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Sharri | 27 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: I News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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Speaker 3: filling in for Shari tonight. What's coming up on the
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Speaker 3: show The truth between Israel and Hesbella in full effect
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Speaker 3: with hopes of calm in the Middle East tonight.
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Speaker 4: But what happens next? Also tonight, Lydia.
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Speaker 3: Thorpe suspended following a wild outburst in the Senate was
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Speaker 3: just one of the dramatic scenes that unfolded today. Liberal
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Speaker 3: Senator Holly Hughes will join me to break that down.
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Speaker 3: Plus how out of touch can the ABC chairman get
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Speaker 3: Kim Williams unloaded on the world's most popular podcaster, as
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Speaker 3: the National Broadcaster's Radio Ratings Tank.
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Speaker 4: My take on that in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But first, the Albanezy government has become quite adept at
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Speaker 3: cooking the books to make the numbers look better. That's
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Speaker 3: of course what they did with the three hundred dollars
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Speaker 3: subsidy for power bills. It doesn't actually reduce the price
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Speaker 3: of power at all. It's a payment to power companies
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Speaker 3: so they can knock some money off the bill that
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Speaker 3: they send you, which conveniently means that when in is calculated,
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Speaker 3: power bills have gone down and so inflation will go down,
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Speaker 3: but the actual cost of the commodity hasn't changed. You
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Speaker 3: might call it creative accounting. Well, Deloitte Access Economics has
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Speaker 3: exposed another dodgy way that Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi and
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Speaker 3: Treasurer of Jim Charmers of course problem of Bishop who's
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Speaker 3: on this program on a Tuesday, calls him.
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Speaker 4: The snake Charmer. They're diddling the numbers.
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Speaker 3: It's called off budget spending, which is where the government
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Speaker 3: spends more money by declaring it as an investment ie.
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Speaker 3: That money goes through a government business or lending scheme,
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Speaker 3: which means it isn't included in the underlying budget number,
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Speaker 3: which is the one that we talk about on Budget Night.
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Speaker 4: Surplus and deficit, etc.
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Speaker 3: The Financial Review reported today that based on Deloitte numbers,
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Speaker 3: off budget spending will go through the roof to eighty
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Speaker 3: seven point one billion dollars over the next four years. Now,
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Speaker 3: take a look at this graph the AFR RAN. This
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Speaker 3: shows the off budget spending for the past couple of
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Speaker 3: decades and what Deloitte projects will be spent in the future.
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Speaker 4: That's the red bit there. As you can.
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Speaker 3: See It wasn't the thing before the NBN came along,
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Speaker 3: and for the most part was below ten billion dollars
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Speaker 3: a year after that, but it will explode to record
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Speaker 3: levels under Albanizi and Charmers, and this shows exactly what
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Speaker 3: that means. The federal budget is actually about twenty billion
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Speaker 3: dollars worse off a year than what Charmers will tell
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Speaker 3: you on budget night, very tricky. A large portion of
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Speaker 3: this is student loans, as you can see here, and
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Speaker 3: things like the Clean Energy Finance Corporation Snowy Hydro and
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Speaker 3: the Housing Future Fund. Now the student loan number, of
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Speaker 3: course has increased because the Albanesi government is for giving
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Speaker 3: sixteen billion dollars worth of student debt. So in effect,
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Speaker 3: the government uses this money, which isn't really counted in
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Speaker 3: the budget, to achieve populist promises to buy off voters
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Speaker 3: like writing off student debt, and to achieve policy ends like.
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Speaker 4: Funding renewable energy.
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Speaker 3: And because this money is spent directly on things or
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Speaker 3: putting money in people's hands, it is directly inflationary and
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Speaker 3: this is exactly what Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock has
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Speaker 3: warned about high government spending. Fuels inflation. Economist Chris Richardson
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Speaker 3: told the AFR that discrepancy between the underlying and headline
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Speaker 3: figures had encouraged politicians to hide their trash there.
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Speaker 4: He said, it's reached.
