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Episode 217 - 🔨 Thunderbolts Pre-Game Breakdown · My Third Place Pod

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  Taking a break from grinding Marble Rivals Season 2 to bring
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  you another mind blowing drop from the M3P podcast.
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  Thunderbolts premieres this weekend and let me tell you, I'm
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  by rating like Mjolnir with excitement.
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  I should have rephrased that, but if you're wondering who the
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  Thunderbolts are, Asterisk The Avengers weren't available.
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  Then you come to the right place.
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  This episode is your full pregame breakdown here with
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  baggage, villains on government payrolls, and some wild Marble
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  Comics lore that goes deeper than the Quantum Realm.
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  Stick around because we're assembling the Squad 1 shady
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  back story at a time. Let's charge into it like we're
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  wearing start tech, OK, The biggest question Who are
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  Thunderbolts? The Thunderbolts are basically
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  Marvel's version of the Suicide Squad and a hero's villains
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  turned reluctant heroes are government pawns forced into
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  action. In the comics, they start off
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  pretending to be heroes, but some grew to like it.
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  In the MCU, they're a mix of familiar faces that have been
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  circling The Avengers for years. Fun fact, when the Thunderbolts
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  debuted in 1997, readers didn't know they were actually the
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  masters of evil in disguise. Led by Baron Zemo.
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  That twist blew comic readers minds and set the tone of
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  everything Thunderbolts related. Here is a cast of the
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  Thunderbolts. Florence Pugh playing Yelena
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  Bulova, first seen in Black Wid on Hawkeye.
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  She's just trained assassin. She's a sister figures.
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  Natasha Romanov Black Widow comic book tie in read Black
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  Widow from 2016 and tales of suspense number one O 3 to one O
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  4. The MCU connection Avengers via
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  Natasha Valentina Allegra de Fontaine's recruit a difference
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  in comic Elena is colder and a bit more villainous.
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  Where you might know Florence Pugh from Miss Omar.
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  If you haven't seen it, Little women don't worry darling.
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  And you know, because this is a wrestling podcast sometimes
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  around here, you know, fighting with my family.
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  She plays Paige in that movie. Really really great actress.
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  Check that movie out. Fun fact, Cloris few improvised
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  everyone. Elena's funniest MCU moments,
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  including the vest pocket monologue, Sebastian Stan coming
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  back to re praise his role as Bucky Barnes, The Winter
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  Soldier. He's from Captain America, the
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  first Avenger to the Falcon of Winter Soldier.
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  He'd been brainwashed and assassin brainwashed trying to
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  redeem himself. You know, just don't say certain
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  words around him and like Furnace or Red or some other
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  stuff. It's weird, you know, just don't
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  say it again and again and again.
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  I really didn't like that he it was it was kind of cringy that
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  he came in and set his the same lines from the Marvel rivals
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  game armed and dangerous. OK, comic book tie and you got
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  to read The Winter Soldier by Ed Brie, Recker MCU connection,
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  Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson, basically Wakanda.
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  That's where who gives him the new arm?
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  The comic book redifference comics Bucky eventually becomes
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  Captain America. He does like that's what we were
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  all hoping would happen the comic book readers, but then it
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  turned into something else and P Bucky leans more towards healing
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  and becoming a senator of the US where you might know Sebastian
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  Stan from Pam and Tommy Fresh. I Tanya.
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  Yes, that Tanya Fun facts. Stan trained for months to learn
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  knife choreography for The Winter Soldier movie.
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  Yes, that fight scene was all him.
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  I got to watch that movie again because that was freaking
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  amazing. David Harbour playing Red
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  Guardian. Natasha's fake dad in Black
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  Widow. He was the Soviet answer to
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  Captain America do a bit past his prime.
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  He's a Soviet super soldier kind of make comic counterpart is
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  more serious and loyal to Russia.
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  His comic book times are Avengers #43 Red Guardian
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  generations. The difference is in the comic
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  book is that comic Red Guardian dies a tragic death while the
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  MCU version is much more comedic.
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  Where you might know David Harper from Hellboy Extraction 2
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  with Thor, Chris Hemsworth, and a little show called Stranger
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  Things. Come to think of it, he did get
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  kidnapped by the Russians by by Soviet people and huh weird fun
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  fact, Harbor campaign for Red Guardian to have the bigger MCU
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  future. He's a real life comic fan.
