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S8, Ep 20: Behind the Scenes: Mark Melnyk's Adventure with The New Fly Fisher - The Articulate Fly · The Long Haul with The Articulate Fly

• 0:04
  Hey
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  folks,
• 0:04
  it's
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  Marvin
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  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  of
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  The
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  Articulate
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  Fly.
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  On
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  this
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  episode,
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
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  Mark
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  Melnyk,
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  the
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  driving
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  force
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  behind
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  The
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  New
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  Fly
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  Fisher.
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  Mark
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  shares
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  his
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  serendipitous
• 0:14
  journey
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  to
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  The
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  New
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  Fly
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  Fisher,
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  we
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  take
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  a
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  look
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  behind
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  the
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  scenes
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  and
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  Mark
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  gives
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  us
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  a
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  sneak
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  peek
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  at
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  upcoming
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  think
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  you're
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  really
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  enjoy
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  interview,
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  to
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  our
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  interview.
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  Well,
• 1:14
  Mark,
• 1:15
  welcome
• 1:15
  to
• 1:15
  The
• 1:15
  Articulate
• 1:16
  Fly.
• 1:17
  Thanks
• 1:17
  for
• 1:17
  having
• 1:18
  me,
• 1:18
  Marvin.
• 1:18
  Appreciate
• 1:19
  it.
• 1:19
  Yeah,
• 1:19
  I'm
• 1:19
  looking
• 1:20
  forward
• 1:20
  to
• 1:20
  it.
• 1:20
  And
• 1:20
  you
• 1:20
  always
• 1:20
  like
• 1:21
  to
• 1:21
  ground
• 1:21
  these
• 1:21
  interviews
• 1:22
  and
• 1:22
  asking
• 1:22
  our
• 1:22
  guests
• 1:23
  to
• 1:23
  share
• 1:23
  their
• 1:23
  earliest
• 1:23
  fishing
• 1:24
  memory.
• 1:25
  Yeah,
• 1:26
  you
• 1:26
  know
• 1:26
  I,
• 1:26
  I
• 1:27
  was
• 1:27
  thinking
• 1:27
  about
• 1:27
  that
• 1:28
  leading
• 1:29
  up
• 1:29
  to
• 1:29
  this
• 1:29
  and,
• 1:30
  and
• 1:31
  I
• 1:31
  think
• 1:31
  the
• 1:31
  real
• 1:32
  first
• 1:32
  fishing
• 1:33
  memory
• 1:33
  I
• 1:33
  have,
• 1:33
  when
• 1:34
  I
• 1:34
  was
• 1:34
  a
• 1:34
  kid
• 1:34
  I'd
• 1:35
  spend
• 1:35
  my
• 1:35
  summers
• 1:36
  up
• 1:36
  at
• 1:36
  my
• 1:36
  grandparents
• 1:37
  cottage
• 1:37
  on
• 1:37
  Georgian
• 1:38
  Bay.
• 1:38
  And
• 1:38
  it's,
• 1:39
  it's
• 1:39
  a
• 1:39
  fantastic
• 1:39
  pike,
• 1:40
  muskie,
• 1:40
  smallmouth
• 1:41
  bass,
• 1:41
  walleye
• 1:42
  fishery.
• 1:43
  And
• 1:44
  you
• 1:45
  know,
• 1:45
  before,
• 1:46
  before
• 1:46
  the
• 1:46
  regular
• 1:46
  kids
• 1:47
  came
• 1:47
  up
• 1:48
  for
• 1:48
  the
• 1:48
  summer,
• 1:49
  I'd
• 1:49
  be
• 1:49
  up
• 1:49
  there
• 1:49
  on
• 1:49
  weekends
• 1:50
  and
• 1:50
  sometimes
• 1:50
  the
• 1:50
  kids
• 1:50
  weren't
• 1:51
  around
• 1:51
  so
• 1:51
  I'd
• 1:52
  preoccupy
• 1:53
  my
• 1:53
  time
• 1:53
  by
• 1:53
  fishing
• 1:53
  off
• 1:53
  the
• 1:54
  dock.
• 1:54
  So
• 1:55
  I'd
• 1:55
  have
• 1:55
  a
• 1:55
  little,
• 1:55
  you
• 1:56
  know,
• 1:57
  spin
• 1:57
  caster
• 1:58
  or,
• 1:58
  or
• 1:58
  whatever
• 1:59
  those
• 1:59
  little
• 1:59
  kid
• 1:59
  kid
• 2:00
  rod
• 2:00
  and
• 2:00
  reels
• 2:01
  are
• 2:01
  called.
• 2:01
  And
• 2:02
  I
• 2:02
  tie
• 2:02
  a
• 2:02
  leader
• 2:03
  on
• 2:03
  and
• 2:03
  a
• 2:03
  MEPs
• 2:04
  and
• 2:04
  I
• 2:04
  just
• 2:04
  sit
• 2:04
  on
• 2:05
  the
• 2:05
  dock
• 2:05
  and
• 2:05
  I
• 2:05
  just,
• 2:06
  you
• 2:06
  know,
• 2:07
  watch
• 2:07
  that
• 2:08
  MEPs
• 2:08
  spin
• 2:08
  in
• 2:08
  the
• 2:09
  water.
• 2:09
  And
• 2:10
  one
• 2:10
  afternoon
• 2:11
  I
• 2:11
  was
• 2:12
  doing
• 2:12
  that
• 2:13
  and
• 2:13
  a
• 2:14
  giant
• 2:14
  northern
• 2:14
  came
• 2:14
  up
• 2:15
  from
• 2:15
  under
• 2:15
  the
• 2:15
  dock
• 2:15
  and
• 2:16
  ate
• 2:16
  it
• 2:16
  and
• 2:17
  I
• 2:17
  called
• 2:18
  for
• 2:18
  my
• 2:18
  grandparents
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  up
• 2:19
  at
• 2:19
  the
• 2:19
  cottage.
• 2:20
  It's
• 2:20
  quite
• 2:20
  a
• 2:20
  little
• 2:20
  hike
• 2:21
  up
• 2:21
  the
• 2:21
  rock
• 2:21
  to
• 2:21
  get
• 2:21
  to
• 2:22
  the,
• 2:22
  to
• 2:23
  the
• 2:23
  cabin
• 2:23
  and
• 2:24
  get
• 2:24
  the
• 2:24
  net.
• 2:24
  Get
• 2:25
  the
• 2:25
  net.
• 2:25
  And
• 2:25
  they
• 2:25
  just
• 2:25
  thought
• 2:26
  I
• 2:26
  was
• 2:26
  total,
• 2:27
  you
• 2:27
  Know,
• 2:27
  kind
• 2:28
  of
• 2:28
  thing.
• 2:28
  And
• 2:28
  then
• 2:28
  when
• 2:28
  they
• 2:29
  saw
• 2:29
  that
• 2:29
  this
• 2:29
  little
• 2:30
  Zebco
• 2:31
  spin
• 2:31
  caster
• 2:32
  was
• 2:32
  doubled
• 2:32
  over,
• 2:32
  they
• 2:33
  came
• 2:33
  flying
• 2:33
  down
• 2:34
  and
• 2:34
  the
• 2:34
  end
• 2:35
  of
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  story
• 2:35
  was
• 2:35
  a
• 2:36
  five
• 2:36
  year
• 2:36
  old
• 2:36
  kid
• 2:36
  with
• 2:37
  a,
• 2:38
  you
• 2:38
  know,
• 2:38
  12
• 2:38
  pound
• 2:39
  northern
• 2:39
  pike
• 2:39
  on
• 2:39
  a
• 2:39
  stringer.
• 2:40
  And
• 2:40
  it
• 2:40
  was,
• 2:41
  that
• 2:42
  was
• 2:42
  the,
• 2:42
  that
• 2:42
  was
• 2:42
  the
• 2:43
  fish
• 2:43
  that
• 2:43
  got
• 2:43
  me
• 2:43
  hooked.
• 2:44
  Marvin.
• 2:44
  That
• 2:45
  was,
• 2:45
  I
• 2:45
  was
• 2:46
  scared
• 2:47
  and
• 2:47
  exhilarated
• 2:48
  as
• 2:48
  I
• 2:49
  think
• 2:49
  I've
• 2:49
  ever
• 2:49
  been.
• 2:49
  It
• 2:50
  was,
• 2:50
  it
• 2:50
  was
• 2:50
  pretty
• 2:50
  awesome.
• 2:51
  Yeah,
• 2:51
  that's
• 2:52
  super
• 2:52
  neat.
• 2:52
  So
• 2:52
  when
• 2:52
  did
• 2:53
  you
• 2:53
  come
• 2:53
  to
• 2:53
  the
• 2:53
  dark
• 2:53
  side
• 2:53
  of
• 2:54
  fly
• 2:54
  fishing?
• 2:55
  Yeah,
• 2:56
  my,
• 2:57
  my
• 2:58
  parents
• 2:58
  divorced
• 2:59
  when
• 2:59
  I
• 2:59
  was
• 2:59
  4
• 2:59
  and
• 2:59
  my
• 2:59
  mom
• 3:00
  remarried
• 3:00
  when
• 3:00
  I
• 3:00
  was
• 3:01
  12
• 3:01
  and
• 3:02
  we
• 3:02
  moved
• 3:03
  to
• 3:03
  this,
• 3:04
  this
• 3:04
  place
• 3:05
  that
• 3:06
  had
• 3:06
  access
• 3:06
  to
• 3:07
  a
• 3:07
  local
• 3:08
  creek
• 3:08
  river
• 3:11
  really
• 3:11
  close
• 3:11
  to
• 3:11
  the
• 3:11
  house.
• 3:12
  And
• 3:13
  one
• 3:13
  day
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  was
• 3:13
  down
• 3:13
  there
• 3:14
  at
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  park
• 3:14
  and
• 3:15
  I
• 3:15
  saw
• 3:15
  these
• 3:15
  guys
• 3:16
  whipping
• 3:16
  these,
• 3:16
  you
• 3:17
  know,
• 3:17
  whippy
• 3:17
  sticks
• 3:18
  around
• 3:18
  and
• 3:18
  I
• 3:18
  went
• 3:18
  up
• 3:19
  and
• 3:19
  asked
• 3:19
  them,
• 3:19
  what
• 3:20
  is
• 3:20
  that?
• 3:20
  Well,
• 3:21
  it's
• 3:21
  fly
• 3:21
  fishing.
• 3:21
  And
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  was
• 3:22
  about
• 3:23
  12
• 3:23
  years
• 3:23
  old
• 3:24
  and
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  asked
• 3:25
  him,
• 3:25
  where
• 3:26
  do
• 3:26
  I,
• 3:26
  where
• 3:26
  do
• 3:26
  I
• 3:26
  buy
• 3:26
  a
• 3:27
  fly
• 3:27
  fishing
• 3:27
  rod
• 3:27
  that
• 3:27
  looks
• 3:28
  fun?
• 3:28
  And
• 3:28
  they
• 3:28
  said,
• 3:28
  we'll
• 3:28
  go
• 3:29
  to
• 3:29
  your
• 3:29
  local
• 3:30
  Canadian
• 3:30
  tire,
• 3:30
  which
• 3:30
  kind
• 3:31
  of,
• 3:31
  kind
• 3:31
  of
• 3:31
  like
• 3:31
  a
• 3:32
  catch
• 3:32
  all
• 3:33
  for
• 3:33
  anything.
• 3:33
  You
• 3:33
  get
• 3:34
  marriage
• 3:34
  licenses
• 3:35
  and
• 3:35
  guns
• 3:35
  and
• 3:35
  you
• 3:36
  know,
• 3:36
  tires
• 3:37
  and
• 3:37
  all
• 3:37
  that
• 3:37
  kind
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  stuff.
• 3:38
  And
• 3:39
  so
• 3:39
  my
• 3:40
  first
• 3:40
  fly
• 3:40
  rod
• 3:41
  for
• 3:41
  stream
• 3:41
  trout,
• 3:42
  stream
• 3:43
  rainbows,
• 3:44
  browns
• 3:44
  and
• 3:45
  brookies
• 3:45
  that
• 3:46
  are
• 3:46
  only,
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  know,
• 3:47
  8
• 3:47
  inches,
• 3:48
  8
• 3:48
  inches
• 3:48
  big
• 3:48
  if,
• 3:49
  if
• 3:49
  we're
• 3:49
  lucky,
• 3:50
  was
• 3:50
  a,
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  Royal
• 3:51
  Coachman
• 3:52
  8
• 3:52
  weight.
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  bought,
• 3:53
  I
• 3:54
  bought
• 3:54
  an
• 3:54
  8
• 3:54
  weight
• 3:54
  of
• 3:55
  my
• 3:55
  first
• 3:55
  fly
• 3:55
  rod.
• 3:56
  Didn't
• 3:56
  know
• 3:56
  how
• 3:56
  to,
• 3:57
  didn't
• 3:57
  know
• 3:57
  what
• 3:57
  to
• 3:57
  do.
• 3:58
  Tied
• 3:58
  the
• 3:59
  fly
• 4:00
  line
• 4:00
  right
• 4:00
  to
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  reel,
• 4:01
  no
• 4:01
  backing.
• 4:03
  Went
• 4:03
  and
• 4:03
  bought
• 4:04
  a
• 4:05
  how
• 4:05
  to
• 4:06
  fly
• 4:07
  tying
• 4:07
  kit
• 4:07
  and
• 4:08
  started
• 4:08
  tying
• 4:08
  my
• 4:08
  own
• 4:08
  nymphs
• 4:09
  and
• 4:09
  started
• 4:09
  catching
• 4:10
  these
• 4:10
  little
• 4:11
  rainbows,
• 4:11
  browns
• 4:11
  and
• 4:12
  brookies
• 4:12
  on
• 4:12
  this
• 4:12
  little
• 4:13
  river
• 4:13
  that
• 4:13
  was
• 4:13
  real
• 4:13
  close
• 4:13
  to
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  house.
• 4:14
  So
• 4:15
  it
• 4:15
  was,
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  taught
• 4:16
  myself
• 4:16
  a
• 4:17
  lot
• 4:17
  of
• 4:17
  bad
• 4:17
  lessons
• 4:17
  in
• 4:18
  those
• 4:18
  years,
• 4:18
  I'll
• 4:18
  tell
• 4:18
  you
• 4:18
  that
• 4:19
  much
• 4:19
  for
• 4:19
  free.
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  didn't
• 4:19
  have
• 4:20
  any
• 4:20
  guidance
• 4:20
  at
• 4:20
  all.
• 4:20
  You
• 4:21
  know,
• 4:21
  all
• 4:21
  my
• 4:21
  family
• 4:21
  were
• 4:21
  conventional
• 4:22
  anglers
• 4:22
  and,
• 4:23
  and
• 4:23
  yeah,
• 4:24
  it
• 4:24
  was
• 4:24
  just
• 4:25
  pile
• 4:25
  by
• 4:25
  fire.
• 4:25
  And
• 4:26
  what
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  rush
• 4:26
  though,
• 4:27
  when
• 4:27
  you,
• 4:27
  you
• 4:28
  catch
• 4:28
  your
• 4:28
  first
• 4:28
  fish
• 4:29
  on
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  first
• 4:29
  fly
• 4:29
  you
• 4:30
  tied.
• 4:30
  It
• 4:30
  was
• 4:31
  I,
• 4:31
  I
• 4:32
  can
• 4:32
  remember
• 4:32
  that,
• 4:32
  that
• 4:32
  brown
• 4:33
  trout
• 4:33
  for
• 4:33
  sure.
• 4:34
  Yeah.
• 4:34
  And
• 4:34
  that's
• 4:34
  all
• 4:35
  pre
• 4:35
  Internet
• 4:35
  too,
• 4:35
  which
• 4:36
  is
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  totally
• 4:36
  different
• 4:36
  way
• 4:36
  to
• 4:37
  figure
• 4:37
  things
• 4:37
  out.
• 4:38
  Exactly.
• 4:39
  Yeah,
• 4:40
  it's,
• 4:40
  it's
• 4:41
  funny.
• 4:41
  So
• 4:41
  you
• 4:41
  know,
• 4:41
  if
• 4:41
  we
• 4:42
  talk
• 4:42
  about
• 4:42
  maybe
• 4:42
  mentorship,
• 4:43
  like
• 4:43
  up
• 4:43
  until
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  started
• 4:45
  working
• 4:45
  on
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  new
• 4:45
  fly
• 4:46
  fisher,
• 4:46
  who
• 4:46
  are
• 4:46
  some
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  folks
• 4:47
  that
• 4:47
  kind
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  mentored
• 4:47
  you
• 4:48
  on
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  fly
• 4:48
  fishing
• 4:48
  journey
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  what
• 4:50
  do
• 4:50
  they
• 4:50
  teach
• 4:50
  you,
• 4:51
  well,
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  know,
• 4:52
  I,
• 4:53
  I,
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  kind
• 4:53
  of
• 4:53
  fell
• 4:54
  into,
• 4:54
  so
• 4:54
  to
• 4:55
  back
• 4:55
  up
• 4:55
  a
• 4:55
  little
• 4:55
  bit,
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  fly
• 4:57
  fished
• 4:57
  a
• 4:57
  little
• 4:57
  bit
• 4:58
  when
• 4:58
  I
• 4:58
  started
• 4:58
  at
• 4:58
  12,
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  then,
• 4:59
  you
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:00
  got
• 5:00
  into
• 5:01
  high
• 5:01
  school
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  started
• 5:02
  doing
• 5:02
  other
• 5:02
  sports
• 5:02
  and
• 5:03
  rugby
• 5:03
  and
• 5:03
  swimming
• 5:04
  and,
• 5:04
  and,
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  things
• 5:05
  like
• 5:05
  that.
• 5:05
  And
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  fly
• 5:06
  rod
• 5:07
  got
• 5:07
  put
• 5:07
  away
• 5:07
  for
• 5:07
  a
• 5:08
  while.
• 5:08
  Then
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  went
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  university
• 5:09
  and
• 5:09
  drank
• 5:10
  beer
• 5:10
  and
• 5:10
  chased
• 5:10
  girls
• 5:11
  and,
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  fly
• 5:11
  rod
• 5:12
  stayed
• 5:12
  away
• 5:13
  for
• 5:13
  that.
• 5:13
  And
• 5:14
  then,
• 5:14
  you
• 5:14
  know,
• 5:14
  graduating
• 5:15
  university,
• 5:15
  you
• 5:16
  start
• 5:16
  your
• 5:16
  career
• 5:17
  and
• 5:17
  you
• 5:18
  know,
• 5:18
  so
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  didn't
• 5:18
  really
• 5:19
  pick
• 5:19
  up
• 5:19
  fly
• 5:19
  fishing
• 5:20
  again
• 5:21
  until
• 5:21
  around,
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  think
• 5:23
  around
• 5:23
  2010.
• 5:25
  So
• 5:25
  I
• 5:25
  went
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  long
• 5:26
  time
• 5:26
  without
• 5:26
  having
• 5:26
  to
• 5:27
  fly
• 5:27
  right
• 5:27
  in
• 5:27
  my
• 5:27
  hand.
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  would
• 5:28
  still,
• 5:28
  I
• 5:28
  would
• 5:28
  still
• 5:28
  fish
• 5:29
  on
• 5:29
  weekends
• 5:29
  at,
• 5:29
  at
• 5:30
  my
• 5:30
  family
• 5:30
  cottage,
• 5:31
  but,
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:31
  I
• 5:31
  didn't,
• 5:32
  it
• 5:32
  wasn't
• 5:32
  until
• 5:32
  I
• 5:33
  was
• 5:33
  doing
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  series
• 5:34
  called
• 5:35
  Real
• 5:36
  Road
• 5:36
  Trip,
• 5:37
  Real
• 5:37
  Jobs
• 5:38
  and
• 5:38
  guided
• 5:38
  those
• 5:39
  three
• 5:39
  TV
• 5:40
  series
• 5:40
  that
• 5:40
  I
• 5:40
  was
• 5:41
  starting
• 5:41
  to
• 5:41
  run
• 5:41
  with
• 5:42
  some
• 5:44
  pretty
• 5:44
  exceptional,
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  know,
• 5:46
  fly
• 5:46
  fishers.
• 5:47
  You
• 5:47
  know,
• 5:47
  there's,
• 5:48
  there's
• 5:48
  a,
• 5:49
  a
• 5:49
  guide
• 5:49
  in,
• 5:51
  in
• 5:51
  Key
• 5:51
  West,
• 5:51
  Florida,
• 5:52
  permit
• 5:52
  guide
• 5:53
  named
• 5:53
  Will
• 5:53
  Benson
• 5:53
  and
• 5:54
  you
• 5:54
  know,
• 5:54
  did
• 5:54
  a
• 5:55
  story
• 5:55
  on
• 5:55
  him
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  did,
• 5:56
  you
• 5:56
  know,
• 5:56
  did
• 5:56
  a
• 5:57
  story
• 5:57
  on
• 5:58
  Mike
• 5:58
  Gordon
• 5:59
  who
• 5:59
  owns,
• 5:59
  you
• 5:59
  know,
• 6:00
  a
• 6:00
  lodge
• 6:00
  up
• 6:01
  in
• 6:01
  Alaska
• 6:01
  and
• 6:01
  fishes
• 6:02
  for
• 6:02
  permit
• 6:02
  down
• 6:03
  in
• 6:03
  the
• 6:03
  Keys
• 6:03
  as
• 6:03
  well.
• 6:03
  And,
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  those
• 6:04
  guys
• 6:05
  really
• 6:05
  kind
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  helped
• 6:06
  me
• 6:07
  refine,
• 6:08
  refine
• 6:09
  what
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  was
• 6:09
  doing.
• 6:10
  I
• 6:10
  remember
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  trip
• 6:11
  to
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  Bahamas
• 6:13
  fishing
• 6:14
  with
• 6:15
  Black
• 6:15
  Fly
• 6:15
  Lodge,
• 6:16
  and
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  owner,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  took
• 6:18
  me
• 6:18
  aside
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  said,
• 6:18
  your
• 6:18
  cast
• 6:19
  was
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  mess.
• 6:19
  Let's
• 6:19
  work
• 6:20
  on
• 6:20
  this.
• 6:20
  And,
• 6:20
  you
• 6:21
  know,
• 6:21
  he
• 6:21
  gave
• 6:22
  me
• 6:22
  my
• 6:23
  first
• 6:23
  real
• 6:23
  fly
• 6:23
  fishing
• 6:24
  lesson.
• 6:25
  Plant
• 6:26
  Kemp
• 6:26
  is
• 6:26
  his
• 6:26
  name,
• 6:26
  and
• 6:28
  he,
• 6:29
  you
• 6:29
  know,
• 6:30
  straightened
• 6:30
  out
• 6:30
  my
• 6:31
  cast
• 6:31
  pretty
• 6:31
  quick.
• 6:31
  And
• 6:32
  I
• 6:32
  mean,
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  fundamentals
• 6:32
  were
• 6:33
  there,
• 6:33
  but
• 6:33
  there's
• 6:33
  just
• 6:33
  little
• 6:33
  things
• 6:34
  that
• 6:34
  screw
• 6:34
  everything
• 6:34
  up
• 6:35
  and.
• 6:35
  Yeah.
• 6:36
  And
• 6:36
  then,
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:37
  when
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  was
• 6:38
  working
• 6:38
  in
• 6:38
  television,
• 6:40
  met
• 6:40
  Colin
• 6:41
  McCune
• 6:41
  from
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  New
• 6:41
  Fly
• 6:42
  Fisher
• 6:42
  and
• 6:42
  we
• 6:42
  started
• 6:43
  becoming
• 6:44
  friends
• 6:44
  and
• 6:44
  he
• 6:44
  helped,
• 6:44
  he
• 6:45
  helped
• 6:45
  me
• 6:45
  produce
• 6:45
  a
• 6:45
  lot
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  those
• 6:46
  series.
• 6:46
  And
• 6:47
  he
• 6:47
  was
• 6:47
  a,
• 6:47
  he
• 6:47
  was
• 6:48
  a
• 6:48
  real
• 6:48
  mentor
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  me
• 6:48
  as
• 6:49
  well.
• 6:49
  So,
• 6:49
  you
• 6:50
  know,
• 6:50
  before
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  New
• 6:50
  Fly
• 6:51
  Fisher,
• 6:51
  my
• 6:52
  mentors
• 6:52
  were
• 6:52
  all,
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  know,
• 6:53
  professional
• 6:54
  guides,
• 6:54
  which
• 6:54
  was,
• 6:55
  which
• 6:55
  was,
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  proud
• 6:56
  by
• 6:56
  fire
• 6:56
  for
• 6:56
  sure.
• 6:56
  And
• 6:57
  a
• 6:57
  great
• 6:57
  learning
• 6:58
  curve.
• 6:58
  Yeah.
• 6:59
  And
• 6:59
  which
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  kind
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  put
• 6:59
  that
• 7:00
  in
• 7:00
  context
• 7:00
  for
• 7:00
  folks,
• 7:00
  that
• 7:01
  means
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  really
• 7:01
  kind
• 7:01
  of
• 7:02
  came
• 7:02
  back
• 7:02
  to
• 7:02
  fly
• 7:02
  fishing
• 7:03
  only
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  couple
• 7:03
  years
• 7:04
  before
• 7:04
  you
• 7:04
  did
• 7:04
  those
• 7:04
  few
• 7:05
  episodes
• 7:05
  for
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  New
• 7:05
  Fly
• 7:06
  Fisher,
• 7:06
  right?
• 7:06
  Yeah,
• 7:06
  exactly,
• 7:07
  exactly.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:08
  it
• 7:08
  was
• 7:08
  only
• 7:08
  by
• 7:09
  necessity
• 7:09
  that
• 7:09
  I
• 7:10
  had
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  have
• 7:10
  a
• 7:10
  fly
• 7:10
  ride
• 7:10
  in
• 7:10
  my
• 7:11
  hand
• 7:11
  because
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  shows
• 7:12
  that
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  was,
• 7:12
  that
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  was
• 7:12
  hosting.
• 7:14
  A
• 7:14
  lot
• 7:14
  of
• 7:14
  the
• 7:14
  people
• 7:15
  that
• 7:15
  we
• 7:15
  were
• 7:15
  featuring
• 7:16
  were
• 7:16
  fly
• 7:16
  anglers.
• 7:17
  So
• 7:17
  you'd
• 7:18
  Be
• 7:18
  out
• 7:18
  there.
• 7:18
  And
• 7:19
  it's
• 7:19
  just
• 7:19
  like
• 7:19
  downhill
• 7:20
  skiing,
• 7:20
  right?
• 7:20
  When
• 7:20
  I
• 7:21
  was
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  skiing
• 7:21
  coach,
• 7:22
  I
• 7:23
  was
• 7:23
  taught
• 7:23
  something
• 7:23
  in
• 7:24
  my
• 7:24
  early
• 7:24
  career
• 7:25
  that,
• 7:25
  you
• 7:25
  know,
• 7:25
  only
• 7:25
  ski
• 7:26
  with
• 7:26
  people
• 7:26
  that
• 7:26
  are
• 7:26
  better
• 7:26
  than
• 7:27
  you
• 7:27
  because
• 7:28
  you
• 7:28
  learn
• 7:29
  by
• 7:29
  osmosis,
• 7:29
  you
• 7:30
  learn
• 7:30
  by
• 7:30
  watching,
• 7:30
  you
• 7:30
  learn
• 7:31
  by.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:31
  it's
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  same
• 7:31
  in
• 7:32
  fly
• 7:32
  fishing.
• 7:32
  You
• 7:32
  always
• 7:32
  fish
• 7:33
  with
• 7:33
  people
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  are
• 7:33
  better
• 7:34
  than
• 7:34
  you
• 7:34
  are.
• 7:35
  Sounds
• 7:35
  a
• 7:36
  little
• 7:36
  snooty
• 7:36
  now
• 7:36
  that
• 7:36
  I
• 7:36
  say
• 7:36
  it
• 7:37
  out
• 7:37
  loud,
• 7:37
  but,
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  know,
• 7:38
  we
• 7:38
  fish
• 7:38
  with
• 7:38
  everybody,
• 7:39
  but
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  know,
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  try,
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  try
• 7:40
  to
• 7:41
  watch
• 7:41
  these
• 7:41
  excellent
• 7:42
  casters
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  these
• 7:43
  excellent
• 7:43
  anglers
• 7:44
  and
• 7:44
  you,
• 7:45
  you
• 7:45
  do,
• 7:45
  you
• 7:45
  learn
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  lot
• 7:46
  by
• 7:47
  just
• 7:47
  simply
• 7:47
  watching
• 7:48
  and
• 7:48
  being
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  part
• 7:48
  of
• 7:49
  that
• 7:49
  experience.
• 7:50
  Yeah,
• 7:51
  it's
• 7:51
  funny
• 7:51
  you
• 7:51
  say
• 7:51
  that.
• 7:51
  I
• 7:52
  was
• 7:52
  just
• 7:52
  talking
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  someone
• 7:53
  not
• 7:53
  too
• 7:54
  long
• 7:54
  ago
• 7:54
  about
• 7:55
  they
• 7:55
  were
• 7:55
  signing
• 7:56
  up
• 7:56
  for
• 7:56
  fly
• 7:56
  tying
• 7:56
  classes
• 7:57
  at
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  fly
• 7:57
  fishing
• 7:58
  shows.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  was
• 7:58
  like,
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  know,
• 7:59
  just
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  tricks
• 7:59
  that
• 7:59
  you
• 8:00
  learn
• 8:00
  in
• 8:00
  a
• 8:00
  class
• 8:01
  or
• 8:01
  worth
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  price
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  admission.
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  mean,
• 8:02
  that's
• 8:02
  the
• 8:03
  game
• 8:03
  changing
• 8:03
  stuff,
• 8:04
  right?
• 8:04
  100.
• 8:05
  100.
• 8:06
  Yeah.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:07
  if
• 8:07
  we,
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:07
  if
• 8:07
  we
• 8:07
  shift
• 8:08
  gears
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  little
• 8:08
  bit
• 8:08
  and
• 8:08
  we
• 8:08
  kind
• 8:09
  of
• 8:09
  go
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  your
• 8:09
  broadcasting
• 8:10
  career,
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  know,
• 8:11
  we
• 8:11
  can
• 8:11
  really
• 8:11
  kind
• 8:11
  of
• 8:11
  say
• 8:11
  that
• 8:12
  broadcasting
• 8:12
  was
• 8:12
  in
• 8:12
  your
• 8:13
  blood.
• 8:13
  Right?
• 8:14
  Yeah.
• 8:15
  Yeah.
• 8:15
  I
• 8:15
  was
• 8:15
  fortunate
• 8:16
  enough.
