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#17: Running in Europe vs. America & Jaime’s ‘Late’ Start to Track · The People Run Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, maybe I have to like start explaining the differences between Europe and the US, which I know you want to hear about.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: Which is actually very funny because every time, specifically on the track, every time I go to the track to train and such, and I I make out like a random friend in the track, every time they ask me, so you did track at high school, you did track in college, were you division one, division two?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, nothing of that.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so essentially, like you're part of a team that, you know, you can have someone that is 15 years old, or you can have someone that is 40 years old.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: You have a training group, which might be one coach specializing 400 meters or sprinting or endurance, whatever it is, and then you run for the team in official competitions.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: And by official, I mean the majority of the competitions are regulated by one body, which we will be the equivalent to the USATF and the US, but it may be a regional body or a national body or both.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: You have to have a license to run.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome back to the People Run Podcast.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: For those who've been listening, if you're new here, thank you for listening and welcome to the People Run Podcast.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, today I have Jaime here who started track at 27, sorry, 29 years old, raced at a national level, has raced in Spain, and now calls NYC his home.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Although he's coming to you from Spain, which is uh big part of what we want to talk about today.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: But uh he started track and has had some amazing highlights.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I want to read off to some of his PRs here, which are like pretty insane um for someone who quote unquote he would say started late.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but 800 at 155, 1500 in four minutes, three seconds, 5K in 1640, 10k in 34 minutes and 48 seconds, and a half in an hour 21.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: These are like dream PRs for for most of us, and he's still going strong, running out in NYC, running now on vacation and working.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, his handle is the corporate runner, which we'll get into in a bit minute.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: But Jaime, thank you for hopping on, man.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: How you doing today from uh lovely Spain, Espana?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hey man, how are you doing?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: Hi to everyone.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me in this podcast.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's a pleasure to be here and uh to talk about what's gonna be like an interesting and fun conversation.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, for sure.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to hear the differences between uh running, you know, outside the US.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we've spoken before a little bit, but there's there's some key differences and also how you got so fast and to to dive deep into this episode.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: But jumping right into it, man.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you started at 29, started with why did you pick track first off?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's everyone asks me that question.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually like a random story because like I've always, as a good European, as a good Spaniard, I've always played what I call football, what you guys call soccer, right?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm from Madrid, big, big, uh, big football.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: I probably will say football throughout the episode, but apologies.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever I say football, I mean soccer for those listening.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I played soccer all my life.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was always like on the on the wing side because I was like pretty fast.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: But more than fast, I was like the typical guy that was that had speed but speed endurance.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I was the typical, you know, player that at the end of the match I could do a long sprint.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so one day I I would go with a friend of mine to play tennis to a place where every now and then, you know, like for fun, to a place where there was a club with like a track and such.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: And when I was like 28, which by the way, I'll just say like I started track 28 in my first race, one was when I was 29, but it's the same thing.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when I was at 28, I was like looking at that track and seeing the people there, and I'm like, hmm, I wonder if I could like come and train every now and then, thinking about getting faster for soccer, you know?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I decided to just join a random day.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: I went there, I saw the environment, and I'm like, oh, this is kind of cool.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: I went back.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: I kept on going and it kind of like taught me in a way, like it captivated me in a way.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I started going to train.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: There was a great environment and such.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it also helped that I was a little bit like sick of the environment around soccer, which I always say that it's a team sport or it's uh it feels like an individual sport in a team sport, yeah.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas athletics, running is the opposite, right?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's like uh an individual sport theoretically that ends up being very much teamwork because you train with people and you help each other and such.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: So all that captivated me.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: I started training, and again, I was thinking about getting faster for soccer, but at one point I realized that I wasn't that bad.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the coach started like offering me to stay and such, and and you know, I started rapidly training five days a week, and uh, you know, I got directly into it doing 100 and 200, by the way, which wasn't my my specialty.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh immediately my coach said, No, you gotta go up to 400, 100, you're not good for 100.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's kind of my thoughts, huh?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: That that's pretty straightforward from a coach, like, no, no, we're moving up not fast enough.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, interestingly, like, you know, my my 200 divided by two, like each 100 of my 200 was much faster than my 100 because I my like believe it or not, like my start is very slow.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't have those acceleration explosive tweaks, right?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so, but once I get speed, I'm pretty fast.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so my coach realized that I have that endurance to hold it for 400 meters, and that's why he immediately like pushed me up.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: Then I ended up in the 800 meters uh a couple years later, but I started immediately in the 400.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, that makes sense, man.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: And a kick at the end is the dream for all of us, you know, to have that.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: I prefer, you know, I'm more of a longer runner, but like having that kick at the end to keep going.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, granted, in the shorter distances, you want to be going right away.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, you know, talking about that, so you started in Europe and in Spain, you got to the track, albeit supposedly a little bit older.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I say supposedly because, you know, like here in America, we start what I'm getting at is everyone's like, okay, I go to high school, I go to college, um, I'm running in college, and that's kind of where the track experience were for you.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: It happened a little bit later.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: How'd that come about and how come the difference?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: So the first thing I'll say is that the majority of the people that I used to train with, oh, first of all, maybe I have to like start explaining the differences between Europe and the US, which I know you want to hear about.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm getting on.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Which is actually very funny because every time, specifically on the track, every time I go to the track to train and such, and I I make out like a random friend in the track, every time they ask me, so you did track in high school, you did track in college, were you division one, division two?
