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Autism Life Skills with Therapist Karla · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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You have arrived. Welcome to the Aspy world.
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Here's where we talk about anything and everything ASD in
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an upbeat and informative way. And now here's your man on the
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spectrum, your autism ambassador, Daniel Morgan Jones.
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We are live. What's going on?
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Instagram live. What up?
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Just waiting for you guys to get the notifications in here and
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then we'll get started. Today's guest is a really good
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friend of mine called Carla and she is from a company called
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Aims Global. It's going to be awesome.
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Me and my Owl City hoodie with up if you don't know I'm yeah,
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Owl City's a I'm a really big fan of LCD stuff.
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Following. Hey guys, how's it going?
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Andrew? RNV Katoria Timbers.
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Jonathan Carabello. How's it a cool name, dude?
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Carabello, my man. Neurodivergent therapist.
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Joined Blocker. How's it going, Andrew?
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How are you? ADHD.
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Hair from my face. Wear the hair on me.
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I have no idea. ADHD.
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Yeah, man. Audi HD.
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I've been following you for a long time.
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I love your channel. Thank you so much, dude.
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Hello, Dan. How are you doing?
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I have a bit. I have a bit autism DCD.
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I'm not entirely sure what that means.
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Hi, Dan. How's it going?
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I am good. Thank you.
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Busy as ever, Big up, brother Wagwan.
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Just trying to excuse me. Just trying to yeah, change
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there's some content on my channel as well.
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My YouTube channel guys don't know.
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I do run a YouTube channel called the aspy world, just like
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it is on here, but just a bit more long form video.
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Give me a second here guys right then, so I am waiting for my
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friend Carla. So Carla, the person I'm going
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to be talking to today is Kyla Pittorius, who is Victoria, I
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can't remember if I saying her name right, but she's got a,
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she's got her own channel on here as well, but she's like a
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newer divergent therapist, which basically means that she has
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ADHD and she's also a therapist. And actually she's my therapist
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as well, which is amazing. And she's such a great woman.
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I'm going to get her in here. Right.
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Noi, my son is 9 and ODHD. Yeah, Yeah.
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Cool. Sounds awesome.
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Let me have a look here. If I can get Carla in here,
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let's have a look. I'm an Electro techno love
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dispenser. Came from a Chinese tech
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inventor, Carla. How are you, Dad?
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Mate, I'm all right, I'm it's evening time, so it's always a
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little bit more chill in the house that evening, you know,
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it's always go, go, go during the day isn't?
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It. Yeah, exactly.
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And it's A and it's a bit dark here.
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I don't know if this is OK. It's a light green.
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No, it's fine I think. It's live so.
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It's OK, I can see to. The live universe.
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We'll have you. Stayed in the joint.
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How's it going? I can see you.
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Can you? Hear me?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Is it? Can you hear me all right,
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Carla? Signals that.
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Yeah. OK, you got me.
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OK, cool. I'm just going to open the door.
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Sometimes I need to let the Internet into the room.
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What? Yeah.
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You're letting the farts out of the room.
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So what you do? Hey, come on.
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Come. On the Internet, come inside.
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Hello and. Hi Flavia.
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Hi everyone. It's so lovely to be here.
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Thank you for having me. I'm excited for the chat.
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Oh, yeah. But is it like, as if I would
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have anybody else on my show, You know, Carla, come on.
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I mean, it's, it has taken us years to actually do this
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because we've known each other for quite a few years and at
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last now we're here. Yeah, I know.
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I actually, I wonder how long we've known each other for.
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I think probably, I don't know, I'm going to say like 4 years,
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five years, maybe. I don't know, maybe longer,
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dude. Like it's been a while, right?
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Yeah, I think I commented on a video because I'm really
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impressed with your content. So it's like, OK, this is
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awesome. I need to, I need to share this
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person more with my small universe of people.
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And then, yeah, we, we, we met and you're an awesome person.
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Like the people know that that's Sierra.
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So I think once you know, Dan, you don't want to let go.
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So I think I became a friend by proxy.
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I was like kind of forced friendship.
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Yeah, forced friendship. No, man, I I think I can't, I
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can't remember our first interaction or whatever, but I I
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know we've been just like hanging out ever since it's been
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it's been dope. But but yeah, why don't you
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know, Joe, it's funny, you know, I was doing this.
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We did this autism social Summit in Canada, which you should have
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been there, but we couldn't get the visa sorted out.
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It was a whole nightmare. Anyway, regardless of the -1 of
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the most interesting things was that everybody who met me said
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that I was the same in real life as I, I am on camera or in my
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persona, right? Which is a good thing.
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It's a good. I hope.
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Fine. Yeah, that's a good sign from a
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therapist. I'm saying that's good.
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Yeah, like it made, it just made me like, I feel like I'm, you
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know, it made other people realize that I am genuine, you
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know, because I feel like a lot of influences or people who are
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just like, you know, especially people like I'm a YouTube, I
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drive a Tesla and all this nonsense.
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Like they can just be full of themselves, right.
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So it's nice to know that people were like, no, no, no, like
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genuinely that, but authentic. There you go.
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Oh, that's Natasha. She was there.
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She's one of the people who said it actually.
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There you go. That's awesome.
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I think it's also like a, it's a sign that you're really aware of
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who you are and you're proud of who you are.
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And that's what I kind of, I, I really want my clients to, to
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learn how to really love themselves.
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Like that's one of the biggest things because as a neo
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divergent person myself, that's something that we really
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struggle with is to be OK with our quirks.
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So I think it's awesome that you that you can showcase that to to
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your clients and your your people.
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Did you hit the nail on the head right?
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And we'll, we'll, I'll get into a tiny little bit intro with you
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now, but like in terms of just saying that, you know, like IA
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lot of people say like, well, how do you do these things
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actually go, you know, just because I am who I am.
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And if they don't like it, then it's their issue, right?
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Like I don't really care. Like I, I literally like I live
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by those tenants of thinking to myself, like if I don't impress
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somebody, I don't really care because like, it's, it's nothing
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to it's not my problem. It's that problem anyway.
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But I am who I am, and that's kind of it, yes.
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So Carlos, so people don't know who you are.
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Do you want to kind of give a little bit of a?
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Yes, let me, let me do an introduction.
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Yeah, sorry there's like a little bit of a delay, but let
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me just do a quick introduction. So I've been in the field of
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neurodiversity now for 20 years. It really is my life and my
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passion. I absolutely love what I do.