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Speaker 3: A point where the headline balance is now becoming the
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Speaker 3: figure that deserves more attention than the underlying figure, and that.
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Speaker 4: Is deliberately why they use the other figure.
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Speaker 3: The Center for Independent Studies also blew the whistle on
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Speaker 3: this last week in an excellent paper by former Treasury
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Speaker 3: official Gene Tunney. In his report, he says that overall,
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Speaker 3: off budget activities expand the reach of government, are bad
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Speaker 3: for transparency and new risks to government balance sheets, and
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Speaker 3: ultimately can result in lower productivity and living standards. Off
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Speaker 3: budget spending contributes to higher debt and interest payments, potentially
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Speaker 3: leading to higher taxes, which can reduce productivity and living standards.
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Speaker 3: It also may exacerbate inflation. He writes that much of
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Speaker 3: the off budget spending in recent years has been concerning,
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Speaker 3: and that it will become more common as quote a
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Speaker 3: way for politicians to appear to be responding to society's
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Speaker 3: challenges while minimizing the direct budget impact, even though they
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Speaker 3: bring significant risks onto the balance sheet. The report's conclusion
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Speaker 3: says that taxpayers suffer through underperforming sorry investments of taxpayer funds.
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Speaker 3: It is bad for accountability and transparency and makes the
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Speaker 3: RBA's monetary policy task of controlling inflation more difficult. In
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Speaker 3: other words, this off budget spending, this almost secret or
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Speaker 3: hidden spending, if you like, under the guise of investment,
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Speaker 3: makes it it's harder for you to get an interest
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Speaker 3: rate cut, all while the treasurer brags about how good
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Speaker 3: is budget numbers are.
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Speaker 5: The Albanesi Labor government has delivered a second consecutive budget surplus.
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Speaker 2: We found savings in the budget.
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Speaker 6: We delivered a second surplus.
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Speaker 7: The big improvement is from less spending.
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Speaker 4: We have turned two big.
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Speaker 5: Liberal deficits into two big labored surpluses.
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Speaker 8: Bigger surplus, delivering back to back budget surpluses for the
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Speaker 8: first time in nearly two decades.
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Speaker 3: It's easy to appear a good economic manager when you're
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Speaker 3: pulling fiscal slights of hand, and that's effectively what the
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Speaker 3: Albanzi government has mastered. I mean, they push spending off
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Speaker 3: budget to hide from you what the books actually look like.
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Speaker 3: They quote unquote reduce your power bill and the inflation
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Speaker 3: numbers in the process by giving your money that you
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Speaker 3: pay in taxes to your power company to essentially write
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Speaker 3: it off the bill. No changing cost, but it is
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Speaker 3: a change in the numbers on the piece of paper. Now,
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Speaker 3: if you're wondering why the ABC's viewership and listenership is
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Speaker 3: going through the floor, well, actually you probably do know,
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Speaker 3: because you're watching me instead of them for a reason.
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Speaker 4: But just humor me for a moment.
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Speaker 3: If you want to know why, then just listen to
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Speaker 3: its chairman Kim Williams. Today, he was asked at the
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Speaker 3: National Press Club about the Joe Rogan effect, referring to
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Speaker 3: the massive popularity the biggest podcaster in the world and
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Speaker 3: how the ABC should adapt to a modern market.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I'm the right person to respond
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Speaker 1: to that question.
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Speaker 4: I am not a.
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Speaker 1: Consumer or enthusiast about mister Rogan and his work. Shock,
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Speaker 1: I am not one of the three billion, and I'm
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Speaker 1: unlikely to be three billion and.
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Speaker 4: One anytime soon.
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Speaker 1: I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities.
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Speaker 1: They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, they pray
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Speaker 1: on all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society,
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Speaker 1: and they entrepreneur fantasy outcomes and conspiracy outcomes as being
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Speaker 1: a normal part of social narrative.
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Speaker 4: So hang on a minute.
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Speaker 3: The chairman of the National Broadcast, which has a large podcast,
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Speaker 3: refuses to listen to one of the most popular sorry
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Speaker 3: podcast hosts in the world.