• 8:16
  My,
• 8:16
  my
• 8:17
  father
• 8:18
  started
• 8:18
  in
• 8:19
  radio
• 8:19
  when
• 8:19
  he
• 8:19
  was
• 8:20
  19
• 8:20
  years
• 8:20
  old
• 8:20
  and
• 8:21
  worked
• 8:22
  at
• 8:22
  a,
• 8:22
  at
• 8:22
  a,
• 8:23
  at
• 8:23
  a
• 8:24
  station
• 8:25
  in
• 8:25
  Toronto,
• 8:26
  Ontario.
• 8:27
  And
• 8:28
  you
• 8:28
  know,
• 8:28
  when
• 8:28
  he
• 8:28
  was
• 8:29
  19
• 8:29
  years
• 8:29
  old,
• 8:29
  he
• 8:29
  was
• 8:30
  actually
• 8:30
  Billboard
• 8:31
  magazine's
• 8:32
  broadcaster
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  the
• 8:33
  year
• 8:33
  for
• 8:33
  the
• 8:34
  world.
• 8:34
  Right.
• 8:34
  So,
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  know,
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  then
• 8:37
  he
• 8:37
  went
• 8:37
  on
• 8:37
  from,
• 8:38
  from
• 8:38
  radio
• 8:39
  into
• 8:39
  television
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  sports
• 8:40
  television
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  kind
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  grew
• 8:42
  up
• 8:42
  around
• 8:42
  sports
• 8:43
  figures
• 8:43
  and
• 8:43
  hockey
• 8:44
  players
• 8:44
  and,
• 8:44
  and
• 8:45
  that
• 8:45
  sort
• 8:45
  of
• 8:45
  thing.
• 8:45
  And,
• 8:46
  and
• 8:47
  he
• 8:47
  always
• 8:48
  told
• 8:48
  me,
• 8:48
  never,
• 8:48
  never
• 8:49
  get
• 8:49
  involved
• 8:49
  in
• 8:49
  television
• 8:50
  because,
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  know,
• 8:51
  broadcasts
• 8:52
  will
• 8:52
  take
• 8:52
  you
• 8:52
  away
• 8:53
  from
• 8:53
  your
• 8:53
  family
• 8:53
  and
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  won't
• 8:55
  ever
• 8:55
  be
• 8:55
  at
• 8:55
  home
• 8:55
  and
• 8:56
  you're
• 8:57
  life
• 8:57
  will
• 8:57
  end
• 8:57
  up
• 8:57
  like
• 8:57
  mine
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  divorce
• 8:58
  and,
• 8:59
  you
• 9:00
  know,
• 9:00
  so
• 9:00
  I,
• 9:01
  of
• 9:01
  course,
• 9:01
  being
• 9:01
  a
• 9:02
  teenager,
• 9:02
  of
• 9:03
  course
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  gravitated
• 9:03
  to
• 9:04
  it
• 9:04
  and.
• 9:04
  Because
• 9:04
  he
• 9:04
  told
• 9:05
  me
• 9:05
  not
• 9:05
  to.
• 9:06
  Yeah.
• 9:07
  So,
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  know,
• 9:07
  my
• 9:08
  first
• 9:08
  time
• 9:08
  in
• 9:08
  a
• 9:08
  production
• 9:09
  truck
• 9:09
  for
• 9:10
  an
• 9:10
  NHL
• 9:10
  hockey
• 9:10
  game,
• 9:10
  I
• 9:11
  was
• 9:11
  five
• 9:11
  years
• 9:11
  old
• 9:11
  and
• 9:12
  just
• 9:12
  seeing
• 9:12
  all
• 9:12
  the
• 9:13
  director
• 9:14
  and
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  producer
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  all
• 9:15
  the
• 9:15
  people
• 9:15
  yelling
• 9:16
  and
• 9:16
  screaming
• 9:16
  at
• 9:16
  each
• 9:16
  other
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  having
• 9:17
  50
• 9:17
  monitors
• 9:18
  on
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  screen
• 9:18
  and
• 9:19
  buttons
• 9:19
  flying
• 9:19
  and
• 9:19
  all
• 9:20
  this
• 9:20
  sort
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  stuff,
• 9:20
  I
• 9:21
  was
• 9:21
  addicted
• 9:21
  by
• 9:21
  it.
• 9:22
  Um,
• 9:23
  so
• 9:23
  in
• 9:24
  my
• 9:24
  final
• 9:24
  year
• 9:24
  at
• 9:24
  university,
• 9:26
  I
• 9:26
  took
• 9:26
  outdoor
• 9:26
  recreation,
• 9:27
  parks
• 9:27
  and
• 9:27
  rec.
• 9:27
  I
• 9:28
  wanted
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  be
• 9:28
  an
• 9:28
  ecotourism
• 9:29
  business
• 9:30
  owner.
• 9:31
  And
• 9:31
  I
• 9:32
  said,
• 9:32
  screw
• 9:32
  this.
• 9:32
  And
• 9:32
  I
• 9:33
  fast
• 9:33
  tracked
• 9:33
  my
• 9:33
  degree,
• 9:34
  finished,
• 9:36
  finished
• 9:36
  the
• 9:37
  next
• 9:37
  semester
• 9:38
  and
• 9:39
  got
• 9:39
  a
• 9:39
  job
• 9:40
  that,
• 9:40
  that
• 9:41
  spring
• 9:41
  working
• 9:41
  for
• 9:42
  tsn,
• 9:43
  which
• 9:43
  is
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  equivalent
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  ESPN
• 9:44
  in
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  States
• 9:46
  as
• 9:46
  a
• 9:47
  showrunner
• 9:47
  for
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  World
• 9:48
  Nordic
• 9:48
  Games
• 9:48
  in
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  believe
• 9:49
  1996,
• 9:50
  1995
• 9:51
  or
• 9:51
  1996,
• 9:53
  and
• 9:53
  hit
• 9:53
  it
• 9:53
  off
• 9:53
  really
• 9:54
  well
• 9:54
  with
• 9:54
  one
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  producers.
• 9:55
  And
• 9:55
  he
• 9:55
  said,
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  know,
• 9:56
  if
• 9:57
  you,
• 9:57
  if
• 9:58
  you
• 9:58
  need
• 9:58
  a
• 9:58
  job
• 9:58
  when
• 9:58
  you're
• 9:59
  done
• 9:59
  school,
• 10:00
  give
• 10:00
  me
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  call
• 10:00
  and
• 10:01
  if
• 10:01
  I
• 10:01
  have
• 10:01
  something
• 10:01
  for
• 10:01
  you,
• 10:02
  I'll
• 10:02
  bring
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  on.
• 10:03
  So
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  did
• 10:04
  and
• 10:04
  started
• 10:05
  doing
• 10:05
  highlight
• 10:06
  packs
• 10:06
  for
• 10:06
  Major
• 10:06
  League
• 10:07
  baseball
• 10:07
  and,
• 10:07
  and,
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  hockey
• 10:09
  games.
• 10:09
  You
• 10:09
  know,
• 10:09
  you're
• 10:09
  sitting
• 10:10
  in
• 10:10
  a,
• 10:10
  in
• 10:10
  a
• 10:11
  room
• 10:11
  with
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  bunch
• 10:11
  of
• 10:11
  guys
• 10:11
  and
• 10:12
  you're
• 10:12
  responsible
• 10:12
  for
• 10:12
  three,
• 10:13
  for
• 10:13
  three
• 10:13
  or
• 10:13
  four
• 10:14
  games
• 10:14
  a
• 10:14
  night
• 10:14
  to
• 10:14
  write
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  scripts
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  do
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  highlight
• 10:16
  packs
• 10:16
  and
• 10:16
  all
• 10:16
  that
• 10:16
  sort
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  stuff.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:18
  yeah,
• 10:18
  so
• 10:18
  that
• 10:18
  was
• 10:18
  my
• 10:18
  intro
• 10:19
  to
• 10:19
  tv.
• 10:19
  And
• 10:20
  it's
• 10:21
  been
• 10:21
  a
• 10:21
  fantastic
• 10:21
  road
• 10:22
  ever
• 10:22
  since,
• 10:22
  you
• 10:22
  know,
• 10:22
  making
• 10:23
  110
• 10:23
  bucks
• 10:24
  a
• 10:24
  day
• 10:24
  and
• 10:25
  scraping
• 10:26
  by
• 10:26
  and
• 10:26
  actually
• 10:27
  110
• 10:27
  bucks
• 10:28
  was
• 10:28
  for
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  guys
• 10:29
  who
• 10:29
  actually
• 10:30
  got
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  build
• 10:30
  the
• 10:30
  teases
• 10:31
  for
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  hockey
• 10:31
  game.
• 10:31
  The
• 10:32
  highlight
• 10:32
  pack
• 10:32
  guys
• 10:32
  only
• 10:33
  made
• 10:33
  60
• 10:33
  bucks
• 10:33
  a
• 10:34
  day.
• 10:34
  So
• 10:34
  I
• 10:35
  was
• 10:35
  living
• 10:35
  at
• 10:35
  home
• 10:35
  with
• 10:36
  my
• 10:36
  parents
• 10:36
  and
• 10:37
  yeah,
• 10:38
  it
• 10:39
  was
• 10:39
  a
• 10:39
  struggle,
• 10:39
  I'll
• 10:40
  tell
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  that.
• 10:41
  Yeah,
• 10:41
  it's
• 10:42
  pretty
• 10:42
  neat
• 10:42
  too.
• 10:42
  But
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  mean,
• 10:42
  that's
• 10:43
  also
• 10:43
  like,
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  mean,
• 10:44
  light
• 10:44
  years
• 10:44
  away
• 10:45
  from
• 10:45
  fly
• 10:45
  fishing.
• 10:45
  Right.
• 10:46
  So
• 10:46
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  why
• 10:47
  don't
• 10:47
  we,
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:48
  and
• 10:48
  I
• 10:48
  mean,
• 10:48
  you've
• 10:49
  done
• 10:49
  some
• 10:49
  amazing
• 10:49
  stuff.
• 10:50
  You've
• 10:50
  got
• 10:50
  like
• 10:50
  rodeo
• 10:51
  stuff,
• 10:51
  you've
• 10:51
  got
• 10:51
  western
• 10:52
  rocky
• 10:52
  lifestyle
• 10:53
  stuff,
• 10:53
  you've
• 10:54
  got
• 10:54
  bull
• 10:55
  riding
• 10:55
  stuff.
• 10:55
  You
• 10:55
  know,
• 10:56
  why
• 10:56
  don't
• 10:56
  you
• 10:56
  kind
• 10:56
  of,
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  know,
• 10:57
  walk
• 10:58
  through.
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  think
• 10:58
  people
• 10:58
  would
• 10:59
  be
• 10:59
  really
• 10:59
  interested
• 10:59
  in
• 10:59
  kind
• 10:59
  of
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  journey,
• 11:00
  but
• 11:00
  also
• 11:01
  too
• 11:01
  kind
• 11:01
  of,
• 11:01
  you
• 11:01
  know,
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  adversity
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  serendipity
• 11:03
  that
• 11:03
  kind
• 11:03
  of
• 11:03
  got
• 11:04
  you,
• 11:04
  you
• 11:04
  know,
• 11:04
  sitting
• 11:04
  here
• 11:05
  doing
• 11:05
  a
• 11:05
  zoom
• 11:05
  with
• 11:05
  me
• 11:06
  as
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  executive
• 11:07
  producer
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  new
• 11:08
  fly
• 11:08
  fisher.
• 11:09
  Yeah,
• 11:09
  so,
• 11:10
  so
• 11:10
  when
• 11:10
  I
• 11:11
  was
• 11:11
  at
• 11:11
  tsn,
• 11:12
  I
• 11:12
  was
• 11:12
  offered
• 11:12
  a
• 11:13
  job
• 11:13
  to
• 11:14
  help
• 11:14
  launch
• 11:14
  a
• 11:14
  new
• 11:14
  channel
• 11:16
  called
• 11:16
  Animal
• 11:16
  Planet
• 11:17
  that
• 11:17
  was,
• 11:17
  that's
• 11:18
  run
• 11:18
  by
• 11:18
  Discovery
• 11:19
  Channel.
• 11:19
  And
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  worked
• 11:20
  on
• 11:20
  Animal
• 11:20
  Planet
• 11:20
  for
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  number
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  years,
• 11:21
  sort
• 11:21
  of
• 11:22
  working
• 11:22
  on
• 11:23
  their
• 11:23
  graphics
• 11:24
  packages
• 11:24
  and
• 11:24
  all
• 11:25
  that
• 11:25
  boring
• 11:25
  stuff.
• 11:26
  And
• 11:28
  then
• 11:29
  after
• 11:29
  that
• 11:29
  I
• 11:30
  was
• 11:30
  laid
• 11:30
  off,
• 11:31
  which
• 11:31
  happens
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  lot
• 11:31
  in
• 11:32
  television.
• 11:33
  And
• 11:33
  I
• 11:33
  ended
• 11:33
  up
• 11:34
  at
• 11:34
  a
• 11:34
  job
• 11:34
  with
• 11:35
  Outdoor
• 11:35
  Life
• 11:35
  Network,
• 11:36
  oln.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  while
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  was
• 11:38
  doing
• 11:38
  ol
• 11:39
  and
• 11:39
  we
• 11:39
  started
• 11:39
  with
• 11:39
  adventure
• 11:40
  extreme
• 11:41
  sports
• 11:41
  shows,
• 11:42
  so
• 11:42
  we'd
• 11:42
  run
• 11:42
  around
• 11:43
  and
• 11:43
  do
• 11:43
  all
• 11:43
  these
• 11:43
  extreme
• 11:43
  sports.
• 11:44
  And
• 11:44
  I
• 11:44
  was
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  stunt
• 11:44
  double
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  a
• 11:45
  producer.
• 11:46
  And
• 11:49
  one
• 11:49
  afternoon
• 11:50
  sitting
• 11:50
  in
• 11:50
  the
• 11:50
  office,
• 11:50
  this
• 11:51
  ginger
• 11:51
  haired
• 11:52
  guy
• 11:52
  walked
• 11:52
  in
• 11:53
  and
• 11:53
  went
• 11:54
  into
• 11:54
  my
• 11:54
  boss's
• 11:55
  office
• 11:55
  and
• 11:55
  sat
• 11:55
  down.
• 11:56
  And
• 11:56
  an
• 11:56
  hour
• 11:56
  later
• 11:57
  he
• 11:57
  popped
• 11:57
  out
• 11:57
  and
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  met,
• 11:58
  I
• 11:59
  met
• 11:59
  him
• 11:59
  and
• 11:59
  it
• 11:59
  happened
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  be
• 11:59
  Colin
• 12:00
  McEwan.
• 12:00
  And
• 12:01
  he
• 12:01
  was
• 12:01
  there
• 12:02
  pitching
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  very
• 12:04
  first
• 12:04
  episode
• 12:04
  of
• 12:04
  the
• 12:05
  new
• 12:05
  Fly
• 12:05
  Fisher.
• 12:06
  And
• 12:06
  that
• 12:06
  was
• 12:06
  25
• 12:07
  years
• 12:07
  ago,
• 12:08
  almost
• 12:09
  26
• 12:09
  years
• 12:09
  ago.
• 12:10
  And
• 12:10
  I
• 12:10
  met
• 12:10
  Colin
• 12:11
  Men
• 12:11
  and
• 12:12
  didn't
• 12:12
  think
• 12:12
  anything
• 12:12
  of
• 12:13
  it.
• 12:13
  Went
• 12:14
  on
• 12:14
  and
• 12:15
  as
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  said,
• 12:15
  did
• 12:16
  rodeo
• 12:16
  and
• 12:16
  bull
• 12:16
  riding
• 12:17
  events
• 12:17
  for
• 12:17
  eight
• 12:17
  years
• 12:17
  and
• 12:18
  traveled
• 12:18
  with
• 12:18
  cowboys
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  you
• 12:20
  know,
• 12:20
  produced
• 12:20
  PBR
• 12:21
  events
• 12:21
  for
• 12:21
  TV
• 12:21
  and
• 12:22
  Calvary
• 12:22
  Stampede
• 12:23
  and
• 12:24
  did
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  Half
• 12:25
  Mile
• 12:26
  of
• 12:26
  Hell,
• 12:26
  which
• 12:26
  is
• 12:26
  a
• 12:27
  documentary
• 12:28
  chuck
• 12:28
  wagon
• 12:28
  series
• 12:29
  on
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  life
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  chuck
• 12:29
  wagon
• 12:30
  drivers.
• 12:31
  Um,
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  then
• 12:32
  once
• 12:32
  again,
• 12:32
  the
• 12:33
  network
• 12:33
  decided
• 12:33
  they
• 12:33
  were
• 12:34
  going
• 12:34
  to
• 12:34
  leave
• 12:34
  the
• 12:34
  western
• 12:34
  lifestyle.
• 12:35
  So
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  got
• 12:35
  laid
• 12:36
  off.
• 12:38
  One
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  guys
• 12:39
  that
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  started
• 12:39
  at
• 12:39
  TSN
• 12:40
  with
• 12:41
  was
• 12:41
  now
• 12:41
  starting
• 12:42
  was
• 12:42
  the
• 12:43
  program
• 12:43
  director
• 12:43
  at
• 12:43
  a
• 12:44
  brand
• 12:44
  new
• 12:44
  network
• 12:44
  called
• 12:45
  WFN
• 12:46
  World
• 12:46
  Fishing
• 12:46
  Network.
• 12:46
  And
• 12:47
  he
• 12:47
  knew
• 12:47
  how
• 12:47
  much
• 12:47
  I
• 12:47
  love
• 12:47
  to
• 12:48
  fish
• 12:48
  because
• 12:48
  he,
• 12:49
  you
• 12:49
  know,
• 12:49
  he'd
• 12:49
  see
• 12:49
  my
• 12:49
  reverse
• 12:50
  raccoon
• 12:50
  tan
• 12:51
  every
• 12:51
  Monday,
• 12:51
  you
• 12:52
  know,
• 12:52
  after
• 12:52
  fishing
• 12:52
  on
• 12:52
  the
• 12:53
  water
• 12:53
  all
• 12:53
  the
• 12:54
  time.
• 12:54
  And
• 12:55
  he
• 12:55
  called
• 12:56
  me
• 12:56
  over
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  WFN
• 12:56
  and
• 12:57
  said,
• 12:57
  do
• 12:57
  you,
• 12:57
  you
• 12:58
  are
• 12:58
  interested
• 12:59
  in
• 12:59
  working
• 12:59
  for
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  fishing
• 13:00
  network?
• 13:00
  Said,
• 13:00
  I
• 13:01
  can't,
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  don't
• 13:01
  have
• 13:01
  a
• 13:01
  job.
• 13:02
  So
• 13:02
  yeah,
• 13:02
  why
• 13:03
  not?
• 13:04
  He
• 13:05
  said,
• 13:05
  but
• 13:05
  I've
• 13:05
  got
• 13:06
  one
• 13:06
  caveat
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  I
• 13:08
  want
• 13:08
  you
• 13:08
  to
• 13:08
  produce
• 13:08
  fishing
• 13:09
  shows
• 13:09
  that
• 13:09
  don't
• 13:09
  have
• 13:09
  any
• 13:10
  fishing
• 13:10
  in
• 13:10
  them.
• 13:11
  It's
• 13:12
  like,
• 13:12
  what
• 13:12
  are
• 13:12
  you,
• 13:12
  Cory,
• 13:13
  what
• 13:13
  are
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  talking
• 13:13
  about?
• 13:13
  Like,
• 13:14
  how
• 13:14
  do
• 13:14
  you.
• 13:14
  He's
• 13:15
  like,
• 13:15
  here's
• 13:15
  $10,000.
• 13:16
  I
• 13:17
  want
• 13:17
  you
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  go
• 13:18
  to
• 13:18
  Minnesota
• 13:21
  St.
• 13:21
  Paul
• 13:22
  area
• 13:22
  and
• 13:23
  come
• 13:23
  back
• 13:24
  with
• 13:24
  10
• 13:25
  industry
• 13:25
  stories
• 13:26
  about
• 13:26
  fishing
• 13:27
  in
• 13:27
  Minnesota.
• 13:29
  So
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  was
• 13:29
  like,
• 13:29
  okay.
• 13:30
  So
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  got
• 13:30
  on
• 13:31
  my
• 13:31
  horse
• 13:31
  and
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  started
• 13:32
  researching
• 13:32
  and
• 13:32
  everything,
• 13:33
  realizing,
• 13:34
  Marvin,
• 13:34
  that
• 13:34
  this
• 13:35
  was
• 13:35
  in
• 13:35
  February.
• 13:36
  He
• 13:36
  was
• 13:36
  sending
• 13:36
  me
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  Minnesota
• 13:37
  in
• 13:37
  February.
• 13:41
  So
• 13:41
  of
• 13:41
  course
• 13:42
  I
• 13:42
  did
• 13:42
  an
• 13:42
  ice
• 13:42
  fishing
• 13:42
  segment.
• 13:43
  And,
• 13:43
  and
• 13:44
  I,
• 13:44
  I,
• 13:44
  in
• 13:44
  my
• 13:45
  research,
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  found
• 13:45
  that
• 13:45
  there
• 13:46
  was
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  gentleman
• 13:46
  that
• 13:46
  used
• 13:47
  to
• 13:47
  own
• 13:47
  the
• 13:47
  Minnesota
• 13:47
  Vikings
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  he
• 13:49
  also
• 13:49
  owned
• 13:49
  the
• 13:50
  FLW
• 13:50
  tour
• 13:50
  and
• 13:51
  he
• 13:51
  owns
• 13:54
  ranger
• 13:54
  boats
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  a
• 13:56
  variety
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  other
• 13:56
  boat
• 13:56
  companies.
• 13:57
  So
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  ended
• 13:58
  up
• 13:58
  getting
• 13:58
  an
• 13:58
  interview
• 13:58
  with
• 13:58
  him.
• 13:59
  And
• 13:59
  that
• 13:59
  was
• 13:59
  just
• 14:00
  at
• 14:00
  as
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  economic
• 14:01
  crash
• 14:01
  started
• 14:01
  of
• 14:02
  2008.
• 14:04
  And
• 14:04
  I
• 14:04
  came
• 14:04
  back
• 14:05
  with
• 14:05
  these
• 14:05
  10
• 14:05
  stories
• 14:06
  and
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  had
• 14:07
  to
• 14:07
  do
• 14:07
  on
• 14:07
  cameras
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  introduce
• 14:08
  the
• 14:09
  stories.
• 14:09
  And
• 14:10
  of
• 14:10
  course,
• 14:10
  like,
• 14:10
  man,
• 14:10
  these
• 14:11
  are
• 14:11
  good.
• 14:11
  How
• 14:12
  about
• 14:12
  we
• 14:12
  give
• 14:12
  you
• 14:12
  your
• 14:12
  own
• 14:13
  show?
• 14:13
  It's
• 14:14
  called
• 14:14
  Real
• 14:14
  Road
• 14:14
  Trip.
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  want
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
  travel
• 14:15
  around
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  states
• 14:16
  and
• 14:17
  provinces
• 14:17
  in
• 14:18
  North
• 14:18
  America
• 14:18
  and
• 14:19
  find
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  non
• 14:19
  fishing
• 14:20
  stories
• 14:21
  that,
• 14:21
  that
• 14:22
  are
• 14:22
  in
• 14:22
  each
• 14:22
  state.
• 14:24
  An
• 14:24
  angler,
• 14:25
  a
• 14:25
  conservation
• 14:26
  story,
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  unique
• 14:27
  story,
• 14:27
  and
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  species
• 14:28
  story
• 14:29
  to
• 14:29
  round
• 14:29
  it.
• 14:29
  It
• 14:29
  was
• 14:29
  like
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  magazine
• 14:30
  type
• 14:30
  show.
• 14:32
  So
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  would
• 14:32
  run
• 14:32
  around
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  do
• 14:33
  these
• 14:34
  shows
• 14:34
  and
• 14:35
  come
• 14:35
  back
• 14:36
  with,
• 14:37
  you
• 14:37
  know,
• 14:38
  shows
• 14:39
  that
• 14:39
  didn't
• 14:39
  have
• 14:39
  Any
• 14:39
  fishing,
• 14:40
  like
• 14:40
  physical
• 14:40
  fishing
• 14:41
  in
• 14:41
  them,
• 14:41
  which
• 14:41
  was
• 14:42
  killing
• 14:42
  me
• 14:42
  because
• 14:42
  I'm
• 14:43
  going
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  Bahamas
• 14:44
  and
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  Keys
• 14:44
  and
• 14:44
  all
• 14:44
  these
• 14:45
  places
• 14:45
  that
• 14:45
  are
• 14:45
  so
• 14:45
  legendary
• 14:47
  for
• 14:47
  anglers.
• 14:47
  And
• 14:48
  I
• 14:48
  finally
• 14:48
  said,
• 14:48
  screw
• 14:49
  it,
• 14:49
  I'm
• 14:49
  bringing
• 14:49
  a
• 14:50
  fishing
• 14:50
  rod
• 14:50
  with
• 14:50
  me
• 14:51
  every
• 14:51
  trip
• 14:52
  I
• 14:52
  go.
• 14:54
  So
• 14:54
  after
• 14:54
  two
• 14:54
  years
• 14:55
  of
• 14:55
  doing
• 14:55
  that
• 14:55
  show,
• 14:56
  Corey
• 14:57
  took
• 14:57
  me
• 14:57
  out
• 14:58
  for
• 14:58
  a
• 14:58
  drink
• 14:58
  and
• 14:58
  said,
• 14:59
  I
• 14:59
  told
• 14:59
  you
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  didn't
• 15:00
  want
• 15:00
  any
• 15:00
  fishing
• 15:00
  in
• 15:01
  these
• 15:01
  shows.
• 15:01
  He
• 15:01
  put
• 15:01
  fishing
• 15:02
  in
• 15:02
  them.
• 15:02
  I
• 15:03
  know
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  can't
• 15:03
  stop
• 15:03
  you.
• 15:04
  So
• 15:04
  I'm
• 15:05
  going
• 15:05
  to
• 15:05
  send
• 15:05
  you
• 15:05
  on
• 15:05
  a
• 15:06
  new
• 15:06
  series
• 15:06
  called
• 15:07
  Real
• 15:07
  Jobs.
• 15:08
  A
• 15:08
  total
• 15:08
  ripoff
• 15:09
  of
• 15:09
  Micro's
• 15:10
  Dirty
• 15:10
  Jobs.
• 15:11
  Right.
• 15:11
  So
• 15:12
  I
• 15:12
  ran
• 15:12
  around
• 15:12
  and
• 15:12
  did
• 15:13
  all
• 15:13
  these
• 15:14
  stories
• 15:14
  of
• 15:14
  the,
• 15:15
  the,
• 15:15
  the
• 15:16
  jobs
• 15:16
  of
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  fishing
• 15:16
  industry.
• 15:17
  Everything
• 15:17
  from
• 15:17
  crabbing
• 15:18
  in
• 15:18
  the
• 15:18
  North
• 15:18
  Atlantic
• 15:19
  to
• 15:20
  making
• 15:21
  chum
• 15:21
  in
• 15:21
  San
• 15:21
  Diego
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  fly
• 15:22
  fishing
• 15:23
  for
• 15:23
  mako
• 15:23
  sharks
• 15:24
  and,
• 15:24
  and
• 15:24
  you
• 15:25
  know,
• 15:25
  being
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  professional,
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  professional
• 15:26
  bass
• 15:27
  angler
• 15:28
  working
• 15:28
  in
• 15:29
  a
• 15:29
  hatchery,
• 15:29
  all
• 15:29
  these
• 15:30
  things.
• 15:30
  But
• 15:30
  I
• 15:31
  kept
• 15:31
  bringing
• 15:31
  my
• 15:31
  fishing
• 15:31
  rod
• 15:32
  with
• 15:32
  me.
• 15:33
  After
• 15:33
  two
• 15:33
  years
• 15:34
  of
• 15:34
  that,
• 15:34
  I
• 15:35
  went
• 15:35
  to
• 15:35
  Corey
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  said,
• 15:36
  you
• 15:36
  know
• 15:36
  what
• 15:36
  man?
• 15:36
  I'm,
• 15:37
  I'm
• 15:37
  seeing
• 15:39
  so
• 15:39
  many
• 15:40
  guides
• 15:40
  in
• 15:41
  this,
• 15:41
  in
• 15:41
  this
• 15:41
  job
• 15:42
  and
• 15:42
  they
• 15:42
  have
• 15:43
  so
• 15:43
  many
• 15:43
  unique
• 15:43
  stories
• 15:44
  to
• 15:44
  tell
• 15:44
  about
• 15:44
  how
• 15:44
  they
• 15:45
  became
• 15:45
  guides
• 15:45
  and
• 15:45
  how
• 15:46
  they
• 15:46
  are
• 15:46
  gu.
• 15:47
  Let's
• 15:47
  do
• 15:47
  this
• 15:48
  show
• 15:48
  where
• 15:49
  I
• 15:49
  will
• 15:49
  go
• 15:49
  and
• 15:50
  do
• 15:50
  an
• 15:50
  interview
• 15:51
  based
• 15:52
  biography
• 15:53
  of
• 15:53
  these
• 15:53
  guides
• 15:54
  and
• 15:55
  tell
• 15:56
  their
• 15:56
  story
• 15:56
  about,
• 15:56
  you
• 15:57
  know,
• 15:57
  how
• 15:57
  they
• 15:57
  got
• 15:57
  to
• 15:57
  where
• 15:58
  they
• 15:58
  are
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  their
• 15:58
  ups
• 15:58
  and
• 15:58
  downs.
• 15:59
  And
• 15:59
  that
• 15:59
  was
• 15:59
  the
• 16:00
  most
• 16:00
  fun
• 16:00
  show
• 16:00
  I
• 16:00
  ever
• 16:00
  did,
• 16:01
  you
• 16:02
  know,
• 16:02
  telling
• 16:02
  people
• 16:02
  stories.
• 16:03
  I'm
• 16:03
  a
• 16:03
  storyteller
• 16:04
  by
• 16:04
  heart
• 16:04
  from
• 16:04
  starting
• 16:05
  at
• 16:05
  tsm,
• 16:06
  telling
• 16:06
  stories
• 16:06
  of
• 16:06
  professional
• 16:07
  athletes.
• 16:08
  This
• 16:08
  was,
• 16:09
  this
• 16:09
  was
• 16:09
  a
• 16:09
  perfect
• 16:10
  mix
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  that.
