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Call It Love | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 110 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  Speaking of nothing happening, we're going to review Call it
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  Love and. Jess.
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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles.
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  We're a couple of friends review Korean dramas and we are back
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  for another K drama review. And today I am joined by my good
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  friend Naz from the Swoon Diaries podcast.
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  How are you, Naz? I'm good.
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  How are you, Jess? I am excellent.
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  I told you that I'm going to go see Michael later today.
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  I'm going to go see Devil Wears Prada 2 today.
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  And then I washed my car and I was pumping Michael.
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  And actually when we got on, we were we went on a an extensive
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  tangent about Michael and the movie and you know, where where
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  were you when he died? Like this whole thing.
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  So if you are interested, you can listen to that BTS on the
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  Patreon feed. Nas, the last time you were here
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  was for that winter The Wind Blows and before that you were
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  on the double train to usan an Autumn in My Heart episodes.
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  And it's been a minute actually since you've been here.
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  So let's do a quick K catch up. What have you been watching
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  lately? What are you loving lately?
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  Yes, so I'm currently watching Perfect Crown which I'm loving.
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  You love it, OK. Yes, I'm a few episodes behind,
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  but I really, really like it so far.
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  So that's all I've been watching so far.
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  I haven't been watching too much.
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  I've been so busy. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Perfect Crown is like my main show.
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  I've been, I've been watching. Of course I watched.
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  I finished Bloodhounds a few weeks ago and that was great.
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  Okay, blood Honey loves that too.
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  Yes, okay, love that. So yeah, that's why I've been up
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  to perfect. Crown man, I heard some mixed
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  things about that show and a lot of people and not just like
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  people that I DM regularly and that are friends.
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  I'm looking at people that I follow and they're like, this is
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  so boring and I'm like, Oh no, because I love to be proven
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  wrong. I want to be proven wrong.
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  I told I think it was on Liliana's tea and Soju when we
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  did our pursuit of jade review. I was like, I got the ick on one
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  of the promo videos that came out for perfect crown and ever
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  since then I'm like, I don't know about the show.
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  You know, I this is personal, right?
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  Like only people that ask get to get to background info.
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  I, I'm like, I want to be proven wrong.
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  I want it to be good. Hopefully it gets even better
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  than it already hopefully is. And that's all I'll say about
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  that. That's all I'll say.
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  About that I hope so cuz I'm I'm literally on episode 3 so I'm a
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  few episodes behind, but so far I'm really enjoying it.
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  So we'll see and I think I don't know they just look so good
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  together and it's just nice having like a regular kind of
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  like romance. So yeah hopefully it's enjoyable
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  and I don't find it boring, but we'll see.
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  Oh I forgot to add I'm also watching Yumi sells 3 which I
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  which I find very boring. Oh.
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  My. God that show was so boring.
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  I don't I literally don't like that show really but I have to
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  finish out the the arc but like I find that show so monotonous
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  so. I've found God.
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  What had happened was I watched Yumi Style Season 1 back in the
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  day and I think there's a review, a written blog review on
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  the website on tabakkramblescom. It's fine, right?
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  Like it, it was fine. I don't think it warmed its way
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  into my heart like that it did for other people.
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  Right. I am of the minority in that I
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  don't care for all of the cells. I I skipped the cell seems.
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  Girl, every time the cells come up, I'm like God, like it's such
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  a hassle to me to sit through the cell stuff.
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  And very few of those scenes really hit for me.
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  And I know that that's I'm in the minority on that.
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  People really think the cells are cute and then season 2 rolls
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  around and I'm like oh Dang, like here we freaking go
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  multiple seasons of the Simi Sells nonsense.
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  So I start season 2, I think I get about halfway and it's you.
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  You Bobby is the name of the male lead in that show and Jinya
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  from Got some It's almost. Like he was the highlight.
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  He got me through that season. Girl.
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  So I think it was like they had this kiss scene in the car and
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  it was really steamy and I was like hell yeah.
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  I stopped watching right after that.
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  Like he had this moment. I think I maybe I watch a little
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  bit more like 1 episode or something.
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  He got kind of, how should I put it?
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  He wavered is how they say in The Cave drama.
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  It was like he got sidetracked from you, me and I.
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  He got caught up. I dropped that shit like a bag
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  of hot nickels. I, I was like, we don't need to
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  be here anymore. So I drop Yumi Cells season 2
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  and I didn't, I can't even say that it was intentional.
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  I was like, OK and just moved on with my life.
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  You know what I'm saying? Some drops just happen really
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  organically. And then lo and behold, season 3
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  comes out and I'm like, Oh my God, it just won't end.
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  So that is my history with Yumi Cells.
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  I have not pressed play on Season 3.
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  I don't know how King Golan isn't tired of it.
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  Yeah, but I don't either. I I watched the 1st 2 episodes
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  and I was just like when I tell you nothing happened, nothing
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  happened and my 2 was only 8 episodes.
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  So I'm like, why isn't anything happening?
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  I know, I know. It's it's like OK, if I'm
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  signing up for an 8 episode K drama, I think the plot's gonna.
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  Move. Yeah, yeah.
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  I'm just shaking my head. I'm just trying to throw you
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  myself. Anyway, Long story short, you're
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  watching Yumi cells maybe? Yes, maybe it's against my will.
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  I have to, I have to finish it because this is the last season
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  and I'm like. No, let me just finish it.
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  People keep promising that this is the last season.
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  Oh, there's one more guy. Oh, this is an end game.
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  This guy's an end game. And I'm like, what?
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  What? I thought he was end game.
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  So if this is not the end, I'm OK.
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  I I thought that he was the end. Maybe they were hugging and
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  puffing in a car right now. What do you mean he's not end
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  game? Anyway, Speaking of nothing
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  happening, we're going to review, Call It Love.
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  And so call it love. But before we do it, this is
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  watcher too. Thank you guys so much for
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  supporting the show. OK, so not to already start
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  digging. I don't mean to be.
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  Mean about call it love. And that's that's not the extent
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  of my thoughts either. I was just making a a joke.
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  But we're going to talk about call it love and I will kick us
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  off for this non spoiler section with the Wikipedia synopsis,
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  which is blessedly simple. I thought the Asian Wiki
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  synopsis and the My Drama list synopsis were like in.
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  I was like, did someone illiterate write this?
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  So anyway, here's the Wikipedia synopsis.
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  It is a romantic melodrama about a woman whose life goes downhill
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  after finding out about her father's affair and falling in
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  love with his mistress's son. OK, this aired from February to
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  April 2023, so it's three years old and it is 16 episodes long,
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  the traditional length. We have two directors listed in
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  Asian wiki for this drama, Kim Dion and EE Kwong Young.
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  I believe Kim Dion might have been the Co director and the
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  other screenwriter. So there's that.
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  I have no info on Kim Dion really.
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  There's it's like a black hole for me.
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  Maybe if I was on AVPN and I can look them up as if I was in
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  Korea there'd be more, but I don't have much on them.
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  E Kwong Yong, this is a female director and she has most
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  recently directed Idol Eye from 2025.
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  I heard some nice things about Idol Eye Chunhua love story.
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  No thank you. Seasons 1 and 2.
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  Secret life of my secretary from 2019.
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  Judge versus Judge. Have you seen this director's
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  stuff before? I've seen Idol Eye.
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  It was cute. It was cute, like low stakes.
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  I enjoyed it OK. And I've heard of The Secret
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  Life of my Secretary, which I really wanted to watch after I
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  saw our male lead, Kim Young Kwong because I was like, I love
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  him. I want to see his shows and I
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  feel like a cute little workplace romance situation.
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  I and I love the CEO the boss trope thing so I was like I need
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  to watch that. Yes, you like office romances.
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  That makes so much sense. OK so call it Love was written
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  by King Gun. I have never heard of this
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  screenwriter before and there is literally nothing but Call It
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  love to her name. So for all intense purposes, I
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  understand that this is her very first K drama that she's
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  written. So good for King Gun.
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  This show stars Kim Yong Kwan. He is Han Dong Jin.
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  He's our male lead in the show. He's been in about 8 movies and
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  27 TV shows. Yeah, the movies.
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  He's most recently been in The First Ride from 2025.
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  He's been in On Your Wedding Day from 2018.
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  He won best new actor at the Pick Song Awards for that role.
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  And then for television shows, you know, he's been in stuff
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  since like, late 2000s, early 2010's stuff like Love Rain from
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  2012. I literally have told you about
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  the show multiple times where it's Walk with Me, it's Yuna
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  playing two roles because the parents like she falls in love
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  with this guy and then they can't make it work.
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  And then Yuna's character has a child and the child grows up and
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  it's it's Yuna again. So it's basically like a When
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  Life gives You Tangerines situation where Yuna's playing
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  both mother and daughter and their children fall in love with
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  each other. Great.
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  Your favorite? So so that's Love Rain.
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  He's also in Can We Get Married from 20/12/2013.
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  I vividly remember watching episode 1 and 2 of Can We Get
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  Married and I ended up dropping it because Tong Somen was so
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  insufferable in that. Show man, you can.
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  Yeah, and then Sung Dune is also in Can We Get Married?
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  So he's the he plays the Second Mile beat in the show.
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  He's also in that show. So they've starred in the same
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  show together back in 20/12/2013.
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  This actors been in good Doctor Pinocchio, Room number 9, Secret
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  Life of my Secretary, which you just mentioned somebody from
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  Netflix. I think the only thing that I
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  would two things that I would want to still watch from him are
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  somebody from Netflix in 2022 and Trigger from Netflix in
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  2025. Those are the two shows and I'm
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  like I'm kind of intrigued. I'll press play on those.
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  I think he plays a serial killer and somebody and there's like
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  some spicy scenes. It's kind of weird.
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  I'm like, yeah, I can. Maybe we're on spooky season.
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  I can press play on somebody. But anyway, you have mentioned
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  that you want to see him in The Secret Life of My Secretary.
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  What else have you seen him in? I think it's just call it love
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  and then I have Trigger on my list and then I want to watch
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  Secret Life of My Secretary. And also I know that he was in
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  On Your Wedding Day, which is also my list of a movie I want
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  to watch. But yeah, this is like my first
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  and only work I've seen him in. Yeah, so for me, I hadn't seen
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  him in a long time, hadn't seen him in a few years, and he was
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  not kind of the the lead of anything.
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  So I was very intrigued to see him in this show and he totally
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  blew me away. He was so good in it totally.
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  Blew me away in the show. He was amazing.
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  In Call of Love, his Co star is EI Sung Kyong.
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  She plays Shimuju, the female lead.
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  She is the weightlifting fairy herself.
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  She's been in 17 TV shows, and we've covered two of them.
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  It's all right. That's Love from 2014 was one of
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  the first things that she was ever in.
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  And we've also covered weightlifting fairy Kimmel Chu,
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  which you and Ori are on that episode review.
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  So we've covered weightlifting very to be quite honest with
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  you, I've really rarely press play on something from this
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  actress, right? Yisong Keung.
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  She's kind of a drama face from yesteryear to me, even though
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  she's sort of been like consistently working every other
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  year basically since the mid twenty 10s.
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  What's your experience with her? What have you seen her in?
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  As you mentioned Weightlifting Fairy, which I loved her in, I
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  saw her and she's in the trap. I think that was the first time
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  I saw her. Yes, and who?
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  OK. Or character and you know.
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  She's a hot mess. Screaming.
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  She's a hot mess, She's unstable, unlikable, all the
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  things, but she's. Loud, you know.
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  Yeah, and I also saw her and it's all right.
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  That's love as well. I thought.
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  I think I watched like 10 or 11 episodes of that show, which I
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  need to go back to finish, but definitely.
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  Yeah. But like with those three shows,
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  I feel like you kind of get this chaotic energy from all of those
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  roles. 100%. Very loud, chaotic, just all
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  over the place. And so this was the first time I
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  saw her in a role that was like very subdued, subdued, like
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  honestly depressed. And I was like, OK, like.
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  And so it was really cool seeing her range.
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  But I've always really liked her as an actress.
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  I felt like whenever she was in the show, I really enjoyed it.
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  I also started in your Radiance season, which I need to go back
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  and finish. Yeah.
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  So yeah. But I really I I enjoy her and I
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  have the the drama About Time on my never ending watch list.
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  Yeah, I got like to watch that same issue.
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  The watch list is miles long, but and I only have so many
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  hours in the day. But I agree with you.
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  I like her, but I never really like absolutely loved her in in
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  anything. I didn't quite consider her an
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  an actress. That sounds weird to say, but
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  she's a model turned actress. I always consider her a model
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  first, and she sort of maintains this mystique about her, about
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  her personal life. She's not very active on social
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  media and stuff. And so I really appreciate that
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  she's a very private person and I think that's the way to go.
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  Like if you want to be an actor or an actress especially, I
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  don't need to see every little bit about your life because then
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  I don't believe you later. Exactly.
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  When you're trying to convince me that you're somebody else,
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  you know? So I think it was around
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  20/20/18. She did About Time and I
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  remember seeing the promo for that and I was like, oh, that's
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  way different than anything that she's done before that.
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  And I was kind of surprised that it was so mellow, like the tone
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  of it and everything. And I never ended up watching
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  About Time, but that around that time was when she sort of made a
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  conscious switch right to do other kinds of roles.
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  And I remember Shooting Stars came out in 22 and people were
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  bitching about that show. There was stuff that people
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  didn't like about that show. And so I never prioritized it at
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  all. Didn't press play Doctor
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  Romantic 3. She's been in all three seasons
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  of Doctor Romantic. I cannot.
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  Stand medical shows. Oh, really, I need to watch
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  that. OK, I don't think I've seen a
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  medical K drama Oh word than Doctor Cha.
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  But I think I've seen like a real like a like intense medical
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  drama like the hospital playlist or something like that.
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  Oh, OK, yeah, I'm not a I'm not big on medical shows.
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  So I watched a few early on and I just avoid them now.
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  So I've never watched any doctor romantic show.
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  And then the nice guy in 2025 in your Radian season just from
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  this year. I, again, don't have any pull
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  obligation, nothing to watch those shows.
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  Call it love really came on the radar because of you.
