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Gene Borrello: John Gotti’s Grandson, Vinnie Asaro & Life After the Mafia (Part 2) · money loyalty legacy

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  You know what I mean? Because Vin was pushing for me
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  now. Vin by Vin wanted me in.
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  Was like all I needed in life to know that this legendary
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  gangster Goodfellas based on him Lapan's eyes.
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  This guy wants me in. Wow.
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  And my chest up to here, I was like, I'm happy.
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  That's all that matters. If I don't go in, I'm happy with
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  that. What up guys, this is Part 2
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  with Mr. Jean Borrello, the most popular ex wise guy on YouTube.
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  And just so you guys know, Jean has ATV series coming out soon.
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  And just so you know it, I'm Sopranos.
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  It's going to be awesome champ. Let them know what's up.
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  Track suits or nothing. One thing you haven't touched
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  on, can you talk about like your relationship with other young
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  wise guys, like say from other families, Like describe like how
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  that went like guys that were your age, say there was an
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  associate in the Gambinos or the Genovese, right?
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  Did you have got buddies and other?
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  Absolutely. So like describe like your
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  interactions with them or like what you guys would do together
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  and stuff like that, You know what I mean?
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  Like. So it's it's it's like this,
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  like you're you, for instance, you're a mob guy, you're from my
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  neighborhood, but you got recruited by a different family.
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  That's it. So basically, let's say French
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  is like my friend Burger. He was my best friend growing
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  up, real tough Irish kid. We're best friends with the guy
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  every day. I'm Banano, he's Gambino.
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  We still hang out every day. Same thing.
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  We just when it comes down to what you want, war, we'll decide
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  with our own people, but until then, we we're together, crime
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  together, everything together, hang out, sports, everything.
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  It's the same thing. It's it's not like, oh, I can't
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  hang out with you. You're a gambit.
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  It don't work. It's not like that, you know,
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  it's not like the movies. It's we all hang out to each
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  other. We all know each other, you know
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  what I mean? And we all hang on the same
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  social club even sometimes, you know what I'm saying?
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  So that concept of like it's separated.
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  It's not true. We're all.
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  Friends. Now would that be the same
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  thing? It's like, obviously, what'd you
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  say his name was? Burger.
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  Burger. Yeah.
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  So like you got, you have something coming, you know,
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  something come down the pipe and you're like, I'm going to get a
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  hold of Burger because that's my guy.
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  Yeah. As opposed to maybe a guy in
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  your crew. No, it's.
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  It's just. Yeah, that happens.
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  Well, you do it together, you know.
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  I mean, it's like a joint thing. Like you don't have to check in
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  with stuff like that. The only time you have to check
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  in, like when you're doing something, if it's like
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  something violent, like listen, Burger needs me to help him go
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  hurt someone because now you could put your people in
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  jeopardy, you know what I'm saying?
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  That you have to tell them what's.
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  Your family names. On yeah.
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  Oh, well, Ronnie's guy just did something with Burger and they
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  shot this guy, you know, something like that.
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  And then you have to check in and let him know what's going on
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  if there's a sit down, because now you didn't tell them what's
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  going on, you're blindsiding them and you'll get in trouble
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  for that. Like stuff like that happens.
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  Yeah. Was there any guy that was in
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  another family or even your family that was associate that
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  was your age? Any guy that was just like a
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  straight up yeah, like they couldn't fight.
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  I'm not just clowns. Well.
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  Like what? Like what are you doing in the
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  Maggie? But.
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  Fudgie, he was a guy. He he's the reason why we had
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  all our beefs. This kid was a drug dealer and
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  the stick up kids would just be like this.
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  Oh yeah, Pudgy get a little go rob him.
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  He would just give a rob once a week and like it was insane.
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  I'm like, bro, it was he was like a hurt.
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  I'm like go. How do you get robbed so much?
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  Like Ronnie G used to go crazy If this kid gets robbed one more
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  time because he's giving Ronnie 40,000 a month.
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  So Ronnie's like that's my goal in the go stream.
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  Treat him like protect him like you protect my son.
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  That's what he told me. I goes, I know the kids are
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  Herb. I know he's a punk.
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  Protect him. He gives me so much money.
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  I said, Ronnie, this guy makes us look like such jerk off every
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  time he's getting robbed. But once a week it's like tied
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  up in his house this week I'm like, bro, how many times are
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  you going to get robbed? I'm like, this is I end up
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  shooting somebody over it. You know what I'm saying?
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  Chris Kicknada, I end up, I'm popping him over it, you know?
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  How can you be in that life and not be tough though?
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  Because money like you gotta understand, like money won't,
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  you know, pull the blind and make you blind.
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  You know, a lot of gangsters get blinded by the money.
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  I will will say brothers do never been in a fist fight and
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  he's a rank. Imagine we taking orders from a
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  guy never been in a fight. But because you paid so much
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  money, I got to listen to you that we did on your life.
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  So it's like we get it bothers us, but money is, you know,
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  that's what they want. You know, Ronnie's like bro, he
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  gives me 40,000 a month. So Ronnie would do anything for
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  him. So there's guys that legit can't
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  fight. They're not toughest.
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  Never did nothing. No.
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  But bro, I'll tell you a better part about Pudgy.
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  I hate to embarrass him like this, but it is what it is.
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  His wife got tied up with him, right?
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  Tied up. Somebody tied my wife up,
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  slapped her in our ass. Made a mockery.
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  I find out who the guy is. He's my friend's father.
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  Chris Brewers. Chris Blood this 2013, I find
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  out years later, I'd go to Ronnie.
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  I says we're killing this guy. He tied up Pudgy's wife, made a
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  mockery of him, slapped her in the that sex offender.
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  He's got to go. Ronnie goes kill him.
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  But if Pudgy don't want don't come with you, you're not doing
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  it. I went to Pudgy.
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  I says we got the guy. You know, you've been looking
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  for this guy forever. I said I got the stolen call.
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  I got the pistols. Just just drive.
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  No, no, no, no. Well, no, no, no.
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  So what do you mean no? He tied your wife up.
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  I said, well, Gene is going to mess up the money.
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  I said you won't worry about your money.
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  This guy tied your wife up. He slapped her.
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  I said we're killing this guy. No, no.
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  I went back to Ronnie and I said, Ronnie, you don't want to
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  do it. He goes his balls.
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  Are you so mad? Yeah, how could?
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  Like that's a real story. That's on my dead Griffo's
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  grave. That's on federal government
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  knows that story. Everything he did not wanted to
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  retaliate for his wife. That's crazy.
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  OK, if someone tied up and which they would never would, but if
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  someone did do that to me when I was in that life, I would not
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  stop hunting you until I got you by any means necessary.
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  You know what I mean? So for a guy like that, he's
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  such a coward. It's a coward move, you know
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  what I mean? Were there other guys like that?
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  Yeah, there's a lot of them. There's a lot.
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  Yeah, there's a lot. What?
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  Do they do in jail? Well, we had one guy, it was so
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  pathetic. He was literally coming to
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  Ronnie, just wanted to be cool with us.
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  He just. Says he's going to laugh.
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  He owns a big construction company.
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  This guy's loaded. Why do you want to be friends
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  with us? I'm like, tell I'm like, why do
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  you want to be friends with us? Like, all right, so Ronnie goes,
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  oh, you all right? He goes, yeah, I just want just
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  just tell people I'm around you. I'll give you 2000 a week out of
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  my company. Why are you Ronnie?
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  A laughter. That's a true credit, huh?
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  Like he just wants to be known. Like, I'm with Ronnie and them.
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  That's my crew and we're laughing like, bro, this kids
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  are derelict. Like if we you're giving us 2000
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  a week, Ryan, 2000 a week just to say you're friends with him
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  like this is sad almost, you know, I mean, this is what goes
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  on in that neighborhood though. But I'm telling you, we're like
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  celebrities over there. So they want to be around you.
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  They want to look cool. Meanwhile, look at this.
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  We're doing to be. You know, I get mad because I
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  came up like real. I had to do all this crazy like
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  I'm getting set off suicide mission.
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  This guy's giving money. Like it's not right, bro.
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  I'm like, you know, I got proposed at a young age.
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  I was supposed to be a member. I got proposed at 27 years old,
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  but I I didn't get put into membership.
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  Well, there's a lot of reasons. I was way out of control at one
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  time. They would kind of skeptical of
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  giving me power. Yeah, I was caught on wiretap
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  because I was way out of control.
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  Like just bad. Ronnie was in prison saying
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  every day I'm hearing something new about this kid coming to me.
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  Can we straighten this kid out? This kid can be leaving people
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  over the street. You know, you can't.
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  You can't. So they that was one reason and
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  then Ronnie didn't want me on his list.
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  When you get straightened out, the FBI knows right away.
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  Boom, he's a member now put him on the list.
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  Ronnie on federal parole. I can't come near him.
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  No more automatic year for him. Contact with a member.
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  We have a list of people we can't go near when you're on
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  probation. It's just thick.
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  But I didn't even know half the guys.
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  Even though you're an associate. Though don't matter.
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  So the member changed. Membership changed it.
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  Once you're a member, that's it. He cannot hang out me no more on
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  federal probation. He'll get one year
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  automatically. So he didn't want that.
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  That was another excuse, you know, I mean, because Vin was
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  pushing for me now. Vin by Vin wanted me in.
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  Was like all I needed in life to know that this legendary
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  gangster Goodfellas based on him, Laponzai, this guy wants me
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  in. Wow.
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  And my chest, up to you. I was like, I'm happy.
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  That's all that matters. If I don't go in, I'm happy with
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  that. You know what I mean?
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  This is Vinny Asaro. Vinny Asaro, we talked about
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  that last. Time that was.
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  He trained me, man. We Speaking of Lufthansa heist,
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  we talked with your we spoke with your cousin, right Anthony
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  yesterday actually, and he was describing how realistic you'd,
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  you'd pointed out last time as well how real Goodfellas was.
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  He said Tommy De Simone used to pick him up.
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  Anthony said Tommy De Simone used to pick him up.
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  They used to go out together and stuff.
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  Did you ever relationship with any of the actual?
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  His sons. The sons of the sons.
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  Of Anthony Stabile, his son, he's dead.
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  So a lot of people, my neighbor died of drugs, I told you of
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  fentanyl. He's killed like 30 something of
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  my friends in like the last couple years.
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  They're putting in everything. So Anthony Stabile's son's dead.
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  He was tough guy, just like his father.
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  My grandfather, funny story, my grandfather used to be a driver
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  sometimes for robberies and on like bank jobs and things like
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  that. They would ask him you want to
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  be a driver, He'd go, well, who's going you go?
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  Anthony Stabile Tommy, they not going hang up the phone.
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  They go in there like this like it's, you know, they were just
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  going there shooting people and they were just crazy.
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  You know what I mean? So you would never go be a
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  driver for them. Anthony Steele.
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  Those characters were really nuts.
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  You know, those are real guys. Tommy Desimone, Joe Pesci played
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  him with short, but he's really tall and skinny.
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  My grandmother said all the girls thought he was go look and
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  all the girls like them. But he was a notorious, you
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  know, lunatic that mean running the streets.
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  But I never had any interactions with them.
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  But all their relatives. So like I said, Howard Beach is
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  all boom, The fathers will hang out, the grandfathers and the
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  little kids. So everyone knows each other.
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  You know what I'm saying? So that neighborhood was just,
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  that movie was based on our neighborhood, basically.
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  Ozone Park, Howard Beach, Goodfellas is based on our
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  neighborhood, no. Yeah, We also discussed Anthony
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  had a close relationship with John Gotti Senior.
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  Yes. We never asked you about that,
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  just John Gotti senior. But what did you think of John
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  Gotti senior? Did you, What did you think of
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  him just in general? Like what were your thoughts
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  about him? Did you look up?
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  As a kid, obviously, but yeah, he's a gangster man, don't you?
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  Look up to him. I mean, that wasn't my era.
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  I mean, you see him on TV and things like that.
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  My my family obviously knew them very well.
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  You know what I mean? I didn't know him.
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  I knew his family very well, like his nephews, his grandkids
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  was one of my best friends. His youngest grandson was my Co
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  defendant actually worked me directly.
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  But him, I would just say this, he broke all the rules.
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  He's like me. He didn't follow the rules.
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  Look, This is why I said it the last time.
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  He's just like me. He I liked his style.
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  He didn't follow the rules. He did what he wanted and he
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  saved his friends. That's why he killed Polka Slam,
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  because he didn't want his friends to die.
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  You got to respect that guy. But he didn't do that for no
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  other reason. He says they got the wiretaps,
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  they know he's selling drugs. We got to get him.
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  We're all dead. He saved his friends.
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  He's just like me in a way. I mean, obviously I'm not him,
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  but he's status. But I like his personality.
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  Those are the kind of guys I like to be around.
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  Then you saw same way, those kind of people.
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  Yeah, I like those kind of guys. That's a real person, real guy.
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  You know I stand the first people back, correct?
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  Yeah. I got your back.
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  You know, Vinny always told me on I always have your back.
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  Just tell me the truth. What's the situation?
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  I'll always have your back, you know.
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  I mean, yeah, he never ever like, you know, always told me.
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  I got you. Don't worry.
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  You, you were a fashionable guy, right?
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  Did you like the hand painted ties and all that stuff?
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  No, you weren't a fan of John Guys fashion.
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  No, I'm not a suit guy at all, right.
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  I told you I used to get yelled at about it.
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  They said you dressed like a rapper.