• 16:11
  And
• 16:11
  anglers
• 16:12
  are
• 16:12
  no
• 16:12
  different
• 16:13
  than
• 16:13
  cowboys
• 16:13
  in
• 16:14
  that
• 16:14
  they're
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  generally
• 16:15
  the
• 16:15
  nicest
• 16:15
  people
• 16:16
  in
• 16:16
  the
• 16:16
  world
• 16:16
  and
• 16:16
  they
• 16:16
  give
• 16:16
  you
• 16:16
  their
• 16:16
  shirts
• 16:17
  off,
• 16:17
  off
• 16:17
  their
• 16:17
  back.
• 16:18
  So
• 16:18
  it
• 16:18
  was
• 16:18
  a
• 16:19
  nice
• 16:19
  meld
• 16:19
  of
• 16:19
  the,
• 16:20
  of
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  two
• 16:20
  sports
• 16:21
  that
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  really,
• 16:21
  really
• 16:22
  love
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  do
• 16:22
  in,
• 16:23
  in
• 16:23
  fishing.
• 16:25
  And
• 16:25
  then
• 16:25
  after
• 16:25
  two
• 16:26
  years
• 16:26
  of
• 16:26
  that,
• 16:26
  of
• 16:26
  course
• 16:27
  I
• 16:27
  got
• 16:27
  laid
• 16:27
  off
• 16:27
  again.
• 16:28
  It
• 16:28
  happens
• 16:28
  in
• 16:28
  tv,
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  always
• 16:29
  get
• 16:30
  cut
• 16:30
  down
• 16:30
  at
• 16:30
  your,
• 16:30
  at
• 16:31
  your
• 16:31
  best
• 16:31
  gig,
• 16:32
  whether
• 16:32
  you're
• 16:32
  making
• 16:32
  too
• 16:33
  much
• 16:33
  money
• 16:33
  or
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  networks
• 16:34
  gets
• 16:34
  old
• 16:34
  or
• 16:34
  what
• 16:34
  have
• 16:34
  you.
• 16:35
  It's
• 16:35
  not,
• 16:35
  it's
• 16:35
  not
• 16:35
  a
• 16:36
  issue
• 16:36
  of
• 16:37
  performance,
• 16:38
  it's
• 16:38
  just
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  nature
• 16:38
  of
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  business.
• 16:42
  So
• 16:42
  Colin
• 16:43
  heard
• 16:43
  that
• 16:43
  I
• 16:43
  had
• 16:43
  been
• 16:44
  laid
• 16:44
  off
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  hadn't,
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  had
• 16:45
  worked
• 16:45
  for
• 16:45
  a
• 16:45
  long
• 16:46
  time.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:47
  he
• 16:47
  called
• 16:48
  me
• 16:48
  and
• 16:48
  said,
• 16:48
  hey,
• 16:48
  I
• 16:49
  know
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  started
• 16:49
  fly
• 16:50
  fishing.
• 16:50
  Would
• 16:50
  you
• 16:51
  like
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  host
• 16:51
  a
• 16:52
  couple
• 16:52
  of
• 16:52
  episodes?
• 16:53
  AKA
• 16:54
  keep
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  wolves
• 16:54
  away
• 16:55
  from
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  door?
• 16:55
  Right.
• 16:57
  So
• 16:57
  he
• 16:57
  brought
• 16:58
  me
• 16:58
  on
• 16:58
  as
• 16:58
  a,
• 16:58
  as
• 16:59
  really
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  new
• 16:59
  fly
• 16:59
  fisher.
• 17:00
  And
• 17:01
  I,
• 17:01
  I
• 17:01
  think
• 17:01
  I
• 17:01
  hosted
• 17:02
  six
• 17:03
  or
• 17:03
  seven
• 17:03
  episodes
• 17:04
  that
• 17:04
  season.
• 17:06
  Then
• 17:06
  he
• 17:06
  fired
• 17:06
  me
• 17:06
  for
• 17:07
  his
• 17:07
  daughter.
• 17:08
  So
• 17:08
  I
• 17:08
  was
• 17:08
  out
• 17:08
  of
• 17:08
  work
• 17:09
  again
• 17:09
  and
• 17:10
  I
• 17:10
  went
• 17:10
  three
• 17:10
  years,
• 17:10
  Marvin,
• 17:11
  without
• 17:11
  even
• 17:11
  be
• 17:12
  being
• 17:12
  able
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  get
• 17:12
  an
• 17:12
  interview
• 17:13
  in
• 17:13
  tv.
• 17:14
  I
• 17:14
  mean
• 17:14
  it
• 17:14
  was
• 17:15
  just,
• 17:15
  you
• 17:16
  know,
• 17:16
  young
• 17:16
  kids
• 17:16
  are
• 17:17
  coming
• 17:17
  in,
• 17:17
  doing
• 17:17
  it
• 17:17
  for
• 17:18
  half
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  price.
• 17:19
  Even
• 17:19
  the
• 17:19
  guys
• 17:19
  that
• 17:20
  I
• 17:20
  started
• 17:20
  with
• 17:20
  who
• 17:21
  were
• 17:21
  executives
• 17:21
  at
• 17:21
  this
• 17:22
  time
• 17:22
  are
• 17:22
  like,
• 17:22
  sorry
• 17:22
  Mark,
• 17:24
  you're
• 17:24
  in
• 17:24
  trouble
• 17:25
  here.
• 17:25
  He's
• 17:25
  like,
• 17:25
  you
• 17:25
  gotta
• 17:25
  find
• 17:26
  something
• 17:26
  new
• 17:28
  anyway.
• 17:28
  And
• 17:28
  then
• 17:29
  the
• 17:30
  new
• 17:30
  fly
• 17:30
  fisher
• 17:30
  fell
• 17:30
  on
• 17:30
  my
• 17:31
  lap
• 17:31
  and
• 17:33
  became
• 17:33
  partner
• 17:34
  at
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  new
• 17:34
  fly
• 17:34
  fisher.
• 17:34
  And
• 17:35
  I
• 17:36
  actually
• 17:36
  forget
• 17:36
  what
• 17:36
  your
• 17:37
  question
• 17:37
  was
• 17:37
  now.
• 17:37
  Yeah,
• 17:38
  well,
• 17:38
  it
• 17:38
  actually
• 17:39
  works
• 17:39
  out
• 17:39
  perfectly
• 17:40
  because
• 17:40
  we
• 17:40
  kind
• 17:40
  of
• 17:40
  ran
• 17:40
  through
• 17:41
  the
• 17:41
  question
• 17:41
  where,
• 17:41
  exactly
• 17:42
  where
• 17:42
  we
• 17:42
  need
• 17:42
  to
• 17:42
  be.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:44
  you
• 17:44
  know,
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  think
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  interesting
• 17:45
  thing
• 17:45
  is,
• 17:45
  sounds
• 17:45
  like
• 17:45
  you
• 17:46
  probably
• 17:46
  got
• 17:46
  laid
• 17:47
  off
• 17:47
  almost
• 17:47
  a
• 17:48
  half
• 17:48
  a
• 17:48
  dozen
• 17:48
  times
• 17:48
  probably
• 17:49
  before
• 17:49
  you
• 17:49
  got
• 17:50
  to
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  new
• 17:50
  fly
• 17:50
  fisher
• 17:51
  and
• 17:51
  you
• 17:51
  were
• 17:52
  out,
• 17:52
  you
• 17:52
  were
• 17:52
  out
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  work
• 17:52
  for
• 17:53
  almost
• 17:53
  three
• 17:53
  years.
• 17:53
  And
• 17:54
  you
• 17:54
  know,
• 17:55
  in
• 17:55
  some
• 17:55
  ways,
• 17:56
  you
• 17:56
  know,
• 17:56
  getting
• 17:57
  kicked
• 17:57
  in
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  teeth
• 17:57
  that
• 17:58
  much
• 17:58
  makes
• 17:58
  you
• 17:58
  tougher,
• 17:58
  but
• 17:59
  you
• 17:59
  kind
• 17:59
  of
• 17:59
  have
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  learn
• 17:59
  that
• 17:59
  resilience.
• 18:00
  So
• 18:00
  kind
• 18:00
  of
• 18:00
  like
• 18:00
  how
• 18:01
  did
• 18:01
  you
• 18:01
  learn
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  and
• 18:02
  kind
• 18:02
  of
• 18:02
  what
• 18:02
  was
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  closest
• 18:03
  kind
• 18:04
  of
• 18:04
  in
• 18:04
  the
• 18:04
  last?
• 18:04
  I
• 18:05
  guess,
• 18:05
  what
• 18:05
  would
• 18:05
  that
• 18:05
  be
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  last,
• 18:06
  I
• 18:06
  guess
• 18:06
  the
• 18:06
  first
• 18:06
  20
• 18:07
  years
• 18:07
  of
• 18:07
  your
• 18:07
  career
• 18:08
  from
• 18:08
  walking
• 18:08
  away
• 18:08
  from
• 18:08
  broadcasting
• 18:09
  and
• 18:09
  doing
• 18:09
  something
• 18:10
  different?
• 18:11
  Yeah,
• 18:11
  so,
• 18:11
  so
• 18:12
  during
• 18:12
  those
• 18:13
  three
• 18:13
  years
• 18:13
  I,
• 18:13
  I
• 18:14
  had,
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  had
• 18:14
  to
• 18:14
  invent
• 18:15
  something
• 18:15
  and
• 18:16
  to,
• 18:17
  to
• 18:18
  you
• 18:18
  know,
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  keep
• 18:18
  some
• 18:19
  money
• 18:19
  coming
• 18:19
  in.
• 18:21
  So
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  ended
• 18:22
  up
• 18:22
  doing
• 18:22
  a
• 18:22
  show
• 18:23
  up
• 18:23
  on,
• 18:23
  on
• 18:23
  a,
• 18:24
  on
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  really
• 18:24
  remote
• 18:25
  river
• 18:25
  up
• 18:25
  in
• 18:25
  northern
• 18:26
  Ontario,
• 18:26
  Canada,
• 18:26
  fishing
• 18:27
  for
• 18:27
  big
• 18:27
  brook
• 18:27
  trout.
• 18:28
  And
• 18:29
  I'm
• 18:29
  talking
• 18:29
  big
• 18:29
  brook
• 18:29
  trail,
• 18:30
  like
• 18:30
  brook
• 18:30
  trout
• 18:30
  that
• 18:31
  are
• 18:31
  pushing
• 18:31
  double
• 18:32
  digits
• 18:32
  in,
• 18:32
  in,
• 18:32
  in
• 18:33
  weight.
• 18:34
  And
• 18:34
  I,
• 18:35
  you
• 18:35
  know,
• 18:35
  came
• 18:35
  back
• 18:35
  from
• 18:35
  doing
• 18:36
  that
• 18:36
  show
• 18:36
  and
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  said
• 18:37
  to
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  owner,
• 18:37
  I
• 18:37
  said,
• 18:37
  do
• 18:38
  you
• 18:38
  understand
• 18:38
  what
• 18:38
  you've
• 18:38
  got
• 18:39
  going
• 18:39
  on
• 18:39
  here?
• 18:40
  You
• 18:40
  don't
• 18:40
  have
• 18:41
  anybody
• 18:41
  fishing
• 18:41
  these
• 18:41
  rivers
• 18:42
  and
• 18:42
  you've
• 18:43
  got
• 18:43
  a
• 18:43
  plane.
• 18:44
  You
• 18:44
  know,
• 18:44
  let's,
• 18:45
  let's
• 18:45
  work,
• 18:45
  let's
• 18:46
  develop
• 18:46
  a,
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  brook
• 18:48
  trip
• 18:48
  program
• 18:48
  for
• 18:49
  world
• 18:49
  class
• 18:49
  brookies
• 18:49
  in
• 18:50
  the
• 18:50
  river.
• 18:50
  So
• 18:50
  I,
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  consulted
• 18:51
  with
• 18:51
  a
• 18:51
  lot
• 18:51
  of
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  aboriginal
• 18:52
  elders
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  used
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  fish
• 18:54
  those
• 18:54
  rivers
• 18:54
  when
• 18:54
  they
• 18:54
  were
• 18:54
  young.
• 18:55
  And
• 18:56
  we'd
• 18:56
  sit
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  look
• 18:56
  at
• 18:56
  a
• 18:57
  paper
• 18:57
  map
• 18:57
  and,
• 18:57
  and
• 18:58
  you
• 18:59
  know,
• 18:59
  find
• 18:59
  out,
• 18:59
  find
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  river.
• 19:01
  The
• 19:01
  elders
• 19:01
  would
• 19:01
  tell
• 19:02
  me
• 19:02
  what
• 19:02
  they
• 19:02
  thought
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  it.
• 19:02
  We
• 19:02
  jump
• 19:03
  in
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  beaver,
• 19:03
  go
• 19:03
  explore
• 19:04
  that
• 19:04
  river
• 19:04
  and,
• 19:05
  and
• 19:05
  deem
• 19:05
  it,
• 19:06
  whether
• 19:06
  or
• 19:06
  not
• 19:06
  it
• 19:06
  was,
• 19:06
  it
• 19:07
  was
• 19:07
  well
• 19:07
  enough,
• 19:07
  would
• 19:08
  fish
• 19:08
  well
• 19:08
  enough
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  be
• 19:08
  in
• 19:09
  part
• 19:09
  a
• 19:09
  part
• 19:09
  of
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  program.
• 19:10
  So
• 19:10
  that,
• 19:11
  that
• 19:11
  was
• 19:11
  kind
• 19:11
  of
• 19:11
  what
• 19:11
  I
• 19:12
  had
• 19:12
  to,
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  invent
• 19:14
  and
• 19:15
  I
• 19:15
  Did
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  for
• 19:15
  a
• 19:15
  couple
• 19:16
  years.
• 19:16
  You
• 19:16
  know,
• 19:16
  the
• 19:17
  program
• 19:17
  was
• 19:17
  great.
• 19:18
  You
• 19:18
  know,
• 19:18
  people
• 19:18
  catching
• 19:18
  giant,
• 19:19
  giant
• 19:19
  brook
• 19:19
  trout
• 19:20
  regularly.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:22
  then
• 19:22
  I
• 19:22
  got
• 19:22
  laid
• 19:22
  off
• 19:22
  again.
• 19:24
  And
• 19:25
  when
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  got
• 19:26
  laid
• 19:26
  off
• 19:27
  that
• 19:27
  last
• 19:27
  time,
• 19:29
  I
• 19:30
  really
• 19:30
  had
• 19:30
  to
• 19:31
  reevaluate
• 19:32
  where
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  was
• 19:33
  going
• 19:33
  in
• 19:33
  my
• 19:33
  career.
• 19:33
  And,
• 19:34
  you
• 19:34
  know,
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  had
• 19:35
  small.
• 19:35
  I
• 19:36
  had
• 19:36
  a
• 19:36
  young
• 19:36
  family.
• 19:38
  Times
• 19:38
  were
• 19:39
  tough.
• 19:39
  My
• 19:39
  wife.
• 19:40
  My
• 19:40
  wife
• 19:40
  supported
• 19:41
  me
• 19:41
  through
• 19:41
  everything
• 19:42
  and
• 19:42
  was.
• 19:42
  Was
• 19:42
  coming
• 19:43
  to
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  end
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  a
• 19:43
  rope,
• 19:44
  understandably,
• 19:45
  about
• 19:45
  bills
• 19:46
  and,
• 19:46
  you
• 19:46
  know,
• 19:47
  mortgages
• 19:47
  and
• 19:47
  all
• 19:47
  that
• 19:47
  sort
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  stuff.
• 19:48
  And
• 19:49
  I
• 19:49
  said,
• 19:49
  okay,
• 19:50
  I'm
• 19:50
  going
• 19:51
  to
• 19:51
  go
• 19:51
  back
• 19:52
  to
• 19:52
  school.
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  come
• 19:54
  from
• 19:54
  a
• 19:54
  family
• 19:55
  of
• 19:55
  teachers.
• 19:56
  I'm
• 19:57
  going
• 19:57
  to
• 19:57
  go
• 19:57
  to
• 19:58
  go
• 19:58
  get
• 19:58
  my
• 19:58
  master's
• 19:58
  of
• 19:59
  education.
• 19:59
  And
• 20:01
  so
• 20:01
  I
• 20:01
  got
• 20:01
  all
• 20:02
  my
• 20:02
  paperwork
• 20:02
  in
• 20:02
  order
• 20:03
  and
• 20:05
  my
• 20:05
  transcripts
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  everything,
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  I
• 20:07
  sat
• 20:07
  down
• 20:07
  at
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  computer
• 20:08
  with
• 20:08
  my
• 20:08
  credit
• 20:08
  card
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  I
• 20:10
  typed
• 20:10
  in
• 20:10
  all
• 20:11
  the
• 20:11
  information
• 20:11
  that
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  needed
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  do
• 20:12
  for
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  application,
• 20:13
  put
• 20:13
  the
• 20:14
  credit
• 20:14
  card
• 20:14
  number
• 20:14
  in,
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  my
• 20:16
  finger
• 20:16
  hovered
• 20:17
  over
• 20:17
  the
• 20:18
  enter
• 20:18
  button,
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  submit
• 20:20
  button.
• 20:21
  And
• 20:22
  I
• 20:23
  went
• 20:23
  to
• 20:23
  hit
• 20:23
  submit,
• 20:24
  and
• 20:24
  I
• 20:25
  moved
• 20:25
  up
• 20:25
  and
• 20:25
  I
• 20:25
  hit
• 20:25
  delete.
• 20:27
  And
• 20:28
  at
• 20:28
  that
• 20:29
  point
• 20:29
  I
• 20:29
  said
• 20:29
  to
• 20:29
  myself,
• 20:30
  mark,
• 20:30
  you're
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  TV
• 20:31
  guy.
• 20:31
  You've
• 20:31
  always
• 20:31
  been
• 20:32
  a
• 20:32
  TV
• 20:32
  guy.
• 20:32
  You
• 20:33
  got
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  stick
• 20:33
  this
• 20:33
  out
• 20:33
  and
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  got
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  make
• 20:34
  it
• 20:34
  happen.
• 20:35
  So
• 20:36
  about
• 20:36
  three
• 20:36
  months
• 20:36
  after
• 20:37
  that,
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  got
• 20:38
  a
• 20:38
  phone
• 20:39
  call
• 20:39
  from
• 20:39
  Colin.
• 20:40
  He's
• 20:40
  like,
• 20:40
  mark,
• 20:41
  he
• 20:41
  says,
• 20:42
  I
• 20:42
  want
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  diversify
• 20:44
  my
• 20:44
  productions.
• 20:45
  And
• 20:45
  being
• 20:46
  a
• 20:46
  past
• 20:46
  naval
• 20:47
  captain
• 20:48
  and
• 20:48
  doing
• 20:49
  military
• 20:49
  shows.
• 20:50
  He
• 20:50
  said
• 20:50
  he
• 20:50
  wanted
• 20:50
  to
• 20:50
  get
• 20:51
  back
• 20:51
  into
• 20:51
  military
• 20:51
  programming.
• 20:52
  And
• 20:52
  he
• 20:52
  offered
• 20:53
  me
• 20:53
  50%
• 20:54
  or
• 20:54
  he
• 20:54
  offered
• 20:54
  me
• 20:54
  a
• 20:55
  hundred
• 20:55
  percent
• 20:56
  of
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  new
• 20:56
  Fly
• 20:56
  Fish.
• 20:57
  I
• 20:57
  said,
• 20:57
  well,
• 20:57
  Colin,
• 20:57
  how
• 20:57
  does
• 20:57
  that
• 20:58
  look
• 20:59
  like?
• 21:00
  You're
• 21:00
  the
• 21:01
  face
• 21:01
  of
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  network.
• 21:01
  You're
• 21:01
  the
• 21:02
  business
• 21:02
  guy
• 21:02
  for
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  show.
• 21:03
  You're
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  business
• 21:04
  guy,
• 21:05
  you
• 21:05
  know.
• 21:06
  He
• 21:07
  said,
• 21:07
  I'll
• 21:07
  just
• 21:07
  sell
• 21:07
  you
• 21:07
  a
• 21:07
  hundred
• 21:08
  percent.
• 21:08
  I'll
• 21:08
  sit
• 21:08
  with
• 21:08
  you
• 21:09
  for
• 21:09
  a
• 21:09
  couple
• 21:09
  months
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  get
• 21:09
  you
• 21:10
  up
• 21:10
  to
• 21:10
  speed,
• 21:11
  and
• 21:11
  it,
• 21:11
  it'll
• 21:11
  be
• 21:12
  yours.
• 21:12
  I
• 21:13
  said,
• 21:13
  I'm
• 21:13
  not
• 21:13
  interested.
• 21:14
  Not
• 21:14
  interested
• 21:14
  at
• 21:15
  all.
• 21:15
  That
• 21:15
  is
• 21:15
  a
• 21:15
  recipe
• 21:16
  for
• 21:16
  disaster.
• 21:16
  I
• 21:17
  don't
• 21:17
  know
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  business.
• 21:18
  All
• 21:18
  the.
• 21:19
  All
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  productions
• 21:20
  I
• 21:20
  ever
• 21:20
  did
• 21:20
  were
• 21:20
  funded
• 21:21
  by
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  network.
• 21:21
  I
• 21:22
  didn't
• 21:22
  have
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  go
• 21:22
  and
• 21:22
  chase
• 21:23
  money.
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  was
• 21:24
  given
• 21:25
  free
• 21:25
  reign
• 21:25
  to
• 21:25
  do
• 21:25
  whatever
• 21:26
  I
• 21:26
  want
• 21:26
  at
• 21:27
  those
• 21:27
  networks.
• 21:29
  And
• 21:30
  so
• 21:30
  I
• 21:30
  said
• 21:30
  no.
• 21:32
  A
• 21:33
  couple
• 21:33
  weeks
• 21:33
  later,
• 21:33
  he
• 21:33
  called
• 21:34
  me.
• 21:34
  He
• 21:34
  said,
• 21:35
  I've
• 21:35
  got
• 21:35
  Heather,
• 21:35
  his
• 21:35
  wife,
• 21:36
  on
• 21:36
  the
• 21:36
  line.
• 21:37
  Go
• 21:37
  get
• 21:37
  Jennifer,
• 21:38
  my
• 21:38
  wife,
• 21:39
  and
• 21:39
  we
• 21:39
  need
• 21:40
  to
• 21:40
  have
• 21:40
  a
• 21:40
  chat.
• 21:41
  So
• 21:41
  he
• 21:42
  sat
• 21:42
  down
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  four
• 21:43
  of
• 21:43
  us
• 21:43
  talked.
• 21:43
  And
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  ultimate
• 21:45
  offer
• 21:45
  was
• 21:45
  50%
• 21:47
  ownership.
• 21:48
  And
• 21:48
  we
• 21:48
  would.
• 21:48
  He
• 21:49
  would
• 21:49
  stay
• 21:49
  on
• 21:49
  for
• 21:50
  two
• 21:50
  years
• 21:51
  to,
• 21:51
  to
• 21:52
  steer
• 21:52
  me
• 21:52
  through
• 21:53
  the.
• 21:53
  The
• 21:53
  business
• 21:53
  side
• 21:54
  of
• 21:54
  It
• 21:55
  And
• 21:56
  Jen
• 21:56
  and
• 21:56
  I
• 21:57
  convened
• 21:57
  and
• 21:57
  said,
• 21:58
  you
• 21:58
  got
• 21:58
  a
• 21:58
  deal.
• 21:58
  Let's
• 21:59
  do
• 21:59
  this.
• 22:00
  Well,
• 22:00
  little
• 22:01
  did
• 22:01
  we
• 22:01
  know
• 22:01
  that
• 22:01
  Covid
• 22:02
  would,
• 22:02
  would
• 22:03
  come
• 22:03
  into
• 22:03
  play.
• 22:04
  And
• 22:05
  those
• 22:05
  two
• 22:05
  years
• 22:06
  span
• 22:07
  to
• 22:07
  seven,
• 22:09
  where,
• 22:09
  where
• 22:10
  we
• 22:10
  were
• 22:10
  still
• 22:10
  50,
• 22:11
  50
• 22:11
  partners.
• 22:14
  Yeah.
• 22:14
  And
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  know,
• 22:15
  in
• 22:16
  June
• 22:16
  of
• 22:16
  2024,
• 22:17
  we
• 22:17
  sealed
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  deal.
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  took
• 22:18
  over
• 22:19
  100%
• 22:19
  and
• 22:21
  it's,
• 22:21
  it's
• 22:22
  been,
• 22:22
  it's
• 22:22
  been
• 22:22
  a,
• 22:22
  it's
• 22:23
  been
• 22:23
  a
• 22:23
  great
• 22:23
  ride
• 22:23
  from
• 22:24
  there.
• 22:24
  But
• 22:24
  the,
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  lowest
• 22:25
  part
• 22:26
  to
• 22:26
  get
• 22:26
  back
• 22:26
  to
• 22:26
  your
• 22:26
  question
• 22:27
  is
• 22:28
  that
• 22:28
  hovering
• 22:29
  over
• 22:29
  the
• 22:30
  accept
• 22:31
  or
• 22:32
  submit
• 22:32
  button
• 22:34
  and
• 22:35
  going
• 22:36
  to
• 22:36
  the
• 22:36
  wheat.
• 22:36
  And
• 22:37
  I'll
• 22:37
  tell
• 22:37
  you,
• 22:37
  man,
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  shed
• 22:39
  many
• 22:39
  tears
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  night
• 22:40
  because
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  fear
• 22:42
  of
• 22:43
  what
• 22:43
  am
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  going
• 22:43
  to
• 22:43
  do
• 22:44
  now?
• 22:45
  Was
• 22:46
  so
• 22:46
  overwhelming.
• 22:47
  But
• 22:48
  my,
• 22:48
  my
• 22:48
  gut
• 22:49
  and
• 22:49
  my
• 22:49
  heart
• 22:49
  said,
• 22:50
  you
• 22:50
  got,
• 22:50
  you
• 22:51
  got
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  stay
• 22:51
  in
• 22:51
  television,
• 22:51
  got
• 22:52
  to
• 22:52
  figure
• 22:52
  it
• 22:52
  out.
• 22:53
  And
• 22:54
  we
• 22:54
  did.
• 22:55
  Yeah,
• 22:56
  it's
• 22:56
  an
• 22:56
  amazing
• 22:56
  thing.
• 22:56
  I
• 22:57
  mean,
• 22:57
  I
• 22:57
  think,
• 22:57
  you
• 22:57
  know,
• 22:57
  as
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  get
• 22:58
  older,
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  kind
• 22:59
  of
• 22:59
  can
• 22:59
  see
• 22:59
  those
• 22:59
  like,
• 23:00
  forks
• 23:00
  in
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  road
• 23:01
  a
• 23:01
  lot
• 23:01
  more
• 23:01
  clearly.
• 23:02
  Right.
• 23:03
  And
• 23:04
  kind
• 23:04
  of
• 23:04
  like
• 23:04
  how
• 23:04
  different
• 23:05
  your
• 23:05
  life
• 23:05
  would
• 23:05
  be.
• 23:06
  You
• 23:06
  know,
• 23:07
  first
• 23:07
  of
• 23:07
  all,
• 23:07
  we
• 23:07
  wouldn't
• 23:07
  be
• 23:07
  talking.
• 23:08
  You'd
• 23:08
  be
• 23:08
  teaching
• 23:08
  something.
• 23:09
  Right.
• 23:10
  And
• 23:10
  I'm
• 23:10
  happy
• 23:11
  probably.
• 23:11
  Yeah.
• 23:11
  I
• 23:11
  mean,
• 23:12
  it's
• 23:12
  an
• 23:12
  interesting
• 23:12
  thing.
• 23:13
  Right.
• 23:13
  And,
• 23:13
  and
• 23:14
  yeah,
• 23:15
  I
• 23:15
  mean
• 23:15
  I
• 23:15
  kind
• 23:15
  of
• 23:15
  went
• 23:15
  through
• 23:15
  a
• 23:16
  similar
• 23:16
  experience
• 23:16
  with
• 23:16
  the
• 23:17
  kind
• 23:17
  of
• 23:17
  the
• 23:17
  Great
• 23:17
  Recession
• 23:18
  and
• 23:18
  I
• 23:19
  wouldn't
• 23:19
  be
• 23:19
  sitting
• 23:19
  here
• 23:19
  talking
• 23:20
  to
• 23:20
  you
• 23:20
  now
• 23:20
  if
• 23:20
  it
• 23:20
  wasn't
• 23:20
  for
• 23:21
  that.
• 23:21
  So.
• 23:22
  Yeah,
• 23:22
  it's
• 23:23
  amazing
• 23:23
  stuff.
• 23:23
  You
• 23:23
  know,
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  interesting
• 23:24
  thing
• 23:24
  too
• 23:24
  though
• 23:24
  is,
• 23:24
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  can
• 23:25
  remember
• 23:26
  watching
• 23:27
  those
• 23:27
  very
• 23:27
  early
• 23:27
  episodes
• 23:28
  because
• 23:28
  you're
• 23:28
  almost
• 23:28
  like,
• 23:29
  hi,
• 23:29
  I'm
• 23:29
  Mark
• 23:29
  Melnick,
• 23:30
  I'm
• 23:30
  kind
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  gear
• 23:30
  guy.
• 23:30
  I'm
• 23:31
  here
• 23:31
  fly
• 23:31
  fishing
• 23:31
  with
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  new
• 23:32
  fly
• 23:32
  fisher.
• 23:32
  Right.
• 23:33
  You
• 23:33
  know,
• 23:33
  how
• 23:34
  was
• 23:34
  it
• 23:34
  kind
• 23:34
  of
• 23:35
  going
• 23:35
  from,
• 23:36
  you
• 23:37
  know,
• 23:37
  a
• 23:38
  not
• 23:38
  a
• 23:38
  super
• 23:38
  experienced
• 23:39
  flyingler
• 23:40
  to
• 23:40
  an
• 23:40
  experienced
• 23:40
  flyingler
• 23:41
  over
• 23:41
  kind
• 23:41
  of
• 23:42
  the,
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  know,
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  arc
• 23:42
  of
• 23:42
  your
• 23:43
  time
• 23:43
  so
• 23:43
  far
• 23:43
  with
• 23:43
  the
• 23:44
  show
• 23:44
  and
• 23:44
  kind
• 23:45
  of
• 23:45
  how
• 23:45
  did
• 23:45
  that
• 23:45
  impact
• 23:45
  your
• 23:46
  approach
• 23:46
  and
• 23:46
  kind
• 23:47
  of
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  content
• 23:47
  you
• 23:47
  created?
