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Simple Steps to Career CLARITY in the Modern Workforce · Business Roundtable

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the Business Roundtable podcast. I have
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Speaker 1: a brand new guest this week, Madeleine Miller, all the
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Speaker 1: way down from down Under in Australia. We're super excited
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Speaker 1: to have her here, and we have a great topic
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Speaker 1: we're going to be covering today, Madeline's Focus, where she
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Speaker 1: coaches and guides all sorts of individuals, particularly the millennials
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Speaker 1: and gen z's. But you know, we're going to get
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Speaker 1: into her framework or understanding and really addressing the issues
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Speaker 1: that we're seeing seeing as business owners. How do we
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Speaker 1: incorporate this workforce in a positive way. And so, Madeline,
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Speaker 1: I'm just super excited to have you here. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining us on the Business round People podcast. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, I've met previously and had a lot of
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Speaker 1: great conversations and so I'm super excited to have you here.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Thank you so much. I'm very happy to be
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Speaker 2: here as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, I love your story.
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Speaker 1: You've you've written a book, you have a great website,
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Speaker 1: you can you can check it out here and have
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Speaker 1: all this in the show notes. But for those that
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Speaker 1: are just kind of getting to know you, Madeline, and
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Speaker 1: you you came and you worked here in California and
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles and kind of like, share a little bit
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Speaker 1: about your journey, what got you started? Why are you
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Speaker 1: so passionate about career coaching and guiding? These folks like
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Speaker 1: to just share a little bit about your history background.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, so I was. I started out well, I
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Speaker 2: didn't really start out, but I became a lawyer in
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Speaker 2: my late twenties. And I always say I sort of
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Speaker 2: went to law school almost because I was a bit
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Speaker 2: out of options and I thought, well, be with me,
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Speaker 2: like this will give me purpose, right, this will an identity.
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Speaker 2: I remember saying, like it's a body of knowledge or no,
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Speaker 2: therefore I'll feel like purposeful. But that wasn't really the reality,
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Speaker 2: and I ended up jumping. I think in the first
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Speaker 2: five years of being a lawyer, I moved like within
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Speaker 2: law like five times so, and I even moved an earlier.
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Speaker 2: I worked for the UN, I was back in Melbourne, Australia,
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Speaker 2: I worked for government, I worked for private firm. So
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Speaker 2: I really was still trying to find my path. And
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Speaker 2: I think that that was very eye opening for me
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Speaker 2: because only later did I realize how much I was
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Speaker 2: sort of projecting the problem onto the I guess environment
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Speaker 2: rather than realizing that, you know, I was the problem,
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Speaker 2: as in I hadn't really worked out what I wanted
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Speaker 2: to do and why. So I was looking for an
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Speaker 2: external solution to an internal problem. And I think when
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Speaker 2: I did a little bit of this work, sort of
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Speaker 2: values work, I got a little bit more aligned on
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Speaker 2: my interest in skills. I decided that I really wanted
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Speaker 2: to become an entertainment lawyerse that kind of married, yeah,
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Speaker 2: like skills, interests vocation together, and from there I could
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Speaker 2: become more driven and more purposeful. So I sort of
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Speaker 2: maneuvered myself into a role in that industry in Australia.
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Speaker 2: But it's quite a small industry. As she said, I
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Speaker 2: moved in twenty fifteen. I moved to the US and
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Speaker 2: I ended up working I did a master's in entertainment
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Speaker 2: law at UCLA, and then I ended up working in
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Speaker 2: Hollywood and that culminated as production attorney for the James
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Speaker 2: Bond franchise. And it's I tell that part of the
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Speaker 2: story because in like a movie, that would be the end, right,
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Speaker 2: that'd be like yeah, and she maded it, you know, tick,
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Speaker 2: But that was only really the start, or kind of
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Speaker 2: I guess it was the mid because during that period
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Speaker 2: I was before I worked for Bond, I was working
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Speaker 2: in another production company, and that was an incredibly intense
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Speaker 2: work period for me. And that was the first time
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Speaker 2: that I really think I got close to experiencing, you know, burnout,
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Speaker 2: the clinical of burnout. But it also was a real
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Speaker 2: huh Like. It was a real sort of moment of
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Speaker 2: revelation for me because I realized that I was becoming
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Speaker 2: quite successful and I was achieving results, but I was
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Speaker 2: not liking who I was in the process, and that
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Speaker 2: I really looked around and thought, there's no one here
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Speaker 2: to model myself on as a leader. You know, I'm
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Speaker 2: making this up as I go along, and I'm really
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Speaker 2: just copying what I see around me and what seems
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Speaker 2: to be accepted. But what is accepted isn't what I
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Speaker 2: want to be. So that was sort of the start
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Speaker 2: of me thinking more critically about leadership and you know,
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Speaker 2: balancing ourselves out and working from then. You know, I
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Speaker 2: got the James Bond job and I was there, ended
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Speaker 2: up being there for six years. I was back in
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Speaker 2: the US, and I still am in the U. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I still have my business in the US, but the
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Speaker 2: sort of shift to me was when I had this
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Speaker 2: great job and I'd sort of hit the peak of
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Speaker 2: like what I wanted to do as an entertainment lawyer.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't like to tell people, you know, when
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Speaker 2: I met them. I always at parties that I was
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Speaker 2: a lawyer. Even though it was a cool job, it
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Speaker 2: didn't it reflected who I am or who I wanted
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Speaker 2: to be. And so I realized, even though I had
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Speaker 2: become more purposeful, I had become more successful, I had
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Speaker 2: been developing myself as a better leader, I still wasn't
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Speaker 2: truly living my purpose. I wasn't truly satisfied. I was
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Speaker 2: successful and happy, but I wasn't really really content. And
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Speaker 2: I felt like I could do more. I felt like
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Speaker 2: if I was really doing the thing I wanted to do,
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Speaker 2: I would be more fulfilled and more content. And that's
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Speaker 2: sort of what led me to coaching. Married a lot
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Speaker 2: of my interests, like I wanted to do more creative work.
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Speaker 2: I love to communicate, I wanted to be of service
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Speaker 2: to others, and like work and careers, I'd noticed after
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Speaker 2: twenty odd years working globally, like I'd noticed how much
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Speaker 2: of a significant role at plays in all of our lives.
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Speaker 2: Because it's so tied to our identity. Our work identity
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Speaker 2: is so much part of who we are and our ego. Right,
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Speaker 2: So it's sort of it's a valuable seem to be interrogating.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't just happen. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I read your ebook by the way, Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And one of I was going through in one of
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Speaker 1: the notes I had in there, was you made this statement.
