: bring this change through aristo populism. Now, aristo populist comes
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: from Greek aristos, which is the best popularly the many.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: So the many need the vanguard of those who truly
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: can't see the world, and they have escaped somehow, this
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: elimenation and then this many will operate in the best
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: interest of the men of the sorry. The few will
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: operate in the best interest of the many, and while
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: doing this they will drag upwards the many with them.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Does it remind you anything anyone? Any other ideology does
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: remind me? For example, Leninist vanguardism. Does it remind you Gramsy?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: Because this is exactly the argument. There are the few
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: who know better, and they will drag the many from
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: their days. And this is how we'll get from where
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: we are to where we'll be.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: And where we will be is not materially better, because
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: material will doesn't matter. But if spiritually better, we'll just
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: be happier, will have better communities. The children will be
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: playing outside, it'll be safe, there will be no crime.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: It's some kind of utopia that's none the spiritual utopia.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: We'll see also the concrete proposals that he has, which
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: is the scariest of all that they do've discussed. But
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: before we get there, let me play David's adoca. Actually
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: that's an actual question. I'm not even playing David alvocate.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: How is this form of vanguardism different from the vanguardistm
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Let's say of Francisco and he tries to literally raise
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: the class consciousness of the producers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I means give them, give.
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  Speaker 3: Them the words that they lead for the time that
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  Speaker 3: they lead.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's a certain truth to van goddism in a
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  Speaker 2: sense that revolutions happened by minorities, not majorities, and including
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  Speaker 2: revolutions that are positive, including the Faunding Fathers. You could
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  Speaker 2: argue the funding fathers or the vaneguards of the of
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  Speaker 2: the Enlightenment, right, and and they took the Enlightenment ideas
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  Speaker 2: and they went and put them into practice, into political practice,
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  Speaker 2: and they bought a revolution. So I don't think the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: concept of the vanguard in and of itself is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: That is, we know the truth. Most of people in
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  Speaker 2: the world don't, and our job is to educate them
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  Speaker 2: and to help them see see what it is that the.
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  Speaker 3: HM.
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  Speaker 2: The question really is, you know, is isn't a vanguard
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  Speaker 2: that views the people out there as some kind of
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  Speaker 2: collective mass that need to be led towards it? Or
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: do you view the people out there as individuals who
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  Speaker 2: must be educated and must be you know, and and
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  Speaker 2: and if you think about what Francisco is doing, he's educating,
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  Speaker 2: he's teaching, uh, and he's teaching individuals. He's not even
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's not even talking to large groups. So
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  Speaker 2: the whole idea is to so the idea that it
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  Speaker 2: takes a dedicated minority to change the world. If that's
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  Speaker 2: what vanguardism is, then that's true.
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  Speaker 3: M hmm, yeah, that's that's cover. Thank you. Okay, now
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  Speaker 3: let's see some and with this we got feelish I
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  Speaker 3: think some specifics on what this postibly better society would
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  Speaker 3: look like. So for example, he's in favor of bringing
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  Speaker 3: back the draft, not because the military needs it. Actually
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  Speaker 3: it says maybe if the military needs it, I'm happy
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  Speaker 3: for the draft. Even though if the military does not
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  Speaker 3: need the draft, we still need the draft because this
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  Speaker 3: will be a way to strip us from this evil individually.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: And again, as with them health insurance, think the goal
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  Speaker 3: is to tie everyone with each other. He's the anti
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  Speaker 3: run time Run had this line hope and we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: but it. Civilization is a progress towards the society of
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  Speaker 3: how does it put it off of privacy of privacy, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: of freeing man from man. Yes, the main ones to
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  Speaker 3: do the opposite. Wants to go back to when we
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: are tied again with each other. So again so that
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  Speaker 3: people don't think we stay attacking. Do you want to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: read it? Starts with a large civilian Actually read that
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  Speaker 3: these four paragrass is post liberal programs. So you can
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  Speaker 3: read all. I mean, that's the last quote we have.
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  Speaker 2: Don't I don't see it all right? Starts with civilian army.
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  Speaker 3: It should be there.
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  Speaker 2: Less a civilian army or sorry, a large not okay,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear the large, A large civilian army. To
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: address the extensive need for repairs of our infrastructure and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: an evergrad need for repairs of our civic culture, especially
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: through the mingling of people, for a variety of walks
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: of life, a service requirement should be compulsory for all Americans.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Now note that this was this is actually a proposal
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: under the Clinton administration, and it was actually was it
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: a service day. And I remember one of the first
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: things they I know and Institute did in the nineteen
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: nineties was do a whole campaign against service, right against
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  Speaker 2: this idea of service. But yeah, this is this is collectivism.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: This is and this is again unites the left and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the right completely. There's no difference here. The left will
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: completely buy into this. So you can either go the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: idea would be to have a draft. You can either
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: go into the military, or you can do this compulsory
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: service and you can go and help build the infrastructure.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: And and part of it is you get to mingle
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: with other people. So you get to know other people,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: and and and and so it binds you together. It
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: forces you to be together, and and you you firm
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: your obligation or one another. But this is pure collectivism
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: and altruism. This is all about the sacrifice of the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: individual to the collective in the name of what. In
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  Speaker 2: the name of doing your alienation, I don't know, in
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  Speaker 2: the name of it in any.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's clear. It's clear the aim of getting rid
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  Speaker 3: of individualism, which is the number one poison of liberalism.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: If we want to be post liberal, we have to
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: be post individualists. Those for those of you who think
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: that the Need and j Evans has any redealing feature,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: again clearly and openly they tell you we want to
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: get rid of the poison of individualism. The Need calls
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: it specifically a disease let's see his next suggestions. Something
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  Speaker 3: great education.
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  Speaker 2: Greater influence on oversight by elected of political leaders over
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: public educational institutions to ensure their commitment to the common
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: good is essential, if necessary, including opposing faculty and administrative
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: assistance resistance. Note here then I really think that the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: new right is going to be very opposed to school choice.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: So the whole idea of privatizing education, the JD. Vans
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: New Right is going to want to bring education from
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: kindergarten on back under government control. And what they want
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: to do is they want to centralize that control. What
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: they'll say is, we don't trust the states because the
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: states could come under liberal influence. So we need conservative
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: principles to be rammed down their throats from the top down.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: So you know, the oversight by elected political leaders of
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: public educational institutions, and that means all education from college
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: all the way down the kindergarten, and that now has
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: to be run by the state.
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  Speaker 3: The next point is that least surprising economic.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Similar efforts should be undertaken to break up or limit
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: the power monopolistic economic organizations, reviving the long standing populist
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: long standing populist suspicion towards and fear of disfiguring effects
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: of concentrated economic power. You know this, everybody believes this.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: This is this is right down the mainstream these days.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: And then finally, pornography should be extensively controlled and even
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: banned when necessary. Further forms of legislation that promote public
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: morality and forbid its intentional corruption should be considered. Public
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: morality often involves sex, right, what is morality for the
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: for Christians involved, it often involves sex. So I could
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: imagine a government of the needs, you know, banning adultery
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: or criminalizing adultery, and banning divorce or making divorce very
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: very difficult. One of the things that they reel about
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: is no fault divorce, the idea that you can just
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: walk away. They reel about that, and then finally writes.
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  Speaker 3: So before we go to the final remember what dayle
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Vans told us two weeks in the book that we
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: analyzed two weeks ago. There is no area of life
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: that that hasn't got to say. And it's the last point.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Combine religious and working class calls for days of rest
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: holidays a word meaning holy days that allows families to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: gather free of the distractions and demands of commerce. Oh heaven,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: I can't we all wait for families to gather around
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  Speaker 2: the table and have I mean, it's the highlight of
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: my year. I'm sure it's the highlight of your Here,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, give me a frigging break. But this is exactly,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: this is exactly the perspective that he is pushing. This
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: is again, this communitarian conservatism, this return to family and land,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: small communities where you know everybody, mutual responsibility, mutual obligations
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: and sacrifice. And when it comes, when it comes to state,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: then you just you just you know, you're dress aft
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: into your obligations and you just have to you do
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: what you're told.
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  Speaker 3: So remember again two weeks ago, Jadvan said that why
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: should people get up from the Halloween table and go
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: to the mall to work or go to the mall
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: to consume? Both of these things are alienating. Therefore he's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: toying with the idea of imposing some loss on Sunday trade. Again,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: this is today's the theory, and what we'll see in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: an advanced administration will be the attempt to put this
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: theory into practice. Today we warn you what this theory
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: is act accordingly or however your consciousness tells you.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: People, so maybe to end maybe position because you promised
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: you would do this position him the nan with regard
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: to National Conservatives Christian Conservatives, okay, and we gotta and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: that way we can also get get get to you
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: to use the white board, which everybody the only.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Way we can do this is with the whiteboard. Because
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: these are very diagrams. So the biggest one, one of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: the biggest one, this is what we call today, let's
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: call it post liberal. So here we have here we
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: have the need. The number one characteristic is that they
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: are common good Catholics. So I'll just put Catholics because
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: this is because this is the important thing. Also, you
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: said that he wants a strong government. This brings us
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: to the other very big group with which there is
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of intersection, the National Conservatives. National Conservatives, you've
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: known them. They have relations with also the National Conservatives
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: in Europe. So here you have the nut coms. Here
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: you have the figure of Yoram has only now what
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: is their difference. Most of National Conservatives they base their
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: reviews of Judeo Christian values judy of Christian This makes
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: me predict that sue these people are going to kick
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: these people out because the judy a part here is
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: not gonna stand well soon enough in the American right,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: particularly in the worst deplorable parts of the American uright.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: So this is just this is just a prediction. Now
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: you can say, why are these circles not the same circle?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: Because national Conservatives places a lot of emphasis on the nation,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: but post liberals believe that the nation is too thin
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: to reject liberalisms. People like the name would say that
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: liberalism when nationalists went hand in hand, and therefore nationalism
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: is not big enough, strong enough to oppose liberals. So
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: the two differences. Post Liberals are mostly Catholics and national
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Conservatives are mostly Protestants. And the lids album of Jewish
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: for it now.