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  And that's why I'm so happy that you're here.
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  Because when 2023 rolled around and you were doing your coverage
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  and you said you were singing its praises, I was like, whoa,
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  is there something to call it love?
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  Is there something to this? Should I dig a little deeper?
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  And now we're here. Three years later, I know.
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  Finally. The time goes by so fast.
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  Yeah, the time. Where does the time go?
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  And I'm actually so glad that I did watch Call It Love.
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  It feels like a spiritual cousin to my Mr. or my liberation
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  notes. And if you're into that vibe,
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  this like slow, melancholic slice of life, mostly
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  melodramatic, this is a show for you. 100% watch Call It Love.
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  And I will say I Yeah. And I was surprised that none of
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  those people that did those shows are involved and Call It
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  Love. Yeah, I thought that was
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  surprising. But the other people that I want
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  to point out is Sung June. We already mentioned him.
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  He plays Yunjin, the second male lead.
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  And I will say this is a weird feeling, but I watched him in a
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  bunch of stuff early on when I first started watching K dramas.
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  He was in the very first K drama I ever watched, Lie to Me from
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  2011. He was in one of my favorite,
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  favorite musical K drama, Shut Up Flower Boy Band from 2012.
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  Absolutely love that show. I need to re watch it because
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  I've only watched it the one time, but it left such an
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  impression on me. He was obviously in Can We Get
• 18:56
  Married, which I dropped Goo family book from 2013.
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  I watched all of these like almost within a couple of years,
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  right? Yeah.
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  And then I never saw him again. Never saw him again.
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  And so when I see him on my screen for Call It Love as the
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  second male lead, I don't know, it was a weird feeling.
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  I was like, so comforted to see him again.
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  I don't know if you've ever felt that way about seeing an actor
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  or an actress that you used to watch and now you're getting
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  reintroduced to them. You're just like.
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  Where? Have you been friend?
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  Like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
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  And he's been around. I just haven't been watching
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  him. He was in Can This Love Be
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  Translated earlier this year. He's also in Perfect Crown.
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  You're watching him now. Yes, right.
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  So he's like he's having a renaissance right now.
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  He's having a small. Renaissance, he's back, he's in
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  some hot shows and I loved seeing him and I loved his role
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  in Call it Love as a second male lead.
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  I thought, I thought he was all the characters were just so
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  well-rounded and complete, you know?
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  Yes, yes. And I would love to hear your
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  thoughts on Call It Love. I know you have a deep dive from
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  2023 on your feed. But what are your thoughts on
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  Call It Love? So this show is right down my
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  alley. I love really really slow, like
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  melancholic dramas. So I love my liberation notes
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  and dramas like that. And I was actually, was I on
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  your podcast for yes, yes, my liberation notes.
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  Did Yes. Yes.
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  Yes. So if you want to listen to
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  that, you can, but. Yes, such a great show.
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  But so yeah, I was like, this is right down my alley.
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  Loved. You know, I hadn't seen the male
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  lead, but I I was a fan of Isan Kyong, so I was really excited
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  about it. I thought the premise was
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  obviously very juicy and interesting.
• 20:46
  And I loved it from the first episode because you see that we
• 20:49
  just have this family that's very broken.
• 20:52
  And Isan Kyong's character was extremely broken and I was just
• 20:55
  really interested to see like how this healing would take
• 20:58
  place and also how this romance would take place because it's
• 21:01
  starting off as honestly kind of like revenge in a way, cuz she's
• 21:04
  like, I need to ruin this guy's life because his mom ruined my
• 21:08
  life. But yeah, I thought the acting
• 21:10
  was beautiful. I loved the dynamic between the
• 21:12
  siblings. I love how slow the romance
• 21:15
  progressed because I love slow birds.
• 21:18
  So it was so good and I just thought it was really beautiful
• 21:21
  and I felt that this like they it just has this like message of
• 21:24
  forgiveness and healing that kind of like goes throughout the
• 21:26
  show that I really, really enjoyed.
• 21:29
  So like, I adore this show. I think about it fondly.
• 21:32
  I used to watch it like again fully because like just and take
• 21:36
  my time with it because I just I love the watching experience.
• 21:40
  Yeah, the way that I came at this, and it came at a really
• 21:44
  good time because not that I was in a slump, but I was just in
• 21:49
  the mood definitely to watch something a little more tender,
• 21:52
  a little more slow. And this, as soon as I press
• 21:57
  play on this, I was like, absolutely.
• 22:00
  Like this is right where I want to be and I love when a show
• 22:03
  hits you like just at the right time because you know, you could
• 22:06
  press play on something and be like, I don't feel like watching
• 22:08
  this right now. I feel like watching like
• 22:09
  whatever. And this is not a ROM com.
• 22:12
  This is not light. This is not fluffy.
• 22:15
  This is quite contemplative. This is quite slow.
• 22:19
  Like you said, it's definitely a slow burn.
• 22:21
  If you're looking for skin ship and every other episode kissing
• 22:25
  and every other episode, like, sorry, no, babe, that's not
• 22:27
  this. It's definitely a melodrama and
• 22:31
  I didn't know it was a melodrama.
• 22:32
  I really didn't read much up on Call it Love.
• 22:35
  I just knew it's some kind of romance.
• 22:38
  I didn't know anything about the premise.
• 22:39
  I didn't know that she was like after this guy's ass for this
• 22:43
  really weird revenge. And in reading the synopsis,
• 22:49
  like you can tell this has a classic K drama irony to it.
• 22:54
  Like, that premise is classic, you know, they love to tell
• 22:58
  stories that it's like an ironic love, you know, And I was sort
• 23:04
  of unprepared for the drama and how it sort of sticks to your
• 23:08
  bones a little bit. It's quite, it's a weird revenge
• 23:13
  story and it's told so tenderly. The thesis is beautiful.
• 23:19
  They kind of bring it forward in episode 1 where you hear this
• 23:24
  radio DJ talking about seeing somebody from behind and, you
• 23:29
  know, witnessing their lonely shadow.
• 23:31
  Basically pitying people is the best medicine for forgiving or
• 23:34
  understanding others. And I think the direct quote is
• 23:36
  to understand the loneliness of others.
• 23:38
  For me, that's the beginning of love.
• 23:42
  Beautiful, sensitive words that are truly the thesis of the
• 23:47
  whole show that like you, really.
• 23:48
  It's almost like a love story for empaths.
• 23:52
  Yeah, yeah. You know.
• 23:54
  That you might selfishly be looking at your own situation,
• 23:58
  your own pain, your own, you know, revenge.
• 24:01
  But other people are also suffering and going through
• 24:04
  their own pain. And if you just take a beat and
• 24:08
  look at them and the fact that this show really does commit to
• 24:11
  this bit, commit to this premise, this thesis.
• 24:15
  And so many shots are of the characters from behind, walking
• 24:19
  down the street from behind. And there is the way that
• 24:22
  they're walking and the way that the performances are sort of
• 24:25
  physical in that the way they carry their shoulders, are
• 24:28
  slumped their shoulders and, you know, swinging their arms.
• 24:32
  Everything about how they're carrying themselves is sad, is
• 24:37
  difficult, in some way painful. And they're so lonely.
• 24:41
  Everybody in the show is just so lonely.
• 24:44
  And you want the best for them. You want them to cross this
• 24:48
  mental hurdle and win over these emotional stakes.
• 24:53
  Cause again, the irony is runs very deep in their relationship.
• 24:58
  And I found this show completely underrated.
• 25:00
  I would love for more people to watch Call It Love get in on
• 25:05
  this because if you love those like slow intentional romances
• 25:10
  that feel quite meaningful and poignant, this is your bag.
• 25:14
  Like watch Call it love for sure.
• 25:17
  Yes please. I want to bring up the fact that
• 25:20
  you hated that winter. The wind blows.
• 25:24
  I sure did. You hated it.
• 25:26
  You hated it, Gus. There was nothing good you could
• 25:29
  say about that show. And here's the thing, you really
• 25:33
  went in on the Fosest on that. It just, I could not get past
• 25:37
  that. I was like, this is so terrible.
• 25:40
  And it mind you, they're not blood related.
• 25:42
  It's was not in any way insidious, but it was Fosest as
• 25:47
  I coined this show. Also Fosest.
• 25:51
  I want to argue. OK.
• 25:54
  Talk to me about this one. How is this one OK and the the
• 25:57
  other fosest is not? How?
• 26:02
  So this is, and I have seen this in other K dramas, right, where
• 26:08
  you can't fall in love with basically what is perceived as a
• 26:12
  step sibling. OK, this is a step.
• 26:15
  It was a step sibling. You're like, I don't know,
• 26:18
  you're already shaking your head.
• 26:21
  He, he was the son of the mistress.
• 26:25
  The mistress and her biological father were married for like 13
• 26:29
  years together. But she was never in the same
• 26:31
  house as this boy. See.
• 26:33
  They didn't grow. There's all these technicalities
• 26:35
  now. There's all these technicalities
• 26:37
  now. Like, no, they didn't grow up
• 26:38
  together. They weren't living together.
• 26:41
  They had nothing to do with each other.
• 26:42
  They've been like he. Left and had a whole different
• 26:44
  life with this lady. Like never crossed paths with
• 26:46
  this guy. Like no, no, wow no.
• 26:51
  Wow, so you're like it's not even fo sessed.
• 26:55
  It's not, and especially because the dad, the dad passes away, so
• 26:59
  it's like the marriage is done. You're like the connection is
• 27:02
  severed. Yeah, the connection is not
• 27:03
  even. So it's like if he's not, he's
• 27:05
  definitely not a step sibling now and again.
• 27:08
  Like I feel like for her, it's like out of sight, out of mind.
• 27:10
  It's like I never saw, I never saw this guy.
• 27:13
  Like I know like my dad's wife had, my dad's wife had a son,
• 27:17
  but like this person doesn't mean anything to me.
• 27:21
  OK, second second thing I want to bring up is should this
• 27:26
  mother, and I do mean he JA, the mistress, we'll call her the
• 27:30
  mistress for the rest of this episode.
• 27:33
  Should she be entered into the pantheon of worst K drama
• 27:36
  mothers? Absolutely a. 100% in my I was.
• 27:39
  Like oh shit she's horrible. No, she's literally a demon.
• 27:43
  No, she's menace to society. No literally.
• 27:45
  And honestly I feel like she got off way too easy.
• 27:48
  Let's well, we'll talk about it in the spoiler section, I guess.
• 27:51
  Yeah, but I agree. I agree.
• 27:53
  She got let off so easy. Yeah.
• 27:57
  No, she belongs in that group with the worst.
• 27:59
  What would you have done? What would you have done?
• 28:03
  Would you have press charges? And we're, we're dancing around
• 28:06
  what she did. Yeah.
• 28:07
  Would you have press criminal charges?
• 28:10
  Or she belongs in prison. OK.
• 28:12
  That's what that period, period. Yes, you belong in prison.
• 28:16
  You broke you like you broke the law and ruined our lives.
• 28:19
  Like no. And you know what?
• 28:21
  I'll go. I'll do you one better.
• 28:23
  The revenge. Which we're not gonna say
• 28:26
  exactly. Like how she was planning this
• 28:28
  revenge. Yeah.
• 28:29
  I thought she should have gone further.
• 28:33
  I was like, oh, she's not even trying.
• 28:35
  No at all at all. Like, she's not even trying.
• 28:41
  I not saying that I would do something criminal.
• 28:46
  Yeah, but I'm not saying I wouldn't.
• 28:53
  What I'm saying is she did not. She didn't commit.
• 28:59
  No, not at all. Like it's just.
• 29:02
  She didn't commit, 'cause if this whole situation happened to
• 29:05
  me, I would raise hell. Yeah.
• 29:10
  I would raise hell. And another thing, those kids,
• 29:13
  the three siblings, they're stupid as hell.
• 29:18
  They're stupid because what do you mean you didn't check with
• 29:21
  nobody? Right, like they just like like,
• 29:24
  oh, just took a word for it and they're like oh, OK, no, no,
• 29:28
  guess we got to leave. And it's like, no, they're.
• 29:31
  Consulting a bunch of lawyers, like they're going on a
• 29:34
  generational run of like, blowing through all these
• 29:36
  lawyers and consulting them, seeing what's up.
• 29:38
  What should we do about this situation?
• 29:40
  And I'm like, hey, babes, we should have done this months
• 29:46
  ago, months ago, because why were you just taking it lying
• 29:55
  down? I don't I.
• 29:56
  I never understood that. And they're grown.
• 29:59
  They're not teenagers. They're not in their early 20's.
• 30:03
  The 2 elder sisters are in their 30s.
• 30:07
  Yeah, they're established adults.
• 30:09
  They're adults. I was very distraught about
• 30:13
  their approach and how passive they were.
• 30:17
  Yeah, yeah. About the whole thing, I have a
• 30:21
  special shout out to the G Wagon in this show because the G
• 30:27
  Wagon, let me just say this, they had AG Wagon in this show
• 30:33
  for like maybe half the show. Then they had to sell the G
• 30:35
  Wagon and I was like, no, the G Wagon Anytime you have AG Wagon
• 30:40
  in a drama and I just got off watching Low Between Lines,
• 30:42
  which is a Chinese drama. And why did I say just got off?
• 30:46
  That was weeks ago that I finished this.
• 30:48
  But anyway, there's AG Wagon in that show that is basically
• 30:50
  another character. Right.
• 30:52
  Right. I'm like anytime something is
• 30:55
  happening in or around the G wagon, I I'm zeroing in on the
• 30:58
  six figure car, zero wing in on the six figure car because it
• 31:04
  begs the question what the hell are they doing in AG wagon?
• 31:09
  No, seriously, it doesn't. Make sense?
• 31:11
  What the hell are they doing in the G Wagon and I?
• 31:13
  Considering the condition they were in and what was happening
• 31:16
  in the things were. Dire and I'm like oh we should
• 31:20
  have sold the G wagon like 6 episodes ago matter of fact the
• 31:26
  so the best friend is the one that actually owns the G wagon
• 31:30
  like the Co CEO of this company yeah and the company is
• 31:34
  financially struggling they're in dire straits yeah and he's
• 31:38
  still riding a rouse hole in the G wagon and I'm like babe.