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Speaker 1: It says, the deeper the career enmeshment, the greater risk
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Speaker 1: of depression, burnout, anxiety when something shifts. And I think
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Speaker 1: what you're getting at is like sometimes we just we
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Speaker 1: just kind of drift into these things and then not
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Speaker 1: really intentional. I mean you kind of you were intentional,
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Speaker 1: but I mean it's like, oh, I should be I
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Speaker 1: should be.
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Speaker 3: Doing this.
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Speaker 1: And and and like you said, then you look, you
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Speaker 1: kind of looked up and you're like, I really am
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Speaker 1: not really, Yes, it gives me quote unquote success, maybe
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Speaker 1: financially by the world standards, or maybe it seems glamorous
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Speaker 1: or something like that, but it's is it really, like
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Speaker 1: you said, living in your true purpose?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, and I'm glad
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Speaker 1: you're recognizing this. You know at this point you're because
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Speaker 1: there's some people that don't recognize us till much later
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Speaker 1: on in life, and they look back and they're like, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm not really out of or really happy with even
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Speaker 1: where my life is now, right, Yeah, And.
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, and I think our innate values
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Speaker 2: and purpose are probably always there, but the manifestation and
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Speaker 2: what that looks like can change. So, you know, I
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Speaker 2: think that the career as a choose your own adventure.
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Speaker 2: It's an evolution, right. It's not like one thing and
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Speaker 2: that's it. So it's not like I want people hearing
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Speaker 2: this to be like, oh my gosh, I'm not doing
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Speaker 2: my thing and that's it. No, like it's it's more.
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Speaker 2: I just encourage people to be more conscious about things,
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Speaker 2: you know, more intent about things because that and that
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Speaker 2: includes leadership, right, you know, going back to your point
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Speaker 2: about the next generation at work, I think that we're
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Speaker 2: I think I think when you are let's say, living
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Speaker 2: your purpose for lack of a better way putting it, right, like,
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Speaker 2: when you are living for a purpose, you are going
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Speaker 2: to be showing up as a better leader because I
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Speaker 2: believe that it's such a reflection of who you are.
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Speaker 2: It's so much more values driven. Right, you are thinking
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Speaker 2: consciously and intentionally about how do I want to be
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Speaker 2: showing the world, you know, who I am in my responses,
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Speaker 2: in my actions, in my behavior. You know, like why
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Speaker 2: does this trigger me so much? Oh? This sort of
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Speaker 2: violates some of my values or boundaries or so you
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Speaker 2: sort of inevitably become a more thoughtful leader. And a
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Speaker 2: more thoughtful leader is a more positive leader. So that's
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Speaker 2: why I think the purpose thing is so tied to leadership.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: This is something that you know, I feel like when
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Speaker 1: we connected, you know, with my company Stearge, your businesses
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Speaker 1: is really leveraging the teams and the organization, and it
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Speaker 1: leverages on what you're doing. Because if you're not clear
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Speaker 1: on this and appreciating who you are and how you're
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Speaker 1: showing up and you try to be something else for
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Speaker 1: somebody else, it's going to be harder to work with
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Speaker 1: everybody right the team to be successful.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And also like you'll learn leadership principles or you'll
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Speaker 2: go to a leadership training bit it's really hard to
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Speaker 2: apply things if you don't really understand why, Like how
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Speaker 2: do I explain that better? Like to understand the sort
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Speaker 2: of it's all very well to be like be positive,
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Speaker 2: right yeah, but like if I'm not feeling positive today,
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Speaker 2: how do I be positive? And like, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: about emotional regulation and that comes from self when you know.
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Speaker 2: So there's all this work is foundational work that's so
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Speaker 2: important because that's when you can really embody all of
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Speaker 2: those leadership principles and sort of understand how to use
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Speaker 2: them as tools, not just say something that you read
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Speaker 2: in a textbook.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we're going to get into a little bit
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Speaker 1: of I really like your your your framework that we're
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Speaker 1: going to get into a little bit about your air
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Speaker 1: framework for modern leadership because.
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Speaker 3: I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: It's like say, you know, once you you know what's
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Speaker 1: positive quote unquote for one person might be different than
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Speaker 1: another person, and so you have to understand that. And
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Speaker 1: so just saying these things without having and that that's
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Speaker 1: what I love about having you Manlin as.
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Speaker 3: A career coach.
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to read something in a book or
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Speaker 1: watch a v It's another thing to actually come abs
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Speaker 1: them by and app you actually implement this, incorporate this
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Speaker 1: into your life, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean everything helped.
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Speaker 3: So even if you're just faster. You're gonna go faster, right,
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Speaker 3: But I mean I.
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Speaker 2: Always equated a bit to like a coach at the gym.
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Speaker 2: Like I know how to exercise. I've been moving my
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Speaker 2: whole life. I technically know how to lift away. But
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Speaker 2: I like having a coach or a trainer because they
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Speaker 2: check my form, they motivate me to go harder, They
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Speaker 2: you know, correct me. They tell me I'm going to
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Speaker 2: do it today, even if I don't want to do it.
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Speaker 2: Like that's what the train is for. Right. It's not
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Speaker 2: necessarily I don't know the stuff they're going to tell me,
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Speaker 2: but they're going to make you know, they're going to
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Speaker 2: course correct, they're going to guide me, they're going to
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Speaker 2: let me see things differently, and they're going to motivate me. Right,
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Speaker 2: That's what a coach does.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah. Absolutely. So you know, you came up
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Speaker 1: with this framework, which you call the air airframework, and
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Speaker 1: I'll let you explain it a little bit, because you know,
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Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a it's a brilliant way
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Speaker 1: of just helping people see things differently and coaching them
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Speaker 1: along the way and kind of to the to the
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Speaker 1: problem that you're you're you're bringing up living your purpose
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Speaker 1: and having really impact, So you know, yeah, this is
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Speaker 1: a lot and I see a lot of people struggling
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Speaker 1: with that. And I'm not just talking gen zs and millennials.
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Speaker 1: I see older folks mid career, later career. They're they're
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Speaker 1: like trying to figure out, like, what what do I
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Speaker 1: want to do with the next part of my life,
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Speaker 1: the next journey of my life. So if you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: mind just kind of helping us unpack this framework that
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Speaker 1: you've you've developed and and and don't worry. At the
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Speaker 1: end of this the this this podcast, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: provide links and all those things to get to Madeline's
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Speaker 1: website and find these resources. But would you mind just
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Speaker 1: sharing us a little bit about that formula that you
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Speaker 1: came up with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure. So the format, as you said, is AAR
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Speaker 2: and it stands for Alignment, Influence and Resilient. And I
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Speaker 2: developed I mean it's I developed it because it's how
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Speaker 2: I ended up approaching my own career. But it was
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Speaker 2: also informed, like I said, through a couple of days,
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Speaker 2: decades of global work where I observed a lot of
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Speaker 2: people in different industries, from different backgrounds doing different types
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Speaker 2: of work. So it's not like one cookie cutter kind
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Speaker 2: of person I was looking at. Wasn't just looking at
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Speaker 2: lawyers for example, right in all ranges of industry from
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Speaker 2: all nationalities, and I noticed that there was sort of
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Speaker 2: similar like through lines in all of it and everybody.