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  Speaker 2: And and and they're open to you know, they're open
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: to non religious people as long as they accept importance
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: of religion in defining the nation. So that I think
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: they're much more open. They also have the elements within
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: national conservatism that gives some lip service to capitalism. So
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: like Yo, Hazzoni doesn't reject capitalism, I mean he does,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: but he won't admit it. Right, So he claims to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: be again your Hazoni has read Iran extensively and and claims, yeah,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: I agree with Irand and a lot of things, you know,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: and I agree on capitalism. He doesn't. He doesn't understand it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: But but you know, he again, they still have room
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: for a little bit of the a little bit of
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: the the the capitalists, the integrao the the integralists don't.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: And keep in mind these two groups agree almost entirely
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: on what is wrong with liberalists. All the disagrees where
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: we go out. Now, there's another entry in this which
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: mostly coincides with post liberals and very little with the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: national gargal. They are the Integralists Integralists. The term comes
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: from integration integrate, charts and state. What is the difference though,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: between the integralists and the post liberals. The integralists believe
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: that the CHATS is above the state, the sat is
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: actually above every stage. So the integralists are also Catholic.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Catholic and for them church is bigger than state. Okay,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: so you can imagine they don't have much in common
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: with national conservatives, who their level of analysis is the nation.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: For them. There they are serious Catholics, thinking that if
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Catholic is a universal message. Why do we need different countries.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: We should have the way the Catholic Church is universal,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: whether you go to a church in Philippines or in Poland,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: it's the same thing. This should be also the ideal society,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: a universal Catholicism. And the other group which has some
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: in common with the national conservatives I've run out of colors,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: is the Christian nationalists Christian nationalists. So Christian nationalists. Now,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: the Christian nationalists they think, they stays it should be
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: more important, so they are more of the political power
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: because they say, we don't care so much if you are,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: so you can have Christian nationals for orthodox Christian nationalists
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: who are Protestants or even Catholic, it doesn't really matter.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: But what it matter is we need to have a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: state which is against liberalists. Whereas the guy who saw
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: today the insists the state. It can also be on
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: a state level, let's say Texas, Kentucky, whatever, so it
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be a national government. He wants they
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: need wants this post liberal order to be in every level,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: in every institution of the country. So all these groups
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: post liberals, national conservatives, integralists, Christian nationalists, they agree on
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: what on They hate liberalists, they all hate individualists, they
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: are all opposed to lev capitalists. They are just disagreement
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: on what should be the center of resistance to do
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: liberals and what would they new resime look like? Would
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: the focus be the set the state, which the national state,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: universal state. So this is the the four different intersecting
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: circles of the you of the new Right. And of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: course you could put a bigger circle which is MAGA
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: and would include almost all of them.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and these are the more intellect These are
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: the four intellectual movements within the New Right. The lots
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: of anti intellectual you know, the attacker cautions, the Nick
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Foentes were anti intellectual, you know. But but but these
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: are the intellectual movements of the new way. They said,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: they said the standard, they said the foundation, and they
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: said the context, and and they're incredibly influential.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: I think, for example, Nick Fuentes, you could see him
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: more and more going more towards the Catholic integralist side,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: although I'm not entirely you could also say he has
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: posts not an intellectual. But again with most of the Catholics,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you could almost automatically put them either here or here
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: either on the inteken rest or the post. The Catholics
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: have this, we have we have a very unique and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: particular recipe. The Protestants and the Jews and the Orthodox
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: they are a bit more.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Make it up as they go along. Yeah, I mean
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the Catholics rely on two thousand years of Catholic writings
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: and scholarship and and and they'll tell you that, you know,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: we've had scholars We've we've thought about all these issues.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: We've there's not an issue that we don't have twenty
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: five thousand books about and and things to say about
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: and pope's and cyclical abouts and you know. So they
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: have a vast tradition that they are trying to uphold
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: and and utilize for oppressing the individual, whereas the others,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, Protestantism is a whole into a much more emotional,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: less dogmatic less you know, there's less less official dogma
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: this associate with it.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: Before we get to the questions, let me guild treat
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: the audience a bit. So the three books by Hazon,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: if you put them together, I got the founder head here,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: they're bigger than the founder head in the week. Oh,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: we can also do but you know, there's not much
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: point doing in has Oni in the future because he
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: has exactly the same arguments with the name on why
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: liberals is bad. There's always some difference on what he
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: what he suggests for.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, his book on nationalism is wrong in interesting ways.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, then we can we can we can't do it.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: So this week we had to read three books of
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: the need the size of the found. It was also
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: the week where the Greek football league, the Premier League
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: began there chubjectly qualifiers. So this was a big sacrifice
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: with a conventional term of the world. Keep into account
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: that YouTube demonetize me for the mouth versus Pets video,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: which means today is a good opportunity to be generous
• 1:23:17
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  Speaker 3: my patreo, that would be also good.
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  Speaker 2: That would be great. By the way, how do you
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: know that they did they send you an email? Did
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: they let you know why they demonetize you?
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: No? I know. I know that when I published that
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: video I had I was monetized. One day later I
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  Speaker 3: was not monetized. They told me I can reapply in
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  Speaker 3: twenty one days. So now it's probably sixteen days fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Days, and they they didn't say why they didn't say
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  Speaker 2: you via their community standards or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't get an email like that. And my
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: next video, although I did everything right to optimize, has
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  Speaker 3: view the lowest viewership of any video I ever done.
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  Speaker 3: So it's I'm not saying it's because of YouTube, but
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: my YouTube per week was very sad.
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  Speaker 2: No, but it's it's it's it's it's interesting how, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how they function and what they do. That's terrible. West
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  Speaker 2: just gave you one hundred dollars for the sacrifice.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it, Aphia.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: But seriously, we did good work. You see, we have
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: quotes from all the books. We also read the third book,
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  Speaker 3: the ad Say Book. It's just that there's nothing there
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  Speaker 3: to really to dig in. The only just to say
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: twenty seconds for the third book. His message is like
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: all they say, don't be too attractive to ideas of immortality,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: and don't be too attractive to ideas that you are
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: over a issues and you you know, always there is
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: a home to return to. And what makes us human
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: is our mortality.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: It's almost as mortality. Our mortality, is what makes us human.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, the fact that we die at some point.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: So the dogs dogs also die at some point. I
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: don't understand these people.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: But he Yeah, he talks all the time about how
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: can lipso offered to as you can live forever and
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: not disuse it. No, I don't want to do.
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  Speaker 2: There's a sense in which that's right, that our mortality,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is Rand's matter ethics, right, Our mortality
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: sets the context for all values. That is the fact
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: that we can go out of existence is what makes
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: choosing values necessary, and makes choosing them well necessary because
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: if you want to sustain life. But that's not the
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: sense in which he means right, that's not the sense
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: of which he means it.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: The sense in which he means it is know your place,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: know your place, stayed there.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it is. I mean, it turns out
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: he grew up in a small town. He spent his
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: whole life in the same town. It was very much
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: a place that everybody had front porches, where you sat
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: on the porch and you talked to your neighbors and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: you hung out, and the kids all played out in
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: the in the front yard. And you know, he he
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: idealizes this utopian video, you know, vision of of small
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: town America. I remember I debated once, Oh god, what's
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: his name. He's a famous also right wing intellectual. No, god,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: he's he's gay. Ah, I'm subscribed as music. Anyway, debated
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: him at Clemson, and at some point he said, look,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, I just want the ability I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: always want to write, to sit on my back porch,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: on my walking chair, and not have all this progress
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: and change happened, right, And he called it. Is it
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: called the called rocking chair or back porch conservatism something
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: The name has literally written a book that has front
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: ports of the title. I don't remember the exactly.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I'm telling you it's it has become this,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: this idea for all of them, and it's so much
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: iron Rand's divine writer stagnation. It is exactly that they
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: are demanding that all of us stop so they can
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: satisfy their desire to stagnate, to not do a go anyway.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I I think I've said on
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: the show my children are fourth generation born on a
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: different continent. So by his standards, I don't know what
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: going home means right. So my kids were born in America.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I was born in Asia. My parents were born in
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: South Africa Africa, and their parents were born in Lithuania
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: in Europe. So is going home Lithuania is going home?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Israel is going home. Austin, Texas, where my kids were born,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: is going home Puerto Rico. What does it even mean
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: to go home? And I guess I'm not ordinary folk?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: And what the Nians seems to care about? And what
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: all these people claim to care about? What marks care about?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: What all of them seemed to care about as ordinary folk?