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I love learning from my clients. I am a registered therapist and
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I'm busy with my PhD now here in Portugal too.
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And my PhD thesis is actually on decreasing anxiety and
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increasing confidence. They're a five step process and
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one of the first step is actually self-awareness.
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So that really is what I'm focusing on at the moment.
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I see private clients, I do group therapy, I do, I support
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people in their work environment as well.
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I actually just, I love everything about this field.
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So if I could work and not sleep, I would definitely not
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sleep. Me like if I could work and not
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sleep, I would definitely just work here.
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That's. OK, hold on, hold on.
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But I am telling you all the time that you also need to take
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rest, right? Because there's a lot of people
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that need you so 10X to sleep as well, but.
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Yeah, like everyone loves my 10X attitude, right?
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I'm actually going to. I'm going to write like a book
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on 10X and write like I've got to do this one.
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I have to. You say you staying hydrated
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with some water Done. Yes, I am.
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Look at this, Josh. That's important.
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Well done. Good question.
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Good question. Shout out to anybody watching
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who's not drinking water right now.
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Actually, I'm supposed to be held accountable for getting,
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you know, my my people to drink water, but I always forget
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myself anyway, it's it's hard to promote to drink water when
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you're trying to remember everything else in the entire
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universe. So thanks for the big shout out
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right? Hold on.
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Damn, sung quite deep. Actually using accountability
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bodies, that's actually, it's actually a really good strategy
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to use. Yeah, the you, yeah, you, you're
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my accountability buddy. But yes, I, I have this Oh, give
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me one second. People are saying that my voice
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kind of my voice gets really low on this sometimes.
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I don't know what's going on on my Instagram, but it happens
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quite often. But yeah, deep voice again,
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whatever. Anyway, so Carla, to ask you
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about this, talking about one of the steps you were saying and
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about this whole anxiety and confidence thing, one of the
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steps was the first step I think you said was.
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Self-awareness. So yeah, there's, there's a lot
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of steps that starts with the word self, but really it is a
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focus on yourself, right? So it's self-awareness is the
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first step. And I do it a lot of sensory
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profiling, communication, profile, conflict resolution in
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that step, but it's not linear. So we don't really go from step
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one to five. We can go back and forth.
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Interesting. Yeah.
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So, so I start with really getting to know who you are.
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And then the second step is self discovery.
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So we learn a lot what about those different profiles?
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And then we do regulation, right?
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So that's when you learn how to self regulate.
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So if your sensory profile is quite heightened, which a lot of
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neurodivergent individuals are, mine included.
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So I'm very sensitive to sounds, random Internet entering the
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room. Walking in.
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Hello, I'm here. I have the Internet.
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It's just behind physics anyways.
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Internet's always loud. And then you know, like after
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that it really is self love and acceptance.
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And then the fifth step, which again is not linear, but it's
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self advocacy. So where you can stand up for
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yourself and say, look, I need a quiet environment.
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If you are going to even do something nice like offer me a
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cup of coffee. My partner knows this.
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He needs to kind of check that I'm not in session seeing he
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knows my schedule. He needs to kind of like make
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sure that it's OK to ask me if I want a cup of coffee or if he
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can ask me to, to, you know, if I want something.
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So it's like I'm very specific and I'm, I'm OK with it because
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I've got that self love and acceptance.
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So I can be at the, I can be my own advocate.
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And that's what I want for my clients to, for them to know
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that it's OK. Yeah, I think, you know what's
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funny is that human beings are complex people in general,
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right? So we have complex needs, yet
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the the neural divergent human is even more complex, right.
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So like you said, you know, there's there's very specific
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things, you know, there's there's all kinds of stuff that
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like you have to kind of know somebody to be able to kind of
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really advocate for them in in a certain way, right.
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And I think that's really interesting.
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And a lot of people I, you know, and I know from, you know,
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experience, if, if one of the like the people they live with
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aren't neuro divergent, right? And they don't really understand
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them, don't really get them, you can get this like massive, like
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negative. So it is really interesting.
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And you have to really know a person on the spectrum, like you
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have to really get to know them and want to know them as well.
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And I think that's really interesting because you know,
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the, the steps to confidence. I, I'd say like 90% of it is, is
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self development. But then there's 10% of it,
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which is the, the, the feedback you get from the environment
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you're in, right? Like if you're in the wrong
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environment, you're never going to progress more than the 90%
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you can play, right, which is interesting.
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Excuse me? Sorry, you were saying.
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On that note, yeah, it's definitely very important to
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surround yourself. I actually had a client earlier
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that was saying she might actually be on the air, but she
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was saying that, you know, it's so difficult for her to explain
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to people that just don't get it.
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And she feels like she's constantly saying the same thing
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and not being validated for her own needs, right, Her own
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sensitivities. And that's why it's so important
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for us to surround ourselves with those individuals that are
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not going to question like, why are you sensitive to these
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things or these specific ways of communicating?
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Why is that important to you? It is just that important to us.
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So we need to kind of just focus on first of all, to find the
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tribe that really understands us and accepts us.
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And then we can then we can expand our circles if we one, we
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don't need 100 friends, you know, we can find 2 that really
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understand us. I like have no friends.
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I literally have no friends and that's fine.
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But at the end of the day, well, no, I have you.
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But like, yeah, we're. Friends, you know we.
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Have. We have each.
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Other. Yeah.
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And Boris, where is he? I don't know.
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Don't say the big way, Yeah. He's always there.
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Oh man. Around these, Oh yeah, around
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these downstairs, he's passed out, passed out ages ago.
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So I was going to say something on that note, which is really
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interesting. I always remember, you know, I
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listen to all these like life gurus and these people who kind
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of like like business gurus, right?
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They always say like, if you're the smartest person in the room,
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you're in the wrong room, right? Which is so true.
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And it kind of goes along with that kind of find your tribe to
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catch your vibe or whatever it is or your vibe attracts your
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tribe. And it comes down to something
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that I read in a book by it was a book called How to think like
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Einstein. And in the book Albert Einstein
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was because it's basically loads of quotes from Albert Einstein
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of how he did stuff. And somebody said to me, like,
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why, you know, how do you keep yourself so clever, blah, blah,
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blah. And he said, well, look, you
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know, you're the son of the five people you've spent the most
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time with. And so if you hang on with
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losers all the time, what are you going to be, right?
