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How the left is appealing to men in the age of Trump | Maintaining Frame 158 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 2: Okay, Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. Minnie
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  Speaker 2: is Brian and who with Allison? And this is maintaining
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  Speaker 2: frame number one fifty eight. How the left is appealing
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  Speaker 2: to men in the age of the Orange Man. All Right,
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  Speaker 2: so it looks like we're live and good to go.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess there's like a bunch of things we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be reactiony to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got so.
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  Speaker 4: I got a whole bunch of nuts in my squirrel
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  Speaker 4: in my bag. I was gonna call it my nut bag,
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  Speaker 4: but then I was like something about that doesn't sound right.
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  Speaker 1: Nuts my bag of nuts.
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  Speaker 4: I've grathered a whole bunch so we can look at
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  Speaker 4: them until we run out of time. But it's essentially
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  Speaker 4: the democratic response to losing the election, and in part
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  Speaker 4: losing the election because the lost men, the lost men
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  Speaker 4: like period, who would have thought, you know, decades of
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  Speaker 4: insulting your what was once your core base would would
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  Speaker 4: eventually catch up on you. But here we are, and
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  Speaker 4: I thought it would be funny to look at how
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  Speaker 4: they have interpreted the situation and how they've responded to it,
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  Speaker 4: and how they're going because I know that you guys
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  Speaker 4: covered this like last week, but you know there's there's
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  Speaker 4: been more happenings in the realm of Democrats attempting to
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  Speaker 4: appeal to men, and they are absolutely hilarious, as you
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  Speaker 4: can imagine. But just to set the tone, why don't
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  Speaker 4: we will listen to their spokesperson. I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: she identifies as she.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Identify Olah Olivia Olivia Juliani whisperer. Yeah, official man whisperer
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  Speaker 4: for the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 3: I've actually looked at her Twitter.
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  Speaker 4: It's a bold strategy if it plays off for them
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  Speaker 4: in like the midterms, you know, let's see, let's see
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  Speaker 4: if they can get a little bit closer to scoring
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  Speaker 4: be the Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: Fundament Let's take a look at Olivia Juliana.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just playing some of this.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the person that's in charge of bringing young men
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  Speaker 5: back to the Democratic Party into Donald Trump Junior Trump
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  Speaker 5: war room, webs of TikTok, and well, none of that's
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  Speaker 5: actually true. Every single time I saw one of y'all
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  Speaker 5: posting about me, I had one main thought at the
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  Speaker 5: top of my head. Y'all are a bunch of y'all
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  Speaker 5: are the.
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  Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I think you what the
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  Speaker 4: thing is that?
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  Speaker 3: What insult?
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  Speaker 4: You all are a bunch of what lovely coconuts? Like?
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  Speaker 3: What what did she say?
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  Speaker 1: She called them pussies?
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  Speaker 2: Because the the because when you insult a man by
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  Speaker 2: comparing them to a woman, that's an insult.
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  Speaker 1: But also men and women are the same.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know this is what This is what
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  Speaker 2: feminists do though, actually this is just what people do
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  Speaker 2: when they want to shame men. They just compare them
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  Speaker 2: to women, and feminists think that that's sexist, but they
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  Speaker 2: also do it.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, like AOC calling.
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  Speaker 1: Elon, girls are fighting.
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  Speaker 3: The girl Elon and Trump the girls are fighting.
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  Speaker 4: Oh so we are admitting that there is that women
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  Speaker 4: bring a particular tenor to political discourse. Now, can we
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  Speaker 4: actually discuss how that might affect politics overall?
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  Speaker 6: Nah?
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  Speaker 3: No, we can just use that to shame men.
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  Speaker 4: But then the instant that it could blow back on women,
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  Speaker 4: we say, respect women.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Well, okay, so I'll just go back a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Top of my head. Y'all are a bunch of y'all
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  Speaker 5: are the ones that made it about a woman and
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  Speaker 5: her identity and the way that she.
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  Speaker 4: Saying that, y'all, I'm instantly confused. Is she not the
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  Speaker 4: man whisperer?
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  Speaker 1: I think that the book.
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  Speaker 2: So we're we got this a little bit out of
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  Speaker 2: context because we don't have the original video. So there
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  Speaker 2: was the video that leaked out of the that that
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  Speaker 2: people were using as the resource or the source that
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  Speaker 2: show that she was going to be the official man
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  Speaker 2: whisperer for the Democratic Party, Okay, and then a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of like you know, leader's right wing whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it. They had responses and probably had a
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  Speaker 2: lot to do with her appearance, the fact that she
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  Speaker 2: is a queer, Latina, woman of size and all of
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  Speaker 2: these sort of like you know, feminist identity markers. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what they were saying was hilarious about is because
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  Speaker 2: this is like, this person is the embodiment of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's the embodiment of why men are leaving the Democrat
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  Speaker 2: Party right, or at least like they have like decided
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  Speaker 2: to step up and vote in their own interests and
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  Speaker 2: not the interests of this and she is turning that
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  Speaker 2: into her victimhood card now right, So she's saying, you
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  Speaker 2: are the ones that made this about being a woman,
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  Speaker 2: but they didn't accept that she is. So like, if
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have someone that's gonna speak to men's interests,
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  Speaker 2: I think that men would expect that person to also
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  Speaker 2: be a man who have their same interest That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean it couldn't be a woman, but the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it's a person who comes out and says like open
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  Speaker 2: sentences with as a LATINX, as a queer LATINX woman
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  Speaker 2: of size, that is already like that's like four red
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  Speaker 2: flags right off the bat.
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  Speaker 1: And then and and do you.
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  Speaker 2: See what I'm saying, Like it's like, if the concern
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  Speaker 2: is is that men have concerns, they have issues that
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  Speaker 2: they need addressed, and the response is send in the overweight,
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  Speaker 2: the latin X queer woman, you know, to to.
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  Speaker 1: Tell them that she gets what they're going through.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to say, no, you don't, especially because even
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  Speaker 2: by your own rules, by the left's rules, they can't
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  Speaker 2: understand what it means to be a man, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like a heterosexual white man in this country, which is
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  Speaker 2: the group they're attacking. Like when when these people put
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  Speaker 2: out all of these identity groups they're basically just excluding.
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  Speaker 2: It's what it's what they exclude that you have to
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  Speaker 2: pay attention to. And it's always men, especially white men,
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  Speaker 2: especially straight white men. So but men is this is
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  Speaker 2: the starting point. So when men see that and they're saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: you're literally still doing the same shit you always do.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that you are a queer Latina woman
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  Speaker 2: of size and that's how you identify, that's actually you
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  Speaker 2: telling us that you don't get it still, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the reason, that's the logic behind why we find this laughable.
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  Speaker 2: And her response is, oh, so it's because I'm a woman, right,
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, yeah, you're still doing it. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 2: still doing it.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, really to layer my abstractions onto what you've said. Essentially,
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  Speaker 4: she's looking at this issue from a framework that basically
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  Speaker 4: makes men's point of view illegitimate, and that she's she's
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  Speaker 4: essentially saying, well, my moral authority comes from being a
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  Speaker 4: LATINX queer of size, and that means I get to
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  Speaker 4: lecture too men what their experiences are and what their
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  Speaker 4: concerns can be. That that's where that's where that usually
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  Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure that's exactly where she's coming from,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the real The problem with the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 4: is that they start from premise that being a man
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  Speaker 4: is illegitimate and having issues is even more so because
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  Speaker 4: you know, the patriarchy. If she was a woman who
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  Speaker 4: said who started with as someone who's thought deeply about
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  Speaker 4: the things that affect men, the men in my life
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  Speaker 4: or the men that I've known, that might have been
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  Speaker 4: a much different reception.
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  Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: And it wouldn't mattered if I mean, it might matter
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  Speaker 4: if it's she's a woman, because can men not have
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  Speaker 4: their own spokesperson that is a man? But if she
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  Speaker 4: had come at this with a good faith, a good
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  Speaker 4: faith belief that she has to listen to men rather
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  Speaker 4: than dictate to them, then I think it would be
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  Speaker 4: a different story and people wouldn't have well, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there would have been some internet trolls who
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  Speaker 4: would call out all of the other stuff and good griefs.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like they.
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  Speaker 4: Baited the hook with this woman though. It's almost like
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  Speaker 4: the Democratic Party is like, how can we really piss
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  Speaker 4: men off? In particular conservative men, How can we piss
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  Speaker 4: them off and trigger them them into reactions than we
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  Speaker 4: can that we can then frame as, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 4: why we don't need to listen to men, because men
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  Speaker 4: are are mean?
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  Speaker 3: Are their MENI pants?
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  Speaker 4: They're MENI memis?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, say some more.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what she's So she's calling those men pussies.
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  Speaker 2: Now of course she's directing it at specific men who
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  Speaker 2: have responded to her that are high let's say, high
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  Speaker 2: profile figures like Donald Trump Junior for example. So this
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  Speaker 2: is another thing that these people do because they operate within.