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Speaker 2: And what I observed and believe is that everybody wanted
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Speaker 2: to feel work that sorry, everybody wanted to be doing
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Speaker 2: work that felt meaningful to them. That's projective right like again,
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Speaker 2: So that's the sort of purpose part. Everybody wants to
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Speaker 2: feel acknowledged for that work. That's the influence of the industry.
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Speaker 2: And then everybody wants to feel that they're making the
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Speaker 2: best decisions about either their future or within the workplace
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Speaker 2: right and has the confidence in their decision making ability.
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Speaker 2: And that's the sort of resilience part. So that's how
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Speaker 2: I kind of created it. So basically, we look at alignment,
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Speaker 2: as I said before, as the foundation of everything. It's
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Speaker 2: a foundation of you are going to show up. It's
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Speaker 2: the foundation of how you argue, you know, how you
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Speaker 2: approach your conversation, the decisions you make, you know, understanding
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Speaker 2: if the decisions are really aligned with what you want.
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Speaker 2: All of those things So the alignment piece is really
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Speaker 2: uncovering what really matters to you by aligning, bylinning your values,
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Speaker 2: your skills, and interest, and that is then what gets
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Speaker 2: you towards, you know, really getting clear up on your purpose.
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Speaker 2: Some people call it their mission, you know, mission statement,
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Speaker 2: what they say, a brand purpose or mission, because that
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Speaker 2: really helps you define your purpose. But therefore your it
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Speaker 2: helps you set meaningful goals. So I use that example
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Speaker 2: of me deciding to become an entertainment lawyer and you know,
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Speaker 2: driving my way there and that was a goal, and
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Speaker 2: it wasn't a bad goal, but it wasn't actually, at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, the most meaningful, relevant goal
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Speaker 2: to me as a human. It was just, you know,
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Speaker 2: I've sort of done the first bit of alignment, but
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Speaker 2: as I evolved in my career as a human, I
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Speaker 2: got deeper and that's when I'm coach slash entrepreneur. So
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Speaker 2: that's the alignment piece, and that's all that work we
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Speaker 2: do together to find that alignment really helps you create
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Speaker 2: a strong personal brand. And personal branding is probably a
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Speaker 2: new word, and I'm sure there's lots of people that
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Speaker 2: don't like it, and I get it, but like I
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Speaker 2: really see a personal brand as like the extension of
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Speaker 2: your yourself, like your authentic self and that and that
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Speaker 2: personal brand is then what you take into the world
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Speaker 2: and you you you know, it's your unique presence, right like,
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Speaker 2: and I talk about brand, your personal brand as how
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Speaker 2: you influence and you know, I in my workshops and seminars,
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Speaker 2: I talk a lot about how the origins of the
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Speaker 2: word influence actually come from a Latin route meaning to
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Speaker 2: flow in and actually referred to a celestial fluid flowing
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Speaker 2: in from the stars into humans to affect their destiny.
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Speaker 2: Very profound. But I was like, well, that's interesting, it's
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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's origins actually mean like, you know,
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Speaker 2: into humans to affect their destiny. Like it's an extension
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Speaker 2: of self. So when you're influencing people, you're presenting your
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Speaker 2: true authentic self and all your authentic and skills. It's
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Speaker 2: not about manipulating or persuading people that you're something something
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Speaker 2: you're not. So that is why the alignment piece is
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Speaker 2: so important in order to get more influence, right. So
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Speaker 2: from there, and then of course there's there's skills building
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Speaker 2: stuff you can you can learn about like the you know,
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Speaker 2: psychology of persuasion and certain like rhetoric skills and communications,
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Speaker 2: because that's huge. I look a lot at the communications matrix,
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Speaker 2: like assertive communication, passive, but even understanding assertive communication. At
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Speaker 2: the root of being of assertive communication is you know,
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Speaker 2: the belief that your rights, interests and needs available. If
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Speaker 2: you don't have the stronger line I meant, sometimes you
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Speaker 2: don't know what your rights, interests and needs are right.
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Speaker 2: So all of this stuff feeds into each other. So
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Speaker 2: that's why I say alignment, and then that's how you
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Speaker 2: can generally start to influence them. From influence, obviously, you
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Speaker 2: can have greater impact. And then along the way, you're
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Speaker 2: showing up differently. You're managing difficult conversations better. You know,
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Speaker 2: you're understanding what triggers you, you're hopefully advocating more. You
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Speaker 2: know all of these things that you do and you repeat.
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Speaker 2: That's what starts to build resilience, right. You start to
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Speaker 2: be able to take bigger risks, to be able to
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Speaker 2: understand that you're going to have self doubt but believe
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Speaker 2: that you can do it anyway. So that's how you
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Speaker 2: sort of strengthen those muscles of like resilience. And that's
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Speaker 2: sort of put together.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you went through it quickly, but there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of great information in there, and the way
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Speaker 1: they think about it I really like. And if you
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Speaker 1: like each stage or each it's a foundation, like right,
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Speaker 1: each one builds on each other. So you can't build
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Speaker 1: the resilience without the influence. Then that comes from the
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Speaker 1: alignment and in you know, getting and I don't know
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Speaker 1: about you, Madeline. For me, this alignment is a refinement process.
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Speaker 1: It's like getting clear in over time, really appreciating my
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Speaker 1: values and so that really helps guide me. And I
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Speaker 1: found people just to your point about the influence, like
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're not you're not clear about what
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Speaker 1: your alignment is and you're trying to influence people showing
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Speaker 1: up inauthentically, it's you're not really going to have that
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Speaker 1: great of influence. You're not going to have that great
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Speaker 1: of impact because it's built. It's coming, like you said,
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Speaker 1: on this foundation of its rocky, shaky of alignment and
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Speaker 1: your values and how you're showing up and definitely resilience,
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Speaker 1: you're going to probably crumble under pressure, right because you're
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Speaker 1: just like, oh man, this is this is hard to do.