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So Einstein said, look, 50% of my intellect comes from the fact
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that my brain and everything is quite that way.
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So 50% of the me, 50% of it comes from the fact that I hang
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out with people who are super clever and geniuses and I like
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absorb their stuff, right? There's a there's a really nice
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Afrikaans saying, because I'm Afrikaans that says main Medici
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MLS any Farkas yet, which means like if you're going to mix with
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people, I know it's a very strange language, but if you're
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going to mix with not so great people, then you kind of become
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those people that kind of seeps into you.
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But if you are surrounding yourself with people that are
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inspiring to you, then you know that's that's what you're going
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to become because you learn from them, you model from them.
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And it's important the friends that you choose, the partner
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that you choose, and knowing that if you're from a family
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that isn't that supportive, that, you know, you can also
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create your own family with individuals that that are that
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supportive, that are that loving and provide you unconditional
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love. And like somebody said, yeah,
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and we need a good few. You don't need 100 friends.
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That's a lot of times super overwhelming for us that mask a
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lot. Jesus, I don't think I can
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barely. Like, if I have, I have more
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than five people to respond to. I mean, that's a lot, right?
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Yeah. Stressful.
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I mean, who The Who the hell has like 100 friends anyway?
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But no, you're absolutely right. And I think, yeah, sorry man,
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did I did it Glitch. Is the Internet in the room with
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us now? I think the Internet, just like
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you could come back, that Internet, oh, it's crazy back.
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Oh my God, that's so funny dude. OK, so tell us like, why?
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Why pick like confidence and anxiety to do the things for
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your PhD? What is it about confidence?
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Why did you choose that? I think it's just the thing that
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almost, I mean, I can't say every single client of mine,
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right, But I can say to you that the majority of my clients
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struggle with confidence and they struggled with a lot of
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managing a lot of anxiety and me included.
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So ever since you know, like when I received my diagnosis of
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ADHD in my 30s, I look back to when I was a kid, I struggled a
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lot with anxiety and how I dealt with it was maybe when I was
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younger, 1415, I would drink, you know, maybe a bit older,
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maybe I shouldn't have said that so early, but you know, like I,
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I would choose alcohol because that was a great masking
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technique or I would be like the funny person in the room or
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something. There was always something that
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covered the true me. It was either humor or alcohol
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or, you know, like a lot of friends with a lot of masking
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techniques. And I think if I could go back
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now, I would just tell that person that whoever you are,
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that's perfect. You don't need to, You don't
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need to be this this person that everybody laughs at or everybody
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finds smart or funny or, you know, whatever.
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Perfect. You find as you are.
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Exactly. So that's the confidence part
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and the anxiety. And throughout my life I saw
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this even with my clients, like now 20 years doing this right,
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it's always confidence that's lacking.
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And a lot of times when they just have that one mentor, I do
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a lot of going out in, in public with my, with my clients.
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When I, when I saw a lot of people one-on-one still before
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COVID, I would go with them to like coffee shops and we would
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go and do interviews together or whatever, just to have that
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person that believes in them. I was sharing something from
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Simon Sinac earlier or earlier this week or I don't even know
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what day it is, but he was saying that you just need one
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person that says to you that you've got I've got your back.
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But then that same person says to you that even if you fall, I
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will be there for you. But that person will also tell
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you if you're screwing up. And that is, I think the perfect
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explanation of a great mentor is to say to you, I'm going to be
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there no matter what. But if you screw up, I'll try
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and guide you back. And I think if you can find a
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therapist like that or a mentor or somebody that's got your back
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and that's really like your cheerleader there for you, but
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also tells you when you need to pick it up, that that's gold.
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I mean, that's what any person I think would.
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Love 100% I think that's the ultimate kind of like
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friendship, I suppose, but not really it's more than that right
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But hey Matt, how's it going to sign Matt Reckle just just
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joined crazy guy who was texting me.
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I'm like, dude, I'm on a live leave me alone and he's like,
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I'm going to come on and talk about your personal stuff
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anyway, it's true. You know, it's funny, you know,
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we would say, and I feel like a lot of people, especially new
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individual people overthink things, right?
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Like, so we overthink things like I do like I, I like
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everything. And what's funny about it is I
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just released a TikTok video and an Instagram reel literally
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about an hour ago. The Stephen Chan problem.
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Did you see this video? Yeah, yes, I did.
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I was watching all the videos before.
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I was like, am I late? I'm just going to continue
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watching videos because I'm angry.
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Yeah, so I've. Been watching, but it's so true.
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Like and so the premise was that basically me and Stephen Chan,
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he was way more intellectual than me.
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Electronics I wasn't, but I'd have to do the class because it
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was the only thing I was interested in that I could pick
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right and it was so simple. The task was make something that
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works. And and what I didn't say in the
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video is that when at the end of the the the course, when I was
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presenting my piece of equipment that was just this really
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simple, like light effective diode, my work.
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Stephen Chan hadn't even finished his.
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You can even present something that you could even turn on.
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It was just a thing. Yeah.
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And he's like a real guy. Like I, I think I have him on
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Facebook. You can like punch me or
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something. But like, but at the end of the
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day, I always use this when I look at because I I go through
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life like trying to look and I do all these things.
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Like everything gets all complicated.
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I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Am I turning into Stephen Chan
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here? Like, what is going on?
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Right. And I always refer back to it.
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The poor guy. His ears must be burning
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constantly because I'm like, this is Stephen Champ wrong.
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He probably knows that. I mean, he watches the videos
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and he's like, look, I'm a billionaire now.
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That's. Dude, I'm gonna.
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I don't know, man. Like I don't even know.
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Like, I don't know. If you're, you're searching for
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him now, aren't you? And honestly, like, I don't even
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know. Like wait, I just typed in
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Steven Chan and it's like Doctor Steven Chan.
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Exactly, this is what I'm telling you.
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You're right. Oh my God, is that him?
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Jeez. Anyway.
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It's lagging a bit here. Oh, man, it is a bit.
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I'm so sorry. I don't know if you're choking
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actually on mine. Panera.
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OK, cool. Yeah.
21:48
So this and I have this, I have a second one as well.
21:51
So this is kind of like, if life's getting too complicated
21:55
and too crazy and you want to bring it back down and not
21:57
become Steven Chapman, how do you do it?
21:59
And I go down to the caveman algorithm, which is another
22:02
system of mine, right? Which is, I told you this right
22:05
when I go, does this well, would a caveman need this to survive?