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: You know the you know he called it apolitarian, he
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: calls it ordinary. I don't know. And what I want
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: for ordinary folk. I want for ordinary folk is the
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: ability And more and more ordinary folk are doing this
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: to get on a big jet and travel anywhere in
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: the world and see the world, and experience the world,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: and choose where to live, and one day get on
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: a rocket ship and go to Mars and colonize Mars.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: I want ordinary folk to be able to do that.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: I want ordinary folk to have the same ambition as
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: any of us and enjoy the same amazing world that
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: we all live in. That those of us who do travel,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: enjoy the idea of forcing people to be provincial and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: to be small and to be narrow and to be
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: limited is so frigging disgusting. It is it is you know,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's to look down on people and really put
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: them in the place. Get in your place. You know,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: the need will travel to conferences all over the world.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: But you you shouldn't leave America. You shouldn't leave your
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: front porch.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: It's an interesting question, and is what should they devans
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: have done. He was born in the most dysfunctional community.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Should he have stayed in there with that community forever? Obviously?
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Obviously he should have stayed then made it better, which
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: is which is how he has evolved. He's evolved into
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: wanting to do that. It's it's the idea. Now I'm
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: taking a position where I'm going to make it better
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: for ordinary people. But making it better for ordinary people
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: is not liberating them to be ambitious and to be
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: capable and to be and to and to and to grow.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: It's restricting. Making it better for ordinary people is restricting it.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: It's reducing growth, it's reducing technology, it's reducing ambition, it's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: shrinking the world.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: And it's yeah, before we get to the questions. Last
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: thing about March and the normal folks. I don't know.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe the name is a great guy in this personal life,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: March had so much actual disday with the normal, the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: very few normal folks sky he met. My favorite March
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: story is when he, he and Angels are drunk they
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: enter a normal pub. They're working class people there, and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: with their snob elitist they offend the proletarians, and the
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: proletariants literally beat them out of the of the pub.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: So that was the friend of the workers.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: Ye. Yes, Marks was a particular specimen. I mean, he
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: was a he was a really bad guy personally and intellectually.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, But I mean it's hard to tell
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: what he's like as a person. He's he's in America
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: as an American, you know, to some extent that's a positive.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: And he's he's you know, he's a professor, interact with students.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: My guesses, he's kind of a nice.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: Guy and one redealing quality. He has this dark academia vibes,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the tweet jackets. Yes, we still need these things.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: I fully approve of that.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: We're back to where Nikos and I disagree this is good,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: So one announcement. Next week we have the Mike ment.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a show next week, so I'm glad you
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: reminded me. I will be in Israel next week, so
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: I won't be able to do a show next week.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, two week after that, week after we do Mike mente,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: which means I mean I could talk for hours about that,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: but all that it's going to be a shorter introduction.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: Let's say, therefore, if you are on the fence on
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: whether you want to order a film review or something,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: we already have Troy, we have that Tvcities episodes. I
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• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: on the fence and you want to order a film review,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: now is a good time for the next episod?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Next week? Is a film review time, or music or
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: song review time or whatever you want to review next week?
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: And because we'll have time, so we'll do Mike Men's up.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, he's the bodybuilder,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: I think he won the world championship at some point
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: or Compede.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: One of the main entry points around the eighties and
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: nineties before he got on basically two objectivisms.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, him made maybe he was second only to Rush,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: and that's the question. I think. No, I think more
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: people came from Rush, at least my experiences. More people
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: came from Rush. But certainly he was a big entry
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: point for a lot of young guys into inter objectivism.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let me close some windows here and
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: get the super check going. I didn't want to do that,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: just want to this, Okay, All right, guys, Just to
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: remind you, our target is is is a big number
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  Speaker 2: on these shows because they have to feed two miles
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• 1:34:05
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• 1:34:08
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• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: on the goal, so there's still quite a bit of
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: room at the top there to make a contribution and
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: to support the show. But thanks to all the super
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: chat as have already done. So let me see we've
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• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: thank Wes for the one hundred dollars. Thank you, Wes
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• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: Frederick, thank you, and the dumb Enerick thank you?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: And who else do we have.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: All right, Shrewdy, of course, thank you. She's always there
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: every week. And Jeff, I think we've caught all of you.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: Exit and Alan and Gaale, thank you, and those of
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: you who I missed.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: I apologize, but thank you. All right, let's let's go
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: to some fifty dollars questions and then we'll do the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: twenties and then we'll walk our way down not you
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: have a j algorithm? Does an idiot in motion go
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: further than a genius at rest?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: See?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Does an idiot in motion go further than a genius
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: at rest? Even if you're not too bright, if you
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: put yourself out there and keep moving forward, working towards goals,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: you'll go further in life than a genius who thinks
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: he's too good to try. I mean maybe, I mean
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: it really depends on what you mean by rest, What
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: do you mean by emotion? You know, a genius might
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: not move, but he's thinking all the time, and maybe
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: he's writing, and maybe those writings will will cause a revolution,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: So it really I mean it's I don't like these
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: aphorisms because I don't think they mean much. And if
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: you once you start really thinking about what are the
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: terms actually mean? I mean. What are you trying to say.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: You're trying to say that somebody who does nothing, even
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: if they're a genius, is worthless versus somebody who might
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: not be smart but has done something. Sure, but what
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: is doing mean? What does moving mean? I worry that
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: it's taken to materialistically.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: Well, the basically the obvious example here is in sports.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: I've seen so many talents that did not work disappear,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: and people who are not talented work very hard and
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: the gold places. No one would expect them to go
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: late bloomers. But this doesn't fit the idiot genius. This
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: just fits you do the work. Odds are things are
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: gonna be better?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, chars Wad says, I'm waiving the two
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: songs and one TV show Freebee reviews I'm old for
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: the movie please review only Yesterday from nineteen ninety one.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: It's a Japanese film from Studio Gibbie g h Ibi.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: You writing instanikos.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Only Yesterday, nineteen ninety one. Well, there's if it's in
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: Apple Movies, I can review it. If not, I live
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: in a third world country. I haven't got many options.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Highly recommend you watch in the original Japanese and you
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: must watch the end credits. Okay, So Nichols will look
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: for it. Hopefully it's available on Apple Movies or something
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: like that, and uh and we'll we'll, we'll do it
• 1:38:08
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's not it's not there. I'll see if it's
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: on YouTube movies or then if it's on Disney Plus.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be in in Netflix. But
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: these are my choices, my friend, So if.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Do you know where it's streaming? Do you know where
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: it is? So maybe shas but knows.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: We'll see now it's nowhere, so as it starts now
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  Speaker 3: I cannot review it to my friend. Other options?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: All right, let's see shows. But did give us other
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: did shows? But he says, I understand that Nikos can't
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: find Rick and Morty on streaming. Here's a substitute review
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Black Adda three, Episode two, Ink and Incapability.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: Black add three.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: So season three, episode two.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's again, there's no guarantee I'm gonna find.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: It, Black Ada. Where did I find Black Ada? Do
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  Speaker 2: you have f you don't have? Fine? Okay, so I'll
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: I know I can get to Black Ada, but hopefully
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: it might be on Apple TV. You might be able
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: to rent it on Apple TV.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Nope, no again, I don't live in America, guys, I
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  Speaker 3: live in the third world.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if there's a way Black Ada. Uh streaming?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: Okay? No? Also, okay, other choice.