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, nothing of that, like like nothing to do, you know.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but what's funny?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say there's a couple differences between Europe, and by the way, I'm saying Europe here as a general concept because it's not only Spain, is maybe not all Europe, because I don't know the UK, but at least in Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, which is a tiny country, at least in those countries, it works how I'm about to say.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: So essentially, like you're part of a team that, you know, you can have someone that is 15 years old, or you can have someone that is 40 years old.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: You have a training group, which might be one coach specializing 400 meters or sprinting or endurance, whatever it is, and then you run for the team in official competitions.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: And by official, I mean the majority of the competitions are regulated by one body, which we will be the equivalent to the USATF in the US, but it may be a regional body or a national body or both.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: You have to have a license to run, doesn't matter your level.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: You have to have your license.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you have a regional license, you can run any race in your region.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: If you have a national license, you can run and the whole nation.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: But you can't just go like in the US and say, well, there's a track meet organized by elite feats and just like run it.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's all like official.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you join a team, there is a structure within that team that has those trainings every day, it has the competition associated with them, you got the license and such.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to college, there's no college, well, I mean, there is, but like it's very, very light and no one does it.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's no like college structure around athletics.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: I would say in any sport, but uh, but we're talking specifically about running.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: But you go to a university and maybe you race for your university once a year, but there's no like coaching or groups in your university.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so that leads to college and sports being totally disconnected, which means that it doesn't matter the age that you have.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: If you join a team, it's more about the group that you join, the level that you have, and the level at which you want to compete, rather than you're in college, you race college, you're in high school, you race high school, you know?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that made it easier for me to join a team and immediately feel like I was part of something because the majority of the people that I was training with, they were younger than I was, at least the ones that were competing.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: They were younger, and most of them were in college or in high school, just because in college you have more time and you have you can get and you're younger, you're stronger, whatever, right?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I was feeling old at the time that I joined because the majority of people were younger than that I was, but at the same time, the feeling that I had of saying, well, I'm actually doing track at 29, 30, whatever, it's performing pretty well.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was racing for my team, I was always chosen to do a race, either 400 or 800.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was always chosen to do a race for the team, which already indicates that you have D7 vote.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that of course brings the motivation, right?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: When you're good at something, you want to keep on going.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Question for you on that to peel back a little bit.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to get a license.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: How does one go about getting their license in Europe?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're part of a team, as I said, like the um the body that regulates track and field.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: So let me put it this way.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say you I see you at a race, and I'm like, huh, this guy is pretty fast.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: I want to look him up.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you if I look you up on the website of the body, the USATF equivalent, I can see every single race that you've done, every single year.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Where was it?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: What was your time?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: All of them.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why that is, is because if you think about it, I always put the example like, doesn't matter what level you are, the top Olympian level and the basic amateur regional level, those are connected.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're far away, but they're connected, which means that if that regional level guy were to do better times and better times and better times, he would qualify for regional championship, like national championship, I don't know, European championship.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't really matter where you've done.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, if you're elite, obviously you're going to do your times on diamond leagues or like international meets and such.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: We all know that, right?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: But there's also regional championships.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, like that body makes sure that every single uh meet that's organized has appropriate judges, has appropriate photo finish.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: The distance are accurately measured, the track is in good conditions.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: For example, I used to have my spikes verified because there's a maximum legal length that you have your spikes.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: There used to be like a win measurement, because if the wind is more than 2.0 meters per second, it's illegal.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if you do 13 seconds in 100 meters, it's still illegal.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so the reason why they do that is because like all the times are official and all the times are worth, you don't know.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I'm Spanish, for example, and I do a meet in Oregon and I qualify for the national championship because I did X time, that qualifies.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't matter where you did it and how, because it's official, you know.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why it's regulated.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now the downside is that you have to belong to a team, you have to have a coach or report yourself as independent, you have to pay the fees.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a more broad, like European things always work, like it's more centralized and more bureaucracy than just what you need.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and I'll give you an example.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know I'm extending myself a little bit, but I'll give you an example.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like I recently came to Spain and I I emailed them saying, Hey, if if there's any meat, can I can I just run it?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'll pay the cost of whatever.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: They said, No, you need a license.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about money.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's you don't have a license, you're not allowed to race.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: That that's uh well, I like the organization of it.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it that way.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Very different.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's a better word.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Very different, but I like the organization.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: It reminds me of a lot of the pros and like world championships and and you know how the pros for marathons, um, the qualifying times, what's ratified, what's not.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but like everyone gets kind of access to that.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of cool.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some might say it's limiting, but you know, there's some kind of organization and uh and structure to it, which is pretty cool.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um for the team, um, assuming you're wearing singlets as well that represents your team as well.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: And like, are you sponsored by is every team sponsored by like a brand or something like that?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Or is just, hey, this is what we got, this is our colors.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of depends on the team and the philosophy.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I've been in two teams.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: I was in one in Luxembourg and I was one in in Spain.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can, for example, the team that I was in in in Spain, it was a big team that used to be a very good team, but it's not as good anymore.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's good, but it's not like top level.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the coach kind of runs the team as well.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you can have a team with coach and with a program, whatever, or you can have your own uh training group.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like let's say you want to have an 800, 1500 middle distance training group.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: You have your own training group with your buddies, and then you have a team that you run for.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: For example, Barcelona, the soccer, the famous soccer team, they have an athletics and track and field team as well.