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  Speaker 2: They hate hierarchy, but they're all about hierarchy. Their hierarchy
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  Speaker 2: is just a different hierarchy. And that is like, the
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  Speaker 2: guys at the top are my enemy, and they are
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  Speaker 2: representative of all guys.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I point them out.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm only like drawn to respond to them because
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  Speaker 2: of their because they're at the top, so I only
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  Speaker 2: see them and those are my enemy, and they also
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  Speaker 2: reflect all men or all of whatever the group I'm
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  Speaker 2: attacking is, which is usually so she's and what I
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  Speaker 2: think she's hoping to do maybe is the game favorite
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  Speaker 2: with men who are not these men, so that those
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  Speaker 2: men will say, well, I'm not Donald Trump Junior, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not so and so you know, I'm not Charlie Kirk,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think that's gonna work anymore. I mean
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  Speaker 2: it might un some, but I don't think it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: work anymore.
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  Speaker 5: But let's listen the Democrats, do you don't actually give
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  Speaker 5: a fuck about young men instead a lot of you.
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  Speaker 5: You want to talk about my weight. You're using pictures
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  Speaker 5: of me from about sixty five pounds ago. So let
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  Speaker 5: me ask you.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go, so again you feel the need to
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  Speaker 2: make the case that this is about you now, not
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  Speaker 2: about men, like you're completely not You're not talking about
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  Speaker 2: You're not talking about men at all. You're just using
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  Speaker 2: your victim cred to grant morally grandstand over everybody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and this is why men don't want to listen to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but right.
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  Speaker 4: Here she's doing exactly what I'm sure a lot of
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  Speaker 4: men on some level we're concerned about. Yes, there are
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  Speaker 4: men who are going to call you out for your
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  Speaker 4: size if you're losing weight. You also know it's a problem, though,
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  Speaker 4: let's be honest. Yeah, and you probably have enough money
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  Speaker 4: to afford the chemical cure to this, as it were.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about I don't think it's a good idea,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, well, I mean quote unquote chemical cure. My
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  Speaker 4: point is that she is now saying there is the
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  Speaker 4: existence of these men who are not appreciative of who
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  Speaker 4: she is and how she's presenting herself. Right, she doesn't
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  Speaker 4: represent an aspirational idea. I'm sorry, lady, you don't like
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  Speaker 4: what what about you is aspirational? Your politics, well, you
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  Speaker 4: can't assume the assume what you're doing, like, you got
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  Speaker 4: to show that your politics is aspirational, but you got
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  Speaker 4: to represent something aspirational, something that's some kind of excellence.
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  Speaker 3: Where's your excellence?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And I think that would appeal to men a lot more.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing is that she's doing the thing, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, she's using her victimhood to delegitimate men's concerns.
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  Speaker 4: She's saying, well, these men over there being mean to me,
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  Speaker 4: Therefore y'all don't deserve, damn or anything right to go
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  Speaker 4: to hell.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all are She'll weaponize that and say, well, look, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a decent guy, I'll look out for you.
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  Speaker 1: That means you have to, you know, condemn these.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, right, Yeah, and that that's I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 2: that's what they're that's what they do.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm wondering if that was specifically the point too.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think inappropriate candidate.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think that I honestly think these people
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  Speaker 2: are so certain that they're morally better than everybody else
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  Speaker 2: that there is no like anyone who would have a
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  Speaker 2: disagreement must have something wrong with them. I think this
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  Speaker 2: is just delusion, Like they just believe I'm a liberal
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  Speaker 2: that makes me a better person. Automatically, I have all
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  Speaker 2: the good ideas and anyone who doesn't have my ideas
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  Speaker 2: has all the bad ideas.
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  Speaker 1: And that's been reinforced for generations.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what this I'm telling you, that's what I
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  Speaker 2: think is going on, because I have been there myself.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I know.
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  Speaker 2: And so she thinks, well, I'm a liberal, so therefore
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a better person than everybody and if you're
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  Speaker 2: not one of you. But basically, look, I'm the politics
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  Speaker 2: of all the good things. That's what they say. Like yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: I was doing a news show and there was somebody
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  Speaker 2: in the vertical chat that was basically making the argument
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  Speaker 2: that we're just better people. Why because we believe all
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  Speaker 2: the good things. Well, what about the people who don't
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  Speaker 2: agree with you, Well, they.
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  Speaker 1: Believe the bad things. Obviously they're the bad people.
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  Speaker 2: I know it sounds really really low IQ, but that's
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  Speaker 2: what the paradigm is.
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  Speaker 1: It's that simple. They're just better people. You just have
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  Speaker 1: to accept that, and they can't.
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  Speaker 2: You can't argue with them because they're just better than you,
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  Speaker 2: fucking better than you, just like Anakisparian said, right, But how.
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  Speaker 4: Can you help someone when you immediately put them.
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  Speaker 1: Below you and you're doing them a favor? Is what
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  Speaker 1: it is?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I see, I see, And I don't know from
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  Speaker 4: what particular persuasion that person was.
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  Speaker 3: You said, he's just better. But that isn't actually low IQ.
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  Speaker 4: It actually can take a lot of intelligence to engage
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  Speaker 4: in the slopsism necessary to always land that on I
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  Speaker 4: am better than you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that that that's true, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it does require a tremendous amount of Well, I would
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  Speaker 2: say that it's mid wittery.
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  Speaker 1: I'll put it that way. It's like people who just like.
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  Speaker 2: Saw that, you know, John Stewart told me these things.
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  Speaker 1: Therefore, I'm a better person, Like I follow the rules.
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  Speaker 2: Of what it means to be good, and I know
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  Speaker 2: what that is, and I've never questioned it.
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  Speaker 1: Therefore, I'm just.
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  Speaker 5: Better, you know, am I saying that I'm better than you?
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  Speaker 5: I guess I'm going a little further than you are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm fucking much better than you.
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  Speaker 5: You are garbage.
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  Speaker 2: Where how does someone come to that conclusion and be
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  Speaker 2: so certain of it, even if they are intelligent, like
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  Speaker 2: unless you just don't have the humility to say maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm wrong. But very few people can do that, because
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  Speaker 2: what it takes is tremendous courage to say maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And even now Anna Casparian, who I just played a
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  Speaker 2: SoundBite of, is starting and she hasn't gotten there yet,
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  Speaker 2: but she's beginning to realize that she doesn't have it
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  Speaker 2: all figured out and that things are not that simple,
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  Speaker 2: and that she's not always just a better person because
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: she has you know, she checks this box and that
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: box that because she just cares about women in some
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: abstract way, right and and but but it's not easy
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: for people to do. It's just not you have to
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: be willing to say, you know what, I'm kind of
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: a piece of shit. I say that to myself all
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: the time, kind of a piece of shit. And I'm
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: working on it, and that is a good place to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: start from. It's actually like a deeper conversation that you
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: have to be having with yourself before you start talking
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: about what you know, like deciding what is right and
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: wrong and and what that could where that could lead
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you is gonna be difficult. But a lot of these
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: people like this person and I'm my guess is is
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that she looks like she's in her twenties.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: She was probably college educated, and just like.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Was told, this spoon fed all of her moral virtues
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and then went out into the world and said, I
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: am a woman, therefore I'm morally better. I am queer,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: that makes me even more better morally. I am fat,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: that makes me even more better. But but I'm getting
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: a little too fat, so I'm gonna lose some weight,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: but I'm still pretty fat, so I'm still basically better
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: than you are. And that's like, and I'm brown too, right,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: And that is like the primary obstacle is this kind
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: of solipsistic self assuredness. And then what follows is all
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: of its rhetoric. Everything is based on how does it
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: look like? Whatever I say? How does it make me look?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Do I look smarter? Than that other person. Than that
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: means I am, and that means I won the argument.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And that's what you'll see all over the online. I've
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: seen this because I look at what a lot of
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: leftists are posting, and I look at their arguments, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I look at their reactions to things, and what I've
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: noticed is they're not really concerned.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: About having the facts on their side.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: They're concerned about whether or not what they're saying sounds
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: viable enough that other people that are watching could.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Agree with them. They're very, very concerned with optics.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example of that. Alexandria Cosio
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Cortez said it herself. She said, it's more important that
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: you be morally right than factually correct. That's it summed up, right,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Do I look, Do I sound like I.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Got the moral high ground?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And does my identity group like me being a woman,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: me being like a minority, me being queer, whatever.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Does that support my argument?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Of course it does, because I've created a hierarchy, a
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: hierarchy or my identity, and once I've built my case
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: and use that hierarchy, and I've also found ways to
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: tear down your hierarchy, like pointing out that you're a male,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: or pointing out that you're white, or pointing out that
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you're straight, or pointing out that you're well off, or
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: pointing out that you have a lot of clout or
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of followers online, like your social media status
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: is higher than mine. Then I can use that to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: essentially make your arguments illegitimate, purely based on that before
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I've even gotten into the discussion, and I see it
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: everywhere and I call it out, like on X, I'm like, dude,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: you're concerned with optics and that's it. You care about
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: what people think about what you're saying, not whether whether
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: or not what you're saying is true.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And they will fight with me, well, optics matter. It's
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: like no, the truth is the only thing that matters.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: This is why we are in the position we are in.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: This is why we struggle so hard because.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: There are people who are very concerned with what looks
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: true and what feels good. Then what is true and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: what is good? And so I'm sorry I went on
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a bit of a rant, but this woman is playing
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: that game. And the thing is that makes it nearly
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: impossible to refute, because you could have the best arguments
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: that you could just be like, but you're a fucking
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: white male, and that'd be the end of your argument.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a somebody in special Chat saying that,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: let's see, sigularis says some ideas are simply better than others,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: saying otherwise, as low IQ as you can get. He
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: then goes into faith as a basis of conservative thought,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: literally never thinking you can be wrong, I'm not a conservative, Oh.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: My god, Like no offense.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Faith is not the basis of all thought for conservatives.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you know what I realized. I just want
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: to put this out there. I've been doing this for