• 23:49
  So
• 23:49
  the
• 23:49
  first
• 23:49
  couple
• 23:50
  of
• 23:50
  years
• 23:50
  were
• 23:51
  really,
• 23:52
  as
• 23:52
  a
• 23:52
  host
• 23:53
  were
• 23:53
  really
• 23:54
  nerve
• 23:54
  wracking
• 23:54
  because
• 23:56
  I'm
• 23:57
  a
• 23:57
  very
• 23:57
  self
• 23:57
  conscious
• 23:58
  person.
• 24:00
  I
• 24:00
  bruise
• 24:00
  very
• 24:00
  easily.
• 24:02
  And
• 24:03
  it's,
• 24:04
  it's
• 24:04
  one
• 24:04
  of
• 24:04
  those
• 24:05
  things
• 24:05
  where
• 24:05
  you
• 24:06
  got
• 24:06
  Internet
• 24:06
  trolls
• 24:07
  that,
• 24:08
  that
• 24:08
  rip
• 24:08
  you
• 24:08
  apart
• 24:09
  and
• 24:09
  are
• 24:09
  merciless
• 24:10
  in,
• 24:11
  in
• 24:11
  what,
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  what
• 24:12
  they,
• 24:12
  they
• 24:13
  say
• 24:13
  and
• 24:13
  what
• 24:13
  they
• 24:14
  do.
• 24:16
  And,
• 24:16
  and
• 24:16
  it
• 24:16
  was,
• 24:16
  it
• 24:16
  was
• 24:17
  really,
• 24:17
  it
• 24:17
  was
• 24:17
  really
• 24:17
  tough
• 24:18
  to,
• 24:18
  to,
• 24:18
  to,
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  watch
• 24:20
  that
• 24:21
  happen
• 24:21
  and
• 24:21
  to
• 24:22
  read
• 24:22
  that
• 24:22
  stuff
• 24:22
  and
• 24:23
  you
• 24:23
  know,
• 24:23
  it's,
• 24:27
  it.
• 24:28
  But
• 24:28
  it's,
• 24:28
  it's
• 24:29
  kind
• 24:29
  of
• 24:29
  like
• 24:29
  you
• 24:30
  gotta
• 24:30
  find
• 24:30
  your
• 24:30
  own
• 24:31
  confidence
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  the
• 24:33
  fact
• 24:33
  that
• 24:34
  Colin
• 24:35
  believed
• 24:36
  enough
• 24:36
  in
• 24:36
  me
• 24:37
  to
• 24:37
  keep
• 24:37
  me
• 24:37
  on
• 24:37
  the
• 24:37
  show
• 24:39
  was
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  confidence
• 24:40
  that
• 24:40
  I
• 24:40
  needed
• 24:41
  to.
• 24:41
  To
• 24:41
  be
• 24:41
  able
• 24:42
  to
• 24:42
  keep
• 24:42
  going
• 24:42
  amidst
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  learning
• 24:44
  curve.
• 24:44
  Remember,
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  show
• 24:45
  is
• 24:45
  called
• 24:46
  the
• 24:46
  New
• 24:46
  Fly
• 24:46
  Fisher,
• 24:47
  after
• 24:47
  all.
• 24:47
  And
• 24:48
  you
• 24:48
  know,
• 24:49
  everybody
• 24:49
  that
• 24:49
  fly
• 24:50
  fishes,
• 24:51
  no
• 24:51
  matter
• 24:51
  how
• 24:51
  experienced
• 24:52
  you
• 24:52
  are,
• 24:53
  it.
• 24:53
  There's
• 24:54
  always
• 24:54
  something
• 24:54
  new
• 24:54
  that,
• 24:55
  that
• 24:55
  comes
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  you.
• 24:57
  So
• 24:57
  Colin
• 24:58
  was
• 24:58
  a,
• 24:58
  Was
• 24:58
  a
• 24:58
  huge
• 24:59
  help
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  that.
• 25:00
  And,
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  then
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  guides
• 25:02
  that
• 25:02
  I
• 25:02
  would,
• 25:02
  I
• 25:02
  would
• 25:03
  fish
• 25:03
  with
• 25:03
  and,
• 25:03
  and
• 25:04
  the
• 25:04
  outfitters
• 25:04
  were,
• 25:05
  Were
• 25:05
  wonderful
• 25:06
  because
• 25:07
  the
• 25:08
  genesis
• 25:08
  of
• 25:08
  the
• 25:08
  show
• 25:09
  is
• 25:09
  education.
• 25:11
  So
• 25:11
  if
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  can,
• 25:12
  if
• 25:12
  I
• 25:12
  can
• 25:12
  learn
• 25:13
  from
• 25:13
  a
• 25:14
  guide,
• 25:14
  if
• 25:14
  I
• 25:14
  can
• 25:14
  be
• 25:14
  the
• 25:15
  avenue
• 25:15
  of.
• 25:15
  Of
• 25:16
  in
• 25:16
  information
• 25:17
  from
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  guide
• 25:18
  to
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  viewer,
• 25:19
  then
• 25:19
  it's
• 25:19
  a
• 25:19
  success.
• 25:20
  And
• 25:20
  it
• 25:20
  doesn't.
• 25:20
  Like
• 25:20
  I
• 25:21
  always
• 25:21
  say,
• 25:21
  fish
• 25:21
  don't
• 25:21
  matter
• 25:21
  what
• 25:21
  your
• 25:22
  cast
• 25:22
  look
• 25:22
  like.
• 25:23
  You
• 25:23
  know,
• 25:23
  it's,
• 25:24
  it's.
• 25:24
  It.
• 25:25
  I.
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  transform
• 25:26
  my
• 25:26
  mind
• 25:27
  frame
• 25:27
  to,
• 25:27
  to
• 25:27
  think
• 25:27
  of
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  that
• 25:28
  way.
• 25:29
  And
• 25:29
  then
• 25:29
  by
• 25:29
  fishing
• 25:30
  with
• 25:30
  all
• 25:30
  these
• 25:30
  fantastic
• 25:31
  outfitters
• 25:32
  and
• 25:32
  lodges
• 25:32
  and
• 25:33
  guides,
• 25:34
  your
• 25:34
  learning
• 25:35
  curve
• 25:35
  doubles
• 25:35
  over
• 25:36
  backwards.
• 25:36
  And.
• 25:36
  And
• 25:37
  it's
• 25:37
  just
• 25:37
  one
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  those
• 25:38
  things
• 25:38
  that,
• 25:39
  you
• 25:39
  know,
• 25:40
  just
• 25:40
  like
• 25:40
  downhill
• 25:41
  skiing,
• 25:41
  the
• 25:41
  more
• 25:41
  you
• 25:41
  practice,
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  better
• 25:42
  you
• 25:42
  get.
• 25:43
  I
• 25:43
  mean,
• 25:44
  even
• 25:44
  today,
• 25:44
  Marvin,
• 25:45
  I've
• 25:45
  got.
• 25:45
  Well,
• 25:45
  not
• 25:46
  now,
• 25:46
  because
• 25:46
  I
• 25:46
  got
• 25:46
  3.3ft
• 25:47
  of
• 25:47
  snow
• 25:47
  on
• 25:47
  the
• 25:47
  lawn,
• 25:47
  but
• 25:48
  I've
• 25:48
  got
• 25:49
  fly
• 25:50
  rods
• 25:50
  that
• 25:50
  are
• 25:51
  always
• 25:51
  rigged
• 25:52
  in
• 25:52
  my
• 25:52
  backyard.
• 25:54
  And
• 25:54
  if
• 25:54
  I'm
• 25:54
  having
• 25:54
  a
• 25:55
  stressful
• 25:55
  day,
• 25:55
  I'll
• 25:55
  go
• 25:55
  cast
• 25:56
  for
• 25:56
  an
• 25:56
  hour,
• 25:57
  right?
• 25:57
  I'll
• 25:57
  just
• 25:57
  cast
• 25:57
  on
• 25:58
  the
• 25:58
  lawn.
• 25:58
  I'll
• 25:58
  try
• 25:58
  to.
• 25:59
  Try
• 25:59
  to
• 25:59
  put
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  fly
• 26:00
  close
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  my
• 26:00
  chickens
• 26:01
  kind
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  thing
• 26:01
  and
• 26:02
  watch
• 26:02
  them
• 26:02
  run
• 26:02
  around
• 26:02
  and
• 26:03
  then
• 26:03
  hit
• 26:03
  it
• 26:03
  again
• 26:03
  kind
• 26:04
  of
• 26:04
  deal.
• 26:06
  Yeah,
• 26:06
  so
• 26:06
  it.
• 26:08
  The
• 26:08
  early
• 26:09
  days
• 26:09
  were
• 26:09
  tough,
• 26:10
  but
• 26:10
  I
• 26:10
  had
• 26:11
  a
• 26:11
  support
• 26:11
  network
• 26:11
  that
• 26:13
  showed
• 26:13
  me
• 26:13
  that
• 26:14
  it's
• 26:14
  okay
• 26:14
  to
• 26:14
  fuck
• 26:14
  up,
• 26:15
  it's
• 26:15
  okay
• 26:15
  to,
• 26:16
  to.
• 26:17
  To
• 26:18
  get
• 26:18
  tangled
• 26:18
  and
• 26:19
  to
• 26:19
  land
• 26:19
  in
• 26:19
  trees
• 26:20
  and,
• 26:20
  and
• 26:20
  to
• 26:20
  lose
• 26:21
  giant
• 26:21
  fish
• 26:21
  and
• 26:21
  all
• 26:21
  that
• 26:22
  stuff.
• 26:22
  So,
• 26:23
  yeah,
• 26:24
  it's
• 26:25
  been
• 26:25
  interesting.
• 26:25
  It's
• 26:26
  been
• 26:26
  interesting.
• 26:27
  Very
• 26:27
  neat.
• 26:28
  You
• 26:28
  know,
• 26:28
  it's
• 26:28
  kind
• 26:28
  of
• 26:28
  funny.
• 26:28
  Cause
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  was
• 26:29
  thinking
• 26:29
  when
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  was
• 26:29
  preparing
• 26:30
  for
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  interview,
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  first
• 26:31
  time
• 26:31
  I
• 26:31
  met
• 26:31
  Colin
• 26:31
  and
• 26:32
  Bill
• 26:33
  was
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  one
• 26:33
  year
• 26:34
  that
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  fly
• 26:34
  fishing
• 26:34
  show
• 26:35
  was
• 26:35
  in
• 26:35
  Raleigh
• 26:35
  at
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  fairgrounds.
• 26:37
  And
• 26:37
  I
• 26:38
  can
• 26:38
  remember
• 26:39
  this
• 26:39
  would
• 26:39
  have
• 26:39
  been,
• 26:40
  gosh,
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  don't
• 26:41
  know,
• 26:41
  I
• 26:41
  was
• 26:41
  just
• 26:42
  ballparking
• 26:43
  it
• 26:43
  maybe
• 26:46
  15
• 26:46
  years,
• 26:46
  give
• 26:47
  or
• 26:47
  take,
• 26:47
  right?
• 26:48
  And
• 26:48
  I
• 26:48
  can
• 26:48
  remember
• 26:48
  talking
• 26:49
  to
• 26:49
  Colin
• 26:49
  about
• 26:50
  the
• 26:51
  production
• 26:51
  qualities.
• 26:51
  Like
• 26:52
  what
• 26:52
  we're
• 26:52
  targeting
• 26:53
  right
• 26:53
  now
• 26:53
  is
• 26:54
  we
• 26:54
  want
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  be
• 26:54
  able
• 26:54
  to
• 26:55
  have
• 26:55
  the
• 26:55
  new
• 26:55
  Fly
• 26:55
  fisher
• 26:56
  on
• 26:56
  public
• 26:56
  broadcasting
• 26:57
  stations,
• 26:58
  which
• 26:58
  was
• 26:59
  really
• 26:59
  different.
• 26:59
  But
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  think
• 26:59
  the
• 27:00
  show's
• 27:00
  even
• 27:00
  more
• 27:00
  different
• 27:01
  than
• 27:01
  that.
• 27:01
  And
• 27:01
  it's
• 27:01
  certainly
• 27:02
  very
• 27:02
  different
• 27:02
  than
• 27:03
  Kind
• 27:03
  of
• 27:03
  your
• 27:03
  traditional
• 27:04
  go
• 27:04
  sit
• 27:04
  in
• 27:05
  a
• 27:05
  ranger,
• 27:06
  rip
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  face
• 27:06
  off
• 27:06
  a
• 27:07
  bunch
• 27:07
  of
• 27:07
  largemouth
• 27:07
  bass
• 27:08
  and
• 27:08
  then,
• 27:09
  you
• 27:09
  know,
• 27:09
  plug
• 27:09
  some
• 27:09
  sponsor
• 27:10
  stuff
• 27:10
  and
• 27:10
  go
• 27:10
  home.
• 27:11
  Talk
• 27:11
  to
• 27:11
  me
• 27:11
  a
• 27:12
  little
• 27:12
  bit
• 27:12
  about
• 27:12
  kind
• 27:12
  of
• 27:13
  how
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  new
• 27:13
  fly
• 27:13
  fisher
• 27:14
  is
• 27:14
  different
• 27:14
  kind
• 27:15
  of
• 27:15
  from
• 27:15
  a
• 27:15
  production
• 27:15
  design
• 27:16
  and
• 27:16
  philosophy
• 27:16
  and
• 27:17
  kind
• 27:17
  of
• 27:17
  how
• 27:17
  you're
• 27:18
  different
• 27:18
  from
• 27:18
  other,
• 27:18
  let's
• 27:18
  say,
• 27:19
  quote
• 27:19
  fishing
• 27:19
  shows.
• 27:20
  Yeah,
• 27:21
  yeah,
• 27:21
  it's
• 27:21
  a
• 27:21
  great
• 27:22
  question.
• 27:22
  And,
• 27:22
  and
• 27:23
  I
• 27:23
  think
• 27:23
  what
• 27:24
  separates
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  new
• 27:24
  fly
• 27:25
  fisher
• 27:25
  from,
• 27:26
  from
• 27:26
  most
• 27:26
  others
• 27:27
  is
• 27:27
  the
• 27:27
  fact
• 27:27
  that
• 27:28
  we,
• 27:28
  we,
• 27:29
  we've
• 27:29
  never
• 27:30
  deviated
• 27:30
  from
• 27:31
  the
• 27:32
  original
• 27:32
  concept
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  the,
• 27:34
  of
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  series,
• 27:35
  which
• 27:36
  is
• 27:36
  based
• 27:36
  in
• 27:36
  education
• 27:37
  and
• 27:39
  conservation.
• 27:40
  Right.
• 27:40
  So
• 27:41
  as,
• 27:41
  as
• 27:41
  fly
• 27:42
  fishers
• 27:42
  as
• 27:42
  you
• 27:42
  know,
• 27:42
  we
• 27:43
  have
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  huge
• 27:43
  responsibility
• 27:44
  to,
• 27:45
  to
• 27:46
  conserve
• 27:46
  our
• 27:46
  waters,
• 27:48
  look
• 27:48
  after
• 27:49
  land
• 27:49
  that
• 27:49
  our
• 27:49
  waters
• 27:50
  run
• 27:50
  through
• 27:51
  and
• 27:52
  offer
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  avenue
• 27:53
  of
• 27:53
  education
• 27:54
  for
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  younger
• 27:56
  up
• 27:56
  and
• 27:56
  coming
• 27:56
  fly
• 27:57
  fishers
• 27:57
  to
• 27:57
  be
• 27:58
  able
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  access
• 27:58
  the
• 27:59
  sport.
• 28:00
  You
• 28:00
  know,
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  believe
• 28:01
  long
• 28:01
  gone
• 28:02
  are
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  days
• 28:02
  of,
• 28:03
  of
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  elitist,
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  elite
• 28:06
  imagery
• 28:06
  of
• 28:06
  fly
• 28:07
  fishing.
• 28:07
  When
• 28:07
  you
• 28:07
  see
• 28:07
  kids
• 28:08
  on
• 28:08
  BMX
• 28:09
  bikes
• 28:09
  going
• 28:09
  down
• 28:09
  to
• 28:10
  the
• 28:10
  harbor,
• 28:10
  you
• 28:11
  know,
• 28:11
  in
• 28:11
  an
• 28:11
  urban
• 28:11
  center
• 28:12
  with
• 28:12
  fly
• 28:12
  rods
• 28:12
  sticking
• 28:13
  out
• 28:13
  of
• 28:13
  their
• 28:13
  backpacks,
• 28:14
  kind
• 28:14
  of
• 28:14
  thing
• 28:14
  like,
• 28:14
  that's
• 28:14
  a
• 28:15
  win.
• 28:15
  That's
• 28:15
  a
• 28:15
  win
• 28:16
  for
• 28:16
  us.
• 28:17
  The
• 28:18
  other
• 28:18
  thing
• 28:18
  that,
• 28:18
  that
• 28:18
  sets
• 28:19
  us
• 28:19
  apart
• 28:19
  is
• 28:21
  our
• 28:21
  production
• 28:22
  value.
• 28:23
  I
• 28:23
  take
• 28:24
  great
• 28:24
  pride
• 28:24
  in
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  best
• 28:25
  possible
• 28:25
  production
• 28:26
  value
• 28:26
  we
• 28:26
  can
• 28:27
  offer
• 28:27
  our
• 28:27
  viewers.
• 28:28
  And,
• 28:28
  and
• 28:28
  we
• 28:28
  have
• 28:29
  some
• 28:29
  of
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  finest
• 28:30
  camera
• 28:30
  people
• 28:30
  and
• 28:31
  technical
• 28:31
  people
• 28:32
  behind
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  scenes
• 28:33
  that
• 28:34
  really
• 28:34
  take
• 28:34
  pride
• 28:35
  in,
• 28:35
  in,
• 28:36
  in
• 28:36
  what
• 28:37
  they
• 28:37
  do.
• 28:38
  One
• 28:38
  of
• 28:38
  my
• 28:38
  camera
• 28:39
  guys,
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  guy
• 28:39
  who's
• 28:39
  been
• 28:40
  with
• 28:40
  us
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  longest,
• 28:40
  he,
• 28:41
  he's
• 28:41
  never
• 28:42
  picked
• 28:42
  up
• 28:42
  a
• 28:42
  fly
• 28:42
  rod.
• 28:42
  He
• 28:43
  doesn't
• 28:43
  fish,
• 28:43
  but
• 28:44
  he's
• 28:44
  a
• 28:44
  storyteller
• 28:45
  at
• 28:45
  heart.
• 28:45
  He's,
• 28:45
  he's
• 28:46
  a
• 28:46
  documentary
• 28:46
  producer,
• 28:47
  director
• 28:48
  and
• 28:48
  he,
• 28:49
  he
• 28:49
  helps,
• 28:50
  they
• 28:50
  all
• 28:50
  help
• 28:51
  me
• 28:51
  with
• 28:51
  this,
• 28:52
  with
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  storytelling.
• 28:54
  The
• 28:54
  fact
• 28:54
  that
• 28:54
  we
• 28:55
  are
• 28:57
  non
• 28:58
  combative
• 28:58
  in
• 28:58
  any
• 28:59
  way.
• 28:59
  We
• 28:59
  have
• 28:59
  open,
• 29:00
  we
• 29:00
  have
• 29:00
  an
• 29:00
  open
• 29:00
  book
• 29:01
  policy
• 29:01
  with
• 29:01
  respect
• 29:02
  to
• 29:02
  the
• 29:02
  education
• 29:02
  that
• 29:03
  we
• 29:03
  give
• 29:03
  our
• 29:03
  viewers.
• 29:04
  There
• 29:04
  are
• 29:04
  no
• 29:04
  secrets.
• 29:05
  You
• 29:05
  know,
• 29:06
  we
• 29:06
  show
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  flies
• 29:06
  that
• 29:07
  are
• 29:07
  working,
• 29:07
  we
• 29:07
  show
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  techniques
• 29:10
  that
• 29:10
  are
• 29:10
  working,
• 29:10
  we
• 29:11
  show
• 29:11
  the
• 29:11
  techniques
• 29:11
  where
• 29:12
  we
• 29:12
  screw
• 29:12
  up.
• 29:12
  We,
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  know,
• 29:14
  what
• 29:14
  we
• 29:14
  show
• 29:15
  in
• 29:15
  an
• 29:15
  episode
• 29:16
  of
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  New
• 29:16
  Fly
• 29:16
  Fisher
• 29:17
  is
• 29:17
  how
• 29:17
  a
• 29:17
  real
• 29:18
  day
• 29:18
  happens
• 29:19
  on
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  water
• 29:19
  for
• 29:20
  Joe
• 29:20
  Blow.
• 29:21
  And
• 29:22
  you
• 29:22
  know,
• 29:22
  and
• 29:23
  I
• 29:23
  take
• 29:24
  great
• 29:24
  pride
• 29:24
  in
• 29:24
  that
• 29:24
  because
• 29:25
  people
• 29:26
  that
• 29:26
  are
• 29:26
  looking
• 29:26
  for
• 29:27
  a
• 29:27
  destination
• 29:27
  to
• 29:27
  go
• 29:28
  fly
• 29:28
  fishing
• 29:28
  could
• 29:28
  call
• 29:29
  up
• 29:29
  one
• 29:29
  of
• 29:29
  our
• 29:29
  videos
• 29:30
  and
• 29:30
  say,
• 29:30
  and
• 29:31
  I
• 29:31
  can
• 29:31
  say
• 29:31
  to
• 29:31
  them,
• 29:31
  this
• 29:32
  is
• 29:32
  exactly
• 29:33
  what
• 29:33
  this
• 29:34
  might
• 29:34
  be
• 29:34
  like
• 29:34
  if
• 29:35
  you
• 29:35
  decide
• 29:35
  to
• 29:35
  go
• 29:35
  there.
• 29:36
  So,
• 29:37
  you
• 29:37
  know,
• 29:38
  an
• 29:38
  open
• 29:38
  book
• 29:38
  policy,
• 29:39
  great
• 29:39
  production
• 29:40
  value
• 29:41
  and
• 29:41
  the
• 29:41
  willingness
• 29:42
  to
• 29:42
  be,
• 29:42
  to
• 29:43
  be
• 29:43
  open
• 29:43
  with
• 29:44
  our
• 29:44
  viewers
• 29:44
  is
• 29:45
  what
• 29:45
  I
• 29:46
  believe
• 29:46
  to
• 29:46
  be
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  key
• 29:47
  to
• 29:47
  our
• 29:47
  success.
• 29:49
  Very
• 29:49
  neat.
• 29:49
  And
• 29:49
  kind
• 29:49
  of
• 29:49
  focusing
• 29:50
  on
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  storytelling
• 29:51
  component.
• 29:52
  You
• 29:52
  know,
• 29:52
  you
• 29:52
  said
• 29:52
  storytelling's,
• 29:53
  you
• 29:53
  know,
• 29:54
  very
• 29:54
  important
• 29:54
  to
• 29:54
  you.
• 29:55
  You
• 29:55
  know,
• 29:55
  talk
• 29:55
  to
• 29:55
  me
• 29:56
  a
• 29:56
  little
• 29:56
  bit
• 29:56
  about
• 29:56
  your
• 29:57
  storytelling
• 29:58
  philosophy
• 29:58
  and
• 29:59
  why
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  think
• 29:59
  the
• 29:59
  storytelling
• 30:00
  is
• 30:00
  so
• 30:00
  critical
• 30:01
  to
• 30:01
  creating
• 30:01
  great
• 30:01
  content.
• 30:03
  Yeah,
• 30:03
  another
• 30:03
  great
• 30:04
  question.
• 30:04
  So
• 30:05
  when
• 30:05
  I,
• 30:05
  when
• 30:05
  I
• 30:06
  arrived
• 30:06
  at
• 30:06
  the
• 30:06
  new
• 30:07
  Fly
• 30:07
  Fisher
• 30:07
  as
• 30:08
  a
• 30:08
  partner,
• 30:09
  the
• 30:09
  format
• 30:09
  was
• 30:10
  a
• 30:10
  23
• 30:11
  minute
• 30:11
  broadcast
• 30:11
  version
• 30:12
  of
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  show.
• 30:14
  And
• 30:14
  it
• 30:14
  was,
• 30:15
  and
• 30:15
  it
• 30:15
  was
• 30:15
  rooted,
• 30:16
  it
• 30:16
  was
• 30:16
  rooted
• 30:16
  solely
• 30:17
  in
• 30:17
  education
• 30:17
  and
• 30:17
  conservation
• 30:19
  with
• 30:19
  a
• 30:20
  little
• 30:20
  bit
• 30:20
  of
• 30:20
  travel
• 30:21
  into
• 30:21
  it.
• 30:22
  And,
• 30:22
  you
• 30:23
  know,
• 30:23
  Colin
• 30:23
  and
• 30:23
  I
• 30:23
  sat
• 30:24
  down
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  said,
• 30:24
  how
• 30:24
  can
• 30:24
  we
• 30:25
  make
• 30:25
  this
• 30:25
  better?
• 30:26
  And
• 30:26
  through
• 30:26
  my
• 30:26
  background
• 30:27
  of
• 30:27
  storytelling,
• 30:28
  you
• 30:29
  know,
• 30:29
  we
• 30:29
  sort
• 30:30
  of
• 30:30
  came
• 30:30
  to
• 30:30
  the
• 30:30
  idea
• 30:31
  that
• 30:31
  we've
• 30:31
  got
• 30:31
  this
• 30:32
  platform
• 30:32
  called
• 30:33
  YouTube
• 30:33
  where
• 30:34
  we
• 30:34
  can,
• 30:34
  where
• 30:34
  we
• 30:35
  can
• 30:35
  show
• 30:36
  extended
• 30:36
  play
• 30:37
  versions
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  our.
• 30:38
  Of
• 30:38
  our
• 30:38
  episodes.
• 30:38
  So
• 30:39
  people
• 30:39
  aren't
• 30:40
  are,
• 30:40
  you
• 30:40
  know,
• 30:41
  shackled
• 30:41
  by
• 30:41
  20.
• 30:42
  A
• 30:42
  23
• 30:42
  minute
• 30:43
  version,
• 30:43
  which
• 30:44
  allows
• 30:44
  us
• 30:44
  to
• 30:44
  tell
• 30:44
  the
• 30:45
  story
• 30:45
  as
• 30:45
  it
• 30:45
  really
• 30:45
  happens.
• 30:46
  So
• 30:46
  what
• 30:46
  we
• 30:46
  do
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  as.
• 30:48
  As
• 30:49
  for
• 30:50
  anybody
• 30:50
  that
• 30:50
  watches
• 30:51
  tv,
• 30:52
  you
• 30:52
  know,
• 30:52
  whether
• 30:52
  they
• 30:53
  know
• 30:53
  it
• 30:53
  or
• 30:53
  not,
• 30:53
  there's
• 30:53
  four
• 30:54
  blocks
• 30:54
  to
• 30:54
  every
• 30:54
  show.
• 30:55
  Block
• 30:56
  one,
• 30:56
  commercial
• 30:56
  block
• 30:57
  two,
• 30:57
  commercial
• 30:57
  block
• 30:58
  three,
• 30:58
  commercial
• 30:58
  block
• 30:58
  four.
• 30:59
  And,
• 31:00
  and
• 31:01
  the
• 31:02
  format
• 31:02
  of
• 31:02
  our
• 31:02
  show
• 31:03
  is
• 31:03
  ideal
• 31:04
  for
• 31:05
  having
• 31:06
  a
• 31:06
  day
• 31:06
  in
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  life
• 31:07
  in
• 31:07
  every
• 31:08
  block.
• 31:09
  So
• 31:09
  day
• 31:09
  one
• 31:10
  is
• 31:10
  you
• 31:11
  get
• 31:11
  there,
• 31:11
  you
• 31:11
  get
• 31:11
  settled,
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  meet
• 31:12
  your
• 31:12
  guides,
• 31:13
  you
• 31:13
  know,
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  tour
• 31:14
  the
• 31:14
  lodge,
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  get
• 31:15
  to
• 31:15
  see
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  place,
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  go
• 31:15
  fishing.
• 31:16
  Day
• 31:16
  two
• 31:17
  is
• 31:17
  fishing.
• 31:17
  Day
• 31:18
  three
• 31:18
  is
• 31:18
  fishing.
• 31:19
  You
• 31:19
  know,
• 31:19
  day
• 31:20
  four
• 31:20
  is.
• 31:21
  Is
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  equipment
• 31:22
  used
• 31:22
  in
• 31:23
  fishing.
• 31:23
  So
• 31:23
  it's
• 31:23
  formulaic
• 31:24
  in
• 31:24
  that
• 31:24
  way,
• 31:25
  but
• 31:25
  it
• 31:25
  tells
• 31:26
  the
• 31:26
  story
• 31:26
  of
• 31:27
  arrival
• 31:27
  to
• 31:27
  departure
• 31:28
  and
• 31:29
  then
• 31:29
  all
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  good,
• 31:29
  bad
• 31:30
  and
• 31:30
  ugly
• 31:30
  that
• 31:30
  happen
• 31:31
  in
• 31:31
  between.
• 31:33
  And
• 31:33
  that's
• 31:33
  one
• 31:33
  of
• 31:33
  the
• 31:33
  things
• 31:33
  that
• 31:34
  our
• 31:34
  viewers
• 31:34
  tell
• 31:35
  us
• 31:35
  they
• 31:35
  love
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  most,
• 31:35
  is
• 31:36
  that
• 31:36
  they
• 31:36
  love
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  see
• 31:38
  people
• 31:38
  that
• 31:38
  are.
• 31:39
  Are
• 31:40
  thought
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  as,
• 31:41
  quote,
• 31:41
  unquote,
• 31:41
  professional
• 31:42
  fly
• 31:42
  fishers
• 31:43
  mess
• 31:43
  up
• 31:44
  because
• 31:44
  they
• 31:44
  can
• 31:44
  relate
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  it.
• 31:45
  Right.
• 31:46
  And
• 31:46
  there's
• 31:46
  no,
• 31:46
  there's
• 31:46
  no
• 31:47
  ego
• 31:47
  here.
• 31:47
  There's
• 31:48
  no,
• 31:48
  there's
• 31:48
  no
• 31:49
  ad
• 31:49
  like
• 31:49
  if
• 31:49
  I
• 31:49
  fall
• 31:49
  out
• 31:50
  of
• 31:50
  a
• 31:50
  boat,
• 31:50
  it's
• 31:50
  going
• 31:50
  in
• 31:50
  the
• 31:51
  show.
• 31:51
  Right.
• 31:52
  Because
• 31:53
  it's
• 31:55
  also.
• 31:55
  Is
• 31:55
  a
• 31:55
  good.
• 31:56
  It's
• 31:56
  what
• 31:56
  really
• 31:56
  happens.