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  I'm like I whatever wrote you know, we got this watch this
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  bezel flipping out. You know, I'm like, alright,
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  whatever, get a gold watch. You know they always complained
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  about my my style, but I said, well, we need the job done.
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  Don't matter what the I have a clown suit on.
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  It's getting done right. Does it matter what I'm wearing
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  Jordans on when I'm getting your work done?
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  Holy, is it? Is this right?
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  I just worry about what I'm wearing, I told my grateful.
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  You chasing the guy, tap shoes. Like come on bro, you go tap
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  shoes on where you go. What was you brought in his
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  grandson? Right.
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  Yeah, I. Recruited his What was?
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  What's his grandson like? Grandson was a tough wolf.
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  I told you his, his father, John, John Gotti's grandson, one
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  of the youngest ones, he's youngest.
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  John Cena's youngest son's name is Peter.
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  He was the toughest guy in the neighborhood at one time.
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  I told you when he come in the park, it's like Deebo's coming.
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  Everybody starts running, getting scared, you know what I
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  mean? He sees any gold drug.
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  I can say he kept the neighborhood clean, you know
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  what I mean? His, his son was about 16 years
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  old and he's already knocking kids out cold.
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  He had his father in him. His father was a tough guy.
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  He's already beating everybody up.
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  So that name was kind of tarnished because John Junior
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  was labeled no good. The name, you know, the Victoria
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  came out of the shell, gone up Gotti.
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  So the whole name was tarnished. So this kid, I kept saying he's
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  got it because I was always taught to recruit and that's
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  what we taught. See the bad guys?
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  Grab them. They got it.
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  Bring him in and he was a bad guy.
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  He. Was bad, this kid, I said.
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  I said I got 1 coming up and I told Ronnie.
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  Ronnie was doing time. He Ronnie was doing 7 years for
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  extortion on a stockbroker firm. He took like millions of dollars
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  from the game, seven years. So he's serving time and I told
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  Ronnie, he said little Gotti. I says I'm grabbing him.
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  He goes no you're not. I says yeah.
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  He goes no you're not bringing his jerk offs around.
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  I says no. I said he's not like them.
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  I says this kids good, I'm telling you he's got it.
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  I said I'm telling you I sent him to beats me up.
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  He busted the kids eardrum, his kids tough.
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  Long story short, I end up recruiting him.
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  I bring him in at 16 years old bro, I got to run around.
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  He's 16 till he's in his 20s. And how did you discover him
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  initially in the park? Just you.
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  Run around and says yo, you hear about this little guy that kid
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  beating everybody says what are you talking about little guy,
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  that kid, which one? He goes Peter son and says, oh,
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  that's why I said I've never watched a Peter tie people to
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  the pole strip him naked. He had one guy listen, there's a
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  guy in the neighborhood. Remember 21 jump sheet Richard
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  Rico. There was a guy in the
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  neighborhood that looked like him.
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  So all the girls liked him. Peter was mad.
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  Peter called him to the park, strip the naked to a flagpole
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  and was beaten up with a belt in front of.
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  Everybody wait, just cause the girls.
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  The girls like he locked He locked my friends brother on a
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  dog cage for two days. Really He locked him in a dog
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  cage on one way Ave. I swear it's a real story when
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  listen to my name when you know the story.
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  My friends brother got locked in a dog cage for two days.
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  He had to go get his brother of a cage because he said something
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  to Pete's girl for something. Had him in a dog count for two
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  days. OK, yes.
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  It was that he wasn't playing he.
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  Was bad, bro. And nobody talks about Peter.
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  He was talking about John Junior.
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  I'm like, but what about Peter? He's doing that torture to
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  everybody. He says, I mean, it doesn't make
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  sense. You bring up John Junior, bring
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  up Peter. He was the worst, you know what
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  I mean? And that was his son and he had
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  just like him. He was tough, just like his
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  father. Did he bet real quick?
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  Did he even know how long he would have been in that dark
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  cage if he didn't know? But you remember this is the
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  early 90s, so they're like royalty.
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  So when they're doing things to you, you think you're just going
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  to die. There's nothing you could do to
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  them. They're an army.
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  They're an army at the time. So they run the whole 5
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  boroughs. What are you going to say?
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  Magic, Magic. John Gotti's son picking you up
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  in a car and he's mad at you. What are you going to do?
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  You know what I'm saying? So they just hopefully they make
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  it out. You know what I'm saying?
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  This and just you got to just hope you're all right.
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  I told you when they were me, when I did the social club.
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  I remember I looked out the window.
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  I seen Ronnie and bike category myself as I went that says he
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  goes go get the stuff and they made me go to a few RuPaul
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  basement. I'm not going.
• 14:57
  I said I said a few RuPaul basement.
• 15:00
  I said I'm not going to a Fufaul basement and I go to myself.
• 15:03
  You know what I mean? But they do that.
• 15:04
  They do that to put you mentally they'll make you go to the most
• 15:07
  up places. Come meet me in the middle of
• 15:09
  the woods at 3:00 in the morning.
• 15:10
  I'm not going there with the I mean the woods for 3:00 in the
• 15:13
  morning and as you move something, well, eat a couch.
• 15:17
  What am I moving in the woods at 3:00 in the morning?
• 15:20
  I see, you know, paranoid. You dig the holes for you and
• 15:22
  you're crazy. Weed it out.
• 15:23
  You know you because when you're dealing with old timers, like
• 15:26
  when you're sorrow, you kill a lot of people.
• 15:28
  So at the end of the day, they smile.
• 15:30
  We're taught element of surprise.
• 15:31
  We're smiling you the whole time while they're killing you.
• 15:34
  You don't have friends that kill best friends.
• 15:35
  You know what I'm saying that I was talking about today, my
• 15:37
  friend told the Balker killed his best friend for the life we
• 15:40
  didn't even know unsolved murder from 2002.
• 15:43
  It was a mop hit. Nobody knew who did it. 2011,
• 15:46
  2010, I'd come home. This guy how he had a wire on
• 15:48
  for three years and I kept going to Ty said what are you so
• 15:51
  nervous about, bro? I said you dude, you're a you're
• 15:53
  a bookmaker. You get three years.
• 15:55
  He's like, yeah, bookmaker. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:57
  Comes out killed his friend, bro.
• 15:59
  You never know. He killed his best friend, shot
• 16:01
  him in the car and got 23 years for but I'm saying you never
• 16:03
  know that life you they stayed. We're taught always like this
• 16:07
  smiling and the guy shooting you back here.
• 16:09
  That's that's how we're taught. So with Vinny and Sarah, I used
• 16:12
  to get so nervous with him because I don't know if he's mad
• 16:15
  at me. And this guy killed so many
• 16:16
  people. Remember he killed Maury's wigs
• 16:18
  from Goodfellas. He actually killed that guy,
• 16:20
  Maury's wigs and put him on his property.
• 16:21
  He was, he's one of the guy. He wouldn't know that Maury was
• 16:25
  buried on his fencing company. Wow.
• 16:27
  This guy was a part of history. So when you're working for guys
• 16:29
  like this, you know how they resolve problems.
• 16:32
  They don't go dancing with you, you know what I'm saying?
• 16:34
  They're going to kill you, you know what I'm saying?
• 16:35
  So it's you got to, you know, I was walking on egg shells when I
• 16:38
  reported to Vinny. I was very militant with him.
• 16:41
  I knew Ronnie wasn't really a killer.
• 16:42
  He would if he had to, but he wasn't on it.
• 16:44
  Vinnie's a killer. The old timers resort to murder
• 16:48
  you. You can't handle it.
• 16:49
  Take him out. They don't resort to fighting
• 16:51
  and not kill him. You know, he wanted me to kill
• 16:54
  the janitor. Thank God.
• 16:55
  And I had to beg them to go talk to this guy.
• 16:57
  Guys, push his brooms. He put his hands on him.
• 16:59
  You don't know. Come on, we're going to kill a
• 17:01
  janitor. He had to talk it down into
• 17:03
  beating the shot the guy. But it's like, you know, I felt
• 17:05
  bad, like we're going to kill this guy's a boom pusher and
• 17:08
  Vinny was that's how their mentality is.
• 17:11
  He comes up in the 50s and 60s. You can't put your hands on a
• 17:14
  wise guy. You can't touch them.
• 17:16
  You can look at them wrong, you go.
• 17:17
  So that's why working with him was much different than working
• 17:20
  for Ronnie. It was two different worlds.
• 17:23
  Like Ronnie was a gangster, but Vinnie was like move like the
• 17:26
  real deal, you know what I'm saying?
• 17:27
  All in school. Now do you think, sorry, do do
• 17:31
  do you think they would do those things to you guys Like, hey,
• 17:33
  come down, You know, obviously when you talk about coming down
• 17:35
  in the basement, yeah, shop, you know, your heart's probably
• 17:38
  popping up your chest or like this year exactly to see to
• 17:40
  toughen you up. No, not only that, they do to
• 17:42
  make you think you're getting killed.
• 17:43
  This is what they like to do. You mess up with them, you break
• 17:45
  their rules, they'll tell you, come meet me in a junkyard in
• 17:49
  the middle of nowhere. You know, somewhere where you're
• 17:50
  like, wow, this is scary, bro. But remember, you have to go,
• 17:54
  right? If you get sent for and you
• 17:55
  don't go, you're labeled no good.
• 17:57
  You're chased. So it's it's a hit or miss.
• 17:59
  Everything work for could be torn out just like that.
• 18:01
  Can you imagine that? Think about all the work I've
• 18:03
  done, you know, right? Think of all the I told you I'd
• 18:05
  done in my life where it accumulates to like astronomic
• 18:08
  things, right? Imagine you send for me.
• 18:11
  I don't go all that's torn away everything I work for.
• 18:14
  Think about that. So with the mafia, they turn on
• 18:17
  you just like this. Boom, 1 little thing you do
• 18:19
  wrong, you get sent for, you don't go or you violate their
• 18:22
  rules and everything you did is thrown away.
• 18:24
  I do all this work for you now. I'm nothing no more.
• 18:27
  My money's gone. Everything's gone for one little
• 18:29
  thing. So like I said, it's it's a
• 18:31
  crazy world, man. It was really crazy.
• 18:34
  What you're describing like when you said that they'll have you
• 18:37
  go places where how old are you at the time?
• 18:40
  Like early 20s. What?
• 18:42
  Which situation was it for Paula?
• 18:43
  Yeah, I was 20, bro. OK, so like Ross and I were in
• 18:46
  college at the time and we were in fraternities.
• 18:48
  So they do like that where they have us go out in the woods or
• 18:51
  go in the basement, lights up and do all.
• 18:54
  Obviously we were at college, but they were hazing the way
• 18:57
  they. Tried to ban that though, yeah.
• 18:59
  Haze. Yeah, but I knew I was going to
• 19:00
  kill Dolph. Like that much?
• 19:02
  But you were getting, you were kind of with the haze, but in a
• 19:05
  serious situation in the Mafia, right.
• 19:07
  So you I'm saying I'm trying to present an analogy.
• 19:10
  For the people, but. It's the same kind of.
• 19:11
  Thing. Yeah, it was.
• 19:12
  It was. It's a bad feeling because.
• 19:13
  All right, so this is the line. Go cross that line.
• 19:17
  I was like 80 feet past it. So I was a habitual line
• 19:19
  crosser. And many of them used to tell
• 19:21
  me, you know, don't ever think you're bigger than the life.
• 19:23
  They used to. Oh, he's these famous line was
• 19:25
  don't ever think you're bigger than the life.
• 19:27
  Yeah, don't ever think you're bigger than the life.
• 19:28
  That's what you tell me and I tell him.
• 19:30
  What do you mean? He goes, you think you're bigger
• 19:32
  than the life And guys that were ranks will die.
• 19:34
  You disrespect that life. You could be a underboss.
• 19:36
  You break the rules, they'll kill you.
• 19:38
  So think about me. I'm just an associate coming up.
• 19:40
  Keep breaking rules. You're going to go, but that was
• 19:42
  the I wasn't in that era. Thank God.
• 19:44
  How? Did you get away with it all
• 19:45
  that? Because they liked me and I did
• 19:47
  a lot. Because Vinny liked Vinny loved
• 19:48
  me, so he kept you safe. He.
• 19:50
  Would make it like he didn't like me, but he really liked me
• 19:52
  because because because he would brag about me.
• 19:54
  I remember I was I did what I do.
• 19:57
  I had I did something for him and he was bragging about me to
• 20:00
  the other neighbors. Now I'm on you.
• 20:01
  Vinny's like really respected, well known guy through 5
• 20:05
  boroughs. So he's in an old neighborhood.
• 20:07
  And he's bragging about me. So I have to meet this guy about
• 20:10
  a situation with my cousin, something over a building.
• 20:12
  And when I met him, he goes, oh, it's a it's a pleasure to meet
• 20:15
  you. Goes Vinny talks so highly about
• 20:17
  you. I'm like, Vinny, who is this
• 20:19
  Sarah? I says, no, no, no, no.
• 20:20
  I said, you sure? He goes, yeah, Vinny loves you.
• 20:22
  And now it says, I was so happy. You know, I'm saying like, wow,
• 20:25
  and he's bragging about you run a neighborhood because that's a
• 20:27
  big thing, you know, especially in that life, you know, you got
• 20:29
  the top of the food chain talking good about me, you know?
• 20:31
  So, you know, it makes you like, you know, like I'm, I'm in it,
• 20:34
  you know. It's such an interesting dynamic
• 20:36
  because you're so much younger than him and you guys have so
• 20:39
  many different generations. Well, since my grandfather grew
• 20:41
  up together on the same block, since they're babies, we all
• 20:45
  know each other. You know what I'm saying?