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: And because they're top level, what they do is they don't care who you train with, they hire you because they want you to represent me as a team.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so you can have those pathways.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_00: But the the I would say the sponsorship works.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I left Spain in 2019, so maybe it's changed a little bit.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I would say the sponsorships work a little different from the US because athletics doesn't really move that much money either.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like it didn't cost money to us, but we also didn't get like stuff.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: We got like singlets and such, but I'll tell you the races every meet the price was like three or four euros per meet, so nothing.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's that's amazing.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: It beats uh the the 200 plus we're starting to see now on some of these races.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's wild, man.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: What what's the um I want to ask you like you know, you've been here a while and we'll get to New York in a minute, but what is the training like out there for you know, because you have a sanctioning body as you're explaining, you have a coach, which is really cool.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: You just have a coach, and it sounds like they're gonna be very experienced, just given all the organization behind it.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: What's the training like out there?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say is a mix between so I guess as always, it depends, right?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and my experience with two teams, like my team in Luxembourg was a little more serious, my team in in Spain, I'm I don't want to say less serious, but it was more welcoming.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's usually like a like a structure.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: You train five days a week, you have a coach that tells you what times you need to do.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to train six days a week, or if you want to do a little more, like he helps you.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like I remember, for example, I was in COVID in Spain, uh training for my Luxembourg team, and I would speak with my coach almost every day.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: He would tell me, you need to do this.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, these are the times that you need to hit.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is the equipment that you have.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: So try to do this and this.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it's more, it's more a structured training program that is kind of funneled to something.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas what I've seen in the US or in New York, which is what I know, it's more that you have a lot of running clubs and like you have an amazing running community, but you, unless you pay for it or you get a personalized coach, I struggled, and maybe I haven't found it yet, and but I don't think it exists as I knew it.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've struggled in New York to find teams that actually have a coach that is five days a week or six days a week with your program, like Monday you do this, Tuesday this, Wednesday this, Thursday this, and supervise it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I can answer that one for you now that I've moved around the US a little bit.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um it is seldom that you're gonna find you'll find right running boom, as we all know, is amazing.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's big right now, it's everywhere.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna see run clubs no matter where you're at, there's gonna be 10 of them.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: But from what I've seen to your point, there are very few.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: There's like three distinctions I found so far.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying this to be the exact answer, but what I've seen is you have your run club, they usually run twice a week.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're usually like some 5k, maybe they do a long run, the more serious ones.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Then you have your other clubs that do a little bit more frequently.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: They'll do like, you know, speed workouts, they'll do long runs, they'll do the the early in the week easy run.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then they have what you're kind of describing, but those are rare and they're almost always paid for.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen these when I was in uh PW and I've seen them here also a little bit in in Colorado now, where you'll pay a fee and it's monthly and it's like a hundred something, 200, depending, but it'll be like what you're saying, and kind of sounds like what most of Europe is, but still sounds more organized in Europe where they do have a coach and they have a program and they have a whole bunch of athletes who are, you know, they race together, they have singlets for the team, and and your coach you can talk, text to, you know, see Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and they do all the easy run, long run, tempo workouts, they prep for races, and you you have that dedicated coach for that team.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um and what you find is I don't want to say the dedicated runner, but that's what comes to mind because there are a lot of dedicated runners who who kind of just figured out, and to your point, the let's say the Western way for now, they usually get their own personalized coach.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's kind of the way it's done here, more versus like the clubs in Europe.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but there are those clubs that do that where hey, you pay a monthly fee.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I I find it's usually it's a set of a hundred something people, um, not as big as say your run clubs now.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I've seen some of these run clubs in New York now, they're getting four or five hundred people on one day, and it's it's wild.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a whole another gist in its own.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it is kind of rare.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Talking about that, we we've kind of hinted at a little bit, but you ran in Spana, you ran um in Luxembourg.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: At some point, you ran at a national level, correct?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh talk to me about that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it well, it depends what you call national.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: In Luxembourg, the nation kind of doesn't count as a little company.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, in Spain, as as I was saying, like the clubs have different levels, and clubs that are in upper levels, they they they race at a national level.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got uh club competitions, which are essentially like all the events, well, not all the events, but like I think it's like 10 or 15 events.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: You put one athlete per event and you get points depending on the position.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: You compete against eight teams, or eight eight teams compete.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if you race 800 and you're third in the 800, you get six points.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so that adds up, and whoever wins, you know, like the teams win or they're third or whatever, they go up in a category or they go down.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was my team was in a national category, and I was always selected to run for them, which means that they might be six 400 meter runners, but only one can represent the team.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so they select the one that they think is going to give points, you know, or has the highest odds to give higher points.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I would um, I think in the four years that I or three and a half years that I race for my team, I would always do either four or eight hundreds and a relay, usually I would do because they also had relay.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so you would like to travel for the meets, it would be like teams from all over Spain.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty fun.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of them were unfortunately were in Madrid because you know it's the centralized place and the meeting was organized in Madrid because it's easier for everyone.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: But we traveled quite a bit and you get paid for that, and sometimes you stay in a hotel and they pay you for the expenses and such, kind of depends on the sponsorship and such.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it was, I mean, it was a very good experience, and it wasn't something that I was expecting to have um at that age and such.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it was a great experience that when I came to New York, I I missed.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, New York uh it's gonna be very different.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh Madrid's very centralized, but you know, Madrid is amazing.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh by the way, I was gonna point out something that something to what you said um as well is that you know, in New York also, there are teams.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: I say New York because it's what I know, and I and I think correct me if I'm wrong, but I think New York is the closest to Europe, probably or one of the closest to the US, because I think you mentioned this to me uh last time we spoke, that you know, you go to some smaller cities and you don't even have a team that goes to the track after college.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: So in New York, you kind of have a little bit of that, but you show up in the track and you know, there's a guy walking the dog, there's another woman with two kids riding a bike, there's two old women walking on the first and second lane, there's a a group of people doing our barbecue.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like you're in a track training, but it's like a track that is like a public park, essentially, where which is something that to me surprised me because it's not like you're elite and people don't deserve to be there, but it's more like when I train, where in Luxembourg, like we were trained in the National Stadium and like it was kind of reserved for us.