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  Speaker 2: It's just TV. You can purchase it on Apple TV.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: You can purchase it on Apple TV. Your Apple divs
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: is not the same as my Apple.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: TV, so maybe I can give you my U. You
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  Speaker 2: can use a VPN and my uh what do you
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  Speaker 2: call it? My my, my, my log in and watch it.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: I'll find a way.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Don't figure it out. We'll figure it out. They should
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: be if it's an Apple TV, we'll figure it out.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: Prime.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: And it's also on something called brit Box, which is
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: a streaming platform that does British stuff.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: I'll find it some out, all right.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: I think I have all the DVDs at home, but
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: a Black Adda. It's one of my favorites, all right,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: what else? Uh? I think that's it for shows bot.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: We'll see if he comes back with an alternative movie,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: all right, Thomas, I have no doubt that AI will
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: do many amazing life benefiting things. But isn't it also
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: a very dangerous thing to bring to such a poorly educated, thinking,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: defensive society. I don't mean we should ban, but I
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: worry about it.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: For sure. If you could imagine someone developing an LM
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: motel which could help you, for example, to create bio
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: weapons or things like that, then of course it is dangerous.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: But you could say the same applied to Google, and
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: we manage to find ways around it. Of course you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: have the Dark Web and all that stuff. So yeah,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: every technology brings with it significant dangerous and usually we
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: figure it out.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: And I think it's it's dangerous to talk about fully
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: educated thinking, you know, the fact of society. You know,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: it kind of puts you in kind of an elitist
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: position of deciding which technology is appropriate for this society
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: and which technology is another pubit for this society. And
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I think we just need to play it out. I mean, yes,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: they're dangers, and let's play them out. There was dangers
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: in Oppenheimer developing the nuclear bomb. There's danger in every
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: single technology we have. The Internet was dangerous, the microprocessor
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: was dangerous, and you know, we need a fight for progress.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: And at the same time fight to change the world.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Liam strategies for dealing with jealous haters once you have
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: achieved success.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Who cares about them? First?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ignore them? Why do you care about.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Actually I'll tell you something I've heard once and I
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: still I will always remember. Someone said, imagine you're project
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: in the future twenty years from now, and I tell
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: you're going to have exactly what you want in life,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: exactly what you want. Your biggest wish is the house
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: you want, the job you want, the money you want.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: But some guys you knew from school gonna be commenting
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: on these guys. Did you lose you? Would you care?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: Would you say, oh, okay, I'm gonna give up the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: future I wanted because these losers I knew from school
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: are going to be making fun of me because I'll
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: be on TV. That fixed it for me once and
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: for all. Yeah, actually no, yeah, you always get this.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: You know, no one likes to be this slacked, But
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: put it in that context.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of people dislike me. Who cares? It's the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: problem In my mind, I really don't care, and you
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: shouldn't care, particularly once you be achieved success. You don't
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: need them forget about it. Yeah, and this is part
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: of part of why getting a few money is valuable
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: is you can really tell everybody to go a few?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: All right? Uh Liam They say money can't buy happiness,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: but can happiness buy money?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: A sense of I mean sense of both.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: So money can buy happiness. It's nonsense that money cannot
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: buy happiness. If you have If you have a lot
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: of money, your options increase. What you can do increases.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Pursuing the values that really important for your happiness is
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: much more. They're much more accessible to you. It doesn't
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: even tee happiness. You can't literally buy happiness, but money
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: is necessary for happiness, There's no question about that. And
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: happiness doesn't buy money other than the sense that if
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: you're generally a happy person and you owe you in
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: it towards a positive you will find ways to make
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: money ultimately. But but so so, if that's what you mean,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: then yes, but it's it's not literal, all right, Jennifer Sis,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: thank you round for all you do. Niek Us. I
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: live in Michigan, a place with four distinct seasons, including
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: a snowy winter. I love the variety and they are
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: fun things to do in each month.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I you know, good for you. But here we
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: go from mosquito infested heat to the fall is no,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: fall is nice, the fall is okay. Then you go
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: to something like winter. Then you go to other decision,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: and then from other decisions straight to interested heat, heat wave.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: I have to say that this is what happens when
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: a culture rejects air conditioning and rejects getting rich.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: But well, we have a condition. My house has three
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: air conditions. It's not even in its house. Every house
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: has multipler conditions. And that's not the that's not the point.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: We have stopped spraying for the mosquitoes. And this year
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: the West Nile virus is very prominent in Greece.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: So finally people are asking questions, what are we gonna
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: do about mosquites?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: You should in Spain it should just you should. You
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: should use genetic engineering to eradicate them.
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  Speaker 3: Even better.
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  Speaker 2: Spain is way too moderate. I I I think mosquito
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: should be eradicated. But they're being diseases they and they
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: do no good, They do nothing positive. There's zero positive
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: for for mosquito, So eliminate them completely. Mm hmmm. Why
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  Speaker 2: is Israel less mosquito infested and less horrible the weather
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: than the way you're describing it in Greece. I don't know,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: no idea.
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  Speaker 3: You know that you would never expect the areas where
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  Speaker 3: there are many mosquitoes. I was reading in Stalin's biography
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: when he was in exile in Siberia. He said his
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: biggest enemies were boredom and mosquitoes in PSI. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: how would you expect mosquitoes in Siberia?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: And yet yeah, another reason to eradicate them. They can
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: survive you in the cold. I mean it's ridiculous. Yeah,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: that's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well Siberia is not that cold in the summer, so.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have to survive the winter, the lava.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, they can't all die out in the winter
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: otherwise how do they? How do they? You know, the
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: eggs have to survive the freeze. So it must be
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: some evolved species of mosquitoes that they they were just
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: created by God to bug us to destroy human Anyway,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: should people be judged negatively for not wanting to advance
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: in their career people who are content at working low
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: level jobs if it makes them happy.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: That's very difficult because you'd have to know so much
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: about them. You should have so much context. Why are
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: they not ambitious in their career? It would be very difficult.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: I know that the standard objective standards, you know, you
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: should have a central purpose and goal in but you know,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: every each one's life is so much context dependent and
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: sometimes you have to make your to try to make
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: your hobey the profession, but sometimes it's not possible. So
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: before I would jump in into a like blanket statement,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: I would have to know enough things about that particular person.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I go in completely. I don know why they're
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: not advanced, they don't want to advance in their career.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: What is the reason for that? And and why are
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: they content at a low level job? What is the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: what is the reason for that? If it's if it's
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: true lack of ambition in life, then you could condemn them.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: But it could be as Becuse suggests, maybe they're pursuing
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: an acting career on the side. Maybe they're doing something else.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe they never found the thing that excites them, and
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: they've got a hobby that does excite them.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: It's it's all because maybe the rest of their life
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: is so perfect. I mean, peak to someone I don't know,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: he's a fisherman in a small village. But also he
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: has a huge library and the most loving wife in
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: history and the best kids. Would you say, this guy
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: is known, I'm business.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: Well, and he's ambitious in his library, So you know,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: in that sense, so there has to be some outlet
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: for your values. But that outlet might not be in
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: all cases your career for a variety of reasons, particularly
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: in this world. I mean, there's a lot of frustrated
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: artists out there who have not managed to make art
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: a career because of the kind of world we live in.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: And but that's that's what they are, and and but
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: they still have to give by somehow, Hopper Cambo. A
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: lot of new young objectives podcasters have arisen in the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: last few years. Okay, over the next ten or twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: we can capture the youth. The next ten or twenty
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: years is fascism's last. Who are.
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  Speaker 3: I'm happy the open or the oppos could happen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy your qus optimistic. I don't know these new
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: young objectives podcasters, they do, they have growing audiences, I hope,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: So I hope you're right, you know, And and I
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: wish all the podcasts as well. I haven't seen any
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: of them kind of blow up or become really big,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: which is going to be necessary. They're going to have
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: to become really really big for the next twenty years
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: to capture the youth. So numbers matter, seis matters in podcasting, YouTube,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: it it's.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: And the sad truth is that every other movement could
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: claim exactly the same thing. If this would be the fastiest,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: we could have a super so say, there are many
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: fastest young podcasters and I see and I'm sure in
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: every movement they have exactly the same discussion. And the
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: question is do we have any good divisions to be optimistic?
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: And anyone who knows me knows that for me, the
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: answer is no.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Nikas is not optimistic. There's a shock to the system. Guys,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: all right, I who is this Loan the Center? Please
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  Speaker 2: the Center, And yeah, I mean the way this grows
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: is you take these ideas out there and you you
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: articulate them. You don't stand it, you don't just absorb,
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  Speaker 2: but you become a communicator.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And one thing to our friend, I say your
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  Speaker 3: appreciation because I would watch the Shaws and sometimes I
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: do as a audience if I will have an out
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  Speaker 3: of body experience. This is the first time I've created
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: content which is content with someone else where. I would say,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: I would want to watch this if even if I
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: was not involved in it. So but again, we would
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: do exactly the same. We have two thousand or two
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: million viewers. Whether we're going to have two thousand or
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: two million is also up to other factors, including you spreading.
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  Speaker 2: The world yep once what funds I think for as
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: all something like that, What would be your answer to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: the conservative argument illustrated by Rome? By Rome proceeds Venice
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: as an illustration that order power of the state, conservative
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: values comes before freedom, trade, etc. In other words, Rome
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: promoted a common good that defined common good defines centrally
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: and unification of values around the Mediterranean via its law,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: and it may behavior predictable and perhaps and therefore trade
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: more possible.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: You could say exactly the same about Soviet Union.