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Speaker 4: I mean, has he no curiosity?
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Speaker 3: It's his job to listen to other people's products to
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Speaker 3: know whether or not his is any good. And not
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Speaker 3: that I want to be agist, but mister Williams is
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Speaker 3: seventy two. Perhaps he just hasn't quite moved with the
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Speaker 3: times to chair a media company in the modern world.
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Speaker 3: And how can he posit that Rogan is a conspiracy
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Speaker 3: theorist when he.
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Speaker 4: Doesn't even listen to him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's clearly just read what someone else has
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Speaker 3: said and taken it as gospel.
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Speaker 4: But it got worse.
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Speaker 1: I personally find it deeply repulsive, and to think that
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Speaker 1: someone has such remarkable power in the United States is
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Speaker 1: something that I look at him disbelieve. I'm also absolutely
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Speaker 1: in dismay that this can be a source of public
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Speaker 1: entertainment when it's really treating the public as plunder for
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Speaker 1: purposes that are really quite malevolent.
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Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, he just doesn't get it. Rogan has
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Speaker 3: about eleven million listeners per episode. Meanwhile, the ABC's radio
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Speaker 3: audience has been in free fall across most of the
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Speaker 3: country all year. The ABC just doesn't get it, and
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Speaker 3: it would seem they don't want to get it. Just
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Speaker 3: keep going down the same road and we'll see how
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Speaker 3: things turn out. Let's bring in now Liberal Senator Holly
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Speaker 3: Hughes's Holly welcome got it was an interesting time in
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Speaker 3: the Senate today, wasn't it. Independent Senator Olidia Thorpe we
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Speaker 3: found out this evening has been suspended from the Senate
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Speaker 3: after she tore up motion papers and she stormed out
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Speaker 3: of the chamber flipping the bird. This was after and
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Speaker 3: you could see the photograph there and there was this
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Speaker 3: extraordinary meltdown from fat Payment over Pauline Hanson's attempt to
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Speaker 3: initiate an inquiry into her eligibility to be in Parliament
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Speaker 3: due to her Afghan citizenship.
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Speaker 4: Here's a bit of how it unfolded.
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Speaker 5: Because the documentation is not good enough, it would not
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Speaker 5: be good enough for anyone else here in this place.
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Speaker 5: So why the protection racket is going on?
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Speaker 4: I don't know. If that is not racist, what is it.
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Speaker 4: Senator Hansen has worn the burker in this place. Maybe
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Speaker 4: it's time that she pack her burker and go to
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Speaker 4: Afghanistan and talk to the Talib about this. But I
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Speaker 4: kept on giving you.
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Speaker 5: The benefit of the doubt, Senator Hansen.
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Speaker 4: Despite your repetitive attempts to be racist to anyone who
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Speaker 4: does not look like you. You're not just vindictive, mean nasty.
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Speaker 4: You bring disgrace to the human race.
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Speaker 3: I think the look on the face of Ralph with
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Speaker 3: Babet sitting behind Fatima payment there just about.
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Speaker 4: Says at all.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, this would have to be one of
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Speaker 3: the most extraordinarily childish displays on the part of both
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Speaker 3: Payment and Lydia Thorpe that I have ever seen in
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Speaker 3: Australian Parliament.
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Speaker 6: So I actually feel like I need to take some
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Speaker 6: ownership here. I was on chamber duty yesterday in the
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Speaker 6: Ministerial seat when Pauline wanted to table the document with
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Speaker 6: regards to Fatima payment. It had gone to all the
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Speaker 6: whips the night before. Everyone had agreed that she would
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Speaker 6: be allowed to table these documents, which did not mean
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Speaker 6: Pauline would speak to them and Marine Feruki actually did
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Speaker 6: not give her leave, and for those not obsessed with
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Speaker 6: Senate process, any senator can deny leave to speak. So Pauline,
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Speaker 6: as she was walking out of the chamber, I said
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Speaker 6: to well, well, why didn't you suspend standing orders? And
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Speaker 6: she sort of looked at me and went, I means
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Speaker 6: I can speak to it guy, And I went, oh,
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Speaker 6: yes you can. So I kind of feel like I
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Speaker 6: need to take some ownership here.