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: But in in Spain, there was an hour or the I think it was two hours that were booked for the team.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: And like it was only the team.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you would train and everyone in the track was part of the team doing maybe different things, but there wasn't like people just walking there with dogs, you know?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, to your point, like Spain, it sounds like it's more organized and it may be taken a little bit more seriously.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying like everyone's serious, but like, you know, the running, hey, it's track time, we're gonna focus, and it's serious.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Where in New York, you know, as a New Yorker myself, like it's become that now where we have tracks that you can go to, but they are public, where it's like, hey, you know, it's like this public park that was created, and there's like everyone can go and and and you run.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you're gonna see someone walking their dog, someone's barbecuing if it's summer, you know, someone might be doing push ups in the corner just because it's the local park.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: But um, it it depends where you live too.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like here in Colorado, I see I see both.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I see like summer high schools where it's like, okay, you can only go during these hours because you know it belongs to the high school.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: And there are some tracks where like you see, at least because I'm pretty close to like Boulder since I'm in Denver, so you see the ones where the elites okay, these are the times that they kind of set and they're closed for these couple hours for like say on brand team or something, some of the pros and whatnot or elites that run there.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: So it depends where you live, but it it from everything I've heard of Europe, just between speaking to you and other people I know out there, it just seems like you know, running's taken a little bit more serious.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, when we're running, we're at the track, we're here, we're on a mission, versus here is like it's recreational.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it it's public, it's for everyone.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think also in favor of the US, I would say so.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think in Europe it's taken a little more serious because in the US it's like two extremes, is very serious when you're college level, even high school level, not serious at all.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: And please, people that are listening to me understand when I say not serious, like in a in a good way, not serious, not professionalized at all when it's outside that environment.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: In Europe, or at least what I know, it's never as serious as the college side, unless you're pro, but it's always a little more serious.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: And as it happens with Europe in general, everything is more centralized, and therefore there's more centralized controls around stuff because like the track that I was training on, it was also a public track, but it was a public track with a system that allowed people like you could go there and run, like you could just show up and run, but it had to be between this hour and this hour.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you were a part of the club, the club would have, I think I had reserved from six to eight.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: And that was only for the club, but it was so public.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, that makes sense.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: You you put it perfectly with the word professionalized, you know, versus um, because you know, here after after college, if if you're not doing D1 and stuff, it's it's more up to you as an individual.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Touching on that, you know, you eventually moved to New York.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: How'd that come about?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and how how's running and how are you liking well?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: I came to New York because um because of my company, like I got a position in New York.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: When it comes to running, I must say, like, I really when I was in Spain, I really enjoyed the running and the environment around running.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Then when I moved to Luxembourg, it was a little I I lost a little bit about the fun and the environment.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: It almost felt like a job.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was more serious, it was more competitive.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was training with two people that were Olympians, essentially, one of them Olympic finalists in Tokyo.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and the coach was very serious, which was very good, but it felt like a job.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I came to New York, I was a little tired of that dedication already, and that adding to the fact that there was nothing similar.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, also you're in New York and you want to experience New York.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like Luxembourg is a born city, New York is not.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: You want to experience New York, you want to think about, you know, you can be in New York, as you probably know, you can be a tourist in your own city.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't want to be thinking, well, I want to go here and I want to go to this restaurant, but I can't because I got to do this training, or I can't eat this because tomorrow I'm gonna do this.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to disconnect a little bit from that.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, like the lack of ex like existence of that like structured body that we already talked about, kind of like was that final push to say, like, okay, I'm done with this.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I honestly thought for two years that I wasn't that track was like behind.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was leaving track behind.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I performed decently, like I could have maybe done a little better, whatever, but it was fine.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: But now, like I started getting into the like embracing in a way the difference in the running community in New York.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: It is true that I'll I'll tell you this, and maybe again, like people that are listening to me, maybe in Madrid and Spain and Europe, it's changed since I left.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: But at least compared to what I see or what I saw when I lived here, running wasn't as social as it is in New York.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: In New York, it's less professionalized, but it's so social or socialized.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's triggered, it's targeted towards like meeting people.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's even like a lot of dating happening in New York clubs, and there's a lot of like people that have never done sports in their life, and all of a sudden they feel they've sort of fallen in love with the sport because of it.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like you see, as you said, like 400 people in clubs, but in each training, you see like 100 people maybe.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a totally different environment.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I started going to Paragon Sports, which is a which is a sports store in New York that has a running club on Tuesdays.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't work for them, even though it sounds like promo, but um, and I started meeting people there, and it was it was kind of cool, it was very different, but it was kind of cool.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: The environment got cool.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: I made friends there, and then in New York, like it happens, I think, with every hobby, there's this thing where there's like a million ramifications of the same hobby that you only have in New York.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so that that's what started happening to me.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like I started meeting people that were pacing, I started meeting people that I'm I'm in a tracksmith uh pacing group now for the marathon.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I've done some pacing for elite feats races, I've met people that then go for Saturday morning where I was like, you start like you know meeting people and having all these friends and all these plans that are associated to running, and I just embraced that.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it was totally different, and it gives you a different type of happiness in a way, and because I build a solid, you know, capacity of like training hard and having that that is that speed and speed endurance, I've quickly adapted to those type of trainings, and I'm doing I'm doing fairly well, and that helps, of course.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh, even for New York, I can tell you, right?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like in the past, I don't know, let's just say decade to throw a time on it, it a lot has changed.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: New York has always been a running town, don't get me wrong.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like the New York marathon's been forever, and growing up as a kid, I always saw runners, but like the last few years with the running boom and even before that, it it's grown so much.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And and to your point, yeah, it's very social in New York.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's really cool.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's just environments now, even now, as I go back, I to your point, I feel like a tourist when I go back now because these run clubs didn't exist, or this park I grew up was dangerous and it's no longer dangerous, and like, oh, wait, there's a meat going on.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, um, so so it gets insane.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: But to your point, it is very social where it gets more like, yeah, let's you know get to know each other.