• 31:46
  Your solution's right there. What are you doing?
• 31:52
  So I was losing it. Every time I saw the G Wagon.
• 31:56
  I was like Mercedes getting some big, big product placement time
• 32:00
  in this show. That's hilarious.
• 32:03
  Man, so other thing is the tomboy situation.
• 32:09
  I haven't seen a tomboy in AK drama in a minute and I loved
• 32:15
  it. I love having tomboys bring back
• 32:18
  tomboys. Her wardrobe.
• 32:19
  Her entire wardrobe. Yeah.
• 32:21
  That was what I wore in middle school.
• 32:23
  Yeah. I know you're I'm not laughing.
• 32:28
  That is what I wore in middle school.
• 32:31
  The baggy shirts, nothing form fitting the chucks she was
• 32:36
  wearing my wardrobe from middle. School.
• 32:38
  Yeah, yeah. Chuck All Stars.
• 32:41
  I mean it was refreshing to see basically my middle school self
• 32:46
  on screen. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:47
  All that was missing was a messy bun.
• 32:49
  Yeah, that's all. I was that was.
• 32:51
  So true. My uniform.
• 32:53
  That's so true. That's literally what she wore
• 32:55
  the entire show. Yeah, and I half expected them
• 32:58
  to do a makeover. Yeah, and they they didn't.
• 33:01
  She just stayed true to herself. Yeah, and he loved that about
• 33:05
  her. He didn't say nothing about it.
• 33:06
  He was like, yeah, you're fine. One thing I'll say no, maybe I
• 33:10
  should do that in the spoiler section.
• 33:12
  Maybe not. Maybe.
• 33:13
  Well, OK, whatever. Anyway, anything else you want
• 33:17
  to say in the non spoiler section?
• 33:19
  I don't think so. I think everything else is
• 33:20
  spoilers. What What did you like most
• 33:23
  about the show? I think the storytelling was
• 33:25
  just so good, like the show is so slow and so mellow but I was
• 33:30
  left wanting more after every episode.
• 33:34
  Oh, OK. I never felt like, oh, OK.
• 33:36
  Like, I literally was like, I need to know what's gonna happen
• 33:38
  next. And I think that the way the
• 33:40
  story was crapped, it was just really engaging.
• 33:43
  And that's also that slow, the kind of like the slow opening up
• 33:46
  that like, you know, both the leads were doing.
• 33:49
  Like with Dong Jin, it's like he's obviously struggling in
• 33:53
  life and you're kind of slowly seeing him kind of like open up.
• 33:56
  And then with Isan Kyung's character too, it's just like
• 33:59
  you're slowly seeing her like kind of contemplating her mind
• 34:02
  as I was like, am I open to this?
• 34:03
  Am I open to love? Am I open to forgiveness?
• 34:06
  And kind of her go through that process as well.
• 34:08
  Very, very slowly though, but you just see these like little
• 34:11
  tiny changes. And it was just really just
• 34:14
  satisfying to see that. And I just really spoke to like
• 34:17
  the storytelling. So I I really loved that.
• 34:20
  The show, each episode is about an hour and 10 minutes.
• 34:23
  I didn't need those 10 minutes. Yeah, the 70 minutes is like, I
• 34:28
  really wish Kate Arnold would just stick to an hour.
• 34:30
  I feel like we can do that. Yes I wanted a simle hour and
• 34:34
  multiple times they would come U on.
• 34:37
  What is a easy, expected cliffhanger?
• 34:40
  Yeah, right around an hour. And then they blow past it
• 34:43
  another 10 minutes. And I'm like, why are we doing
• 34:47
  this? Why can't you just make it an
• 34:52
  hour? Yeah, I don't know what it is
• 34:54
  about the Seventies, 75 minutes, but like that extra 1015
• 34:58
  minutes, it really does make a difference.
• 35:00
  I think so too. It's just like there's a
• 35:02
  difference between an hour and an hour 10.
• 35:04
  I agree. And I teeter back and forth
• 35:06
  because sometimes I watch a really good hour 10 show and I'm
• 35:09
  like, OK, that's fine. But I feel like the vast
• 35:12
  majority of them, it hits me like, call it love where I'm
• 35:14
  like, this show is really good. You know what would make it
• 35:17
  better? Why don't we edit out 10 minutes
• 35:20
  of superfluous nonsense in this show that is crawling, mind you,
• 35:26
  crawling through this plot. And you know another thing?
• 35:32
  I was surprised. I was surprised that the lie
• 35:39
  went on for so long. Yeah, I was flabbergasted.
• 35:44
  Yeah, and I think that's what kept me like.
• 35:46
  Oh, really? The whole time too, because I'm
• 35:48
  like, OK, like when is this going to come out like this has
• 35:51
  been? Because this thing is so
• 35:53
  nervous, it is making me nervous but also I was expecting by
• 35:57
  right around, I don't know, episode 9 or 10, this shit shit
• 36:01
  would hit the fan and we get something.
• 36:04
  She would say who she is and how they're connected and why she's
• 36:07
  there and reveal this half assed revenge that she was going for.
• 36:11
  Yeah. We blow past 89101112.
• 36:16
  Still they don't say what the hell is going on.
• 36:19
  The siblings are in the dark. The male lead is in the dark,
• 36:22
  the mom is in the everybody's in the dark.
• 36:25
  Yeah. And it didn't sit right with my
• 36:27
  spirit. I'm sorry, I thought.
• 36:29
  Anxiety inducing but I loved it. And maybe like, that's the charm
• 36:34
  of the show is that it's so simple.
• 36:36
  They kept to 1 premise. There wasn't like, all of a
• 36:39
  sudden somebody from their past shows up and I have to deal with
• 36:44
  that in a later stage of the show.
• 36:46
  No, that girl, the ex who lives across from the male lead in an
• 36:53
  adjacent apartment, she comes back in like episode 1.
• 36:57
  Yeah. She comes back early.
• 36:59
  So they've committed to a lot of stuff really early and they just
• 37:02
  kept the ball in the air the rest of the show.
• 37:05
  Right, right. But you know, we could have, we
• 37:08
  could have made this a 12 episode show.
• 37:10
  I think that's fair. I think it definitely could have
• 37:13
  been 12 to 14. I'm not mad at 16, but while
• 37:16
  we're here. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:18
  Talking about how we can improve this show.
• 37:21
  Yeah, make it an hour. And did we need 16 episodes?
• 37:25
  Yeah, because if they cut off all the extra 10 minutes, we
• 37:28
  probably could have gotten down to like 14-12 something.
• 37:31
  Yeah, yes, something. I think my favorite part about
• 37:36
  the show is the male lead and tongjin.
• 37:40
  That character is so gentle. Yes.
• 37:44
  Is so kind, yeah. And considerate and sensitive
• 37:49
  and nice and he's such a gentle giant.
• 37:53
  And you completely understand why the female lead is suddenly
• 37:57
  like, I can't tell him our bad blood.
• 38:02
  I can't hurt this. I can't hurt this man, she said.
• 38:05
  She's like, he's hurting too. He like, he like, you know,
• 38:08
  she's expecting him to like meet this like evil person.
• 38:10
  And she's like, Oh my gosh, he's so kind and so gentle and he's
• 38:13
  sweet, hurting and like she's like, I can't do this.
• 38:17
  I know, I know. He's just a gentle giant.
• 38:19
  He's because he's so tall too. Gosh, how tall is this man, Kim
• 38:23
  Yong Kong? He has to be over 6 feet.
• 38:25
  He's like it's really tall cuz Yong is tall.
• 38:28
  She's a tall girl too. Hi, he's taller than her.
• 38:33
  He's 6 too. He's 62.
• 38:36
  He's very tall. But then she's also model tall,
• 38:38
  too. And he's taller than her so also
• 38:41
  he has to be over 6 feet. She's 59, yeah.
• 38:45
  So they look really good together.
• 38:47
  They did. Because it's like she's 59,
• 38:49
  model tall, he's 62. And you know, sometimes I'm not
• 38:54
  going to throw anybody under the bus.
• 38:55
  I don't got names on me right now, but sometimes you look up
• 38:59
  people's height and you're like, they don't look like that on
• 39:03
  screen. Yeah. 6 to where?
• 39:07
  6 for where? You know this man looked tall as
• 39:12
  hell. Yeah, you can tell which
• 39:14
  proportions that he was tall, Yeah.
• 39:16
  And then her standing next to him, there's a lot of full body
• 39:18
  shots in this in the show. And then her standing next to
• 39:21
  him, I'm like, she's tall as hell too.
• 39:23
  Yes, and I think like their chemistry was so good and like
• 39:28
  to the point that when I was watching the show was like, can
• 39:30
  they date in real life because they look so good together.
• 39:32
  I really, really, really enjoyed them together and all the
• 39:36
  they're behind the scenes like pictures and they're like video
• 39:39
  clips. I will see.
• 39:40
  I was like they would they would be so cute together.
• 39:43
  They were very interesting together and I loved their
• 39:46
  chemistry. They had very strong chemistry
• 39:49
  and the way that they would look at each other.
• 39:53
  It was just so pregnant. Everything about it was like,
• 39:58
  there's something there that's building, that's growing, that's
• 40:02
  kicking. And they were so oddly electric
• 40:07
  on screen together. It wasn't like us exploding
• 40:10
  sexual chemistry. It was like, you know how you
• 40:14
  got a simmer soup sometimes? Yes, exactly.
• 40:18
  It was like that. It was not a rolling boil.
• 40:20
  Exactly. It just felt very natural that
• 40:23
  there was this natural like magnetic energy between them.
• 40:26
  I agree. So good.
• 40:27
  I. Agree.
• 40:28
  And there's something about a show that you know how when
• 40:32
  you're about to cry, there's like this glossy film over your
• 40:36
  eye, and your eye is like brimming with tears, with water.
• 40:41
  That was the entire show, 16 out of 16 episodes.
• 40:45
  That's how they looked, that they were almost gonna cry.
• 40:48
  Just on the verge. They just like held.
• 40:51
  So good, so good. And I can't do that at least
• 40:55
  once that the fact that they were doing that for multiple
• 40:58
  takes and to do that throughout the show, I mean, props to them.
• 41:03
  Yes, props to them. It was very beautiful, beautiful
• 41:06
  show. And like you said about healing
• 41:09
  and this sort of journey toward a reexamination of revenge,
• 41:14
  exactly because who is revenge really going to help exactly?
• 41:19
  It's corrosive to the soul, to the spirit, and it doesn't help
• 41:24
  nobody. Exactly.
• 41:25
  And I think for this show, what also made it really refreshing
• 41:28
  was this is easily a plot point that could have been done in
• 41:32
  like the mid 2000s would have been just like super mahjong and
• 41:36
  like off the rails, just wild. And like they took something
• 41:39
  that could have potentially been so messy and still made this
• 41:43
  like, very quiet, healing, gentle story.
• 41:46
  So I feel like it was like a refreshing take on a trope that
• 41:49
  could have been really, really messy, you know, 10 years.
• 41:53
  Not that it wasn't. Messy.
• 41:54
  Yeah, it definitely was messy before, but the way they did it
• 41:58
  was like you. You don't even realize that.
• 42:00
  Yeah. They're doing it in slow motions
• 42:03
  and I think it helped its case, yeah.
• 42:05
  What would you rate the show out of Five's Hoja bottles?
• 42:08
  Five out of five, five out. Of five.
• 42:12
  Love this show so much. It was my favorite show that
• 42:15
  came out that year and I watched it in real time and it was like
• 42:19
  I still think about it's like in my top 20 for my favorite like K
• 42:21
  dramas. I love this show so much.
• 42:24
  Oh. My gosh, I think I'd give it 4/4
• 42:28
  and 1/2, maybe 4 1/2 out of $500 'cause I think it really it
• 42:33
  worked for me. I left thinking I need to pay
• 42:38
  attention to these actors more. I need to pay attention to these
• 42:42
  creatives more. The directors and the
• 42:45
  screenwriter. Or I guess it's screenwriters
• 42:48
  and directors because there's one person there that maybe did
• 42:50
  both. I don't know.
• 42:51
  Anyway, they definitely have some skill here because it cut
• 42:57
  deep. Yeah, it did.
• 42:59
  It really did awesome. All right, so we'll see you on
• 43:03
  the other side of spoilers. Excuse me.
• 43:06
  I can't tell. I can't tell.
• 43:08
  You know, I have no tingle. Oh, sorry.
• 43:13
  Swear. Discussing shirts.
• 43:16
  What? All right, we're on the other
• 43:20
  side of spoilers. So we're going to spoil what
• 43:22
  happens and call it love. What is the beef?
• 43:24
  What's the drama? What's the bad blood between
• 43:27
  these people and how does it resolve?
• 43:30
  And one thing I will say that I stopped myself from saying was
• 43:33
  that their mom, the three siblings they have their mom
• 43:38
  come back into the picture sort of towards the end of the show
• 43:42
  because she lives in Pyongyang. I don't some somewhere else.
• 43:46
  She doesn't live in salt with them, which isn't that
• 43:49
  surprising because they're all grown.
• 43:51
  They're living in the family home for 20 years and I'm sure
• 43:54
  that she wants some space has has another life elsewhere or
• 43:57
  whatever, but in K drama land, this is weird.
• 44:01
  Yeah, for them to be living in the family home and she doesn't
• 44:04
  live there, so I thought that was a little odd.
• 44:10
  That being said, they make it seem like this woman is dead for
• 44:15
  the majority of the show. They did, and I.
• 44:17
  Thought they were joking when the second male lead is kind of
• 44:20
  like, I'm going to call your mom.
• 44:22
  I'm going to tell her what's going on, what you've been
• 44:24
  doing. And I'm like, what is this?
• 44:25
  OK tattle tale? But also is the mom really alive
• 44:30
  because she is not. They are not calling her.
• 44:34
  They don't tell her anything about the fact that they lost
• 44:37
  the house. Nothing at all.
• 44:38
  And so when she comes back in the picture, I was like, this
• 44:41
  lady just should have been dead, like, the whole time.