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: like twelve years, and what I realized, the thing that
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: drives me the most, that I can't stand is when
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: people misrepresent other people's positions and arguments.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: And from the.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Beginning, I thought that men's rights activists have been misrepresented,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: they've been lied about, and it really pissed me off
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: and that's why I got involved with this. But now
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing it like everywhere, and it just annoys the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: shit out of me because you know why people do that,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: because they think it's a really easy way for them
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to lift their own status up. Oh well, conservatives, they
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: do everything.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Based on faith.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So like when I go out into the world, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what you even mean by that,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that conservative is a pejorative, even
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: though I know that person of the audience is using
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it that way, and I think that's shitty as hell too,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: because it misrepresents people's beliefs. But to make that statement
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous on its face, because that means that everybody
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: who is conservative whatever that means, which I'm sure just
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: means anyone who doesn't agree with me on anything, because.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: This is the way you guys work.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: That means that whenever they do anything in life, they're
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: just drifting on the wind, like they don't make choices.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: They just let God Jesus take the wheel on everything.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And that's just not true. It's just not And I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: wish you guys would just stop lying about people because
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: it just I'm just kind of like bored it now.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just bored of it. It's boring.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Like, please try to, like, even if you're opposing somebody,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: try to understand where they're coming from. Just try to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: understand it. Stop doing that. It's it's not good for
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you and it's not good for conversations.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: So they put you in a box and then they
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: just ignore what you have to say. I've just had
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: this experience recently with Natty Natty on Twitter. I don't
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: know if you've seen that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I did. I saw a little bit of it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: She's calling me a theosophist.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I don't even know.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Is that how you pronounce the word which I don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: know what that is, Like, I guess I know vaguely
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: what it is. But but she's put me in a box.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: And then she says, I want you to clarify your
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: worldview because you're disingenuous.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, so.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: You you know that my worldview is disingenuous, and yet
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: you don't know what it is.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: That sounds disingenuous.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Friend. But it's like people put you in a box
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: and then they just completely dismiss what you have to say. Hey,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: this is very simplistic thinking, and but it's understandable.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: It's human. That's what people do.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: If you say something that they have to take an
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: effort to understand, they put you in a box and
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: they say you're bad. Therefore you're whatever you presented to
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: them as bad. It's like this guy is singularist in
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: the chat, what I am in a box. Brian is
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: in a box. Therefore he can dismiss what we're saying.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: But what I'm saying here simply is that this woman
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: is not coming to her this task of Democrats appealing
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to men in good faith. She's not coming to this
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: thinking what can I learn about men's situation in order
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: to better understand how to appeal to them or how
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: to make them realize that my party actually does advocate
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: for their interests. I don't want to go into whether it's,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: you know, like the weeds on this, but just looking
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: at this situation she comes from. She comes to this
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: from a position of lecturing to men who they are,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: and can you Segularists in the Special Chat conceive of
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the possibility that not just a woman, but a woman
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: who identifies herself first and formally formally as a woman,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: as a LATINX, as a person of size, as queer,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: might not have the best understanding of men and who
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: men are and what men want, and that maybe if
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: she's being put into a position of being the czar
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: of men, she might want to approach that with a
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: mind open to learning.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here's the thing I sy, that's okay. The
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: thing I'm going to say about this is that I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: think that the problem that the left has with attracting
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: men is that they only they only see men as
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a means to an end, which is power, and not
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: actually addressing men's issues, which is what like membershoe on
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: head years like was it last year or something made
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a video about like you know, how the left can
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: attract more men, and of course she is a leftist,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: so she's trying to find a solution of this problem,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and all she finds is videos of men saying but
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: or of other leftists basically saying men have all the stuff.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So the reason why I don't think there is a
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: solution is because the only way they could change that
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: is that they completely shattered their paradigm, Like they'd have
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to get rid of the oppress or oppressed narrative completely,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and there's no way to do that because it's it's fundamental,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: it's on the foundation of their worldview. So the only
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: way they can do it is if they abandon that ability,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that that completely, because because you know, otherwise you're gonna
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: end up doing it like I don't know, like along
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: class lines. Well guess what that's still gonna affect men
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Oh, you can do
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it along some other lines, you're gonna it's it's basically
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: fundamentally immoral no matter how you set it up, so
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: they can't do it without shattering everything. So what they're
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: doing now is they're just trying to find ways to
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: con men into supporting them, which is why they're concerned
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: with optics. Like I said, this isn't about actually doing
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: anything for men.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Hell, it isn't even about actually doing anything.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: For women, except that it's attractive to women because they've
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: created a paradigm where men are the enemy, and a
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: lot of women find that paradigm appealing because maybe they
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: are struggling in their life and they need somebody to blame.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And so feminists or leftists they.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Basically say, oh, it's it's patriarchy, it's capitalism, it's white supremacy,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: it's colonialism, it's whatever.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: But it's all rhetoric. It's all bullshit.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Like they're built on lies completely, and they are lies
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: that are very, very comforting because they make you feel morally.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Better than everybody else.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And so they have a problem attracting men because men
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: see through the lies. They know that at the end
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of the day, if they convince men to help them
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to support their cause, it would only be in terms
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: of their tactical advantage to get what they want. But
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they're not actually going to give men anything, and frankly,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: most men don't want anything except to be left alone
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to pursue whatever their goals are, which is again antithetical
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: to leftists because leftists are statists, and statists are people
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: who do need the state to do things for them,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: which I've been saying for like ten fucking years now,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and I still people don't seem to get it, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you will eventually just stick with me. But anyway, at
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, this woman is trying to
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: con men into joining the Democrat Party, and she is
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: going she has to do it along the lines of
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: making the you know, the other side more I guess,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: more of an enemy to men, or by asking men
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to be good men by supporting her cause as supposed
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to the bad men who support the other cause. Right,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It's like why they say patriarchy hurts men too, So anyway,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: let's play the rest of them.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but before you continue, essentially what she's doing
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: is she's trying to use shaming for say, she's basically
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: using shaming to get men to embrace something that's against their.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Own interests, and not even their own interests.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Like you said, men generally want to be left alone
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: to pursue building whatever it is that they want to do,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: or just be left alone to play games in their
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: father's basement or whatever.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Just want to be left alone, and they don't want that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: They don't want to leave men alone because they want
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: to use men to enact whatever agenda that they have.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: So they are going to shame men, and that's what
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: they offer, you know. And also the way that they
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: approach everything is, like you said, it's very softist.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It's very about let's.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Present an emotion, whereas in my experience, men are much
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: more interested in causality, not just marinating in an emotion,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: but knowing that something is going to affect something else.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: And we can get a little bit more into that,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: but I think that the debate over immigration sort of
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: demonstrates this very clearly, not even a debate on the left.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: They simply shame everybody who's against immigration as being a racist,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: so that they basically that's their tools is to take
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: away positive regard towards the people that they're targeting, whereas
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: on anybody else I don't even want to say on
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: the right. But anybody who disagrees with that, they're not
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: necessarily disagreeing with it. I mean, maybe some of them
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: may be disagreeing with it because they don't like the
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: brown people or the people with funny accents, but you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: most a lot of them, and this is where the
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: debate comes in, are disagreeing with it from simple physical reality.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: If you have a lifeboat and you go past the
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: capacity of the lifeboat, it sinks. Okay, that has nothing
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: to do with racism. And in fact, in Canada, what
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: we're finding is that immigrants from like five ten years
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: ago are turning around and saying, what are you doing
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: bringing in so many people? You're gonna make the life
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: boats sink. So it isn't even a matter of ethnicity,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: It isn't even a matter of race, It isn't even
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: a matter.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Of funny accent.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Is simply this. At some point, you have to stop
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: taking people on the lifeboat or it sinks, and they
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: don't they don't want to recognize that, so they just
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: call every condemnation of this situation racism because it's all
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: about emotion, it's all about shaming people's identity and manipulating
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: people through their identities.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, I am done.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, optics, all right, let's keep going.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: If I lose another sixty five pounds, will y'all actually
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: raise young men's wages? Will you actually increase funding to
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: mental health services? Or are you just going to find
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: another way to deflect from them?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: So that's her way of injecting, like what she says, okay, raised, no, no, no,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: she's saying, will y'all raise men's wages? The government doesn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: do that. I mean, she wants the government to do that,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: but that's not really the government's job.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: What would help?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing that's funny about this illegal immigration
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: is contributing to men's problems of like not being able
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to find work, much less work that pays decent because
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: why would you hire a you know, an American citizen
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: when you have to pay them a minimum wage or
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: something like that, when you could just hire an illegal
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and pay them next to nothing. And that's what happens,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: especially at the bigger companies, and these people like her,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you. She's all about what's going on in