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're running the marathon, I'm running the marathon, you're running the half.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we we go into the tracksmith event next month and we're doing the 5K, you know, let's sync up and you know, after everyone's getting food, drinks, or whatever, or whatever they're into, you know, and it's so much going on, which is also really cool.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like a different um, I guess, aspect to running, which is also great, you know.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, on that though, it sounds like no, go ahead.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, I was just gonna say that that is it, it also feels more welcoming because I always say that track in of itself, it's a filter.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're if you feel like you're not a good runner, why would you go to a track to train with a track team?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it already filters the people that are not that or don't have that potential because themselves don't feel like they belong there and they're gonna feel bad.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you're running a marathon in two hours, I don't know, I'm just making it up in two hours and 50, and then there's someone running in three hours, 20 minutes, it's like it's fine because you can do like easy runs, long runs together, or even like four hours, whatever it is.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm I'm just trying to get a wider gap.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas if someone goes to the track and and is not able to run, I don't know, 800 meters faster than two minutes, 25 seconds, and you're training with people that are doing two minutes, it's just 25 seconds difference, but you feel so slow that you don't want to go back.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so that spirit of like welcoming of everyone, I think has a very good side to it too.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not always negative, is my point.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, I agree, man.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I I definitely see that as a positive and it's very welcoming because to your point, yeah, you could be a three and a half marathoner and be next to a two and a half marathoners.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: You may not do all the workouts, but you would be at the same club where if like we're both on a track, we we ain't talking or seeing each other and we're not hanging out.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, other than that, is that so that's one it sounds like there's been a a lot of key differences, good and positive for you um between being in Europe, running Europe, and not running here, and you're finding your peace with it, um, and love for it here, even in New York City.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what what are some of the key major differences you're seeing, you know, other than hey, it's welcoming, it's social.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else come to mind?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think uh to be a little negative, I think the culture around specifically the running has a couple of flaws.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: And with that, I'm someone that I'm I tend to be analytical, so I like to analyze why things are happening.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the reason why the cultural aspect, or one of the reasons why the culture aspect is a little worse, is precisely because of that welcoming environment where everyone is welcomed, where there's no seriousness in the training and such.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, people that are new at something don't know how it works.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's no like discipline or like ethics that are taught.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: And for example, I'm I'm more of a track expert than I am on road running, but like you go to the track, and you know, people that are, you know, that's the typical training where you do like a 400 repeat and then you rest as you jog.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you gotta make sure that you go to lane eight when you do that rest.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because on lane one, it's all lane one and two are for the people that are doing the reps.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: But in my trainings that I've done in Europe, whenever you spend like one second, or like exaggerated, it depends, right?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: But like a couple seconds in the lane that it didn't correspond to you, your coach would like shout at you and like get out of lane one.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so you would move out of lane one.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that triggers like automatic responses where okay, I'm doing this, I go this way.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a lot of like little rules that are not rules, they're just like, or or they're they're recovery, like recoveries are made for something.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like if it's one minute and 30 seconds, it's not one minute and 40 seconds we're not chit-chatting.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's one minute and 30 seconds.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you do more, it's a different training.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you do less, it's a different training.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a lot of ethics around that that it takes time to build because you knew it's something, like in everything in life.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: But when you're a part of a team where every single training you do with the same group and the same coach, you end up learning them and you end up automating them.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas you go to New York or you go to the running clubs that I've been to, and there's a lot of people that have never done any sports or never run before, or maybe they go out for jogs on their own and such, and they just don't know.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so they don't know how to warm up, they don't know how to cool down, they don't know where they have to run, what it is to run.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like people, I see people on a track doing the distances with their watch.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, the track is measured.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need your watch if you like, you know what I mean?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a couple things that it's not the runner's fault, is the the environment around it that it really is so welcoming that anyone can do it, but no one is taught to how to do it.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I get what you mean, and I think there's a few variables to this that comes to mind, and I'll just share one I think is definitely that sanction embodying the organization of Europe, right?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I've seen this with like friends I have abroad, like outside US, or even some of the guests I've had.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like those are things to your point where they're taught, like, you know, you go to track the first thing, you're gonna know, hey, lane one is fast, you know, and warm-up reverse or go on eight, you know, et cetera, or for smaller tracks, either way, you're going to the other end.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, we've even spoken about this, and some of your content shared on Instagram touches on this, which you share and is amazing, like form and cadence and things.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And here, um, so putting that as context, um here you see that if you go to college or high school and you're running, right?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're gonna have the sanctioning body, the coach and the the school and the athletics, you know.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm thinking of Utah right now, for example, the best marathoners right now at this time are coming from Utah.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you got Connor Mance and Clayton and stuff, but they're part of BYU Athletics, right?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the university out there.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: And when you watch their videos, all these runners, they know, right?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: But that's because they have a big sanctioning body.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, but when you leave that, you know, in Europe, you have a place you can go to, you have that club and everyone, and that that organization says we're here.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: We don't really have that.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, I from what I've seen so far, um, you know, across the years and growing up here in America and a few states and stuff, like it's far and few between where you have those clubs where like you have that dedicated coaching team.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone kind of just wings it and does it.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other point is I think is the boom of running, right?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now you just got the barrier to entry has lowered in running a little bit, which is a great thing, and also it brings some some some negatives, right?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Great, we got more people running.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um somewhat downside, but I think it'll be fixed.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Races are harder to get into.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, downside is people don't study for them, or the ethics of or etiquette, I should say, of track.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um people are wearing crazy shoes, you know, like you start today and you already got a plate on your shoe and and 40 mil stack, but like you have no foot strength because you started, but hey, it's the cool sneaker.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Where like I can see a coach in a college here, university in America, here, or even a year ago, and like, no, no, no, no, you're wearing flats.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Where like you got people who are just watching social media and you know, and they're starting, and it's great.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get me wrong, like I'm one of those people who started in COVID, but um, they're not learning those things.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: There's just a lot of nuance.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I can give you a funny anecdote uh because or funny interesting anecdote uh around how do I how did I learn that the hard way in a way, right?