22:09
And if the answer is no, forget about it and you.
22:13
Good one. Yeah, this is mine.
22:17
I don't know if you could see this.
22:19
Oh, I see it. Not my circus, not my monkey.
22:26
What the fuck is that? What?
22:32
OK, so whenever I overthink things and I'm like, oh, I
22:36
should have said this, could have said this.
22:38
Maybe they thought I meant this and I didn't mean it like that
22:41
and so on. I just like not my circus, not
22:43
my monkeys. It's you know, and usually that
22:46
works because I start thinking about monkeys and monkeys are
22:48
cute and then you get distracted because you've got ADHD and I'm
22:51
like, ah, monkeys, cute forest looks like a monkey.
22:54
Let's go for a walk. And then all of a sudden, you
22:57
know, he didn't hear that. Oh my God.
23:00
And all of a sudden then, then I don't think about the thing that
23:04
I was overthinking about or hyperfixating about.
23:07
So I can just get out of my own head because 99% and I know this
23:12
is not statistically, but 99% of the time it's not going to be as
23:17
big of a deal as we think it is. 100%. 99%.
23:23
And that's the, and that's the problem, like we, we do
23:26
overthink things and we also then just think that the things
23:28
that we've overthought, like it's factual, like that's it.
23:32
It has to be this like, I get inside my own head too much,
23:33
right? And then like, and I think
23:35
that's probably not just my issue, but most people in the
23:38
autism special, like they get inside their own head too much
23:39
and they're like, you know, it, it's, it becomes a thing, right?
23:43
It's like not, not like it's, I don't know anyway, But yes.
23:47
And then the overcome. And then the anxiety increases,
23:51
right? And that's why that's like your
23:53
question about confidence and anxiety.
23:55
That's like, then our anxiety spikes so hectic that we believe
24:00
that everything is screwed. Like, it's very black and white.
24:03
This person is never gonna speak to us.
24:05
They probably hate us. And this person, if you do a
24:09
social experiment and you actually check in with that
24:11
person, which I often try with my clients, I'm like, OK, let's
24:15
actually do an experiment. Let's see what they think.
24:18
Most of the time, this person has no idea what we're talking
24:21
about. Yeah, You know, they're like,
24:23
well, I don't even know what conversation you're referring.
24:26
Yeah, like. Well, yeah, exactly.
24:29
But it's it, it's sad because we lose so much energy on focusing
24:33
on that, right? So we're losing so much of our
24:36
precious energy that we can actually hyperfixate on our
24:39
interest and, you know, come up with the next billion dollar
24:43
idea. Like sending people to Mars or
24:46
whatever. But like or that.
24:49
You know, it's funny what you talk about anxiety.
24:51
I was doing a, I was doing a talk for some charity in Wales a
24:55
couple weeks ago and I was driving down.
24:57
I had to drive for fucking 4 1/2 hours.
24:59
I can't remember telling you about it.
25:00
It's like drive 4 hours like South Wales and political
25:04
Cumbran or Pontypool which is more popular now.
25:07
Anyway, so I dropped down to this talk and there's one was
25:11
talking about anxiety. She was like, how do you
25:13
systematically understand anxiety so you can attack it?
25:17
I said, look, anxiety is a beast, right?
25:20
Like there's very few things that like I can do to help
25:22
reduce my anxiety. There are a couple of things,
25:25
but in terms of anxiety in general, right?
25:28
So like I say, I always say to people like, well, let's compute
25:30
it, right? If we compute everything back to
25:31
its original source and we should be able to find out how
25:34
we can maybe avoid it rather than try and get really we can
25:35
avoid it. And and they're like, what do
25:37
you mean? I say, OK, and it comes from two
25:40
ways that I kind of look at things, right?
25:41
And I think I told you this as well.
25:44
Anxiety is a byproduct of fear. Fear is a byproduct of worry.
25:48
You know, worry is a byproduct of not of thinking that
25:51
something is a problem, not a potential towards a solution.
25:54
So if we think about problems as potentials towards solutions,
25:57
then the other bits and pieces fizzle away.
26:00
But people get fixated on this. There's a problem.
26:02
I have this thing that's an issue.
26:03
They're drunk. It's like, no, there's an issue,
26:05
but it actually it's potential to have being not an issue.
26:09
And I think that is like, that's so interesting because if you
26:13
can get your head around that, like specifically to think about
26:16
it, thinking, OK, am I looking at an issue or potential to
26:20
solve the issue, then you have no time to think about anxiety
26:24
or worry or fear because everything else just like start
26:27
working on that thing, right? Which is interesting.
26:29
Yeah, and it is interesting, and it's also what we're good at.
26:32
So if you give us a problem, we can solve it, right?
26:35
So we just need to kind of change the way that we frame it
26:38
to ourselves. And that's the CBD technique is
26:40
like reframing what we're actually worrying about.
26:43
So if we're saying, oh, this person probably thinks that I
26:46
suck, maybe a reframing can be, maybe this person misunderstood
26:50
me, I can help them out, you know, so, and that makes all the
26:54
difference. It doesn't sound that hectic,
26:56
you know, it sounds quite nice. You're going to speak to the
26:58
person again, you'll, you'll help them out.
27:00
You're going to let them understand who you are.
27:04
So yes, definitely. But opening up is a big thing.
27:07
So for you it's easier because you've done it and you've helped
27:10
so many people. I think a lot of my clients
27:12
struggle with that part where they're like, you know, before
27:15
we even start talking just to have that conversation with a
27:18
person. So I would highly suggest
27:20
whoever's listening to this now to just voice those concerns
27:26
with somebody that you trust. Because as soon as you air it,
27:30
then you've got exactly, exactly.
27:34
You get the power again because now you're like, OK, well, this
27:37
is the thing. So now I can reframe it.
27:39
Now I can actually move it around.
27:41
Now I can restructure it. Now I can make it digestible for
27:45
myself. But if you keep it inside, it's
27:46
like a it's like a dark room. Like this room is pretty dark
27:49
actually, but it's like a dark room that you never let air in.
27:53
Yeah. It becomes this like monster in
27:55
this dark room, like this little dirty little secret in the
27:59
corner. And it becomes like this whole
28:01
dirty room. OK, that's.
28:03
Like, Oh my God. I need to stop, right?