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: these riots right now. She's totally fine with illegal immigration,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: which is what this is about. It's not even immigration,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it's literally illegal immigration, like people who are not supposed
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to be here, who are here and they're getting jobs.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: That's literally what this is about. And she can't square
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that circle because she wants to. She cares about men.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: But if men say, well, can you do something about
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the illegal immigration because I'd like to be able to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: get a job, then she will say no, no, no,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you don't want that job. You wouldn't do that work, right,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you should be working at like I don't know, And
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: she probably doesn't want like would she if it came
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: down to it and there was like a job that
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: was available that could go to a man or woman,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Which one do you think she's going to advocate for.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: She's gonna want to give it to the woman. This
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: is the problem with feminism. This is the problem with leftism.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: It has a hierarchy, so men will not be served
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: by it. And again she's saying that you like, the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: government just has to create jobs and give them the men.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Guess what government jobs?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: You know, how they're paid for by taxpayers, So men
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: are paying for like, that's not revenue.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, let's look at this situation. Sorry, Brian, but
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: let's look at this situation. Obama created a bill that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: was it was an infrastructure bill, and the jobs were
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: going to go to men. Okay, So this is the
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: classic labor, classic socialist kind of like union thing, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And he was going to give a whole bunch of
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: jobs to men as a stimulus package. Fair enough, right,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: It's probably the least defensive use of government funds. Feminists
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: swanned in and destroyed it because that bill was discrimination
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: against women. She talks about raising men's wages, but she'll
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: continue to discriminate against men in employment. Yes, okay, boycat
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: is voiding.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: This is like she can't All she can do is
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: say stuff that sounds nice. It's all sent to mentality.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It's all like, well, don't are you all gonna give
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: men jobs? You mean, like government jobs? Like what if
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: men want to open their own businesses, how are you
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: gonna help them with that? Or are you gonna are
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: you gonna show preference to women? Because I guarantee that
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: if again, if it comes down to it. Women are
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: gonna come first anyways.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well if they create government jobs immediately they'll say, well,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: men vote for us, we will make sure you And
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: then if if it is even a sector, I mean,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: even if they because I don't think Obama said to himself, hey,
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: why don't I create a whole bunch of jobs for men. No,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: he just said, Okay, infrastructure is something we could use.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: I think everybody can agree fifteen years out that the
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: infrastructure could have used a little bit of sprucing, you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: and come in and say no, because that's gonna go
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: more to men because men take infrastructure jobs.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: You're not.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Chief says hey, yeah, this is raising men's wages. No,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: you mean raising the minimum wage for everyone? Right? This
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: never ends up helping.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Men, right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: And the other thing is is that a lot of
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: guys realize you raise the minimum wage and then everything
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: becomes more expensive. So raise you raise the minimum wage
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: from seven to fifty to fifteen bucks. Right on that
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: seven point fifty you could buy two happy meals.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: On that fifteen bucks you.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Can now buy three quarters of one. Do you understand
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: that you haven't raised people's wage, You've had it it's
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: just a number.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: What matters is what it can buy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And you have to think about it much more systematically,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: much more in terms of dynamics in a system, to
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: understand that what you're doing is ultimately harmful. Accept accept
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: to the people who benefit from inflation. Guess who those
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: people are, Ladies, big corporations, politicians, the people who have
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: the first, the first run at the money that that
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: just be.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Gets printed off. Not printed off, it's creates a loan.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: They get the money, they get to spend it first,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: they get the two happy meals at seven point fifty,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: you get to down the line pay fifteen bucks for one.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: That's how it works. This is all to benefit and
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: this is this is why, like I I I ended
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: up detached. I don't think I changed in terms of
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: my actual principles that much since I was like when
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: they late, when lay I laid them down in my teens.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: The left that has gone.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Where did you you went into becoming a mouthpiece to
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: corporate government collusion, to to to apologia for corporations who
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: get that first first influx of government cash. Like who
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: are you and who do you really advocate for?
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I'm gonna play the rest of this,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: the fact that y'all don't actually have any policy plan
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: to keep making this into some kind of big joke of,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, let's send her to every frat house in
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: the country. I'm not afraid to go into frat houses
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: or to go to college campuses, or to talk to
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: a public.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you have nothing to fear. Those guys aren't
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: going to hit on you. But anyway, I'm sorry, I
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: couldn't help you.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Even if she was attractive, she'd have nothing to fear.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she I don't think that's what she's saying.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: It's because, unlike y'all, I don't think that they're all
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: shallow assholes.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I think that they're.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Actual people who can hold a conversation, clearly based off
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: the way you talk about them and the way that
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: you treat them. Who think that they're dumbest shit I
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: actually don't talking about I'm going to continue.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: She's claiming that the Right thinks that frat guys are
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: are dumbest shit.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, because the Right thinks that they'll be open to
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: their the right's message, and the rights message is dumbest shit. Oh,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: this is a great premise for actual I think I
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: think these men that I'm going to appeal to will
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: realize that they're believing stupid shit from stupid people. But
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're stupid because they could potentially with
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: me and do what I say and that would make
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: them smart.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Great, great message there.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Well, at least men are the ball now it's been
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that is a good thing.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, to get the policy agenda.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And I mean I think that I would hope that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: men can see through this and realize that that's all
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: This is about this is a political football for power.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It's not about actually doing anything for men. Like do
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Let me ask people in the audience your thoughts when
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: governments create jobs, are they actually creating jobs? Or is
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that or or is that just like another thing that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: we spend government money on.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: To advocate for young men to get the policy agenda
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: that they do deserve. And I'm going to continue to
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: lose weight and then maybe when I finally do drop
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: that next sixty five pounds, we can revisit this conversations
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: that can actually stand on business. Because this time none
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: of you fucking did got.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Them, I guess Donald Trump Junior on suicide watch. I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: not going to presume anything that she's claiming that they
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: have said, because she's obviously the only concern with optics.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So but I don't know.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is really just about using men to win,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: because they realize that's what they have to do. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I've and I've talked about how leftists are only concerned
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: with winning.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: They're not. They don't have principles. They just they just
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: have goals. That's it. You know.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: They say there are no there are no bad tactics,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: only bad targets.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: That's that's their mantra.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: So yeah, well, and also maybe they should take a
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: leaf from the Republican playbook and actually put if they
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: want to use a woman, I don't know why, why
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: can't they find a man? Honestly, But you know, I don't.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: The thing is that the other thing that's tricky about
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: it too, is that like men as a group generally,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: they're they don't really need somebody to come and be there,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: like Avatar. They just want people to address the issues
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: they care about. Right, So if you say, like, for example,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the men who voted in the last election, none of
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: them voted because they were voting in favor of men's interests.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: They weren't saying, I'm voting for a male policy because
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I'm a male and I care about that because I'm
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: a man. None of them did. They were voting on
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: things that everybody would benefit from. They were thinking about
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: what is best for the country, what is best for
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: their family, what is best for their community. They were like, oh, yeah,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I care about the economy, I care about immigration. I
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: want to be able to afford the groceries. I want
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to be able to buy a house. I care about
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: jobs coming over here. You know, whatever it is, right,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that's what they voted for. They didn't vote for things.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: There are no no male pet issues. They don't exist.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: All the things that men care about are like in general,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: like the bigger things now there are. It's not to
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: say that men's issues don't exist, but I'm saying that
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: most men don't vote or act in the world around
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: those issues. That's not their identity. It's not you know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: whatever a male issue is. You know, I'm voting because
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be falsely accused of great or something.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, they might be interested if somebody said we're
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: going to do something about due process or title nine.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that that's what most men I'm
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: thinking about.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: So unfortunate because the more that this happens, the more
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: they're going to be screwed in those ways, and the
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: more we lose those principles that appeal to men and
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: men tend to uphold. Okay, let's move on to the
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: view and see if we can get through that.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: That's the conundrum of men, because it's like, you have
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: to advocate for people who don't generally advocate for themselves.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: So yes, yes you do, and sometimes maybe it does
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: require a woman to do that. I apologize, but it
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: seems like men have a trouble advocating for themselves. I
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: think partly because their sexual attractiveness is diametrically opposite to
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: their ability to express vulnerability. And I get it. But
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: on the other hand, these problems exist and they don't
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: fundamentally when men have problems, it's not just men who
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: have problems, it's all of society. And I rather like
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: certain aspects of society, you know, like lighting, electricity, sewer,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: so I'd like to keep those. So I'm going to
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: continue to advocate for the people who are mostly responsible
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: for maintaining and making sure that they're okay. You know.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: So this is it's bigger than just what makes people attractive.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: All right, let's do.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: The view speaking of attractive people.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: Okay, Since Trump scored big with young male voters last election,
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: Democrat Sauce spending twenty million dollars to learn how to
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: speak their language. You heard it, twenty million bucks just
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: to talk to boys.