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Speaker 2: And I think that sort of makes a really important point,
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Speaker 2: Like when when you and I had talking about influence,
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Speaker 2: we're not talking about success or power because you're going
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Speaker 2: to have power without real influence. I'm mean to look
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Speaker 2: at our laters today. That power, but I wouldn't say
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Speaker 2: comes from a strong place of alignment or even you know,
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Speaker 2: self acceptance. Right. So the sort of influence I'm talking about,
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Speaker 2: and I know you are as well, is that extension,
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Speaker 2: that solid sense of self, right, that's self belief that
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Speaker 2: you have something of value, that you are powerful, and
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Speaker 2: that what you have a value is important and good
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Speaker 2: for the world, whatever it might be. You know, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be saving the planet, it can be anything.
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Speaker 2: But you know, to really believe that in yourself, that
18:27
Speaker 2: is that is that is the greatest source of power
18:29
Speaker 2: we can have. And that is also what I think, Yes,
18:32
Speaker 2: when I'm talking about resilience, I'm talking about healthy emotional resilience,
18:36
Speaker 2: not just grit and pain. You know, there is a
18:39
Speaker 2: little bit of grit and there is a little bit
18:40
Speaker 2: of pain that goes into developing resilience, but it's that
18:43
Speaker 2: kind of again, it's a it's a beautiful place of
18:46
Speaker 2: self acceptance where you're like I love this one where
18:49
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm scared and there are risks in doing this,
18:52
Speaker 2: but I'm going to do it anyway. To me, that's
18:54
Speaker 2: the true resilience.
18:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, in you in your book, you have some great
18:58
Speaker 1: key studies. I'm trying to go back. It was like
19:00
Speaker 1: with Jasmine and Alex and Maria. There's some other new
19:02
Speaker 1: ones in there, but you know, you know, talk about
19:05
Speaker 1: like what are you seeing right now in particularly in
19:08
Speaker 1: gen Z's or millennials that are coming into the workforce.
19:11
Speaker 1: You're seeing and that their their their mindsets, are limitations
19:14
Speaker 1: that they're they're they're struggling with and kind of speak
19:17
Speaker 1: to that and where you've you've guided them.
19:21
Speaker 2: So a lot of the I mean, I have a
19:25
Speaker 2: big following through social media, you know, so I interact
19:29
Speaker 2: with a lot of younger people that might have had
19:31
Speaker 2: obviously gen Z millennial clients, So I have the sort
19:35
Speaker 2: of anecdotal stories to tell, I guess, but also there's
19:40
Speaker 2: a lot of studies out there, you know. Every year,
19:42
Speaker 2: McKinley Deloitte do a sort of like State of the
19:46
Speaker 2: Union on like where we are in the world. So
19:49
Speaker 2: a lot of this is backed up by the data
19:51
Speaker 2: as well, right, so I think, you know, to set
19:55
Speaker 2: the scene, I think it's important to note that gen
19:58
Speaker 2: Z in particular because millennials are rarely you know, millennials
20:03
Speaker 2: can be like forty plus now, like so when I
20:04
Speaker 2: say millennials, ze millennials and thinking about like slightly younger
20:07
Speaker 2: millennial millennials maybe like twenty five year olds, thirty five
20:10
Speaker 2: year olds. So the gen Z really entered the workforce
20:15
Speaker 2: in a very unique time because they possibly finished or
20:17
Speaker 2: they probably finished their schooling online, they possibly completed part
20:23
Speaker 2: of their college online, and they possibly started work remotely,
20:27
Speaker 2: right like now, maybe they had a bit, they've done
20:29
Speaker 2: some they've done some portion of that remotely, which is unique.
20:33
Speaker 2: Like remotely was not you had offshore people, but remote
20:38
Speaker 2: work was not a thing when I was coming up,
20:41
Speaker 2: not even really that much before the pandemic. Right, So
20:44
Speaker 2: that alone, and then and then you know, schooling online,
20:49
Speaker 2: college online. I mean, they are very formative years and
20:51
Speaker 2: to have had those sort of transformed in that way,
20:55
Speaker 2: I think can be quite impacting. And I think that
20:58
Speaker 2: they therefore have had a lot of anxiety and also
21:03
Speaker 2: sort of not the same opportunities to develop a lot
21:06
Speaker 2: of those interpersonal skills that we all needed to develop
21:09
Speaker 2: pretty quickly at work. And so I think that, you know,
21:13
Speaker 2: there's a sort of like confluence of like what gen
21:16
Speaker 2: z are coming in with and then what the workplaces
21:20
Speaker 2: are experiencing of gen zs. So I think from the
21:23
Speaker 2: workplace perspective, there's this sense that gen z aren't necessarily
21:27
Speaker 2: work ready. They lack professional of them. They definitely, you know,
21:32
Speaker 2: I mean there's a sort of cliche, but they just
21:33
Speaker 2: don't like to pick up the phone and call someone,
21:35
Speaker 2: you know, so like for sales jobs or client jobs,
21:39
Speaker 2: like that's problems, right, And I think that that's probably
21:42
Speaker 2: true for the reasons I said, you know, I don't
21:44
Speaker 2: say that to degnize young people. I think that's probably
21:47
Speaker 2: very true. I think where it gets a bit complicated
21:52
Speaker 2: is that there's this sense that they don't want to
21:55
Speaker 2: work as hard and that they are entitled will have,
22:00
Speaker 2: you know, grand expectations for how fast they should move up.
22:04
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, again I can't we're
22:07
Speaker 2: talking in generalizations here. I think that they are coming
22:11
Speaker 2: with different expectations about what work should right, and I
22:15
Speaker 2: think those expectations can be very challenging, particularly if they're
22:18
Speaker 2: not like great at professional skills and then they want
22:24
Speaker 2: to move up quickly, like there's a real kind of
22:26
Speaker 2: like but that's that's almost like an educational role that
22:31
Speaker 2: workplaces have to fill many expectations, whereas in the past
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't think they did so much because it wasn't
22:38
Speaker 2: there wasn't such a gap in expectations. So I think
22:41
Speaker 2: that places are having to treat gen zs differently because
22:47
Speaker 2: of their unique entrance to the workforce, and I think
22:49
Speaker 2: that's where the tension lies. They it's very easy to
22:52
Speaker 2: just say, oh, they're just this and I hate hiring them, right,
22:56
Speaker 2: It's like, well, there may be a few of those
22:59
Speaker 2: things actually, and some of the things they're ask people
23:01
Speaker 2: may not be that bad. Some of those things might
23:03
Speaker 2: be not not quite possible. You are going to have
23:06
Speaker 2: to work a little bit harder to integrate them into
23:09
Speaker 2: the workforce.
23:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think it's important for business
23:13
Speaker 1: owners to hear this. You know why we have the
23:15
Speaker 1: Business round People podcasts because we want to be able
23:18
Speaker 1: to reach business owners and not just individuals, but business
23:20
Speaker 1: owners here like you Maddel and say, look, I can
23:23
Speaker 1: work with your organization or work with your individuals, but
23:25
Speaker 1: also as you and I both have talked about collaborating
23:28
Speaker 1: and finding a space to help because this is the
23:30
Speaker 1: really important So two, it's too it's both the business owner,
23:33
Speaker 1: like what I hear you saying, you know that the
23:36
Speaker 1: company's responsibility and the employee the individual coming in is
23:41
Speaker 1: both right too, it's something one or the other duel track.
23:45
Speaker 2: And I think you know, everybody that starts work, every
23:48
Speaker 2: generation starts work not knowing stuff, right, So there's the
23:52
Speaker 2: usual things that people need to skill up into there.
23:56
Speaker 2: But I think that there is a greater skills deficit
23:59
Speaker 2: with this generation. I do. I think they feel it too,
24:03
Speaker 2: and they do have some different expectations of what work is.
24:06
Speaker 2: Like the job for life thing has gone out the window, right,
24:10
Speaker 2: the work life balance whatever that means, like the hours,
24:13
Speaker 2: you know, what they believe should be like the work
24:16
Speaker 2: way is different. And sometimes I really encourage, like if
24:22
Speaker 2: I'm working with companies on sort of into generational leadership,
24:26
Speaker 2: I really encourage them to just stop rather than reacting
24:30
Speaker 2: and go, okay, is what they're asking for? So different
24:34
Speaker 2: from what I would have liked myself when I started working,
24:37
Speaker 2: you know, like because they are going to challenge the
24:41
Speaker 2: status called work. But they are also going to be
24:45
Speaker 2: when I say they gen Z millennials are going to
24:47
Speaker 2: be seventy percent of the workforce by twenty thirty. So
24:52
Speaker 2: you could say, oh, it's like okay, but they're going
24:54
Speaker 2: to be the dominant piece of work, right, So some
24:58
Speaker 2: of the they're challenging, I think we're going to have
25:00
Speaker 2: to really uh keep an open mind to around like
25:05
Speaker 2: work life balance, hours on blah blah blah blah. Other
25:08
Speaker 2: things that you know. Equally alarming is like they are
25:11
Speaker 2: going to be seventy percent of the workforce and they
25:12
Speaker 2: need to be sealed up for the long jefkey and
25:15
Speaker 2: succession of companies. We need them to be good people
25:19
Speaker 2: people like they need to have MOLY. And that's where
25:23
Speaker 2: I really think, like what you and I do in
25:25
Speaker 2: terms of like getting that leadership development training going is
25:28
Speaker 2: very important because they are behind in certain ways, and right,
25:34
Speaker 2: technology has not helped out in the first It's made
25:37
Speaker 2: as connected, but it hasn't helped our other interpersonal skills.
25:40
Speaker 1: Now I agree we're more quote unquote connected, like you said,
25:43
Speaker 1: but actually being able to communicate effectively, you know, it's
25:48
Speaker 1: not there.
25:48
Speaker 3: I literally just got.
25:49
Speaker 1: Like I was telling you right before we started recording
25:51
Speaker 1: this podcast, I was doing another episode with two business
25:53
Speaker 1: owners and they would actually even say, you know, come
25:58
Speaker 1: come talk to me, in interact with me the business
26:01
Speaker 1: business olders. But the other for their own stories wouldn't
26:04
Speaker 1: do that and they would just have stories as well.
26:06
Speaker 1: They're they're the business owner, they're too busy, they don't
26:08
Speaker 1: really care about me. And then nobody's talking, you know,
26:11
Speaker 1: and it's like right, and so now everybody goes to
26:13
Speaker 1: their corner and that's that's not helpful.
26:16
Speaker 2: No, an if they're online, they just shut down their
26:19
Speaker 2: laptop and it's done. Like you don't even have to
26:21
Speaker 2: see people, right, So you've got to be more effort to.
26:25
Speaker 2: I mean, some people don't ever see in real life
26:28
Speaker 2: the people they work with. How do you create collaborative
26:31
Speaker 2: teams when you're remote. That's a big problem.
26:34
Speaker 3: It's a really big problem.
26:35
Speaker 1: I mean there's not a one size fits all, you know,
26:39
Speaker 1: Like the one business owner I was talking, and she
26:40
Speaker 1: meets with their team in person once a month, okay,
26:43
Speaker 1: because they're not all on an office or whatever. That
26:45
Speaker 1: looks like whatever. It's different for every company, but you've
26:48
Speaker 1: got to be intentional, not accidental, right in the way
26:51
Speaker 1: that you're doing this. And and I think oftentimes business owners,
26:54
Speaker 1: particularly even maybe you know, if you're leading anym you're
26:56
Speaker 1: getting overwhelmed. And that's why I like having somebody like
26:59
Speaker 1: you're a Madeline. You can come in and say, look,
27:01
Speaker 1: I can help you and take some of the lift
27:03
Speaker 1: off of you. Is I can't take all of it away,
27:06
Speaker 1: but I can certainly help you and your team. And
27:09
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so important to think and
27:11
Speaker 1: look outside of your own kind of understanding and just
27:14
Speaker 1: as just as you are a gen Z or Millennia like,
27:17
Speaker 1: oh well this is just what my friends say. Everything, well,
27:19
Speaker 1: think and look look beyond yourself, bringing other people to
27:21
Speaker 1: help you along the journey and give you a different
27:23
Speaker 1: perspective and equip you.
27:25
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And there's a dual sort of
27:31
Speaker 2: I guess outcome that you if you do invest in
27:35
Speaker 2: that kind of you know, what works quite well with
27:38
Speaker 2: gen zs is group stuff, right, like they kind of
27:41
Speaker 2: like to be connected in that way. So you can
27:42
Speaker 2: do really affective group coaching, and you can teach some
27:46
Speaker 2: really practical things, right, you can teach complic resolution, you
27:52
Speaker 2: can teach like sounds so silly, but how to like
27:55
Speaker 2: pick up a phone and talk to people, not like
27:57
Speaker 2: how to pick up a phone, but like how to
27:58
Speaker 2: start off conversation. You can do each What was the
28:02
Speaker 2: thing I was going to say that was super important
28:04
Speaker 2: that they struggle with I can't remember anyway, but you know,
28:07
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that you can do in
28:09
Speaker 2: that sort of group coaching environment. But the benefit to
28:13
Speaker 2: companies is not only that you are getting more proactive
28:17
Speaker 2: engage professional stuff. They like that cohort. Particularly the gen
28:23
Speaker 2: Z always say in all of the studies and surveys
28:27
Speaker 2: that they want to feel that somebody is invested in
28:30
Speaker 2: their career development. They don't feel that they have that investment.
