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Credlin | 19 November · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Goodness me, I love mate, I love old mate. He's
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  Speaker 2: old mate all the time. Welcome to the show. Here's
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  Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredline. Has the Coalition put
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  Speaker 2: up the white flag on immigration cups already? If not,
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  Speaker 2: why the talk that they're resisting clear targets in place
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  Speaker 2: of nebulous principles like they took to the last election.
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  Speaker 2: I love what to say on this shortly and if
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  Speaker 2: the reports are wrong, we'll speak to the liberal immigration
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  Speaker 2: shadow and he can tell me that later in the show.
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  Speaker 2: More tonight. II on what seems to becoming a nationwide
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  Speaker 2: epidemic of liberal leadership coups. Yesterday, of course it was Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Now today rumors continue to swirl that the new South
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  Speaker 2: Wales leader, Mark Speakman could be next. So what's driving
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  Speaker 2: the latest round of political canalization and his video today
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  Speaker 2: trumpeting just how boring he is? Goodness to me, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's going to win colleagues over. Plus, we're
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  Speaker 2: the Senate of the United States approving the release of
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein file. The balls now in the President's court.
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  Speaker 2: Why has it been so casial on this issue and
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  Speaker 2: is there a smoking gun not just for him but
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  Speaker 2: for other presidents too, And the Liberals avowed a dog
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  Speaker 2: lea pursue Pettywong and Katie Gallagher, the mean girls over
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  Speaker 2: the Brittany Higgins saga that's still in the news today.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, though doing his best to dodge questions
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  Speaker 2: or should the.
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  Speaker 3: Payout to Britney Higgins have been more rigorous to protect
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  Speaker 3: the reputations of Linda Reynolds.
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  Speaker 2: And Fiona Brown.
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  Speaker 4: Those things are hand hands off from the governor. I
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  Speaker 4: had no role in that as Prime Minister, and and
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  Speaker 4: that's entirely appropriate if their.
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  Speaker 2: Hands off mate have a proper Integrae inquiry. But first,
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  Speaker 2: showing the limits to their supply of political courage, it
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  Speaker 2: looks like the Coalition could squib having an immigration policy
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  Speaker 2: the voters can take seriously. That's certainly the report today
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  Speaker 2: on the front page of The Australian. But an immigration
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  Speaker 2: policy worthy of the name, of course, must have a number. Certainly,
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  Speaker 2: if the Coalition intends to bring immigration numbers way down,
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  Speaker 2: it's got to tell us how far, and that means
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  Speaker 2: putting a figure on it. Otherwise, what's the point of
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  Speaker 2: any policy, why even have a shadow minister. Indeed, if
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  Speaker 2: they don't care enough to care, and if they don't care,
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  Speaker 2: then that shows how politically stupid the Liberals have become.
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  Speaker 2: Given the white hot anger about migration out there in
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  Speaker 2: the real world beyond Canberra, and Australians their right to
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  Speaker 2: be angry. In the three years to the end of March,
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  Speaker 2: Australia's population rose by one point six five million people,
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  Speaker 2: and about one point two million of that increase was
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  Speaker 2: due to net overseas migration. This is the number of
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  Speaker 2: people arriving here in our country for twelve months or
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  Speaker 2: more less the number that leave for twelve months or more.
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  Speaker 2: That's an average annual increase of some five hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand people. Yet we're averaging the building of one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty new dwellings a year now, assuming we
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  Speaker 2: can accommodate two people per home, that's three hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: people in those dwellings. Why not then set our immigration
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  Speaker 2: numbers at say two hundred thousand a year, about the
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  Speaker 2: annual number of newcomers, along with a natural population increase
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  Speaker 2: that could be accommodated by annual increases in our housing stock.
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  Speaker 2: Better yet why not develop a more rational basis of
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  Speaker 2: determining annual migration numbers, Like is each newcomer making a
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  Speaker 2: contribution to Australia either by coming here to a specific
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  Speaker 2: job from day one or by being an immediate dependent
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  Speaker 2: of a permanent resident, So not on our welfare, not
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  Speaker 2: on our medicare, but totally looked after b other people
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  Speaker 2: that host them, with a hard cap to ensure that
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  Speaker 2: numbers don't exceed our ability to absorb people. That's the
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  Speaker 2: sort of thinking the liberals need to have. But if
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  Speaker 2: the start on that thinking, then they're not serious. Now
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  Speaker 2: that means, of course, severely restricting overseas student numbers because
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  Speaker 2: let's face it, most of them are coming to work
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  Speaker 2: and stay on and get permanent residencies, little to do
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  Speaker 2: with education, and intactly the issue of immigration numbers, so
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  Speaker 2: that the quantity of people that come here are discussed
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  Speaker 2: and it's a public debate, we've also got to look
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  Speaker 2: at the issue of quality because who we take in
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  Speaker 2: plays a large role in Australia's social cohesion, and as
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  Speaker 2: we can see that social cohesion is straining. Some would
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  Speaker 2: argue in Sydney and Melbourne, and I often point to
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  Speaker 2: these look what's happening in some mosques. Some would argue
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  Speaker 2: it is at breaking point. But with today's reports that
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  Speaker 2: all the Coalition will do, at least in the short
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  Speaker 2: term is to announce some immigration principles and directions. They're
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  Speaker 2: calling them. Well, the danger is they'll squib again the
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  Speaker 2: hard work needed for a comprehensive policy, which is exactly
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  Speaker 2: what they did going into this year's election. Here's the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal leader, Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 5: I said when I became leader that we would work
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  Speaker 5: on principles that we would outline before Christmas on our
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  Speaker 5: migration settings. That's because the migration numbers into Australia are
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  Speaker 5: far too high and Labor has got this all wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the Labor Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke accusing
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition of being anti immigrant. Even before it's got
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  Speaker 2: anything like a policy.
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  Speaker 1: They've been made a scapegoat. It's largely been by the
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  Speaker 1: rhetoric of the Liberal Party and that's where that's where
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  Speaker 1: the anti immigration. A whole lot of the anti immigration
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  Speaker 1: rhetric over the last twelve to eight eight months has
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  Speaker 1: come from.