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: I remember this training where you know, middle distance or 400-meter training, we're doing, I think it was like 600-meter reps, like all out, 600, like one, 600, five minutes rest, another, you know, that kind of training.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: And we were like a group of four or five.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: And you know how some like at least here they teach you that, you know, whenever you do a lot of reps or like difficult reps, like someone starts at the front, but being at the front is much harder than following the guy that's going at the front.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe you go, you do the first one at the front, I do the second one on the front, and he does the third one at the front, whatever it might be.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I remember like I was the first and the second rep, I was behind this guy that was doing all the effort.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then the third one, because I was feeling fresh, the last 100 meters, like I sprinted and I came in first, and I was like so happy because I had performed and I was like strong enough.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: And also I turned around.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: This was my first year.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: I turned around and I see like the guy was super pissed, and people were like going like this, and like, and you know, like the coach grabbed me after the training on the side and he told me, Hi, mate, you don't do that.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you don't do what?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I like you're you're here to train hard.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I went all out.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Yeah, it's fine if you go all out.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if you go so fast on the last hundred meters, it means that you had strength that you didn't utilize on the previous ones.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: So what you have to do is either you say, I'm doing the third one, the third rep from the start, I'm going first, or you do that on the other ones, but you don't go to the guy that's doing all the work and you pass them and you humiliated them because that is not ethical.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: That is not how this sport works.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that teaches you a lesson because you go to New York and people in even in running clubs, like when you do like long runs, you feel like people start racing each other.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, yeah, dude, this is like not a race.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like we are supposed to, that's why I said at the beginning that it's an individual sport that sometimes feels like team sport, because the point is like if you're me are more or less the same level, it's fine if you pull from me and I follow you, and then we switch and I pull from you and you follow me because that's the way we're both going to improve.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't make sense that you we're supposed to run at six minute 50 the mile, and also you go at 550 just because you want to be me the last mile.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like it doesn't make any sense.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what for?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of thing is like it teaches you lessons, and the fact that everyone around you is like like shaming you, quote unquote, because you did something immediately triggers like a like a lesson learned.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: That that's interesting because it's like I feel like it depends who you run with here.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, it depends.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: If you're running with a group that you've run consistently with, we're gonna know, hey, we're all here in it together, you know, don't don't overdo the pace, or if you gotta do the pace early, you know, let's all sync up first, versus like it's even harder in New York as I think about this.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking as I'm speaking right now, but like in New York, it's even harder because you have so much people, so many like different walks of life and social, like where that's gonna be hard to find, and it's hard to find you.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's crazy how such a small city, I say small because living in New York, everyone who's ever been there or lived there, you take a train for two miles, which doesn't seem like far, but that two miles is an hour and a half and there's just so much people there, man, and so much different things can happen.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: But the point I'm making is, man, yeah, I I think it depends who you run with here, and it's important to find a good group.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But more importantly, and I'll I'll use this as segue, is because you do this very well, is train smart.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And here you can have that, but you got to find your group, and there's gonna be a lot of people.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying this is a negative, just that they're still finding their way.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: And when you start training smarter, you're like, oh, that makes sense, you know.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like if I rest, it's 130 for a reason because if I go two minutes, my heart went down too much, and now I'm out of threshold.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it it's it's interesting to hear from your perspective because obviously you you grew up with like a lot of the etiquette and understanding and knowledge, which um you do a great job of sharing online on your social media, which I'll plug in here for everyone listening.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um you're describing me like I'm I I train smart and such, but it took me a lot of years to learn how to train smart.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was, I remember again on my first year, I was training with these guys that were at national level and very good.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember putting a lot of weight on the gym because we used to do weights like twice a week.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: And as part of the training program, by the way.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I used to put like a lot of weight and like I felt like I could do it, so I would just do it.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: And one time this guy walks to me, he says, Why are you putting so much weight?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Well, I don't know, because I can do it.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Yeah, but you've been doing this for two months.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: You shouldn't put that much weight.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and my response was like, Yeah, but if I put less weight than you and I'm slower than you today, then I'm never gonna catch you because I'm never gonna be at your level.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy's like, No, no, no, this doesn't work that way.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you have to adapt to the training little by little.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: And when you adapt to this weight, then you add a little more and then a little more, and then you race, and then you, you know, but it's not like you don't do whatever you want.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's a process that you need to follow.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: And if not, you might get injured.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Or if not, you might be overtrained and you might be exhausted, but you don't know that because you've never done it.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: So for you, it doesn't feel that way.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: But if no one teaches you that, and I this goes back to my point of an amateur running just joining a club and putting it in road running language.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: If you are used to going for run what one run a week and all of a sudden you meet these people and you want to sign up for a marathon, and you go like, wait a second, they're doing 70 miles a week.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: I should start doing 70 miles a week as well, because if not, I'm not gonna run like them.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: Mistake.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: It takes months or years to get to that point.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've learned some of those the hard way myself where I try to ramp up the mileage too early, and then it's like, oh boom, injury, and you know, you try it again, and then on the third one, you're like, Oh yeah, I need to scale this back.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and and then I started learning and getting into the books and and coaching and stuff.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, okay, this makes a lot more sense.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: Where in Europe you would have had that coach that would have been like, no, you know, another thing I want to touch on talking about differences, you know, let's talk nutrition, man.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of my favorite topics.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because Spain, the food is amazing, but I feel like it's it's really healthy.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: What differences have you seen from you know training, running in Europe, um, with nutrition, and now being here in the States?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll start by saying that me myself, I am someone that enjoys eating healthy and being healthy as a person, whether I'm doing sports or not.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think as everything in life, it's easier to do something when you have a goal than if you don't have a goal.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have a goal of training harder or training faster, whatever it is, it's easier to go to do what needs to be done.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: But overall, I tend to be healthy or on the healthier side.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is easier in Spain specifically because the quality of the food is better.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I think someone that is fairly normal or on the healthier side in Spain could be considered as extreme in the US when it comes to eating culture.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think in Spain you don't see, or at least I don't see it, I didn't see it back in the day as much, like ending the training, going out to have beers, for example, or getting pizza or bagels or waffles, like things that I see here almost every week.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like for me, at first, they were like, you bring in pizza after training and beer, like what?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I I will say this like I think in there is a piece of the nutrition that is under focus in the US, but I would break down the nutrition and and split your nutrition and running into two.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, on one hand, you have the fuel and the sources of fuel, right?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like carbs and protein to recover and all that.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: People do worry about that in the US, like people cart load, people have pasta before trainings, people like eat try to eat protein after uh like the macronutrients people try to build, like not everyone, but like it is part of the the conversation, it is part of the the process and such.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: But then when you move to the other side of the nutrition, how nutritious is something or how much how many vitamins or how healthy it is because like the quality of the fuels that you're having?