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: So is this.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm just gonna pause it. That's not really that
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: much money. How much have they spent on women?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Billion?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: How many? How many billions of dollars have been spent
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: on women, like when they spend twenty million, Really, I mean,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's crazy that they think we'll just throw
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: money at it and that'll fix the problem, because I
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: think what's happening is that people are just pocketing that
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: money and they're going to put out a couple of
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: TikTok videos and be like, well, I guess I guess
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: all men are just misogynists.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can't save them while they laugh all
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the way to the bank.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: We identify an issue and then we just make our
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: board members.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just but we're the grifters. Allison, I'm struggling
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to pay my and everything because I do this. But
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'm the grifter, not the not the people walking away
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: with twenty mili.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: Anyway, what are you saying, Well, I think it's the
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: wrong way to go about the problem because the Democrats
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: are asking how do we get male voters? The disillusionment
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: of men is how do we care better about our
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: men and boys? Like it should be about how we
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: solved the root problems that drove men and to feel
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: like they had nowhere to go.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: You don't say, how do we Okay?
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: So part of the problem is that the Left and
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Democrats now are almost in diametric opposite to the thing
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: that men need to feel. And I'm using feel because
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: this is sort of like to try to bridge the language.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Men need a meritocracy. This is this is the thing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Like I talked to commis about this and ironically, no offense, guys.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I always find.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Commis easier to talk to than feminists.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: And I say to them, Okay.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: That's yeah, you got great, great ideal ideal, a great utopia.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: You got there, But where's the meritocracy?
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Okay? Because men want.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: To engage in in cooperative competition in order to gain
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: social status because that is an aspect of how they
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: become attractive to the opposite sex. So where is the
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: meritocracy for them to do that? And also, every society
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: throughout history that's been effective and not slowly dying has
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: had a meritocracy, a recognition of the achievements of men,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: a way for people to work hard and gain.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Some kind of status.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Every effective system has had that in the past, right ours,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: ours is capital. You know, I'm not sure what serfs did,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: but it was a very very static system, not very
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: not moving forward. I don't want to use the word
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: progressive because it's eincted. So where's the meritocracy? And I
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: always get them to pause, and I said that the
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: meritocracy is the best way to incentivize productivity. Societies that
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: don't have it tend to be stagnant or imploding. Societies
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: that do tend to be expanding and tend to be
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: improving the standard of living for everyone. And it's something
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: that men want to buy into. Okay, it's why they
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: do organized sports and why they are constantly inventing new
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: organized sports or way to recognize even like things like
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: sort skateboarding and other kind of stuff like it's that's
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that is what they do. Women don't create organized sports.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: You notice that, like maybe quilting, I don't know, knitting,
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: organized knitting that would be a yeah, yeah, but that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that is a sport that women do. Did women create volleyball?
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: No?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Men create these things. And that is the best way
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: to incentivize productivity. And I would say that the commune
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: is okay, so where is it? And then they go
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: off and they be like, oh, you've got a point,
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: and then they leave.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And that's why I prefer talking to them, all of them.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Some of them are crazy, but a lot more are
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: not crazy relative to feminists. But but regardless, where's meritocracy?
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: And to get back to what she's saying, she's talking
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: about how do we.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Help men and boys? Well, one way.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: You can do is by safeguarding the meritocracy, the meriticratic
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: movement in our society, which you're not doing because you're
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: all mouthpieces for too big to fail and gigantic government deficits.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Like do you see what I'm saying. It's like that
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: is the exact opposite of relying on the meritocracy for productivity.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: If we went into like economic stuff, we have Austrian economics,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: which is pure reliance on the marketplace or the meritocracy
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: for productivity. Then we have Keynesian when we have a
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: market downturns government.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Well you can't hear me, No, Kensian is Kensian.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you Kensian.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: That where we have a downturn in the market, the
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: government goes in and does some spending, maybe an infrastructure
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: or something, to try to spur the market back up.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: And now we have modern monetary theory, which almost everybody
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: in the media and politics is behind, which is everything
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: in the economy is directed by the government. So it
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: is one hundred percent against that. Meritocracy.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Sure, there's another word for that, but okay, modern, we'll
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: go with that. We'll go with that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: What what word did I use?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: You said, modern monetary theory.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, well, we've got to hide it. You know, everything
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: is directed by the government. The economy exists only because
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: the government exists. It's a top down system. There is
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: no movement in it. It's static. It's basically just feudalism,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: modern feudalism. And these individuals are the ushers for this
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: modern feudalism. And where is the meritocracy for men? It
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: doesn't exist. So that on a fundamental level, if you
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: are promoting modern monetary theory in which the government controls
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: everything in terms of the economy, you are basically destroying
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: the meritocracy, the marketplace where men compete and cooperate to
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: create social value and they're compelled to do it, and
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: that thing is the engine of productivity throughout all of
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: human history. Okay, I apologize for my rant.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play more.
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: We reverse produce it to get a vote. That's it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: a waste of money and it's a vapid approach at
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: a real problem. Do what Governor Wes Moore is doing
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: right now. He's directing his administration to implement targeted solutions
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: to uplift men and boys. That's going after the statistics.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: And when he was here on our show, he said,
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: the data speaks for itself. This isn't an opinion. So
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: look at data and solve problems. Don't try to solve
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: elections by reverse producing votes like it just doesn't make nothing.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't wait for the feminists to come
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: in and say, wait a minute, this is this is
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: impacting women.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guarantee it. I guarantee it. He's going
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to fail because there are going to be groups that are.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Going to show up and they'll be like, wait a minute,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what you're doing here, but
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: this isn't benefiting women enough, and uh and be you know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: if he's Democrat, he's gonna have to fall in lines.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Well that that narrative, that narrative that they have, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: feminist narrative that's basically woven into the fabric of the left,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: which also justifies government control and becomes almost the moral
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: impetus towards wanting government control. I mean, like you said,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: eventually some feminist is going to pop out of the
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: woodwork and start saying, Hey, those infrastructure jobs are going
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: to men.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: What's up with that?
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: That's a really nice infrastructure bill you got their Obama.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: Shame if some feminists were to shit all over it.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, a shame if I called it misogynistic.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: Things has authenticity like spending twenty million dollars to pay
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: consultants and strategists and focus groups to tell you how
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: to talk to a certain audience that specifically says to
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: virality in these male spaces like what made Joe Rogan
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: or Joe boy some of these manners.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, what it's just, it's like a lizard trying to
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: understand a mammal.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Look, Ultimately, all they're saying is they're not saying, let's
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: look at what men's issues are and try to address them.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: All they're saying is we have to spend money to
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: figure out how to get their vote. That's it. Yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: but the goal is to just get their vote. They
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: don't care about your comfort. They don't care about your issues.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: They don't care about your problems. They don't care about
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: how poor you are. They don't care what your mental
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: health state is. They don't care that you don't know
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: who your father is. They don't care that you've been
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: accused of rape and got thrown in jail unjustly. They
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: don't care about anything but your vote, because all that's
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: about is power, which is why they can never solve
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the problem, because it would tear down their fundamental belief system,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and that's the only way they can fix it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: If they have to kill the.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Belief system, they won't do it because that's why the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: only they're like, well, we need a Theovonn for the left.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Theovonn was on the left. He probably still has a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: lot of liberal views.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: But because you have it in your head that you're
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: just a better person because you have the right belief
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: system and anybody who doesn't line up with it is
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a bad person, then you assume that, oh, we just
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: need our version of that guy. But because he's our version,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: he's going to be a better person, and then we'll
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: get the vote because that's all we want.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Well, it's very simple. They just want the votes for men.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: They don't care about anything else.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: There was a moment where they were saying, well, let's
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: just talk about solutions. That woman was right, and that
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: guy like you said, good luck to him, good luck
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: to him, And that actually would be a decent kind
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: of a left for men, would be actually extending compassion
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: to men and saying, hey, they have issues, they're struggling,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: let's institute government policies to improve that because we rely
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: on their work to exist.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: That's actually not a bad idea, Like if you.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Have to have government solutions to anything, fixing the infrastructure,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: helping boys in school, making sure men don't have an
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: have something aspirational, can actually have families.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: These would be good things.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Actually, advocating for men's issues would be a good idea
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: because we would be fixing the system rather than letting
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: it corrode further. But they're not interested in that because
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: so yes, eventually that that that governor is probably going
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: to find some feminists popping up and saying, you're helping boys.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: You can't do that, you can't help them.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Well, they probably want men to support the system like
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: just enough without actually.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Giving them anything.