28:33
Speaker 2: So if you give them these learning opportunities for skills that,
28:36
Speaker 2: like you said, a kind of their responsibility, they not
28:41
Speaker 2: only do they thrive, they also feel valued, right like, oh,
28:46
Speaker 2: I'm getting you know, people care about my development as
28:48
Speaker 2: a leader, like they care about my career development, and
28:50
Speaker 2: that that's great for organizations. I mean, that's great for attention,
28:55
Speaker 2: that's great for engagement, productivity, all of those things.
28:57
Speaker 1: So absolutely, yeah, when you're intentional about these things, I
29:02
Speaker 1: kind of look at five key areas you're talking about
29:04
Speaker 1: how we communicate with each other, you know, how what
29:08
Speaker 1: are our relationships look like?
29:09
Speaker 3: What's the trust that we have with each other?
29:11
Speaker 1: Right, and that all contributes to the ability for you know,
29:15
Speaker 1: how we execute our execute and increase our capacity to
29:18
Speaker 1: take on you know, more things. And you know, so
29:21
Speaker 1: these are just some of the areas I look at,
29:22
Speaker 1: and I and and I think the business owners, at
29:25
Speaker 1: least the ones I work with and talk with, are
29:27
Speaker 1: you know, or some of the ones they realize when
29:30
Speaker 1: they hire somebody like yourself or myself, it's an investment
29:33
Speaker 1: because they know that there's a real cost of losing
29:37
Speaker 1: people and all the tire, the time it takes to
29:40
Speaker 1: train them to get them up to speed.
29:41
Speaker 3: Right, If the.
29:43
Speaker 1: Law every every day, every week, every month, that they
29:47
Speaker 1: keep them longer and engaged, the better the company will grow.
29:51
Speaker 1: All everybody went wins together. But if they're not doing that,
29:54
Speaker 1: you know that intentional, it can be very costly.
29:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ye, Actually, I mean there's some articles out there
30:02
Speaker 2: that say certain companies are not hiring people under twenty seven.
30:09
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's really a sustainable hiring practice,
30:12
Speaker 2: given you know, if you do, Like, first of all,
30:15
Speaker 2: you need labor, but secondly, like if you're not hiring them,
30:19
Speaker 2: you're also missing out on the things they bring. So
30:22
Speaker 2: I think that you know, because technology is changing so rapidly,
30:26
Speaker 2: obviously AI can't ever do a podcast, so that mentioning AI, right,
30:30
Speaker 2: you need a young workforce to be nimble, really do
30:35
Speaker 2: so you know, you can't just exclude them from the workforce.
30:39
Speaker 1: No, I mean, and like you mentioned earlier, okay, even
30:43
Speaker 1: if they're not going to spend their lifelong career at
30:45
Speaker 1: your company. Okay, Honestly, the life cycle of many companies
30:49
Speaker 1: is not that it's not decades.
30:52
Speaker 3: You know that companies are getting.
30:54
Speaker 1: Around for decades, right, But are they with you the
30:56
Speaker 1: journey of the company five, ten, fifteen years? I mean possibly,
31:01
Speaker 1: and if you can keep them and have them involved.
31:02
Speaker 1: And I think some of the some of the companies
31:06
Speaker 1: that have been that have actually been successful longer, they
31:08
Speaker 1: have people that were like literally from the ground up.
31:10
Speaker 1: They became in very entry level, right, and they moved
31:13
Speaker 1: their way up to the company because they understood they
31:15
Speaker 1: aligned themselves in a good way obviously it was a
31:18
Speaker 1: good fit, and became a high level leader. Maybe even
31:20
Speaker 1: the president or CEO at some point, and they started
31:23
Speaker 1: off at a very low level thing. So as if
31:26
Speaker 1: you're clear on this and you can find alignment, like
31:29
Speaker 1: you said, with number your values and then find that
31:33
Speaker 1: with the company and you guys can weave that together,
31:35
Speaker 1: is a win.
31:36
Speaker 3: It's a win win. Yeah.
31:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that every gen Z
31:42
Speaker 2: wants to be jumping companies to you, it's just that
31:45
Speaker 2: they're more likely to do it if they're unhappy.
31:48
Speaker 1: Well, and I think companies like to your point, just
31:52
Speaker 1: as you're we're saying the individual needs to be looking
31:54
Speaker 1: at this, I would say you apply that same you know,
31:57
Speaker 1: air model to the company itself. Is the company clear
32:01
Speaker 1: on its alignment right? And what is trying to influence
32:05
Speaker 1: because we see companies that don't you know, if they
32:08
Speaker 1: are if that's off right, their messaging doesn't doesn't. Like
32:12
Speaker 1: you said, you can be in places of power for
32:15
Speaker 1: different reasons, and people can take a power by aggression
32:19
Speaker 1: and other things, but it doesn't it's not sustainable over
32:22
Speaker 1: I don't see it sustainable.
32:24
Speaker 3: Something with Greg.
32:25
Speaker 2: Right, the sustainability and that's I mean I should have
32:28
Speaker 2: mentioned that, but exactly the whole Air framework is about
32:31
Speaker 2: sustainable success because like because again I was successful, but
32:36
Speaker 2: to me, it wasn't sustainable. Well, at one point it
32:38
Speaker 2: wasn't sustainable because I was going to burn out. Then
32:40
Speaker 2: I for all of that, and you know, did that
32:43
Speaker 2: kind of work, became a better leader, became more thoughtful,
32:45
Speaker 2: understood more about how to manage people and work with people,
32:48
Speaker 2: and then but then it wasn't sustainable because it didn't
32:52
Speaker 2: feel really aligned. So and I think, you know, missile,
32:56
Speaker 2: and that's it's actually really interesting. I was reading something
32:59
Speaker 2: in Forbes the other day. There's a study that's been
33:01
Speaker 2: done on what they're calling misalignment burnout. So you may
33:06
Speaker 2: not be burnt out at work for the normal reasons
33:09
Speaker 2: we think of, but when you don't feel you have
33:11
Speaker 2: that purpose and it doesn't feel aligned, you can feel
33:16
Speaker 2: burnt out over a long period of time because having
33:19
Speaker 2: a sense of purpose is so important for cognitive and
33:22
Speaker 2: mental health. I mean, they literally work with Alzheimer's patients
33:25
Speaker 2: on purpose. Right, So misalignment burnout is a growing cause
33:32
Speaker 2: of burnout, but it's a silent cause, right because it
33:35
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily present itself in the same ways as other faults.
33:38
Speaker 3: Burn out.