28:06
I guess. Sorry, darker, but that's what I
28:09
mean. Let's talk about something else,
28:10
OK? You know, I get what you're
28:13
saying. Do you know what's funny?
28:14
Because I always say it and a lot of my training, like I do a
28:16
lot of like port online courses and like kind of coaching
28:19
programs. And one of the things I always
28:20
say is like a problem shared is a problem it has.
28:22
And that holds so much weight. It's unbelievable just having
28:26
somebody listen to you and go, yeah, I think you're right.
28:29
You're like, like just blows you away, which is which is really
28:34
funny. So I was going to say something
28:37
on this then I wasn't actually talking about dark rooms of
28:40
secrets. Oh, damn it.
28:45
I was going to say something really interesting.
28:47
Oh my God. Retrace your steps.
28:50
No mark with the. Hair or something and.
28:52
Then no, I'm just my head. Off I scratch your head again.
28:55
I know I was like, no, we were talking about anxiety problems.
29:02
There was there was something that someone quite profound that
29:05
I was going to say. OK, well, I'll, I'll, I'll keep
29:08
on talking. And then you you think.
29:09
About it. Right.
29:10
With anxiety, though, I think the one thing that we need to
29:13
also remember is that it's not something that we want to be
29:16
gone like we, we want anxiety is part of who we are.
29:21
It's it's a necessary response. You know, when, when there's a
29:25
I'm from South Africa. So if there's a line behind you,
29:27
which doesn't happen by the way, in South Africa.
29:30
But it goes. If there, I mean, if you jump
29:33
into the zoo cage and there's a line behind you, you want to be
29:36
anxious and run away, right? So there, there are sometimes
29:39
that you really need a lot of anxiety.
29:41
The only thing that we need to learn is how to not have chronic
29:46
stress and chronic anxiety. So we want to learn how to
29:50
manage that which which is definitely possible.
29:53
So the therapeutic modalities that I recommend is some
29:57
behavioral strategies or some DBT skills, which is dialectical
30:01
behavioral therapy. Some CBT skills are really
30:05
helpful to cognitive behavioral therapy skills.
30:08
And then combine that with mindfulness techniques, which is
30:13
truly crucial. I don't even know if you said
30:16
truly and crucial together, but it's, it's important.
30:18
And then the third part is that positive feedback from a mentor
30:24
or from somebody that you trust, or even if you don't have that
30:28
person yet, to have that within yourself.
30:31
So if you do something good, like creating a healthy habit to
30:35
reinforce yourself to like, say to yourself, I'm proud of myself
30:38
for doing this. So it's really important.
30:40
Those elements I found, and that's what's a part of my my
30:43
thesis at the moment. So hopefully it does it is
30:46
successful, but I've seen it work in my own life and I've
30:49
seen it work with my clients. So I would highly recommend
30:52
focusing on those three elements just so that somebody, some
30:54
people listening to this, have something tangible that they can
30:58
take from this conversation. 100% you know, on that same
31:03
line, like I, I change like habit, not habits, but like I
31:08
implement life changes quite often, right.
31:09
And I'm quite strict on myself and and how I did it.
31:13
The first time I ever did it is I gave up drinking alcohol about
31:16
almost 16 years ago. And and when I first, when I
31:21
first was like, oh, you know, I'm not going to drink alcohol
31:22
anymore. Yes, I'm not old.
31:24
When I was like, I'm not going to drink alcohol anymore.
31:26
I was like, I was like I said, knock on anymore and then I just
31:29
couldn't do it. I was just like, you know, your
31:31
friends invited to a party and all like, you know, my
31:34
bandmates. And because being in a band, you
31:36
know, everybody put these drinks like and then so you go to the
31:39
spot and then you have to then because I needed to socialise
31:41
otherwise I'd just be like an anxious mess.
31:43
Anyway, how I overcame it and and and I got rid of it was
31:49
rather than set like excessive, like pressure on myself again,
31:53
not Steven Channing it right. I was like, let's just do it
31:55
really simple. Why don't I just have a, a bet
31:57
with myself that like, OK, I bet I can go like 3 days that I'm
32:01
drinking alcohol, right? I go a week, I'll drink alcohol.
32:04
I I can go a month, right? And you just keep going.
32:06
See how long I and now it's like, say, see how long I can go
32:08
without drinking alcohol, But I'm still, I'm, I'm at a point
32:12
where I'm like, I never said like I quit alcohol, but I'm at
32:16
a point where I'm like, how can I go?
32:18
I'm on year 16. How long can I go without
32:20
drinking alcohol? And when you break it down into
32:22
small pieces of small gamification like that, it
32:24
becomes way more manageable. Yeah, that's awesome.
32:27
And using your using your characteristics to your
32:32
advantage is also something that I think could help there.
32:36
Because, OK, so maybe it wasn't an addiction thing with you, but
32:39
a lot of my clients do have addictions.
32:42
I myself was addicted to nicotine.
32:45
So I was I smoked cigarettes since I was 16 and I was a
32:49
tennis player. Hey, so I don't know how I did
32:51
this, but my tennis coach, if she ever sees this or she'll
32:55
know now anyways, on a scholarship in American tennis
32:59
and I still just smoke throughout because it helped my
33:01
anxiety for short term, short term gains, right?
33:05
Not long term. And then one morning I was just
33:07
like, ah, it's it. I'm done.
33:09
My partner was like, OK, what? Like Are you sure this is an
33:12
important week? Are you sure you're going to
33:13
stop right now? I'm like, yes, I'm finished.
33:15
And that's what when we can use our characteristics, our
33:19
symptoms, you know, our inhibition control, whatever our
33:22
quick responses, my quick reactions to our advantage
33:26
because I'm just like Nascarit, I'm done.
33:27
And I just told myself I'm not a smoker anymore and that's it.
33:31
And it was fine. And kind of like that strategy
33:34
that you're also using, like pushing yourself short term wise
33:37
just like, OK, well, I'm going to go see my friend who's a
33:40
smoker and see if I can sustain that.
33:42
And also that mind shift, it's not that hard, I think.
33:47
I don't know if you found this with alcohol, but just telling
33:50
yourself you can do those like, yeah, that's, that's OK, you can
33:54
get through this. I mean, because, because it
33:56
isn't like, again, when you don't Stephen chant it, it's not
33:59
a big deal. Like it's just like, OK, well,
34:01
it's it's it's a bit of a drinky post, you know, it's not like
34:04
it's nothing. It's not like it's not life and
34:07
death. Well, it could work on life and
34:08
death, but at the time, those things like nicotine, like those
34:11
small addictions that you have, they're not like, they're not
34:13
like it's not like you're turning on or off a light
34:16
switch. You know, it's these small
34:17
gradual changes. And I think that it's, it's all
34:20
about the compound effect, right?