• 20:46
  That it is dynamic. But in the mafia, remember,
• 20:48
  you're going to work. I explain this to a lot of
• 20:50
  people. Your boss can be 30 years older
• 20:52
  than you. There.
• 20:53
  You're a captain. You just got made.
• 20:55
  You're a soldier. You got to get put with a crew.
• 20:57
  He could be a captain for less 40 years.
• 20:58
  You put with this guy, you're into a guy.
• 21:00
  It's 80 or 30. That's the way it goes.
• 21:02
  That's the way the mob is, you know?
• 21:03
  I mean, you're most of the bosses, the family.
• 21:05
  You're not gonna be. It's not like the gangs or I'm a
• 21:08
  big homie. A 25.
• 21:09
  No such thing, is it? You have to be on record with a
• 21:12
  wise guy for 10 years at least, even to get proposed as a
• 21:15
  member. Then when you get proposed as a
• 21:17
  member, your name goes around on a list and they have to approve
• 21:20
  it. Oh no, he's no good.
• 21:21
  He owes money. You got to clear it out first.
• 21:24
  Then you get straightened out, and then you get put with a
• 21:26
  captain, and that's how it goes. It takes years.
• 21:29
  Yeah, I, I got to present something since we're talking
• 21:31
  about this generation gap. So Adam, the guy that's going to
• 21:35
  be working with us, we won't give away the details of this.
• 21:37
  So, but he presented an analogy where for example, back in the
• 21:41
  day, you would pull up in your car like bumping $0.50, right?
• 21:46
  And then you get out of your car and you walk into social club
• 21:49
  and here's this older gentleman listening to Frank Sinatra in
• 21:52
  his suit or whatever, right? Like that opening scene of
• 21:54
  something, right? Like it was it like that where
• 21:57
  he like you one? 100% or that pumping Romanza.
• 22:00
  Yeah, the song I'm over here popping, you know, but we said
• 22:08
  social clubs member and the club were all hanging out, you know,
• 22:11
  it was such, it was such a different era.
• 22:12
  But everything that is so true what you said, you know, I mean,
• 22:16
  so I said we'll pull up pumping $0.50.
• 22:17
  They're pumping from Monza. But the thing with that is that
• 22:20
  at the end of the day, they always have my back and we
• 22:24
  always got along and they always respected me.
• 22:26
  Even though they said you wear your Yankee hat to the side and
• 22:28
  they used to get mad about it and you look like a rapper, go
• 22:32
  hang out and fall Rockaway. I said, well, when you need the
• 22:35
  job done, I'll wear a clown suit and it won't matter.
• 22:38
  I I said don't worry about it. But like I said, they respected
• 22:41
  me. They did.
• 22:42
  That's one thing I can say the mob guys, the old ones, they
• 22:43
  respected me because I was like them.
• 22:46
  They didn't respect the guys that just give money.
• 22:48
  They like the guys like how I was hands on, brutal, no
• 22:52
  nonsense all about that, that life, you know what I mean?
• 22:56
  So you can never stay in front of old time.
• 22:58
  All the mob ain't the same. They'll go off on you.
• 23:01
  Yeah. These are guys that put their
• 23:02
  whole life into it. They don't want to hear that,
• 23:04
  right? You think they want what are
• 23:05
  your shit to get? Totally.
• 23:06
  Don't say that in front of them. They don't want to hear that.
• 23:08
  So, you know, that's what it was.
• 23:10
  So it doesn't matter how old they were, say 67 years old,
• 23:13
  they even though they're probably more frail in an older
• 23:16
  age, they still are tough, right?
• 23:18
  They saw that at least their mentality, right?
• 23:20
  They they never stopped being a gay.
• 23:22
  They didn't lessen as a gangster as they got older in age.
• 23:25
  They get worse as they get older.
• 23:26
  Just they see none. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:29
  They're still ordering crazy because they're getting crazy,
• 23:31
  you know? I mean, they're older and
• 23:32
  whacked out. Yeah, it's actually worse when
• 23:34
  they're older. Did you ever actually go out
• 23:35
  with them? Like to like the strip club or?
• 23:37
  Not strip club, but I would go with any of the Barroso all
• 23:40
  time. And what's that?
• 23:41
  It's like a restaurant. But when they go out, it's so
• 23:43
  different because, like, you know, they dress differently and
• 23:44
  everything. And, like, they still think it's
• 23:46
  like the 70s where they hang out their little girl.
• 23:48
  It's just different. The old scene, Yeah.
• 23:50
  You know, they're not coming to nightclubs or, you know, the old
• 23:52
  time is, you know, that's not their scene, you know, I mean,
• 23:54
  but they'll go to the restaurants, they'll hang out
• 23:55
  with you, you know, stuff like that.
• 23:57
  But they won't do nightclubs and nothing like that.
• 23:58
  But they would you. You'd be in the scene talking to
• 24:01
  women or socializing with people.
• 24:03
  Yeah, right. It's just, it's just fascinating
• 24:05
  to me into that generation. Yeah.
• 24:06
  You know what I mean? Like, say you, you know, you
• 24:08
  drink the gene and tonic, right? Yeah.
• 24:11
  Would you just be drinking the same drink as it?
• 24:13
  Like you guys real drinking? I got the drink from then,
• 24:15
  right? That's why I started drinking
• 24:16
  it, because everyone makes fun. It's a 80s drink.
• 24:19
  Yeah, I started sitting like, and I'm acting like, I mean, you
• 24:21
  know, because, you know, I'm always with him.
• 24:22
  Did you ever drink with him? Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:24
  And don't play cards. You can't play cards.
• 24:25
  Why? Why is that?
• 24:26
  He toast things at people. He's the worst.
• 24:28
  He's the biggest soul loser. Bro.
• 24:30
  He'll be playing cards. Literally.
• 24:31
  My friend bought him in the game Romino.
• 24:34
  It's a it's a time game we play. He bought him in the game.
• 24:37
  About an hour later he's throwing something at him.
• 24:39
  Me on the face. Bought you in the game.
• 24:42
  You found him. He just got you in the game.
• 24:43
  This is how he was. He was great.
• 24:44
  Don't play cards with him. Don't gamble with him.
• 24:46
  So what? Did you have to pretend to lose?
• 24:48
  Like, fake like, yeah. We hated when he came and played
• 24:51
  cards. Is it really the whole thing and
• 24:53
  he has to come? He's a tapped it on the
• 24:55
  committee. He sets rules to the film.
• 24:56
  He's guys sitting in my club and everybody just nervous.
• 25:01
  Like there goes the the fun of. The Super close to them, these
• 25:04
  guys look at him like ah, and I'm saying to me, he's just vid,
• 25:06
  you know, I love him, but you know he's crazy.
• 25:08
  So when you sit at the table with him, he's playing cards.
• 25:11
  Everybody's nervous. They don't know what to say that
• 25:13
  you know, you know they're nervous around him.
• 25:15
  Just like an. Awkward time and he looks like a
• 25:17
  gangster. If you see him, he's the
• 25:18
  glasses. He's not really kind of stone
• 25:20
  faced, you know, He looks like the guy from Jaws, remember?
• 25:23
  Roy Schneider. Looks just like him, which is a
• 25:25
  meaner version. And he's got the glasses and he
• 25:27
  sits there and he's just very militant and, you know, no
• 25:30
  nonsense. But he's, you know, you can be
• 25:31
  cool. He cracks jokes here and there,
• 25:33
  but for the most part, when you're playing cards and
• 25:34
  everybody's like, nervous. Do you think he knew that?
• 25:37
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 25:38
  And he, he probably, he probably did it on purpose.
• 25:40
  No, but he just just because like with him, there's rules
• 25:43
  with social clubs, no guards in the club, you can't bring guns
• 25:45
  in, you know a lot of things. So he'll make sure no fighting
• 25:49
  in the club. You fight in someone's social
• 25:50
  club the next day you get you get a beaten, you know, so
• 25:53
  there's a lot of rules. He'll make sure like you know,
• 25:55
  when he's around, just be on your PS and QS, you know what
• 25:57
  I'm saying? He's he's watching, he gets
• 25:59
  watching and he also wants to see what's being made in there.
• 26:01
  You know what I'm saying? So, you know, there's a reason
• 26:03
  why he's there, you know? Yeah.
• 26:05
  So did you have to change how you spoke to him?
• 26:07
  Yeah. Can you go up to him?
• 26:08
  Like, yo, what's up? Like you're like, are you like,
• 26:11
  hello, Sir, How are you? Like, how?
• 26:13
  What are you doing? But you do change how you talk.
• 26:15
  Like, really? Change how you act and talk
• 26:17
  around him. Really have to, yeah.
• 26:18
  So you're still a gangster, but you have to change.
• 26:21
  It's just showing respect for your elders, Yes.
• 26:24
  It's not like the elders you just gotta, you know, don't look
• 26:27
  like all in front of me. You know what I'm saying?
• 26:29
  How are yourself, you know, like, like a guy.
• 26:31
  So you have to, you know, he's watching.
• 26:33
  So it it it's interesting because you guys are all
• 26:35
  gangsters, right, But you still you can't say like what's up GE
• 26:39
  or something like that. No, I mean.
• 26:40
  Absolutely not. Hell of you.
• 26:41
  What the fuck you say to me? Anything.
• 26:43
  Yeah, yeah. So there's that to that
• 26:44
  generational gap. Yeah.
• 26:45
  All right. Is it the same with Ronnie even
• 26:47
  though he he's not as. So Ronnie is, I'll be honest,
• 26:50
  you Ronnie's not a friendly guy. He's not he's very like, how can
• 26:54
  I say it, hands on, but he he's not friendly.
• 26:58
  So like he'll sit with you, but you won't like you talk with
• 27:01
  him. He's not like a joke off.
• 27:02
  He's just not a very sociable people person like I am.
• 27:06
  He's the opposite. And if you, if you say something
• 27:08
  the slightest wrong, he's going to assault you.
• 27:10
  You know what I'm saying? Not as like a a bully, but like
• 27:12
  you don't play games like, you know, like you're not going to
• 27:13
  like joke around him and like it at all.
• 27:16
  Like those ways. Yeah.
• 27:17
  Not in front of people. What?
• 27:19
  We had a different relationship, obviously, you know, I was like
• 27:21
  his right hand man. So like, you know, you and
• 27:23
  you're closer with somebody. You have different relationship
• 27:25
  with them. But like in public, you can't
• 27:26
  like wrestle with him or joke around.
• 27:28
  You don't do that in front of people.
• 27:30
  You know, he's a, he's a, he's a rank and he's a very no, no
• 27:32
  nonsense guy and he makes millions of dollars.
• 27:34
  So he has that arrogance with him too.
• 27:36
  He's living in a 3.2 million hour home, 8 cause no job.
• 27:40
  We're all going to jail. Can't tell him that, you know
• 27:43
  what I'm saying? So, you know, he's very
• 27:47
  militant. Very.
• 27:48
  Were you like that or? Were you?
• 27:49
  No. I'm a people person.
• 27:50
  When they're not around, I'm a totally different person.
• 27:52
  They're around. I gotta act a certain way.
• 27:53
  But when I'm with everybody and they're not around, I could, you
• 27:56
  know? So a younger associate from the
• 27:59
  Genovese comes up to you what up gene like and he taps you or
• 28:02
  whatever plays around. You're cool with that?
• 28:04
  Yeah, not in front of people though.
• 28:05
  Not. We would never do that in front
• 28:07
  of nobody. You can't be a little nobody in
• 28:08
  front of nobody, OK? No joking around like that.
• 28:10
  No joking. Around, not really.
• 28:12
  Not in front of people privately.
• 28:13
  You know what I'm saying? You're joking.
• 28:14
  But if there's people around, you can't do that in front of
• 28:16
  people. Can't smack in your head in
• 28:17
  front of people. Yeah.
• 28:18
  Yeah, no, even joking like that, you just, it's very you must
• 28:21
  we're told to carry yourself as a man 24/7.
• 28:24
  There's nothing involved. You can't even talk to someone
• 28:28
  of that. Yeah, there's none of that
• 28:29
  stuff, you know what I mean? There's no none of it.
• 28:31
  It don't exist, you know what I mean?
• 28:33
  So you just must carry yourself as a man 24/7.
• 28:36
  That's it. No, there was AI want to bring
• 28:39
  this up? Yeah, there's this guy named
• 28:41
  you'd mentioned before named Peter Tuccio.
• 28:44
  Now I saw a picture that I was actually in New York where he.
• 28:47
  Put himself in an indictment. With his face.
• 28:49
  Yeah, I know, I know he. Got himself indicted.
• 28:52
  He was posting photos but I don't want to mention who he's
• 28:54
  with. He wanted to go to jail.
• 28:56
  He wanted to. Yes, he he used to work for me.
• 28:59
  Yeah. No, I know.
• 28:59
  Can you tell? Yeah, like.
• 29:01
  The kid is an idiot. He literally was taking pictures
• 29:03
  with Joey Molino. Yeah, we're going to court with
• 29:05
  Jeremy. Know Jeremy knows the boss of
• 29:07
  Philly. Everybody's watching this guy,
• 29:08
  you know, and they're like, who's this kid that keeps going?
• 29:10
  He's wearing like the 80s villain suits, like he was the
• 29:14
  turtleneck. I'm like, this is a joke.
• 29:16
  He's like he wants everyone to see him.