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  Speaker 2: No minister having an immigration rate. It's far too high,
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  Speaker 2: is not scapegoating migrants. It's fixing a mess of labour's
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  Speaker 2: making today. Are the Big Australian mob while they were
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  Speaker 2: out in force saying that any significant cutting my life
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  Speaker 2: migration would depress economic growth and add to the budget deficit.
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  Speaker 2: But hang on, migration's only a net economic benefit if
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  Speaker 2: migrants aren't net contributors who boost the overall productivity of
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  Speaker 2: our country. The fact that we've had two successive years
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  Speaker 2: of declining GDP per person while record migrant numbers have
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  Speaker 2: artificially boosted overall GDP, well, that suggests that improving a
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  Speaker 2: lot of uber drivers and low skilled workers is a
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  Speaker 2: cheap trick to make this government's economic management look a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot better than it really is. If there was
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  Speaker 2: an area of public policy ripe for a fight with labor,
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  Speaker 2: this is it. Because the omen Easy government is running
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  Speaker 2: austray as migration program to suit its political agenda and
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  Speaker 2: to save its budget bacon, rather than to advance our
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  Speaker 2: national interest. Now voters have woken up to this fact,
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  Speaker 2: it's time for the Coalition to do the same and
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  Speaker 2: look today more fallout from yesterday's liberal leadership coup in Victoria,
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  Speaker 2: The Herald Sun reports that The two main instigators were
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  Speaker 2: former shadow treasurers James James Newberry and Brad Roswell, presumably
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  Speaker 2: from spite it being recently demoted, and both hoping now
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  Speaker 2: that the new leader, Jess Wilson, will be dumb enough
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  Speaker 2: to put them back into an economic portfolio, now that
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  Speaker 2: they've helped her get the top job. Now that'd be
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  Speaker 2: absolute madness. Given a good reason for Batten's lack of
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  Speaker 2: economic narrative was the invisibility of those two shadow treasurers.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully Wilson will realize she needs to send these factional
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  Speaker 2: clowns packing and get as someone who is at least
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  Speaker 2: respected by business. And you can add up, but this
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  Speaker 2: does highlight her challengeable broadly because sure she's smart and industrious,
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  Speaker 2: she alone can't do everything. And the problem with that
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  Speaker 2: liberal party room in Victoria is that too many of
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  Speaker 2: them would to fight each other than fight labor. To
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  Speaker 2: many of them are intellectually pedestrian, to be kind, and
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  Speaker 2: far too many are lazy. Having grown comfortable in opposition,
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  Speaker 2: they have forgotten you actually need to work hard in
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  Speaker 2: order to win. And while Wilson can say over and
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  Speaker 2: over again that she wants to get taxes down. She
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  Speaker 2: wants to end the crime crisis, fix the health system,
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  Speaker 2: and make owning a home achievable. The trouble with all
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  Speaker 2: of that is it requires more than just the wish
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  Speaker 2: to make it happen in every area where Victoria is failing.
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  Speaker 2: Making a difference requires more than just a press release,
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  Speaker 2: a new spending announcement or clever lines and a new study.
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  Speaker 2: It actually requires a detailed plan. And the one thing
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  Speaker 2: that Victorian Liberals have never had much of in eleven
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  Speaker 2: years is a plan to make a difference rather than
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  Speaker 2: a hope to change the government and a plot to
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  Speaker 2: change their leader. But this is not confined to Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: The news the Wales Liberals likewise seem focused on changing
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  Speaker 2: their leader rather than working out what they would do
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  Speaker 2: differently to make the state better. And after that epic
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  Speaker 2: struggle over whether to dump the commitment to achieving zero
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  Speaker 2: by twenty fifty rather than embark on what should be
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  Speaker 2: a year's long campaign to counter a generation of climate
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  Speaker 2: brainwashing the factual liberals in Canberra they also look set
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  Speaker 2: to begin their own rounds of political cannibalization. Now here's
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  Speaker 2: a news flash to liberal MPs. Successful political leadership is
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  Speaker 2: not about finding an individual with a bright personality and
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  Speaker 2: from the right demographic. Yes, that will help you around
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  Speaker 2: the margins. But the real test is working out what
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  Speaker 2: most needs to change and working out how to bring
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  Speaker 2: about that change for the better. Above all, it's about
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  Speaker 2: hard work and unity and therein lies the real challenge. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Camper now for the headlines. Skuy new
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  Speaker 2: his political reporter Trinny Macintosh after ditching net zero.
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  Speaker 3: The opposition leader is now promising to reveal more details
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  Speaker 3: about the coalition's plans to slash migration before Christmas.
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  Speaker 5: The migration numbers into Australia are far too high and
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  Speaker 5: Labor has got this all wrong.
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  Speaker 3: The pitch drowned out after former Senator Holly Hughes quit
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  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party, taking aim at Lee's detractors on the
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  Speaker 3: way out.
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  Speaker 6: It is absolutely pathetic that they have not supported Susan
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  Speaker 6: from day one. Big right wing block that wandered down
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  Speaker 6: the corridor together as they push the women up the
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  Speaker 6: front and are quite frankly to Sina and Sarah, I
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  Speaker 6: think are being used.
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  Speaker 3: Senator just sint and ampide for price returned serve.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, she's clearly bitter.
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  Speaker 3: A fighter up sover hospital funding premiers tell the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister states can't simply cut hospital visits to suit the
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  Speaker 3: federal bottom line, venting their frustrations after the mur states
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  Speaker 3: to reduce growth in hospital activity.
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  Speaker 7: We need a new deal here because what's been offered
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  Speaker 7: is just not good enough.
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  Speaker 3: Our health and hospital system has been placed under huge pressure.
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  Speaker 4: We don't conduct negotiations through public press conferences.
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  Speaker 3: And the ABC's managing director tells the Press Club he
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  Speaker 3: welcomes reasonable scrutiny directed at the National broadcaster.
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  Speaker 8: When we make a mistake, own it. We don't defend
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  Speaker 8: at all costs.