• 44:44
  Yeah. Did you feel any kind of way
• 44:46
  about their mom and that character?
• 44:49
  I try to be empathetic towards her because I'm sure it was very
• 44:52
  traumatic to, you know, find out your husband.
• 44:55
  She found out she cheating on you.
• 44:56
  She leaves the family. Yeah, in that house, yes.
• 45:01
  And so it's traumatic. And I get that, you know, she's
• 45:05
  like, OK, my kids are grown, I just need to get out of here.
• 45:08
  And so I I empathize with her in that way.
• 45:12
  But her kids were going through it.
• 45:15
  They were all struggling and like she wasn't there and I
• 45:20
  just, I don't know, like it. It just like I understood where
• 45:23
  she was coming from, but like they were all having such a hard
• 45:26
  time and the fact that like, they couldn't they I guess
• 45:30
  because things had gotten so bad, they couldn't even call her
• 45:33
  and be like, hey, mom, like we lost the house.
• 45:35
  We did this. We did that.
• 45:35
  Like, they're, they're the fact they felt that they even had to
• 45:37
  handle all that stuff on their own.
• 45:39
  I agree, was like crazy to me. And so it really showed that
• 45:42
  like this relationship really must be like fractured in a way
• 45:44
  because they can't even call her and tell her like what's going
• 45:47
  on and they're struggling. Like they were all just
• 45:50
  struggling. So it was, yeah.
• 45:52
  So I just felt like, Dang, like, I wish that she could have been
• 45:55
  been there for them. And then she just kind of pops
• 45:57
  up like, was it 3/4 of the way through the show?
• 46:00
  Yeah, 3. Fourths of the way and I'm like,
• 46:02
  oh, so she does live. I yeah, I'm telling you she
• 46:06
  should have just been dead the whole time because the dead had
• 46:09
  this like presence to them that like you can't speak I'll of the
• 46:14
  dead, whatever, whatever. And I think it would have been.
• 46:19
  I mean, it's cruel to do that to this character because her, you
• 46:22
  know, she got cheat on to whatever lost her marriage in
• 46:26
  the in a very cruel way, because it's not just like he was
• 46:28
  cheating and you caught you saw a text message on his phone.
• 46:32
  No, she caught him in the house stealing all the family jewelry
• 46:36
  and valuables and the woman that he was cheating with, the
• 46:40
  mistress was in the house too. And the this bitch is madding in
• 46:47
  raging because they got here staring down the family portrait
• 46:51
  and looking smug and so smart like she's a hater.
• 46:56
  Like she's the biggest OP in this whole show.
• 46:58
  No, seriously, just a purely evil woman.
• 47:01
  Purely evil. And so this the mom comes in and
• 47:04
  finds this situation happening and the dad does not feel badly.
• 47:09
  No, no. Leaves still with all that shit,
• 47:13
  all the family money, the funds and absconds with his mistress.
• 47:18
  Yeah. So I feel for her.
• 47:20
  She should have been dead. She got sick.
• 47:22
  They said that she got sick not long after that.
• 47:25
  Exactly. And the middle child, our female
• 47:28
  lead, had to quit archery, not go to college.
• 47:34
  She didn't choose to go to college and stay home to take
• 47:37
  care of the mom. Yeah.
• 47:39
  For a health crisis. We don't know what she was sick
• 47:41
  with, but the health crisis was. Exactly.
• 47:43
  But I was like, OK, so she should have died.
• 47:46
  Because her presence. Wasn't.
• 47:49
  I don't think it was necessary. Yeah, for the resolution of the
• 47:53
  added anything to the what the part of the show that she was in
• 47:57
  I don't think we needed we needed her presence there that.
• 48:00
  Lady was graceful and classy and elegant.
• 48:04
  So classy. We're still talking about the
• 48:07
  mom. Yes, she took the High Road time
• 48:09
  and time again. Yeah, definitely.
• 48:12
  And I even think back to like, I really did love the scene when
• 48:14
  she was talking to the Mistress though.
• 48:16
  No, that was I. Literally.
• 48:18
  I was like, OK, she paid her rent finally, yes.
• 48:21
  I could have stood up and clapped during that scene
• 48:24
  because she maintained her class and her dignity talking to this
• 48:27
  despicable woman. Oh my God.
• 48:30
  And I was like, wow. And the woman has no remorse.
• 48:33
  Like, she doesn't care. Like she doesn't feel bad.
• 48:36
  And she refuses to apologize to the to the end.
• 48:40
  She will not apologize. Correct.
• 48:42
  And the mom was just so graceful and so classy and full of
• 48:45
  dignity and integrity and just like, I forgive you.
• 48:48
  And it's just like, I Yeah. And this.
• 48:50
  Is we're sitting in my house, yes.
• 48:53
  That was left to my children that you have defrauded us out
• 48:58
  of. Yes.
• 49:00
  And I still forget. And then she had to the fact
• 49:02
  that she had to leave that house and leave her that that Lady
• 49:05
  still in the house. Yes, the way she walked away, I
• 49:08
  was like mic drop, this is amazing and that's not the I
• 49:11
  would. Not saying I would commit a
• 49:12
  crime, but I'm not saying I wouldn't commit a crime.
• 49:17
  I have crazy. Eyes so well, no like she had I.
• 49:22
  Oh my God. Kick them out of their own house
• 49:24
  after you stole you. You, you like that.
• 49:26
  You ruin the family, destroy their family, and then when the
• 49:30
  husband dies you take their house.
• 49:33
  And maybe there's like a maybe there is a very Christian
• 49:37
  undertone to the whole show because this Hung Kyung's
• 49:42
  character, Shimuju, the female lead, is a very eye for an eye,
• 49:46
  Old Testament, wrath of God kind of person.
• 49:51
  She wants blood. I don't think she really wants
• 49:55
  blood, but that's what she says. She talks a big game, Yeah,
• 49:58
  she's angry. She's angry.
• 50:00
  She is resentful of her dad, but also the mistress.
• 50:05
  Like, mostly she's putting a lot of pressure and hate on the
• 50:09
  mistress. Valid though, because that bitch
• 50:12
  is Wilding out the whole show. Terrible, terrible, terrible
• 50:16
  lady. But the mom, when she comes back
• 50:19
  into the show and her journey, Shimuju's journey, the female
• 50:23
  leads journey throughout the show is 1 of forgiveness and one
• 50:26
  of letting go and one of showing grace when grace has not been
• 50:35
  given or shown to you and you have every right to demand
• 50:39
  justice. And for her, it was went beyond
• 50:42
  just so she wanted to get back at these people.
• 50:44
  Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's like a very
• 50:48
  Christian thing that the show, the message is also that.
• 50:53
  Or it's like, hey, it's not going to feel nice, but
• 50:57
  forgiveness is always the best path.
• 51:00
  Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I think that's why I loved
• 51:03
  the overall message of the show because in reality, it's like we
• 51:07
  are called to forgive and we're not always going to get that
• 51:10
  apology. We're not always going to get
• 51:12
  that closure. It's not always going to end up
• 51:15
  working out and everything is fair and right.
• 51:17
  Right. But she made the conscious
• 51:19
  choice to say, even though you still are not sorry, I forgive
• 51:24
  you. And I feel like because she was
• 51:25
  able to forgive this woman and. It's tough.
• 51:28
  It allowed her to have that room in her heart.
• 51:30
  Yeah. To love, Yeah.
• 51:32
  And so I feel like when she was finally able to let that go, the
• 51:36
  you could see the weight physically lift off of her.
• 51:38
  Yes. And even like in the at the end
• 51:41
  of the show, like seeing her smile, we didn't see.
• 51:46
  Neither of them smile. Yeah.
• 51:48
  And like when Wujin like, started smiling and like
• 51:51
  Dongjin, like I remember like at the end of the show, after he
• 51:54
  had kind of gone on his own journey and like he went on his
• 51:57
  travels and he was camping and doing all his stuff.
• 51:58
  And when his friends come into the fact like, wow, you look so
• 52:01
  much lighter. Like you're, you're smiling.
• 52:03
  And it was like seeing him smile, seeing her seeing Wuju
• 52:07
  smile. I was just like, wow, the power
• 52:09
  of forgiveness because you just like holding on to the
• 52:12
  bitterness and the anger. It's only killing you at the end
• 52:15
  of the day. It's only killing at the end of
• 52:17
  the day. The other person doesn't care.
• 52:19
  They don't care. They don't care.
• 52:21
  It's hard was like, you have to like you have to let go and
• 52:23
  forgive because you're only hurting yourself.
• 52:26
  And that is a tough pill for me to swallow.
• 52:28
  Like God's still working on me off about this because I love
• 52:32
  revenge. I love being petty and the way
• 52:38
  that I was supporting her in like, her evil endeavour to ruin
• 52:43
  Tojin's life and ruin his business and somehow get the
• 52:47
  house back. Like the fact that she was
• 52:49
  trying to like do all this. I'm like, you're never going to
• 52:51
  get the house back. But yeah, ruin that man's life.
• 52:54
  That was my point of view. And it's not the way you should
• 52:59
  go back your life. It's not the way, not the way.
• 53:04
  And it's tough because I want that satisfaction, You know, you
• 53:09
  want them to be sorry. You want them to return what
• 53:15
  belongs to you. Yeah.
• 53:19
  They never get, like, the punishment that they deserve.
• 53:23
  And I know I asked you in the front non spoiler section, what
• 53:27
  would you have done? Because it's towards the end of
• 53:29
  the show, it becomes a sort of like, are we as a family going
• 53:32
  to press charges against the mistress who stole the house,
• 53:38
  embezzled, lied, tried to sell the house?
• 53:41
  Like all these compounding craps?
• 53:44
  Not to mention the actual cruelty of it, which cannot be
• 53:47
  prosecuted really. Like what?
• 53:49
  What are they supposed to do if they if the best fret?
• 53:51
  If Sungjung's character didn't take them in, they would have
• 53:53
  been on the streets. That becomes the question, are
• 53:56
  they going to press charges? The family is struggling with
• 53:59
  this, you know, all three siblings and the mom, the mom
• 54:02
  ends up kind of being like, look, if she moves out of the
• 54:06
  house expeditiously with them, we're not going to press
• 54:10
  charges. Like she kind of said, Like,
• 54:11
  look, if you keep on with this, it's going to end badly for you.
• 54:16
  And, you know, we're going to end up being forced to press
• 54:19
  charges and get our house back quickly that way through
• 54:23
  prosecuting a criminal case. What you said was, yeah, I would
• 54:27
  have pressed charges, Yeah, I would have 100%.
• 54:31
  I would have pressed charges. Yeah.
• 54:32
  I think, like I think there's a, there's a, yes.
• 54:35
  How you can forgive? Yes, you can forgive, but also
• 54:39
  the pressing of charges doesn't have nothing to do with.
• 54:42
  Me forgiving you? You literally stole my house.
• 54:46
  Yes, from under me. It's not your house, so it's
• 54:49
  like you can't do this now. I think like with what to with
• 54:53
  the mom, like I think perhaps I probably would have done
• 54:56
  something similar like let's try to figure out a compromise If
• 54:59
  you move out like today, let's just you know, but if you insist
• 55:03
  on staying like we will go to court, yes, like I think that's
• 55:06
  a fair. She kind of said like, the ball
• 55:08
  is in your court, but I'm not going to blink first, OK?
• 55:13
  And what's funny is the mistress had a boyfriend who ends up
• 55:19
  pressing charges. I forgot about the boyfriend.
• 55:22
  So I had a lot of questions about this like this is a weak
• 55:25
  link of the show is that I was confused about this whole thing.
• 55:29
  The boyfriend and he was living with her but I thought he was
• 55:34
  the sugar daddy but ended up like he was borrowing.
• 55:37
  He he borrowed money from her or something like that.
• 55:40
  She borrowed money from him. Something was going on there
• 55:42
  because he owed money and he couldn't get the money from her,
• 55:47
  right, the mistress. And so he was like, OK, well, if
• 55:50
  you sell the house, I take the proceeds of the house because
• 55:54
  you owe this money. And I really couldn't wrap my
• 55:57
  head around, I was like, who owes money to who?
• 56:01
  Why is he so hell bent on recording all of their
• 56:03
  conversations right and incriminating her?
• 56:08
  It just seemed like he was a bitter ex who wanted to take her
• 56:12
  down but then he would also be incriminated by him submitting
• 56:16
  all of this stuff and pressing charges.
• 56:18
  Exactly exactly about the house fraud.
• 56:21
  That was her consequence for being a scammer.
• 56:23
  Honestly, it was really bizarre. It was very strange.
• 56:28
  I remember being confused about what was going on with them.
• 56:30
  It felt like a cop out. Is what else?
• 56:32
  Yeah, yeah. It felt like a cop out because
• 56:35
  the people who really should have been demanding justice,
• 56:39
  we're like, you know what, like we don't have to do that.
• 56:44
  We're just going to keep this in the civil court or whatever.
• 56:49
  We don't have to make it a criminal case and press charges.
• 56:53
  Then she she still gets she still has to do the whole
• 56:57
  prepping of the trial and Oh well, if the victims I don't
• 57:03
  understand, I really don't understand like the whole
• 57:05
  rigmarole of this a criminal case that ends up happening
• 57:08
  anyway because of the boyfriend. I didn't get.
• 57:11
  I remember being very confused by that whole storyline.
• 57:14
  Yes. I was like, why is he pressing
• 57:16
  criminal charges when, yeah, he's not?
• 57:18
  Because he's going to get in trouble and.
• 57:20
  Then he's going to get in trouble.
• 57:21
  Anyway, brings forth his evidence they're going.
• 57:24
  To be like they're like, you were in on it with her.
• 57:26
  You were an accomplice. Yeah.
• 57:29
  So it's just like, it's not like you're going to get immunity or
• 57:31
  anything. So I didn't really understand
• 57:33
  what his angle. Was it was bizarre and that's
• 57:35
  why I'm like, this is a weak link of the show because they
• 57:37
  try and kind of force the criminal trial without the
• 57:43
  family being the ones leading the charge on that.
• 57:47
  Yeah, yeah. They still.