• 29:18
  You know, the he got the kids a little ballsy.
• 29:20
  You know, he was a right. He got chased by us because he
• 29:22
  had a bad mouth on him. My people on the beating him up.
• 29:24
  But. Why?
• 29:25
  What did he say? His Uncle Joey Cafe, his uncle
• 29:28
  was like a wise guy with a different family, but he's had a
• 29:30
  bad mouth on him and he was constantly lippy and just
• 29:32
  disrespectful. And to you, not to me, no.
• 29:35
  But he did it to a few people and I'm getting beat up.
• 29:37
  He got chased though. Like Philly, which is like the
• 29:39
  bottom of the barrel. That's like you're going to like
• 29:41
  the lowest end of the mafia. There's like 8 guys in the whole
• 29:43
  family. So like to leave New York to go
• 29:46
  to Philly, It's like you're going from like Hollywood to
• 29:49
  like Bollywood, you know what I'm saying?
• 29:52
  You know what I mean? Like literally like nothing.
• 29:53
  So he went to Philadelphia and he was posing pitches with Joey
• 29:57
  Molina all over the Internet and the feds go, OK, let's look into
• 30:00
  Peter Tuccio and Guy self indicted.
• 30:02
  Was he was he a tough guy? Yeah, he has some balls.
• 30:05
  He looks like, I mean, he doesn't, to be honest, he looks
• 30:08
  like a baby face a lot of. People don't know about him.
• 30:10
  His dad was a cop. That was a cop.
• 30:12
  Comes from a cop family. That's what me up.
• 30:14
  His sister's married to a cop. That was a problem I had, you
• 30:17
  know, when he was around. I said you come from a cop
• 30:19
  family. You know, you're hanging out
• 30:21
  with all gangsters. Don't all my uncles.
• 30:22
  Joey Cafe I says, yeah, but your uncle's not your blood uncle.
• 30:25
  He's your uncle because he married your aunt.
• 30:27
  So you don't really have no bloodline until organized crime.
• 30:29
  You're more of a cop bloodline. I'm saying so that confused.
• 30:34
  Me. What's he what did he say to
• 30:36
  you? He's like, let me hang around
• 30:37
  Eugene. Like, oh.
• 30:38
  He was around. He's a kid in neighborhood.
• 30:40
  They all do that. So they know I recruit people,
• 30:43
  so they try to like show off in front of me, you know, things
• 30:45
  like that. When I, you know, I'm the older
• 30:46
  kid, you know, driving in nice cars and everything and they
• 30:48
  want to get down. They'll bring things to me.
• 30:50
  I got fake Roxies. I got this.
• 30:52
  They'll bring things to me. What impressed you?
• 30:54
  He had fake pills. That's that we can make a
• 30:57
  fortune on them, OK? He had thousands of them and I
• 30:59
  had them sell them for everybody in Long Island.
• 31:01
  They're fake, basically selling your Roxy.
• 31:02
  But it's Advil, OK? You know, I'm saying selling
• 31:04
  about 1000. So I had them going to tell her.
• 31:06
  So everybody gave me half the money and, you know, that's how
• 31:09
  he got around me. What impresses you as far as
• 31:12
  being a tough guy when you were in that life?
• 31:14
  I don't like people that try to be tough.
• 31:17
  I like guys that are tough when it's time to be.
• 31:19
  That's how we're taught. I don't want a guy walking
• 31:21
  around bumping into people looking for trouble.
• 31:23
  I don't respect that. I don't like it when you bother
• 31:25
  me. Like I was in the place last
• 31:27
  night and the guy started with my friend and I went ballistic
• 31:31
  on him. What are you doing?
• 31:32
  I went ballistic on him. He's dressed like the guy from
• 31:34
  Twilight. I was like, you're going to say
• 31:35
  something to me. Like, like you don't even know
• 31:37
  who you're speaking to. Like you're dressed out of a
• 31:39
  Twilight movie. You're looking up.
• 31:40
  Like you say something to my friend, like you have no idea
• 31:43
  who's sitting there. Like you think I'm just going to
• 31:45
  allow like you to talk crazy. I went ballistic on him.
• 31:48
  But it's only when I have to be like, I'll never impose my will
• 31:51
  when you see me. Like I said, I like a guy that I
• 31:53
  know he's tough when he has to be.
• 31:56
  I don't want a guy showing it off.
• 31:58
  Yeah, he's just, I think. That, that bothers me the most,
• 32:01
  that aggravates me, that oh, what are you looking at?
• 32:03
  I don't like that stuff. I don't.
• 32:04
  I don't. I don't impress me.
• 32:06
  That'll make me want to do something to you.
• 32:07
  Yeah. Is it, is it hard like being in
• 32:11
  this new life when there are guys that are out at especially
• 32:15
  bars and like that there are guys that are not tough, but
• 32:18
  they, they call it peacocking or they, they, they put it on a
• 32:20
  front. Is that hard to restrain
• 32:23
  yourself when you know there's a guy that's just a CB walking
• 32:26
  around like he's the. Song like I moved down to Tampa
• 32:30
  and I could tell you I had about 5 altercations.
• 32:35
  They started everyone. You know what they did at the
• 32:37
  end of the altercation 911 right.
• 32:41
  You start with me, I go after you calling the police.
• 32:44
  So I had so many interactions already out here with people
• 32:46
  like that. I just learned what it is.
• 32:47
  They're they're just all this ball block, no bite and they're
• 32:51
  not used to someone like me that's very confrontational
• 32:53
  because I don't look like the way I am.
• 32:54
  This is what was why the mob even like me more.
• 32:56
  I look like this nice friendly guy.
• 32:58
  You know which I am. But when it's time to get busy,
• 33:01
  I'm like this tyrant. I just become this, you know,
• 33:03
  machine. So at that in this point, I
• 33:06
  still have that. So I look like this nice guy.
• 33:08
  I'm just nice, you know? Nice, Nice.
• 33:10
  And then once I switch, boom, I'm a different person now.
• 33:13
  Yeah. And I'm clearing it out and then
• 33:15
  that's it. And then I don't want to be like
• 33:16
  that no more. But out here, it happened
• 33:18
  several times where they're starting with my harmless
• 33:20
  friends. Yeah.
• 33:22
  And then I get into it with them and then they call times.
• 33:24
  Why are your friends? Or you're just involved because
• 33:27
  you're friends. Yeah, they're harmless.
• 33:28
  Like regular people work regular jobs.
• 33:30
  They're not street guys. They're.
• 33:31
  I hang out with all regular people now.
• 33:32
  I don't hang out with no bad guys no more.
• 33:34
  I hang out with all successful rich people, good people, but
• 33:38
  they're not fighters. There's something wrong with
• 33:39
  that. You've got these kids out here
• 33:41
  that pretend like they are. And then when I step in, well,
• 33:45
  well, I'm like that. So all right, now we're going to
• 33:47
  do this. And then they're all and they
• 33:49
  switch up on me. You know what I'm saying?
• 33:50
  Yeah. Do people know who you are
• 33:52
  around here? Now they do.
• 33:53
  A lot of them do. Yeah, a lot of them.
• 33:55
  I got banned from so many places.
• 33:56
  I got back in the I'm back in the edition now, thank God.
• 33:59
  You were banned. I was banned.
• 34:01
  I fought the whole security staff.
• 34:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. By yourself.
• 34:07
  No, me and my friend, My other friend Mike, yeah, he's from New
• 34:10
  York, too. He's down here and my buddy.
• 34:11
  And something happened and, you know, I wasn't having it.
• 34:13
  And sure enough, we had one guy hemmed up against the wall.
• 34:16
  And then the other guy that did started.
• 34:18
  I got him. And then it went outside.
• 34:20
  And, you know, they said I couldn't come there no more.
• 34:22
  And then I finally got back in. They understood what happened.
• 34:24
  You know I was right, you know? But but for the most part, like
• 34:27
  when you go out, you're just looking to have a good time.
• 34:29
  Yeah, I mean, for these people I hate, I'm like, I'm going to
• 34:32
  these fancy places and a guy that's dressed in like a he
• 34:35
  looks like a stockbroker. He's like starting like fights
• 34:39
  my head up you. Know and then a hard thing to
• 34:41
  deal with just that and I like you would train in MMA and we
• 34:44
  get that so like there's a difference between you know
• 34:46
  training in like athletic sport like that like boxing or MMA and
• 34:51
  then when you go out you don't want to deal with that stuff
• 34:53
  right and then it's it's annoying when you just want to
• 34:55
  enjoy yourself with your friends and then that happens you know
• 34:58
  it's going to happen again at some point later.
• 35:00
  It's just got to be hard to deal with, especially from the life
• 35:03
  that you had at that point. So like this.
• 35:05
  So he's had like, well, holding my hands well.
• 35:07
  Think about, think about like when we're in New York, right?
• 35:09
  So everybody knows this, who we are.
• 35:10
  And I don't run with that. But people are scared to look at
• 35:13
  us. Nobody wants to fight with us.
• 35:14
  You know, we're mob guys. We run the neighborhoods like we
• 35:16
  don't impose our will on nobody. But I'm not used to people like
• 35:19
  starting with us. And if it is someone starting
• 35:21
  with us, it's because they're like that Albanians, other
• 35:24
  crews, while that we know we're gonna have art, we're gonna have
• 35:27
  it out. Like I'm not used to some dude
• 35:29
  dressed like I told you, like a twilight guy.
• 35:31
  You know, I told my friend, like yo my herb now.
• 35:35
  Like like what happened like. Because here's the thing though,
• 35:38
  that guy has done that to other people.
• 35:40
  And no one's done. With it and then all of a sudden
• 35:42
  there's another person. It's like he picked the one out
• 35:44
  of the whole bar. That's going to go well, you
• 35:46
  know what this is actually I am about that you well.
• 35:48
  I'll take him back up. One time we were in the middle
• 35:51
  of nowhere in Tampa. My friend took me to a bar, and
• 35:53
  I see some biker guy keep looking at me and he's looking
• 35:56
  at his phone and then he's looking at me.
• 35:59
  And then, boom, finally he walks over to me and he's like Eugene
• 36:02
  Barrello. I says, yeah.
• 36:02
  He goes, oh, I read your book, man.
• 36:04
  It was a real good book. He's a biker guy.
• 36:06
  This guy's an active biker. And I'm like, all right, cool.
• 36:08
  So my friend's like, are you coming with respect?
• 36:10
  I'm like, bro, shut the up. Like he's coming with respect.
• 36:13
  Like shut up. Like he always just, I'm like,
• 36:16
  what are you doing? He said respectfully.
• 36:18
  Like, what are you doing? Said he read your.
• 36:20
  Book he's like 90 bikers outside.
• 36:21
  You're just like, what are you doing bro?
• 36:23
  You just read my book like shut the fuck up.
• 36:24
  Like he's came with respect and I was like, oh man, we could
• 36:26
  just got some guys. He did a club, were they in an
• 36:29
  MC? Yeah, he was not a pet, not a.
• 36:32
  Outlaw. Maybe one of those.
• 36:34
  He had the Kagan jacket on everything.
• 36:36
  But he said, I read your book, man.
• 36:38
  And literally he's like a great book and everything.
• 36:40
  And then my friend goes, you come with respect.
• 36:43
  Oh, come. On what did you?
• 36:44
  Say like I'm like, Nah, he's an idiot.
• 36:45
  I was like, no, I was this kid. Like, you know, trying to like
• 36:48
  what? Did the biker do?
• 36:49
  He was like, no, I'm like got aggravated.
• 36:51
  Like I'm coming with respect, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:53
  Like what are you saying? You know what I mean?
• 36:54
  And it turned out to be, you know who's good, but I wasn't.
• 36:57
  I get noticed sometimes like that, you know what I mean?
• 36:59
  And they never came out with disrespectful.
• 37:00
  It's always nice you. Know you get paranoid that when
• 37:02
  people are looking at you like 'cause when you're all over the
• 37:05
  Internet, you have a best selling book, right?
• 37:08
  And your formal life, are you, do you ever walk around like you
• 37:11
  know, you're at the gym or something?
• 37:12
  Somebody's staring at you or you like, do you get paranoid the
• 37:15
  people are always staring at you because of your attention?
• 37:17
  Well, in the podcast was really big at one point, so people will
• 37:20
  notice me a lot of the podcast. So I would be places and they
• 37:23
  would be cool. Oh, Gene, I love that stuff you
• 37:25
  did. I love all the stories, you know
• 37:26
  what I'm saying? I was getting a fish bar.
• 37:28
  The fish eat you. The guy gave me a thing.
• 37:32
  He was like, oh, I love this show, Johnny and Jean.
• 37:33
  This is in the middle of, like, Saint Petersburg so bad.
• 37:36
  Yeah. And like, he's watched that.
• 37:38
  And he's like, yeah. It was like I said, I get
• 37:40
  noticed a lot. You know, everybody's always
• 37:41
  came at me with respect. Yeah.
• 37:43
  Are you ever paranoid that like it might be somebody out to get
• 37:46
  you or something like that? I know the guys that you know,
• 37:49
  like I said, I know when I'm in trouble and I'm not, like I know
• 37:52
  the guys that I know when they see me, it'll be something.
• 37:54
  And that's like a handful of guys they're not even around.
• 37:58
  They're most of them are gone life or you know, dead.
• 38:00
  So the guys that are out here, like I told you are herbs, bro.
• 38:04
  What's left of that life right now is a complete joke.
• 38:07
  Like I was living in Howard Beach again, I was driving a
• 38:10
  Porsche in Howard Beach. They were furious and driving
• 38:13
  around. He does not cost well.