33:39
Speaker 1: No that's that's actually a great observation, Melan. I one
33:44
Speaker 1: hundred percent agree with what I've gone to talk with
33:48
Speaker 1: my alma mater college, and I hear people going and
33:51
Speaker 1: getting a technical skill because, like you said, well, I
33:53
Speaker 1: guess that's what I should be. I should be a scientist.
33:55
Speaker 1: I should be a doctor, or I should be a
33:57
Speaker 1: lawyer that's what my parents said, or I should be
33:59
Speaker 1: that's what my call true kind of embraces.
34:01
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I should be.
34:03
Speaker 1: And they go and they spend all this money, and
34:06
Speaker 1: they spend all this time, and then they're not clear
34:10
Speaker 1: truly on what, like you said, their purpose. A great
34:13
Speaker 1: book I read years ago was Start with Why by
34:15
Speaker 1: Simon Sinek, with this idea, what is your why? And
34:18
Speaker 1: it's hard, in my experience, Madeline, to articulate that, just
34:23
Speaker 1: like if I just asked you cold and you never
34:25
Speaker 1: spent any time work doing this, it's very difficult the
34:28
Speaker 1: way our brains work to actually articulate that. It takes
34:31
Speaker 1: real work with something like yourself, Mandeline, to help get
34:35
Speaker 1: you know, refine this kind of rough idea or thought
34:39
Speaker 1: and like get it clear, more pointed and present, and
34:42
Speaker 1: once you can do that, you can cut through the
34:45
Speaker 1: other opportunities. So if there's something that says to like,
34:48
Speaker 1: you know, legally, like like I work with lawyers a lot, Madeline,
34:51
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate them.
34:53
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a lawyer. I know, I'm
34:54
Speaker 3: not a lawyer.
34:55
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at every little word and every nuance
34:57
Speaker 1: and like, you know, that just drives me crazy, But
35:01
Speaker 1: I know the value of it. It's very important, right
35:04
Speaker 1: and so you know, then we can use that as
35:07
Speaker 1: a filter for the opportunities and things before.
35:11
Speaker 3: So you're like that would be great for you, but
35:12
Speaker 3: not for me, right, yeah.
35:14
Speaker 2: And I think also, like I don't want people listening
35:18
Speaker 2: to think that having a sense of purpose means you're
35:20
Speaker 2: going to quit your job. It's having a sense of
35:23
Speaker 2: purpose is find purpose in the work you do, Like
35:25
Speaker 2: it needs and that's the company like it needs to
35:27
Speaker 2: feel tied to something meaningful that the company is doing,
35:30
Speaker 2: you know, something that's rewarded or when success is a
35:33
Speaker 2: one there's like acknowledgment of that, you know, like you
35:35
Speaker 2: that's sort of the second observation I made. Everyone wants
35:38
Speaker 2: to feel acknowledged for the work they do. Like purpose
35:40
Speaker 2: can be small not everybody's out there with this big,
35:44
Speaker 2: like dramatic sense of my purpose, you know, purposes like
35:48
Speaker 2: some people, I want to turn up. I want to
35:50
Speaker 2: feel like I'm acknowledged for these tasks and I like
35:53
Speaker 2: doing these technical tasks, and I want to work with
35:55
Speaker 2: people to have a good team rapport and you know,
35:57
Speaker 2: and I want to feel so that is enough, right,
36:00
Speaker 2: Like so I think it's not Purpose can kind of
36:04
Speaker 2: get conflated with passion or you know. And sometimes they're aligned,
36:09
Speaker 2: and sorry I keep using the word aligned. Sometimes they're
36:11
Speaker 2: like entwined. But it doesn't need to be this big
36:16
Speaker 2: dramatic thing. It can just be I need to feel
36:18
Speaker 2: like my life as meaning through work, you know. And
36:24
Speaker 2: one other thing I was going to say, based on
36:26
Speaker 2: what you were saying there, is like when you if
36:30
Speaker 2: you spent if you work, if you got to think
36:32
Speaker 2: about your purpose early on in your career, because you
36:34
Speaker 2: might not know exactly what you can do when you're
36:38
Speaker 2: like twenty one twenty two, still doing that work is
36:41
Speaker 2: really valuable because it puts you in the driver's seat.
36:44
Speaker 2: I think I talk about that book like when you're
36:46
Speaker 2: in the driver's seat, you are making better decisions, informed
36:50
Speaker 2: decisions and you're able to sort of set meaningful goals.
36:53
Speaker 2: So you're just like your path to get there is
36:56
Speaker 2: sort of yours. You kind of know why you're doing it,
36:58
Speaker 2: and that helps you, I think, deal with some of
37:01
Speaker 2: the maindain mundane aspects of work. Right Like, sometimes even
37:07
Speaker 2: now I love what I do, there's boring bits to
37:09
Speaker 2: what I do. There's bits that I avoid, you know,
37:12
Speaker 2: there's bits that are draining. I'm not like with joy
37:16
Speaker 2: every single moment of my day, but I'm filled with contentedness. Right. So,
37:22
Speaker 2: you know, particularly early in your career, I think that
37:24
Speaker 2: you are going to have to go through some roles
37:26
Speaker 2: which aren't the end goal but there and so if
37:29
Speaker 2: you understand how they're on your path, you know, to
37:32
Speaker 2: get you there, it makes those earlier years or those
37:35
Speaker 2: less satisfying jobs more fulfilling, right, which I think is
37:42
Speaker 2: what I think that's important for gen Z and millennials
37:44
Speaker 2: to hear. You know, it's expectation setting, right like this
37:50
Speaker 2: every day is not going to be the best day
37:53
Speaker 2: of your life, and you have to get through some
37:55
Speaker 2: of the boring stuff to get where you want to go.
37:59
Speaker 2: But if you've done that purpose where if you've found
38:01
Speaker 2: that alignment, it's all going to be more meaningful for
38:03
Speaker 2: you and that helps you through the hard stuff.
38:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, there's always you know, I I say,
38:09
Speaker 1: you know, kind of getting to where you're in the
38:13
Speaker 1: majority of the time, like you said, you're living in
38:16
Speaker 1: that space of kind of your your genius. But there's
38:19
Speaker 1: other things we all have to do, you know, as businesses.
38:22
Speaker 1: Are things that doesn't get me super excited. Uh, you know,
38:25
Speaker 1: but I have to. I have to do them. But
38:27
Speaker 1: it's like if I can either you know, if I
38:30
Speaker 1: have to do them, learning like okay, how to do
38:33
Speaker 1: that as quickly as I can, or get it.
38:34
Speaker 3: Done and then move into the my my my main.
38:37
Speaker 3: I call it. You know, your your area of genius
38:39
Speaker 3: or you.