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  Speaker 2: By the way.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, they made behavior predictable. They had some universal
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: rules throughout the empire. This is not why one society
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: does well or doesn't do well.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: And there was trade. There was a lot of trade
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: relative to the Dark Ages. There was a lot of
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: trade in Rome. Relative to the nineteenth century. There was
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: a tiny bit of trade in Rome. It was a comma.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: It was barely noticeable as committed the nineteenth centuries, committed
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: the twenty first century, it's not even a comma. Right,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: So we today, if trade is the standard, with the
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: craziness in the world today, all the insanity that goes
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: on in the world today, trade is at its best. Freedom.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Were more free today than we've ever been before. So
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: we're more free today than we aren't were as Romans.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: There's less order, but there's more freedom, there's more trade.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: There's probably less crime today than there was under Rome.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: By every measure, by every single frigging measure of human
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: well being, we're better off today than we were Rome.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure why Rome is a standard Rome.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Rome was the best of its time, probably not as
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: good as Greece was before. This was probably better than Rome.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: But okay, Rome was about as good as it got
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: for them. But we know so much more today about freedom,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: about individualism, about ware innovation comes from about human progress,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: about science, about technology, and all of that is a
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: product of individual human reason. It's not a product of order,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: and it's not a product of And think about Rome. God,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: you had Caligula, and you had what's his name who
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: burnt wrong down, and you had you know, all these
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: crazy empress who did horrible things and they killed each other,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: and yeah, you had some order. But relative to Rome,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: our politics are sane, like Trump is, like, I mean,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: he's dumber than I think most Roman Empire empresors, but
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: he says crazy as most Roman empires were, empress were.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing unusual about it. And the Roman
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  Speaker 2: Senate was. I mean, the whole thing is I don't
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: know why Rome was venerated other than it was a
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: great military power and it controlled the world. By the way,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: trade flourished under the Mongols, the Mongol Empire, because it
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: ruled so much of the world, much more than Rome.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Trade because now you could yet one legal system, you
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: had one. It was relatively safe, relatively in those terms.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: So trade can flourish under empire The amazing thing about
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: the nineteenth century and today is the trade flourishes in
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: spite of the fact that there is no empire and
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: the individualism I still think as a force in the
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: world out there, not as an ideology, but as a reality.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: People offer the most part pursuing their own self interest
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: in the day to day lives all over the world.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: And if you ask a group of Vietnamese people, who
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: does your life belong to? They don't say the state,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: They don't stay the politarian. They say it belongs to me,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: even in communists so called communist country. So it's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as bad as the world is, and to
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: some extent, I sha Nicos's spessimism. The world is amazing
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: and there's a huge amount of good in it, all right,
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  Speaker 2: Christian Nikos, as a football expert, you surely know Bayen
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  Speaker 2: b a y Em the Red side of Munich Byron Munfin.
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  Speaker 2: How do you also know eighteen sixty eighteen sixty the
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  Speaker 2: blue side They once played bund in the Budnesliga now
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  Speaker 2: fourth division. There was many blue pubs in Munich. Was
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  Speaker 2: there yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: He was there yesterday yes Byron eighty sixty was the
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: other big club of Munich, but in the latest year
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: it's been in this respute. By the way, for anyone
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: who wants to jump into following football from with the
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  Speaker 3: tactical line, Bayer in Munich is one of the most
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  Speaker 3: entertaining thing teams to watch. They have a manager who
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere. He was a mediocre man, very new
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  Speaker 3: manager in England in the Premier League. Buyer got him.
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  Speaker 3: They played the most entertaining football. Usually they do very
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: well in the Champions League. In the last years they
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: get this qualified in the semifinals, but in the most
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: entertaining way, many goals, attacking football, high press. If you
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: want to jump into the tactics, go in YouTube and
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: watch something about Buyer. It's high entertainment football.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent, all right, Eric Nichols remonetization. Thanks for reading the news.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: This is rich not Enwick. I don't know where I
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  Speaker 2: got Eric from. Richard Canningham, Thank you Richard.
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  Speaker 3: Richard also says three books, not one three.
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  Speaker 2: So he says he did this three times, twenty dollars each.
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  Speaker 2: Nikos Rheumatization, thank you for reading a mouse. I don't
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. This is very considerate. And I would say
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  Speaker 3: usually doing research is fun, particularly with Jdivans with the limit,
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  Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? So? Why is it
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  Speaker 2: more fun to read the left than it is to
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  Speaker 2: read the right?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not necessarily with it actual I told you so.
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  Speaker 3: Limy is off the charge entertainment value. So it's not
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  Speaker 3: the left and the right thing or Lenny is also bored.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's maybe because they have these figures
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  Speaker 3: in the right they don't have anything or reginal.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say that, yea, then the left
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  Speaker 2: is original. Left is at least intellectual the thinkers and
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  Speaker 2: the way is really just is the massaging Christianity a
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  Speaker 2: massaging the left. They're taking ideas that already exists out
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  Speaker 2: there and we.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you've read the Frankfurt School, which is
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  Speaker 2: All right, Richard has a question. A Canadian told me
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  Speaker 2: they have mosquitoes so big they can carry away a mouse. Also,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: they need mosquitoes to create Jurassic Park. Oh well, bad idea.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I wouldn't mind if the mosquitoes were the size
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: of a bed, because then it would it be an equalified.
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  Speaker 3: I would get my tennis raged dos album bum. Now
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  Speaker 3: there's these that's the thing. Sometimes they make the noise,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: but sometimes they don't even make the noise. They're in
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: CDIs because they're small. So it's a fair fight. So
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: make mosquitos big. I wouldn't mind.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have nets on your windows.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: I've got nets on my windows, but I walk out
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  Speaker 3: three four times every day. I do digestion walks, I
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: do my ten thousand steps, so and every time I
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: have to put these gardens. What these chemicals are? But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I guess better capitals than the West Nile virus.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely better than the West no Verse. We have donkey
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: donkey fever in Puerto Rico, which is really bad. People
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: die from it.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, and again people, I mean, we're joking here,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: but it is absolutely tragic that we have the capacity
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  Speaker 3: to eliminate mosquitoes and we don't do it for intellectual,
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  Speaker 3: practical visions that it will either be playing God or
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  Speaker 3: there would be like the precautionary principle, Can you guarantee
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  Speaker 3: that the hundred present there is going to be no direct,
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  Speaker 3: no bad consequence. These are the things for wheats. More
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  Speaker 3: people are dying than they have died in I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: A million people die. About a million people die a
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: year for mosquitoes. I mean malaria primarily, but Denghi and
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  Speaker 2: Nile and Zica, and they carry all these horrible viruses.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: The fact that we have that we have not worn
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: the war mosquitoes is the biggest indictment in the low
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: self esteem of humanity.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: Good point. Okay, Masim says, Hello, Nicas and Ian love
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  Speaker 2: this show and thank you for the effort. I googled
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  Speaker 3: the least. He was changed smoking. He was swimming though.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing with his swimming, we forgot you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: it last week or whenever we That was a funny
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  Speaker 3: after tragic but quite funny also, so he would jump
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  Speaker 3: in this river, and whenever he would want to make
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  Speaker 3: a statement that I'm about to do something brave, he
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• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: print something as crazy as imagine if they said Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump ran six marathons in a day. So then the
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  Speaker 3: newspapers would print that, and then thousands of Red guards
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  Speaker 3: if President if German most one three kilometers downstream, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna swim And people were dry. Yes, people were literally dying.
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  Speaker 3: But again that's also an IQ test, so that's like
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: a Tarwini one.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sad. We're still a young species. We're still
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: a young species. We ideas for positive shows. Okay, a
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: show on Shuman, General Schrman.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: That would be a negative for half the America these days,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: but that's.