• 38:16
  I didn't care. I was making a mockery.
• 38:17
  And then they, the government's like, you got to leave.
• 38:19
  Like this is insane. Like you're like taunting
• 38:22
  everybody now, you know what I'm saying?
• 38:23
  So. How are you not like, worried
• 38:25
  that there would be? Because I knew what I was
• 38:27
  capable of and I knew what they weren't capable of.
• 38:29
  I was the one facing all the time.
• 38:30
  These guys were playing Xbox video games.
• 38:33
  I'm running around. These guys ain't doing what I
• 38:34
  was doing. Real life.
• 38:35
  Calling on the indictment look, and I'm a never knows this on
• 38:38
  the indictment of all nineteen of us.
• 38:41
  Ronnie was facing the second most time out of me, which was
• 38:45
  only 14 years. I was career arms acted.
• 38:48
  I had minimum mandatories. I had all the shootings, all the
• 38:50
  violence, all the crazy. So I was facing 35 years.
• 38:54
  My cop out was 35 years. If I blow trial life, you blow
• 38:58
  trial on Rico, you get 100 years.
• 38:59
  You've done my cop out was 35 years.
• 39:02
  You wouldn't pay my federal attorney.
• 39:04
  You make 400,000 a month, 400,000 a month?
• 39:09
  Are you kidding? This is proving fact.
• 39:10
  The government. He had to pay back millions of
• 39:12
  dollars. He paid it.
• 39:13
  He's one of the only guys ever to pay a forfeiture upfront for
• 39:16
  the barrack family and paid the most money back.
• 39:20
  And you couldn't pay my lawyer over 200,000.
• 39:21
  Yeah. I used to count stash box around
• 39:23
  507 hundred 400, his cheapest didn't want to get a counting
• 39:28
  machine because he didn't want to be off 2 bills, but he
• 39:31
  counted 500,000. You earn a $40 beat off.
• 39:34
  He's sick. I got to sit there and count 20s
• 39:36
  and 50s all night with this guy at 2:00 in the morning to put it
• 39:38
  in the bag and give it to his mobile, put on a safety deposit
• 39:41
  box. He had saved the deposit box
• 39:42
  everywhere. Wow.
• 39:43
  He had millions of dollars of cash and they told me, can you
• 39:45
  ever bankrupt him? I says no, the government, I
• 39:47
  says you'll never bankrupt him, right?
• 39:48
  Never. I says he has liquid cash of
• 39:50
  millions of dollars. He'll give you 3 million and be
• 39:53
  laughing about it. And you know what he did?
• 39:54
  They took his house for 3.2 million.
• 39:56
  He paid the government 2.4 million and he went and bought
• 39:58
  another man chef for 1.8 million on the water.
• 40:00
  Oh wow, how? Spiteful.
• 40:02
  Is he OK? That's a real right there.
• 40:05
  All right, So that shows you he's like, yeah, all right, I'll
• 40:08
  show you. All right.
• 40:10
  And I'll take the 14 years, pay those money, and they're going
• 40:12
  to go on a mansion again, right? Yeah.
• 40:15
  So I told him he never bankrupt that guy, you know?
• 40:17
  Yeah. Let me ask a question, how much
• 40:20
  do you get for your accent? Not but do people?
• 40:22
  Yeah, I stand out like a sore thumb.
• 40:24
  I mean, they're right. Yeah.
• 40:25
  Yeah, they talk, but I hate that they say Boston.
• 40:27
  I'm like, where do you get Boston?
• 40:28
  Do I sound like a pirate? I would sound like that.
• 40:34
  Oh my God, we sound nothing alike.
• 40:36
  You say? Like a pie.
• 40:37
  I'm not a pirate, bro. Italian boy, that's totally
• 40:41
  different. I'm like, right, We don't sound
• 40:43
  nothing like Boston. So many girls be like, oh, you
• 40:46
  from Boston. I said no bro, it's New York and
• 40:49
  they say Jersey accent. I'm like, no, it's a New York 5
• 40:52
  boroughs accent. Where did Jersey take over
• 40:54
  accent? Like everyone's going to twist
• 40:56
  it with his accent, you know what I mean?
• 40:57
  It's a Brooklyn Queens thing, you know what I mean?
• 40:59
  Right? But yeah, everyone knows I'm
• 41:00
  from New York most of the time when I talk.
• 41:02
  Or Boston. Please don't say Boston.
• 41:05
  Guys hear that? No.
• 41:06
  No boss. Yeah, Oh my God.
• 41:08
  So you recognize that like, you recognize the fact that like.
• 41:10
  The whole swag is different. I stand out like a sore thumb as
• 41:12
  soon as I talk and operate it. And just like, oh, he's
• 41:15
  definitely from, you know, another world.
• 41:17
  What's that like interacting with the girls down here?
• 41:20
  With your axe. Yeah, yeah, they're like, so
• 41:22
  it's like it's either hit or miss.
• 41:24
  It's either they hate it or they love it.
• 41:26
  Yeah, it's it's either or. And that's why I'm very open
• 41:28
  about my life. I don't want no one to get any
• 41:30
  blind sides. You meet me and all of a sudden
• 41:32
  you look me up like what the Wow, he's good and he's great.
• 41:38
  Wow, Why did this? Move type your name associated.
• 41:43
  Oh my God, you know, because it's more of their families
• 41:48
  might get scared because I'm not like them.
• 41:49
  I'm not a street guy no more. But like I look at this as high
• 41:51
  class criminals. I hate to sound like that.
• 41:53
  Like, come on, they're like royalty.
• 41:55
  We got like all the money. Nice 'cause we're not like bang
• 41:57
  members, like, you know, yeah, I understand.
• 41:58
  We still do violent crimes, but we operate different.
• 42:00
  We're in legitimate businesses. We do a lot of different things.
• 42:02
  But families do get scared. At the end of the day, you meet
• 42:05
  a regular girl, she comes from a regular family and all of a
• 42:08
  sudden like, oh, meet my boyfriend Jean Barrel, the ex
• 42:11
  gangster from New York. And it's like, alright, you
• 42:13
  know, let's look them up and it's you know, that's that'll
• 42:16
  throw it off. You know what I'm saying?
• 42:17
  So it's a hit or miss, you know what I mean?
• 42:18
  So. You recognize that like you're
• 42:20
  fully aware I have. To be open about it.
• 42:21
  I don't like that. I don't, I don't want to lie to
• 42:23
  them. And then they, you know, it's
• 42:25
  Google will tell you everything. You know what I'm saying?
• 42:26
  So it's like, what am I gonna do?
• 42:27
  Is it a hard? Is it a hard thing to do?
• 42:29
  No, I don't care. It's my life.
• 42:31
  I'm gonna wear it. And I'm saying they say, oh,
• 42:32
  cover your tattoos, 'cause I have a Mirtha written on my arm.
• 42:34
  That's how Oatha written on my arm.
• 42:36
  I said my cover that was part of my life, just something I once
• 42:39
  believed in. So no, I'm not.
• 42:41
  And see, I think a lot of people respect that obviously, because
• 42:44
  there's the people out there that kind of, we talked earlier,
• 42:47
  they're all full of BS and there's people like you lived
• 42:50
  it, you owned it, It is what it is, right?
• 42:53
  I changed my life for the better now, but that's why I was so,
• 42:57
  you know, and I think a lot of people respect that.
• 42:59
  Well, because then some people like, well, you know, no, that
• 43:01
  was you. Well, you look at all the ex mob
• 43:03
  guys that come out right, I get the most use.
• 43:06
  Only two guys get one of me. Look at the names Shamy Gravano
• 43:08
  and Mike Francis. They're basically A list actors.
• 43:11
  If you want to say he just interviewed Alec Baldwin, you
• 43:13
  know, saying like these are the guys only ones getting more
• 43:15
  interviews than me. You know more views than me.
• 43:17
  I kill everyone with views usually.
• 43:19
  I just started tick tock. It's like over 200,000 views in
• 43:21
  a couple of days because people just love the way I talk.
• 43:25
  I keep it real. I tell it what it is.
• 43:27
  I don't sugarcoat it. If I got beat up, if I got
• 43:29
  abused, I'll say it. I won't.
• 43:31
  I don't make myself like he man. I just tell it what it is.
• 43:33
  XY and Z This is what happened. This is how it is.
• 43:36
  This is what I did. Guys like to make themselves
• 43:38
  bigger than what they were. Lie.
• 43:40
  The other guys on this saying he killed the Pope, remember that's
• 43:43
  all I told you about. He's lying going on Vlad TV to
• 43:46
  when he killed 100 people with no no coverage, like he's just
• 43:49
  lying. You know, I'm not like that.
• 43:51
  I just tell it what it is. I keep it real and that's why
• 43:55
  I'm friends with actors. I'm friends with so many
• 43:57
  celebrities. People hit me up like they love
• 44:00
  the way I act, the way I am because I'm just genuine.
• 44:02
  I wasn't a high rank. I was in the bottom in the mob,
• 44:05
  but I still outdo everybody because my personality and the
• 44:08
  way I am, you know what I mean? So I'm gonna succeed.
• 44:11
  You're honest in all aspects of your life, from dating to
• 44:14
  business. Everything.
• 44:15
  I'll never lie to you. Don't tell me something if you
• 44:17
  don't want to hear it. I don't ask you something
• 44:19
  because I'm going to tell you. Were you always like that?
• 44:21
  Is yes, my mommy said you're too outspoken.
• 44:23
  I'm like what she asked me for shoes and I says no, they're not
• 44:25
  What are you going to lie? Is it a nice I'm not going to
• 44:28
  sell her something that she wants to heal as somebody.
• 44:30
  I just tell her what it is, you know, don't ask me.
• 44:32
  In my opinion then. Can you talk about the
• 44:33
  celebrities that you have a kind of a relationship?
• 44:36
  Yeah, talk to. Yeah, I've I've my friend
• 44:39
  Angelo. He's actually A and a lot of
• 44:41
  stuff right now, you know, well, Dominic, I know Angelo, but he's
• 44:44
  in a Irishman. He's in that movie Rattlesnake.
• 44:47
  He was just number one on Netflix.
• 44:49
  He has the TV show Tulsa King with Sylvester Stallone.
• 44:53
  He's my buddy. I talk to him all the time,
• 44:54
  right. A few Shia LaBeouf I spoke to
• 44:57
  before. He's a kook.
• 45:00
  Oh yeah, yeah. Didn't he join a gang or so?
• 45:02
  I don't know bro, I know he wanted to play my friend in the
• 45:04
  movie. Whatever that they have boys,
• 45:07
  you know, I I just said I had a few of them, a few singers, you
• 45:11
  know, people that just like even I never got reached out to
• 45:13
  somebody about my book. I don't know if you've ever
• 45:16
  heard of me. He's like a Disney star.
• 45:18
  JJ Hannon. He's like kind of like a big
• 45:20
  thing and out of no way. He just reached out and he's yo,
• 45:23
  I ordered your book. He's like a 20 year old kid from
• 45:24
  Long Island, but he's like really famous and he like says,
• 45:27
  yo, I ordered your book. I really liked it.
• 45:28
  I'm like, wow, I thought it was like a fake thing.
• 45:31
  I'm like, wow, thank you, man, This kids like on Disney and
• 45:33
  like that all kinds of shit. I'm like, like singing and, you
• 45:35
  know, and everything. And, you know, I was getting,
• 45:37
  like, a lot. That's what got the government
• 45:39
  mad. Yeah.
• 45:40
  Let me be honest. That's what got them mad because
• 45:42
  these people were, like, liking me for doing bad things, I
• 45:45
  guess. So they're like, this is like
• 45:47
  you. We wanted you to go, like, be a
• 45:49
  different person. You're out there glorifying
• 45:51
  hurting people and doing stuff. I just, first of all, we hurt
• 45:53
  each other, you know what I'm saying?
• 45:54
  It's like I'm glorifying hurting a doctor or a stockbroker or
• 45:58
  some mob guys hurting bad guys. We're telling stories.
• 46:00
  People want to hear them. They took me out, bro.
• 46:03
  Yeah, they made that show gone. They put me in jail.
• 46:06
  They wouldn't stop coming after me.
• 46:07
  And I did a lot for them and they turned on me like that.
• 46:10
  But you have a reformed life though, you know what I mean?
• 46:12
  At the end of the day, like your message is always like, you know
• 46:15
  what I mean? I changed my life.
• 46:16
  It's not worth it. You know what I mean?
• 46:17
  You know what I'm saying? So it's like it kind of it's
• 46:19
  kind of it kind of wears me out a little bit because at the end
• 46:22
  of the day, you always talk about how you know, you didn't
• 46:25
  learn until you got older about the treachery of your former
• 46:28
  life. You know what I mean?
• 46:29
  He tell you know you and John tell kids all the time.
• 46:32
  Johnny lived way different than me.
• 46:34
  Johnny was, you know, obviously killing a lot of people.
• 46:36
  Johnny did a lot of wild, but he was in a different era, you know
• 46:39
  what I'm saying? So I mean, his experience is a
• 46:41
  little worse than mine because he was like, you know, doing
• 46:45
  some brutal, you know what I'm saying?
• 46:46
  So I would say like, his experience is a lot more with
• 46:51
  the Mafia than me. Like I'd say he was more
• 46:52
  involved, but he was killing people for them, right?
• 46:55
  Hit man, you know what I'm saying?
• 46:56
  So like he literally has like 7-8 murders.
• 46:59
  So it's a little different, you know what I'm saying?