38:40
Speaker 1: Know, expertise, are where you are best to do, appreciating
38:44
Speaker 1: that or or bring other people into your team and
38:47
Speaker 1: understand that. I think that's again understanding, like you said earlier,
38:50
Speaker 1: your alignment and appreciating yourself, recognizing like you know where.
38:55
Speaker 3: You know.
38:56
Speaker 1: I don't have to be all the things. Sometimes I
38:58
Speaker 1: think everybody feels like they have to know all of
39:00
Speaker 1: these things and do all of them right. Well, and
39:03
Speaker 1: I know a lot of entrepreneurs. Actually they have to
39:07
Speaker 1: know every aspect of the business, and it's like, well, no,
39:11
Speaker 1: we're not experts on that. Maybe you shouldn't be doing
39:14
Speaker 1: HR and hiring. If your strength is really doing the
39:17
Speaker 1: presenting or visioning or whatever that might be, that's the
39:20
Speaker 1: main part where you should be, you know, get out
39:22
Speaker 1: of the minutia of that and let somebody else do
39:25
Speaker 1: that if that's really their alignment, that's what their passion is, right.
39:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean unfortunately, when you're like a solopreneur,
39:34
Speaker 2: you have to become an expert.
39:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it helps you work out. Okay. I don't like,
39:41
Speaker 2: I'm not going to beat myself up, but I'm not
39:42
Speaker 2: good at this right, Like, I'm just going to learn
39:45
Speaker 2: what I need and then get to the point where
39:46
Speaker 2: I can, like I said, delegated to someone that's better
39:49
Speaker 2: than me, and that's fine. I on the prize. I
39:52
Speaker 2: know what I'm heading towards, and I know what my
39:54
Speaker 2: skills are.
39:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I.
39:57
Speaker 1: Think I said this in the book are something like this,
40:01
Speaker 1: like about you know, when we're redefining success, so what
40:04
Speaker 1: does success looks like? It's not it's not lowering standards,
40:07
Speaker 1: it's it's getting clarity, right, it's getting what is really meaningful.
40:12
Speaker 1: And I think you know, the reason I loved having
40:15
Speaker 1: you on the podcast here as we're getting close to
40:16
Speaker 1: the end of the podcast is I, you know, Madeline,
40:18
Speaker 1: I think that there's so much synergy. And I talked
40:20
Speaker 1: about like, there's so much need out there right now,
40:24
Speaker 1: whether you're the you're the you're on the business end
40:26
Speaker 1: of it or where whether you're the individual listening to
40:29
Speaker 1: this and you're like, man, how do I figure out
40:32
Speaker 1: my way, navigate, way and way through this?
40:34
Speaker 3: Number One, you're not alone.
40:36
Speaker 1: A lot of people are dealing with this right and
40:38
Speaker 1: and number two, the reason why we do this podcast
40:41
Speaker 1: every week is that we can provide resources and point
40:44
Speaker 1: you in the right direction and and and connect you
40:46
Speaker 1: with somebody like Madeline.
40:48
Speaker 3: And so you know, Madeline, you.
40:50
Speaker 1: Know, as we're wrapping up, what would you just say, like,
40:52
Speaker 1: what are the you know, kind of key nuggets or
40:54
Speaker 1: takeaways that you want others to hear as we're we're
40:56
Speaker 1: you know, and your journey is coaching and guiding these
41:00
Speaker 1: and Neil's getting these gen zs in their careers, So like.
41:04
Speaker 2: What's the key takeaway for possibly?
41:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you've talked about the air. You've
41:10
Speaker 1: talked about you know, if it's like if it could
41:12
Speaker 1: take one thing away from this and like, you know,
41:14
Speaker 1: you're stuck, you're feeling like you're not living. Is it
41:17
Speaker 1: your purpose or you're just you know, what is it
41:19
Speaker 1: that they move them in the right direction? What would
41:21
Speaker 1: you say? You know where to take a step today
41:25
Speaker 1: in the right direction?
41:26
Speaker 2: So's yeah, okay, I'd say two things. I'd say. First
41:29
Speaker 2: of all, in terms of the mindset, I want to
41:31
Speaker 2: tell them it's not your fault because I felt very
41:36
Speaker 2: like everyone else knows except me, right, like I'm a
41:40
Speaker 2: failure because I haven't done it. And I think it's
41:43
Speaker 2: not your fault because nobody teaches this stuff at school,
41:47
Speaker 2: right at school to get taught what you get taught,
41:50
Speaker 2: and you know, you think about vocations and stuff, but
41:53
Speaker 2: nobody teaches you sort of the more holistic approach to
41:57
Speaker 2: your career and it being your journey, right. So I think,
42:00
Speaker 2: first of all, like, cut yourself some slack. It's okay
42:03
Speaker 2: that you feel this way. It's normal. And then the
42:07
Speaker 2: second thing I would say is that the like the
42:11
Speaker 2: perspective to always come back to is that there are
42:15
Speaker 2: things you can control and things you can't control. So
42:18
Speaker 2: I always encourage people to focus on what they can
42:22
Speaker 2: control and what they can control their inputs and their outputs.
42:25
Speaker 2: And that's why it's very important to do some of
42:27
Speaker 2: this work early on. So you know, if there's one
42:30
Speaker 2: thing I would encourage particularly that cohort to do, like today,
42:34
Speaker 2: it's some of this alignment work, right, like what are
42:37
Speaker 2: your professional And I have exercises on this, like what
42:38
Speaker 2: are your professional you know? What what are your like
42:43
Speaker 2: what's the career vision? Like what gets the most out
42:45
Speaker 2: of you in the workplace? What doesn't you know? All
42:46
Speaker 2: of these pieces that you pull together to develop your
42:48
Speaker 2: personal branded I've actually got this exercise to craft your
42:51
Speaker 2: own mission and purpose statement and like the steps sort
42:54
Speaker 2: of you can go through to get there. So doing
42:56
Speaker 2: that alignment piece is the most important thing to do a.
43:01
Speaker 1: Foundation, like we talked about, Yeah, getting that absolutely, I mean, Madeline,
43:07
Speaker 1: is a true pleasure having you on here. I know,
43:10
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43:13
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43:19
Speaker 3: We love your comments. Madeline.
43:21
Speaker 1: I will definitely respond to them. I'm going to put
43:23
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43:26
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43:28
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43:32
Speaker 1: you name it. It's awesome.
43:34
Speaker 3: Madelin.
43:35
Speaker 1: It is a real pleasure having you here on the
43:37
Speaker 1: Business round Table. Thank you for taking time out and
43:40
Speaker 1: sharing your wisdom and encouragement.
43:43
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That was really fun.
43:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks everybody.
43:47
Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks so much listening next time.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys joining us. Bye bye,