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  Speaker 3: Trudy McIntosh, Sky News, Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jonny mnow send your reporter Carolyn Marcus, former
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  Speaker 2: Liberal and Panda Coole Flint. Welcome to you both. Nick.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gone have a word with John o'donneam. He's a
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  Speaker 2: shadow Home Affairs Minister, the bloke in charge of immigration
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  Speaker 2: about their policy or lack thereof. But just today reports
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  Speaker 2: are that our record high population is absolutely wiping out
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  Speaker 2: any growth in the homes we have and already labors
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  Speaker 2: one point two million dollar target which they're nowhere close
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  Speaker 2: to meet. Well, that's obsolete. The Housing Industry Association says
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  Speaker 2: that even if by some miracle we did meet it,
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  Speaker 2: we've got too many migrants coming in to even have
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  Speaker 2: a home for people.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, indeed, and look we've seen so than they make
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  Speaker 9: comments on migration today, she's announced, according to reporting in
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  Speaker 9: The Australian, that they will set out the policies and
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  Speaker 9: principles for our migration policy before Christmas, but they won't
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  Speaker 9: put a figure on that yet because it's still two
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  Speaker 9: and a half years or so until the next federal election. Peter,
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  Speaker 9: I see this issue very much the same as net
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  Speaker 9: zero in terms of how it should be approached. What
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  Speaker 9: we need to see from the federal coalition is the
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  Speaker 9: strategy and the tactics and talking to people community by community,
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  Speaker 9: seat by seat, to take them and let them know
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  Speaker 9: as to what our policy principles are before we do
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  Speaker 9: announce big picture targets. So I'm quite comfortable with them
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  Speaker 9: doing the policy and the principal's work as long as
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  Speaker 9: we see the coalition actually communicate this in a very
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  Speaker 9: careful way. And I've said this before in relation to
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  Speaker 9: net zero, we need to see an advance as studius
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  Speaker 9: style campaign like they ran with the voice on the
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  Speaker 9: issue of immigration and net zero if we have any
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  Speaker 9: chance of winning the next federal election.
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  Speaker 2: My criticism, though, Nicole, is that you know, we're basically
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  Speaker 2: eight or nine months into the term. You only have
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  Speaker 2: three years in a federal context, and the last year
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  Speaker 2: is a racedown to the campaign. At the last election,
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  Speaker 2: they had nembulus principles. Well, we're going to have those
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  Speaker 2: again by the look of things by Christmas, and we
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  Speaker 2: didn't really have a number pushed. Eventually Dan tee and
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  Speaker 2: put a number on it about six weeks out from
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  Speaker 2: the election. No chance to sell it. Itton didn't really
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  Speaker 2: go near it, and it wasn't used as it should
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  Speaker 2: have been to really go after the labor party. So fine,
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  Speaker 2: have your principles by Christmas, but I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: by Easter, you've got to put a figure on it,
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  Speaker 2: because then you've got to spend at least eighteen months
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  Speaker 2: selling that figure and putting the wood on labor, exposing
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  Speaker 2: where labor will not have a number, where labor are
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  Speaker 2: going out there now to try and politicize all of
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  Speaker 2: these new migrants and really take the fight up to them,
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  Speaker 2: because no point having a policy and just dropping on
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  Speaker 2: the desk and walking away and thinking somehow that policy
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  Speaker 2: is going to sell itself. That's my criticism with them.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go if we can to your exclusive please, Caroline,
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  Speaker 2: E Safety Commissioner Julie Inman Grant call to appear before
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  Speaker 2: the US Congress. Is this going to happen? What's the
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  Speaker 2: laws here in relation to her appearance and what do
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  Speaker 2: they want to talk to her about. I know broadly
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  Speaker 2: it's about free speech, but what can you tell us?
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  Speaker 10: Well, it is a voluntary request for Julie Inmand Grant
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  Speaker 10: to go to US Congress and testify before how Representatives
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  Speaker 10: Committee into the Judiciary. They want her to testify about
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  Speaker 10: how Australian laws, and in particular about how her overzealous
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  Speaker 10: enforcement of our laws, in particular the Online Safety Act
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  Speaker 10: is impacting and they say threatening the free speech of
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  Speaker 10: American citizens. Now as to whether she will actually go, well,
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  Speaker 10: that will be up to her. I did put that
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  Speaker 10: question directly to the E Safety Commissioner, but her office
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  Speaker 10: came back to me they didn't answer that question directly. Instead,
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  Speaker 10: they gave me the usual spin about how this that
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  Speaker 10: they they're not trying to censor content globally. But I
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  Speaker 10: understand that the committee will make take moves to compel
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  Speaker 10: her to appear legally if she doesn't, isn't forthcoming about it,
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  Speaker 10: and she has two weeks to meet their dead line
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  Speaker 10: by December twod This letter was explosive though. The Republican
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  Speaker 10: Congressman who chairs this committee, Jim Jordans, said, accused inmand
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  Speaker 10: Grant of her having an expansive interpretation and enforcement of
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  Speaker 10: Australia's Online Safety Act that directly threatens the American free speech.
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  Speaker 10: He didn't mince his words at all in this letter, Peter.
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  Speaker 10: He also accused her of being a noted zealot for
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  Speaker 10: global takedowns. You may remember there were a couple of
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  Speaker 10: court actions involving inmand Grant. She tried to have x
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  Speaker 10: Ilon Musk's platform takedown footage of the stabbing of Bishop
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  Speaker 10: mar Murray Emmanuel in the Western Sydney church. He refused,
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  Speaker 10: and it went all the way to court, and eventually
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  Speaker 10: she withdrew that request, and Musk has had some choice
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  Speaker 10: words to say about her too and called her a
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  Speaker 10: censorship commissar. And since then she's tried to have other
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  Speaker 10: things since it as well, including the stabbing of this
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  Speaker 10: This awful stabbing of the Ukrainian refugee on a North
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  Speaker 10: Carolina train in August. These companies say that it's fine
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  Speaker 10: for us to do it. These are US platforms. It's
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  Speaker 10: fine for us to do it in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: If that's a law.
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  Speaker 10: A lot of people here would disagree. We want free
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  Speaker 10: speech too, they say, but in America it conflicts where
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  Speaker 10: their First Amendment rights. And just because she wants to
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  Speaker 10: stop Australian seeing something, it shouldn't infringe on that. So
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  Speaker 10: I'll keep you posted on where this goes. But I
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  Speaker 10: do have a feeling that she's going to have to
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  Speaker 10: be kicked and screamed, dragged kicking and screaming.