• 47:00
  He was actual taking lives for them.
• 47:03
  So I understand the betrayal with him a lot more.
• 47:04
  John Junior, because he killed people for the guidance, you
• 47:07
  know, I'm saying I would have done that, you know, I'm saying
• 47:09
  if I had no problem doing it, but he was actually taking lives
• 47:12
  for them. So the betrayal is a lot worse
• 47:14
  for me, I think, with that. For sure.
• 47:16
  You agree with that, right? Because he's.
• 47:18
  Come on. Yeah, You're you're a sucker.
• 47:20
  You got me killing people over here.
• 47:21
  You won't even. I'm in Brazil.
• 47:22
  You won't even give me commissary money.
• 47:24
  Yeah, come on, bro. That's a little different.
• 47:28
  That's messed up. Yeah.
• 47:29
  You got to go in detail about this.
• 47:30
  I wanted to ask you this. Last time you went to Florida
• 47:34
  and blew $300,000 on, right, Dude, you got to talk about
• 47:38
  that. Yeah, crazy man.
• 47:40
  I I. Like what were you spending
• 47:42
  months? Like were you in a strip club
• 47:43
  and just throwing? 1009 thousand it was crazy.
• 47:46
  I don't know, I it just went bro, you're partying story and
• 47:49
  live and I was on the run basically, you know what I mean?
• 47:51
  So it just went bro, renting places, you know, everything was
• 47:55
  living off that too, you know what I mean?
• 47:57
  So it just went. I was buying jewelry, just going
• 47:59
  crazy, you know what I mean? Somebody wants to live
• 48:01
  vicariously through Jean in a week with all that money.
• 48:04
  Just no. Most people have no idea what
• 48:06
  it's like to just have that much money on hand and buy whatever
• 48:08
  you want. Yeah.
• 48:09
  So like. Pretty fun, can you tell?
• 48:10
  Us like, yeah, I can imagine like.
• 48:13
  What are you? Pretty fun.
• 48:14
  What are you buying though? Like like.
• 48:15
  All high end designer clothes, you know what I mean?
• 48:17
  Like, you know, plus at the time I was with my girlfriend, so she
• 48:20
  want the Chanel bags, you know? Yeah, 5000 a pop, $6000 a pop.
• 48:25
  You know, it just, it just goes, bro, I had the truck and then I
• 48:28
  had an MX5, the souped up one. I love that truck.
• 48:32
  Metallic black basketball interior, golden nightclubs.
• 48:36
  You know, both these tables are $5000.
• 48:38
  Yeah. You want to go in to live with
• 48:39
  Story and you get a table, they're 5 grand and better guys
• 48:42
  in there spent $100,000. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 48:44
  So the money I spent in there was really nothing where I was,
• 48:46
  you know what I'm saying? Yeah, my truck was like a Honda.
• 48:49
  They were driving Lambos and Rolls is everywhere but in Miami
• 48:52
  Rolls right now. But like you say, it was a fun
• 48:54
  experience. You know, it went fast.
• 48:56
  And then when it was all gone, I went to a wedding and got locked
• 48:59
  up. Yeah.
• 49:00
  Did you ever rock the diamond chains and all that?
• 49:02
  Yeah, the bracelets. I was at no, I had like gold
• 49:05
  Daytona's. I had the it's worth so much
• 49:07
  money now. Yeah, I bought it for 24,000 in
• 49:10
  2014. It's worth like 80 grand right
• 49:13
  now. It's a red that had the Paul
• 49:15
  Newman face with the yellow Daytona and it was it's gone.
• 49:19
  But I if I would have had it now, I could have like tripled
• 49:21
  on it. Yeah.
• 49:22
  They go for like 80 grand now, yeah.
• 49:25
  We were you ever so you were never rocking the Mr. T starter
• 49:28
  kit with all the gold chains all.
• 49:29
  Oh, I had gold chains, Yeah. I had like, I had big Miami
• 49:32
  Cubans at 350 Grand 1. I had a few of them.
• 49:34
  Yeah. I was into that stuff around.
• 49:36
  Yeah. I had all that presidentials,
• 49:38
  APS, you know, all that stuff. Yeah.
• 49:39
  Did you ever go to the strip clubs?
• 49:41
  Yeah. Can you talk about?
• 49:42
  That in New York or in New York I was big in the Hustle club.
• 49:46
  Yeah, I love the Hustle Club. The girls were like really
• 49:49
  pretty. Now, you know, I mean, cuz I'm
• 49:51
  like very picky. Like I don't just go with
• 49:52
  anybody. Yeah.
• 49:53
  So like, I'm a picky dude. So you got to be hot.
• 49:56
  Like I'm saying, describe for the person listening at home.
• 49:59
  Like what do you, what do you like?
• 50:00
  And like, describe the woman. Like say she's like a dying
• 50:03
  piece. Yeah.
• 50:04
  Describe like well. I won't date a no offense.
• 50:06
  I won't date a stripper, but I mean, like I go in there, but
• 50:08
  like, I like what I like, you know, you got to be tall, you
• 50:12
  got to be nice, you got to be hot, you know, blondes
• 50:14
  particularly, you know what I mean?
• 50:15
  So yeah, I dated Italian girls my whole life.
• 50:17
  They're not blonde. They're never blonde, you know
• 50:25
  what I'm saying? So usually, and that's, that's
• 50:28
  what it was. And I would, you know, I was
• 50:29
  known all over them because I would party every day.
• 50:30
  I was a Monday through Sunday guy, not a strip club.
• 50:33
  It's just everywhere. Any of my friends would go out
• 50:35
  to different club. There's clubs in the city every
• 50:37
  day, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, so we were out every
• 50:39
  day. No kidding.
• 50:40
  Every day we still working out and stuff.
• 50:42
  Yeah, we would go to the gym, literally go home.
• 50:44
  That was our life, and then get ready to go out again.
• 50:46
  Like if I wasn't doing what I had to do for my people, I was
• 50:49
  out. No kidding.
• 50:50
  Yeah, I was all over. When you're at the club, are you
• 50:51
  dancing and stuff? No.
• 50:53
  We just hang out and I was chilling.
• 50:54
  Yeah. It's actually, we have fun.
• 50:55
  We have fun, though, because I used to go out.
• 50:57
  I had a lot of regular friends too that were on street guys,
• 50:59
  and they come out with us, you know, we'd have a good time.
• 51:01
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:01
  I had a lot of legit rich friends, so they party too, you
• 51:04
  know what I mean? I have lawyer friends.
• 51:06
  They're worse. Lawyers are worse than
• 51:09
  everybody. They're crazy, man.
• 51:12
  Oh my God. Did like, do people, do you get
• 51:15
  the sense that people want to be around the gangster?
• 51:17
  Do you know that people are like, I want to hang out This
• 51:19
  guy, he's cool. Because, well, it's a hit and
• 51:21
  miss. Because sometimes they do.
• 51:23
  Sometimes they don't. They feel like see a gangster
• 51:25
  like I was. They don't sometimes because
• 51:26
  they feel like I'm always in. Yeah.
• 51:28
  And he's got guns in the car, something Mommy.
• 51:30
  So they'll get nervous, you know?
• 51:31
  But they do like to hang out with the gangsters, some of
• 51:33
  them. But then they're like, Oh no,
• 51:34
  this kids wild. Yeah, like he's not pudgy you.
• 51:38
  Know what I'm saying? He's like Tommy D, you know what
• 51:41
  I'm saying? So it's a little different.
• 51:42
  They really didn't, you know, anything could jump off of me at
• 51:45
  any time. So some of them would be scared
• 51:47
  off of that, even to do business with me.
• 51:48
  That hurt me, really. Yeah.
• 51:50
  Did you tell them like straight up though?
• 51:52
  Like? Like if they get in the car,
• 51:54
  there's guns in the car, there's things, there's weapons in the
• 51:57
  car, you know what I'm saying? You know you're going to be
• 51:59
  hanging out with me, you know what I'm saying?
• 52:00
  It's just. It's just it comes with it.
• 52:02
  So some people will though, you know, Yeah, run from that.
• 52:06
  You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure.
• 52:07
  Yeah. They don't want they want to
• 52:08
  hang out with a gangster, but more of like a a pudgy.
• 52:11
  Yeah. Something's going on, they drive
• 52:13
  around, anything can happen. Like we talked about earlier,
• 52:16
  like they want to hang out with them until it goes down, then
• 52:19
  they're like, Ron, what about that?
• 52:20
  Yeah, I'm out of here. Yeah.
• 52:22
  I get it because I was hands on broad daylight guy.
• 52:24
  Something had to be done. I just jumped out the car right
• 52:26
  there. Yeah.
• 52:28
  I just seen a guy in the middle of the street.
• 52:29
  Oh, I got. I gotta get that guy.
• 52:30
  What do you mean the guy's like what you talking about?
• 52:31
  I'm stopping the car on the middle of the street.
• 52:33
  I'm chasing him down. That's and they're like, I'm not
• 52:34
  deal with this. Get me the patio.
• 52:36
  Yeah, so he's a little different.
• 52:37
  My my life. You know you.
• 52:39
  Have a Did you ever training to be the perfect gangster?
• 52:42
  No. It was just, I was a hot head.
• 52:45
  My dad was the same way. You know, this is genetics.
• 52:48
  My dad was a wild guy. He wasn't a mob guy, but he was
• 52:50
  St. dude. But he was like just nuts,
• 52:52
  tough, wild. And it's like it was in my blood
• 52:55
  almost. Yeah.
• 52:55
  Saying these Italians are like, how can I say like pit bulls
• 52:58
  almost. Sicilians especially, which is
• 53:00
  like wild. Yeah.
• 53:01
  So it was just in my blood, man. It's just.
• 53:04
  Part of what you I just. Fly off the handle like you
• 53:06
  know. Yeah, it sounds like these these
• 53:08
  kids that will watch a a gangster movie would be like,
• 53:13
  you know, Joe Pesci is cool or you know what I mean?
• 53:16
  Or Tommy de Simone's cool. I want to be like that guy in
• 53:18
  the movie like that, right? You weren't you?
• 53:20
  Were guys like that but. I no, there are, but you
• 53:22
  wouldn't like that. No, right.
• 53:23
  No, it was just, it was a different.
• 53:25
  It was just a different thing, you know, It was more of I
• 53:28
  didn't think, honestly, when I was growing up, I didn't think I
• 53:30
  was going to end up as involved as I was.
• 53:32
  I always knew maybe you know what I want there to be in the
• 53:34
  street. Like I would be a knock around
• 53:36
  guy. Maybe I didn't know I'd be right
• 53:38
  him into a captain to a Consiglia and I'm doing work for
• 53:41
  these guys, like real work, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:43
  So it was kind of mind blown that actually got that, that,
• 53:49
  that that like entitlement. Like I was really one of them,
• 53:52
  not just the wannabe like, you know, dropping money off.
• 53:54
  I was like the guy for a little while.
• 53:56
  For sure. You know what I'm saying?
• 53:57
  That's a good feeling when you're in that life.
• 53:59
  Everyone's coming to me for everything.
• 54:01
  You know, Why wouldn't talk? Nobody had to go to me.
• 54:03
  Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
• 54:05
  So it was like, you know, I lived it.
• 54:07
  Did did you ever feel like you had to be more just because you
• 54:12
  dress nice you're in shape, you're a tall dude.
• 54:14
  You know what I mean? Younger did like do you ever
• 54:17
  felt like you some people might not have taken you as seriously
• 54:20
  just because of how your appearance you don't have you
• 54:21
  don't look like this menacing monster.
• 54:23
  Well, you know what I mean all. Right.
• 54:24
  I've heard that before because people are like, yo, I heard
• 54:26
  some stories about I thought you were going to see me.
• 54:27
  I thought you're going to be 8 foot tall, 500 lbs like this
• 54:30
  giant, you know what I'm saying? But in my neighborhood, everyone
• 54:33
  knew, but outside the neighborhood, everyone was like,
• 54:36
  oh, that's Gene. Yeah, 'cause you and think we
• 54:38
  think I'm just like, mean looking right?
• 54:40
  Yeah, I like that. Until it cracks off.
• 54:42
  Yeah. And they see, oh, well, that's
• 54:42
  what they're talking about. Bang, Bang and everything, shots
• 54:47
  fired and everything's going on, the news going on, and that's
• 54:49
  it. And places are getting wrecked
• 54:51
  and that's it. They come back cars to places
• 54:53
  and oh, OK, that's what they're talking about.
• 54:55
  All right? You know what I mean?
• 54:56
  So you're, you're hyper aware of everything.
• 54:58
  Yeah. Like, you know, I watch.
• 54:59
  Everything too. Yeah, I'm very observant.
• 55:01
  I don't like anyone walking with their hands in their pockets.
• 55:02
  I don't like anyone walking with their hands behind their back.
• 55:04
  I'm very observant. I watch everything.
• 55:06
  Yeah, I'm always watching. So So what do you look for in a
• 55:09
  friend nowadays, right? Say you're out of this life.
• 55:11
  You live this crazy life for most of your life, right?
• 55:14
  How do you meet new friends now? How do you?
• 55:16
  How do you? How do you?
• 55:17
  How do you? I had a lot well down here, I
• 55:19
  already had people. So when I came down here, I kind
• 55:21
  of like hung out with this dude and he had a bunch of regular
• 55:23
  friends and they were seeing like they everyone thought like
• 55:27
  when they met me that I was going to be like this mean guy
• 55:30
  and not cool. And then when they met me,
• 55:31
  Aaron's like, what The Like, they were so in shock, like,
• 55:35
  wow, he's awesome. And I got close to all these
• 55:37
  regular people. And then I just started hanging
• 55:38
  out with them all the time. And I just hang out with them.