• 57:49
  I mean, what's the term? In the final episode, the mom
• 57:53
  goes and talks with Wuju, the female lead, so that she will
• 57:59
  provide a non punishment application letter.
• 58:02
  And I was like, you know, thank God that I live in the United
• 58:06
  States because this sounds all kind of wrong.
• 58:10
  But like, you can just go to the victim and be like, why don't
• 58:13
  you request that I do not get punished for the crime that I
• 58:19
  committed against you? She's wicked inside and out of
• 58:23
  like the audacity of this woman. And she she basically says later
• 58:27
  on, like in that same episode, I got scared because they were
• 58:30
  mentioning prison time. Well, that's what happens when
• 58:33
  you commit crimes and fraud. Girl, you did all this and
• 58:39
  didn't think about the consequences?
• 58:41
  You just thought that they were just gonna let you like, take
• 58:43
  their house forever that you stole.
• 58:45
  It literally it just enrages me. It enrages me so wild that she
• 58:51
  wasn't sorry, she was sorry she got caught.
• 58:53
  Oh yeah, She was not sorry. She did not care.
• 58:55
  She refused to apologize. She.
• 58:57
  Refused. But that conversation is very
• 59:01
  interesting, the one between Heeda, the mistress, and Wuju,
• 59:05
  because she says to her, you have no idea, like how you've
• 59:09
  ruined my life for the past 13 years.
• 59:12
  I've had no peace, no comfort since the age of 17.
• 59:15
  And it was easier to hate you than it was to hate my dad.
• 59:18
  So I was like, oh, that's actually quite interesting for
• 59:21
  her to say that directly to the mistress, who, mind you, was
• 59:27
  scoffing and incredulous. And I can't believe I'm getting
• 59:31
  all the blame and that you hated me all these years.
• 59:35
  Like I was screaming during that because I was like, fix your
• 59:37
  face. Are you serious right now?
• 59:40
  Are you serious right now? You don't get to be smug.
• 59:42
  No, you kidding me? You do not have the right to be
• 59:45
  smug. So I want to slap her face the
• 59:47
  whole the whole show, but she's telling her this like stuff from
• 59:51
  the heart, right? She's like, hey, I hated you.
• 59:54
  I hated your guts for 13 years when I really should have been
• 59:59
  dealing with my resentment toward my dad, who it takes 2 to
• 1:00:03
  tango. My dad's the one who showed up
• 1:00:05
  at the house with you and ran. Off with you, like ruin the
• 1:00:09
  family. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:11
  She tells her to her face. I'm going to stop hating you.
• 1:00:14
  This is when I was like, oh, that's God.
• 1:00:16
  Because, she says. And I wish you well, yes.
• 1:00:18
  I was like, wow, wow. I was like, this is this is the
• 1:00:23
  power of forgiveness. Like you could tell that she
• 1:00:25
  fully released her. I'm not going to give you the
• 1:00:28
  power that you have over me anymore.
• 1:00:29
  Like, yes, it's done. It's released.
• 1:00:32
  I'm going to go back to the beginning of the show and talk
• 1:00:34
  about the intro sequence that's at the beginning.
• 1:00:36
  Of yeah. It is so good.
• 1:00:40
  I love that intra sequence of shots of people from behind
• 1:00:44
  these shadows and silhouettes and it's so romantic and cozy
• 1:00:48
  and sad. And that's the show.
• 1:00:49
  And that show, it's romantic and cozy and sad.
• 1:00:53
  Yes, literally. That's the perfect way to
• 1:00:54
  describe it. What did you think of her
• 1:00:57
  showing up at the funeral at the beginning of the show?
• 1:00:59
  I loved that scene. I it was like she literally
• 1:01:03
  walked into the funeral. I She had like a leopard print,
• 1:01:06
  like a short leopard print dress, right?
• 1:01:08
  Yes, yes she did. And red pumps.
• 1:01:11
  And red pumps and she just, like, struts in there.
• 1:01:14
  Her dad's funeral and everyone's just like, and she's just like
• 1:01:19
  and sunglasses and all cater blockers.
• 1:01:21
  I'm here, yeah. I'm here.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah, she was acting crazy, but I was like, she was, she wasn't
• 1:01:26
  even acting that crazy in there. Right but it was just like rage
• 1:01:30
  personified. It was a really powerful scene.
• 1:01:32
  I was like, wow, okay, she's not playing around.
• 1:01:34
  I. Thought it was interesting.
• 1:01:35
  She kind of left it up to chance, which I felt added to
• 1:01:41
  her character. Like you don't really know her
• 1:01:43
  right now, but you know that, you know, she's depressed, she's
• 1:01:46
  angry at something. We don't even know the full
• 1:01:48
  story yet. And she bets the second male
• 1:01:51
  lead. Look, if it rains tomorrow,
• 1:01:54
  which is the day of the funeral, she had a text from an aunt
• 1:01:57
  saying, oh, the funeral's tomorrow.
• 1:01:58
  And she's like, wow, they were, they weren't even going to tell
• 1:02:00
  me. It was a neighborhood auntie
• 1:02:04
  that was like, hey, I don't know if you know this.
• 1:02:05
  Your dad's funeral is tomorrow. Can you believe that?
• 1:02:08
  None of your blood relations let you know?
• 1:02:11
  Anyway, so she tells the second Molly, if it rains tomorrow, I'm
• 1:02:15
  going to do something crazy. And he said there's a 10% chance
• 1:02:19
  of rain tomorrow. Yeah, I'll take your bet.
• 1:02:22
  And so she goes, OK, fine. The day, the day progresses and
• 1:02:27
  it starts raining. And she was like, well, that's a
• 1:02:31
  sign. Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  I like that there's still like that sort of cosmic interference
• 1:02:36
  happening here. Exactly.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, it was very interesting, but it was definitely a great
• 1:02:41
  way to open the show for sure. The shot of her walking in the
• 1:02:45
  rain though, Yeah, the slow motion shot of her walking in
• 1:02:48
  the rain, and the rain is falling up.
• 1:02:52
  That's the thing that sticks in my head.
• 1:02:53
  And she's walking forward and everyone around her is going
• 1:02:57
  backward. I love that effect.
• 1:03:00
  I love that effect. She's going against the grain.
• 1:03:03
  She's swimming upstream. She's the opposite of everyone
• 1:03:05
  else. And it feels so cinematic.
• 1:03:11
  So I love that scene. And she references that scene
• 1:03:13
  finally in like the last episode, because we don't really
• 1:03:16
  know for sure what's going through her head, what she was
• 1:03:19
  feeling. You can just kind of guess at
• 1:03:21
  the five of the whole thing. And she says in the final
• 1:03:24
  episode, sometimes I wondered how everyone else walked forward
• 1:03:28
  when I always felt like I was walking backward.
• 1:03:30
  It was because I had so much hate in me.
• 1:03:33
  Once I let that go, I finally realized if I hadn't met you,
• 1:03:36
  I'd be walking backwards for the rest of my life.
• 1:03:41
  Oh my gosh, I was like, who loves this show?
• 1:03:45
  Yeah, I couldn't believe they circled back on that.
• 1:03:50
  She addressed it. Drama does like a full circle
• 1:03:52
  moment like that because just shows how intentional every,
• 1:03:55
  every scene is. And I love that.
• 1:03:57
  Yeah, love it. He said.
• 1:03:59
  She's talking about like, I can't believe you didn't.
• 1:04:01
  You didn't. You couldn't hate me after
• 1:04:03
  everything. Then the bad blood between my
• 1:04:05
  mother and your mother, my family and your mom.
• 1:04:08
  You took my side and you empathized with me and you you
• 1:04:12
  were sad for me. And he said, mind you, they're
• 1:04:15
  already like deeply in love by this point.
• 1:04:17
  So the still last episode, he says, I couldn't hate you
• 1:04:20
  because the love you gave me was so much bigger than the pain you
• 1:04:23
  gave me. Don't you?
• 1:04:26
  Just some lies. You just want to marinate in
• 1:04:28
  them. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:29
  Seriously. So I love that.
• 1:04:33
  And he said you gave me everything, support,
• 1:04:36
  consolation, love. Thank you for loving me.
• 1:04:38
  And they promptly break up. I I know, I know.
• 1:04:44
  I don't think I was upset, but I was like upset, you know,
• 1:04:46
  because it made a lot of sense why they wanted to part with.
• 1:04:51
  Yes, there was some healing they needed to do separately, which I
• 1:04:53
  got. I was like, after those
• 1:04:55
  speeches, I was like, I was like, now what?
• 1:05:00
  Yeah, because after that I would have been like, so we're going
• 1:05:04
  to meet at the courthouse at 9:00 AM tomorrow, right?
• 1:05:06
  It's. Like what do you?
• 1:05:08
  Mean we're not going to be forever.
• 1:05:14
  Yeah. And then the one year later time
• 1:05:16
  jump. Yes.
• 1:05:18
  Let's talk about the second male lead.
• 1:05:19
  Yes. Yes, and the sister?
• 1:05:21
  Why don't you go first? What are your thoughts on these
• 1:05:23
  two? OK, so first of all, his song,
• 1:05:26
  her sister, yeah. I feel like Wuju was the oldest
• 1:05:30
  sibling even though she was the middle sibling.
• 1:05:32
  I agree. This is another case of I think
• 1:05:34
  the mom should have been dead. Yeah, I think the female lead,
• 1:05:38
  Wuju, should have been the oldest sibling.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah, she felt that way. She read that way.
• 1:05:45
  If you would have told me of these three siblings, you don't
• 1:05:47
  know who is the oldest, which one of them is the oldest, I
• 1:05:52
  would have said Wuju, and you would have been wrong.
• 1:05:54
  She's the middle child and I don't believe they wrote her
• 1:05:57
  like a middle child. Not at all.
• 1:05:59
  Not at all. So I don't really know how she
• 1:06:01
  became the way she did. Hey, Song is not an oldest
• 1:06:05
  sibling. No, she's not.
• 1:06:07
  She's so flighty. Like, she's not like, like,
• 1:06:10
  because Wuju, she's a go getter. She's gonna fix it.
• 1:06:13
  She's gonna find a solution. Right?
• 1:06:16
  And his song's like, what's happening?
• 1:06:17
  What do we do now? Like, she's just, like, all over
• 1:06:19
  the place. Yeah, she's scatterbrained and
• 1:06:22
  very scatterbrained love. I was gonna say love stoned.
• 1:06:26
  Yeah, she wants to be in a relationship so bad, and she's
• 1:06:34
  just. Like she's just.
• 1:06:35
  The hopeless romantic. And that's what her focus I.
• 1:06:37
  Know, and you know what, my best friend growing up was very much
• 1:06:42
  like Hey Song. She came from an abusive
• 1:06:45
  household, which I'm not saying that the household was abusive.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah. But there's levels to everything
• 1:06:51
  and I think she was definitely the oldest sister.
• 1:06:53
  Hesong was scarred by the entire situation, the falling out that
• 1:06:57
  happened in the family, the ruinous mistress relationship
• 1:07:01
  that sort of imploded everything and she's desperate for that
• 1:07:06
  male. Validation, yes.
• 1:07:08
  I feel like there's like some Arrested Development there.
• 1:07:10
  Something just was was off about.
• 1:07:12
  Her 100% so she was giving and my friend was the second child
• 1:07:19
  and so it just like made me think, OK, she's written like
• 1:07:22
  they wrote her wrong. She should not be the oldest
• 1:07:25
  child. She should be the middle child.
• 1:07:26
  Yeah, it was not giving me oldest daughter, was not giving
• 1:07:28
  me an oldest daughter. I was like, this is, this is and
• 1:07:31
  no, this is not realistic to be an oldest daughter and to be
• 1:07:34
  like. Right.
• 1:07:34
  It basically it took me out of the show in the same way that
• 1:07:37
  I'm like, the mom should be dead.
• 1:07:38
  Yeah, this, this girl is. Not the oldest.
• 1:07:42
  So hey song very similar to my friend was in Spanish.
• 1:07:46
  We say in Amarala. Like she's constantly in love,
• 1:07:49
  constantly looking for love, and she's had a string of horrible
• 1:07:53
  relationships. Yes, I felt really bad for her
• 1:07:55
  because you see that that's how her brokenness shows up, right?
• 1:07:59
  It shows up differently in all the siblings, but that's how her
• 1:08:01
  shows up. I agree.
• 1:08:02
  I was concerned at first because I thought that Sung Jun's
• 1:08:05
  character they were gonna kinda do trying to do like a love
• 1:08:07
  triangle thing. I'm so glad that he was
• 1:08:09
  genuinely it was quite smart. I loved his character so much
• 1:08:12
  because he was like a brother to I loved her Major.
• 1:08:17
  Sibling. Energy, yes, yeah.
• 1:08:19
  I loved their relationship. I loved it so much.
• 1:08:22
  I was like, oh, this is so refreshing.
• 1:08:24
  And I love that he just became everything like hey song needed.
• 1:08:27
  Cuz you know, there's like insecurity there.
• 1:08:30
  There's just so many things. There's so many layers to her.
• 1:08:32
  To be clear, I was saying that. They're giving off sibling
• 1:08:34
  energy, but I was mostly meaning between him and the female lead.
• 1:08:38
  Oh, yeah, no, but I was talking about Wuju.
• 1:08:39
  Yeah, yeah, I was talking about Wuju because I used to.
• 1:08:41
  Love hay song and I was like Oh no, she.
• 1:08:43
  Was oh, no, no, no. I was just sorry.
• 1:08:44
  I was just moving on to the romantic relationship.
• 1:08:46
  But yeah, but him and Wuju's relationship, it was just
• 1:08:49
  strictly brother and sister. And I loved how he was.
• 1:08:51
  He was so ride or die for that family as a whole because even
• 1:08:54
  when the mom came into town, of course the mom had to stay there
• 1:08:57
  too. So it's just like he was so ride
• 1:08:59
  or die for this family. And I love that.
• 1:09:01
  And even how he treated the little brother as well, like I
• 1:09:04
  he was. He's a superb character.
• 1:09:05
  They truly became a surrogate family for him.