• 31:57
  But
• 31:57
  it's
• 31:57
  also
• 31:57
  a
• 31:58
  good
• 31:58
  teaching
• 31:58
  moment
• 31:58
  as
• 31:58
  to
• 31:59
  why
• 31:59
  people
• 31:59
  should
• 31:59
  always
• 31:59
  wear
• 32:00
  a
• 32:00
  life
• 32:00
  jacket
• 32:00
  when
• 32:00
  they're.
• 32:01
  When
• 32:01
  they're
• 32:01
  fishing
• 32:01
  kind
• 32:01
  of
• 32:01
  thing.
• 32:02
  So
• 32:02
  we
• 32:02
  take
• 32:02
  those
• 32:02
  little
• 32:02
  moments
• 32:03
  of
• 32:04
  good,
• 32:04
  bad
• 32:04
  and
• 32:04
  indifferent
• 32:05
  and
• 32:06
  use
• 32:06
  those
• 32:06
  as
• 32:06
  teaching
• 32:07
  moments
• 32:07
  for
• 32:07
  our
• 32:08
  audience.
• 32:08
  And
• 32:09
  from
• 32:09
  the
• 32:09
  feedback
• 32:09
  that
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  get,
• 32:10
  they
• 32:11
  absolutely
• 32:11
  love
• 32:11
  it.
• 32:12
  Yeah,
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  think
• 32:13
  too,
• 32:13
  as
• 32:13
  we
• 32:14
  kind
• 32:14
  of
• 32:14
  get
• 32:14
  more
• 32:14
  digital
• 32:15
  noise
• 32:15
  with
• 32:15
  all
• 32:15
  this
• 32:16
  AI
• 32:16
  stuff,
• 32:16
  I
• 32:17
  think
• 32:17
  that
• 32:17
  authenticity
• 32:18
  is
• 32:18
  more
• 32:19
  and
• 32:19
  more
• 32:19
  critical
• 32:19
  to
• 32:20
  kind
• 32:20
  of
• 32:20
  what
• 32:20
  I
• 32:20
  call
• 32:20
  sticky
• 32:21
  content.
• 32:22
  Yeah,
• 32:23
  yeah,
• 32:24
  100%.
• 32:25
  And
• 32:26
  by
• 32:26
  sticking
• 32:27
  to
• 32:28
  the,
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  authentic
• 32:29
  side
• 32:30
  of
• 32:30
  it,
• 32:30
  AI
• 32:31
  can
• 32:31
  never
• 32:31
  take
• 32:31
  that
• 32:31
  away.
• 32:32
  Right.
• 32:33
  They
• 32:33
  can't
• 32:33
  take,
• 32:34
  they
• 32:34
  can't
• 32:34
  take
• 32:35
  emotion
• 32:35
  out
• 32:35
  of
• 32:35
  the,
• 32:36
  out
• 32:36
  of
• 32:36
  the,
• 32:36
  out
• 32:36
  of
• 32:36
  the
• 32:37
  equation.
• 32:37
  They
• 32:37
  can't
• 32:38
  take
• 32:38
  excitement
• 32:38
  out
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  the
• 32:39
  equation.
• 32:40
  It's,
• 32:40
  it's
• 32:40
  all
• 32:40
  natural,
• 32:41
  it's
• 32:41
  organic
• 32:42
  and
• 32:42
  it
• 32:42
  happens
• 32:43
  as
• 32:43
  it
• 32:43
  happens
• 32:43
  in
• 32:43
  real
• 32:44
  life.
• 32:44
  You
• 32:44
  know,
• 32:45
  our
• 32:45
  hosts
• 32:45
  don't
• 32:45
  put
• 32:46
  on
• 32:46
  a
• 32:46
  face
• 32:47
  when
• 32:47
  they
• 32:47
  catch
• 32:48
  a
• 32:48
  fish
• 32:48
  and,
• 32:49
  and
• 32:49
  over
• 32:49
  hype
• 32:50
  anything
• 32:50
  or
• 32:50
  anything
• 32:50
  like
• 32:50
  that.
• 32:51
  But
• 32:51
  like
• 32:51
  this
• 32:51
  is
• 32:51
  who
• 32:51
  they
• 32:52
  are.
• 32:52
  This
• 32:52
  is,
• 32:53
  that's
• 32:53
  who
• 32:53
  I
• 32:53
  am.
• 32:53
  I,
• 32:53
  I
• 32:54
  mean,
• 32:54
  I
• 32:54
  get
• 32:54
  genuinely
• 32:55
  excited
• 32:55
  when
• 32:55
  I
• 32:55
  hook
• 32:55
  a,
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:57
  a
• 32:57
  15
• 32:58
  pound
• 32:58
  redfish
• 32:58
  versus
• 32:59
  a,
• 32:59
  you
• 32:59
  know,
• 33:00
  a
• 33:00
  bluegill
• 33:01
  on
• 33:01
  a
• 33:01
  spot,
• 33:01
  on
• 33:01
  a
• 33:02
  spider,
• 33:02
  on
• 33:02
  a
• 33:03
  spider
• 33:03
  fly.
• 33:03
  It's,
• 33:03
  it's
• 33:04
  just,
• 33:05
  it's
• 33:05
  just
• 33:05
  so
• 33:05
  fun
• 33:07
  that
• 33:07
  you
• 33:07
  can't,
• 33:08
  you
• 33:08
  can't
• 33:08
  fake
• 33:08
  it.
• 33:08
  As
• 33:08
  soon
• 33:09
  as
• 33:09
  you
• 33:09
  fake
• 33:09
  it,
• 33:09
  people
• 33:09
  see
• 33:10
  you
• 33:10
  right
• 33:10
  through
• 33:10
  them.
• 33:10
  The
• 33:11
  authenticity
• 33:11
  has
• 33:11
  got
• 33:12
  to
• 33:12
  be
• 33:12
  there.
• 33:12
  Yeah.
• 33:13
  And
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  think
• 33:14
  too,
• 33:14
  I
• 33:14
  suspect
• 33:14
  most
• 33:15
  of
• 33:15
  my
• 33:15
  listeners
• 33:15
  have
• 33:16
  absolutely
• 33:16
  no
• 33:17
  idea
• 33:17
  how
• 33:17
  much
• 33:18
  work
• 33:18
  is
• 33:18
  involved
• 33:18
  in
• 33:19
  producing
• 33:19
  a
• 33:19
  single
• 33:19
  episode.
• 33:20
  And
• 33:21
  so
• 33:21
  I
• 33:21
  was
• 33:21
  kind
• 33:21
  of
• 33:21
  wondering
• 33:21
  if
• 33:21
  you
• 33:22
  could
• 33:22
  kind
• 33:22
  of
• 33:22
  walk
• 33:22
  us
• 33:22
  through
• 33:23
  that
• 33:23
  process,
• 33:23
  kind
• 33:23
  of
• 33:24
  soup
• 33:24
  to
• 33:24
  nuts,
• 33:24
  because
• 33:24
  I
• 33:25
  know
• 33:25
  you've
• 33:25
  got
• 33:25
  like
• 33:25
  the
• 33:25
  long
• 33:25
  YouTube
• 33:26
  version,
• 33:26
  there's
• 33:27
  everything
• 33:27
  that
• 33:27
  goes
• 33:27
  into
• 33:27
  that,
• 33:27
  but
• 33:27
  then
• 33:28
  cutting
• 33:28
  it
• 33:28
  down
• 33:28
  and
• 33:29
  repurposing
• 33:29
  it
• 33:30
  for
• 33:30
  all
• 33:30
  sorts
• 33:30
  of
• 33:30
  different
• 33:31
  delivery
• 33:31
  channels
• 33:31
  too.
• 33:32
  Right?
• 33:33
  Yeah,
• 33:33
  exactly.
• 33:33
  So,
• 33:34
  so,
• 33:34
  so
• 33:35
  the
• 33:36
  work
• 33:36
  on
• 33:36
  an
• 33:36
  episode
• 33:37
  starts
• 33:37
  long
• 33:37
  before
• 33:37
  the
• 33:38
  first
• 33:38
  cast.
• 33:39
  So
• 33:39
  I'm
• 33:39
  currently
• 33:40
  off
• 33:41
  the
• 33:41
  road
• 33:43
  and
• 33:43
  I
• 33:44
  am
• 33:44
  home
• 33:44
  in
• 33:44
  the
• 33:44
  office
• 33:45
  for
• 33:45
  a
• 33:45
  number
• 33:45
  of
• 33:46
  months
• 33:47
  while
• 33:48
  we're
• 33:48
  in
• 33:48
  the
• 33:48
  office
• 33:49
  and
• 33:49
  not
• 33:49
  fishing.
• 33:50
  All
• 33:50
  the
• 33:51
  ancillary
• 33:52
  post
• 33:53
  production
• 33:53
  stuff
• 33:53
  is
• 33:54
  happening
• 33:54
  on
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  past
• 33:54
  season,
• 33:56
  but
• 33:56
  I'm
• 33:56
  working
• 33:56
  on
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  next
• 33:57
  season
• 33:58
  and
• 33:58
  then
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  get
• 33:59
  brought
• 33:59
  into
• 33:59
  the,
• 34:00
  to
• 34:00
  the,
• 34:01
  to
• 34:01
  the
• 34:02
  edits
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  the
• 34:02
  season
• 34:03
  before
• 34:03
  we
• 34:04
  do.
• 34:04
  26
• 34:04
  episodes
• 34:05
  a
• 34:05
  year.
• 34:07
  And
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  start,
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  know,
• 34:10
  the
• 34:11
  end
• 34:11
  of
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  winter,
• 34:11
  start
• 34:12
  of
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  spring
• 34:12
  is
• 34:12
  when
• 34:13
  I
• 34:14
  start
• 34:14
  to
• 34:14
  populate
• 34:15
  that
• 34:15
  next
• 34:15
  season's
• 34:16
  travel
• 34:16
  schedule.
• 34:18
  So
• 34:18
  once
• 34:18
  I
• 34:18
  have
• 34:19
  the
• 34:19
  travel
• 34:19
  schedule
• 34:20
  semi
• 34:20
  locked
• 34:21
  in,
• 34:22
  then
• 34:24
  I
• 34:24
  work
• 34:24
  on
• 34:25
  dates,
• 34:25
  flight
• 34:26
  bookings,
• 34:27
  all
• 34:27
  the,
• 34:27
  all
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  small
• 34:28
  details
• 34:29
  that
• 34:29
  we
• 34:29
  need
• 34:29
  to
• 34:29
  do
• 34:30
  to
• 34:30
  make
• 34:30
  sure
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  our
• 34:30
  camera
• 34:31
  people
• 34:31
  and
• 34:31
  our
• 34:31
  hosts
• 34:32
  are
• 34:32
  safe
• 34:32
  on
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  road.
• 34:33
  Then
• 34:34
  once
• 34:34
  we
• 34:34
  hit
• 34:34
  the
• 34:34
  road,
• 34:35
  it's
• 34:35
  a
• 34:35
  day
• 34:35
  of
• 34:35
  travel,
• 34:37
  four
• 34:37
  to
• 34:37
  five
• 34:37
  days
• 34:38
  on
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  water
• 34:38
  and
• 34:38
  a
• 34:38
  day
• 34:39
  of
• 34:39
  travel
• 34:39
  home
• 34:39
  or
• 34:40
  to
• 34:40
  the
• 34:40
  next
• 34:40
  location.
• 34:42
  Once,
• 34:42
  once
• 34:43
  a
• 34:43
  show
• 34:43
  is
• 34:43
  shot,
• 34:44
  it
• 34:45
  comes,
• 34:45
  it
• 34:45
  comes
• 34:46
  back.
• 34:46
  Once
• 34:47
  a
• 34:47
  show
• 34:47
  is
• 34:47
  shot,
• 34:48
  it
• 34:48
  is
• 34:49
  duplicated
• 34:50
  in
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  field.
• 34:50
  All
• 34:51
  the
• 34:51
  media
• 34:51
  is
• 34:51
  put
• 34:51
  on
• 34:52
  a
• 34:52
  separate
• 34:53
  drive
• 34:53
  so
• 34:53
  that
• 34:54
  we
• 34:54
  have
• 34:54
  two
• 34:54
  copies
• 34:54
  of
• 34:54
  everything.
• 34:56
  And
• 34:56
  then
• 34:57
  we
• 34:58
  get
• 34:58
  back
• 34:58
  to
• 34:58
  the
• 34:58
  office.
• 35:00
  The
• 35:00
  host
• 35:00
  has
• 35:01
  their,
• 35:01
  their
• 35:01
  copy
• 35:02
  of
• 35:02
  all
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  footage.
• 35:04
  The
• 35:04
  master
• 35:05
  footage
• 35:05
  goes
• 35:05
  back
• 35:05
  to
• 35:05
  the
• 35:06
  home
• 35:06
  office
• 35:06
  where
• 35:06
  another
• 35:07
  copy
• 35:07
  is
• 35:07
  made.
• 35:09
  And
• 35:09
  then
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  host
• 35:10
  will
• 35:10
  sit
• 35:10
  down
• 35:10
  and
• 35:11
  they
• 35:11
  will
• 35:11
  log
• 35:13
  every
• 35:14
  single
• 35:14
  shot
• 35:14
  describing
• 35:15
  what
• 35:15
  it
• 35:15
  is,
• 35:16
  color,
• 35:17
  code
• 35:17
  it
• 35:17
  based
• 35:18
  on
• 35:18
  a
• 35:18
  certain
• 35:18
  criteria
• 35:19
  that
• 35:19
  we've
• 35:19
  set
• 35:19
  forth
• 35:20
  as
• 35:20
  a
• 35:20
  formula.
• 35:22
  And
• 35:22
  that
• 35:22
  generally
• 35:23
  takes
• 35:23
  a
• 35:23
  week,
• 35:24
  a
• 35:24
  week
• 35:24
  to
• 35:24
  two
• 35:24
  weeks
• 35:25
  to
• 35:25
  go
• 35:25
  through
• 35:25
  all
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  footage
• 35:26
  and
• 35:26
  to
• 35:27
  code
• 35:27
  all
• 35:27
  that,
• 35:27
  to
• 35:28
  highlight
• 35:28
  what
• 35:28
  it
• 35:28
  is.
• 35:29
  You
• 35:29
  know,
• 35:29
  we
• 35:30
  highlight
• 35:30
  scenery,
• 35:30
  we
• 35:31
  highlight
• 35:31
  wildlife,
• 35:32
  we
• 35:32
  highlight
• 35:33
  fish
• 35:33
  catching
• 35:34
  scenes,
• 35:34
  we
• 35:35
  highlight
• 35:35
  bloopers,
• 35:36
  we
• 35:36
  highlight
• 35:36
  food,
• 35:36
  we
• 35:37
  highlight
• 35:37
  lodging,
• 35:38
  guide
• 35:39
  tips,
• 35:39
  all
• 35:39
  that
• 35:40
  sort
• 35:40
  of
• 35:40
  stuff.
• 35:40
  So
• 35:40
  it's
• 35:40
  real
• 35:41
  formulaic
• 35:41
  on
• 35:41
  how
• 35:42
  that's
• 35:42
  all
• 35:42
  organized.
• 35:44
  Once
• 35:44
  that's
• 35:45
  done,
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  host
• 35:46
  then
• 35:46
  starts
• 35:46
  building
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  show.
• 35:48
  And
• 35:48
  they
• 35:48
  build
• 35:48
  the
• 35:49
  show
• 35:49
  on
• 35:49
  something
• 35:50
  called
• 35:50
  a
• 35:50
  paper
• 35:50
  edit.
• 35:51
  So
• 35:51
  what
• 35:51
  they'll
• 35:51
  do
• 35:51
  is
• 35:51
  they'll
• 35:52
  go
• 35:52
  through
• 35:52
  their
• 35:52
  stack
• 35:52
  of
• 35:53
  papers
• 35:53
  from
• 35:54
  each
• 35:54
  card,
• 35:54
  from
• 35:54
  each
• 35:55
  day,
• 35:55
  from
• 35:56
  each
• 35:56
  camera,
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  they
• 35:57
  will
• 35:57
  start
• 35:58
  writing
• 35:58
  down
• 35:58
  the
• 35:59
  order
• 35:59
  in
• 35:59
  which
• 35:59
  they
• 36:00
  want
• 36:00
  the
• 36:00
  shows
• 36:00
  to
• 36:00
  run
• 36:00
  in
• 36:01
  or
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  show
• 36:02
  to
• 36:02
  run
• 36:02
  in.
• 36:02
  So
• 36:03
  openings
• 36:04
  on
• 36:04
  camera,
• 36:05
  this
• 36:05
  card,
• 36:05
  this
• 36:06
  clip,
• 36:06
  blah,
• 36:06
  blah,
• 36:07
  blah,
• 36:07
  all
• 36:07
  the
• 36:07
  way
• 36:07
  down
• 36:08
  to
• 36:08
  the
• 36:08
  closing
• 36:08
  scene.
• 36:09
  And
• 36:10
  that
• 36:10
  takes
• 36:10
  about
• 36:10
  two
• 36:10
  weeks
• 36:11
  to
• 36:11
  do
• 36:11
  as
• 36:11
  well.
• 36:12
  So
• 36:12
  once
• 36:12
  the
• 36:12
  paper
• 36:13
  edit's
• 36:13
  done
• 36:14
  and
• 36:14
  the
• 36:14
  voiceover
• 36:15
  is
• 36:15
  done,
• 36:16
  which
• 36:16
  is
• 36:17
  the
• 36:17
  voiceover
• 36:17
  is
• 36:17
  all
• 36:17
  the
• 36:18
  links
• 36:18
  to
• 36:18
  each,
• 36:19
  each
• 36:19
  segment
• 36:20
  that
• 36:20
  may
• 36:20
  have
• 36:20
  not
• 36:20
  been
• 36:21
  done
• 36:21
  in
• 36:21
  the
• 36:21
  field,
• 36:22
  then
• 36:23
  that
• 36:23
  whole
• 36:23
  package
• 36:24
  goes
• 36:24
  to
• 36:24
  an
• 36:24
  editor.
• 36:25
  That
• 36:26
  editor
• 36:26
  will
• 36:26
  start
• 36:26
  cutting
• 36:27
  the
• 36:27
  long
• 36:27
  version
• 36:28
  of
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  show.
• 36:28
  And
• 36:29
  that
• 36:29
  long
• 36:29
  version
• 36:29
  will
• 36:30
  be
• 36:30
  as
• 36:30
  however
• 36:31
  long
• 36:31
  as
• 36:31
  it
• 36:31
  needs
• 36:31
  to
• 36:32
  be.
• 36:33
  That
• 36:33
  long
• 36:33
  version
• 36:34
  will
• 36:34
  then
• 36:34
  go
• 36:34
  to
• 36:34
  our
• 36:35
  production
• 36:35
  manager
• 36:36
  for
• 36:36
  first
• 36:36
  set
• 36:36
  of
• 36:37
  eyes,
• 36:37
  and
• 36:37
  she
• 36:37
  will
• 36:38
  make
• 36:38
  notes
• 36:38
  on
• 36:38
  that,
• 36:40
  tighten
• 36:40
  it
• 36:41
  up,
• 36:41
  batten
• 36:41
  it
• 36:42
  out.
• 36:42
  Wrong
• 36:42
  music
• 36:43
  here.
• 36:43
  And
• 36:43
  you
• 36:43
  know,
• 36:44
  there's
• 36:44
  a
• 36:44
  technical
• 36:45
  glitch
• 36:45
  here.
• 36:45
  Whatever
• 36:46
  it
• 36:46
  needs
• 36:46
  to
• 36:46
  do
• 36:47
  goes
• 36:47
  back
• 36:47
  to
• 36:47
  the
• 36:47
  editor.
• 36:48
  Then
• 36:48
  it
• 36:48
  comes
• 36:49
  to
• 36:49
  me
• 36:49
  for
• 36:49
  final
• 36:49
  eyes.
• 36:50
  I
• 36:51
  will
• 36:51
  take
• 36:51
  one
• 36:51
  last
• 36:51
  look
• 36:52
  at
• 36:52
  it,
• 36:53
  approve
• 36:53
  it,
• 36:53
  or
• 36:54
  send
• 36:54
  notes
• 36:54
  back.
• 36:55
  And
• 36:55
  then
• 36:55
  it,
• 36:56
  once
• 36:56
  it's
• 36:56
  approved,
• 36:57
  it
• 36:57
  goes
• 36:57
  to
• 36:57
  the
• 36:58
  post
• 36:58
  audio
• 36:59
  editor
• 37:01
  after
• 37:01
  color
• 37:01
  correction,
• 37:02
  by
• 37:02
  the
• 37:02
  by
• 37:02
  the
• 37:03
  by,
• 37:03
  the
• 37:03
  editor
• 37:04
  goes
• 37:04
  to
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  post
• 37:04
  audio
• 37:05
  audio
• 37:06
  technician.
• 37:07
  They
• 37:07
  do
• 37:08
  all
• 37:08
  the
• 37:08
  audio
• 37:08
  mixing
• 37:09
  and
• 37:09
  everything
• 37:10
  on
• 37:10
  it.
• 37:10
  It
• 37:11
  goes
• 37:11
  back
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  Caitlin
• 37:12
  for
• 37:12
  finalizing
• 37:13
  approval.
• 37:14
  Once
• 37:14
  it's
• 37:15
  approved,
• 37:15
  then
• 37:15
  the
• 37:16
  shorter
• 37:16
  versions
• 37:16
  get
• 37:17
  cut
• 37:18
  of,
• 37:18
  of
• 37:18
  the
• 37:19
  episodes.
• 37:19
  So
• 37:20
  it's
• 37:20
  crazy,
• 37:21
  man.
• 37:21
  Like,
• 37:21
  think
• 37:22
  about
• 37:22
  cutting
• 37:22
  an
• 37:22
  hour
• 37:23
  and
• 37:23
  a
• 37:23
  half
• 37:23
  show
• 37:23
  down
• 37:23
  to
• 37:24
  23
• 37:24
  minutes
• 37:25
  like
• 37:25
  it's
• 37:25
  a
• 37:26
  hatchet
• 37:26
  job.
• 37:27
  The
• 37:27
  content's
• 37:28
  still
• 37:28
  great
• 37:28
  and
• 37:29
  broadcast
• 37:29
  quality,
• 37:30
  but
• 37:30
  it
• 37:30
  doesn't
• 37:30
  Tell
• 37:30
  the
• 37:31
  whole
• 37:31
  story
• 37:31
  in
• 37:31
  the
• 37:31
  way
• 37:31
  that
• 37:32
  we
• 37:32
  want
• 37:32
  it
• 37:32
  to
• 37:32
  be
• 37:32
  told.
• 37:34
  Then
• 37:34
  once
• 37:34
  those
• 37:34
  versions
• 37:35
  are
• 37:35
  done,
• 37:35
  we
• 37:36
  have
• 37:36
  finalized
• 37:36
  on
• 37:37
  that.
• 37:37
  And
• 37:37
  then
• 37:38
  the
• 37:38
  final
• 37:39
  version
• 37:39
  has
• 37:39
  to
• 37:39
  be
• 37:39
  delivered
• 37:40
  to
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  network
• 37:40
  at
• 37:40
  least
• 37:41
  two
• 37:41
  weeks
• 37:41
  before
• 37:41
  airing.
• 37:43
  So
• 37:43
  we
• 37:43
  have
• 37:43
  a
• 37:44
  rolling
• 37:44
  schedule
• 37:44
  of
• 37:45
  26
• 37:45
  episodes
• 37:46
  where
• 37:47
  shot
• 37:47
  listers,
• 37:47
  script
• 37:48
  writers,
• 37:50
  editors,
• 37:50
  and
• 37:51
  post
• 37:51
  audio
• 37:52
  all
• 37:52
  have
• 37:52
  to
• 37:52
  meet
• 37:52
  certain
• 37:53
  deadlines.
• 37:53
  If
• 37:53
  they
• 37:53
  don't,
• 37:54
  if
• 37:54
  that
• 37:54
  train
• 37:54
  falls
• 37:55
  off
• 37:55
  the
• 37:55
  tracks
• 37:55
  anywhere,
• 37:56
  we're
• 37:56
  screwed.
• 37:57
  We're
• 37:57
  absolutely
• 37:58
  screwed.
• 37:58
  So
• 37:58
  it's
• 37:59
  a
• 37:59
  really
• 37:59
  fine
• 38:00
  tightrope
• 38:00
  walk
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  being
• 38:02
  efficient
• 38:04
  and
• 38:05
  being
• 38:06
  able
• 38:06
  to
• 38:06
  put
• 38:06
  your
• 38:06
  head
• 38:07
  down
• 38:07
  and
• 38:07
  get
• 38:07
  it
• 38:07
  done
• 38:08
  based
• 38:08
  on
• 38:08
  the
• 38:09
  timeline
• 38:09
  so
• 38:09
  that
• 38:09
  we
• 38:09
  can
• 38:10
  make
• 38:10
  broadcast
• 38:11
  that
• 38:11
  broadcast
• 38:12
  window.
• 38:13
  So
• 38:13
  that's
• 38:13
  basically
• 38:13
  what
• 38:14
  happens.
• 38:14
  And
• 38:14
  then
• 38:14
  we
• 38:14
  do
• 38:14
  that
• 38:15
  times
• 38:15
  26,
• 38:16
  right?
• 38:16
  It's
• 38:17
  20,
• 38:17
  26
• 38:18
  times
• 38:18
  we
• 38:18
  do
• 38:19
  that
• 38:19
  process.
• 38:20
  I've
• 38:20
  got
• 38:20
  a
• 38:20
  number
• 38:21
  of
• 38:21
  great
• 38:21
  people
• 38:21
  on
• 38:22
  our
• 38:22
  team
• 38:22
  that
• 38:22
  understand
• 38:23
  that,
• 38:23
  you
• 38:23
  know,
• 38:25
  summertime's
• 38:26
  the
• 38:26
  quiet
• 38:26
  time
• 38:27
  when,
• 38:27
  you
• 38:27
  know,
• 38:28
  you
• 38:28
  can
• 38:28
  take
• 38:28
  vacation
• 38:28
  in
• 38:28
  August.
• 38:29
  Cause
• 38:29
  that's
• 38:29
  generally
• 38:30
  when
• 38:30
  we're
• 38:30
  super
• 38:30
  quiet.
• 38:31
  But,
• 38:31
  you
• 38:32
  know,
• 38:32
  we're
• 38:32
  fishing
• 38:32
  from
• 38:33
  April
• 38:33
  through
• 38:34
  to
• 38:34
  March,
• 38:35
  usually
• 38:36
  depending
• 38:36
  on
• 38:36
  locations.
• 38:37
  And
• 38:38
  for
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  editors,
• 38:38
  they
• 38:38
  know
• 38:39
  that,
• 38:39
  you
• 38:39
  know,
• 38:40
  come
• 38:41
  September
• 38:42
  through
• 38:42
  June,
• 38:43
  they
• 38:43
  have
• 38:43
  to
• 38:43
  have
• 38:43
  their
• 38:43
  head
• 38:44
  down
• 38:44
  and
• 38:44
  laser
• 38:45
  focused
• 38:45
  on
• 38:46
  delivering
• 38:46
  quality
• 38:47
  product.
• 38:48
  Got
• 38:48
  it.
• 38:48
  And
• 38:49
  so
• 38:49
  for
• 38:49
  a
• 38:49
  host,
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  know,
• 38:50
  how
• 38:50
  many
• 38:50
  camera
• 38:51
  people
• 38:51
  and
• 38:51
  sound
• 38:51
  people
• 38:52
  and
• 38:52
  folks
• 38:52
  kind
• 38:52
  of
• 38:52
  travel
• 38:53
  on
• 38:53
  each
• 38:53
  shoot?
• 38:54
  Yeah,
• 38:54
  good
• 38:54
  question.
• 38:55
  And,
• 38:55
  and
• 38:55
  one
• 38:55
  of
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  things
• 38:56
  that
• 38:56
  I'm
• 38:56
  really
• 38:57
  proud
• 38:57
  of
• 38:57
  is
• 38:57
  that
• 38:57
  we
• 38:57
  are
• 38:58
  a
• 38:58
  skeleton
• 38:58
  crew.
• 38:59
  There's
• 39:00
  a
• 39:00
  host
• 39:00
  and
• 39:00
  a
• 39:00
  camera
• 39:01
  person,
• 39:01
  and
• 39:01
  the
• 39:01
  host
• 39:02
  takes
• 39:02
  care
• 39:02
  of
• 39:03
  a
• 39:04
  lot
• 39:04
  of
• 39:04
  the
• 39:04
  camera
• 39:04
  work
• 39:05
  that,
• 39:05
  that
• 39:05
  the
• 39:05
  main
• 39:06
  camera
• 39:06
  person
• 39:07
  can't
• 39:08
  do
• 39:08
  in,
• 39:09
  in,
• 39:09
  in
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  moment.
• 39:10
  So,
• 39:11
  for
• 39:11
  example,
• 39:11
  if
• 39:11
  I'm
• 39:12
  on
• 39:12
  a
• 39:12
  shoot
• 39:13
  and
• 39:14
  camera
• 39:14
  guy's
• 39:15
  busy
• 39:15
  and
• 39:15
  I
• 39:16
  see
• 39:16
  a
• 39:16
  good
• 39:16
  drone
• 39:16
  opportunity,
• 39:17
  I'll
• 39:17
  fly
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  drone,
• 39:18
  I'll
• 39:18
  shoot
• 39:19
  underwater,
• 39:19
  I'll,
• 39:20
  I'll,
• 39:20
  you
• 39:21
  know,
• 39:21
  do
• 39:21
  anything.
• 39:22
  I'll
• 39:22
  make
• 39:22
  coffee
• 39:22
  for
• 39:22
  them,
• 39:23
  whatever.
• 39:23
  Whatever
• 39:23
  needs
• 39:24
  to
• 39:24
  be
• 39:24
  done.
• 39:24
  We're
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  skeleton
• 39:25
  crew
• 39:25
  of
• 39:26
  two
• 39:26
  people.
• 39:26
  Sometimes
• 39:27
  we
• 39:27
  have
• 39:27
  two
• 39:27
  hosts,
• 39:28
  depending
• 39:28
  on
• 39:28
  what
• 39:29
  the
• 39:29
  fisheries
• 39:29
  like.