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Speaker 4: I need to my part.
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Speaker 6: But it happened this morning, and having been someone who
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Speaker 6: was struck out of the Senate by the High Court,
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Speaker 6: mine was because apparently the election never ended in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 6: and therefore me taking a role meant that had officer
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Speaker 6: profit under the Crown, and I was neligible to stand.
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Speaker 6: There's a lot of us that have been through Section
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Speaker 6: forty fours in that place, and Senator Payment does have
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Speaker 6: some serious questions to answer. She did not take reasonable steps.
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Speaker 6: She is not written to anyone, She has not endeavored
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Speaker 6: in any official form to renounce her citizenship. But it
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Speaker 6: is actually the Greens behavior, by purely and simply vindictiveness
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Speaker 6: denying Senator Hanson from tabling documents has led to this
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Speaker 6: whole Frakka. But what happened with Senator Thought today was,
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Speaker 6: I have to say, one of the more disturbing things
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Speaker 6: I've seen. She ripped up papers in Senator Hanson's face
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Speaker 6: and then threw them in her face. Now, I actually
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Speaker 6: bumped into one of the press gallery photographers this afternoon
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Speaker 6: and I said, oh, I guess we're seeing you later
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Speaker 6: today because we knew the suspension motion was coming. But
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Speaker 6: his comment may was thank goodness someone is doing something
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Speaker 6: because the next thing she does, or the next thing
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Speaker 6: that someone does, could potentially be physical. This is not
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Speaker 6: acceptable in any workplace at all, and it is completely
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Speaker 6: unacceptable behavior. But we're talking about this tonight and the
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Speaker 6: suspension is quite a momentous occasion, and the Greens opposed it,
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Speaker 6: and I mean, it just shows their blatant hypocrisy. And
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Speaker 6: I'm reasonably confident because, like you, Caleb, I love our
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Speaker 6: sky viewers and I'm pretty sure none of them vote Green.
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Speaker 4: But I want to check the grains.
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Speaker 6: Well, they're paying for a subscription, unlike the ABC, to
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Speaker 6: watch sensible opinion. But the Greens oppose this, and they
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Speaker 6: oppose this because Saminthorpe is due to have a private
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Speaker 6: Senator's Members bill in tomorrow on the alleged genocide, but
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Speaker 6: has from what I've heard and understand, around one hundred
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Speaker 6: or more supporters coming for the Senator Members' bills. So
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Speaker 6: for those of us that know Lidiar, I think we
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Speaker 6: can safely assume there will be some form of attempted
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Speaker 6: entrance into the Senate because of this suspension. Under two
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Speaker 6: oh three of the standing orders, the black Rod is
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Speaker 6: entitled to block her entrance. Now, the black Rod is
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Speaker 6: a very big pseudo almost I mean it's the staff.
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Speaker 6: It's not a sword, but it's a big piece of gear.
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Speaker 6: The Black Rod is entitled to hold her to that
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Speaker 6: and not allow her entrance. So you know, who knows.
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Speaker 6: Maybe she sets a fire up into the entrance to
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Speaker 6: the chamber. I mean, it's just just don't know.
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Speaker 4: No, no, you do not know this. It will be extraordinary.
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Speaker 6: See tomorrow night, the conversation will be about what happens tomorrow. Yes,
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Speaker 6: I cannot imagine Lydia is going to let this sniby.