34:21
I think somebody, I think it was Warren Buffett or one of the big
34:25
gurus. I was either Warren Buffett or
34:28
Jeffrey Bezos that said the only way to really succeed in
34:32
anything is to do compound effect over a long period of
34:36
time and then you'll see the result, right?
34:38
So it's not like too too long, sorry.
34:41
Too many of us will think in the short term thinking I have to do
34:43
this right now to make changing right now.
34:45
By next week, I'm going to be completely smoke free and
34:47
alcohol free. It's never going to happen.
34:48
You go, OK, why do I want to see myself in three to five years?
34:51
Well, I want to see myself as being sober, you know, a
34:54
non-smoker. Let's go, you know?
34:56
And it's the small changes you do over a period of time that
34:58
compound into that eventual thing.
35:00
Like I said, 16 years later, I'm like, OK, cool.
35:02
No, that's awesome. So nice, That's an awesome
35:05
achievement there. I would be very proud of myself.
35:08
I still I still enjoy my wine. Yeah, I know, I know.
35:12
But. Like I go.
35:13
After five years I got this. This is a straight edge, right?
35:17
So I I detox all drugs and alcohol for my life and all
35:23
drugs. It was like caffeine this last
35:26
12 months. No, no, no.
35:27
Should I? Yeah, yeah.
35:28
The last 12 months is the first time I introduced caffeine into
35:31
my diet again because I felt like it was the right time.
35:35
But I don't take any kind of like, you know, if I'm sick,
35:38
I'll just like grown and bury it.
35:39
Like I don't try and take any medicine in case unless I have
35:42
to. Like when I was I had COVID, I
35:43
was in hospital, I had morphine. But like, other than those
35:46
extreme cases, I really don't like try to, I don't know, like
35:52
I, I just feel like those are toxins, right?
35:54
Those things. And like, I was saying this as
35:56
well, like, and, and to me though, toxins come from many
35:59
factors in life, right? It could be like, I don't, I
36:02
don't, I think pornography's ridiculous.
36:04
I think it's stupid. I think it poisons a mind.
36:06
Again, that could be one of those drug toxins, right?
36:09
Even down to like watching TV endlessly, you know, like people
36:12
like watch like they base their life on television.
36:15
I'm like, whoa, I can't do that stuff because to me that's like
36:18
a toxin that you have to get rid of.
36:19
But it could just be me being paranoid I think.
36:22
I think that it's important to also mention that, you know,
36:25
because I'm saying this like as if it was the easiest thing I
36:28
smoked since I was 16 and I'm, I'm not even going to say my age
36:32
now, but I'm I'm, I'm a lot older and it, it took a lot of
36:38
years for me to get to this point right where I'm like, OK,
36:41
you know what, screw it, I'm done.
36:43
And I also I'm hyper fixating on work, which I don't think is
36:48
always the most healthiest thing, right.
36:51
That's. All I do.
36:53
Exactly, like I know we're very similar in that regard, but I
36:58
think it's important to know that it's OK to sometimes ask
37:02
for help. Yes, I'm more than happy to chat
37:05
to anyone that you know that wants to quit smoking or wants
37:08
to stop with any addiction. I will try and provide
37:12
strategies. Again, it's it doesn't always
37:15
work the same for every person, so sometimes people need to read
37:19
that. A book from Alan Carr that
37:22
really helps that help my partner.
37:23
That's crazy. Good, isn't it?
37:25
Yeah. So I've never read it.
37:28
Luckily my brother used it, he was really good.
37:31
Yeah, but I mean, different things work for different people
37:34
and I think it's just important to know that it's also OK to.
37:37
I'm not saying like, oh, if you're smoking that's so bad.
37:40
Again, I did it for 20 something years.
37:44
So you. Can get addicted to anything as
37:46
well, right? Like even fucking like you mean
37:48
like there's there's no, it doesn't have to be a drug drug.
37:50
It's just it's a drug to you, right, which is why I don't like
37:55
I think gambling is like really, really bad.
37:57
It's all because gambling's not almost slippery slopes, right
37:59
And the only person that wins is the bookies.
38:00
So it's like it's pointless, right?
38:02
But but I think it's interesting because, you know, on this topic
38:06
is on, I know we kind of digress a little bit, but I think that
38:08
like it's a worthy digression because a lot of people on the
38:12
spectrum will have addictive personalities, right?
38:15
Because, you know, we're we're looking to smash dopamine all
38:19
the time. So it could be anything, drugs,
38:21
alcohol, sex, gambling, whatever it is, right?
38:24
And and that I think is one of the most interesting things
38:27
about, you know, people on the spectrum because they just
38:31
become upset and it becomes special interest then, right.
38:33
Your obsession of of, of kind of like what they call like
38:38
addiction becomes like a special interest, like it's crazy, you
38:42
know? And then and then how to how to
38:45
work through that. So first, the first thing I
38:47
would say is to not be so hard on yourself because I know like
38:51
again, we just spoke about like, Oh yeah, I stopped smoking.
38:54
But it's not the end of the world, right?
38:56
It's not like US neo divergent folk are very, very intense
39:02
about ourselves. So we're really we're
39:05
criticizing constantly. So first of all, I would say,
39:09
try to let go of that criticism again, like we said earlier, try
39:13
and air that conversation. Have that conversations with
39:17
somebody that you trust and say maybe look, I, I'm thinking
39:20
about doing this list or I'm thinking about changing this
39:23
habit or whatever. And with somebody that's not
39:26
going to make you feel ashamed because that's another thing.
39:29
And especially if I'm looking at, I know this is generalizing,
39:32
but if I'm looking at the female profiles, there's a lot of shame
39:36
that comes with a lot of the things like even just, you know,
39:40
not having enough friends, having, not having the the same
39:44
amount of likes and interest as other people or, you know,
39:50
different ones or whatever. There's, there's so much shame.
39:53
So I would try to say to yourself, like, whatever you're
39:56
doing is fine. Let's, let's work on it.
39:59
If you want to work on it and if you're ready to work on it.