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  Speaker 2: There you got wrong. Let's go to comments from the
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  Speaker 2: new Victorian Opposition leader, Jess Wilson last night. This is
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  Speaker 2: on the issue of biological men in prisons. Nicole. I
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  Speaker 2: know this is something you've been pushing very hard with
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  Speaker 2: the Premier in South Australia. Let's listen to what she
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  Speaker 2: had to say. Say again, I.
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  Speaker 11: Don't think there is a place for biological men in
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  Speaker 11: women's prisons. I think that there is a need to
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  Speaker 11: ensure that people women in women's prisons feel safe and
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  Speaker 11: that is something that I'm prepared to stand up and
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  Speaker 11: say I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Going to stand for. Well, nice to see another would
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  Speaker 2: be leader or certainly would be premier here, Nicole not
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  Speaker 2: think it is a niche issue.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, I could not be more delighted with the new
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  Speaker 9: Victorian Opposition leader Jess Wilson's comments on women's right to
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  Speaker 9: safety in jails. The other thing she could do to
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  Speaker 9: really cement her standing on women's issues is make more
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  Speaker 9: redeeming the shadow Minister for Women. But Peter, as you
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  Speaker 9: have pointed out, and I'm so grateful to you for
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  Speaker 9: your advocacy on this issue. We've seen labor premiers around
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  Speaker 9: the country refuse to engage and refuse to act on
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  Speaker 9: this issue, and you wrote an excellent column in the
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  Speaker 9: Sunday Papers outlining precisely how Premier Peter Malinowskis has declared
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  Speaker 9: women's safety in jails a niche issue. Now, if it's
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  Speaker 9: a niche issue in jails where women are at their
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  Speaker 9: most vulnerable, then surely Premiere you're suggesting that it's a
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  Speaker 9: niche issue everywhere. We need to keep holding labor premiers
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  Speaker 9: to account and I'll certainly be doing that and Women's
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  Speaker 9: Forum Australia and Peter, I know you will as well.
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  Speaker 2: You are not wrong. So well Caroline, so she's joining
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  Speaker 2: me now on another issue. But we've hear just the
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  Speaker 2: South Anoon, New Zealand has joined a raft of countries
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  Speaker 2: now in Caroline that have banned the use of puberty
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  Speaker 2: blockers in children.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, this is really interesting and I would say the
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  Speaker 10: correct step. I mean there's been areas of Australia that
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  Speaker 10: have taken the step as well, like in Queensland after
• 19:55
  Speaker 10: it was discovered that a North Queensland clinic was giving
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: out puberty blockers to kids as young as twelve, I
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: think some even younger than that without parental consent, without
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: the right authority. It's been a huge issue, but one
• 20:09
  Speaker 10: that a lot of media feels like they cannot report
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: on because of the backlash that you can get from
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: the transactivist lobby. I mean, I've been talking and writing
• 20:21
  Speaker 10: about this issue since about twenty sixteen and I would
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: receive a lot of backlash, but it wouldn't stop me
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: from talking about it. But it seems to have been
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: effective in silencing large sections in the media and even
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: the ABC chief Hugh Mark said today at the Press
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: Club that he acknowledged that it was right for people
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: to raise this concern over the ABC's coverage of transgender issues.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: Note in the seven point thirty report last week of
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: the IOC's impending announcement likely announcement that it would ban
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: transgender women from every female category, the ABC seven thirty
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: report did a piece on that with not a single
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: biological female reaction. They had one male academic and one
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: biological male runner who's identifies as transgender give their responses
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: in the piece. So even Media Watch is now admitting
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: that they're a gap, that there is a significant gap
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: in how the ABC covers this issue. And I think
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: with more countries, more states and territories taking steps like
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: New Zealand, We're going to see a lot more confidence
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: and courage I'm hoping in other sections of the media
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: to report on this in a fair and balance way.
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  Speaker 2: Dan, you and I both know it's not a gap
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: at the ABC. It's not an oversight. It's absolutely done deliberately.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: We'll leave it there, Thank you both. Let's go out
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, who has a big victory at the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: United Nations Security Council on the issue of the Middle
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: East with the UN's one serious decision making body endorsing
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the President's Gaza peace plan. In his piece today in
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: The Australian, Greg Sheridan said that he could barely believe
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: what he was writing. Greg joins him in our foreign eder.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Of course, at the Australian, you say he deserves a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: lot of credit here, but you are concerned about how
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: on earth they put this into practical reality. Explain you thinking, Greek.
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: Well, Peter, great to be with you. I'm just back
• 22:23
  Speaker 12: from a little break. So Trump has had a tremendous
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: victory at the United Nations Security Council. He not only
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: got them to endorse his Gaza peace plan, but he
• 22:35
  Speaker 12: got Russia and China to abstain. This was traditional and
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: good use of American diplomacy by getting all the Arab
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: states and the Muslim world behind the plan. Russia and
• 22:46
  Speaker 12: China didn't want to be seen to be vetoing something
• 22:49
  Speaker 12: the Arab world supported. And this is the best prospect
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: for a decent future for the poor people of Gaza
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: that has been for many years. The American president wants
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: to associate himself and put American resources and lead international
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: resources into rebuilding Gaza. But the big butt is Hummas
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: is controlling the territory where Israel is not present. It
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: is murdering Palestinians, and it rejected the UN Security Council resolution,
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: and it shows no sign of being willing to disarm
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: now unless Hummas disarms. I don't believe any Arab nation
• 23:31
  Speaker 12: would send in troops to go to war with Hummas
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: to make them disarmed. Even the Israelis have been unable
• 23:37
  Speaker 12: to do that in two years of war. So I
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: do think that, you know, unless there's a tremendous change
• 23:44
  Speaker 12: of heart in Hummas, perhaps brought about by pressure by
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: their Arab backers under pressure from Trump, but that doesn't
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: seem that likely at the moment. Therefore, it possibly won't
• 23:54
  Speaker 12: be implemented. But we're still much better off than we
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: were a couple of months ago when go war was raging.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: You're not wrong. Maybe what we need is all those
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: protesters to get back onto university campuses and marks through
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: our city streets, calling on Gaza now, calling on a
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Hummas to do the right thing. That'll turn the tide.