• 55:40
  That's it. It was they were in shock as
• 55:42
  much, like they couldn't believe that I was so down to earth and
• 55:44
  cool. You know what I'm saying?
• 55:45
  Because you read about me. You would never think like that.
• 55:48
  I'm cool and down to earth, you know what I mean?
• 55:49
  But I really am, Yeah. That's another thing we're all
• 55:52
  start talking about. These guys are humans.
• 55:55
  You're a regular human being. You know what I mean?
• 55:57
  Like, like you lived a different life, but at the end of the day,
• 56:00
  you're human being just like everybody else, you know what
• 56:02
  I'm saying? Like from a different part of
• 56:04
  the country, lives came up in a completely different life.
• 56:07
  You. Know and how you spoke about
• 56:09
  earlier you know you know how to separate the two Obviously you
• 56:12
  had your life that you had to do and then obviously you as much
• 56:15
  as you have your actually rules regulations of what you were
• 56:17
  doing in that life right you still had to just go to the
• 56:20
  store and be a regular person milk That's right so that's
• 56:24
  right You know I mean I. Understand that, but at the end
• 56:27
  of the day, like I agree with that, but you always have the
• 56:29
  the mindset. I'm not a regular person because
• 56:32
  honestly, I could be killed at any point.
• 56:35
  Like even though I think it couldn't happen, the life I was
• 56:37
  living, my mother used to tell me, you're playing Russian
• 56:40
  roulette like you really are. And I say, yeah, you know, at
• 56:43
  the end of the day, I go walk at the house and be shot and killed
• 56:45
  by my own friend, you know, go to jail.
• 56:47
  She's like, this is how you want to live.
• 56:49
  Look over your shoulder every day.
• 56:50
  Cuz the end day you do have to look over your shoulder every
• 56:52
  day. Feds not I'm hanging out with
• 56:55
  guys that are highly watched. Now I'm on the radar.
• 56:57
  My mom caught somebody taking pitch.
• 56:59
  This is a great story. My mom thought it was a
• 57:01
  pedophile taking pictures of my little brother.
• 57:04
  She chased the car down. It was taking pictures of me by
• 57:07
  the house and it was an FBI agent chased the car down.
• 57:12
  She he took pictures of my son. He was doing it, but he was
• 57:15
  facing that way and he was literally had the the paper and
• 57:19
  they were snapping and trying and getting me because reasons
• 57:24
  why they they were trying to get pictures of me by the house
• 57:26
  because but whatever the case may be, but they were trying to
• 57:28
  get pictures of by me by my mother's house and she chased
• 57:32
  him down. It was FBI.
• 57:33
  She goes, you're a pedophile. She got next to him.
• 57:37
  Cop bro. Yeah.
• 57:39
  So that's what I mean. You know, this is what comes
• 57:41
  with it. You know what I mean?
• 57:42
  I've met as far as you know, I understand when you're in the
• 57:45
  life, but then you're just meeting regular people that you
• 57:48
  know aren't in it. It's like, well, why don't you
• 57:49
  be mean to that guy? I don't they have nothing to do
• 57:51
  with that type of business I'm in so like.
• 57:53
  You know, well, I and I have like he says, I get along with
• 57:56
  regular people. I do like, I'll be honest, you I
• 57:58
  really do. I get along with them.
• 57:59
  We obviously have different backgrounds, like, you know, my,
• 58:03
  I have documa. They get off on it.
• 58:06
  It's like funny to them. Like wow, 'cause we, we'll talk
• 58:08
  about like doing something up with some money, but you gotta
• 58:11
  see me shot this guy who's laughing, he's crawling.
• 58:13
  They're like, that's not funny, but me and my friends are live
• 58:18
  because bad guys aren't bad guys, you know what I'm saying?
• 58:20
  Thanks. We did do each other.
• 58:21
  So I have dark humor. Most mob guys have very dark
• 58:24
  humor, you know what I'm saying? So to them, that's a little.
• 58:27
  I mean, you have to to just even cope with that type of stuff.
• 58:30
  So yeah, A. Lot of my friends say that you
• 58:32
  have very dark humor because to us it's funny, you know what I
• 58:34
  mean? To them, it's not, you know?
• 58:36
  So, yeah. Yeah.
• 58:38
  Do you know that it's intimidating?
• 58:40
  Like people coming up to you, they could be intimidated by
• 58:42
  you, right, dude? Yeah, I.
• 58:44
  Don't like people that try to impress me?
• 58:46
  Yeah. Good stories I don't wanna hear.
• 58:48
  I know so and so. That and like I did this.
• 58:50
  I fought and I don't wanna hear that.
• 58:52
  Like you can't compare it. I'm not here for a pissing
• 58:54
  contest for you. The things I've done in one
• 58:55
  month you didn't done in your life.
• 58:57
  You know, saying I'm not gonna do that you.
• 58:58
  And if I do you were about that, then I'll talk to you about it.
• 59:01
  Yeah, but I know if you weren't, I don't want to hear about you
• 59:04
  fought a guy in a ball. I'm looking to shoot people in
• 59:05
  broad daylight. Like, I don't want to hear about
• 59:07
  story, bro. I'm saying just talk to me about
• 59:09
  sports or something. How often does that happen?
• 59:11
  A lot, A lot, a lot. Because they know what I was
• 59:14
  about. And I was like a real St. guy.
• 59:16
  Like, I wasn't like a jerk off. So they want to tell me about
• 59:18
  their stories to, like, impress me.
• 59:20
  Yeah, but you can't impress me, right?
• 59:21
  I hung out with the top of the food chain for organized crime
• 59:24
  that there's movies about these people.
• 59:26
  I worked for them. You can't impress me, right?
• 59:28
  Unless you're John Gotti and you're coming to talk to me.
• 59:30
  I'll be like, oh, wow. You know, you talk to me and
• 59:33
  tell me about you fought a guy in a bar and broke his nose.
• 59:35
  I'm like, all right. Are you just like well?
• 59:38
  Here we are. Yeah.
• 59:39
  I'm saying like, you're gonna just be like, let's talk about I
• 59:42
  love sports. Yeah, let's talk about sports.
• 59:43
  Let's talk about movies and things like that.
• 59:45
  I don't want to talk about what you did in your life.
• 59:48
  Yeah. Crimes.
• 59:49
  Yeah. You know, there's there's
• 59:50
  nothing to talk about with that. Do you play along with it?
• 59:52
  Or I know, Yeah, I do. I'll.
• 59:53
  I'll listen to it. But then I I tell my friends,
• 59:55
  like, I don't want to hear this, you know what I'm saying?
• 59:57
  Yeah, You know, like, I don't want to hear that stuff.
• 59:59
  I'd rather just talk about regular things, you know what I
• 1:00:01
  mean? And plus sometimes.
• 1:00:04
  When you're around certain people, my stories are pretty
• 1:00:07
  bad, and guys will bring it up because they like it.
• 1:00:10
  They want everyone to know about my stuff, and I'll be like,
• 1:00:13
  chill, because some of this stuff is bad.
• 1:00:15
  You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, yeah,
• 1:00:17
  it's bad guy and bad guy, but it's still violent crimes.
• 1:00:19
  These people are like doctors and regular people and you're
• 1:00:23
  talking about me hitting the guy in the head with a battle doing
• 1:00:24
  somethings like they don't like, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:26
  It's a little. It gets me uncomfortable
• 1:00:28
  sometimes, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:29
  Because you're we try to live a normal.
• 1:00:30
  Life like Les. I was at dinner yesterday and
• 1:00:34
  the girl just, she was with somebody and she kept saying the
• 1:00:37
  guy was like, Oh, yeah, he's like a guy from trying to
• 1:00:39
  explain to what I was. And it was getting me aggravated
• 1:00:42
  because I'm like, who cares? Like, you know what I mean?
• 1:00:45
  Oh, he has the best selling book.
• 1:00:46
  He has that. And then I heard it go, oh, he
• 1:00:47
  shot people so you could see it like Baller down at dinner or
• 1:00:51
  she didn't know I was hearing it.
• 1:00:52
  You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't care.
• 1:00:54
  Yeah. But it's still.
• 1:00:55
  Awkward, right? It's just like I who cares?
• 1:00:58
  Like, all right, what are you gonna judge me now over that?
• 1:01:00
  Like it's, it's normal life, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:02
  It's right what I've done. And it was bad guy.
• 1:01:04
  I'm bad guy. That's how I look at it, for
• 1:01:05
  sure. That's how we justify it.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, You know what I'm saying? For Sammy Gavine, I don't know
• 1:01:10
  if he could justify 20 murders. Yeah, I killed 20 guys.
• 1:01:15
  What's the big deal? It's a little different.
• 1:01:17
  It's the big deal. I killed 20 guys.
• 1:01:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  All right. You like doing it.
• 1:01:22
  That was not pleasure. That was a business.
• 1:01:24
  That was pleasure, you know? Right.
• 1:01:26
  But for me, it's like I was bad. But and I I just get a little
• 1:01:30
  uncomfortable sometimes when they bring up that stuff.
• 1:01:32
  It's interesting you showing that kind of vulnerability
• 1:01:35
  because a lot of people, they'll never know what it's like,
• 1:01:37
  right? I mean, they'll never know what
• 1:01:38
  it's like for you to be in that situation, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:41
  Especially completely transforming your life.
• 1:01:43
  Yeah, and and like I said is why all my friends are regular now.
• 1:01:47
  I do have ex mob friends that are down here and when they come
• 1:01:50
  around, we'll all it's like it's, it's like we come together
• 1:01:54
  and it's just like we're out. We start acting as if we were in
• 1:01:58
  a neighbor still not like toys. We would just start talking and
• 1:02:00
  we just feel like we're still talking lingo like almost like
• 1:02:03
  yo, this guys with that guy. It's just like you can't lose
• 1:02:06
  that for some reason when you're around your old buddies.
• 1:02:09
  Like I'm Dominic Sacali, he was a captain in my family.
• 1:02:12
  We know all the same people. So when I'm sitting, when I'm
• 1:02:14
  talking, it's just like being in the neighborhood again, you know
• 1:02:16
  what I'm saying? Anthony Russo, Colombo, a big
• 1:02:19
  time captain Colombo family. He's down here.
• 1:02:21
  I'm very close with him when we talk and I know all his friends.
• 1:02:23
  I was, I bunked with one of his, one of his crazy friends, you
• 1:02:27
  know, in jail. So it's like you're in the
• 1:02:29
  neighborhood again, you know what I mean?
• 1:02:31
  It can make you start. You just start thinking.
• 1:02:32
  Everything just hits you again, you know what I mean?
• 1:02:34
  So that's the only time like I really start reverting, not
• 1:02:37
  acting out, but just thinking like, wow, it was crazy, you
• 1:02:41
  know what I'm saying? To all the stuff.
• 1:02:42
  And then that, that's the only time when I'm around my people,
• 1:02:44
  I get like, I'm still in life almost for sure get weirded out.
• 1:02:49
  I get it, Like I, I brought up before we started your accent,
• 1:02:52
  right? And just like how New York is so
• 1:02:54
  different than anywhere else, right?
• 1:02:56
  Do you view other people like you guys are from California,
• 1:03:00
  you guys are from Florida. Do you look at other people
• 1:03:02
  like, wow, they they're so different for me, or they talk
• 1:03:04
  so different or like, you're like, well, Matt's accents
• 1:03:07
  weird. What the?
• 1:03:08
  No, not really, no. It doesn't.
• 1:03:09
  It's not. Because I know ours is like, so
• 1:03:12
  unique, you know what I mean? Everyone has their own thing,
• 1:03:13
  you know, even Cleveland has a strong accent.
• 1:03:15
  Cleveland Italians, I'm friends with one.
• 1:03:17
  They have a strong Boston. Forget it.
• 1:03:19
  You know what I mean? So everyone has their own
• 1:03:21
  little, you know, normal thing. I don't.
• 1:03:23
  I don't care about it. Yeah, Yeah, I don't.
• 1:03:25
  I'm not like that. It's nice to be out of jail
• 1:03:27
  though, right? Yeah, isn't that, Yeah, I'm.
• 1:03:29
  Nice to just go outside and there's palm trees everywhere,
• 1:03:32
  sunshine, beautiful women everywhere.
• 1:03:34
  Especially and I was in the hole.
• 1:03:35
  Yeah. So that's like being in a
• 1:03:37
  bathroom, right? Saying for 24 hours I was there
• 1:03:39
  for 80 days at one time. No, I did.
• 1:03:41
  I did a year of total in my life in the box.
• 1:03:43
  Yeah. You've talked to the wall
• 1:03:44
  almost. You have nobody, nothing to do,
• 1:03:46
  right? You can literally draw some
• 1:03:47
  money in the wall and talk to him.
• 1:03:48
  You know, you're in there by yourself 24 hours a day and you
• 1:03:50
  get 3 meals a day. That's it.
• 1:03:52
  Yeah. Breakfast, lunch, dinner.
• 1:03:53
  You last time he eats 430, eat again.
• 1:03:55
  Seven and one. Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  You got to survive all night 'cause no commissary there.
• 1:03:58
  So like you want to, I tell people like you want to glorify
• 1:04:02
  this gangster and those gang stuff and when you get in jail,
• 1:04:05
  you're going to see why. If you want to change and don't
• 1:04:08
  want to do this no more for sure.