40:02
So again, I, I just want to steer away from oh, I'm so great
40:06
because I quit smoking because I yeah, there's like, I'm
40:10
overworking, you know, is that. Yeah, exactly like what?
40:14
Yeah, which is the which is the lesson of the two equals.
40:16
I don't know, but they're probably.
40:18
Yeah, there is no, there is no right and wrong with that
40:20
really. Right.
40:20
It's a personal thing and it's an it's an individual thing.
40:26
Anyway, what I was going to say was that as a therapist, people,
40:30
there's questions coming in from people and I just would say that
40:34
like if people were interested in learning more, maybe having
40:37
some therapy with you, how can they go about doing that?
40:40
How can they? How can they find you and stuff?
40:42
So I just I just started this Instagram page so they can find
40:47
me there. They can definitely send me a
40:49
message or they can go to my website which is my name and
40:52
surname.com. So carlapratorius.com.
40:56
I did see one question, I don't have my glasses on so-called
41:00
for, but I did see one question about how to stop panic attacks
41:07
from happening. And I think that's a really
41:09
important question just to address just so that we have,
41:12
you know, address some of those really important.
41:15
All of those questions are important.
41:17
But I would say I had a client today actually that I was
41:21
speaking about panic attacks. And one of the things is that
41:24
definitely to know what are your triggers, but to know in which
41:28
kind of state you're in. So I had a guest on when I was
41:32
speaking, I do interviews, right?
41:34
And one of my guests spoke about the three brain States and she
41:37
was talking about her name is Shanna, and she was talking
41:40
about the sorry, the survival state, the emotional state and
41:46
the executive state that your brain goes in.
41:48
So if you're in survival mode, your brain is asking, are you
41:52
safe? If you're in emotional state,
41:55
your brain is asking, am I loved?
41:57
And if you're in executive state, your brain is asking,
42:00
what can I learn from this? So before we work on panic
42:04
attacks and anxiety attacks, we just need to make sure that
42:07
we're in that we're in executive state, our brain, so we're calm,
42:11
we know we're safe, we know we're loved.
42:14
And then we put in strategy. So one of the strategies that I
42:17
have, because I've got anxiety and I was diagnosed with it,
42:20
I've got like little white flags.
42:23
It's downstairs, quite a few that I printed.
42:26
And every time I feel there's that wave of emotions, I look
42:30
for my strategy. I look for a visual that is like
42:35
a little white flag and that white like tells me it's like,
42:38
OK, peace, calm, serenity, go for a walk, you know?
42:42
So that's like a visual reminder immediately.
42:45
I have a lot of visuals all over my house like one of these.
42:48
This one says breathe out. I do a lot of breath work.
42:53
We need to include these strategies before we become
42:57
overwhelmed. But then as we are overwhelmed,
42:59
then breath work isn't going to really work when we're in a
43:03
panic or when we have an anxiety attack, right?
43:07
That's when we just want to kind of like shelter and keep safe.
43:11
And if you notice those visuals before the panic attack happens,
43:16
then you can go for the walk. You can do your breath work, you
43:19
can play with your animals. Like those are all things that
43:21
help me. But it's really important to put
43:24
those strategies in place when you're in a calm state.
43:26
So if that person, whoever messaged the really good
43:29
question about panic attacks, they can message me anytime.
43:32
Yeah. And I.
43:33
Can. Yeah, absolutely.
43:35
Yeah, I think you have to be right, you know, because like
43:37
when you're when you're in a, when you're a stable datum, when
43:40
you're like grounded and you're like, OK, now I need to know, I
43:43
need to put things in place to, to help me when I get to that
43:47
point, right. And I think that's really
43:49
interesting because that's basically what you do in
43:52
therapy, isn't it? Like when you speak to a
43:54
therapist, you and your therapist sit down, you'll,
43:55
you'll come through to strategies when you're not in a
43:58
heightened state of a mental state, when you're when you're
44:01
having your therapy. And, and also, I think that a
44:05
lot of people are way too hard on themselves with things.
44:09
And it's the last thing I'll say before kind of wrapping all this
44:12
up and asking you for the final thought, Jerryd.
44:14
Final thought? It's not my cousin.
44:21
The DNA test results that she called you and yeah, so Jerry
44:26
Springer. Jerry, what do you call it?
44:28
My name for like? Now we're giving our age away.
44:33
I know. No, Jerry Springer, nobody
44:36
knows. Have you seen?
44:36
Jerry Springer the Musical? If not, no, it's insanely good.
44:42
When? Where?
44:44
You could get it. It's like on video.
44:45
You can like watch it like it's it's a video like just Google
44:48
it. You'll find it and see.
44:49
That's what I'm doing. Tonight like no, like see, like
44:52
I'm. So I bought it from Poundland,
44:54
right? It was like a pound for a DVD
44:56
back in the yeah, whatever. So I bought it for a pound just
44:58
to laugh at it and I watched it. It was surprisingly fantastic.
45:01
Well, it's very, very well done. It's not what?
45:03
You think anyway, is it OK so? No, no, OK, It's OK.
45:08
I think there's two things. One is that something I learned
45:11
very recently is that I was, I was able to forgive everybody
45:19
for doing stupid things. Like somebody like was an an
45:21
asshole to me before. I'd be like, oh, yeah, OK,
45:23
that's I forgive them, you know, and people acquaintances who
45:26
who've done something as me, but even stolen money, maybe I've
45:28
been in a fist fight, you know, maybe they're still a girlfriend
45:31
or all this kind of rush and I forgive them.
45:32
You know, I'd be like, OK, you know, they're humans that are
45:34
spiritual being, having a human experience.
45:36
That's how I see things, right? And so I was like, but I never
45:39
took the time to allow myself that same grace.
45:41
I was like, Nah, I'm a hard act. And I'm like, go on, Dan, you've
45:44
got to do some more. And then I, and it kind of just
45:47
came to me. I was in one of my like other
45:50
counselling sessions and, and I came to the cognition.
45:53
I was like, holy smokes. Like I never allow myself of
45:56
that same grace, yet I have the ability to, you know, let
46:00
somebody have some grace. So why don't I have that myself?
46:02
And when, when I came to that cognition, like everything
46:05
changed like loads of like anxiety and stuff.
46:09
I was just pent up just sitting there like, because I've had
46:11
this like hangover effect, right?
46:13
Of of just not giving myself a break, which is a really
46:16
interesting. It was a really interesting
46:19
experience. So I'd highly recommend a lot of
46:20
people to think about this. Just think about it and it won't
46:23
really want to happen right away with the penny will drop.