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: Surely, well, plainly, this makes it absolutely clear that Hummas
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: is the enemy of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: are sick to death of this terrible conflict. They've got
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: a chance now for peace, for billions of dollars of
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: reconstruction aid, and indeed, the peace plan even says there'll
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: be a pathway to a Palestinian state. That's controversial, but
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: it's in the peace plan that Trump endorses, and the
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: only thing stopping it from happening is Hummus. So you're
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: absolutely right, Peter. I'll be delighted to see not only
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: the demonstrators but also our own government come out and
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: apply some of the energy they've applied to criticizing Israel
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: now to criticizing Hummas for preventing this deal from going forward.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And I tell what, I hope some of that requ
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: instruction money has got billions there to fill those tunnels
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: up with concrete so that we never see the like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of them again. Hey, talk to me about this whole
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Epstein file saga. I mean, I followed it, as we
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: both have all the way through the campaign and beyond.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: The President really wanted the files out. Then he got there,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and he's sort of gone a bit weak on the files.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Pushed obviously now through the Congress passed both Houses, past
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the Senate, overwhelmingly, it'll go to the AG. She will
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: decide whether or not it's you know, the quality of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: the documents released, how transparently we might find out what's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in these files. Of course, she's got a number of
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: days to redact a material and names. But it's no
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: surprise that Trump knows Epstein, right or new Epstein, given
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: they both were, you know, big fish in the New
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: York Pond. Fine, but isn't it the Clinton types and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the Bill Gates and everybody else who's been connected to him,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They just as likely to be nervous here as much
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: as someone like Donald Trump would be. And looked, if
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has got something to hide, well, surely the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Democrats would have got these files out earlier.
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: I think that's all right, Peter, I think that's all true.
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: And who would have thought Larry Summers? Honestly, who would
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: have thought Larry Summers? There might yet be more stuff
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: there about the non performance artist formerly known as Prince Andrew.
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: I do think at one level this is a popular stunt.
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: At another level, it's kind of sickening.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: It does indicate a kind of moral squalor amongst a
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: great celebrity class of Americans. What Epstein was doing was
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: trafficking underage girls, you know, under eighteen for sex, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: he was convicted of this, and then a lot of rich,
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: famous Americans remain friends with him, if not availing themselves
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: of his services. And I think from Woody Allen to
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: Bill Clinton, to Larry Summers to Prince Andrew, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: if there was something embarrassing about Trump, I think it's
• 27:10
  Speaker 12: more likely to be in the realm of him still
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: being matey with Epstein, because I think if there was
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: a smoking gun there, as you say, it would would
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: have come out. In Virginia, Jeffrey, who was very brave
• 27:23
  Speaker 12: about her testimony, said that she never saw Trump do
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: or innimate in any way anything improper. But I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: you know, Trump is a mixed grill. He's good and
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: he's bad. I don't think it's very attractive that he
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: was such a good buddy of Epstein, but there it is.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I'll see what the Lewinsky saga would be seen to
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a very different lens these days. So I think Bill Clinton,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: that's right, me, the most nervous one out there, will
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: leave that there. Thank you, greeg. Coming out questions over
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the leadership. Liberal Party isn't just contained to Canberra. We
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: saw what happened in Victoria yesterday. A lot of talk
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: though now out of New South Wales in relation to
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Marcus Speakman, talk about the killing season in November. What
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the heck is going on? Coming out? We're going to
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: talk immigration with the coalition's shadow policy chief. We'll see
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: if they can put a number on it. Susan Lee's
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: not so concerned. I hope he is. But first let's
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: bring in my panel, Liberal MP Tony Passon, Sky News
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: contributor Jamie Rodgers. I want to start with the Liberal leadership.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: But while I have you, tiny Passon, I would hope
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: between now in the election, you will have a proper
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: fan income immigration policy that puts a number on how
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: many people you want to come to Australia, with some
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: sense of what our overall population should be, rather than
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Labour's big Australia by stealth. What's your view?
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: I'm with you completely, Peter, and I wouldn't give us
• 28:54
  Speaker 13: until the next election. If we learned nothing from the
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: last election, were then our policy's out loud and proud,
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: nice and early. I think we need to set this
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: position by Christmas, to be honest, so that we can
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: sell it over the course of next year and beyond.
• 29:09
  Speaker 13: My view is we need to set a number that
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: reflects the capacity for Australia and Australians to build houses
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: for these new arrivals. And I'm perfectly comfortable with a
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: number which is much less than the long term average
• 29:25
  Speaker 13: because we're living through a housing crisis. I wrote about
• 29:30
  Speaker 13: this recently, Peter, when I made the point that traditionally
• 29:32
  Speaker 13: migration was about serving the interests of the nation. Right
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: now the interest of the nation for us to press
• 29:38
  Speaker 13: the brakes and arguably to press them very hard at
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: the moment, because until housing and the critical infrastructure like schools, hospitals,
• 29:49
  Speaker 13: roads etc. Catch up, then we're just making a rod
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: for our own back.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: See what I love what I hear, Tony Pass and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I hope you're speaking out loudly in the party room.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: You've got another week in Canberra. Keep it up. Let's
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: go to the New South Wales levels. We saw what
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: happened obviously yesterday Jamie and Victoria Mark Speakman under pressure.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: There's talk there could be a move against him tomorrow
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: on Thursday, but he has put out what I'd regard
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: as a pretty unusual pitch for the leadership. Let's have
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: a listen.
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: We focus so much these days on the performer and
• 30:23
  Speaker 14: not their actual performance, especially in politics. I don't believe
• 30:27
  Speaker 14: in showing off. I believe in showing up. I guess
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: that means I'm a bit boring to some people. But
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: you know what, Boring gets the job done. Delivering for
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: the future has become a forgotten concept in politics, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: Australians need that delivery more than ever.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not so convinced. What do you think.
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: I'm not sure you should be standing up there, Peter
• 30:51
  Speaker 15: and declaring that you're boring, especially when he's not resonating
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: in the polls. And there was that recent Daily Telegraph
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: article where someone was going out and asking who knew
• 31:02
  Speaker 15: Mark Speakman and no one did.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So.
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: For someone that's trying to convince his party that he
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: is the person to take on Chris Min's I probably
• 31:09
  Speaker 15: wouldn't be selling myself as boring. Chris Mens is extremely charismatic.