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's still a positive. A show on General Patton,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: a show at Churchill, okay, a great legendary businessman.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: How about one of Maggie that I've got the books.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: Here, mag Thatcher. I did a show on Muggatacher last year,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: and you can do Thatcher.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: Well, then let's wait a year, So that's financial people.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I mean there are lots of businessmen
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: we could do if we want to go that route.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: We could do Steve Jobs, we could do Rockefeller, we
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: could do Connegie, we could do I mean, there's a
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: ton of of of great stories that we can tell
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: if we want to go that route.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: Find a businessman for whom good by the have been
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: written so that we have some good raw material.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Well, a nice thing about somebody like Jobs is you've
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: got a lot of video of him and you've got
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: a biography written about him, which is somewhat questionable, but
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: you've got a biography written about him. We can also
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: do somebody like if you ever read the biography of
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: another DaVinci.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: No, but I know it's absolutely fascinating, really good.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: It's really good, and.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: I guess someone has to fund it because there's no
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: wagon persuade you down to do it. And even if
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: I do know what's gonna watch it. We should absolutely
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: do a biography from some of the geniuses of sports.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: And to one example I would use is Pep Guardiola,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 3: And I'll just give you one example. He did something
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: that I've also seen many brilliant business people do. He
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: borrows ideas from completely different fields. So in Manchester City
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: he brought us an assistant, someone who was a major
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: player in what polo because he thought, look, water polo,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: you have this problem of space. You have a very
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: static difference in a very small space. And the way
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: I play attacking football or go it's a completely different sport.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 3: I basically face the same space. Time people raise your problem.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: And one of his seasons was someone from a different sport.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: And in a similar way, I've heard that Steve Jobs
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: would get random ideas from completely different fields and then
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: go and pursue these people and bring them, bring them along.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Steve jav bought Pixar, remember that he did.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: He he was you know what, he was running Apple,
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: he was also running Pixel. So so geniuses and sports, Okay, yeah,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: we're doing We're doing Men's next We're doing MENSA next
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: week and that's yes, there's certainly a sports and Vimo says,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: looking forward to MENSA next week? Right, you want positive? Yeah,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: we should do. We should do. We've talked about doing
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: the in meant we should do some positive intellectual movements,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: not just all the negatives. Yeah.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: The only problem is that I would have to start
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: from scratch my research, so it will be more work.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: Except so, for example, we could also do mixed cases,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: for example Robert Nozick, which that would be good. Yeah,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: anarchy Stateum, you don't be. I think it's it has
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: so many good lessons on how to do philosophical advocacy.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: So we could also review it from this point of view.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I talked a little bit about Nosic can
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: fight it. Because I was talking about this, the Stanford
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: Encyclopedia Philosophy did an entry on capitalism, and so they
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: mentioned Nosic there, and the even mentioned nine ran in
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: half of a paragraph, a very short paragraph. But but yeah,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Nosic would be good. A right good. Yeah, okay, so
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: lots of stuff to do. You know, we're going to
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: be sticking around for a while.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: That's the that's the memo, says Nichols. What are your
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: favorite Greek islands? I've only been to Kofu and liked them.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: The embarrassing thing is most of you guys have been
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: to more Greek islands than I have been. So the
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: reason for this is that I have family from Crete,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: so for nine tenths of my life the obvious choice
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: was going to go to crete. It completely depends on
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: the context. So for example, if you have a family,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: if you want to come and party, if you want
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: to come for a romantic get away with your girlfriend,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: how much money you have if you're not, for example,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 3: super rich. I mean, I might tell you Santo rin
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: is so beautiful and or Mikonos's utful. You go there
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: and after three hours we've taken the first boat backause
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: we've run out of money. So it's so also the
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: context of over tourism. Over tourism is a thing. You
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: go to Santorini these days, I'm told, and you have
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: to wait in line to see the beautiful landscape because
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: there are all the people with selfish and days said.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: So it's it's so much context they needed. So I
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: haven't got the or the winds, for example, August, the
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: winds are horrible. In the exam. You can be somewhere
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: the most beautiful place and for a week you cannot
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: take it to your hotel because of the wind. So
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: sorry for not giving you an answer, but it's it's
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: like telling me, which see theses that go in the US.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: There's so many we literally have hundreds and hands of islands.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: Literally yep, right, which reminded me, we're supposed to talk
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: about Greek islands. I forgot. I'm supposed to get back
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: to you about Greek islands. Ok.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: You're gonna discuss it in London.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about London. Okay, that's gets some information
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: before we talk. So I needed some research, all right,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: Andrew says he remembers who I debated. I debated Andrew Sullivan,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: the Conservative, and he says in debate, Andrew Sullivan went
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: on about poor, helpless folk, townfolk losing industries and jobs
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: once prevalent in their hometown works over generations by their ancestors.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: What are they supposed to do? And e One's response
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: was move and he he thought it was how he
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: thought I was busies.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: Let's try to give this argument. It's view. I lived
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: sixteen years away from home. I still have dreams the
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 3: hours before I leave to go to the airport. It's horrible,
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: and it never gets better. It never actually it became
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: worse with the years. So this is not to say
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: it's always pleasant, it's nice. Actually, sometimes it's absolutely heartbreaking
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: and it's a little tragedy. A little dead. But the
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: answer is, so what's the alternative, like the world should
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: stop or someone should force the factory not to move
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: away because and also my prediction is more people move
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: because of state, is not because of the free market.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: I left Greece because of the Greeks crisis, which was
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent due to the basket socialist social basket case.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: That was Greek, absolutely, But anyway, I had the exact
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: opposite response to leaving home than the nicoster. So I
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: never long to go back. I never bothered me. I
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: you know, if I never if I never visit Israel
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: again in my life, nothing nothing will happen.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I would never. Like if you told me
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pay you half a billion cap and work
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: in the US, I would, but it would be very
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: very difficult. People. If a movie which is very good
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: or this Live Don't Live is it Alian movie from
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: the late eighties, see the Mapara diesel.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a great movie.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: It's a brilliant movie and really beautiful. It's a little
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: speech by the mental at the don't give it to nostalgia.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: It's it's a brilliant movie and the last every time
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: you watch it, you might know exactly the dialogue. It's
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 3: impossible for me not to get emotional at weird.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: It's ablutely brief, really good, it's it's a beautiful movie.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's it's touching and emotional and everything. A lot
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: of modern movies are not. And it's thoughtful. Uh yeah,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: I mean you. I wouldn't take a half a million
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: to move back to Israel. I wouldn't take five million
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: to move back to Israel. You couldn't. You couldn't get
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: me to move back, which.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 3: Is so weird because in the mind of a Balkan
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: Israel is almost to the United States. It's like, yeah,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: there's a bit of difference, but not a major difference.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, but there's no, there's no I'm not
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: like it. I mean, I get it. This is in
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: a sense of wanting to go back home to your wife,
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: to your place. But to me, that could be anyway.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: Geography mix and and the kind of people around makes
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: no difference to me. And I'm not meaning it has
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: to be the United States. I can tomorrow decide I
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: want to live in New Zealand and build a beautiful
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: life in New Zealand and be quite happy there. I
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: don't really care, you know, as long as it's free,
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: and as long as I feel like I can get
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: the stuff that I want to get done done, I
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: don't care where I live.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: And as the needing mentions about the old disease is
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: very right, or that the home you return to is
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: never the FORMU left, So nostalgia they are very in
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: citus forces. They they at this meet or that change
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: is actually memories are very often and completely different from
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: the Yeah.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: All right, we're running logs uh, let's go rolland says
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: on the weather schism, I'm with you on When I
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: spent two years in England, I swore I never complain
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: any more about weather being too good.
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: I would trade every single day of the Greek summer
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: for one day of British fall and springing.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: God well, yes, okay, summer for fall and spring okay, yeah,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: even then even then fallen springing, Yeah, British fallen spring
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: are not I mean, there are days that are beautiful.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: Bit is the evaluation of order. This is from Loan.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: The center is the evaluation of order as the main
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: social value. The politics are bad. Self esteem the feeling
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: of being unable and unworthy to live in a world
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: demanding continual improvement, stifling that world. I think that's good because.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: No, no, I was I was just thinking my mentor
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: Frank fur back in the day. He said, it's almost
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: like an age thing. It's like when you're young, you
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: want the new things, and when you're old, it's like,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: oh you what the things? They where they are? There's
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: something there which transcend age, and it's it's like a mindset.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: It's it's the non ambitious mindset, is that you're scared
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: of things are happening, and part of you things, oh
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: now I'll have to do the extra work to cut up.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, So it's definitely it's definitely an issue of
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: self esteem. I think somebody who has robust self esteem,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it's eager to face an ever changing future
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: and assuming change is good, right progress, it's somebody who
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: is not confident in the ability to deal with the
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: future that is there is reluctant. And I think that
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: the same that relates to age. I think when we're young.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: When we're young, we kind of have a certain we
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: have a sudden curiosity and excitement about the future, and
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: there's this we haven't beaten ourselves down yet. And as
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: we get older, I think people beat themselves down and
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: they lose their self esteem and they become more fearful.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of people reaching the ages of sixty,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: seventy eighty, and fear suddenly becomes a much more important
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: part of their life, much more important, And they're making
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: decisions based on fear which twenty years earlier they would
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: never do. Right. So there's something psychological going on there,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: and I think it's related to self esteem. Jeff says,
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: I thank you you on Ankos. Let's see Wizzle says,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Danin is so evil he makes the Frankfurts look almost
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: benign by comparison. Average guy today has more options than
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: ever to live a fulfilling life.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 3: I think that's right, it's right that they have. But
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's also healthy to try and see why
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: is this appealing? Why is it that so many people
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: feel the need to listen to this? So again, We've
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: said it many times the past. The lack of meaning
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: is real because meaning means the idea that your life
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: has a purpose, that your life first of all matters.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 3: I think this is the biggest lack of meaning, that
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: the idea that you can make something great of your life,
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: and that your life is important is under attack, and
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: it is also an attack under attacked by people like
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: the Meaning or his comrades could tell you live for
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: something bigger than yourself. If I mean in this constant
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: where is this think bigger than myself to live, then
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: of course I have a crisis of meaning. Then of
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: course I feel or think about it this way. If
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: your main navigating instrument, which is your mind, you're constantly
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: told you don't have a navigating instrument, then the world
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: becomes scarcly. If the world becomes a scary place, change
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: is also scared because change is something that happens to you.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: You don't demiciate to change. Therefore, in this world that
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: the needs of this world have created, in a way,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: this is a selfsus fulfilling prophecy. You will have a
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: lot of meaning in that world, and the.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Change will be scared absolutely, and and you won't have
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: self esteem, which is all ties it all together to
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: the psychology, in addition to the ideas. Okay, London sense,
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: it's the second time in the last few days that
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: the divine writer's stagnation has been attributed to iron Man.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: But for the sake of accuracy. It was written by Brandon.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: Not a fan of him, but he did write it, Yes,
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: under her auspices. Thanks for correcting that that that.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks for correcting for future reference. There is no need
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: to quote correct me. I am very generous in giving
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: all the proper you to Brandon as an excellent writer
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: in his time with Run, but also after that. I
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: think his books on psychology are useful, at least to me.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's he's not in the risk of being
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: undermine for me.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: Hapaa. Is the food in Barcelona better than New York City?
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: I mean I think so in the SMA variety of
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: New York in a sense that you've got more ethnic
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: food in New York, although there's a lot of ethnic
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: food here in Barcelona as well. But yes, I think
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: the food in Barcelona is just the average food. The
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: food you just walk into a restaurant is better. They
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: were home wells.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: For my first two years of traveling for AARI, my
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: standard was fine the McDonald's and have a big march
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: because it's the safe meal. The only time I broke
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: that was when I was in Madrid with you Roland.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: We ate in the Madrid restaurant and the thing I
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 3: remember remember the waiters to do speak English and it
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: was relatively a high class restaurant. How crazy was that
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 3: that you have in a tourist city speak about lack
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: of AMBI a tourist restaurant high class, because otherwise why
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: would Bet only there and didn't Speakinglish?