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually like trying to like deal with their issues.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: I wanted to point out is now they're talking about
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: the syntax. They're talking about how supposedly men speak so
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: that they can use their message right and put it
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: in men's words in order for men to accept it.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: So they're looking at it, so, how what tone can
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: we use to open men balk?
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: But they want they're trying to they're trying to figure out,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I think the language of manipulating men, which is essentially
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the male version of whatever they used to manipulate women.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to figure out, like, well, we know
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: how to talk to women because we have them on lock,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: especially the people who watch the view, which is most
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: women who stay at home that are either on welfare
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: or to stay at home moms, like in the suburbs
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: or something. We already have them unlocks. We know how,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: we know the language of women, so we use it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: So again, it's not about caring about women's issues. It's
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: about securing their vote. And they know how to do
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: it because they got the syntax right. They're they're casting
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the correct spells on women. Words.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: What it is, it's it's using words to control people.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: That's what the magic is.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: And they're trying to figure Yeah, they're trying to figure
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: out the enchantment that works on men, and that's what
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: they're struggling with right now.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And of course that's works boobs.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like even then, I think that men because
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: you remember, okay, remember when there's a couple of things
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: where you can get glimpses of this. Okay, So the
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: army put out some ads and they were appealing to
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: like women. They were they were feminine coded, they were
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: feminine in their construction.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: It was the the ad with the girl.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: It was the animated thing and it was like a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: girl and she was raised by two moms and they
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: were they were feminists. They were fighting for gay rights
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: and so on, and the woman went on to become
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: a soldier.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: So it was like a military.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Ad, and I don't think they they thought that it
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: was just like this really feel good sentimental thing, but
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: it did not attract men at all because it wasn't
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: aimed at them.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: But it was also helpful that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: We weren't in you know, we weren't at war at
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the time, but then Russia invade Ukraine and then October
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: seventh happened, and all of a.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Sudden, we needed to go to war. So what did
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the military do.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: They put out an AD with a bunch of sweaty dudes,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: white dudes in military gear jumping.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Out of helicopters and really shit.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Because they were like, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, we
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: need men now, we need to go to war.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: We need men, So we got to like advertise to
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: men now.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: That didn't work either, because the men saw the average day,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: they saw what was going on already that they were
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: getting shited on by the military, by the government, by everything.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: And then you could if you look in the comments
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: under that second ad, they were like, I'm not dying
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: for this country, and that that was the all of
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the comments right, So it didn't work because simply altering
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the language is not enough for men. They're not concerned
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: with how you approach them. They're not concerned with sentiment.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: They're concerned with outcomes. They're concerned with physical things in
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the world, or at least that you get the fuck
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: out of the way so they can do it themselves,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: because that's how they operate.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Same thing with the bud Light commercial.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: If you remember, we got the bud Light thing with
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Dylan mulvaney, and you know, he was like putting out
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: ads and bud Light lost billions of dollars. So Budlight
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: tried to, like, you know, change course and they start
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: putting out ads that were aimed at men, but they
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: were clearly written by a woman because it was a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: bunch of dopey, overweight, you know, guys with beer bellies
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: hanging around the grill, and men were like, this is insulting,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: you know, like it was basically the Homer Simpson effect
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: for an ad.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: And I think that.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Like the only I guess bud Light kind of recover
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: when they hired Shane Gillis to help them do advertisement
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: because they like Shane Gillis, because he's kind of like
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: a man's man, you know. But the point is is
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: that they have a problem marketing to men because they
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: just don't under stand men and they think that men
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: are just women that have slightly different you know, special needs. Yeah, yeah,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: different spells, a different build, right, and it just doesn't work.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: And I think that ultimately, what it reveals is that
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: these people don't really have an interest in making anything better.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: It's just like different ways of controlling people, and they
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: have lost control.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Over the men.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's their concern. Okay, let's watch a
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: little bit more.
• 54:26
  Speaker 9: All right, your guys huge, But there's a level of authenticity.
• 54:30
  Speaker 9: I've listened to a lot of both of them. I
• 54:31
  Speaker 9: don't agree with a lot of what they say, but
• 54:33
  Speaker 9: there's an entertainment value and there's a this is just
• 54:35
  Speaker 9: somebody shooting that, you know what. It's not this like
• 54:38
  Speaker 9: structured hyper I have to think about what I'm going
• 54:40
  Speaker 9: to say, I have to consider it twenty different ways, focused,
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: groupit and teste. And I think that's where democrats are missing,
• 54:47
  Speaker 9: is there's like some sort of an authenticity.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: They don't know what authenticity is. That's what they're missing. Yeah,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: because did you know that just hilarious?
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Women are like what is men?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: How men do?
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Got to observe them?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's freaking hilarious.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Keep going, Brian, Sorry, yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: We need some David Attenborough.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, the female is confused the men natural environment.
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: To the problem that they have. But I also would
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: note Joe Rogan was a Bernie bro Democrats actually lost
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: Joe Rogan. They had their own Joe Rogan and then
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: alienated him with policies. And the most common things that
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: I hear from men who came around to supporting Trump
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: and maybe we're open to other alternatives was they feel
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: like they want to be able to provide for the
• 55:30
  Speaker 9: future and build wealth, and they don't want to be
• 55:32
  Speaker 9: ashamed to say that they want to provide and they
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: want to have money. And then they do see these
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: statistics of how men are falling behind, and they want
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: to be able to highlight it and talk about it
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: but not be pushed back that you're saying, oh, well,
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: you're excluding girls and women if you want to advance men.
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: And finally, this idea that they feel like even when.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, let's exclude can we please exclude men and girls
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: or women and girls for a little bit. Can we
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: consider that this might be a solution to things like
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: why do women and girls have to be everywhere and
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: be everything?
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: It's not working, you know if men, if men are
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: in their rightful place in a family, they don't need
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: the government at least not nearly as much. And that
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: is a threat to these people.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's what I've been saying.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: A man who is allowed to be what he is
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and his right to pursue his goals and realize his
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: ambitions is a threat to statists and feminists alike. And
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: the reason is because they don't need them, and that's
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: what they're worried about. That's why they're trying to figure out,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: how do we like because she's even saying that it
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: looks like men want to be left alone to pursue
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: their goals and like you know, in a home with children, Yes,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: men want families.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Women are the ones that don't.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Women are the ones that are out here trying to like,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you know, be in there in their Yeah, they have,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: but I mean they're living that out. But men, by
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: and large, they just want peace. They just want to
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: be like, have their little piece of heaven and then
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: live out their life. But these people can't let them
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: have that because it's a threat to their power.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: M hm.
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: So all right, they're well intentioned, they're like one misstatement
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: away from getting canceled. Like, I think we need to
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: have a culture that's more forgiving if people are trying
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: their best, if they don't use the right terminology, if
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: they don't use the right phrase, as long as their
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: intention is they're this sort of like crazy cancel culture
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: is really turned young people.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: We're talking about excluding women and girls. This is what girl,
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: women and girls do. Everything has to be right. Well,
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: you are actually slowing down the process of communication by
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: doing this, yep, Okay, continue.
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: Look, I don't know that you learn how to talk
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: to men by being in a conference center at a
• 57:48
  Speaker 8: New York hotel hold up with strategists and experts in suits.
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: I think people need to go into the barrios and
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: the neighborhoods and the barbershops and then the places where
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: real people are.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: And I think one of the.
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: Problems that democrats.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Just this just really occurred to me.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Isn't it funny that these immensely wealthy women are basically
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: sitting back in their chairs and saying how do we
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: talk to the serfs? Yeah, how do we how do
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: we communicate with the common rabble? How do we do that?
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Isn't it fascinating that women are in the position to
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: do this? And I mean there are things that are
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: just flying over people's heads. That other woman said, well,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: how do we benefit men without excluding women and girls? Well,
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: by definition, in order to benefit men specifically, you have
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: to exclude women and girls. So basically you're saying, how
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: do we do something while not doing it?