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: He's not doing his job, but people like him. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: think when you're in politics, and especially in a leader,
• 31:19
  Speaker 15: boring is not something that you want to be Now
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: regarding tomorrow, it's going to be very interesting to see
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: if Alistair Henskins or Kelly Sloan ends going and taking
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: on for the leadership. It looks like Alistair Henskins might
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: do it, and then Kelly Sloan can open the door
• 31:34
  Speaker 15: for Kelly because I spoke to her with Jamie on
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: our podcast just recently and I asked Kelly about this
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: leadership opportunity, and she did make it very clear that
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: she doesn't want to be the one to knife Mark
• 31:45
  Speaker 15: in the back because he's always been a huge supporter
• 31:47
  Speaker 15: of hers, but she is very popular amongst the Liberal Party.
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: I've had a lot of people write to meet Peter
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: throughout the past few weeks just to say how much
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: they really liked Kelly Sloane every time they see her
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: in the press and think that she'd be a really
• 31:59
  Speaker 15: good leader for the Liberals. So it's going to be
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: interesting to see what happens tomorrow. And both Alistair and Kelly,
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: I can't say they're boring, so they're certainly make headway
• 32:09
  Speaker 15: in that space.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be interesting? And the ABC it'd have to
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: sort of, you know, grind its teeth at the terrible,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: terrible women's problem in the Liberal Party of three out
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: of its five or six national leaders or four if
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: you count Leaf Nikiaro, four are women no quotas inside
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: as well. Hey, talking about the ABC all of this
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: carry on, Tony passon about the fact that say, the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: New South Wales Liberals are not backing net zero nor
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: other nationals of there is talk about it that they
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: might move whilst you federally have walked away from net zero.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, two fifths of bugger all matters about whether
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the states have a target. It's a national target that matters,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and a national target up against any sort of global number.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: We know globally most of the bigger bitters are doing
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Diddley's squad. But this obsession about what's happening on climate
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: change at a local council level, again even at a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: state level, I think is absolutely meaningless.
• 33:09
  Speaker 13: My message, Peter through you to state government's Ryder crat
• 33:13
  Speaker 13: Cross the nation is stick to your knitting. They're knitting
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: in this space is energy generation. And when we think
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: about energy generation, if I can take the jurisdiction we're
• 33:23
  Speaker 13: talking about New South Wales. There's a lot of talk
• 33:27
  Speaker 13: about net zero on these things, but when it really matters,
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: when the pressure is on, when we need to make
• 33:31
  Speaker 13: sure the lights stay on all of a sudden, the
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: decisions we see are decisions to extend the life of
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: coal fired power stations. Now, presumably that's a position with
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: respect to her airing that the New South Wales Liberal
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: Party supports, and so I find it very difficult to
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: reconcile these positions. I just want them to focus on
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: what we need from them, and what we need from
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: them right now is a practical, pragmatic approach to energy generation.
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: The fact that we've got ourselves in this mess is
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: a product of too many chiefs and not enough Indians,
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: too many people wanting to stir the pot, and no
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: one wanting to take responsibility.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Just John that tiny passon. What about at Lassie and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Mike cannon Brooks and we know donates to the tears
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: by a climate two hundred. He has climate targets for
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: his company. They have not met them this year, they
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: didn't meet them last year, and they didn't meet them
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the year before.
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: Peter, if your listeners do nothing else this evening but
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: to grab a copy of Jonni Basham's piece in The
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: Australian Today, they must read it. I've asked all members
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: of my staff to read it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Today.
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: Here we have a company run owned by Mike cannon
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: Brooks that wants to lecture the corporate world about what
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: they need to do in relation to meeting net zero
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: and lo and behold, we find out they didn't meet
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: their targets this year, they didn't meet them last year,
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: and they won't meet them next year. There's a line
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: in the piece that says, not only did they did
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: they miss their targets, but they lapped them twice. I mean,
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: this is a hypocrisy written large. It just reminds me
• 35:18
  Speaker 13: of that maxim Do as I do.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: As I say, I say, not as I do.
• 35:26
  Speaker 13: See where this debate has got to.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Zalie Stegel used to drive around in a great, big,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: gas guzzling four wheel drive lecturing all of us. Yeah,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: good on that one. Let's go to the ABC. You
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: don't mind a bit of a lecture. They're managing director
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: of course. At the National Press Club today, Hu Marks
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and he was asked about and Chris Kenny has been
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: absolutely diligent on this about concerns regarding bias and their reporting.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Have a listen, you.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: Would be aware of concerns raised, including on Sky News,
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: about the coverage of Donald Trump's January sixth speech, but
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: to raising concerns around the line of fire series the
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: Gunshot audio. Do you view these as reasonable scrutiny of
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: fair criticism and do you think they're worthy of further inquiry?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, as I said at the time, I think
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: the comparison of the ABC four Corners to the BBC
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Panorama show was opportunistic. The same faults were not consistent
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: on both programs, so I didn't accept that was legitimate criticism.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that the courts would say that, Jamie,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: because the ABC has had plenty of payouts in relation
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: to some of this stuff. What did you make of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: his response?