• 39:29
  If
• 39:29
  we're
• 39:30
  fishing
• 39:30
  muskies,
• 39:31
  you
• 39:31
  know,
• 39:31
  we
• 39:31
  really
• 39:32
  want
• 39:32
  to
• 39:32
  make
• 39:32
  sure
• 39:32
  we
• 39:32
  have
• 39:32
  two
• 39:33
  rods
• 39:33
  in
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  water
• 39:33
  or
• 39:33
  two,
• 39:34
  two
• 39:34
  flies
• 39:35
  in
• 39:35
  the
• 39:35
  water
• 39:35
  at
• 39:35
  all
• 39:35
  times
• 39:35
  just
• 39:36
  to
• 39:36
  up
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  chances
• 39:36
  of,
• 39:37
  of
• 39:38
  hooking
• 39:38
  a
• 39:38
  fish.
• 39:39
  But
• 39:39
  generally
• 39:40
  it's
• 39:40
  just
• 39:40
  the
• 39:40
  two
• 39:40
  of
• 39:40
  us
• 39:42
  two.
• 39:42
  Hosting
• 39:43
  a
• 39:43
  camera
• 39:43
  person
• 39:43
  on
• 39:43
  the
• 39:43
  road,
• 39:44
  that
• 39:44
  really
• 39:46
  makes
• 39:46
  it
• 39:46
  interesting
• 39:47
  because
• 39:48
  you
• 39:48
  have
• 39:48
  to
• 39:49
  really
• 39:50
  get
• 39:50
  along
• 39:50
  because
• 39:50
  you're
• 39:51
  spending
• 39:51
  so
• 39:51
  much
• 39:51
  time
• 39:51
  together,
• 39:53
  often
• 39:53
  sharing
• 39:54
  a
• 39:54
  room,
• 39:55
  often,
• 39:55
  you
• 39:56
  know,
• 39:56
  in
• 39:56
  less
• 39:56
  than
• 39:57
  ideal
• 39:57
  conditions.
• 39:57
  If
• 39:57
  you
• 39:58
  aren't
• 39:58
  a
• 39:58
  do
• 39:58
  it
• 39:58
  yourself
• 39:58
  or
• 39:59
  the
• 39:59
  weather
• 39:59
  sucks
• 39:59
  or
• 40:00
  you
• 40:01
  know,
• 40:02
  any,
• 40:02
  any.
• 40:02
  As
• 40:03
  you
• 40:03
  know,
• 40:03
  anything
• 40:03
  can
• 40:03
  happen
• 40:03
  when
• 40:04
  you're
• 40:04
  out
• 40:04
  in
• 40:04
  the
• 40:04
  field.
• 40:04
  So
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  need
• 40:05
  people
• 40:06
  that
• 40:06
  can
• 40:06
  cohabitate,
• 40:07
  that
• 40:07
  get
• 40:07
  along.
• 40:08
  You
• 40:08
  know,
• 40:08
  we
• 40:08
  work
• 40:09
  hard,
• 40:09
  we
• 40:09
  play
• 40:10
  hard
• 40:10
  and
• 40:10
  we
• 40:10
  fish
• 40:11
  hard.
• 40:11
  So
• 40:11
  it's,
• 40:12
  it's
• 40:12
  a
• 40:12
  great,
• 40:12
  it's
• 40:12
  a
• 40:12
  great
• 40:13
  group
• 40:13
  of
• 40:13
  people
• 40:13
  that,
• 40:15
  that
• 40:15
  you
• 40:15
  know,
• 40:15
  has
• 40:16
  taken
• 40:16
  a
• 40:16
  long
• 40:16
  time
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  find,
• 40:17
  but
• 40:18
  it
• 40:18
  works
• 40:18
  out
• 40:18
  perfectly.
• 40:19
  Very
• 40:20
  neat.
• 40:20
  And
• 40:20
  you
• 40:20
  know,
• 40:20
  I
• 40:20
  know
• 40:21
  folks
• 40:21
  can
• 40:21
  go
• 40:21
  to
• 40:21
  the
• 40:21
  website
• 40:21
  and
• 40:22
  see
• 40:22
  the
• 40:22
  host,
• 40:22
  but
• 40:22
  you
• 40:22
  kind
• 40:23
  of
• 40:23
  want
• 40:23
  to
• 40:23
  give
• 40:23
  a
• 40:23
  quick
• 40:23
  shout
• 40:23
  out
• 40:24
  to
• 40:24
  the
• 40:24
  folks
• 40:24
  that
• 40:24
  are
• 40:24
  kind
• 40:25
  of
• 40:25
  in
• 40:25
  front
• 40:25
  of
• 40:25
  the
• 40:25
  camera
• 40:26
  and
• 40:26
  behind
• 40:26
  the
• 40:26
  camera
• 40:27
  so
• 40:27
  people
• 40:27
  kind
• 40:27
  of
• 40:27
  understand
• 40:28
  just
• 40:28
  how,
• 40:29
  even
• 40:29
  though
• 40:29
  you're
• 40:29
  skinny
• 40:29
  on
• 40:30
  each
• 40:30
  shoot,
• 40:30
  how
• 40:30
  big
• 40:30
  your
• 40:31
  team
• 40:31
  is.
• 40:32
  Yeah,
• 40:32
  for
• 40:32
  sure.
• 40:33
  So
• 40:33
  I,
• 40:33
  I
• 40:34
  do
• 40:34
  host,
• 40:34
  even
• 40:35
  though
• 40:35
  I'm,
• 40:35
  I'm
• 40:35
  in,
• 40:36
  in
• 40:36
  the
• 40:36
  office
• 40:36
  a
• 40:37
  lot,
• 40:37
  I
• 40:37
  do,
• 40:37
  I
• 40:37
  am
• 40:37
  fortunate
• 40:38
  enough
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  get
• 40:38
  out
• 40:38
  and
• 40:39
  host
• 40:39
  some
• 40:39
  shows.
• 40:41
  I
• 40:41
  brought
• 40:42
  on
• 40:42
  a
• 40:42
  steelhead
• 40:43
  guide
• 40:43
  here
• 40:43
  from
• 40:43
  Southern
• 40:43
  Ontario
• 40:44
  named
• 40:44
  Rob
• 40:44
  Heal.
• 40:46
  Rob
• 40:46
  is,
• 40:47
  is
• 40:47
  from
• 40:48
  Nova
• 40:49
  Scotia
• 40:49
  so
• 40:50
  he's
• 40:50
  got
• 40:50
  that
• 40:50
  maritime
• 40:51
  flare
• 40:51
  that,
• 40:52
  that
• 40:52
  is
• 40:52
  just
• 40:52
  so
• 40:52
  infectious.
• 40:54
  And
• 40:54
  he's
• 40:54
  a,
• 40:55
  a
• 40:55
  triple
• 40:56
  F
• 40:56
  fly
• 40:56
  casting
• 40:56
  instructor,
• 40:57
  a
• 40:57
  guide.
• 40:58
  He
• 40:58
  knows
• 40:58
  his
• 40:58
  way
• 40:58
  around
• 40:59
  a
• 40:59
  fly
• 40:59
  rod
• 41:00
  multi
• 41:00
  species.
• 41:01
  I
• 41:01
  don't
• 41:01
  have
• 41:01
  to
• 41:01
  worry
• 41:01
  about
• 41:01
  him.
• 41:02
  We've
• 41:02
  worked
• 41:02
  with
• 41:03
  him
• 41:03
  to
• 41:03
  be
• 41:03
  able
• 41:04
  to
• 41:04
  develop
• 41:04
  his
• 41:04
  storytelling
• 41:05
  abilities
• 41:06
  and
• 41:06
  he's
• 41:07
  worked
• 41:07
  out
• 41:07
  great.
• 41:09
  Jeff
• 41:09
  Parks
• 41:10
  is,
• 41:10
  is
• 41:11
  a
• 41:11
  little
• 41:11
  bit
• 41:11
  of
• 41:11
  an
• 41:12
  older,
• 41:12
  an
• 41:12
  older
• 41:13
  guy.
• 41:13
  He's
• 41:13
  starting
• 41:13
  to
• 41:13
  wind
• 41:13
  down,
• 41:14
  his
• 41:14
  guidance,
• 41:15
  his
• 41:15
  guiding
• 41:15
  career
• 41:16
  and
• 41:17
  I
• 41:17
  thought,
• 41:17
  you
• 41:18
  know,
• 41:18
  what
• 41:18
  a
• 41:18
  great
• 41:18
  opportunity
• 41:19
  for
• 41:19
  him
• 41:19
  to
• 41:19
  be
• 41:20
  able
• 41:20
  to
• 41:20
  stay
• 41:20
  in
• 41:20
  the
• 41:20
  industry
• 41:22
  he's
• 41:22
  in,
• 41:22
  he's
• 41:23
  in
• 41:23
  better
• 41:23
  shape
• 41:23
  than
• 41:24
  most
• 41:24
  30
• 41:25
  year
• 41:25
  olds
• 41:26
  are
• 41:26
  and
• 41:27
  he
• 41:27
  goes,
• 41:27
  goes,
• 41:28
  goes,
• 41:28
  goes.
• 41:29
  And
• 41:30
  he,
• 41:30
  he
• 41:30
  too
• 41:31
  is
• 41:31
  a
• 41:31
  multi
• 41:31
  species
• 41:32
  guide
• 41:32
  here
• 41:32
  in
• 41:32
  Ontario.
• 41:33
  He's
• 41:34
  got
• 41:34
  a
• 41:34
  daughter
• 41:34
  named
• 41:35
  Alex
• 41:35
  Parks
• 41:35
  who
• 41:35
  is
• 41:36
  an
• 41:36
  absolute
• 41:36
  firecracker.
• 41:38
  She,
• 41:40
  she's
• 41:40
  a
• 41:40
  motivational
• 41:41
  speaker,
• 41:41
  she's
• 41:41
  also
• 41:42
  a
• 41:42
  fishing
• 41:42
  guide
• 41:43
  and
• 41:43
  just
• 41:43
  is
• 41:44
  a,
• 41:44
  is
• 41:44
  an
• 41:44
  entrepreneur.
• 41:45
  So
• 41:45
  if
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  hear
• 41:46
  dropping,
• 41:46
  you
• 41:46
  know,
• 41:46
  rock
• 41:47
  and
• 41:47
  roll
• 41:47
  lines
• 41:47
  from
• 41:47
  the
• 41:48
  70s
• 41:48
  during
• 41:48
  the
• 41:48
  show,
• 41:48
  that
• 41:49
  kind
• 41:49
  of
• 41:49
  tells
• 41:49
  you
• 41:49
  what,
• 41:50
  you
• 41:50
  know,
• 41:50
  what
• 41:50
  kind
• 41:50
  of
• 41:51
  person
• 41:51
  she
• 41:51
  is.
• 41:51
  She's
• 41:51
  a
• 41:52
  hoot,
• 41:52
  she's
• 41:52
  a
• 41:53
  professional
• 41:53
  photographer
• 41:54
  as
• 41:54
  well.
• 41:54
  So
• 41:54
  she,
• 41:55
  you
• 41:55
  know,
• 41:55
  she
• 41:55
  gets,
• 41:56
  she
• 41:56
  gets
• 41:56
  what
• 41:56
  the
• 41:57
  camera
• 41:57
  people
• 41:57
  are
• 41:57
  doing
• 41:57
  and
• 41:58
  is
• 41:58
  really
• 41:58
  able
• 41:58
  to
• 41:58
  help.
• 42:00
  And
• 42:00
  then
• 42:00
  we've
• 42:00
  got,
• 42:01
  we've
• 42:01
  got
• 42:01
  a
• 42:01
  couple,
• 42:02
  couple
• 42:02
  of
• 42:02
  guys
• 42:03
  that
• 42:03
  are,
• 42:03
  that
• 42:03
  are
• 42:04
  specialty
• 42:04
  and
• 42:04
  the
• 42:05
  one
• 42:05
  that's,
• 42:05
  that's
• 42:05
  been
• 42:06
  sort
• 42:06
  of
• 42:06
  a
• 42:07
  staple
• 42:07
  on
• 42:07
  the
• 42:07
  show
• 42:08
  for
• 42:09
  many
• 42:09
  years
• 42:09
  is,
• 42:10
  is
• 42:10
  a
• 42:10
  Stillwater
• 42:10
  expert
• 42:11
  out
• 42:11
  of
• 42:11
  Alberta
• 42:12
  named
• 42:12
  Phil
• 42:12
  Rowley.
• 42:13
  And
• 42:14
  Phil
• 42:14
  though
• 42:14
  he
• 42:15
  can,
• 42:15
  he's
• 42:16
  a
• 42:16
  great
• 42:16
  Great
• 42:17
  flyingler
• 42:18
  in,
• 42:18
  in
• 42:18
  moving
• 42:18
  water
• 42:18
  as
• 42:19
  well.
• 42:19
  But
• 42:19
  he's,
• 42:20
  he's
• 42:20
  made
• 42:20
  his
• 42:20
  life
• 42:21
  his
• 42:22
  life
• 42:23
  making
• 42:24
  a
• 42:24
  living
• 42:25
  fishing
• 42:25
  still
• 42:25
  water.
• 42:26
  And
• 42:26
  anybody
• 42:26
  such
• 42:27
  like
• 42:27
  fly
• 42:28
  fishing
• 42:28
  is
• 42:28
  a
• 42:28
  niche
• 42:28
  to
• 42:28
  begin
• 42:29
  with,
• 42:29
  but
• 42:29
  to
• 42:29
  fish
• 42:29
  a
• 42:30
  niche
• 42:30
  of
• 42:30
  a
• 42:30
  niche
• 42:30
  and
• 42:31
  making
• 42:31
  a
• 42:32
  living
• 42:32
  at
• 42:32
  it
• 42:32
  is
• 42:32
  just
• 42:33
  my
• 42:33
  hat's
• 42:34
  off
• 42:34
  to
• 42:34
  him.
• 42:34
  And
• 42:34
  you
• 42:34
  know,
• 42:34
  he's,
• 42:35
  he's
• 42:35
  been
• 42:35
  a
• 42:35
  fantastic
• 42:36
  partner
• 42:36
  in,
• 42:37
  in
• 42:38
  hosting
• 42:38
  for
• 42:38
  us
• 42:38
  for,
• 42:39
  for
• 42:39
  years.
• 42:41
  But
• 42:41
  I
• 42:41
  think
• 42:41
  the
• 42:41
  bottom
• 42:42
  line
• 42:42
  is,
• 42:42
  is,
• 42:43
  oh,
• 42:43
  I
• 42:43
  do
• 42:44
  have
• 42:44
  to
• 42:44
  say
• 42:44
  Bill
• 42:44
  Spicer
• 42:45
  is
• 42:45
  still
• 42:45
  part
• 42:45
  of
• 42:45
  the
• 42:45
  team
• 42:47
  though.
• 42:47
  Bill,
• 42:47
  Though
• 42:48
  Bill
• 42:48
  isn't
• 42:48
  on
• 42:49
  camera
• 42:49
  anymore
• 42:50
  due
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  some
• 42:51
  medical
• 42:51
  issues,
• 42:52
  he
• 42:52
  is
• 42:53
  still
• 42:53
  very
• 42:53
  much
• 42:53
  a
• 42:54
  part
• 42:54
  of
• 42:54
  the
• 42:54
  new
• 42:54
  fly
• 42:54
  fisher
• 42:55
  family.
• 42:56
  I
• 42:56
  keep
• 42:56
  him
• 42:56
  busy
• 42:56
  behind
• 42:57
  the
• 42:57
  scenes
• 42:57
  here
• 42:58
  and
• 42:58
  there
• 42:58
  with
• 42:59
  shot
• 42:59
  listing
• 43:00
  and
• 43:00
  scripting
• 43:00
  and
• 43:01
  helping
• 43:01
  helping
• 43:02
  out
• 43:02
  what
• 43:02
  we,
• 43:02
  what
• 43:02
  we
• 43:03
  may
• 43:03
  need.
• 43:03
  He's
• 43:03
  asking
• 43:03
  me
• 43:04
  if
• 43:04
  he
• 43:04
  can
• 43:04
  start
• 43:04
  a
• 43:04
  podcast
• 43:05
  series
• 43:05
  which
• 43:05
  we're
• 43:05
  considering
• 43:06
  as
• 43:06
  well
• 43:07
  for
• 43:07
  the
• 43:07
  new
• 43:07
  fly
• 43:07
  fisher.
• 43:08
  So
• 43:08
  Bill's
• 43:09
  still
• 43:09
  very
• 43:09
  much
• 43:09
  a
• 43:09
  part
• 43:09
  of
• 43:10
  what
• 43:10
  we
• 43:10
  do.
• 43:10
  And,
• 43:10
  and
• 43:11
  you
• 43:11
  know,
• 43:12
  you
• 43:12
  talk
• 43:12
  about
• 43:12
  mentors,
• 43:13
  you
• 43:13
  know,
• 43:13
  he
• 43:14
  was
• 43:14
  definitely
• 43:14
  one
• 43:14
  because
• 43:15
  I'd
• 43:15
  be
• 43:15
  in
• 43:15
  the
• 43:15
  field
• 43:15
  and
• 43:15
  I'll
• 43:15
  be
• 43:16
  having,
• 43:16
  having
• 43:16
  hell
• 43:16
  with,
• 43:17
  with
• 43:17
  a
• 43:17
  fishery.
• 43:17
  And
• 43:18
  he
• 43:18
  was
• 43:18
  always
• 43:19
  willing
• 43:19
  to,
• 43:19
  you
• 43:19
  know,
• 43:19
  to
• 43:20
  take
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  phone
• 43:20
  call
• 43:20
  and
• 43:20
  say,
• 43:21
  okay,
• 43:21
  what
• 43:21
  are
• 43:21
  you
• 43:21
  doing?
• 43:22
  What
• 43:22
  happened?
• 43:22
  What
• 43:22
  have
• 43:23
  you
• 43:23
  tried?
• 43:23
  Try
• 43:24
  this,
• 43:24
  try
• 43:24
  this,
• 43:24
  try
• 43:24
  this,
• 43:25
  try
• 43:25
  this.
• 43:25
  And
• 43:26
  99%
• 43:27
  of
• 43:27
  the
• 43:27
  time
• 43:28
  his
• 43:28
  advice
• 43:29
  would,
• 43:29
  would
• 43:29
  pull
• 43:30
  the
• 43:30
  show
• 43:30
  out
• 43:30
  for
• 43:31
  us.
• 43:31
  So,
• 43:32
  and
• 43:32
  then
• 43:33
  we've
• 43:33
  got
• 43:33
  Tom
• 43:33
  Rosenbauer
• 43:34
  that,
• 43:34
  that,
• 43:35
  that
• 43:35
  joins
• 43:36
  me
• 43:36
  on
• 43:37
  a
• 43:37
  couple
• 43:37
  of
• 43:37
  choice
• 43:39
  trips
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  year
• 43:41
  where
• 43:41
  we,
• 43:41
  where
• 43:42
  we
• 43:42
  produce
• 43:42
  shows
• 43:43
  together
• 43:45
  and
• 43:45
  we
• 43:45
  also
• 43:46
  bang
• 43:46
  out
• 43:46
  the,
• 43:46
  the
• 43:47
  Tom's
• 43:47
  Tips
• 43:47
  for
• 43:48
  Orvis
• 43:48
  at
• 43:48
  the
• 43:48
  same
• 43:48
  time.
• 43:49
  So
• 43:49
  all
• 43:49
  the
• 43:49
  tips
• 43:49
  that
• 43:49
  you
• 43:50
  see
• 43:51
  on
• 43:51
  the
• 43:51
  new
• 43:51
  Fly
• 43:51
  Fisher
• 43:52
  Channel,
• 43:52
  the
• 43:52
  Orvis
• 43:52
  Guide
• 43:52
  to
• 43:52
  Fly
• 43:53
  Fishing
• 43:53
  Channel
• 43:53
  and
• 43:53
  the
• 43:53
  Orvis
• 43:54
  site
• 43:54
  are
• 43:54
  all
• 43:55
  done
• 43:55
  by
• 43:55
  the
• 43:55
  new
• 43:55
  Fly
• 43:55
  Fisher
• 43:56
  team
• 43:56
  in
• 43:56
  conjunction
• 43:56
  with
• 43:57
  Orvis.
• 43:57
  And
• 43:57
  it's
• 43:57
  just
• 43:58
  a
• 43:58
  great
• 43:58
  partnership.
• 43:58
  But
• 43:59
  Tom
• 43:59
  has
• 43:59
  been
• 44:00
  a
• 44:00
  fantastic
• 44:01
  mentor
• 44:02
  in,
• 44:02
  in
• 44:03
  my
• 44:03
  fly
• 44:03
  fishing
• 44:03
  career
• 44:05
  and
• 44:05
  he's,
• 44:07
  I
• 44:07
  think,
• 44:07
  I
• 44:07
  think
• 44:08
  the
• 44:08
  biggest
• 44:08
  thing
• 44:08
  that
• 44:08
  he's
• 44:09
  taught
• 44:09
  me
• 44:09
  is
• 44:09
  you
• 44:09
  don't
• 44:09
  have
• 44:09
  to
• 44:09
  make
• 44:10
  fly
• 44:10
  fishing
• 44:10
  complicated.
• 44:11
  Just
• 44:11
  go
• 44:12
  out
• 44:12
  there,
• 44:12
  do
• 44:13
  what
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  do
• 44:13
  what
• 44:13
  you
• 44:14
  like
• 44:14
  first,
• 44:14
  and
• 44:15
  then
• 44:15
  if
• 44:15
  you're,
• 44:16
  if
• 44:16
  you
• 44:16
  don't
• 44:16
  succeed,
• 44:17
  then
• 44:17
  you
• 44:17
  can
• 44:17
  worry
• 44:17
  about
• 44:17
  complications
• 44:18
  of
• 44:19
  the
• 44:19
  sport.
• 44:19
  It's
• 44:19
  really
• 44:19
  an
• 44:20
  easy
• 44:20
  sport
• 44:20
  to
• 44:20
  catch
• 44:21
  fish
• 44:21
  with.
• 44:22
  You
• 44:22
  can
• 44:22
  make
• 44:22
  it
• 44:22
  as
• 44:23
  complicated
• 44:23
  or
• 44:23
  as
• 44:23
  not
• 44:24
  as
• 44:24
  you
• 44:24
  want.
• 44:24
  So
• 44:26
  those
• 44:26
  are
• 44:28
  our
• 44:28
  hosts
• 44:29
  for
• 44:29
  this
• 44:29
  coming
• 44:30
  season.
• 44:30
  I'm
• 44:31
  excited
• 44:31
  for
• 44:31
  it
• 44:32
  and
• 44:32
  yeah,
• 44:33
  I
• 44:33
  think
• 44:33
  I've
• 44:33
  got
• 44:33
  a
• 44:33
  pretty
• 44:34
  strong
• 44:34
  team
• 44:34
  in
• 44:35
  place.
• 44:36
  Very,
• 44:36
  very
• 44:36
  neat
• 44:36
  and
• 44:37
  you
• 44:37
  mentioned
• 44:37
  earlier
• 44:37
  in
• 44:38
  the
• 44:38
  interview
• 44:38
  that
• 44:38
  you
• 44:38
  became
• 44:39
  100%
• 44:39
  owner
• 44:39
  in
• 44:40
  2024
• 44:41
  and
• 44:41
  was
• 44:41
  just
• 44:41
  kind
• 44:42
  of
• 44:42
  curious.
• 44:43
  You
• 44:43
  know,
• 44:43
  you're
• 44:43
  relatively,
• 44:44
  you
• 44:44
  know,
• 44:44
  you've
• 44:44
  been
• 44:45
  with
• 44:45
  the
• 44:45
  show
• 44:45
  for
• 44:45
  a
• 44:45
  long
• 44:45
  time,
• 44:46
  but
• 44:46
  relatively
• 44:46
  new.
• 44:46
  Being
• 44:47
  the
• 44:47
  100%
• 44:47
  guy,
• 44:48
  you
• 44:48
  know,
• 44:49
  kind
• 44:49
  of
• 44:49
  what's
• 44:49
  your
• 44:49
  vision
• 44:49
  for
• 44:50
  the
• 44:50
  show
• 44:50
  moving
• 44:50
  forward
• 44:51
  and
• 44:51
  you
• 44:51
  know,
• 44:52
  you
• 44:52
  know,
• 44:52
  how
• 44:52
  do
• 44:52
  you
• 44:52
  plan
• 44:53
  to
• 44:53
  kind
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  evolve
• 44:53
  and
• 44:54
  honor
• 44:54
  Colin's
• 44:55
  legacy?
• 44:56
  Yeah,
• 44:56
  yeah,
• 44:57
  we
• 44:57
  lost
• 44:57
  Colin
• 44:58
  about
• 44:59
  two
• 44:59
  months
• 45:00
  after
• 45:00
  we,
• 45:00
  we
• 45:00
  closed
• 45:01
  the
• 45:01
  deal.
• 45:03
  He
• 45:03
  passed
• 45:03
  away
• 45:04
  from
• 45:04
  a
• 45:04
  terminal
• 45:04
  cancer
• 45:05
  situation
• 45:05
  and
• 45:06
  we
• 45:06
  knew
• 45:06
  it
• 45:06
  was
• 45:06
  coming.
• 45:07
  But
• 45:07
  Colin
• 45:07
  really
• 45:08
  set
• 45:08
  me
• 45:08
  up
• 45:08
  for
• 45:09
  success
• 45:09
  with
• 45:09
  the
• 45:09
  new
• 45:09
  fly
• 45:10
  fisher
• 45:10
  and,
• 45:11
  and
• 45:12
  you
• 45:12
  know,
• 45:12
  I
• 45:12
  went
• 45:12
  to
• 45:13
  see
• 45:13
  him
• 45:13
  a
• 45:13
  couple
• 45:14
  days
• 45:14
  before
• 45:14
  he
• 45:14
  passed
• 45:15
  away
• 45:15
  to
• 45:15
  say
• 45:15
  our
• 45:15
  goodbyes
• 45:16
  and
• 45:17
  I
• 45:17
  promised
• 45:18
  him
• 45:18
  that
• 45:18
  I
• 45:19
  wouldn't
• 45:19
  change
• 45:20
  the
• 45:20
  core
• 45:20
  of
• 45:20
  the
• 45:21
  show
• 45:21
  as
• 45:22
  education
• 45:22
  and
• 45:22
  conservation.
• 45:24
  But
• 45:24
  what
• 45:24
  I
• 45:24
  am
• 45:24
  planning
• 45:25
  on
• 45:25
  doing
• 45:25
  is
• 45:26
  developing
• 45:27
  that
• 45:27
  documentary
• 45:28
  series
• 45:28
  even
• 45:28
  more
• 45:29
  and
• 45:30
  increasing
• 45:30
  our
• 45:30
  travel
• 45:31
  reach.
• 45:32
  So
• 45:32
  we,
• 45:33
  you
• 45:33
  know,
• 45:33
  we
• 45:33
  do
• 45:33
  a
• 45:33
  lot
• 45:34
  in
• 45:34
  North
• 45:34
  America,
• 45:34
  we
• 45:34
  do
• 45:35
  a
• 45:35
  lot
• 45:35
  in
• 45:36
  South
• 45:36
  America,
• 45:36
  Chile
• 45:37
  and
• 45:37
  Brazil.
• 45:38
  I
• 45:38
  want
• 45:38
  to
• 45:39
  increase
• 45:39
  our
• 45:39
  saltwater
• 45:39
  presence
• 45:40
  with
• 45:40
  the
• 45:41
  show
• 45:41
  and
• 45:42
  then
• 45:42
  start
• 45:42
  poking
• 45:42
  around
• 45:43
  in,
• 45:43
  in
• 45:44
  places
• 45:44
  like
• 45:44
  Ireland
• 45:44
  and
• 45:45
  Scotland
• 45:45
  and
• 45:45
  Northern
• 45:46
  Italy
• 45:46
  and
• 45:46
  Estonia
• 45:47
  and
• 45:48
  you
• 45:48
  know,
• 45:48
  one
• 45:49
  day
• 45:49
  hopefully
• 45:49
  getting
• 45:50
  down
• 45:50
  to,
• 45:50
  getting
• 45:50
  down
• 45:51
  to
• 45:51
  New
• 45:51
  Zealand
• 45:52
  and
• 45:52
  fish
• 45:52
  Australia
• 45:53
  and
• 45:53
  you
• 45:53
  know,
• 45:54
  really
• 45:54
  make
• 45:54
  it
• 45:54
  a,
• 45:55
  a
• 45:55
  worldwide
• 45:56
  fishing
• 45:57
  adventure
• 45:57
  show
• 45:58
  that
• 45:58
  people,
• 45:58
  I
• 45:59
  mean,
• 45:59
  we're
• 45:59
  distributed
• 45:59
  in
• 45:59
  many
• 46:00
  of
• 46:00
  those
• 46:00
  countries
• 46:00
  now,
• 46:01
  so
• 46:01
  people
• 46:01
  know,
• 46:02
  they
• 46:02
  know
• 46:02
  the
• 46:02
  show,
• 46:03
  they
• 46:03
  know,
• 46:03
  you
• 46:04
  know,
• 46:04
  they
• 46:04
  know
• 46:04
  what
• 46:04
  we
• 46:04
  do.
• 46:05
  But
• 46:05
  to
• 46:06
  showcase,
• 46:06
  you
• 46:07
  know,
• 46:08
  northern
• 46:08
  Italy
• 46:08
  marble
• 46:09
  trout,
• 46:09
  to
• 46:09
  showcase,
• 46:10
  you
• 46:11
  know,
• 46:12
  XYZ
• 46:13
  species
• 46:14
  and
• 46:14
  X,
• 46:14
  Y
• 46:14
  XYZ
• 46:15
  place
• 46:15
  that
• 46:15
  we've
• 46:15
  never
• 46:16
  been,
• 46:16
  I
• 46:16
  think
• 46:16
  is,
• 46:17
  is,
• 46:17
  is
• 46:17
  a
• 46:18
  great
• 46:18
  opportunity
• 46:18
  for
• 46:19
  the
• 46:19
  new
• 46:19
  fly
• 46:19
  fish
• 46:19
  to
• 46:20
  expand
• 46:20
  not
• 46:20
  only
• 46:21
  education
• 46:22
  but
• 46:23
  also
• 46:23
  our
• 46:23
  footprint
• 46:24
  globally.
• 46:26
  Very,
• 46:26
  very
• 46:26
  neat.
• 46:26
  And
• 46:27
  kind
• 46:27
  of
• 46:27
  a,
• 46:27
  kind
• 46:27
  of
• 46:27
  a
• 46:27
  related
• 46:28
  follow
• 46:28
  up
• 46:28
  question.