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: I can't remember that all right?
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: And Imber I remember your comment you said, this show's
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: lack of.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, James, if you have a babysitter in your home
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: and have hidden cameras throughout the house to prevent child abuse,
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: should you legally have to tell the babysitter she is
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: being recorded? Probably not, if you don't do anything with
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: the video. I mean, I think it would be wrong
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: with you other than to watch. For the sake of security,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: I would tell the babysitter. I mean, I think it's
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: the right thing to do. But it's your home. Maybe
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: there's a presumption that she's coming into your home that
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: in these days that she will be taped. I'm not sure.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: And also practically it's good for them to know now.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: Of course, obviously you would have put in the toilet
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: or like cretty things like that, But again it's not
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: what you wouldn't have a right. But yeah, it's it's
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: it makes more sense that they know that there's a camera.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: Then they're gonna behave even even better.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: Ye, so says Colocavod on colo Kovod means good job.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: You're the first to warn us about the post lib
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: woke right evil. I did warn you a long, long
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: time ago.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: But I remember where I was, literally where I was
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: on lastbor campus, listening to very very old type your
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: own Brooks. So back then we called it the out right,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 3: and you were criticizing the outright, and the key figure
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: back then was Malo Yanopoulos. What type of back in
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: the day we're talking about. I still remember it was
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: either twenty fifteen or sixty, early two thousand and sixty.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 3: I remember literally where I was when I was listening.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, no, it was, Yeah, I saw it early, and
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: it frames my It frames a lot of why I'm
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: so adamantly anti Trump. I mean beyond just the Trump,
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: that this is part of part of a trend, part
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: of a movement, part of something that's happening.
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: And while at that time Malo Janopoulos was a guest
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: in prominent libertarian so I don't want to give names
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 3: if you will like a give name.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Neo says, is Shvili really this is the
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: I assumed the Georgian prime minister really guilty of. Was
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: it Russian pressure to put him behind bars? I I know,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: I know a little bit about actually really and I
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: know people who know him really well, and the people
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: who know him really well tell me it's it's Russian.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: It's all Russian conspiracy. I have no reason not to
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: believe them. They Judjians, and they worked with him, and
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: they worked for him, and they they were there when
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 2: all those was going on. So I'll I'll trust their
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: word on it.
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: I have the most second handed danger possible. The people
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: are knowing Georgia, all of whom are in our orbit,
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: intellectual orbit. They all say that he did very good
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: reforms and the Rossians didn't like him. But that's super
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: second handed. They have zero personal.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I'll be I'll actually be in Georgia
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: right after London. I'm going to believe him. All right,
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: you've already warned me about the airport. Nature Observer. What
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: is the difference between Alexander and Dugin and Patrick Denien?
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 3: Huge difference? Do gimmis first? And foremost a self described
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 3: actually postmodernists. He do given openly attacks enlightenment, do given
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 3: openly attacks reasonally in a way that the name would
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: not would not do it. And do give is more
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 3: openly a nihilist. The name has a vision of something
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: which is the good society. Dou gim is missing this.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: Dougin has taken the bad things of all bad philosophies
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 3: and has created a mix. He's like a super villain
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: in a Bond movie. He's the Bond the intellectual Bond
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 3: villain that you cannot expect that someone could actually have
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: these views. He's the guy who, when it was not
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: easy to do so, fused both avision with fascism. Ethnos.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: He was part of the group which was literally a
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: neo Nazis communist group, and this was during the Soviet
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: Union days when it was difficult. So he didn't just
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: do it for the lords. He believed that stuff and
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: he put himself on risks.
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: To do it. Yeah, I agree, I agree with all that.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: That's the and the and and I say the need
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: Worm criticized reason and stuff like that, partially because there's
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: no reason fame, but also because he he views reason
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: in the Thomas sense, in a Catholic sense, in somewhat
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: detectional reality, right in a in a in a rationalistic sense,
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: he would be he would consider himself as an advocate
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: for reason. He would consider himself a defendive reason. But
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: reason fame is not what it is. Fine, man, it's not.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: It's not a it's not the same epistemological tool. Yeah.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: So then, yeah, Dugin is a nihilist. I mean, there's
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: something really evil about Dougin. The ninas is really bad,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: but it's not quite a nihilist.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: And the reason why we can not do a very
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: deeper dive on dug In is unfortunately we live in
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: these times where Amazon thinks that it's a good idea
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: to ban books that are not politically correct. I don't
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 3: know how to put it. So back in the day
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: when I did an episode for the Iron Issue that
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 3: had to go to crazy places to find a couple
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: of books by Dugan, I don't even have access to
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: that anymore. So it's literally impossible to do a serious
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: start with Duging without going to the weird places.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: Shows. What gives us some options in terms of movies, okay,
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: one is Tremors nineteen ninety, Logan's Run nineteen seventy six,
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: Superman nineteen seventy eight, and Furissa a Mad Max story
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four that you can definitely find somewhere in streaming.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, I look for all of them. Superman is
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: the low hiding Fruit, and it's a movie that I
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: watched many times as kids, so I'd be very happy
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: to talk about that. I'll look for the other set.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: I'll coordinate with Yarro and will tell you.
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 2: So you only want Forissa. You don't want the the
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: the sequel prequel sequel because it's a sequel to another
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: Mad Max story, and they make a really good what
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: do you call it? Twucsome Anyway, sometimes we should we can.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: We can review those two.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: Can you pronounce the Trammers House.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 2: It gremas t R E M O R S. Furiosa
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: is f you are io s A okay? And the
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: other Logan Logan Logan l O G A n apostrophe
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: s Logan's Run Superman.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 3: All right, Okay, I'll decide which of these Superman is
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 3: the low hugging food, because otherwise I have to watch
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 3: all the Mad Max. I haven't got time.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Superman you haven't watched any Mad Max movies?
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 3: No, wow? Surprisingly not wow?
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm a big mad Max fan, Okay, James.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: As California's population continues to decline, will it begin to
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: copy its competitive Florida and Dot back the taxes and regulations?
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: California would be paradise if it wasn't run by a psychopath.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: By psychopaths, I mean you mean fifty to fifty five
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 2: percent of Californians vote for the people who run it.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: I mean blaming politicians it we get the politicians we
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: deserve California as the politicians it deserves. Will it begin
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: to copy as competitors like Florida? You know, I don't
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: know why you would think it would do that? When when?
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: When does? When? Does experience really shape people to that extent?
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: I have no idea what happens to California.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: And California is a good exhibit. People do not vote
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: based on their pockets. March was wrong. People vote based
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 3: its ideas that move the world. It's a very good
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 3: chance that California will be ruined. Their neighborhoods will be ruined.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: People who still vote the same thing because altruism is a.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: Beats absolutely, James. Do most people speak English in Barcelona?
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: Can you get by without knowing where to Spanish? Yeah?
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: I do. I don't know where to Spanish. I live
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, uh, which everybody speaks Spanish. I spent
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of time in Barcelona, and Portugal is better.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: People Portuguese speak much more English than Spanish. But you
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: can manage, you know, I managed in China. I managed
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: in Japan where they don't speak in English, so you
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: can manage anywhere. A lot of sign language, a lot
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: of you can draw stuff.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 3: In you child them. I don't speak Spanish because I
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: don't accept the power of Spain over Catalan. They will
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 3: love you and.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: More, they will love you completely, absolutely absolutely. They'll try
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: to teach me Catalan, which is even worse. But but yeah,
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: at a restaurant in China once my wife literally had
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: a draw on the napkin a fork so that they
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: so they would get her a forc and and you
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: could see the eyes. You could see the the the
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: the the recognition and the waitress of yes, I know
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: what a focus and she went running and looking couldn't
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: so you never get a folks, all right, you guys
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: need to get out. You need to travel the world
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: a little bit. You really need to see stuff. It's
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's fun. You can go back home, but but
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: go see the world. Go see the world. This is wizzle.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: At this rate, the twenty thirty six presidential election will
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: be Hassan Piker versus Nick Fuentes.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: Abandoned all we're gonna be on the same side.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: That's right. I don't know why the one is going
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: to be the other's running mate. Yeah, it's the world.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: Were coming to Andrew show topic ideas, right, you're writing
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: history of great businessman or businesses m h. Manageable prep
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: for nikos, probably reading one good comprehensive book per subject.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: The lives of a Rockefellow or con gee are fascinating.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 3: Guys, we wouldn't be the show we are if we
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 3: came to you have a graduate book.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: But okay, but but yeah we we you know, we
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: could do You could do the Rothschilds like that would
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: be fascinating because that's a lot of European history. Yes,
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: and yeah, there's a few books on the Rothschilds, so
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: you'll you'll definitely get more than one if you go that. Well,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: there's another famous financier, German financier. But yeah, there's yeah,
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: we could do. You know, there's a lot we can do,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: all right, loan dessented. Do you think Trump hag Seth
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: abandoning the drone project is motivated by these ideas people
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: can't learn sacrifice if robots are doing their fighting. I mean,
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit of this, right, and and I
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: know Nicas just said there, but here's here's the example
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: I like to use. Right in the nineteen nineties, you
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: remember the war in Kosovo, So I forget that, Okay,
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: So the United States was bombing a Soviet and and
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: there was an op ed written in the Wall Street
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: Journal by Max Max Boots, who's a neo conservative. He's
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: changed over the years, but he was a new Conservative
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: back then. And he basically said that the war was
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: an immoral war because America was not because American soldiers
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: were not at risk. That is, they were bombing stuff
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: from way up high where nobody could shoot them down.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: And this is not kind of noble warfare, This is
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: not this is not legit. And he was at the
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: time a major, you know, a major figure on the right,
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: but a real altruist. He took his altruism and both
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: theory really seriously, and I never forget that how bad.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 2: It's just it was one of the most shocking things
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: I've ever read. So you have the advantage, you should
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: lower that advantage to put yourself. It's like in the
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: old westerns, right, we go back to the Westerns. In
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: a Western, you never shoot the bad guy in the back.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: Like in the Western the good guy like the bad
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: guy wants you want to shoot out, Okay, we'll meet
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: at noon and on a fair level playing field. Like no,
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: you kill the guy anyway you can. He's the bad guy.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 2: So it always drove me crazy. But but there's a
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: it goes back to the Knights in Europe. You know
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: you have rules about how you're going to kill each other. No,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, good guys should just kill the bad guys.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 3: How crazy is this? Last week I used Marx boots
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 3: from The Guerrilla and I was teaking how cool. If
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: there was any context we could discuss max books book
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: with like probably he's never.