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: So I watched that address to the Press Club, Peter,
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: and I found it really interesting. A lot of the
• 36:40
  Speaker 15: words that he was using throughout his speech regarding how
• 36:44
  Speaker 15: the ABC is so impartial and how important they are
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: to Australians and that's where we all go to get
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: our information because they're journalists are top quality, and he
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: just kept reiterating that line impartial where impartial? And I
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: just couldn't help it sit there and think it's lucky
• 37:01
  Speaker 15: that we've got people like Chris Kenny, who's been so
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: good highlighting just how biased they have been in their reporting,
• 37:09
  Speaker 15: in particular around Donald Trump and in that January sixth riot,
• 37:13
  Speaker 15: where they have edited out some really key pieces of
• 37:16
  Speaker 15: his speech where he was saying we're going to walk
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: down there and cheer on a members of the Senate
• 37:21
  Speaker 15: and the congressmen and women who were doing a really
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: good job. But they removed that and left the pieces
• 37:26
  Speaker 15: in there where he's saying we're going to fight. We're
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: going to fight, but without context of the rest of
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: the speech, it looked as though he was really inciting
• 37:34
  Speaker 15: all that violence on January sixth. And it's worth also
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: noting that he did say in his speech for Donald
• 37:40
  Speaker 15: Trump that he for everyone to walk peacefully to the Capitol,
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: and all of that was removed. So I did just
• 37:46
  Speaker 15: think it was very interesting that Mark was standing up
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: there saying, hey, we're here, we're subject to scrutiny, we
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: should be scrutinized, because we'll do a better job if
• 37:56
  Speaker 15: we are. But then as soon as he's asked a
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: question by cam Redden, there is just saying it was opportunistic,
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: So I just think the whole thing just made me
• 38:04
  Speaker 15: feel quite concerned about what's coming out of the ABC,
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: because it was a perfect time that Hey, he's up
• 38:10
  Speaker 15: there saying we need to own our mistakes. So go
• 38:12
  Speaker 15: and own it and say yeah, we made a mistake
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: and apologize, and then we can move on.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I just recon at the next census, we give everyone
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the opportunity. We will pay your fee to the ABC
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: as taxpayers. The government will pay. You just have to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: tick the box. If you want the ABC, you tick
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the box. Otherwise we'll keep the one billion dollars in
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: our pocket and only those who ticket will get it
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: for free. Everybody else will save the money. Wouldn't that
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: be nice? Dwindling audience will get any great plan. I'll
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: leave it there, see you both soon. Right after the break,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: we're going to get into migration. The Shadow Minister for
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the Coalition federally up next. Welco about Kelvirich. It is
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: of course coming up. It's Wednesday, after all, the first
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee said to lay out broad immigration policy principles
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: before Christmas rather than commit to a fixed migration target,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: as she seeks to balance internal conservative pressure, economic warnings
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and her own leadership instability. Now, I think it's madness
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: not to have a number. You just heard Tony Pass
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and he thinks one should be out there by Christmas
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and then give the next guest shut a Minister for
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Home Affairs, Jonathan Dunium, plenty of time to sell it well,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Jonathan joins me. Now I'm going to ask you. You
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: know you know this stuff. I know you're a warrior.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I know that you have long argued for a reduction
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: in immigration. I think the principles are pretty clear. I
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: think the principles can be almost out the next day.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: But you've got to have a number, Jonathan, or you're
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: just not credible.
• 39:41
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I can guarantee you now, Peter, we will have
• 39:43
  Speaker 16: a number. Now, it may not be by Christmas, but
• 39:46
  Speaker 16: bearing in mind the election is still after Christmas, nearly
• 39:49
  Speaker 16: two and a half years away. It will be well
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: before the election, but it'll be a number that he's
• 39:54
  Speaker 16: founded on those principles. We're talking about those very basic
• 39:57
  Speaker 16: things that this government has got so fundamental wrong. They
• 40:01
  Speaker 16: can't build houses to save their life. They haven't been
• 40:04
  Speaker 16: able to properly manage health and education with the state
• 40:06
  Speaker 16: and territory governments. Our infrastructure is woefully inadequate and Australians
• 40:10
  Speaker 16: pay the price. So those basic inputs of data, how
• 40:14
  Speaker 16: many houses, how many hospital beds, how many school places
• 40:17
  Speaker 16: are going to be available to accommodate these people. And
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: of course, on top of that, who do we want
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: coming here? What are they bringing to this country? What
• 40:25
  Speaker 16: skills set are they going to bring? Are they going
• 40:26
  Speaker 16: to contribute to our economy or will they be a
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: drag on it? Those sorts of things all need to
• 40:31
  Speaker 16: be a part of what we will announce by way
• 40:33
  Speaker 16: of a policy moving forward. And as I say, I
• 40:36
  Speaker 16: guarantee there will be a number is what we as
• 40:38
  Speaker 16: part of what we announce in this term, and it
• 40:41
  Speaker 16: is one we will fight for because Australians want it,
• 40:44
  Speaker 16: They're crying out for it, and we will give it
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: to you.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I'd said a bit earlier, you wouldn't have heard my
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: comments that you know, I'll let you off the hook
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: by Christmas, but I tell you, come Easter, you have
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: to have a number. You know, every single time I
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: used to interview Dante and Peter Dutton, this that say
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: all the right things, that the principles are there. The
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: principles are almost writ into the Liberal Party platform. You
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: don't need to think those up. They're there for you.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: But the number was so slow in coming. And then
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: of course, in the calamity of a campaign, when you've
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: got twenty other things you're fighting on, it wasn't in
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: my view, sold enough. The fire was not put under
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: under labour's feet and labor bearing the responsibility for this.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And also, I think and you made the good point there.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: It's not just a debate about the quantity of migrants,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: it's about the quality of migrants. So I'm pleased to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: say you're not going to sort of squib debating who
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: we are bringing and the sort of values they're coming with.
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: Now, who we bring into this country fundamentally can change
• 41:48
  Speaker 16: the fabric of our nation, and we want to keep
• 41:50
  Speaker 16: this country great. It's why these migrants come to Australia
• 41:54
  Speaker 16: because they want to be a part of this amazing
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: nation and take advantage of what it has to offer. Well,
• 41:59
  Speaker 16: if people want the country to continue to be the
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: country that it was when they got here, we've got
• 42:04
  Speaker 16: to make sure that the people we're bringing in share
• 42:07
  Speaker 16: our values, uphold the rule of law, respect our democracy
• 42:11
  Speaker 16: and the freedoms that come with it, respect others' religions, etc.
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: But every day between now and the next election, as
• 42:18
  Speaker 16: we announce our policy, the number, all of those things,
• 42:22
  Speaker 16: we are going to hammer how wrong labor has got this.
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: I mean these basic questions. We will be taking Australians
• 42:28
  Speaker 16: on the journey with us on in asking about how
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: many houses are there in Sydney that we can house
• 42:35
  Speaker 16: these people in as they come into our country. How
• 42:37
  Speaker 16: is the New South Wales or the Victorian public health
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: system coping if these people get sick? Can we look
• 42:42
  Speaker 16: after them? We are going to do this in a
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: very transparent way, in a way your viewers and people
• 42:48
  Speaker 16: right across the country are going to be able to understand.