46:26
You're allowed to give yourself some grace and you're allowed to
46:28
make mistakes. You're only human like again,
46:29
you're just having this good experience, right?
46:31
And then you'll be gone one day. So just chill with it man.
46:34
I really love that sentiment. I also love the fact that you
46:37
said that you'll do all of this for other people, but you won't
46:41
do it for yourself, right? So I usually ask my clients, I'm
46:44
like, would you what you're saying to yourself?
46:46
Would you say that to a complete stranger?
46:50
And all of them say, no, they won't ever be that rude to a
46:53
complete stranger, but you're saying that to yourself.
46:56
So final thought for me would be in the same line as like, try
47:01
and be talk to yourself a little bit nicer because it's the words
47:04
and it's the narrative that we tell ourselves that we start
47:07
believing and that becomes our reality then.
47:11
Right. My brother is a director and a
47:13
writer, and he was talking about this too.
47:15
If we can just tell ourselves better stories.
47:18
Yeah. You know, imagine one thing.
47:21
Are you going to want to listen to your own movie or your own
47:24
book if you're constantly berating yourself, you know, So
47:27
try to be a little bit nicer to yourself.
47:29
That's if there's anything that you can take from this, please,
47:33
you know that's from my from my heart to yours.
47:36
Just be nicer to yourself, please. 100 And like, if we
47:40
don't like, we're you know, where are we?
47:42
And like, and that's the thing, you know, if you're, if you
47:44
wanted to help people, if you're a person who's like, all right,
47:46
I'm going to help loads of people.
47:47
If you can't help yourself, you're back.
47:50
Yeah. So, so yeah, I think it's really
47:53
important. Somebody said something about
47:55
soft chatter. So a friend of mine, Sarah self
47:59
chatter. It's an amazing process to talk
48:01
back to the narrative and see what emerges.
48:04
That's exactly right. You know, you you you kind of
48:06
like self reflect. You kind of go in again the the
48:09
premise of what is the Cohens, right?
48:10
That's how I came to my cognition.
48:11
I was like I was asked Cohen and then I was like, you know, like
48:16
what what is what have you forgiven another to do to
48:19
another? And I'm like, oh, really?
48:21
So it's really interesting. Anyway, on that note, thank you,
48:24
Jerry. DNA test in the next episode.
48:29
Of. You a whore?
48:32
A hooker? She called you a hooker.
48:34
Hello, Jerry. Call my.
48:35
Cousin, a hooker. So what are you going to do?
48:39
We've given you alcohol and weapons.
48:41
What are you going to do? Like it's such.
48:42
A good impression? Yes, you can be Jerry.
48:46
Yeah, did he die recently? Didn't he?
48:50
But she's in but and he was so cool and he at his buses.
48:53
So she she came in and she so Christina Lopez, like she came
48:58
in and. She told you what?
49:00
Like he just stood the pot, didn't he?
49:01
He's great anyway. Grew up.
49:04
That's how we grew. Up it is I.
49:07
Grew up honestly, I remember. Yeah, I remember watching it and
49:09
being like, wow, these people, like they live like this.
49:12
There's a lot like, nonsense, right?
49:13
But I thought it was all real. Like they come on like.
49:16
Is it not? Like, I'll be real, dude.
49:19
Like nobody lives like that. It's like, it's like it brings
49:23
up a guess. Like, so here's Trolley.
49:25
Charlie actually lives in the trailer and he actually thinks
49:28
he's Superman. He's like, death's right, God
49:31
damn it. I think that's Superman.
49:32
And like people, you know what I mean?
49:34
Trolley. Yeah, but like, it's so weird,
49:39
isn't it? Oh, that guy, Remember that guy?
49:40
Come on, He's like #1 rule about ninjas.
49:43
You don't go ninja. People don't need ninja.
49:44
That guy, Remember duty chap. Do you remember this morning we
49:49
said we're going to get all the weirdness outperforming a live
49:51
chat something we spoke. About this.
49:54
Morning. It didn't work.
49:56
At least get into the foot pics and selling underpants.
49:58
So I think we're OK. We're quite clear.
50:00
There. OK, All right.
50:01
I think we need to cut it. Anyway, right, Carla and if we
50:06
would be really cool if yeah, if everyone could go forward.
50:10
Carla, the therapy that neuro divergent or therapist
50:13
neurovergent. What's the actual handle therapy
50:17
divergent. And if you're interested in
50:19
anything Carla has to offer or maybe interested in booking kind
50:22
of like a tester session with Carla, then you can just reach
50:25
out to all the DMS. I'm sure she'd send you the
50:26
links. You can book a call.
50:27
It would be really awesome. Anybody watching this on YouTube
50:30
on the replay, I will link a 15 minute kind of like intro call
50:34
with Carla down below. If you want to just click that
50:35
link and then you can go through and speak to her and see if you
50:38
can. Yeah, but I vouched with Carla
50:40
because actually Carla is my therapist, which is bizarre
50:44
funny because like I'm interviewing you on here.
50:45
But yeah, amazing. I don't know what to do with the
50:48
actually. Thank you dad.
50:51
Well, I love our sessions too. So and I love this.
50:53
Thank you so much. This is my first live.
50:55
It wasn't as scary. Thank you everyone for all the
50:59
hearts and everything and all the comments.
51:01
I'll try and get to the comments and the and the messages.
51:04
You've got a new you've got a new hubby caller, do you?
51:09
No, no, no, no. She's already, she's already
51:12
taken. That I've got the original 1.
51:16
Yeah, anyway, Carla, look, have a fantastic night and bye.
51:21
Yeah, everyone. I'll speak to you soon.
51:24
He's out. Carla boy, Guys, that was the
51:27
awesome Carla Victoria. She's a really good friend of
51:30
mine. Amazing person and yeah, no,
51:33
Sir. What are you talking about?
51:35
Anyway, guys, listen, if you enjoyed this, please leave a
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comment. Let me know what your best part
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51:40
that we're doing in these live sessions.
51:41
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51:44
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51:45
Pop it in a comment down below here if you're watching on the
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51:50
You guys have been awesome. I've been done.
51:52
I'll see you next Monday, I think.
51:55
Maybe I think so, but Alyssa is going to kick my ass if I get
51:59
this wrong. Anyway, guys, see you later.
52:00
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