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: You can have as carbs, let's say, as fuel because you're going for a long run.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: But do you know what the difference is between simple carbs and complex carbs?
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what it is to have fiber or not have fiber?
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: How fast does the glucose spike, or all the vitamins and nutrients that you need in order for your body to feel healthier, your muscles to be recovering quicker?
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like people tend to forget that, you know, when you train very hard, it's not necessarily healthy for you.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like doing 80 miles a week or doing lactic trainings is not necessarily.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Heart healthy for you, like it's not super healthy, but but there's a piece of it that is unhealthy or not as healthy, and your body needs a recovering process, it needs, you know, it needs to work harder to go through that overcompensated or supercompensated supercompensation process to recover, right?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: And what happens is that when that your body is working harder for that supercompensation, it's a little weaker.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so the risk of getting injured, getting sick because your immune system is weaker, is higher.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you're not having the vitamins and nutrients and such like fruits, vegetables, all that that compensate for all that, then you might get sick and you might need to stop training for a couple of days because you have a cold, which is maybe nothing.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that is sometimes connected to the fact that you're weaker because your body is working fine on uh on something else, which is recovering, right?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I like to think about my nutrition as an as a you know a 360-degree process where I want to be as healthy as I can, keeping in mind that I need certain fuel sources as well, but always making sure that it's coming from a healthy source and not carbs from chips or from a cake, which I've heard in New York.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people do it, yeah.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the younger you are, the more crazy it kind of seems.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think it's everywhere.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's not even it could be in Europe too.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think everyone knows by now, for better or for worse, like just foods cleaner.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wish it were cleaner here uh versus Europe, but it's an important distinction you just made there.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um go ahead.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, sadly, is also more accessible because like in you uh you go to a super I was in a supermarket today.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: You go to supermarket and a kilo or two pounds of uh choose your fruit might be cheaper than a chocolate bar that will never fly in New York.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like fruit is super expensive in New York, or in the US in general, but in New York in particular, vegetables are very expensive, like a pound of tomatoes might be seven bucks in in New York, whereas here it might be a euro.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's also an accessibility issue.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I agree with that.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: And New York food prices is is insane, man.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, even when I go back home to visit the family, I'm like, it's even more expensive than here.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, what is going on?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but no, that's an important distinction you made, man.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I think um, I mean, granted, I know there's people who do beers and pizza after races, it's kind of part of the culture, and some people do it, but I think that's an important distinction you made, you know, the quality of like, yeah, carbs, we do need carbs.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of the science now is pretty much known, regardless of what camp you are in or or how, you know, how much you run or how little you run, that you need carbs, but the quality is important.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, am I gonna have rice versus like a bag of potato chips?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're both carbs and they might get you the 60 gram of carbs.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: But like one is gonna give you those nutrients and to the point you made, man, the harder you work, the more mileage and threshold you put in.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going through that now, man, where like I'm getting hungrier and hungrier, but now it's to the point because my mileage is increasing that I also have to add that quality in food no matter what I do.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, I feel like crap because I need nutrients and food to come back.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, I'm super fatigued, man.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's a matter of getting used to like as I said, like the having a goal makes it easier, but like I always like it's a it's a dumb example.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: But when I got to the US, I was like, dude, people put like all kinds of in the coffee, like people have a latte with cream and then they add sugar and whatever.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: I have black coffee here at most.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: I add like a couple, a little bit of like oat milk or something like that.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: But what's interesting is that if if you have your your latte with your creams and your stuff, and I have my black uh coffee with like for me, the fiend that it gives me, it's the same or similar to the fiend that it gives you.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_00: So why don't you get used to doing putting a little less and you'll get the same feeling, but at the same time you'll be you'll or you will feel as rewarded, but at the same time you'll be healthier.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, for example, chocolate, people tend to think that chocolate is a bad thing.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: Black chocolate is not a bad thing.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: Bad chocolate, black chocolate is actually good for your health.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you if it's 85% or 90%, it's actually not bad for your health.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually on the good side because it has antioxidants and such.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: But what is not good is like milk chocolate with sugars and oils, and that's not good for you, even though it has a sugar that gives you the cart loading.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: See, I I just avoid chocolate nowadays when in training, um, because I don't like dark chocolate, even though I know it's great for me.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: And funny enough, my girlfriend, that's her thing, dark chocolate.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm giving me the sugary chocolate.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, when I'm training, I avoid it, right?