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  So if you're wondering why Red Garden is getting much more show
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  screen time, because David Harbour loved it for him, let's
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  get at the let's get a Red Guardian origin movie, why don't
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  we? Hannah John Kamen is playing
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  Ghost. She's from Ant Man.
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  Ant Man and the Wasp. Why am I saying Aunt Man like
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  Auntie? She's from Ant Man and the Wasp,
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  she phases through matter and due to quantum instability her
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  comic tie insurance is Iron Man 219 and Thunderbolts from 2006
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  run MCU connection to Bill Foster and Hank Pym.
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  The difference with the comic is that comic ghost is male, a full
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  blown anti catalyst saboteur. Additional insight to this Ava
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  star's back story is rooted in tragedy, losing her parents, a
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  quantum accident, and being used by SHIELD as a living weapon.
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  Her survival was maintained by painful quantum treatment.
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  Her connection with Bill Foster was one of the few sources of
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  compassion in her life. Her arc could go deeper into
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  trust and loyalty where you might know Hannah John Cameron
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  from Ready Player 1. Great movie by the way.
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  Y'all should just definitely watch it.
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  Resident Evil, Welcome to recruit city and brave new
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  world. Fun fact, Hannah did her own
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  stunts in Ant Man and the Wasp, including wire work.
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  Olga Krylenko playing taskmaster from Black Widow.
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  She's a photographic. She has photographic reflexes,
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  mimics any fighting style. Our comic book tie in as
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  Avengers 195 to 196 also Taskmaster 2020 run.
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  The difference in comics though is that comic Taskmaster is
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  male, a witty mercenary. The MC version is a reprogrammed
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  weapon. Additional insight The MCU
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  Taskmaster Antonio Ricob is brainwashed victim of her
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  father's Red Room program post Black Widow movie Her freedom
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  from my control. It's a door to exploring her
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  identity, morality, and whether she can form real human
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  connections again. Basically didn't see her
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  anything after Black Widow movie.
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  We didn't see her at all until now.
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  So where has she been this whole time?
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  Where you might know Olga Gurlenko from Quantum of Solace,
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  Double O 4 Oblivion 7 psychopath.
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  Fun fact, she kept the Taskmaster suit hood as the
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  souvenir despite not speaking a word in the role.
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  Wyatt Russell is played playing US Agent, he's from the Falcon
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  and The Winter Soldier. He's a government's replacement
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  cap Captain America. He plays a Grace aggressively
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  and flawed. His comic tie in is Captain
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  America number 333 US agent American zealot.
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  MPU connections are Sam Wilson and Valentina.
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  The difference here the comics US agent is brutal but has a
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  code. MCU version is much more
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  reactive. He reacts to things and
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  sometimes those things don't turn out well.
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  Like when in the Falcon in The Winter Soldier he finds out his
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  friend has died from getting beat up so he goes after the
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  person and kills them in front of people.
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  That's not good. Where you might know Wyatt
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  Wilson from Russell. I'm sorry.
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  Wyatt Russell 22 Jump St. Great movie.
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  Lodge 49 Under the Banner of Heaven.
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  Fun fact. Why is the real life son of Kurt
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  Russell and Goldie Hawn superhero Bloodline confirmed We
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  got Valentina Allegra de Fontaine played by Julia Julia
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  Louise Dreyfus MCU shady recruiters seen in Black Widow
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  and Falcon into a Winter Soldier kind of Italians are nick fury
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  agents of shield secret warriors difference in the comic.
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  Comic Val with a shield agent. She's a double agent now.
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  MCU version leans into the villain puppet master territory.
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  Additional insight to the MCU, Valentina seems to be creating
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  her own covert team of controllable superhero women's.
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  Her motives are murky, whether for personal gain, national
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  control or even a darker hidden threat remains unclear.
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  Her scenes suggest long term planning possibly tied to a
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  greater multi personal or dark Avengers arc where you might
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  know Julia, Louis Dreyfus. I don't know Veep, The New
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  Adventures of Ochristine and some some crazy ass show called
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  Seinfeld. Elaine Seinfeld was the shit.
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  Fun fact, Julia was cast in secret.