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: I read the book. I read the book absolutely. I
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: can't remember it so i'd have to i'd have to
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: revise it, I'd have to go over. But I absolutely
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: read the book. I was a good book because in
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: the in the post nine to eleven period, I read
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: everything everything about war, about strategy, about UH count insurgency,
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 2: how to do count insurgency, which is what Max Boots
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: book has a lot of stuff, you know. I mean
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: I read a lot of Victor Davis Hanson, I read
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: Max Boots, and but yeah, Max was I still remember
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: that one example about the fighter, and so I don't
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: think that's what motivated this particular decision. But I do
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: think you will see there will be a segment of people,
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: particularly on the right, who will say and on the left,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: who will say, no robots in war, it dehumanizes it.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: We need we need real blood and guts, we need
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: to make it real. And and part of the argument
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: will be and there was a Star Trek episode actually
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: where they deal with this question is when when there's
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: nothing at stake in so it's a human life, it's
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 2: easier to go to war. So I don't think that's
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: a good that's a good reason. But I think you'll
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: see more arguments like that because look into super thick
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: whiteboard markers.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look it's it's it's a lot of way. It's
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 3: very fine you've seen you've seen the meme, Like, how
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  Speaker 3: I imagine when I was thinking about this, this would
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  Speaker 3: look so good and everyone WI starts fully, Now I
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: realize probably people can't see anything. Yeah, I'll change. Yeah,
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: I bought these new ones that are not they're not great. Yeah,
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 3: well I'll see how it looks on the video after
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 3: because I rewats the episode, and I'll let you know.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: Will improve the whiteboard technology, bread pants something like that,
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  Speaker 2: all right, also for duty. I'm not sure what that
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: refers to, but something all right? Uh run, thanks so
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: great podcast, Thank you run? Uh Len, God, why is
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: this so difficult enough or something like that? Could objectivists
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: gather as families, recycle grow flowers? I'm not sure what
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: that means? Sure, why not? Why could certainly we could
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: gather as families. I'm not sure about the recycling flowers.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what what the deal is with that.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: Not not sure what the question means, Neil, what a
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 2: starts the Premier League an Ekos lots of losses to
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: the big teams.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 3: Well, keep an eye on the Greek guy. That's his
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: numbers are within the human context, because we're talking about
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 3: an alien messy like in terms of in terms of
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 3: how many things he does, assisting, creating, shooting, scoring. Again,
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 3: I'm using it as a frame of reference. Don't take
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 3: it literally, but he's one of the most underrated. He
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 3: has been for years, underrated players in Europe. Arsenal saw
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 3: that they got him with peanuts. Thirty five million is
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: peanuts and already he's making a difference. So because of
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: Joel where is our Arsenal thread this year? I'm supporting.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 3: I'm more supportive of Arsenal than in previous years. Liverpool
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 3: is gonna be not good this year, so I think
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 3: Arsenal is gonna very easily win the league. It's not
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 3: even a it's not even a question. And they can
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 3: play a bit more entertaining football than the Haramble we
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 3: watched last year.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: Rowland says, I went to Ithaca many years ago. It
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: was very pretty and peaceful.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 3: That's really it's very non tourists.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 2: Good for you, James. If countries with no sunlight and
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: bad weather become objectivist, would a large portion of the
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: population still be depressed like England.
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 3: It's a huge lie. It's a huge lie that people
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 3: are depressed over the weather. I've never seen as many
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 3: people depressed as they are in Greece, particularly during the
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: year of the crisis. I mean in terms of however
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 3: you was it suicides. There were many ways that you
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: could see or just walk, drive your car, drive your
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 3: car in Greece and drive, or go to a football
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 3: game in Greece and go to a football game in
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 3: England and tell me all the Northerns are depressed and
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 3: the Greeks are happy people.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna comment, all right, Will you have a
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: modern ce RT types like Kim Quenshaw.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 3: That's very easy. I did a whole course, sixteen a
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 3: week course. Those of you who are students or participants
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 3: in any of R's programs, you can still find it
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 3: the road to critical race theory. So it's a piece
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 3: of cake to do anything related to related to them.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 3: We can do something on Ibrahim Kendy that would be
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 3: good or the other who. Yeah, between the world and I,
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 3: you will be surprised how racist these books are, like
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 3: literally literally racist.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: So I read parts of Kenny's book when it came out,
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: because I did a show on him in twenty twenty one,
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: twenty something at the peak of his fame. Yes, we
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: should do that. Exit says YouTuber Kathy Loves Physics has
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 2: a video called in Defense of George Westinghouse Future the
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: Left Erasia in villainization of him. Yeah, westing House is
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: one of the good guys. He was amazing. I mean
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: he backed Tesla and you know, really built out the
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 2: electric grid in America. Edison failed at that because he
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: refused to accept alternating currents charsbod In Dungeons and Dragons,
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 2: there is a mosquito the size of a bond owl
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  Speaker 2: in a cage in a cage something ace. It is
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 2: a cage streak. I don't know what that word is. Dungeons,
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons. Do you play Nichols?
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, so At York. I had these very good friends
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 3: at the university four years Tellen, we need to play
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: Dungeons and Dragons. No, no, no, no, At. I say yes.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 3: I go one Thursday. I never get into it. I
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: go next Thursday, and I remember I was missing an
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 3: important football game, like maybe maybe it's something I missed.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: Next Preak Thursday was the lockdown. So the one silver
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 3: lining in the lockdown is I don't need anymore to
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 3: play this stupid thing. I still don't know what it's
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 3: about I played it for like six hours. I have
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  Speaker 3: no idea what happens, how you will, who we It's
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 3: like everyone loses. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea. I've never played, never tried. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Says it's called a stage. I don't know
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: what that is. I still don't know what it is.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Uz Andrew. You both are brilliant, and I
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 2: get the falling factor. But how hard is it to
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  Speaker 2: properly but pronounce Judeo Christian.
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  Speaker 3: Judaeo Christian? I pronounce it right?
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  Speaker 2: You know you day or I don't? I mean, I
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: probably don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: First all these are Greek words, so my answer always
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  Speaker 3: is I can pronounce them high, but I want we
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 3: gave these words to you. You though, Actually no, today
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  Speaker 3: is not the Greek word? Maybe yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not, maybe maybe not allay, we will try better.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks niggas. Can a person hike up real Mount Olympus?
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  Speaker 3: I guess why not? The Yeah parties and guerrillas were
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 3: there during the war, so yes, the usual. Like the
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 3: joke we have about ancient Greeks, they were so lazy
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  Speaker 3: that they thought gods were residing there, and they didn't
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  Speaker 3: bother to go and see. So I guess this means
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 3: it's high.
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  Speaker 2: Company and it's not even that high. It's not even
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  Speaker 2: that high.
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  Speaker 3: It's high for Greek standards, the highest mountain in Greece,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah it's not it's not particularly high.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: Alight, guys, that is it. Thank you to all the
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 2: super chatters. Really will appreciate it. Thank you, Nikos. We
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 2: will be back in two weeks. Remember, no show next week,
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 2: so two weeks. Uh to talk about who we're talking
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: about in.
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  Speaker 3: Two weeks, the legend Mike.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about Mike Mensa and uh, we'll talk about
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: the movies. We've got a bunch of movies.
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 3: Let's give people a teaser. Mike Mentzer has spoken to
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  Speaker 3: your own that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we had a phone conversation. All right, we'll
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: talk about it on the show. All right, guys, have
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 2: a great rest of your Sunday. Bye everybody.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 3: Bye, everyone,