• 1:09:08
  And you don't quite understand, and this isn't done in every K
• 1:09:11
  drama where you might have this same dynamic, but you don't
• 1:09:14
  understand why the second male leader, second female leader,
• 1:09:18
  whoever is so about this family embedded in another family,
• 1:09:23
  What's going on with them? You find out what's going on
• 1:09:26
  with him. And I was like, Oh no, this show
• 1:09:29
  got better. Because his family dynamic is
• 1:09:33
  militaristic. It's highly patriarchal.
• 1:09:36
  The mother is extremely subservient to the father.
• 1:09:40
  They are not talkers, They're not close.
• 1:09:44
  They are quite strict and conservative.
• 1:09:48
  And so to see him in that environment being so suffocated
• 1:09:53
  and him being so comfortable and open with the siblings, you're
• 1:10:00
  like, oh, I totally understand why he loves the siblings, why
• 1:10:03
  he wants them around, why he openly from freely offered his
• 1:10:07
  home to them when they were out of a house.
• 1:10:10
  And you know, it's one of those things where you're like, I love
• 1:10:13
  your family. Can I join?
• 1:10:15
  Can exactly. And found family.
• 1:10:17
  It's found family in a way, in a very real way.
• 1:10:21
  Yes, and I, I really loved it. I loved it.
• 1:10:24
  And him and his song. This was Yeah, they like, they
• 1:10:27
  were very cute. I like them.
• 1:10:28
  I think that he was. I could have had a show just
• 1:10:31
  them too. Yeah, especially towards the end
• 1:10:33
  when they like actually got together and it was just like,
• 1:10:35
  oh, like this is good. Like they are such a good match.
• 1:10:38
  Also can we like have a quick did you notice how his hair
• 1:10:42
  transformed you? Know I didn't like that I didn't
• 1:10:44
  not not appreciate that because I liked the longer scruffy,
• 1:10:53
  obviously dyed at some point hair.
• 1:10:57
  Then we get the one year time drum by the end of the show and
• 1:10:59
  I was like no, no, because they chopped it and it was a darker
• 1:11:04
  colour and he just looked too buttoned up to.
• 1:11:09
  And here's another thing I'll say K dramas love a hot
• 1:11:13
  pharmacist. They love a hot.
• 1:11:15
  Pharmacist This is because. What's the other way?
• 1:11:19
  It's not Chung. Chung in yes, Chunk in spring,
• 1:11:23
  Night in one. Spring night is another hot
• 1:11:25
  pharmacist. And.
• 1:11:26
  I here's what I'll say about pharmacist.
• 1:11:30
  I would love me a hot pharmacist, first of all,
• 1:11:33
  Second, So if there's any hot pharmacist listening, hit me up.
• 1:11:36
  Second of all, I have a bunch of Puerto Rican cousins that live
• 1:11:41
  on the island and for some reason growing up, you know,
• 1:11:46
  we're all of similar ages. The word out of Puerto Rico from
• 1:11:50
  my great aunt was that all the Puerto Rican kids want to grow
• 1:11:55
  up and be a pharmacist. This is like, there's like a run
• 1:11:58
  on this industry, this this profession.
• 1:12:02
  There's a run on this profession and I have I think 2 cousins
• 1:12:07
  that are pharmacists. Wow.
• 1:12:10
  They're not hot, OK? I saw them growing up.
• 1:12:12
  I. I used.
• 1:12:15
  To be so embarrassed to walk around with my cousin Lenny
• 1:12:18
  because he had a rat tail. I'm dying.
• 1:12:23
  And so I'm like, Lenny is a pharmacist.
• 1:12:27
  Oh my God. So the fact that pharmacy as a
• 1:12:34
  job and profession is so intrinsically tied to my friggin
• 1:12:39
  Puerto Rican cousins and the island of Puerto Rico, I don't
• 1:12:45
  like that at all. I'm crazy.
• 1:12:47
  I don't like that one bit. A rat tail.
• 1:12:51
  A rat tail? Tell me why I'm walking around
• 1:12:54
  Key West with a cousin that has a rat tail and he didn't just
• 1:13:02
  have it for one like 1 summer, he had it for years.
• 1:13:07
  Wow. The commitment.
• 1:13:09
  Wow. I hated it.
• 1:13:12
  I I was like, get farther away from me.
• 1:13:17
  Yeah. So there's that, man.
• 1:13:19
  So there's that tie in. That's so.
• 1:13:22
  I know. Anyway, Long story short, it
• 1:13:25
  took a minute for me to be like, oh pharmacist, oh pharmacist, to
• 1:13:29
  get it out of my head what my experience with pharmacy is.
• 1:13:35
  But once I got through that hurdle, once I got through that
• 1:13:37
  mental block, I was like Song Jun, this actor as a hot
• 1:13:43
  pharmacist, like I will be in there all day picking up
• 1:13:46
  prescriptions and Bambi and so. As well.
• 1:13:50
  Yes, he invited so well, no. And then the little voice that
• 1:13:54
  he would put on when he was calling out patients names for
• 1:13:57
  them to pick up their prescription.
• 1:13:59
  Yes. How do I put it?
• 1:14:02
  It'd be like, oh, I can't even say it, but it was like sing
• 1:14:06
  songy sometimes. I mean, like, it was kind of
• 1:14:09
  like that. And he would do it multiple
• 1:14:11
  times in the show. But anyway, Long story short, I
• 1:14:15
  loved this man and I did not appreciate the chop they gave
• 1:14:18
  him in the time jump. I was annoyed with him only a
• 1:14:23
  couple of times in the show because I thought he was doing
• 1:14:24
  too much, right? He's the only one that knows
• 1:14:26
  about the secret, that knows about her backhanded revenge
• 1:14:30
  that she's doing. She's embedded herself in this
• 1:14:32
  company and she's trying to sabotage this man.
• 1:14:35
  Trying to sabotage. Don't get in the mail lead.
• 1:14:38
  At one point, he kind of, she sleeps out.
• 1:14:40
  She sleeps outside the house. Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  And he kind of becomes angry and shows up at the job the next day
• 1:14:49
  outside the work building, and he's waiting for her.
• 1:14:53
  And what was his intention? Like?
• 1:14:56
  Was he just going to spill the beans right there?
• 1:14:58
  Why was he confronting her instead of opening the pharmacy?
• 1:15:00
  So I had a lot of issues with the fact that he started doing
• 1:15:04
  too much. And it was giving jealous.
• 1:15:06
  It was giving, you know, I can't believe that she's falling for
• 1:15:09
  this guy. And that's what made me nervous
• 1:15:12
  for a second. I really hope we don't go the
• 1:15:14
  love triangle rabbit. I was like, who?
• 1:15:15
  OK, no, I think he's just being an overprotective brother.
• 1:15:18
  But that's those are the things that kind of got me concerned a
• 1:15:20
  little bit. I was like, what are we doing?
• 1:15:22
  But I think he really just didn't want her to like, make a
• 1:15:24
  bad decision. He's like, don't do anything
• 1:15:27
  stupid. He was really scared, but it was
• 1:15:29
  a lot. It was a lot showing up at the
• 1:15:31
  job in the morning that I was like, OK.
• 1:15:33
  I was like, oh, this is do you not have?
• 1:15:34
  Anything to do like I had, I'm just saying.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah, he. Had a couple moments where he
• 1:15:41
  was out of line but his relationship with the older
• 1:15:46
  sister Hesong was juicy. And.
• 1:15:50
  You know, they got like, they had like a little fake
• 1:15:52
  relationships issue that they had to work through because his
• 1:15:56
  mom is trying to put him on some blind dates.
• 1:15:58
  He doesn't want nothing of it. And so he declares that he's
• 1:16:02
  dating Hesong and she goes to a family dinner with his parents
• 1:16:08
  as an introduction. Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  Wow, that family's a piece of work.
• 1:16:12
  But the mom standing up and going yellow was the wrong
• 1:16:16
  choice because she wore a bright, like Canary yellow
• 1:16:20
  dress. I was like, Oh my God, it's.
• 1:16:25
  Like no wonder he never comes home.
• 1:16:26
  It's no wonder this man is like, I don't want nothing to do with
• 1:16:29
  my family. Yeah, but she starts to
• 1:16:33
  understand him. He starts to understand her.
• 1:16:35
  He's always the shoulder that she cries on whenever she has
• 1:16:38
  relationship issues. He's just there for her.
• 1:16:43
  The relationship that she had with a younger boy.
• 1:16:46
  Let's talk about that for a second.
• 1:16:48
  Oh yeah, not so bad for her. I feel horrible for her.
• 1:16:51
  First of all, she gets confronted at her place of work.
• 1:16:54
  She's a bank teller. Oh.
• 1:16:56
  My gosh, that was so bad. She gets confronted hair pulled
• 1:16:59
  and everything because she didn't know her boyfriend was
• 1:17:05
  married so she inadvertently was the other woman.
• 1:17:10
  And when that wife comes, she raised hell in that bank, was
• 1:17:15
  pulling her hair, was causing a scene.
• 1:17:18
  And of course you already know that all three siblings have a
• 1:17:21
  complex about cheating, which we should all have complexes about
• 1:17:27
  cheating, but they are personally victimized and she is
• 1:17:32
  sends her over the edge. She starts taking anxiety
• 1:17:35
  medication. She starts she basically goes on
• 1:17:38
  antidepressants. I think after that because she's
• 1:17:41
  struggling so bad. The younger guy, first of all,
• 1:17:45
  their relationship was never going to last, but it was kind
• 1:17:46
  of sweet. It was kind of sweet.
• 1:17:48
  I was buying in for a little bit.
• 1:17:49
  I was like, oh shit. So it's a triangle between the
• 1:17:52
  second elite sung June and this guy and the sister, his song.
• 1:17:57
  Yeah. What ends up happening is this
• 1:17:59
  guy, he meets her friends. I don't know if you remember
• 1:18:02
  this. Yeah, I remember OK.
• 1:18:05
  They asked him what do you like about her, which I think is slow
• 1:18:08
  pitch. It really is.
• 1:18:10
  What do you like about her? He says.
• 1:18:12
  She's basically shallow. I believe this guy was such
• 1:18:15
  trash. Yeah, so he gives her like a
• 1:18:18
  backhanded compliment. Yeah.
• 1:18:20
  It's strangely touching at that point, but I was like, the
• 1:18:24
  undertone of that wasn't so good, but he fixed it.
• 1:18:27
  Not at all in the moment. Later on, they're not on the
• 1:18:30
  same page. He makes like a couple
• 1:18:32
  Instagram, right? And she's not about it.
• 1:18:34
  She's kind of like, I don't understand.
• 1:18:36
  And it's very generational difference front and center.
• 1:18:40
  And then later in maybe episodes 10 or 11, she plucks up the
• 1:18:46
  courage to tell him, Hey, I don't really want to go to the
• 1:18:48
  theme park with you. Not because I don't like theme
• 1:18:50
  parks and not because I don't like you, but I've been
• 1:18:53
  struggling for months with the fallout of my public shaming.
• 1:18:57
  And I'm on medication. I don't want to be around other
• 1:19:00
  people in large crowds. I don't want to be in enclosed
• 1:19:03
  spaces. I'm struggling.
• 1:19:05
  And it was a huge deal for her to open up to this little boy
• 1:19:09
  about her situation, her mental well-being.
• 1:19:14
  He seems so sensitive in the moment and understanding of her.
• 1:19:18
  And she's so happy. She feels like very renewed in
• 1:19:21
  their relationship. I personally almost cried when
• 1:19:25
  she catches him outside on the phone and he's saying, oh, I
• 1:19:28
  need just like one more hour to wrap this up and then I'll go
• 1:19:30
  gaming with you guys. I'll meet you at the PC bong
• 1:19:33
  because she's sick but not really and talks about her
• 1:19:37
  needing medication. Girl, I can't even extreme to
• 1:19:41
  you how angry I was. Talk to me.
• 1:19:43
  I was angry and also like, about to cry because I was like, she
• 1:19:47
  it was such a big deal for her to open up about that.
• 1:19:50
  Like, her struggle, her struggle she's been having for a long
• 1:19:52
  time. And you're supposed to be her
• 1:19:55
  boyfriend and, like, love her through anything, and you're
• 1:19:57
  judging her. It was terrible.
• 1:20:00
  And other people deserve that. And she's so sweet and she's so
• 1:20:02
  sensitive. And I just hated that.
• 1:20:04
  Yeah. She had to witness that.
• 1:20:06
  So they break up, but not before he gives her a generational
• 1:20:10
  read. He tells her, oh, I see all of
• 1:20:13
  your other relationships ended. They fizzled out because you
• 1:20:17
  didn't want to do the work of actually reconciling, of
• 1:20:20
  actually fighting it out. You've never argued with
• 1:20:22
  somebody else. You just give up.
• 1:20:24
  And I was like, oh, and I knew that her relationship with the
• 1:20:29
  second of Lee Song June was going to work because she tells
• 1:20:33
  him later on they're fighting still.
• 1:20:35
  They're fighting her. And the second of Lee Song June
• 1:20:38
  are fighting. And she tells him, well, my ex,
• 1:20:42
  I broke up with him, but he said this XYZ and the other.
• 1:20:45
  And he's like, but that's not even true.
• 1:20:47
  And I was like, oh, he's on her side.
• 1:20:51
  Yes, he was. Just he's supporting her.
• 1:20:54
  He knew her. Yes, exactly.
• 1:20:56
  He sees her for who she is. Yeah.
• 1:20:58
  They when she gets proposed to at the end of the show after the
• 1:21:01
  time jump, I was like, I could be here 30 more minutes.
• 1:21:05
  No, literally, I loved them. I and I didn't expect to get as
• 1:21:09
  invested in them as I did. Yes, but I loved them.
• 1:21:12
  I think that's another thing the show did really well.
• 1:21:14
  Like I was equally invested in our main couple as I was.
• 1:21:17
  In there which is true. As well, Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  What were some of your favorite parts of the show when it came
• 1:21:24
  to moments between Tongjin and Wuju, The female lead and the
• 1:21:28
  male lead. OK, so I don't know if you
• 1:21:31
  remember, I think it was between episodes 5:00 and 6:00 and I
• 1:21:35
  think they were like at the office, the XI think the X had
• 1:21:39
  come into the office at night. Do you remember the scene?