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  Most MCU actors didn't know she was joining until she showed up
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  on set. Just show up on set and have
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  talked to Elena, Laura, Peter be like hey we got you.
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  Like what the hell? And finally, it'll last but
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  certainly not least we had the Sentry or the Void as he's known
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  and the trailers. But he's the Sentry played by
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  Louis Pullman, confirmed for the movie and rumored to be a game
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  changer. Back story as Robert Reynolds
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  gained the power of 1,000,000 exploding Suns.
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  But his dark half the void lurks within him.
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  Where you might know Louis Pullman from.
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  He starred in Top Gun, Maverick, Out of range, and Bad Times at
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  the El Royale. Hey comic book tie in our
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  Century 2000, Dark Avengers 2009 and Sieg 2010.
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  Great books. Dark Avengers 2009 I own them
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  all. Great storyline, great arc
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  difference In the comics, Comic Century is mentally unstable,
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  torn between savior and destroyer.
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  The MCU may tweak his origin, but seems to preserve the
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  internal conflict dynamic. The implication?
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  If the Boyd emerges, this team might not survive.
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  The century is powerful enough to go toe to toe with Hulk,
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  Thor, even wipe out entire cities.
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  This isn't just a superhero gone bad, it's a multiples of threat
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  in human form. His presence could signal a
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  pivot to darker horror fused marble tones leading into secret
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  wars. Fun fact, Lewis is the son of
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  actor Bill Pullman, our President of the United States
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  from Independence Day. That guy, before I start in the
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  row, he showed his dad the script who told him there's a
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  lot to do here and trust me, I will do that.
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  July 4th speech on July 4th. Tonight we will celebrate our
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  Independence Day. Additional insight Pullman said
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  portraying Bob's and her struggle was harder than playing
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  centuries Val like side. The duality is core to the film
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  psychological weight. Oh yeah, his name is Robert, but
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  they go call him Bob. Between Bob Reynolds, a
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  character grappling with the immense power and inner turmoil
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  presented a unique challenge for Pullman.
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  He found embodying Bob's vulnerabilities and imposter
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  syndrome more demanding than portraying the God like Sentry,
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  Pullman remarked. I definitely relate to Bob with
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  his imposter syndrome qualities. I think Bob really has a journey
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  of believing himself and believing that he is worth it.
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  This comes from superhero hype comicbookmovies.com this
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  introspective approach Mary Pullman's own experience joining
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  the MCU, where he felt the weight of responsibility to
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  contribute meaningfully to the franchise.
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  His nuanced performance aims to humanize a character often
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  depicted as a near omnipotent being as in depth to the
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  narrative of Thunderbolts connections in the MCU.
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  Most of these characters are broken people with government
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  ties, trauma, or shady past. Valentina is the common thread.
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  She's building a team in the shadows.
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  The Thunderbolts don't trust each other and that's the
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  appeal. Bucky's the wild card, Possibly
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  the conscious of the group. Yelena, Greg, Greg, Guardian
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  bring family drama, Ghost bringing Bolaveri and US Agent
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  brings his ego. Sure, why not?
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  Here are the movies to watch before you watch this movie.
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  All of these are on Disney Plus. Go ahead and watch him.
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  Go ahead and binge on them. You don't have to watch the
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  entire empty timeline to watch any of these movies.
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  To watch this movie start at Black Widow where you get
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  Yelena, Redgard and Taskmaster Falcon.
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  The Winter Soldier you get US Agent Bucky and Valentina, and
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  then the Wasp you get Ghost Hawkeye.
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  The TV series you get Lenience emotional arc towards the ending
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  of the show around us towards the ending of the episodes.
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  Captain America, The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War
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  and End game you get Bucky's legacy story arc, especially The
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  Winter Soldier you find out where he's from.
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  Captain America the first movie is where you meet Bucky The
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  Winter Soldier is where he gets mind control furnace.
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  All these other words, Civil war is a big, big thing.
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  He's the reason. And then Avengers Infinity War
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  and Avengers End game, he's on them.
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  So check those movies out and those shows.
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  Comic versus movie comparisons in a comic.
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  Origins. Thunderbolt 1997 by music and
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  Bagley as a must read. As to Deception era with
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  Baronzimo leading the charge, there's Dark Avengers context.