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Speaker 3: And look, we know what Lydia Thorpe is like, the
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Speaker 3: fact that she's even still there is just incredible. Holly Hughes,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: I know it might sound a bit like saying the
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Speaker 3: sky is blue, but and you Redbridge Pole has found
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Speaker 3: that Australians say the Albanezy government has the wrong priorities
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Speaker 3: and that they are no better off since the PM
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Speaker 3: was elected. And for the first time, this poll says
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Speaker 3: that the majority of people think Peter Dutton is ready
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Speaker 3: to lead the country, which is well up from being
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Speaker 3: twenty points behind a year ago. To discuss this and more,
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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
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Speaker 3: Kroger and Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave. Michael, I think
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Speaker 3: we all sort of had this in the back of
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Speaker 3: our heads, certainly those of us here, all three of
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Speaker 3: us certainly would have thought this, But we have it
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Speaker 3: in black and white now that the majority of Australians
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Speaker 3: know and feel that they have gone backwards under this government.
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Speaker 8: Well, there are eerie similarities between the political dynamic of
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Speaker 8: play in Australia and that in America. There are some
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Speaker 8: obvious differences, of course, which we all know, but there
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Speaker 8: are some serious parallels. And what Albanezi doesn't understand what
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Speaker 8: these cosmopolitan inner city elites, these rootless cosmopolitans as they
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Speaker 8: call them, the wealthy upper class, left wing elite here
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Speaker 8: in America don't understand is that the working middle class,
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Speaker 8: the working class are actually very proud people, and they're
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Speaker 8: very proud of their achievements. They're interested in personal security,
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Speaker 8: which is their job, providing for their family, roof overhead
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Speaker 8: for the kids, contributing to their community. And these people
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Speaker 8: are proud and they don't want to be lectured to
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Speaker 8: by Albanesi that they're dumb people without an education. You
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Speaker 8: haven't got a university degree, Oh my goodness. You know,
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Speaker 8: you don't go to the arts festivals, you don't watch
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Speaker 8: the ABC, et cetera, et cetera. And for as long
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Speaker 8: as Albo has lost the plot completely, which he has,
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Speaker 8: and as part of the inner city, you know, Cambric
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Speaker 8: Literati Labour's fortunes will continue to decline. And as I said,
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Speaker 8: for weeks now, I think Dutton's favorite to win the election,
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Speaker 8: and I think people are very comfortable with Peter Dutton
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Speaker 8: coming in as prime minister.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this is the thing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people have criticized Dutton for
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Speaker 3: a long time for not being personable enough, and oh
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Speaker 3: you know, people think he's bold and mortonal.
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Speaker 4: This sort of nonsense.
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Speaker 3: And I have said for some time Gary that you
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Speaker 3: just give him time and he will come into his
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Speaker 3: own and people will compare him to Albanesi, and I'll go, Actually,
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Speaker 3: this bloke looks like, sounds like, acts like a leader,
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Speaker 3: and I think people have realized that now.
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Speaker 7: I've known Peter Dutton for thirty five years of it.
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Speaker 7: As far as I'm concerned, he's very personable bloke, a
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Speaker 7: really terrific sense of humor. You know, he's just he's
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Speaker 7: really very down to earth, although amazingly tall and look.
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Speaker 7: I think the guy the times will suit him. And
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Speaker 7: the point is that Peter is a bloke who's are
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Speaker 7: chieved things, but he doesn't act as though he is
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Speaker 7: morally and intellectually superior to everybody else. And that is
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Speaker 7: really the type of people Michael's just talking about. They
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Speaker 7: believe they are morally and intellectually superior to everybody else,
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Speaker 7: and they lauded over us. They think that the smartest
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Speaker 7: people in every room. Peter is a bloke who enters
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Speaker 7: the room and wants to meet people, wants to listen
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Speaker 7: to them, actually wants to relate to them, who actually
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Speaker 7: sticks up for the trades, in the everyday doers. And
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Speaker 7: that's the sort of person I want as a Prime minister.
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Speaker 7: I reckon a lot more Australians are warming to that
18:50
Speaker 7: idea on an hourly basis for exting.
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Speaker 4: Now, this is interesting.