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Well, they don't do it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: And then she also says, well, they don't want to
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: have to be constantly concerned about the right word without
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: asking yourself, well, who's determining what's right speech? There by inference,
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: it's women. These are people who are absolutely so inculcated
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: to power. These women and women and in general, I
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: would say, are so inculcated to power they.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Aren't even knowing.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: They don't even notice when they're demonstrating it. When they're
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: illustrating that, they consider themselves without even without even a
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: conscious thought, they act like they are first class citizens
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: talking about lower class citizens. I just wanted to point
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: that out. I don't know if people notice that. Yeah,
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: let's go, let's go to where the where where do
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: the peasants gather?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's totally that because she does not live
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: in the barrio. I guarantee you. I know she has
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: an accent, but she does not live in.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: The bo We got a super chow level the.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Chat or a super chow.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: We got a super child alex dollars. The Dems are
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: antithetical to men thriving. They'll just keep losing men. Precisely,
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: they are the party of a command economy of taking
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: out government debt and creating inflation, and then apparently trying
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: to chase the inflation and make it worse by increasing
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: the minimum wage. Right, and that all like in inflation
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: only benefits debt holders, It does not benefit It only
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: benefits the people whose wealth comes from debt, which is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: the government and lots of corporations. Now you know, it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: does not benefit us who have to actually produce something
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: in order to get money. So the increase in the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: minimum wage, if it doesn't come with a uh, if
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: it doesn't come with more buying power, it's useless. Increasing
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: the minimum wage benefits the people who are benefited by inflation,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: which is debt holders, which is the parasites. And it's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: so funny because I called out the republic the Republicans
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: on Fox for this a couple of weeks back, who
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: are talking about men and their women in their mom's basements.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: And it's like the media is a shield for the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: fact that the government is squatting in all of our
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: basements and writing checks that our asses have to cash
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: and eating away at our spending power through inflation and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: then saying, oh, well, we'll.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Just increase minimum wage.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: No fucker, stop eating my spending power by inflating the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: dollar with constant debt. All right, I'm done, good, Sorry, right,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: kissing me off.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: Just one of the things is like they keep talking
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: about how weak their brand is and how bad their
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: team is. I never met a man, I never met
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: a woman. I never met a human who wants to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: join a losing team. So maybe start projecting some you know,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: winning attitude that talks about how everything was terrible, it's bad,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: and he keeps winning standard.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: But the other thing is, I don't think he He's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: in some ways an accident of times and what we've
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: been brought. He was a perfect storm because what drove
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 6: people to this manisphere was people were saying a.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Minute, no, no, and Joe Rogan, they didn't say manisphere
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: at first, but I guess their manisphereisphere according to these people, Yes, yes, so.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: What Basically the manisphere is just men who have any
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: kind of platform whatsoever.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: The manisphere is non leftist, even formerly leftist men.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: That are no longer left. This man or manisphere men
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: now be good.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: The left is like no penises, my apply. So every
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: man with a podium is going to end up being
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: a manister because what look what happened to Bernie Broods, Like, yeah,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: ultimately it's just gonna be women all of their groups
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: and then the penis people, and the penis people can
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: only really associate with the Left if they bring something,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: some kind of tithing.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Manisphere is men they don't.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Like, do they like any man? Provisionally they do when
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: he's bringing them.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they if they're there are probably some
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: men that like if they if they surrender themselves.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's just gonna be women and men are
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: not going to be part of it. Men are not
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: going to be part of this class women plus purse puppies.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: Men are just gonna be able to come when they
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: have something to offer to tithe to the goddess.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's just keep going.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: All right, hold on, it's okay to be a man.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: You have value.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: I think the language around men with toxic masculinity and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: things were sometimes misunderstood to make men the project.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes misunderstood. No, No, okay, there are
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: women here who have a clue, right or they have
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: a sense that something is wrong, but they don't have
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: the ovaries to take it far enough. No, we need
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: to not care about excluding women and girls. We need
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: to be able to do initiatives for men and boys
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: and don't give a fuck about excluding women and girls period.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: And then right here, what she's saying, toxic math sometimes
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: misunderstand No, it's not misunderstood, because every time I've asked
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: anybody who uses the term, they can't identify anything positive
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: about masculinity. That is saying masculinity is toxic. Nobody's misunderstanding it.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Like this is the other things these people will say, Well,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: men need to be able, they want to have a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: place where they can speak freely without using the right term,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: which hurts these those terms that hurt our feelings as
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: women that make us feel un safe or called out.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: The men need spaces, And then they use a term
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: that you almost universally men are uncomfortable with, and they're like, oh,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: but it's occasionally misunderstood, you know, so maybe maybe we
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: like this and that the assumption there is that language
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: needs to be policed for the comfort of women, but
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: not for men. It's okay if we use shaming language
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: towards men.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: If we make them feel like they're worthless, that's fine.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Their emotions don't matter. And you know, again, I don't
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: think men actually really care that much about their emotions
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: in this instance, right, And that's part of the reason
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: why women have gotten away with this, because men aren't.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: They don't have like excessively long toes that always get
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: stepped on.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: But men have actually drawn the line.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Many men have actually drawn the line with toxic masculinity.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: They've said it's not helpful. You know, men are actually
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: speaking up. Maybe you should say, you know what, let's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: kick that out. That is not something we should be using. No, No,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: they're still going on with you know, sometimes misunderstood by men.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: You know, they just misunderstand it. That's the problem.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Maybe we can use the right spell and they'll understand it.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: All right, I got fifteen minutes. How do you want
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: to get to someone that also to play more of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: this or what?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like the clucking has started.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: I had a whole bunch of other stuff, but you
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: you've had a lot to say, Brian.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I'm well, I mean, isn't that the yes? I did?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I think I think that, like that's the point of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: You might have to abandon the view for now and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: go move on to the next item on the list
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: which I sent through. All right, So this this is
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: where you know, that's that's sort of where it began.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Guys, this is how it's going now we're checking.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: In or what am I? What am I looking at next?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: The guy with the fucking smirk?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy? Uh yeah, this is where.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: This is where we are now, this is how it began.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: This is where we are now and the and the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: quest for the Democrats.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: To appeal to men, right, Okay, here we go, Democrat activist.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: This is the introduction of Olivia Julian.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: The reason why Republican messaging resonates with men is because
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: men want bad things, right, men want to have sex
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: and like own women, right, like they want to dominate everybody,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: and Republicans say you get to do that, and then
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: Democrats can't say that.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: So we just lost the minutes over.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: Right, Okay, stop talking about like a lot of times
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: it will be men that are liberals who will like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 10: agree with that ship.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what do you like?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: What could you stop?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to I want to make sure
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: he's not taken out of context, because it sounds like
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: he's being sarcastic?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: Though?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know it just like this kind of starts
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: in the middle.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: So when he says, like I think he's saying that
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: the idea that men want to own women, he might
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: be saying that sarcastically. That's what I'm wondering about, Like,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, let me see if I can find the greater
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: context to this.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: I'll play the clip if you want me.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at his face, he sounds he
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: sounds like he's being a.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Bit like, Okay, let's listen to the whole thing.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Then all right, I'll who all right, well, quietly listen
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: to the whole thing.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 10: The reason why Republican messaging resonates with men is because
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: men want bad things, right.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: It's like men want to have sex and like.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: Own women, right, Like they want to dominate everybody, and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: Republicans say, you get to do that, and then Democrats
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: can't say that. So we just lost minutes over right,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: Like what are you talking about? Like a lot of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 10: times it will be men that are liberals who will
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: like agree with that shit.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, what do you like what is going on?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Like work?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of men that don't think that way obviously,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 10: and this is just such a negative view to take on.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: I see, Okay, well I also see so yeah, I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: think that he's being ridiculous. Although when he says a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: lot of men don't agree, and then he goes on
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: to say liberal men, that is exactly what I'm talking
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: about when I say liberals believe that they are just
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: the best people and everybody else is just not. That's like,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: that's like there's like step one, we're better people. Everything
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: else follows from that.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But to the point of the context, so is
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: he saying that liberals believe that conservatives or men want
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: bad things and conservatives actually give.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: Them those bad things.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: But it feels like there's I don't know, I'd have
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: to listen to this very carefully to extract what he's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: actually saying, but continue front.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: I also, I also think it's just so abundantly clear
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: that the people who say these things don't actually spend
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: time talking to young men. You know this because we
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: know each other in real life. But I spent a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: lot of time on college campuses.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: And I spend a lot of time young men. I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: love young men.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: I love frat guys. And in that I've realized, like
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: even the ones that identify as conservatives are almost always
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: pro choice. They're almost always pro gay marriage. You'd be
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: surprised at the number of them who support a Black
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Lives Matter And so I feel like people just kind.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: Of look into this box. Okay, that's because literally, like
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: what she's describing is the fact that so many men
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: are now excluded from the Democratic Party because the Democratic
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Party is becoming the party of single women and single