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  Norman Osbourne turned the Thunder Rosa Dove villain LED
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  Avengers knockoff. That run was called Dark
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  Avengers 2009. It was amazing that many like
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  the knockoffs were a knockoff of Wolverine, a knockoff Hulk,
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  Venom I think was in it. So it's like a knockoff of
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  Spider Man. There were so many of them in
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  there. It was just pure chaos.
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  Pure chaos and drama. This team isn't the first or the
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  last. Thunderbolt squads have included
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  everyone from Deadpool to Punisher to Electra somewhere.
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  Redemption are other pure manipulation.
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  The name might stay the same, but the mission always mutates.
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  There was a Thundervolts versus Young Avengers.
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  Maybe. Rumors suggest this could
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  contrast a future Young Avengers team.
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  Kate Bishop. Kamala Patriot of Hulk.
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  Son. Yeah, he has a son.
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  Who was his name? Scar Sakar.
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  Whatever his name is, a dude had a big ass forehead.
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  Think big government muscle versus next Gen. heart.
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  Basically Miss Papa Tunity. Here for this movie was Baron
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  Zemo, Daniel Bro, who showed up on Falcon The Winter Soldier.
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  He isn't confirmed, but he found the team in the comics.
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  We I don't know, we might see a surprise appearance.
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  Maybe. I mean he we did see like a
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  little bit of him in the background of of New World
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  Order. What's that movie Captain
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  America, the new one at the very end.
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  If you haven't seen it, I'm sorry for spoiling that for you.
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  Fun cameo predictions, maybe Sharon Carter.
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  I know the actress has not acted in a while.
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  Case in point, she did leave the her one show that I was watching
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  because she wanted to focus more on taking care of her kids.
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  So hopefully she comes back. General Ross, now president and
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  yes, maybe even a surprise motif.
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  General Ross, who's now the Red Hulk, Come on, you guys know
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  this by now for sure. Phase Five's placement.
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  This film drops right in the middle of Phase Five, bridging
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  the cap between Captain America and Brave New World, Armor Wars
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  and setting up Secret Wars. The New World Order, Brave New
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  World, whatever it's called, Armor Wars.
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  Is that still saying that's still happening?
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  And setting up Secret Wars? Thunderbolts could become key
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  players in the multiverse. Sagas end game maybe with
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  Century and play at Valentina's chess board expanding.
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  This could feed directly the Secret Wars or even Avengers of
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  some other Avengers movie. If the Thunderbolts are
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  manipulating into multiples of war sink slot heroes used as
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  cannon fodder by higher powers like Kang, Doom or Beyonder, we
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  all know there's no Kang anymore.
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  Maybe you'll come back, maybe Kang Dynasty is just something
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  that will probably happen one day, but I doubt it.
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  What makes Thunderbolt special? They're not the clean cut
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  heroes. They're broken, unpredictable,
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  and often manipulated. But then beneath all that, some
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  of them are just trying to fix what they broke or what was
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  broken in them. And sometimes that makes them
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  more heroic than The Avengers ever wear.
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  And there you have it. Thunderbolt is dropping like a
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  Hulk smash this weekend, clocking in just over 2 hours of
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  anti hero action. It opens officially this Friday,
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  so grab your squad, your popcorn, maybe a shield, and at
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  least a snack that won't betray you halfway through the mission.
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  Let me know if you want more deep dive like this for the
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  upcoming 2025 movies, from Superman to Fantastic Four and
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  beyond. Leave a comment, drop a review,
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  or hit me up on the socials. Things is always providing with
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  us and being a part of this wild, ever growing community
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  we're building. A little messy, a little
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  magical, but always made with love.
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  Tell your friends, bring your whole crew, share a slice of
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  this show, and meet us right back here next time for more
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  stories, hot takes, predictions, ASMR, Pokémon lore.
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  We do that also marble rivals career updates, of course, again
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  and again and again. And the kind of delicious chaos.
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  Pure chaos. You didn't know you were craving
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  right here on my Third Place podcast, where community,
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  creativity and a little bit of chaos, pure chaos, always
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  collide. And remember, when The Avengers
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  are busy, who you going to call? You call the Thunderbolts
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  Thunderbolts. You don't call now.
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  You're not going to call Ghostbusters.
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  You're going to call Thunderbolts.
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  Call the Thunderbolts. Call the Thunderbolts asterisk.