• 46:29
  You
• 46:29
  know,
• 46:29
  to
• 46:29
  say
• 46:29
  that
• 46:29
  the
• 46:30
  media
• 46:30
  landscape
• 46:30
  has
• 46:31
  changed
• 46:31
  a
• 46:31
  ton
• 46:31
  in
• 46:31
  the
• 46:32
  last
• 46:32
  25
• 46:32
  years
• 46:32
  is
• 46:32
  a
• 46:33
  huge
• 46:33
  understatement.
• 46:34
  Right?
• 46:34
  Because
• 46:34
  I
• 46:35
  mean,
• 46:35
  25
• 46:35
  years
• 46:35
  ago
• 46:35
  you
• 46:36
  didn't
• 46:36
  have
• 46:36
  the
• 46:36
  option
• 46:36
  of
• 46:36
  like,
• 46:36
  well,
• 46:37
  it's
• 46:37
  as
• 46:37
  long
• 46:37
  as
• 46:37
  it
• 46:37
  needs
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  be,
• 46:39
  you
• 46:39
  know,
• 46:39
  what
• 46:40
  are
• 46:40
  some
• 46:40
  of
• 46:40
  the
• 46:40
  changes
• 46:40
  you've
• 46:41
  seen?
• 46:41
  But
• 46:41
  then,
• 46:41
  you
• 46:41
  know,
• 46:41
  also
• 46:42
  with
• 46:42
  the
• 46:42
  changes
• 46:43
  come
• 46:43
  challenges.
• 46:43
  You
• 46:44
  know,
• 46:44
  what
• 46:44
  do
• 46:44
  you
• 46:44
  see
• 46:44
  as
• 46:45
  kind
• 46:45
  of
• 46:45
  the,
• 46:46
  you
• 46:46
  know,
• 46:46
  the
• 46:46
  changes
• 46:46
  but
• 46:47
  as
• 46:47
  well
• 46:47
  as
• 46:47
  the
• 46:47
  challenges
• 46:47
  moving
• 46:48
  forward
• 46:48
  to
• 46:48
  kind
• 46:48
  of,
• 46:49
  you
• 46:49
  know,
• 46:49
  continue
• 46:49
  to
• 46:50
  stay
• 46:50
  in
• 46:50
  the
• 46:50
  game
• 46:50
  kind
• 46:51
  of
• 46:51
  at
• 46:51
  the
• 46:51
  level
• 46:51
  that
• 46:51
  you're
• 46:52
  playing
• 46:52
  now.
• 46:53
  Right.
• 46:53
  So
• 46:53
  that's
• 46:54
  also
• 46:54
  a
• 46:55
  great
• 46:55
  question.
• 46:55
  This
• 46:55
  is
• 46:55
  a
• 46:55
  fun
• 46:56
  interview.
• 46:57
  I
• 46:57
  think
• 46:57
  the
• 46:57
  biggest
• 46:58
  change
• 46:58
  that
• 46:58
  I've
• 46:59
  seen
• 46:59
  in
• 46:59
  the
• 46:59
  last
• 46:59
  25
• 47:00
  years
• 47:00
  is,
• 47:00
  is
• 47:00
  Technology
• 47:01
  with
• 47:01
  respect
• 47:02
  to
• 47:03
  cameras.
• 47:04
  You
• 47:04
  know,
• 47:04
  when
• 47:04
  we
• 47:04
  first
• 47:05
  started
• 47:05
  shooting,
• 47:06
  shooting
• 47:06
  fishing,
• 47:07
  fishing
• 47:07
  shows
• 47:08
  for
• 47:08
  wfn,
• 47:09
  there
• 47:10
  was
• 47:10
  these
• 47:10
  big
• 47:10
  eng
• 47:10
  cameras
• 47:11
  that
• 47:11
  would
• 47:11
  sit
• 47:11
  on
• 47:11
  your
• 47:11
  shoulder
• 47:12
  and
• 47:12
  they
• 47:12
  were
• 47:12
  worth
• 47:12
  $350,000.
• 47:14
  And,
• 47:14
  and
• 47:15
  it
• 47:15
  was,
• 47:15
  you
• 47:15
  know,
• 47:15
  you
• 47:15
  had
• 47:15
  to
• 47:15
  have
• 47:16
  a
• 47:16
  separate
• 47:16
  truck
• 47:16
  for
• 47:17
  all
• 47:17
  your
• 47:17
  gear
• 47:17
  and,
• 47:17
  and,
• 47:18
  and
• 47:18
  so
• 47:18
  on
• 47:18
  and
• 47:19
  so
• 47:19
  forth.
• 47:19
  But
• 47:20
  today,
• 47:20
  I
• 47:20
  mean,
• 47:21
  I
• 47:21
  remember
• 47:21
  the
• 47:21
  first
• 47:21
  time
• 47:22
  I
• 47:22
  used
• 47:22
  a
• 47:22
  GoPro
• 47:23
  fishing
• 47:24
  Mako
• 47:24
  sharks
• 47:24
  in,
• 47:25
  in,
• 47:25
  in
• 47:26
  San
• 47:26
  Diego
• 47:26
  with
• 47:26
  Conway
• 47:27
  Bowman.
• 47:28
  And
• 47:29
  I
• 47:29
  had
• 47:29
  this
• 47:29
  epiphany
• 47:30
  that
• 47:30
  said,
• 47:31
  you
• 47:31
  know,
• 47:31
  this
• 47:31
  is
• 47:31
  a
• 47:32
  $500
• 47:32
  camera.
• 47:33
  This
• 47:33
  is,
• 47:34
  this
• 47:34
  is
• 47:34
  a
• 47:34
  disposable
• 47:35
  camera.
• 47:36
  I
• 47:36
  can
• 47:36
  stick
• 47:37
  this
• 47:37
  thing
• 47:37
  in
• 47:37
  a
• 47:37
  shark's
• 47:38
  mouth
• 47:38
  and
• 47:38
  as
• 47:38
  long
• 47:38
  as
• 47:38
  I
• 47:38
  get
• 47:39
  the
• 47:39
  chip
• 47:39
  back
• 47:40
  and
• 47:40
  I,
• 47:40
  I
• 47:41
  can
• 47:41
  get
• 47:41
  that
• 47:41
  shot.
• 47:42
  So
• 47:42
  with
• 47:42
  today's
• 47:42
  technology,
• 47:43
  with
• 47:43
  DJI
• 47:45
  OSMO
• 47:45
  cans
• 47:46
  with
• 47:46
  drones,
• 47:46
  with
• 47:48
  action
• 47:48
  cams,
• 47:50
  you
• 47:50
  know,
• 47:50
  extended
• 47:51
  battery
• 47:51
  life
• 47:51
  on
• 47:51
  these
• 47:52
  things,
• 47:52
  it's
• 47:52
  really
• 47:52
  changed
• 47:53
  the
• 47:53
  landscape.
• 47:53
  I
• 47:53
  remember
• 47:54
  a
• 47:54
  time
• 47:54
  when
• 47:54
  it
• 47:54
  was
• 47:54
  2000
• 47:55
  bucks
• 47:55
  an
• 47:55
  hour
• 47:55
  to
• 47:55
  rent
• 47:56
  a
• 47:56
  helicopter.
• 47:57
  Right
• 47:57
  now
• 47:57
  you
• 47:58
  spend,
• 47:58
  you
• 47:58
  know,
• 47:59
  1500
• 47:59
  bucks,
• 47:59
  you
• 48:00
  got
• 48:00
  a
• 48:00
  drone,
• 48:00
  you
• 48:00
  can
• 48:00
  fly
• 48:00
  anywhere
• 48:01
  you
• 48:01
  want,
• 48:01
  pretty
• 48:01
  much.
• 48:02
  So,
• 48:03
  you
• 48:03
  know,
• 48:03
  the
• 48:03
  technology
• 48:04
  is,
• 48:04
  has
• 48:05
  been
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  biggest
• 48:06
  change,
• 48:07
  not
• 48:07
  only
• 48:07
  in
• 48:08
  camel
• 48:09
  camera
• 48:09
  gear,
• 48:10
  but
• 48:10
  also
• 48:10
  in
• 48:11
  fly
• 48:11
  fishing
• 48:11
  technology.
• 48:13
  And
• 48:13
  I
• 48:13
  think
• 48:13
  the
• 48:14
  biggest
• 48:14
  challenge
• 48:14
  is
• 48:15
  for
• 48:16
  us
• 48:16
  as
• 48:16
  creators
• 48:19
  is
• 48:19
  to
• 48:20
  keep
• 48:20
  increasing
• 48:20
  the
• 48:21
  production
• 48:21
  value.
• 48:23
  With
• 48:23
  these
• 48:23
  new
• 48:23
  cameras
• 48:24
  comes
• 48:25
  opportunity
• 48:26
  for
• 48:26
  bigger,
• 48:27
  better,
• 48:27
  stronger.
• 48:28
  And
• 48:29
  in
• 48:29
  order
• 48:29
  to
• 48:29
  have
• 48:29
  a
• 48:30
  team
• 48:30
  that
• 48:30
  stays
• 48:31
  on
• 48:31
  top
• 48:31
  of,
• 48:31
  that,
• 48:32
  stays
• 48:32
  on
• 48:32
  top
• 48:32
  of
• 48:32
  the
• 48:32
  tech
• 48:33
  that
• 48:34
  is
• 48:34
  able
• 48:34
  to
• 48:35
  effectively
• 48:36
  jump
• 48:37
  in
• 48:37
  with
• 48:37
  a
• 48:37
  brand
• 48:37
  new
• 48:38
  piece
• 48:38
  of
• 48:38
  technology
• 48:38
  and
• 48:38
  run
• 48:39
  with
• 48:39
  it
• 48:39
  is
• 48:40
  the
• 48:40
  biggest
• 48:40
  challenge.
• 48:41
  Moving
• 48:41
  forward.
• 48:42
  From
• 48:43
  the
• 48:43
  TV
• 48:43
  side,
• 48:45
  from
• 48:45
  the
• 48:45
  fly
• 48:45
  fishing
• 48:46
  side,
• 48:46
  I
• 48:46
  think
• 48:46
  our
• 48:46
  biggest
• 48:47
  challenge
• 48:47
  is,
• 48:48
  geez,
• 48:50
  just
• 48:50
  getting
• 48:51
  youth
• 48:51
  involved,
• 48:51
  getting,
• 48:52
  getting
• 48:52
  more
• 48:52
  people
• 48:53
  involved
• 48:53
  and,
• 48:53
  and,
• 48:54
  and
• 48:54
  spreading
• 48:54
  out
• 48:55
  the
• 48:55
  pressure
• 48:55
  on
• 48:55
  our
• 48:55
  rivers
• 48:56
  and
• 48:56
  lakes
• 48:56
  and,
• 48:57
  and
• 48:57
  looking
• 48:58
  after
• 48:58
  the
• 48:58
  resource
• 48:59
  and
• 48:59
  giving
• 48:59
  back.
• 48:59
  That's
• 49:00
  the
• 49:00
  biggest
• 49:00
  challenge
• 49:00
  on
• 49:00
  the
• 49:00
  fly
• 49:01
  fishing
• 49:01
  side,
• 49:01
  if
• 49:01
  you
• 49:02
  ask
• 49:02
  me.
• 49:03
  On
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  monetization
• 49:04
  side,
• 49:04
  kind
• 49:05
  of
• 49:05
  anything
• 49:05
  in
• 49:05
  terms
• 49:05
  of
• 49:05
  like
• 49:06
  how
• 49:06
  things
• 49:06
  are
• 49:06
  financed
• 49:07
  and
• 49:07
  how
• 49:07
  they're
• 49:07
  monetized
• 49:08
  now
• 49:08
  and
• 49:08
  kind
• 49:08
  of
• 49:08
  that
• 49:09
  direction,
• 49:09
  because,
• 49:09
  I
• 49:09
  mean,
• 49:10
  you
• 49:10
  know,
• 49:10
  seems
• 49:11
  like
• 49:11
  kind
• 49:11
  of
• 49:11
  traditional
• 49:12
  cable
• 49:12
  TV's
• 49:13
  going
• 49:13
  away,
• 49:13
  right?
• 49:14
  Yeah,
• 49:15
  it
• 49:15
  is,
• 49:16
  it
• 49:16
  is.
• 49:17
  And
• 49:17
  you
• 49:17
  know,
• 49:18
  Colin
• 49:19
  and
• 49:19
  I,
• 49:20
  two
• 49:21
  or
• 49:21
  three
• 49:21
  years
• 49:21
  ago
• 49:21
  at
• 49:22
  the
• 49:22
  Denver
• 49:22
  Fly
• 49:22
  Fishing
• 49:23
  show,
• 49:23
  were
• 49:24
  able
• 49:24
  to
• 49:24
  sit
• 49:24
  down
• 49:24
  with
• 49:25
  Simon
• 49:25
  Gosworth
• 49:26
  and
• 49:27
  Tom
• 49:27
  Rosenbauer
• 49:28
  and
• 49:28
  sort
• 49:28
  of
• 49:28
  bounce
• 49:28
  an
• 49:29
  idea
• 49:29
  off
• 49:29
  them,
• 49:30
  which
• 49:30
  to
• 49:31
  me
• 49:31
  at
• 49:31
  the
• 49:31
  time
• 49:31
  sounded
• 49:32
  absolutely
• 49:32
  crazy,
• 49:33
  which
• 49:33
  was,
• 49:33
  why
• 49:34
  are
• 49:34
  we
• 49:36
  working
• 49:36
  so
• 49:36
  hard
• 49:37
  in
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  endemic
• 49:38
  fly
• 49:39
  fishing
• 49:39
  space
• 49:39
  when
• 49:40
  the
• 49:40
  pie
• 49:40
  is
• 49:40
  only
• 49:41
  so
• 49:41
  big?
• 49:42
  There's
• 49:43
  a
• 49:43
  lot
• 49:43
  of
• 49:43
  people
• 49:43
  that
• 49:44
  are
• 49:44
  asking
• 49:44
  for
• 49:44
  money
• 49:45
  for
• 49:45
  fly
• 49:46
  Fishing
• 49:46
  films
• 49:46
  for
• 49:46
  productions,
• 49:47
  for
• 49:48
  gear
• 49:49
  for
• 49:49
  what
• 49:49
  have
• 49:49
  you.
• 49:50
  Why
• 49:50
  are
• 49:51
  we
• 49:51
  fighting
• 49:51
  that
• 49:51
  fight?
• 49:54
  If
• 49:54
  we
• 49:54
  put
• 49:55
  our
• 49:55
  collective
• 49:55
  brains
• 49:56
  together
• 49:56
  and
• 49:56
  come
• 49:57
  up
• 49:57
  with
• 49:57
  a
• 49:57
  business
• 49:57
  model
• 49:58
  that
• 49:58
  eliminates
• 49:59
  the
• 49:59
  need
• 49:59
  for
• 49:59
  endemic
• 50:00
  sponsorship,
• 50:02
  then
• 50:03
  we
• 50:03
  can
• 50:03
  play
• 50:03
  with
• 50:04
  everybody
• 50:04
  nicely
• 50:04
  in
• 50:05
  the
• 50:05
  sandbox
• 50:06
  and
• 50:07
  not
• 50:07
  stereotype
• 50:08
  ourselves
• 50:09
  as
• 50:09
  being
• 50:09
  allied
• 50:10
  with
• 50:10
  one.
• 50:10
  With
• 50:10
  one
• 50:11
  fly
• 50:11
  fishing
• 50:11
  manufacturer.
• 50:12
  And
• 50:13
  I
• 50:13
  think
• 50:13
  that
• 50:13
  was
• 50:13
  a
• 50:14
  huge
• 50:14
  step
• 50:14
  forward
• 50:15
  in
• 50:16
  opening
• 50:16
  the
• 50:17
  doors
• 50:17
  for
• 50:18
  other
• 50:18
  companies
• 50:19
  to
• 50:19
  utilize
• 50:20
  our
• 50:20
  platform
• 50:21
  to
• 50:21
  whether
• 50:22
  they
• 50:22
  have
• 50:22
  a
• 50:22
  new
• 50:22
  product
• 50:22
  coming
• 50:23
  out
• 50:24
  or
• 50:25
  just
• 50:25
  using
• 50:25
  their
• 50:25
  rods
• 50:26
  or
• 50:26
  their
• 50:26
  vests
• 50:27
  or
• 50:27
  their
• 50:27
  waders
• 50:28
  in
• 50:28
  a
• 50:29
  show
• 50:29
  for
• 50:29
  gentle
• 50:30
  product
• 50:30
  placement.
• 50:32
  Dropping
• 50:33
  the
• 50:33
  need
• 50:33
  to
• 50:33
  ask
• 50:34
  for
• 50:34
  money
• 50:35
  has
• 50:35
  gone
• 50:37
  miles,
• 50:38
  way
• 50:38
  further
• 50:38
  than
• 50:38
  I
• 50:38
  ever
• 50:39
  thought.
• 50:39
  Marvin.
• 50:39
  It
• 50:39
  would.
• 50:40
  I
• 50:40
  thought
• 50:40
  it
• 50:40
  would
• 50:40
  be
• 50:40
  a
• 50:40
  kiss
• 50:41
  of
• 50:41
  death.
• 50:42
  Right?
• 50:42
  But
• 50:43
  there's
• 50:43
  other
• 50:43
  ways
• 50:44
  to
• 50:44
  raise
• 50:44
  money
• 50:44
  and
• 50:45
  there's
• 50:45
  other
• 50:45
  ways
• 50:45
  to.
• 50:46
  To
• 50:47
  get
• 50:47
  around
• 50:47
  that
• 50:48
  nut
• 50:48
  that
• 50:48
  you
• 50:49
  need
• 50:49
  to
• 50:49
  be
• 50:49
  able
• 50:49
  to
• 50:50
  produce
• 50:50
  26
• 50:50
  episodes
• 50:51
  a
• 50:51
  year
• 50:52
  and
• 50:52
  keep
• 50:52
  11
• 50:53
  people
• 50:54
  employed
• 50:55
  and
• 50:56
  loving
• 50:56
  what
• 50:56
  they
• 50:57
  do.
• 50:57
  So,
• 50:58
  yeah,
• 50:58
  that.
• 50:58
  That
• 50:58
  was.
• 50:59
  That
• 50:59
  was
• 50:59
  the
• 50:59
  biggest.
• 50:59
  That
• 51:00
  was
• 51:00
  the
• 51:00
  biggest
• 51:00
  move
• 51:00
  that
• 51:01
  we
• 51:01
  did.
• 51:01
  And
• 51:01
  so
• 51:02
  far,
• 51:02
  touch
• 51:02
  wood,
• 51:03
  it's.
• 51:03
  It's.
• 51:04
  It's
• 51:04
  paid
• 51:04
  off.
• 51:05
  Yeah,
• 51:06
  it's
• 51:06
  interesting
• 51:06
  you
• 51:06
  say
• 51:07
  that
• 51:07
  because
• 51:07
  kind
• 51:07
  of
• 51:07
  going
• 51:07
  back
• 51:08
  to
• 51:08
  the
• 51:08
  authenticity
• 51:09
  thing,
• 51:09
  I
• 51:09
  think
• 51:09
  people
• 51:09
  are
• 51:10
  smart
• 51:10
  enough
• 51:10
  to
• 51:10
  know
• 51:11
  that
• 51:11
  if
• 51:11
  it's
• 51:11
  not
• 51:11
  done
• 51:11
  that
• 51:12
  way,
• 51:12
  they're
• 51:12
  being
• 51:12
  sold
• 51:12
  to.
• 51:13
  Right.
• 51:15
  And,
• 51:15
  you
• 51:15
  know,
• 51:15
  my
• 51:16
  whole
• 51:16
  thing,
• 51:16
  like,
• 51:16
  and
• 51:17
  it's
• 51:17
  something
• 51:17
  I've
• 51:17
  worked
• 51:17
  really
• 51:17
  hard
• 51:18
  on
• 51:18
  the
• 51:18
  podcast
• 51:18
  is,
• 51:19
  you
• 51:19
  know,
• 51:19
  if
• 51:19
  I
• 51:19
  tell
• 51:19
  you
• 51:19
  to
• 51:20
  use
• 51:20
  something,
• 51:20
  it's
• 51:20
  because
• 51:21
  I'm
• 51:21
  spending
• 51:21
  my
• 51:21
  own
• 51:21
  money
• 51:22
  on
• 51:22
  it.
• 51:23
  Right?
• 51:24
  And
• 51:24
  I
• 51:24
  think,
• 51:24
  I
• 51:25
  think
• 51:25
  that's
• 51:25
  super
• 51:25
  valuable,
• 51:26
  you
• 51:26
  know,
• 51:26
  fly
• 51:27
  fishing
• 51:27
  for
• 51:27
  everything,
• 51:27
  Right?
• 51:29
  Yeah,
• 51:29
  we're
• 51:29
  not
• 51:30
  nascar.
• 51:30
  I
• 51:30
  mean,
• 51:31
  we
• 51:31
  don't
• 51:31
  wear
• 51:32
  labels.
• 51:32
  It's
• 51:32
  all
• 51:33
  gentle
• 51:33
  product
• 51:33
  placement
• 51:34
  that
• 51:34
  gives
• 51:35
  awareness
• 51:36
  of
• 51:36
  what
• 51:36
  we're
• 51:36
  using
• 51:36
  because
• 51:37
  people
• 51:37
  are
• 51:37
  genuinely
• 51:38
  interested
• 51:39
  in
• 51:39
  the
• 51:39
  equipment
• 51:40
  and
• 51:40
  the
• 51:40
  clothing
• 51:41
  that
• 51:41
  we
• 51:41
  wear
• 51:41
  and
• 51:41
  the
• 51:41
  equipment
• 51:42
  that
• 51:42
  we
• 51:42
  use.
• 51:43
  And
• 51:44
  I
• 51:44
  think
• 51:44
  that
• 51:44
  instead
• 51:45
  of
• 51:45
  banging
• 51:45
  people
• 51:45
  over
• 51:46
  the
• 51:46
  head
• 51:46
  saying,
• 51:46
  you
• 51:47
  know,
• 51:47
  buy
• 51:47
  this,
• 51:48
  buy
• 51:48
  that,
• 51:49
  you
• 51:49
  know,
• 51:50
  it
• 51:50
  doesn't
• 51:50
  hurt
• 51:51
  us
• 51:51
  to
• 51:51
  have
• 51:51
  a
• 51:51
  different.
• 51:51
  A
• 51:52
  different
• 51:52
  rod
• 51:52
  in
• 51:52
  our
• 51:52
  hand,
• 51:53
  a
• 51:53
  different
• 51:53
  reel
• 51:53
  on
• 51:53
  our
• 51:53
  rod
• 51:54
  every
• 51:54
  week.
• 51:55
  It
• 51:55
  really
• 51:55
  doesn't.
• 51:56
  And
• 51:56
  it
• 51:56
  shows
• 51:56
  that,
• 51:57
  you
• 51:57
  know,
• 51:57
  yes,
• 51:58
  there's
• 51:58
  good
• 51:58
  product
• 51:58
  out
• 51:59
  there,
• 51:59
  we're
• 51:59
  using
• 52:00
  it.
• 52:00
  But,
• 52:01
  you
• 52:01
  know,
• 52:01
  what
• 52:01
  if,
• 52:01
  for
• 52:02
  example,
• 52:02
  instead
• 52:03
  of
• 52:03
  using
• 52:03
  the
• 52:03
  new
• 52:03
  Helios,
• 52:04
  if
• 52:04
  I'm
• 52:04
  using
• 52:04
  a,
• 52:05
  you
• 52:05
  know,
• 52:05
  Clearwater,
• 52:06
  you
• 52:06
  know,
• 52:06
  that's
• 52:07
  a
• 52:07
  great
• 52:07
  entry
• 52:07
  rod
• 52:07
  for.
• 52:08
  For
• 52:08
  somebody
• 52:08
  to.
• 52:08
  To
• 52:09
  get
• 52:09
  in.
• 52:09
  To
• 52:09
  get
• 52:09
  in
• 52:10
  and
• 52:10
  use.
• 52:10
  And
• 52:10
  if
• 52:10
  it's
• 52:11
  good
• 52:11
  enough
• 52:11
  for.
• 52:11
  For
• 52:12
  people
• 52:12
  to
• 52:12
  use
• 52:12
  in
• 52:13
  a
• 52:13
  TV
• 52:13
  show,
• 52:13
  man,
• 52:14
  it
• 52:14
  must
• 52:14
  be
• 52:14
  good
• 52:14
  enough
• 52:14
  for
• 52:15
  me.
• 52:15
  To,
• 52:15
  you
• 52:16
  know,
• 52:16
  butz
• 52:17
  around
• 52:17
  on
• 52:17
  my,
• 52:17
  on
• 52:17
  my
• 52:18
  back
• 52:18
  lake
• 52:18
  or
• 52:18
  my,
• 52:19
  or
• 52:19
  my,
• 52:19
  my
• 52:19
  backyard
• 52:20
  stream.
• 52:20
  So
• 52:21
  yeah,
• 52:22
  in
• 52:23
  terms
• 52:23
  of
• 52:23
  kind
• 52:23
  of
• 52:24
  like
• 52:24
  pre
• 52:24
  production
• 52:25
  money
• 52:25
  and
• 52:25
  post
• 52:25
  production
• 52:26
  money.
• 52:26
  So
• 52:26
  for
• 52:26
  example,
• 52:27
  as
• 52:27
  opposed
• 52:27
  to
• 52:27
  like
• 52:27
  going
• 52:28
  to
• 52:28
  tourism
• 52:28
  people
• 52:29
  or,
• 52:29
  you
• 52:29
  know,
• 52:29
  something
• 52:30
  like
• 52:30
  that,
• 52:31
  you
• 52:31
  know,
• 52:31
  because
• 52:31
  I
• 52:31
  know
• 52:31
  one
• 52:32
  of
• 52:32
  the
• 52:32
  big
• 52:32
  things
• 52:32
  is
• 52:32
  like
• 52:32
  why
• 52:33
  YouTube
• 52:33
  doesn't
• 52:33
  work
• 52:33
  for
• 52:34
  networks,
• 52:34
  is
• 52:34
  they
• 52:34
  pay
• 52:34
  to
• 52:34
  produce
• 52:35
  it,
• 52:35
  but
• 52:35
  then
• 52:35
  they
• 52:35
  don't
• 52:35
  really
• 52:36
  get
• 52:36
  the
• 52:36
  direct
• 52:36
  revenue
• 52:37
  stream
• 52:37
  back.
• 52:37
  You
• 52:38
  know,
• 52:38
  what
• 52:38
  do
• 52:38
  you
• 52:38
  kind
• 52:38
  of
• 52:38
  see
• 52:39
  kind
• 52:39
  of
• 52:39
  in
• 52:39
  that
• 52:39
  mix
• 52:39
  between
• 52:40
  like,
• 52:40
  you
• 52:40
  know,
• 52:41
  getting
• 52:41
  paid
• 52:41
  for
• 52:42
  YouTube
• 52:42
  ad
• 52:42
  placements
• 52:43
  and
• 52:43
  other
• 52:43
  things
• 52:43
  kind
• 52:44
  of
• 52:44
  on
• 52:44
  the
• 52:44
  distribution
• 52:44
  side
• 52:45
  and
• 52:45
  on
• 52:45
  the
• 52:45
  front
• 52:45
  end.
• 52:45
  How
• 52:45
  has
• 52:46
  that
• 52:46
  changed?
• 52:48
  It's,
• 52:48
  it's
• 52:49
  getting
• 52:49
  better
• 52:49
  actually.
• 52:50
  It,
• 52:50
  you
• 52:50
  know,
• 52:50
  the
• 52:51
  distribution
• 52:51
  side
• 52:52
  is,
• 52:53
  is
• 52:53
  fantastic
• 52:54
  in,
• 52:54
  in
• 52:55
  the
• 52:55
  sense
• 52:55
  that,
• 52:56
  you
• 52:56
  know,
• 52:56
  since
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  pandemic,
• 52:57
  there's
• 52:58
  been
• 52:58
  such
• 52:58
  a
• 52:58
  huge
• 52:58
  increase
• 52:59
  in
• 53:00
  interest
• 53:00
  for
• 53:00
  fly
• 53:01
  fishing
• 53:01
  that,
• 53:02
  you
• 53:02
  know,
• 53:02
  I
• 53:02
  get,
• 53:02
  I
• 53:03
  get
• 53:03
  a
• 53:03
  email
• 53:04
  from
• 53:04
  my
• 53:04
  distributor
• 53:05
  once
• 53:05
  every
• 53:05
  three
• 53:06
  months
• 53:06
  saying,
• 53:06
  hey,
• 53:06
  I
• 53:06
  just,
• 53:07
  you
• 53:07
  know,
• 53:07
  are
• 53:07
  you
• 53:07
  okay
• 53:08
  with
• 53:08
  if
• 53:08
  I
• 53:08
  sign
• 53:09
  a
• 53:09
  deal
• 53:09
  for
• 53:09
  Germany
• 53:09
  and
• 53:10
  Austria?
• 53:10
  You
• 53:11
  know,
• 53:11
  are
• 53:11
  you
• 53:11
  okay
• 53:12
  if
• 53:12
  I
• 53:12
  sign
• 53:12
  a
• 53:12
  deal
• 53:12
  with
• 53:13
  Ukraine?
• 53:13
  Are
• 53:13
  you
• 53:13
  okay
• 53:14
  if
• 53:14
  I.
• 53:14
  And
• 53:14
  absolutely.
• 53:15
  So
• 53:15
  those
• 53:15
  distribution
• 53:16
  models
• 53:17
  are
• 53:17
  definitely
• 53:18
  helpful
• 53:18
  in
• 53:18
  revenue.
• 53:19
  YouTube
• 53:19
  is
• 53:20
  helpful
• 53:20
  in
• 53:20
  revenue.
• 53:21
  But
• 53:21
  all
• 53:21
  those
• 53:21
  monies
• 53:22
  just
• 53:22
  go
• 53:22
  right
• 53:22
  back
• 53:22
  into
• 53:23
  the,
• 53:23
  into
• 53:23
  the
• 53:23
  production
• 53:24
  budget
• 53:24
  so
• 53:25
  that
• 53:25
  we
• 53:25
  can
• 53:25
  continue
• 53:25
  to
• 53:26
  create
• 53:26
  great
• 53:26
  content.
• 53:28
  I
• 53:28
  wish
• 53:28
  I
• 53:28
  could
• 53:28
  take
• 53:29
  my
• 53:29
  distribution
• 53:29
  money
• 53:30
  and
• 53:30
  put
• 53:30
  it
• 53:30
  towards
• 53:31
  something
• 53:31
  fun,
• 53:32
  but
• 53:33
  the
• 53:33
  fun
• 53:33
  thing
• 53:33
  that
• 53:33
  I
• 53:34
  choose
• 53:34
  to
• 53:34
  put
• 53:34
  that
• 53:35
  money
• 53:35
  towards
• 53:35
  is,
• 53:36
  is,
• 53:37
  is
• 53:37
  the
• 53:37
  production.