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Speaker 3: The Sydney Morning Herald was reporting today that environment are
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Speaker 3: Environment Minister, sorry Tanya Plibasic, about to secure a deal
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Speaker 3: with the Greens last night to establish a federal environmental
19:05
Speaker 3: protection agency. This was of course a promise that Labor
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Speaker 3: made before the election, but the PM intervened at the
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Speaker 3: last minute and canceled the deal because he was apparently
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Speaker 3: worried it had given too much rope to the Greens
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Speaker 3: and it had turned into an election issue next year.
19:19
Speaker 3: And they'd apparently been so confident of a deal that
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Speaker 3: journo's had been briefed to expect an announcement last night,
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Speaker 3: but at the last minute Michael Albow comes through and
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Speaker 3: says it's not happening.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, amazing, But again, this is all about politics. This
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Speaker 8: is all about seats in Western Australia. It's got nothing
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Speaker 8: to do with the principle. He's been in favor of
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Speaker 8: this principle four years now. He ran for election on
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Speaker 8: this policy, but as soon as his pulses tell him
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Speaker 8: there are seats at risk in Western Australia because of this,
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Speaker 8: he'll lose three or four seats in WA. He's rung
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Speaker 8: up and junk the policy. But this is typical of Albow.
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Speaker 8: There's no great principles involved in any more. Or everything's
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Speaker 8: about politics, as we see from the disgusting display he's
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Speaker 8: put on in relation to the Jewish community in Western
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Speaker 8: said to win seats in Western Sydney. It's one of
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Speaker 8: the other reasons why people have lost people have lost
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Speaker 8: confidence in this blake.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, most definitely.
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Speaker 3: Now when I read this story after say, I nearly
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Speaker 3: fell off my chair. The former Victorian CFM you boss
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Speaker 3: John Seeker, He's launched a worker's compo, claim saying that
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Speaker 3: he's suffering from PTSD from running the Construction Union Gary.
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Speaker 3: He says that there's a number of things that led
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Speaker 3: to this. He received death threats apparently in the job.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, for heaven's sake, you're running the CFMU,
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Speaker 3: which we all know is full of thugs, So what
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Speaker 3: did you expect? He said when they had that big
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Speaker 3: protest out the front of the CFMU office when he
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Speaker 3: wouldn't back in construction workers against vaccine mandates that that
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Speaker 3: contributed to his PTSD. I mean, could the CFMU story
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Speaker 3: get any better?
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Speaker 7: Gary Well, I'm so sorry that he's having a metal
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Speaker 7: health crisis, but think of the one that the CFMU
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Speaker 7: is inflicted upon every day Australians. The cost of building's
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Speaker 7: gone up thirty forty percent. They've wrought at every building
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Speaker 7: site they've been on. As far as I'm concerned, under
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Speaker 7: the guys of safety, it's back to the sort of
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Speaker 7: staff that the late warre Perry is to report on
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Speaker 7: in his Wrought report. I mean the nineteen eighty seven
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Speaker 7: Wrought report. I'll never forget the Darling Harbor project was
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Speaker 7: in full swing and the people on the work sites
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Speaker 7: were smelling Chinese food coming out of Chinatown in Sydney
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Speaker 7: and they got and they were awarded a dim sim allowance,
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Speaker 7: Caleb because of the smell that got them back to work.
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Speaker 7: This is the sort of stuff that's ruined Australia's ability
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Speaker 7: to make anything anywhere. And Setka, I'm so sorry he's
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Speaker 7: having mental health issues because that's a serious claim. I
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Speaker 7: wish him well in his bid, but it seems like
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Speaker 7: money fixes everything in the CFMEU. So good on him.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, you are correct. If it is indeed true,
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Speaker 3: then then we wish him the best. But you've given
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Speaker 3: me an idea.
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Speaker 4: Gary.
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Speaker 3: There's a KFC down the road from our studios here
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Speaker 3: and I sometimes smell it.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to get a KFC.
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Speaker 3: Alow, let's bark of Roger, Gary yard Grave, thank you
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Speaker 3: so much to me.
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Speaker 4: It's still to come.