• 1:21:42
  Yes. OK so background so I started
• 1:21:45
  the show kind of maybe like a week after I came out.
• 1:21:48
  So by the time I was watching it, I think 5 episodes were out.
• 1:21:51
  OK, so then I binged it one night when I tell you I was like
• 1:21:56
  like literally I couldn't breathe during the scene when
• 1:21:58
  like so the ex was in the office dungeons there dungeon as we
• 1:22:02
  know he's he's very gentle, he's very docile.
• 1:22:04
  The ex is like being annoying. The audacity on all of the like
• 1:22:10
  the Mistress but the X also the. X.
• 1:22:13
  We need to talk about the X. And then she had she was in a
• 1:22:16
  depression hole. She had to clean her depression
• 1:22:19
  apartment at some point. Tongjin is like you're sick.
• 1:22:22
  He says you're sick. He needs you.
• 1:22:24
  Need help. You're an alcoholic.
• 1:22:26
  Yeah. You need an alcoholic.
• 1:22:28
  Yes. It was like when you get you
• 1:22:30
  need to get better and when you get better, fine, we can go out
• 1:22:33
  and have drinks or whatever. Yeah, whatever.
• 1:22:35
  Tea, whatever you want. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:37
  I was like, that situation was bad, he clocked.
• 1:22:39
  But anyway, he did the scene that you're talking about.
• 1:22:43
  But and so obviously Dongjit is like in a tough spot and she and
• 1:22:47
  would you literally just like grabs his hand and they leave
• 1:22:49
  the office. I screamed like audibly
• 1:22:52
  screamed. I was like, this show is
• 1:22:54
  amazing. And so and that was the end of
• 1:22:56
  episode 5. That's and that's the first time
• 1:22:58
  they've ever had like a physical interaction.
• 1:23:00
  This is just a hand hold, a hand grab.
• 1:23:03
  So I'm like screaming it's a lot.
• 1:23:05
  So then it was a lot for that lot.
• 1:23:07
  So that we, so then we go into episode 6 and they're kind of
• 1:23:10
  like they're at the convenience store and they're like eating.
• 1:23:14
  And they were having this like super deep heart to heart.
• 1:23:18
  And she was basically saying like, you're not the type of
• 1:23:21
  person that like gives up, like you won't go down.
• 1:23:24
  And I just never forgot. That's a really good scene and
• 1:23:28
  they reference that a lot, references and like they still
• 1:23:30
  they replay that scene. Yes, a lot and she's like you
• 1:23:33
  won't go down and because he up until this point, it's just like
• 1:23:37
  he's he's honestly just like he walks through life in a daze
• 1:23:40
  like he even the way he walks, he can see that he's been beaten
• 1:23:43
  down by life. He's such a zombie.
• 1:23:45
  He's such a zombie, just like floating through life and she's
• 1:23:48
  like, you won't go down. Like basically you're telling
• 1:23:50
  him like you're stronger than you think you are.
• 1:23:51
  And the fact that this is she barely knows the guy, right?
• 1:23:54
  She barely knows. She's observed in him.
• 1:23:56
  This is like their first time really talking, but she was able
• 1:23:59
  to observe that and call that out in him.
• 1:24:01
  Beautiful scene. I love that scene so.
• 1:24:03
  Much. I love that scene too because he
• 1:24:04
  had told her this story just before she tells him.
• 1:24:06
  You won't go down. He tells a story about him
• 1:24:10
  trying to enter this provincial track race competition and they
• 1:24:14
  were giving out. If just for competing, just for
• 1:24:17
  participating, he would get like a 300,000 won scholarship.
• 1:24:21
  He goes, if I entered that competition, it was provincial
• 1:24:25
  and I was 3 seconds slower than the slowest runner.
• 1:24:28
  He was like, there was no chance I was going to win that even
• 1:24:30
  though just participating would get me a scholarship.
• 1:24:34
  He said those 3 seconds gave him anxiety.
• 1:24:36
  He had stomach aches, he was laid up with a headache and he
• 1:24:39
  quit before he even tried. He never even entered.
• 1:24:42
  And he says since birth I've always been weak willed.
• 1:24:46
  Like he really deeply understands.
• 1:24:48
  Himself. Yeah, he does.
• 1:24:51
  That's when she says, I know you, you're not.
• 1:24:53
  You're not going to go down. That's not going to take you
• 1:24:56
  out. Nothing's going to take you out.
• 1:24:58
  You might sway a little bit, but you're not going down.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah. And it was this like, moment of
• 1:25:03
  like, full confidence. And yeah, it it touches him
• 1:25:06
  deeply that she has faith in him.
• 1:25:10
  Yeah, and she sees him. For who he is.
• 1:25:14
  She doesn't know him, I don't know him, but she's able to
• 1:25:17
  really see who he is on the inside.
• 1:25:20
  That's probably like the most he's felt seen in a very long
• 1:25:23
  time. Talking about the way she
• 1:25:25
  speaks, she speaks very bluntly to everybody around her.
• 1:25:31
  And at first he's kind of like, I like that about you.
• 1:25:34
  In fact, he sort of makes, I don't think it's a joke, but
• 1:25:38
  it's almost like an ironic you speak.
• 1:25:40
  So he says she has a kind way of speaking, like pretty way of
• 1:25:45
  speaking. And she's like, no, I don't like
• 1:25:48
  you're not being serious. You don't actually like the way
• 1:25:51
  I speak because I'm constantly reading people for filth.
• 1:25:54
  Yeah. And he says that's he's, she's
• 1:25:58
  doing this to him too. Like the whole show as well.
• 1:26:00
  Yeah. And he says in Episode 5, does
• 1:26:04
  it feel good to just say whatever's on your mind?
• 1:26:07
  It may seem people hold themselves back because they're
• 1:26:09
  dumb, but if you say everything that's on your mind, you have to
• 1:26:12
  watch others get hurt by what you say.
• 1:26:14
  Some people find it harder than holding back, so they try hard
• 1:26:18
  not to say anything. And that's what I mean by this
• 1:26:20
  show is very empathetic. That's for empaths because he is
• 1:26:24
  so deeply feeling he's considering somebody else's
• 1:26:26
  feelings and doesn't want to hurt somebody else's feelings,
• 1:26:29
  even if he is correct and true and right to say whatever it is.
• 1:26:36
  And she doesn't care about that. She's like, just, I don't care.
• 1:26:40
  I'm going to say what I'm going to say.
• 1:26:42
  I think at first he was very entertained by her openness and
• 1:26:46
  candor. But as the show went on, he's
• 1:26:49
  like, I'm, I'm not sitting here and not saying anything because
• 1:26:53
  I'm dumb. Exactly.
• 1:26:55
  You know, I'm reading the room. So he kind of clocks her too
• 1:26:59
  with that because he's like, maybe you should consider other
• 1:27:01
  people's feelings more. And they learned from each
• 1:27:05
  other. Beautiful.
• 1:27:07
  Is there another scene that you love?
• 1:27:09
  Yeah, I love their kiss scene because it was so just speaking
• 1:27:14
  to Dongjin's gentleness. I don't know what it is about
• 1:27:17
  this scene, but like I'll never forget like when he was like
• 1:27:20
  holding her face and he was like caressing her face like with his
• 1:27:23
  thumb like and he was just like looking at her the.
• 1:27:25
  Form was impeccable. Oh my gosh.
• 1:27:27
  And he was just. And it's beautiful.
• 1:27:31
  It was beautiful. What is that?
• 1:27:35
  That's episode 12. So good and again, like we
• 1:27:39
  waited speaking to the school burn.
• 1:27:41
  It's like we waited till episode 12 but then.
• 1:27:45
  They kiss in his apartment which this was a whole like song and
• 1:27:48
  dance too because her brother starts staying with the male
• 1:27:53
  lead. Secretly, he like runs away from
• 1:27:55
  home and he starts staying with the male lead.
• 1:27:58
  And so when he leaves, he leaves all this stuff behind at the
• 1:28:00
  house. So there was always a question
• 1:28:03
  of, hey, can I come by and pick up my brother's stuff?
• 1:28:06
  It's so loaded like that question because then it's like,
• 1:28:09
  I got to go inside your house. I always loved that question.
• 1:28:15
  There was a point where she asked him and he says you don't
• 1:28:20
  have to do that anymore. Feeling people out.
• 1:28:22
  I mean, if you want to come, you can come anytime.
• 1:28:25
  I'll be waiting. I, I screamed at that.
• 1:28:29
  I screamed at that. Like I was.
• 1:28:33
  Like, but going back to she's finally in the house in episode
• 1:28:39
  12, they kiss, but then they they go full on have sex.
• 1:28:44
  Yeah, it's tasteful. It's just you don't see
• 1:28:47
  anything. But anyway, they do have sex in
• 1:28:48
  the house. And I was like, wow, this is a
• 1:28:51
  really grown show. It's so.
• 1:28:53
  Grown. There's something about it
• 1:28:55
  that's just grown. Yes, exactly.
• 1:28:58
  It was just very mature and peaceful and just the way it was
• 1:29:00
  done. I'm like wow, this is so
• 1:29:04
  beautiful, so beautiful. I also so the X so we touched on
• 1:29:09
  her. So the X basically like they
• 1:29:12
  literally live across the hall from each other like they're
• 1:29:15
  neighbors and she's an alcoholic.
• 1:29:18
  And I thought it was interesting when we found out that the mom
• 1:29:21
  was also basically trying to I guess scam her as well, like
• 1:29:25
  harassing her for money. Which?
• 1:29:28
  Was wild which stressed the X out a lot which is why she was
• 1:29:32
  acting crazy as well. But I'm just like, why didn't
• 1:29:35
  you just tell her that you're his mom was like harassing you
• 1:29:39
  Like I it was it was wild. And like, again, to the evil
• 1:29:43
  mom, I'm just like, what is wrong with this lady?
• 1:29:45
  But terrorizing everyone involved.
• 1:29:48
  But the ex I, yeah, well before I knew that she was being
• 1:29:52
  harassed as well. I mean, it doesn't excuse her
• 1:29:54
  behavior, but I was like, no wonder she's acting so unhinged.
• 1:29:57
  But. That mom was a huge reason why
• 1:30:01
  they broke up really. Or that she actually decided to
• 1:30:05
  go on some blind date and it worked out and she was dating
• 1:30:09
  this other guy for a year before they officially broke it off.
• 1:30:13
  Crazy. And the mom, I really think when
• 1:30:17
  she came back when talking about the ex, when the ex came back
• 1:30:20
  after being abroad and that other relationship not working
• 1:30:23
  out, she didn't get married. Yeah.
• 1:30:26
  I truly think it's what she said, she said.
• 1:30:29
  I came back looking for comfort and I thought he would take me
• 1:30:33
  back. And this whole thing about the
• 1:30:37
  mother, the mistress character begging for money and like,
• 1:30:42
  panhandling and constantly borrowing money from the ex
• 1:30:47
  would have been resolved had they gotten back together.
• 1:30:51
  Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:30:53
  So she was kind of like, it's his mom, I can't say no.
• 1:30:57
  I want to be on her good side, so on and so forth.
• 1:31:00
  She didn't have the backbone of Shimuju, who would never, I
• 1:31:06
  mean, never in a million years, even if it was no bad blood.
• 1:31:10
  Yeah, let that woman walk all over her and steal all this
• 1:31:13
  money from her. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:31:16
  It was wild. It was wild.
• 1:31:18
  I didn't love that they alluded to the fact that the CEO guy and
• 1:31:23
  her were like, gonna get together.
• 1:31:26
  I thought that was a very weird connection to make.
• 1:31:29
  I wouldn't have done that. But yeah, the tone and the way
• 1:31:32
  that they ended that guy was like, I'm bad for her.
• 1:31:37
  And I'm like, but Donjan's your best friend.
• 1:31:39
  No. Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  I was like, this isn't I? This isn't strange.
• 1:31:42
  Yeah. That's what are we doing here.
• 1:31:43
  Restrikes the mom should have been dead.
• 1:31:49
  Would you should have been the oldest sibling.
• 1:31:52
  What the hell is the Co CEO bestie doing with the
• 1:31:55
  ex-girlfriend? Like why?
• 1:31:57
  Like go get with somebody. Else no.
• 1:32:00
  What are you doing? I was like, what?
• 1:32:03
  I know there's after everything that she put him through, why
• 1:32:06
  would like that? And then you just why are you
• 1:32:10
  sleeping with your best friend's girl?
• 1:32:12
  Ex girl. It's strange.
• 1:32:13
  That's breaking a code. It is.
• 1:32:15
  It breaks a code. The bro code, the friend code I
• 1:32:19
  don't. Care all the codes, all the
• 1:32:20
  codes like. Don't do that.
• 1:32:22
  It's icky. I don't.
• 1:32:23
  I don't believe in that. Yeah, you just what?
• 1:32:27
  And then she cheated. But never mind you.
• 1:32:30
  You want to be with a cheater? Right, exactly.
• 1:32:33
  I was like, I did not understand that.
• 1:32:35
  I know we're talking in and out about like extending grace, but
• 1:32:38
  like the patterns of. Her wisdom, right?
• 1:32:42
  Like they're also wisdom. It's just like, why don't you?
• 1:32:44
  You don't think she's gonna cheat on you?
• 1:32:45
  Exactly. And also, this is your best
• 1:32:47
  friend's ex. That terror like literally like,
• 1:32:49
  caused one of the many reasons why he was so depressed.
• 1:32:52
  Also, that man was not smart. OK, the G Wagon situation, he
• 1:32:56
  was not smart. Just sell your car.
• 1:33:00
  That's why he was so pressed when Dongjin is like, I want to
• 1:33:02
  cash out, I want to leave the company, like just transfer my
• 1:33:07
  shares. And he was pressed because he
• 1:33:09
  didn't do any work at the company.
• 1:33:11
  He was just posting along. And now Dongjin is leaving.
• 1:33:15
  He has to do everything on his own and leave this the ship.
• 1:33:19
  No, he was he, he had to really step up there.