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: women's interests and desires. Like, yeah, there's the thing is
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: that it's like Joe Rogan used to be the left,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Joe Rogan, but because the left wants to control speech
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: because the left wants to control people's beliefs, because the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: left is a mouthpiece for the people who are pushing
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: government debt. And it's not just entirely the left. I
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: think a lot of Republicans are doing it too, but
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: that kind of government corporate collusion. You know, you're excluding
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: more and more men. And some of them, yes, are
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: going to be pro choice because they don't want to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: be silenced or be called toxically masculine. And some of
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: them are going to be gay, pro gay because they
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: are gay. And remember gay men are the straight men
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: of gay people, right, you excluded them as well. This
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: isn't This is so bizarre, Like the Democrat went through
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: this whole process of excluding as many men as possible,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: and then this woman is like, I am going to
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: go out among the men. Did you know that these
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: men have a variety of different opinions about things? Yes,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: because you excluded a variety of different men from your platform. Duh.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: And I don't think that it's necessarily The thing is
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: that she's calling these men conservative simply because they're not left,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: and many of them probably aren't conservative. Like this is
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: your problem. You keep throwing these groups of men out
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: like the Bernie Bros. Why did she talked to a
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: bunch of Bernie Bros. And she discovered that even though
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: now they're called all right, they don't actually have conservative opinions.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: They're part of the menosphere. So she went and she
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: talked to them, and she's like, oh, they don't have
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: conservative yes, because your party's excluding men, and men have
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: varied opinions upon things things. That's why it's insane that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: when we go over things like the Americanacy Psychology Association,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: which is asserting that men men masculine ideology. Have you
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: heard of that term? It's that men have an ideology.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: Masculinity is an ideology, but men have diverse opinions about
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: various things. I'm really scared, mostly that they're pro BLM,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: because BLM is not about being pro black, it actually
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: is really anti black man.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how she asked a question, because
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: if she if the question is do you think that
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: black lives matter, then you'll probably find a lot of
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: men say yeah, sure, and then she'll say, ah, then you.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Support the organization. Right.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: This is why I'm saying, we're dealing with people who
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: are using words as weapons and we have to be
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: very particular, to be very particular about how these things
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: are approached.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: So when this woman says, I know guys.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: That are pro choice and pro gay marriage and pro
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: black lives matter, first of all, I just have to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: take it as writ because she's telling me that she's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: but I don't know those men personally.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: But then she's also again she's doing this.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Thing where she is saying, here are the liberal beliefs,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: and they are the good beliefs, and these men follow
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: those good beliefs, because a man who doesn't is not
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: a good person, therefore not a liberal. Joe Rogan had
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: voted for Trump. Does that mean he doesn't support like
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: that he's no longer pro choice or does he actually
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: probably still believe whatever he believed. He just thinks that
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: this guy's better for the country. Like could that be
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: possible that it has nothing to do with like like
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: maybe for men, maybe there are certain issues that are
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: more important than other issues. Maybe like if you know,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: do you think that it's more important that women can
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: kill their unborn children or that we close our border.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go with closing the border. Like
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: there's almost like there's a hierarchy of what's important and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: men are acting in accordance with that, and she is saying, no,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: this makes you a bad person because you're supposed to
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: believe in all of these things equally and they should
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: be at the top of your list. And the last
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: thing should be your interests right as a man. Whatever
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: that is economic individual like economic let's say, the ability
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: to pursue my economic goals, my ability to buy a house,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: my ability to buy a car, my ability to get
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: married to a woman, have kids and like raise them,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: you know, have my own Ballerina farm.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Whatever. No that she doesn't agree with that.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's do the next one.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: The last.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that word. It was the.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: One I know. I know, Yeah, I don't want to
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: use the word.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm bringing it up here.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: Hold on, yeah, let's look at this.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, So this is this is this is about to today.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: When this happened today.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: Where we're at now, this is where we're at with
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: the Democrats appealing to men.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: So six days ago, this is like six days okay,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: So let's good hush ai.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: California Democrats turning twenty million dollars on TikTok dances.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I knew it.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: I said that I didn't know, but I told you
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: they were going to use it to do TikTok dances,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: didn't I say that, I didn't know that they actually,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: like literally were doing that.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: This is just money wondering. They're just they're just grifting
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: the money.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: They're gonna make a few TikTok videos which cost nothing
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: to make, by the way, and they're gonna say, well,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: that's where the money went, and men's still aren't coming over.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I guess they're just terrible people. We should shame them more. Yeah,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: so caliboun democrats learning what was.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: It gen z boss and a mini that thing?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. The ship this is is pathetic.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: This is a new level. Oh man, Yeah yeah, okay, yeah.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: You know what, you know what men would would if
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: you want to get men to vote, you know what
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you do? You basically like vow to end term limits,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: shrink the government more, lower taxes, close the fucking border,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: let them have their guns, let them start their own businesses.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: All the things that you are explicitly against, you would
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: have to give them.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: And that's why you can never ever attract.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Them, at least not in a significant amount, and shaming,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: shaming them as like women haters, that's losing power like exponentially.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah one, and like, I just if this is
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: what they're spending their money on, because as we know,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: if you remember the gen Z Boss and a Minithing,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: men really love that, and I know that it created
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: this gigantic kerfuffle on the internet in the war between
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the genders, and I think actually Sargon did a good
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: kind of breakdown on why men were annoyed by it,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: But essentially it's that, well, first of all, what my
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: breakground was this, okay, just to sort of get the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: sex is to understand each other. Which is interesting because
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: if the view at the very least is recognizing that
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: men sort of think differently, they process things differently without
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: saying that's wrong, some of the women on the view,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure the clucking started, and then everybody was
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: forced to go back into the sisterhood and into the sisterhoods,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: you know, crates where they belong, and.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: They could no longer those women could no.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: Longer even expressed the most marginal disagreement with the sisterhood.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that's where the clucking went, because I
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: could hear the clucking started. But regardless, they were recognizing
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: that men might have their own way of processing the world,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: their own way of talking, their own agenda perhaps, and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: that it was not illegitimate when I think, and correct
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong. When they did that little dance
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: in the workplace. What was aggravating to a lot of
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: men is something that maybe women can understand. If you
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: go home, if you're a woman and you go home
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: and the apartment, you know, there's stuff on the floor,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: there's dishes in.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: The sink, and a man and you go over to.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Your partner and you say, well, why didn't you clean up?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: And he looks around and he says, I don't see
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: any mess, right, Okay, And maybe he doesn't because the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: dishes are in the sink where they're supposed to be.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe the clothing is.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: Where he wants to keep it for whatever purpose, right,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: And maybe it's not a mess to him, right. So
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: you're infuriated because he doesn't see the world in the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: way that you do when men were watching that. Men
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: have a tendency, and this is what we found in
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: COVID to focus hyper focus on their work. So when
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: they're doing a task.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: They're just doing that task. And to see a bunch
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: In a workplace fucking around like that and an extended
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: manner was aggravating. But also to see these people fucking
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: around in the workplace after having all kinds of benefits
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: towards being there in the first place, for women is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: even more aggravating. So a lot of these guys are
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: looking at this. They had to work hard to get
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: into that position. They're screwing around in it. So it's
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: almost exactly the same as just men not understanding when
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: there's a mess. These women were making a gigantic mess
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: in the workplace, and men were infuriated by it because
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: it's just taking it not seriously, something that's so important
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: to them being taken not seriously. And I think that's
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: part of it. But it's like, now the Democrats are
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: doing the same damn thing. And what they're doing is
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: they're showing that what the politicians don't take their job seriously.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: They're not there to work, they're there to have fun. Well,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: let's all have fun in in Congress. Let's all do
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: our little dance, let's all make it a joke. Let's
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: let's just enjoy ourselves because it no real work happens here,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: no real work, and they're all doing it on again,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: those those loans, those that gigantic debt bubble that everybody
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: else and mostly men, have to pay for. So it's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: like watching somebody throw a party using your checkbook to
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  Speaker 4: underwrite it. Oh, you're having a lot of fun on
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  Speaker 4: my dime, are you. I'm sure that's really gonna appeal
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  Speaker 4: to men. That's that's really gonna make democratic lawmakers and
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  Speaker 4: policymakers who are just basically writing themselves big checks on
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  Speaker 4: men's dime, that's really gonna make them appeal more to men.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I wanted to point that out because it's
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  Speaker 4: even worse because those those women, they had their own
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  Speaker 4: skincare company. They were wasting their own time, right, they're
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  Speaker 4: wasting their customers time, but you know the customers were
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  Speaker 4: paying for them. You know, whatever they were, they were
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  Speaker 4: private company. These people are dancing on the male taxpayers dime.
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  Speaker 4: They're demonstrating how little they respect the institution they're part of,
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  Speaker 4: and how rettle they respect the work that they need
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  Speaker 4: to be doing, and they're doing it while cashing checks
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  Speaker 4: that maila cash male taxpayers have to cover. I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: that's really gonna I'm sure that's really going to be
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  Speaker 4: appreciated by men. Good grief, all right, that's that's just
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  Speaker 4: what I wanted to say about that, all right, Right,
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  Speaker 4: that's where the two twenty million dollars went. Brian, you're
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  Speaker 4: a profit.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I got a super child from Great Indoors for
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  Speaker 2: five dollars. And he says just a general remark, women
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  Speaker 2: hold up half the glass ceiling.
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  Speaker 4: All right, okay, all right, So that's that's about as
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