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Speaker 3: The truth between Israel and Hesbla has begun with hopes
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Speaker 3: for lasting calm in the Middle East. But what happens
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Speaker 3: next that story after the break.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: Israel had a major win today with a cease fire
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Speaker 3: deal negotiated with Hesbla in Lebanon, who they've been at
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Speaker 3: war with for nearly two months now. It means that
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Speaker 3: over sixty days, Lebanese forces will move into the south
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Speaker 3: and Israeli forces will pull out of the South and
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Speaker 3: go back to Israel, and Hezbela will have to move
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Speaker 3: north of the Latani River, which is what they were
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Speaker 3: meant to have done back in two thousand and six.
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Speaker 3: In a joint statement, the US and France said the
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Speaker 3: agreement would cease fighting in Lebanon and secure Israel from
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Speaker 3: the threat of Hezbala and other terrorist organizations. Foreign Minister
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Speaker 3: Penny Wong welcome the news today.
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Speaker 2: The people of Lebanon will welcome this cease far, the
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Speaker 2: people of Israel will welcome this seas far. What I
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Speaker 2: would say is that we hope that this is a
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Speaker 2: catalyst for a broader cease far in the region and
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Speaker 2: we look forward to the day when there is a
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Speaker 2: ceasefire two in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Joining me to discuss is the Executive Council of Australian
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Speaker 3: Jury co CEO Peter Wertheim. Peter, what difference will this
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Speaker 3: make to the broader war?
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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, it will isolate Hummas. There's no
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Speaker 5: doubt that what's left of Hamas will be just left
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Speaker 5: to deal with the situation that they've created in Gaza
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Speaker 5: by themselves. The original hope that they had of drawing
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Speaker 5: Hezbalara and ultimately he Ran into the war has failed
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Speaker 5: as a strategy, and I think this whole ceasefire agreement
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Speaker 5: just underlines the entire futility of the war that Hamas
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Speaker 5: started on October the seventh in the South and the
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Speaker 5: war that Hesbella started against Israel on October the eighth.
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Speaker 4: In the north.
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Speaker 5: They didn't have to do that. You know, there were
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Speaker 5: ceasefires in effect on both fronts, and they chose. The
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Speaker 5: leaders of Hamas and the leaders of Hesbela chose to
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Speaker 5: break that ceasefire and launch wars against Israel from those fronts.
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Speaker 5: It was not a decision that was forced on them.
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Speaker 5: And now those leaders are dead, as are their deputies,
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Speaker 5: and there's been untold deaths, enormous numbers of people displaced
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Speaker 5: in the South and the North, and all for what.
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Speaker 5: This is a result that could have been achieved in
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Speaker 5: two thousand and six, as you point about in your introduction.
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Speaker 3: Exactly we've only got a minute Togo, Peter, but you
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Speaker 3: know what they've essentially achieved. He is what a lot
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Speaker 3: of people said wouldn't happen or couldn't happen, which is
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Speaker 3: the best outcome. Hezbollah has been pushed back, which is
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Speaker 3: good not only for Israel, but it's good for the
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Speaker 3: people of Lebanon.
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Speaker 5: Yes, it is because Hesbela has lost a lot of
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Speaker 5: supporting recent years in Lebanon because of their complete ruination
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Speaker 5: of the country economically. So it is good news for
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Speaker 5: the Lebanese as well as for the Israelis. But make
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Speaker 5: no mistake, HESBLA is down but not out. They will
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Speaker 5: use whatever time is available to them once they withdraw,
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Speaker 5: to regroup, to rearm. And you know, the Foreign Minister
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Speaker 5: has talked about a widening truce. I understand why she's
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Speaker 5: doing that, but why can't there be, for heaven's sake,
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Speaker 5: a call from Australia's Foreign minister for peace. It's it's
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Speaker 5: you know, we've had truces of plenty in the past
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Speaker 5: and they don't last.
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Speaker 3: I know, it's we need to move on. Peter, thank
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Speaker 3: you so much for your time. That's it from me.
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Speaker 3: Sharry'll be back tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: I'd o' clock up now. The great Man Paul Murray