• 1:33:23
  He had to really step up. And mind you, his excuse for
• 1:33:26
  bringing in the X IT to work at the company was, oh, she has art
• 1:33:29
  expertise. Yeah.
• 1:33:31
  And we're going to do a function, a trade show revolving
• 1:33:35
  art. And so we need her input, her
• 1:33:38
  expertise. Do we?
• 1:33:40
  There was nobody else. There was nobody else like
• 1:33:44
  there. Was no one else there?
• 1:33:45
  Was no one else. But the ex that traumatized him?
• 1:33:48
  Mind you, I don't know what her work situation was, if she came
• 1:33:51
  from money or what. Because she wasn't working.
• 1:33:54
  I was on the. Impression that she had to come
• 1:33:56
  from money because I was a really nice apartment and she
• 1:33:58
  was abroad all that time so I feel like she just had money.
• 1:34:01
  So then she came back and got what she had an she had a job
• 1:34:04
  lined up. She went back to her old job.
• 1:34:06
  She was some sort of curator, some sort of museum position,
• 1:34:09
  and they were like, oh, she doesn't come all the time.
• 1:34:12
  Like you know what I'm saying? What was she doing?
• 1:34:17
  Nothing. She wasn't doing anything.
• 1:34:19
  It wasn't. Even like oh she's part time, oh
• 1:34:22
  she doesn't work here anymore. Oh no, they were like she she's
• 1:34:26
  not in all the time. I was like they hate her ass.
• 1:34:31
  She doesn't do any work. She does not work anyway.
• 1:34:36
  I love the moment when first of all there was another big op in
• 1:34:41
  this show and it was CEO Shin, the guy that was literally out
• 1:34:45
  to ruin their company purposely. His mission in life was to ruin
• 1:34:50
  their company and I and I got that.
• 1:34:52
  It's AK drama. I didn't mind him at all.
• 1:34:55
  He does swing at Wuju's head with a big rock.
• 1:35:00
  Yes. And she doesn't dodge him even
• 1:35:03
  though she could and get struck in the head 5 stitches.
• 1:35:07
  So I love that moment when our merely Tongjin runs to the
• 1:35:13
  hospital to see her. He starts squaring up with the
• 1:35:18
  CEO Shin, who's looking shell shocked in the waiting area.
• 1:35:22
  And I was like, you know, the bestie, the Co CEO should not
• 1:35:28
  have held him back. Let him, let him go, let him do
• 1:35:31
  what he needs. To do he's already in the
• 1:35:33
  hospital. If any damage is done he can
• 1:35:36
  just get patched up right then and there.
• 1:35:39
  Why are we blocking this man from laying hands on CEO Shin?
• 1:35:43
  Right? So I had and then second of all,
• 1:35:46
  I don't believe that the Co CEO bestie could hold him back.
• 1:35:51
  Yeah, I know. I don't think so either.
• 1:35:53
  No, no, not at all. I was like that man, 62 like he
• 1:35:57
  and you know, he looks solid. Yes, he's a solid, you know what
• 1:36:01
  I'm saying? It's not a lanky mouse.
• 1:36:03
  He's 62. Yeah, No, he's, he's, he's
• 1:36:06
  solid. He.
• 1:36:06
  Looked like a man, you know, which I don't.
• 1:36:10
  I don't mean to start blushing right now, but I appreciate
• 1:36:14
  that. Me too, I fell in love with him
• 1:36:16
  in the show. I was like, I'm watching every
• 1:36:18
  Kim Young Kwan show. I know I'm.
• 1:36:21
  I'm a fan, yeah. Anyway, so he goes in finally to
• 1:36:25
  see her and she's got 5 stitches.
• 1:36:27
  He starts stroking her face. He's so.
• 1:36:30
  Gentle. And she says she's sorry.
• 1:36:35
  And you know, she meant it when he, she said he, she wanted him
• 1:36:38
  to have a lead, a comfortable life.
• 1:36:40
  Yeah. And he's like, man, let's just
• 1:36:43
  have an ordinary conversation. I'm sick of being told I'm
• 1:36:46
  sorry. I'm sick of saying I'm sorry,
• 1:36:49
  like let's just rewind and talk about something mundane.
• 1:36:52
  And she goes, well, I'm hungry. So I love this interaction.
• 1:36:58
  It was very homey. Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  You know. Love it.
• 1:37:02
  And talking about siblings, the sibling relationship, it's when
• 1:37:06
  they go out to eat after her hospital stay, her little ER
• 1:37:10
  visit. She says that she's just an
• 1:37:14
  outright lie to her siblings about what happened to her face.
• 1:37:17
  And she's going to say, oh, that I fell.
• 1:37:19
  They won't believe it, but they'll accept her lie.
• 1:37:23
  And I was like, oh, where are we going with this?
• 1:37:25
  She says that they pretend not to notice issues that they're
• 1:37:29
  going through so that their sibling relationship is quite
• 1:37:32
  shallow. The quote is it became a habit
• 1:37:35
  at some point so we don't have deep conversations.
• 1:37:39
  And I was like. That's a lot.
• 1:37:44
  That's saying a lot about how they interact with each other
• 1:37:48
  and how they feel like they're doing each other.
• 1:37:51
  A kindness in letting them off, you know, not having the tough
• 1:37:57
  conversations, absolutely confronting each other, really
• 1:38:02
  being present in each other's lives.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah. And they're like, no, it's over
• 1:38:07
  the years. They just don't talk.
• 1:38:10
  Yeah. And I thought that was very
• 1:38:12
  powerful it. Really is it's it's she.
• 1:38:14
  Even, like, recognizes that and she's like, well, you know, we
• 1:38:16
  don't. We're not asking tough questions
• 1:38:19
  about each other. Yeah.
• 1:38:20
  We're not demanding truth. It sucks.
• 1:38:24
  Do you want to talk about, like, their reunion?
• 1:38:26
  Well, cats finally out of the bag at the end of episode 13.
• 1:38:29
  Yes, it's the whole thing of like the sister Hey Song sniffs
• 1:38:33
  out that there's tension between Wuju and Yunjin, the second male
• 1:38:38
  lead, and then the second male lead tells her the truth of who
• 1:38:41
  the CEO Tongjin is and what's the bad blood.
• 1:38:46
  Then the sister tells the rest of family.
• 1:38:47
  Wuju finally tells Tongjin about everything, and she does it in
• 1:38:52
  front of the house. He doesn't get mad at all.
• 1:38:55
  He says it must have been hard on her all by herself.
• 1:38:58
  And he's he's only sad and sorry about the entire situation
• 1:39:02
  because of of course his mother has ruined his life again.
• 1:39:06
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:39:07
  And he hugs her and it's just so hot.
• 1:39:10
  Awful because they can't be together.
• 1:39:12
  Yeah. She's like, sobbing, like
• 1:39:15
  through tears and tells him, you know, my family knows who you
• 1:39:19
  are. I was hoping to keep this from
• 1:39:21
  them and she said, I don't I don't think we can really see
• 1:39:24
  each other anymore. And they're hugging each other
• 1:39:28
  like the ship going down. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:39:31
  Like for dear life. And she let's go of him, loosens
• 1:39:36
  her grip on him, and then he let's go to.
• 1:39:38
  And that moment, it's just like that moment is so.
• 1:39:45
  Again, it speaks to the themes of like, forgiveness in the show
• 1:39:48
  when it's just like, man, that was a really beautiful scene.
• 1:39:52
  And also like his frustration and disappointment and his mom
• 1:39:56
  yet again. And she just cannot stop.
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  Like she cannot stop ruining lives.
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  Let's talk about the mom for one more 2nd and it's when she shows
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  up back at his house. He's She's been kind of like in
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  and out of Tong Jin's apartment in the last few episodes, but
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  she comes back after he gets the will from his uncle.
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  He calls him uncle in the show. It's really an ex stepdad
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  because he was married to the mom at some point.
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  I love the relationship. I love that relationship.
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  As well. Sweet.
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  Beautiful. So he comes home to his mom
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  eating in his house. She was missing Mia.
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  She had changed her number. He was trying to get a hold of
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  her. He didn't know where she was.
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  It was this whole freaking thing.
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  He tells her he was thankful that he doesn't resemble her
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  because when she, you know, started on her bullshit when he
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  was younger, he says he spent hours looking in the mirror
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  trying to see if there was anything of her in him.
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  And he was relieved that, no, he was nothing like her and that he
• 1:40:55
  never called her mother even though he wanted to.
• 1:40:59
  But there's so much layers to that.
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  I don't know. And then he tells her she goes.
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  Everybody is like, unhappy. Basically.
• 1:41:07
  Everybody's like this. Everybody is like kind of sad
• 1:41:09
  all day long, and she's doing this, I guess, in defense of her
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  actions. She's trying to say, well, you
• 1:41:17
  were kind of never going to have a great life because everyone's
• 1:41:19
  pretty shitty. She just can't take
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  accountability. No.
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  And what? He says.
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  I'm telling you that I was unhappy.
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  I'm telling you that I've never been happy.
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  Such a sad. Scene.
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  It was a horrible, sad scene and I loved every second of it
• 1:41:37
  because she really kind of gets it.
• 1:41:40
  After that, that's how your actions have impacted your son.
• 1:41:43
  Yes, and there's something to it also of like generational curses
• 1:41:49
  all around. Yep, in each family.
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  Is there anything else you'd like to talk about?
• 1:41:53
  I think you want to talk about their reunion.
• 1:41:55
  Oh yeah. I just love the reunion scene
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  because it's a, it's a year later, I believe, after they had
• 1:42:01
  that beautiful breakup scene that we talked about earlier.
• 1:42:04
  They reunited at the Little Brothers concert.
• 1:42:07
  Random side storyline Little brother has been trying to find
• 1:42:10
  his way the whole show. I I think he was in school,
• 1:42:12
  right? And then he dropped out.
• 1:42:13
  He was. Studying for like a civil
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  servants because, yeah, civil servants, sorry, civil service
• 1:42:23
  exam, Yeah. And he have failed the first
• 1:42:26
  time by like just three points. And so he was back to studying
• 1:42:31
  and he quit that. He quit studying for this civil
• 1:42:34
  service exam, Yeah, and decides I'm gonna be a singer.
• 1:42:39
  And he sang beautifully. He can't be a singer.
• 1:42:43
  Yeah, yeah, that's not gonna happen.
• 1:42:45
  I know. But he's pursuing music now, and
• 1:42:47
  he's having a little showcase or whatever.
• 1:42:50
  Right? Right.
• 1:42:51
  He invited Dong Jin, you know, Of course, Wuju's coming as
• 1:42:54
  well. We just see, Oh my gosh, the way
• 1:42:57
  that they filmed it was beautiful because first of all,
• 1:43:00
  the whole show is in muted tone. The whole show is pretty much
• 1:43:03
  Gray, right? But in this scene, this, this
• 1:43:06
  final scene of the show that you can see that the sky is blue.
• 1:43:09
  We see like these colorful balloons like we, we finally see
• 1:43:12
  color. And so they're both at the
• 1:43:15
  concert and they see each other through the crowd and we just
• 1:43:18
  see them look at each other. And then the next scene is like
• 1:43:22
  basically they kind of break. They kind of like run into each
• 1:43:26
  other and like, they're like laughing and like joking with
• 1:43:29
  each other and the joy, the joy and the colors and all the
• 1:43:34
  things you could just see like all the burdens have been lifted
• 1:43:38
  and they can be together and be healthy and be happy.
• 1:43:42
  And because they've gone on their individual journeys and
• 1:43:46
  just to see them both smile, it was just beautiful.
• 1:43:49
  It was so beautiful. I it's also kind of one of those
• 1:43:52
  endings that kind of leave you, it's like up to interpretation,
• 1:43:56
  right? Because people interpreted that
• 1:43:57
  last scene in like different ways for sure.
• 1:44:00
  But it was really beautiful. Yes, I loved the cinematography
• 1:44:05
  change and the way that they met back up and it was giving.
• 1:44:11
  Healed, it was giving fresh start, It was giving.
• 1:44:15
  I'm ready to accept this relationship and to welcome you
• 1:44:19
  back. And you know, we're all
• 1:44:21
  forgiven. Water under the bridge and let's
• 1:44:25
  live life in color, yes? Let's live life in color, yes?
• 1:44:28
  That's what I was giving. And honestly, if you've seen my
• 1:44:31
  Mr. it was the same vibe, right? These people that look so morose
• 1:44:37
  throughout the whole show, so sort of destitute, emotionally
• 1:44:42
  destitute. The whole show, they are happy.
• 1:44:46
  Finally there's joy in their life.
• 1:44:50
  It's a beautiful little moment. It is up to interpretation in
• 1:44:54
  terms of did they get back together?
• 1:44:56
  You know, are they married with two kids?
• 1:44:59
  What's going on? You can leave that up to
• 1:45:01
  interpretation, but I do feel that they got back together and
• 1:45:04
  the family was OK with yes by now.
• 1:45:08
  Yes, by now they should be, yeah.
• 1:45:11
  So beautiful show, Naz. Is there anything else you'd
• 1:45:14
  like to add? I don't think so.
• 1:45:16
  Just if you haven't watched this show, like just said, it's
• 1:45:19
  underrated. I think more people need to
• 1:45:20
  watch this. It's so beautiful.
• 1:45:23
  Yeah. And so quiet and so healing.
• 1:45:26
  If you haven't watched it already, please do.
• 1:45:28
  It's so, so good. Naz, thank you so much for
• 1:45:31
  revisiting Call It Love. Where can people find you
• 1:45:35
  online? Well, first of all, thank you so
• 1:45:36
  much for having me on. I I love talking with you and
• 1:45:39
  it's been so long. So thank you for having me on to
• 1:45:41
  talk about this amazing show. But yes, you can find us at
• 1:45:45
  Swoon Diaries Pod on Instagram and we are also the Swoon
• 1:45:49
  Diaries podcast on Apple and Spotify as well.
• 1:45:53
  Perfect, thank you so much. Please follow Swoon Diaries,
• 1:45:58
  they are amazing. And that's it.
• 1:46:00
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 1:46:03
  the Tiba Kay Rambles podcast.