• 1:04:09
  You know what I mean? It's horrible way of living and.
• 1:04:12
  There's you can't get that time back.
• 1:04:13
  No, time's the most valuable thing because you can't put a
• 1:04:16
  price on it you can never get. Back ready.
• 1:04:17
  I did 18 to 2022 to 2630 to 36 and then now 3 violations.
• 1:04:28
  When I was out, I didn't know that 18 months.
• 1:04:29
  I thought I missed 13 birthdays, things like that.
• 1:04:33
  It's crazy. And I was supposed to do most
• 1:04:37
  jar in my life in prison. I was supposed to be come home
• 1:04:39
  when I was like 77 years old. Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  So it's horrible. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. How do you counter the new?
• 1:04:45
  Like how do you counteract your new life?
• 1:04:47
  How do you, what do you, what do you, what's your routine to
• 1:04:49
  prevent getting in trouble again?
• 1:04:51
  But do you have any methods? You you know what I mean?
• 1:04:54
  Like psych yourself. Up.
• 1:04:54
  I try like I don't, I try not to let people get under my skin.
• 1:04:57
  You know what I'm saying? I I, I and I talk to people a
• 1:05:00
  lot because I have friends around me that talk sense into
• 1:05:03
  me because like, if I don't have good people around me and they
• 1:05:05
  say, yeah, go do it, Yeah, you should get them, you know, I
• 1:05:09
  mean, then I might go these guys like, no, come on, you gotta
• 1:05:11
  stay out with me. There's so much going on.
• 1:05:13
  Your book is that, you know, so it brings me back like, alright,
• 1:05:17
  I got things to stay. I got a reason to be out here
• 1:05:19
  for sure. You know, I mean, 'cause if I
• 1:05:20
  feel like I ain't gotta nothing going for me, which I do, it'll
• 1:05:23
  put me into like, you know. I got you this guys.
• 1:05:25
  Trying to abuse me, you know, And then I start getting crazy.
• 1:05:28
  It's always about the people you strong yourself.
• 1:05:30
  With yeah, I got good people. That's good.
• 1:05:31
  I have a good people. And hopefully you don't have any
• 1:05:33
  more birthdays except the out here on the streets, you know?
• 1:05:36
  So yeah. A lot of people watching this at
• 1:05:38
  home, they don't realize, you know, one wrong move and you'd
• 1:05:42
  be in jail, you know what I mean?
• 1:05:43
  Especially with me, you know, my record is so atrocious.
• 1:05:46
  I have rigo racketeering, I have state felonies.
• 1:05:49
  I'm a career criminal. So if I get, let's say, for
• 1:05:52
  instance, you punch a guy in the face and you you break his jaw,
• 1:05:56
  let's just say you'll get probation.
• 1:05:58
  I get 10 years. I'm a career criminal.
• 1:06:01
  You understand? I get caught with illegal gun.
• 1:06:03
  They'll give me life in prison. The career arms acne, you
• 1:06:06
  understand. So it's a whole new ball game
• 1:06:08
  for me. It's not like a guy who catches
• 1:06:10
  a charge, I catch a charge, it's over for me.
• 1:06:12
  It's no negotiating. I'm a career criminal.
• 1:06:14
  My guidelines are through the roof so I know what will happen
• 1:06:18
  if I do something bad or really get in trouble.
• 1:06:20
  It's over so. Did you?
• 1:06:23
  Did you say? You said on your social media,
• 1:06:24
  are you and John doing a show again together or you got
• 1:06:27
  something? Yeah, here and there, we all.
• 1:06:28
  Yeah, Yeah, we all. I want to sit.
• 1:06:30
  I don't like to do it to the camera.
• 1:06:31
  Yeah, that's my whole thing. I love doing it like this
• 1:06:34
  because we used to get big views when we sat together.
• 1:06:36
  Forget everybody's glued to us. Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  So I want to sit down together and do it.
• 1:06:40
  Is there anything else you wanted You wanted to promote
• 1:06:42
  your? What's the name of your car wash
• 1:06:43
  business? Oh, oil Spa.
• 1:06:45
  Or detailing oil spa. America, and it's located in the
• 1:06:48
  International Mall under The Cheesecake Factory.
• 1:06:50
  Nice, nice. And then the book is still going
• 1:06:53
  off the show. Yeah, on Amazon.
• 1:06:55
  It is a best seller. Hopefully it becomes ATV show.
• 1:06:58
  See what happens? See what happens with that?
• 1:07:00
  Yeah. I also have another good friend.
• 1:07:02
  He's a karate expert, Tommy. Stunt double in TV shows.
• 1:07:07
  You know, You, you. Come on.
• 1:07:08
  What about you? You're my actor friend too.
• 1:07:09
  Yeah. No, no, yeah, I mean, but.
• 1:07:12
  I see you do that karate. I was bugging out bro.
• 1:07:15
  So that was like animated when you're doing a nice flip scene
• 1:07:18
  that's real. Yeah, man, that's real.
• 1:07:20
  Bro, when he said we that ninja, I was like what the fuck is he
• 1:07:24
  doing that? You're really good, bro.
• 1:07:26
  Thanks man. Yeah, well, you want black belt
• 1:07:29
  like, yeah. I got black belts.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah, man, that's amazing what you were doing.
• 1:07:33
  I like karate, Steven. I'm gonna get Steven.
• 1:07:36
  Seagal, dude. Steve Seagal, man, he does that
• 1:07:38
  fake hand lock. Hold my arm here.
• 1:07:43
  I'm gonna grab your finger Here. Now you're gonna roll over and
• 1:07:46
  do a Acrobat flip like it's not real life.
• 1:07:49
  The one I love about is movies. Every guy just runs at them with
• 1:07:51
  their head down, just throws it through a window.
• 1:07:53
  Every guy just goes sick. Ah, they just run over.
• 1:07:55
  Just chucks him through a window.
• 1:07:56
  That's his karate, you know. We had a our buddy back home.
• 1:07:59
  We did an interview with him. He's a professional MMA fighter.
• 1:08:02
  Oh, Kevin Novachek. Kevin Novachek, he's called Give
• 1:08:04
  Me Your Lunch Money. It's his nickname.
• 1:08:06
  He's not a bully or anything. He's just a funny guy.
• 1:08:08
  But he was in Abu Dhabi with Bilal Muhammad and Khabib,
• 1:08:14
  correct? Yes.
• 1:08:16
  And Steven Seagal walked into the room and Abu Dhabi is for a
• 1:08:19
  UFC event or whatever. And he's dressed in this robe
• 1:08:22
  with his hair slick back, dark hair.
• 1:08:24
  And and it's incredible because I don't know if you if you
• 1:08:27
  follow the UFC or not, but Steven Seagal started making
• 1:08:30
  appearances like years back, like the the middle weight
• 1:08:33
  champion Anderson Silva. Steven Seagal was telling people
• 1:08:36
  that he coached them and that Anderson Silva won the middle
• 1:08:38
  weight title because of him and all this.
• 1:08:40
  Why? Why?
• 1:08:42
  Oh, of course. Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Yeah. Because the Old City trained the
• 1:08:45
  CIA, which is a lie, right? No, absolutely no.
• 1:08:47
  He's a, he's a movie star of that lies, you know?
• 1:08:49
  What I mean but crying on the stand if they testified against
• 1:08:51
  Peter God, the agents were hugging him are.
• 1:08:54
  You. Kidding.
• 1:08:55
  Yes, really. He got Peter.
• 1:08:56
  God in 22 years. He was hugging.
• 1:08:58
  The ages were hugged because they were taking movie checks
• 1:09:00
  from him, so he was crying if they testified.
• 1:09:04
  And Seagal is like this big tough guy, you know what I'm
• 1:09:06
  saying? I couldn't believe it.
• 1:09:07
  I'm like, wow, what's he crying over?
• 1:09:12
  That is the best story ever. How did you find out about?
• 1:09:16
  And he had my judge, Judge Block, the same judge that loves
• 1:09:19
  me. Judge Block, let me tell you,
• 1:09:20
  the greatest guy ever, Judge Block went against the
• 1:09:22
  government so many times for me. And he was the judge on that
• 1:09:25
  case. And yeah, Steven and Steven
• 1:09:28
  Seagal was testified against Peter and was crying.
• 1:09:29
  The ages were hugging him. How did you how did you hear
• 1:09:32
  that? Everyone knows that in my name.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, actually hold.
• 1:09:36
  Yes, he was like just crying. They were hugging us.
• 1:09:39
  Dude, guys, I. Believe he's gonna reach out to
• 1:09:42
  me over this? Hey.
• 1:09:46
  You have nothing to worry. Yeah.
• 1:09:48
  Did you ever see that one movie where he's playing the the
• 1:09:51
  gangster cop in New York? What alpha justice?
• 1:09:54
  Yes accent is horrendous. I hate it Gino anybody know what
• 1:09:59
  BBQ so bad? It's like the worst attack and
• 1:10:02
  you know who's in that? Gianni Russo, who I hate, won
• 1:10:04
  anything the the Italian actor general.
• 1:10:06
  So he's a but it goes on there I was at Paul Castellano's
• 1:10:11
  wedding. He talks like he's the gangster.
• 1:10:12
  I already close up. Well, he's so foolish.
• 1:10:14
  Another one. And I hated that movie, bro.
• 1:10:17
  The actor was absolutely horrible.
• 1:10:18
  The fight scenes. Fight scene was so terrible,
• 1:10:20
  guys just drunk into windows. I think that's.
• 1:10:22
  Why he even became who he was 'cause it was just so bad.
• 1:10:24
  So. Ridiculous.
• 1:10:25
  So bad. Sucks.
• 1:10:25
  It was so bad. I like Jean-Claude Van Damme.
• 1:10:28
  I was a fan of him. He's not sport, blood sport.
• 1:10:30
  I watch all of him. He's really like that bro.
• 1:10:32
  Yeah, he's he's not. He's a real karate, actually.
• 1:10:34
  Yeah, he was a he was a real fighter.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah. Blood Blood Sport was a classic
• 1:10:38
  though. That that that was like MMAB.
• 1:10:40
  That's like you fight like that, right?
• 1:10:42
  Yeah, we do Muay Thai, cake box and stuff like that.
• 1:10:45
  I like to see you fight, Cigar. I'm gonna arrange that.
• 1:10:48
  Dude, hey, I'll do it man I. Want you to kick this down
• 1:10:50
  right? Hey, listen, you do the
• 1:10:52
  commentary, we'll get the cameras, we'll all go viral.
• 1:10:55
  Make those. I'm seriously.
• 1:10:57
  John Gotti Junior's son, is fighting Mayweather again.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah, I heard about that. How did?
• 1:11:01
  How did that get? Arranged.
• 1:11:02
  Who knows, 50 Cent, I think because 50 is good friends with
• 1:11:04
  John Junior, so I think that yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Oh, no, they probably arrange it.
• 1:11:07
  And, you know, the fake fight. Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  So arranged you. I it's so fake.
• 1:11:13
  They just do it. They make it $100 million.
• 1:11:16
  It's fixed. It's like such, you know, I
• 1:11:18
  mean, but it's making money, Yeah.
• 1:11:20
  Do you know who Logan Paul is? Paul.
• 1:11:22
  Brothers. Yeah, they're gazillion is
• 1:11:24
  they're doing great. Yeah, do you?
• 1:11:26
  Are you a fan of their boxing or?
• 1:11:28
  No, Yeah, the one, the younger brother, I think he looks like
• 1:11:31
  he really could fight. Yeah.
• 1:11:32
  I don't know about the tall 1. I don't know that the shorter
• 1:11:34
  one. Yeah, they're both acrobatic
• 1:11:36
  athletes. Definitely, definitely athletes.
• 1:11:38
  But I think it's all, you know, fixed, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:42
  Do. You know Dylan Darris at all?
• 1:11:43
  No. Do you know who he is?
• 1:11:45
  John Elites friends with him, but he was the one that fought
• 1:11:48
  boxed Logan Paul a couple months ago on a card.
• 1:11:52
  He's from New York, he's a big jujitsu guy.
• 1:11:54
  He's good friends with Conor McGregor.
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  John knows knows him. I was just curious.
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  He's a social media star like that, but he's he's very
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  entertaining. He's out there.
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  He's talking mad to the world all the time.
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  Really. You probably get along with,
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  yeah. Like she is, yeah.
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  He's a good ball Buster, yeah. Well, she very good ball Buster.
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  But but yeah. So we're not gonna keep you here
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  all day. Gee all.
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  Right. That was fun.
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  Yeah, it was. I always have a good time with
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  you guys. It's always good to.
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  I love it. You say some things that I'm
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  like, I get caught me off guard, I'm dying.
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  I love it. It's only there's new.
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  Everything we've talk about is viral.
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  I'll do shows like this. I like that.
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  I don't like the ones where it's like I feel uncomfortable.
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  This is awesome. It's like just hanging out with
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  your friends. You know what I'm selling.
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  Yeah, it's crazy. I like shows like this.
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  And these are the shows that rock and everybody like, watches
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  them, you know? Yeah, actually, yeah.
• 1:12:42
  All right, guys, We'll go buy Jean's book right now.
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  Jean. Tell him.
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  Tell him your. Book one in the life.
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  It's Amazon and best seller. Go check it out man.
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  It's amazing book. It's a lot of good stuff in it.
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  How it absolutely. I loved it.
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  I love that book. It was awesome.
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  Alright, Gene. We appreciate your time,
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  brother. Thank you.
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  Thank you.