• 53:38
  And
• 53:39
  you
• 53:39
  know,
• 53:40
  the
• 53:40
  more
• 53:40
  money,
• 53:41
  the
• 53:41
  more
• 53:41
  money
• 53:42
  we
• 53:42
  can
• 53:42
  play
• 53:43
  with,
• 53:43
  the
• 53:43
  more
• 53:43
  freedom
• 53:44
  we
• 53:44
  have
• 53:44
  to
• 53:44
  create
• 53:44
  great
• 53:45
  content
• 53:46
  and
• 53:47
  keep
• 53:47
  those
• 53:47
  production
• 53:48
  values
• 53:48
  going
• 53:48
  up.
• 53:50
  Very
• 53:50
  neat.
• 53:50
  And
• 53:50
  so
• 53:51
  as
• 53:51
  we
• 53:51
  kind
• 53:51
  of
• 53:51
  start
• 53:51
  to
• 53:52
  wind
• 53:52
  down,
• 53:52
  what
• 53:53
  should
• 53:53
  folks,
• 53:53
  kind
• 53:54
  of
• 53:54
  maybe
• 53:54
  some
• 53:54
  highlights
• 53:54
  for
• 53:55
  our
• 53:55
  listeners
• 53:56
  to
• 53:56
  be
• 53:56
  on
• 53:56
  the
• 53:56
  lookout
• 53:56
  for
• 53:57
  as
• 53:57
  the
• 53:57
  new
• 53:57
  episodes
• 53:57
  drop
• 53:58
  this
• 53:58
  season.
• 53:59
  Yeah,
• 54:00
  so
• 54:00
  we've
• 54:00
  just
• 54:01
  started.
• 54:02
  We've
• 54:02
  delivered
• 54:03
  our
• 54:03
  first
• 54:03
  eight
• 54:04
  episodes
• 54:04
  from
• 54:05
  season
• 54:05
  21.
• 54:07
  We've
• 54:07
  got
• 54:08
  some
• 54:08
  great
• 54:08
  content
• 54:09
  coming
• 54:09
  from
• 54:11
  Chile
• 54:11
  with
• 54:11
  Tom
• 54:12
  and
• 54:12
  I
• 54:12
  where
• 54:12
  we
• 54:15
  challenge
• 54:15
  the
• 54:16
  guides
• 54:16
  down
• 54:16
  there.
• 54:16
  We're
• 54:16
  there
• 54:17
  down
• 54:17
  there
• 54:17
  for
• 54:17
  two
• 54:17
  weeks
• 54:18
  fishing
• 54:18
  two
• 54:18
  different
• 54:18
  lodges
• 54:18
  and
• 54:19
  we
• 54:19
  challenge
• 54:19
  the
• 54:19
  guides
• 54:20
  to
• 54:21
  one
• 54:21
  fish
• 54:22
  waters
• 54:23
  that
• 54:23
  we
• 54:23
  have
• 54:23
  never
• 54:24
  seen
• 54:24
  before
• 54:25
  as,
• 54:25
  as
• 54:25
  flyingers.
• 54:26
  And
• 54:27
  the
• 54:27
  second
• 54:27
  part
• 54:27
  of
• 54:27
  each
• 54:28
  show
• 54:28
  is
• 54:28
  to
• 54:29
  find
• 54:29
  water
• 54:30
  that
• 54:30
  they
• 54:30
  have
• 54:30
  never
• 54:30
  fished
• 54:31
  before.
• 54:32
  So,
• 54:33
  you
• 54:33
  know,
• 54:33
  it's
• 54:33
  fun
• 54:34
  to
• 54:34
  go
• 54:34
  to
• 54:34
  new
• 54:34
  water
• 54:34
  as
• 54:35
  an
• 54:35
  angler,
• 54:35
  but
• 54:35
  it's
• 54:36
  really
• 54:36
  interesting
• 54:37
  to
• 54:37
  see
• 54:37
  how
• 54:37
  guides
• 54:38
  work
• 54:39
  when
• 54:39
  they've
• 54:39
  never
• 54:39
  been
• 54:40
  been
• 54:40
  to
• 54:40
  that
• 54:40
  body
• 54:41
  of
• 54:41
  water
• 54:41
  either.
• 54:42
  And,
• 54:43
  and
• 54:43
  how
• 54:44
  you
• 54:44
  have
• 54:44
  to
• 54:44
  work
• 54:44
  together
• 54:45
  in
• 54:46
  order
• 54:46
  to,
• 54:47
  to
• 54:47
  figure
• 54:48
  out
• 54:48
  the
• 54:48
  puzzle,
• 54:49
  you
• 54:49
  know,
• 54:49
  I've
• 54:49
  never
• 54:49
  had,
• 54:50
  I've
• 54:50
  never
• 54:50
  had
• 54:50
  a
• 54:50
  guide
• 54:51
  say
• 54:51
  to
• 54:51
  me
• 54:52
  on
• 54:52
  a
• 54:52
  body
• 54:52
  of
• 54:52
  water,
• 54:53
  can
• 54:53
  I
• 54:53
  see
• 54:53
  a
• 54:53
  rod?
• 54:53
  I
• 54:54
  want
• 54:54
  to
• 54:54
  try
• 54:54
  something.
• 54:56
  And
• 54:56
  I
• 54:57
  guess
• 54:57
  variantos.
• 54:58
  Who
• 54:58
  fish
• 54:59
  who?
• 54:59
  We
• 54:59
  fish
• 55:00
  very,
• 55:00
  very
• 55:00
  well
• 55:00
  together.
• 55:01
  We,
• 55:01
  we're,
• 55:01
  we're
• 55:02
  totally
• 55:02
  twins
• 55:03
  in
• 55:03
  our
• 55:03
  fishing
• 55:03
  philosophy.
• 55:05
  He's
• 55:05
  like,
• 55:06
  can
• 55:06
  I.
• 55:07
  Like
• 55:07
  this
• 55:07
  isn't
• 55:07
  working.
• 55:08
  There
• 55:08
  should
• 55:08
  be
• 55:08
  fish
• 55:08
  here.
• 55:08
  Can
• 55:09
  I
• 55:09
  try
• 55:09
  something?
• 55:09
  It's
• 55:10
  like,
• 55:10
  yeah
• 55:10
  man,
• 55:10
  go
• 55:10
  for
• 55:10
  it.
• 55:10
  And
• 55:11
  he
• 55:11
  put
• 55:11
  on
• 55:11
  this
• 55:11
  crazy
• 55:11
  contraption,
• 55:12
  xyz,
• 55:13
  which
• 55:13
  you'll
• 55:13
  see
• 55:13
  in
• 55:13
  the
• 55:13
  show.
• 55:14
  And
• 55:14
  sure
• 55:14
  enough,
• 55:14
  you
• 55:15
  know,
• 55:15
  24
• 55:15
  inch
• 55:15
  brown
• 55:16
  hair,
• 55:16
  you
• 55:16
  know,
• 55:17
  so
• 55:17
  it's,
• 55:17
  it's,
• 55:18
  it's
• 55:18
  those
• 55:19
  kinds
• 55:19
  of
• 55:19
  things
• 55:20
  that,
• 55:20
  that
• 55:20
  you
• 55:20
  know,
• 55:21
  I
• 55:21
  look
• 55:22
  forward
• 55:22
  to
• 55:22
  in
• 55:22
  these
• 55:22
  episodes
• 55:23
  coming
• 55:23
  up.
• 55:24
  We've
• 55:24
  got
• 55:26
  a
• 55:26
  bunch
• 55:26
  of
• 55:26
  Ontario
• 55:26
  shows
• 55:27
  that
• 55:27
  are
• 55:27
  on,
• 55:27
  on
• 55:27
  the
• 55:28
  docket.
• 55:28
  We've
• 55:28
  got
• 55:28
  a,
• 55:29
  a
• 55:29
  great
• 55:30
  big
• 55:30
  northern
• 55:31
  pike
• 55:31
  show
• 55:31
  up
• 55:31
  in
• 55:32
  Manitoba.
• 55:32
  We've
• 55:33
  got
• 55:33
  grayling,
• 55:34
  lake
• 55:34
  trout
• 55:35
  and
• 55:35
  arctic
• 55:35
  char
• 55:36
  in
• 55:37
  Saskatchewan.
• 55:38
  We
• 55:38
  do
• 55:39
  big
• 55:39
  brook
• 55:40
  trout
• 55:40
  and
• 55:40
  Atlantic
• 55:40
  salmon
• 55:41
  shows
• 55:41
  in
• 55:41
  Newfoundland
• 55:42
  and
• 55:42
  Labrador.
• 55:43
  We,
• 55:44
  we
• 55:44
  still
• 55:44
  do
• 55:44
  a
• 55:44
  lot
• 55:45
  of
• 55:45
  great
• 55:45
  content
• 55:45
  out
• 55:45
  of
• 55:46
  the
• 55:46
  American
• 55:46
  West,
• 55:46
  Wyoming,
• 55:48
  Idaho,
• 55:49
  Montana.
• 55:50
  I've
• 55:51
  just
• 55:51
  got
• 55:51
  this
• 55:51
  great
• 55:51
  new
• 55:52
  contact
• 55:53
  down
• 55:53
  in
• 55:53
  Colombia
• 55:54
  that
• 55:55
  I
• 55:55
  wanted
• 55:55
  that,
• 55:55
  that
• 55:56
  is
• 55:56
  very
• 55:56
  interested
• 55:56
  in
• 55:57
  having
• 55:57
  us
• 55:57
  come
• 55:57
  for
• 55:58
  peacock
• 55:59
  bass,
• 56:00
  payara,
• 56:01
  arowana,
• 56:02
  bakuda,
• 56:03
  all
• 56:03
  kinds
• 56:03
  of
• 56:03
  crazy
• 56:04
  jungle
• 56:04
  fish.
• 56:05
  And
• 56:05
  then
• 56:05
  they
• 56:05
  have
• 56:05
  a
• 56:06
  saltwater
• 56:06
  element
• 56:06
  there
• 56:07
  too.
• 56:07
  So
• 56:07
  a
• 56:07
  lot
• 56:07
  of
• 56:08
  pelagics
• 56:09
  like
• 56:09
  dolphin,
• 56:10
  marlin,
• 56:11
  sailfish
• 56:12
  and
• 56:12
  then
• 56:12
  they've
• 56:12
  got
• 56:12
  an
• 56:12
  inshore,
• 56:13
  inshore
• 56:13
  fishery
• 56:14
  and
• 56:14
  in
• 56:15
  tarpon
• 56:15
  and,
• 56:16
  and,
• 56:17
  and
• 56:17
  like
• 56:18
  mutton
• 56:18
  snappers
• 56:19
  and
• 56:19
  things
• 56:19
  like
• 56:19
  that
• 56:19
  and
• 56:19
  mangroves,
• 56:20
  all
• 56:20
  kinds
• 56:20
  of
• 56:20
  stuff.
• 56:21
  So
• 56:21
  um,
• 56:22
  and
• 56:22
  then
• 56:22
  looking
• 56:22
  forward
• 56:23
  to
• 56:23
  trying
• 56:23
  to
• 56:23
  get
• 56:23
  into
• 56:24
  Ireland,
• 56:24
  Scotland
• 56:25
  and,
• 56:25
  and,
• 56:26
  and
• 56:26
  the
• 56:27
  Dolomites
• 56:27
  up
• 56:27
  in
• 56:28
  Northern
• 56:28
  Italy.
• 56:29
  Um,
• 56:29
  yeah,
• 56:30
  so
• 56:30
  just
• 56:30
  there's
• 56:30
  all
• 56:31
  kinds
• 56:31
  of
• 56:31
  great
• 56:31
  stuff
• 56:31
  coming
• 56:32
  down
• 56:32
  the
• 56:32
  line.
• 56:32
  I'm
• 56:33
  going
• 56:33
  to
• 56:33
  try
• 56:33
  to
• 56:33
  step
• 56:34
  back
• 56:34
  from
• 56:34
  my
• 56:34
  hosting
• 56:35
  duties
• 56:35
  a
• 56:35
  little
• 56:35
  bit
• 56:36
  to
• 56:36
  be
• 56:37
  on
• 56:37
  the
• 56:37
  business
• 56:37
  development
• 56:38
  end.
• 56:38
  But
• 56:38
  I've
• 56:39
  tried
• 56:39
  that
• 56:39
  for
• 56:39
  years
• 56:39
  and
• 56:40
  it
• 56:40
  never
• 56:40
  happens.
• 56:40
  The,
• 56:41
  the,
• 56:41
  the
• 56:41
  lure
• 56:42
  of
• 56:42
  being
• 56:42
  in
• 56:42
  the
• 56:42
  field
• 56:43
  is
• 56:43
  just
• 56:43
  too
• 56:44
  much,
• 56:44
  Marvin.
• 56:44
  Especially
• 56:45
  when
• 56:45
  you're
• 56:45
  going
• 56:46
  with
• 56:46
  great
• 56:46
  guides
• 56:46
  and
• 56:47
  great
• 56:47
  locations
• 56:47
  and
• 56:48
  things.
• 56:48
  So
• 56:49
  yeah,
• 56:49
  lots
• 56:49
  to
• 56:50
  look
• 56:50
  forward
• 56:50
  to,
• 56:50
  that's
• 56:51
  for
• 56:51
  sure,
• 56:51
  100%.
• 56:52
  And
• 56:52
  so
• 56:53
  you
• 56:53
  know,
• 56:53
  where
• 56:53
  can
• 56:53
  folks
• 56:54
  find
• 56:54
  the
• 56:54
  show?
• 56:55
  Yeah,
• 56:56
  so
• 56:57
  the
• 56:57
  best
• 56:57
  way
• 56:58
  to
• 56:58
  find
• 56:58
  us
• 56:58
  is
• 56:59
  on
• 56:59
  our
• 56:59
  YouTube
• 56:59
  channel,
• 57:00
  the
• 57:00
  new
• 57:01
  Fly
• 57:01
  Fisher
• 57:01
  YouTube
• 57:02
  channel.
• 57:02
  We've
• 57:02
  got
• 57:03
  thousands
• 57:03
  of
• 57:04
  videos
• 57:04
  up
• 57:04
  there,
• 57:05
  whether
• 57:05
  they
• 57:06
  be
• 57:06
  tips
• 57:07
  or
• 57:07
  full
• 57:07
  length
• 57:08
  episodes
• 57:08
  from
• 57:09
  multi
• 57:09
  species
• 57:10
  from
• 57:11
  many
• 57:11
  of
• 57:11
  the
• 57:11
  years
• 57:12
  that
• 57:12
  we've,
• 57:12
  we,
• 57:12
  that
• 57:12
  we've
• 57:13
  done
• 57:13
  it.
• 57:13
  That's
• 57:13
  the
• 57:13
  best
• 57:13
  way.
• 57:14
  That's
• 57:14
  where
• 57:14
  that's
• 57:14
  the
• 57:14
  way
• 57:14
  you
• 57:14
  can
• 57:15
  see
• 57:15
  the
• 57:15
  extended
• 57:15
  play
• 57:15
  versions.
• 57:17
  You
• 57:17
  can
• 57:17
  also
• 57:17
  find
• 57:17
  us
• 57:17
  on
• 57:18
  traditional
• 57:18
  broadcast
• 57:19
  on
• 57:19
  World
• 57:19
  Fishing
• 57:20
  Network
• 57:21
  WFN
• 57:21
  in
• 57:21
  the
• 57:22
  US
• 57:22
  and
• 57:22
  on
• 57:23
  Sportsman
• 57:23
  Channel
• 57:23
  Canada
• 57:24
  in,
• 57:25
  in
• 57:25
  Canada,
• 57:25
  as
• 57:25
  well
• 57:25
  as
• 57:26
  a
• 57:26
  bunch
• 57:26
  of
• 57:26
  regional
• 57:26
  channels
• 57:27
  around
• 57:28
  as
• 57:28
  well.
• 57:28
  And
• 57:28
  I
• 57:29
  don't
• 57:29
  know
• 57:29
  the
• 57:29
  international
• 57:31
  distribution
• 57:31
  channels,
• 57:32
  so
• 57:33
  we're
• 57:33
  also
• 57:33
  on
• 57:34
  mltv,
• 57:35
  I
• 57:35
  believe,
• 57:36
  which
• 57:36
  is
• 57:36
  a
• 57:36
  streaming
• 57:37
  service.
• 57:37
  Fish
• 57:37
  TV
• 57:38
  out
• 57:38
  of
• 57:38
  Britain,
• 57:38
  which
• 57:38
  is
• 57:39
  a
• 57:39
  streaming
• 57:39
  service.
• 57:40
  Yeah.
• 57:41
  So
• 57:41
  there's,
• 57:41
  we're.
• 57:42
  YouTube's
• 57:42
  the
• 57:43
  best
• 57:43
  one,
• 57:43
  though,
• 57:43
  for
• 57:43
  sure.
• 57:44
  Got
• 57:44
  it.
• 57:44
  Anything
• 57:45
  else
• 57:45
  you
• 57:45
  want
• 57:45
  to
• 57:45
  share
• 57:45
  with
• 57:46
  our
• 57:46
  listeners
• 57:46
  before
• 57:46
  I
• 57:46
  let
• 57:47
  you
• 57:47
  hop
• 57:47
  this
• 57:47
  afternoon?
• 57:48
  No,
• 57:48
  I
• 57:49
  think,
• 57:49
  I
• 57:49
  think
• 57:49
  one
• 57:49
  of
• 57:50
  the
• 57:50
  things
• 57:50
  that,
• 57:51
  you
• 57:51
  know,
• 57:52
  we
• 57:52
  talked
• 57:52
  about
• 57:53
  with,
• 57:53
  with
• 57:53
  respect
• 57:54
  to
• 57:54
  mentors
• 57:56
  is
• 57:58
  what
• 57:58
  I,
• 57:59
  what
• 57:59
  I,
• 57:59
  what
• 57:59
  I,
• 57:59
  what
• 58:00
  I
• 58:00
  have
• 58:00
  written
• 58:00
  down
• 58:00
  here,
• 58:00
  and
• 58:01
  I
• 58:01
  wanted
• 58:01
  to
• 58:01
  say
• 58:01
  when
• 58:01
  we
• 58:02
  were
• 58:02
  talking
• 58:02
  about
• 58:02
  it,
• 58:02
  is
• 58:03
  the
• 58:03
  support
• 58:03
  that,
• 58:04
  that
• 58:04
  we
• 58:04
  have
• 58:04
  from
• 58:04
  our
• 58:05
  families
• 58:05
  and
• 58:05
  doing
• 58:05
  what
• 58:05
  we
• 58:06
  do.
• 58:06
  You
• 58:06
  know,
• 58:06
  there
• 58:07
  are
• 58:07
  times
• 58:07
  when
• 58:07
  I'm
• 58:07
  gone
• 58:08
  for
• 58:08
  four
• 58:08
  to
• 58:09
  six
• 58:09
  months
• 58:09
  out
• 58:09
  of
• 58:09
  the
• 58:09
  year.
• 58:10
  You
• 58:10
  know,
• 58:10
  my
• 58:10
  kids
• 58:11
  are
• 58:11
  20
• 58:11
  and,
• 58:12
  and
• 58:12
  soon
• 58:13
  to
• 58:13
  be
• 58:13
  17.
• 58:14
  And,
• 58:14
  you
• 58:15
  know,
• 58:15
  my
• 58:15
  wife
• 58:15
  Jen
• 58:16
  holds,
• 58:16
  holds
• 58:16
  down
• 58:17
  this
• 58:17
  fort
• 58:17
  while
• 58:17
  I'm
• 58:17
  out
• 58:18
  gallivanting
• 58:18
  and
• 58:19
  in,
• 58:19
  in
• 58:19
  great
• 58:20
  locations
• 58:20
  catching
• 58:21
  amazing
• 58:22
  species.
• 58:22
  And,
• 58:23
  you
• 58:23
  know,
• 58:23
  I,
• 58:24
  without
• 58:24
  her
• 58:24
  support
• 58:24
  throughout
• 58:25
  the
• 58:25
  years
• 58:25
  and,
• 58:26
  and
• 58:27
  having
• 58:28
  faith
• 58:28
  in
• 58:28
  what
• 58:28
  we
• 58:28
  do,
• 58:29
  she's
• 58:30
  not
• 58:30
  only
• 58:30
  my,
• 58:30
  my
• 58:31
  partner
• 58:31
  in
• 58:31
  life,
• 58:31
  but
• 58:32
  she's
• 58:32
  my
• 58:32
  partner
• 58:32
  here
• 58:33
  and
• 58:33
  in
• 58:33
  the
• 58:33
  new
• 58:34
  fly
• 58:34
  fisher
• 58:34
  and
• 58:35
  has
• 58:35
  my,
• 58:35
  she's
• 58:36
  a
• 58:36
  fantastic
• 58:37
  backstop,
• 58:37
  has
• 58:37
  my
• 58:37
  back
• 58:38
  for
• 58:38
  everything
• 58:38
  I
• 58:38
  do.
• 58:38
  And
• 58:40
  many
• 58:40
  of
• 58:40
  us
• 58:40
  in
• 58:40
  this
• 58:40
  industry,
• 58:41
  whether
• 58:41
  it's
• 58:41
  guiding,
• 58:42
  outfitting
• 58:43
  television
• 58:43
  or
• 58:43
  what
• 58:44
  have
• 58:44
  you,
• 58:44
  podcasting,
• 58:45
  traveling
• 58:46
  all
• 58:46
  over
• 58:46
  like
• 58:46
  you
• 58:46
  do,
• 58:46
  Marlon,
• 58:47
  without
• 58:48
  the
• 58:48
  support
• 58:48
  of
• 58:49
  your
• 58:49
  family
• 58:50
  behind
• 58:50
  you,
• 58:51
  you're,
• 58:51
  you're
• 58:51
  really
• 58:52
  doing
• 58:52
  it.
• 58:52
  It's,
• 58:53
  it's
• 58:53
  not
• 58:53
  worth
• 58:54
  it.
• 58:54
  So,
• 58:55
  yeah,
• 58:55
  that's,
• 58:56
  that's
• 58:56
  the
• 58:56
  only
• 58:56
  thing
• 58:56
  I
• 58:56
  wanted
• 58:57
  to
• 58:57
  add
• 58:57
  other
• 58:57
  than,
• 58:58
  you
• 58:58
  know,
• 58:59
  I
• 58:59
  want
• 58:59
  to
• 58:59
  thank
• 58:59
  our
• 58:59
  viewers
• 59:00
  for
• 59:00
  being
• 59:00
  so
• 59:00
  loyal
• 59:01
  over
• 59:01
  the
• 59:01
  years.
• 59:02
  Know,
• 59:03
  email's
• 59:03
  always
• 59:03
  open
• 59:03
  if
• 59:04
  anybody
• 59:04
  wants
• 59:04
  to
• 59:04
  contact
• 59:05
  me
• 59:05
  or
• 59:06
  any
• 59:06
  of
• 59:06
  our
• 59:06
  team.
• 59:07
  And
• 59:07
  lastly,
• 59:08
  Marvin,
• 59:08
  thanks
• 59:09
  for
• 59:09
  the
• 59:09
  opportunity.
• 59:09
  This
• 59:10
  was,
• 59:10
  this
• 59:10
  was
• 59:10
  a
• 59:11
  lot
• 59:11
  of
• 59:11
  fun.
• 59:11
  A
• 59:12
  lot
• 59:12
  of
• 59:12
  fun.
• 59:12
  I
• 59:12
  really
• 59:12
  enjoyed
• 59:13
  it.
• 59:13
  Yeah,
• 59:13
  it's
• 59:14
  been
• 59:14
  a
• 59:14
  blast.
• 59:14
  I
• 59:14
  mean,
• 59:14
  it's
• 59:15
  kind
• 59:15
  of
• 59:15
  fun
• 59:15
  and,
• 59:15
  you
• 59:15
  know,
• 59:16
  hopefully
• 59:16
  our
• 59:16
  paths
• 59:16
  will
• 59:16
  cross
• 59:17
  before
• 59:18
  we
• 59:18
  get
• 59:18
  together
• 59:18
  again
• 59:18
  in
• 59:19
  November
• 59:20
  up
• 59:20
  in
• 59:20
  Pennsylvania.
• 59:21
  You
• 59:21
  know,
• 59:22
  if,
• 59:22
  if
• 59:22
  folks
• 59:22
  want
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  to
• 59:23
  learn
• 59:23
  more
• 59:23
  about
• 59:23
  The
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  New
• 59:23
  Fly
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  Fisher,
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  kind
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  of
• 59:24
  follow
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  your
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  adventures
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  on
• 59:25
  the
• 59:25
  water,
• 59:25
  where
• 59:26
  should
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  they
• 59:26
  go?
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  You
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  know,
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  our
• 59:28
  Instagram.
• 59:28
  Instagram
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  is
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  updated
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  weekly
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  on,
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  on
• 59:30
  the
• 59:30
  adventures
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  of
• 59:31
  what
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  we're
• 59:31
  doing,
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• 59:32
  as
• 59:32
  our
• 59:32
  Facebook
• 59:33
  page.
• 59:34
  One
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  of
• 59:35
  our
• 59:35
  hopes,
• 59:35
  as
• 59:35
  I
• 59:35
  mentioned
• 59:36
  Alex
• 59:36
  Parks
• 59:36
  looks
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  after
• 59:37
  the
• 59:37
  Instagram
• 59:37
  stuff
• 59:37
  and,
• 59:38
  and
• 59:38
  you
• 59:38
  know,
• 59:39
  we
• 59:39
  do
• 59:39
  a
• 59:39
  lot
• 59:39
  of
• 59:39
  collaboration
• 59:40
  with,
• 59:41
  with
• 59:41
  Orvis
• 59:41
  Scientific
• 59:42
  anglers
• 59:42
  and
• 59:43
  things
• 59:43
  like
• 59:43
  that.
• 59:43
  So
• 59:44
  if
• 59:45
  you,
• 59:45
  if
• 59:45
  you
• 59:45
  stay
• 59:45
  close
• 59:46
  to
• 59:46
  social
• 59:46
  media
• 59:47
  in
• 59:47
  the
• 59:47
  fly
• 59:47
  fishing
• 59:48
  space,
• 59:48
  chances
• 59:48
  are,
• 59:49
  you
• 59:49
  know,
• 59:49
  you'll
• 59:50
  be
• 59:50
  able
• 59:50
  to
• 59:50
  see
• 59:50
  what's
• 59:50
  going
• 59:51
  on
• 59:51
  that
• 59:52
  week
• 59:52
  where,
• 59:52
  where
• 59:52
  we're
• 59:53
  in
• 59:53
  the
• 59:53
  field
• 59:53
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• 59:53
  or
• 59:54
  what
• 59:54
  have
• 59:54
  you
• 59:54
  and
• 59:54
  some
• 59:54
  of
• 59:55
  the
• 59:55
  fun
• 59:55
  things
• 59:55
  that,
• 59:55
  that
• 59:55
  we're
• 59:56
  up
• 59:56
  to.
• 59:56
  Yeah.
• 59:57
  So
• 59:57
  I
• 59:57
  think
• 59:57
  that's
• 59:57
  probably
• 59:58
  the
• 59:58
  best
• 59:58
  way
• 59:58
  to,
• 59:58
  to
• 59:59
  keep
• 59:59
  in
• 59:59
  touch
• 59:59
  and
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  to
• 59:59
  keep
• 1:00:00
  abreast
• 1:00:00
  of
• 1:00:01
  what,
• 1:00:01
  what
• 1:00:02
  host
• 1:00:02
  is,
• 1:00:02
  where
• 1:00:02
  and
• 1:00:02
  what
• 1:00:03
  they're
• 1:00:03
  fishing
• 1:00:03
  for
• 1:00:03
  and,
• 1:00:04
  and
• 1:00:04
  all
• 1:00:05
  the
• 1:00:05
  fun
• 1:00:05
  stuff
• 1:00:05
  that
• 1:00:05
  goes
• 1:00:06
  along
• 1:00:06
  with
• 1:00:06
  it.
• 1:00:06
  Absolutely.
• 1:00:07
  And
• 1:00:07
  I
• 1:00:07
  will
• 1:00:07
  drop
• 1:00:08
  links
• 1:00:08
  to
• 1:00:08
  all
• 1:00:08
  that
• 1:00:08
  stuff
• 1:00:09
  in
• 1:00:09
  the
• 1:00:09
  show
• 1:00:09
  notes.
• 1:00:10
  Fantastic.
• 1:00:11
  Well,
• 1:00:11
  listen,
• 1:00:11
  Mark,
• 1:00:12
  I
• 1:00:12
  super
• 1:00:12
  appreciate
• 1:00:12
  you
• 1:00:13
  making
• 1:00:13
  the
• 1:00:13
  time
• 1:00:13
  this
• 1:00:13
  afternoon.
• 1:00:14
  My
• 1:00:15
  pleasure,
• 1:00:15
  Marvin.
• 1:00:15
  Let's,
• 1:00:16
  let's
• 1:00:16
  make
• 1:00:16
  sure
• 1:00:16
  to
• 1:00:16
  do
• 1:00:17
  it
• 1:00:17
  again.
• 1:00:17
  Absolutely.
• 1:00:18
  Take
• 1:00:18
  care.
• 1:00:19
  Thank
• 1:00:19
  you.
• 1:00:20
  You
• 1:00:20
  too.
• 1:00:21
  Well,
• 1:00:21
  folks,
• 1:00:21
  we
• 1:00:22
  hope
• 1:00:22
  you
• 1:00:22
  enjoyed
• 1:00:22
  the
• 1:00:22
  interview
• 1:00:23
  as
• 1:00:23
  much
• 1:00:23
  as
• 1:00:23
  we
• 1:00:23
  enjoyed
• 1:00:24
  bringing
• 1:00:24
  it
• 1:00:24
  to
• 1:00:24
  you.
• 1:00:25
  Don't
• 1:00:25
  forget
• 1:00:25
  to
• 1:00:25
  check
• 1:00:26
  out
• 1:00:26
  the
• 1:00:26
  links
• 1:00:26
  to
• 1:00:26
  all
• 1:00:26
  this
• 1:00:27
  episode
• 1:00:27
  sponsored
• 1:00:27
  monsters
• 1:00:28
  in
• 1:00:28
  the
• 1:00:28
  show
• 1:00:28
  notes.
• 1:00:29
  Tight
• 1:00:29
  lines,
• 1:00:29
  everybody.