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: And by the time the election comes around, that number
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: we put out there will be entirely defensible. People will
• 42:56
  Speaker 16: understand and they'll come with us on the journey and
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: will have won this debate very very strongly.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And I think what's really important, John, Know, it's not
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: just the focus on the permanent migration number, because that's
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: usually relatively low. It's the nom you know, the net
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: overseas migration number. How many people are here lest those
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: that have left Australia and if you're here for twelve months,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you need somewhere to stay, you need a way to
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: get around, you need a job. And that's where the
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: pressure is not so much on the permanent migration basis,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: but on the nom So that means you've got to
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: really pick a fight with the university sector and you've
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: got to explain this to Australians. And I remember when
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I worked in this portfolio and the Howard era. I
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: tell you the biggest supporters of John Howard's tough stand
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: on immigration were fellow migrants who a came the right
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: way and as you say, came to this country because
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: they wanted to share this country's values. And the people
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: that did not, that came after them or speculation that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: they might come, they were incredibly tough and supported him
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in making a stand. So I know, you've got to
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: take the fight up to labor and lightning and zero.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: This could win you the election.
• 44:08
  Speaker 16: I totally agree. And this fear that we might offside
• 44:11
  Speaker 16: maragrant communities by being strong on this issue is wrong.
• 44:16
  Speaker 16: You just made the point. And I know, well because
• 44:18
  Speaker 16: I'm married to an immigrant, a political refugee. No less,
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: they want integrity in the system. They want it to
• 44:23
  Speaker 16: work for all the reasons we've already discussed, and you
• 44:26
  Speaker 16: are quite right, there are those short term residents of
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: our country who of course are here under that net
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: overseas migration number. But also we've got that element of
• 44:38
  Speaker 16: people who overstay, people who have come to the end
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: of their These are seeking to apply or rejected and
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: then find themselves in the court system. We've got to
• 44:47
  Speaker 16: have a better way of dealing with them as well.
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: That is a big drain on our system. And of
• 44:50
  Speaker 16: course two thousand every month, i'm told being added to
• 44:53
  Speaker 16: that list of people that's got to be clamped down on.
• 44:56
  Speaker 16: And you can be guaranteed we'll be dealing with that
• 44:58
  Speaker 16: as well.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Just quickly your old portfollowing your environment. I'll tell you what.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: If Adelaide does not host cop that's a win for
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the Prime minister. If it does, that's a gift for you.
• 45:12
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it is.
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: I cannot believe that they are still sort of tinkering
• 45:17
  Speaker 16: around and trying to pitch in for this hosting this
• 45:21
  Speaker 16: summit craankly two billion dollars that we don't have.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It is nuts.
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: We could be spending on that so many other ways.
• 45:28
  Speaker 16: Health education housing instead day one.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Look at what I got to leave it here, But
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: look what the premiers are doing. They're clamoring. The premiers
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: are clamoring for hospital funding. There's two billion in the
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: kick that could go there straight away. Thank you, thank you, mate,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I mean chris Min's camp on that one. Thank you.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunny A quick break, Kel Richards. After the break,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: welcome back, joining me now, Kel Richards, as he does
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: every Wednesday. Hey, yesterday in the Parliament chris Min's was
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: rebuked by the speaker for unparliamentary language. All it did
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: was call someone on the other side mate. I think
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: you should be rewarded of that in the parliament.
• 46:10
  Speaker 17: Yes, perfectly, Okay. I had to listen to the audio
• 46:13
  Speaker 17: of what men said, and he said I'd welcome your
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: insights mate. In other words, he was using it in
• 46:18
  Speaker 17: a friendly, appropriate, open, a vuncular sort of way, the
• 46:22
  Speaker 17: way we do in Australia. It's normal and it's a
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: very very Australian word. I know, mate is used in
• 46:29
  Speaker 17: English nations around the world, but it's different here because
• 46:33
  Speaker 17: we in this country and only here, invented the concept
• 46:36
  Speaker 17: and the word matship and matship imbused this word mate
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: with something really important. You know, you never let a
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: mate down. You've got to stand by a mate whatever
• 46:44
  Speaker 17: he's done. So it's an important Australian word. And how
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: the speaker of any parliament can think that's improper is
• 46:51
  Speaker 17: beyond me.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: And you're right, it's the intonation of mate. You know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: there's ten different ways you can say it. I know
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: you can take unbridge its ways, but I love it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I'd hate to see it disappear from our language, little
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: one our parliament. Hey, John wants to know the origin
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: of the phrase between a rock and a hard place.
• 47:09
  Speaker 17: This is interesting. It's American, first recorded nineteen twenty one.
• 47:12
  Speaker 17: And the interesting thing is how the meaning changed when
• 47:15
  Speaker 17: the first time it turns up in print nineteen twenty one,
• 47:18
  Speaker 17: what it refers to is bankruptcy. But then by about
• 47:22
  Speaker 17: nineteen thirty it have become what we know it to be.
• 47:24
  Speaker 17: Now there are no good options. Every option of athlopol
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: is really unattractive. It's really interesting how it changed. We've
• 47:31
  Speaker 17: got no idea, but that happened nineteen thirty in America.
• 47:34
  Speaker 17: That's it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It was in the news just recently because of the
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Crown Jewels of France that was stolen. Kat wants to
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: know what's the pronunciation, the correct pronunciation for the love.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I know it is the louver, but she said, when
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you listening to radio and television, they are about twenty
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: different pronunciations going around. What does Kel think?
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: Yes, you're right, there's a lot of confusion here. It's
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: clear the French have a two syllable pronunciation. They say louverra.
• 48:04
  Speaker 17: I've heard it in Paris, louverrais. I say, no, no, no, no, no,
• 48:10
  Speaker 17: you're not wrong because there's an established English pronunciation, which
• 48:13
  Speaker 17: is one syllable louve. That's it. It's the established English pronunciation.
• 48:18
  Speaker 17: You and I Peeder are speaking English, that's what we
• 48:21
  Speaker 17: say louve.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Well, then, just quickly, what happens with Chile because we
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: always say Chile. Now people are saying Chile. Is that
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: the same?
• 48:30
  Speaker 17: No, no, no, they're being pampas and silly. It's still Chili.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I leave there, see you next week.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Cal He's Andrew