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because obviously you want to be smart about this, but I agree on the coffee, man.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, um, you know, I keep seeing these memes and Instagram stuff where it's like, oh yeah, people go to Dunkin', which now I'm convinced is one of the worst places for coffee that exists.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: But uh it's like you get in this big jug, and this much is sugar, and here's your coffee.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you said it's similar, but no, I I would say it's worse because you're gonna get that sugar rush and crash versus like actually getting the caffeine boost um where you're not gonna crash when it's cleaner.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's insane, man.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um but talking about like racing and food and nutrition and just being healthy and pushing it to a next level.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think I saw it in one of your Instagram posts where you share stuff.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_01: I want to talk about this and share for the listener.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about tapering for a race and carb loading at the same time.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I found your approach for you, it might be normal, but this is why I'm asking.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like it was a little bit different than what I guess traditional we see.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you taper for a race?
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh especially yours.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yours tend to be really fast, obviously, because you're doing 800s, 400s, that kind of stuff, or miles.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh how do you taper for a race?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: What's your carb load look like?
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it depends on the first of all, the type of race, as you mentioned, but also whether it's a race that you consider an important race or just part of your your normal training cycle.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, assuming that it's an important race for you, what you want to do is let's let's say it's not, I don't know about math on as much, but like uh 5k and below, let's say.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would say that at least one week before, like you want to try to do the hardest training at least one week out, meaning like you want to have that try that time to recover, but also assimilate the benefits from the training.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, like you don't want to from that hard training, that last hard training, you want to not add more volume into it, but you also want to be careful not to relax your muscles and your body too much, and so what I tend to do, I tend to shorten the volume a lot, but keep increasing or at least keeping the same intensity.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning, if I'm gonna do, let's say, a mile race on Saturday, and my pre my last heart training is a previous Thursday, which means nine days out, you wanna maybe like you know, you wanna do less intense trainings in those nine days, but at the same time, you you want to do maybe like a couple of 200 repeats with a little bit of a longer uh resting period at mile pace, but you don't want to add like 10 times 200 because that's gonna add fatigue that needs recovery, and you need over a little more rest.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm a big fan of instead of resting the day before, resting two days before, and the day before doing activation.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of my that what I've seen and and what what has worked for me, or maybe not rest at arm.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: I rest sometimes, I mean cross-training or doing like a little very, very light job.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: But like that, I would do two days before, and maybe the day before I would do like a couple like very short, fast, like if you want to do like 10 seconds out or like 60 meters, 80 meters, something to like to like activate your your muscles a little bit.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Very short, no fatigue, you know, but but awaken your body kind of thing.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you're talking about uh curb loading, you don't really, I don't think you really need to curb load a lot for shorter races.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: I do like to have like a carb heavy meal the night before.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm gonna do an 800 or 1500 mile, something like that on the Saturday morning or Saturday midday or whatever it is, um, the day before I might have like a meal that is at least first of all, have a meal that is heavy in carbs and protein.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: And second, try to leave a lot of a lot of time between when I have the meal, when I go to bed, so that I can process a meal and not have it in my, you know, not being digesting when I go to bed, because that's gonna that's gonna improve my sleep.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then usually the morning of, assuming again, the races in the morning or middle of the day, not in the afternoon, what every time when I when I have a race in the morning or midday, I wake up, I have a coffee, I'll have a coffee, but I don't have a coffee right when I wake up.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: I have I'd have water, maybe like one or two glasses, I have a banana, a little bit of oats with water, like like porridge, maybe some dates, depending on the type.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I'm gonna be like 400, 800, I may I might not even need have dates.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: If it's like more aerobic type of thing, like a 5k or 10k, I will have dates because dates is again, it's a very good source of sugar, but it's a healthy source of sugar.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: It has fiber, which which slows down a little bit your your intake of sugar, but at the same time, it's something healthy.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I I like dates, uh, oats, banana, and maybe let's say 30, 45 minutes after waking up is when I have my coffee.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you use delay that coffee intentionally, like get your food water in first before the coffee?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I do.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: I want first of all, I want to have my coffee with something in my stomach.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: And second, it's uh I mean, there's a bunch of studies that that show that it's better to allow your body some time to wake up naturally rather than forcing that awake, like waking up with coffee, which I tend to do every day.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: But when I when I race, I do it a little more intentionally.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Unless it's like if I'm going to do like a training in the morning, maybe like my times are shorter.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: But if it's like race where I wake up at I try to wake up at least two hours before I start warming up.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's when I when I you know wake up, have my my water, my banana, and such, and then 45 minutes later.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: I asked that for exactly that reason.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've read the studies where like, hey, if you delay your coffee a little bit, it kind of helps with not getting the midday crash, better absorbing the caffeine, um, not to nerd out on the science, but your uh adenosine levels are clear completely versus you still drinking coffee and they're still in there, which means you're awake, etc.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I was curious if you just did that out of habit or or or the study.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um you hinted there a little bit of like dates and notes and stuff.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_01: What what sort of staples are in your like pantry and food at home on a day-to-day basis?
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you gave us some breakfast ones, but like on your overall day, what what's in the the food at home?
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a lot of fruit.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: I have because I have at least five or six pieces of fruit a day, uh bananas for breakfast.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: I like blueberries and all kinds of berries.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: I like them with yogurt uh at night.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I tend to buy seasonal fruit just because it's like better.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I love oranges right now.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like I love like figs.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I I look at like certain fruits like figs, for example.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm here in Spain, and my mom is like getting angry at me because I'm having all the figs that she buys for herself and such.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm like, yeah, but they're so good.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't really like crave those that those sweets.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: My sweetness comes from either dark chocolate or fruit.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so every meal ends with a sweet.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I like sweets after after every meal, but every meal ends with fruit for me.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: Then I eat a lot of a lot of vegetables.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: I have, I try to have whole grain pasta, whole grain rice, but I always have uh some white pasta or rice for before race because I white pasta, like whole grain has fiber, which slows down the absorption and such.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes you do want that spike, and that's why I switched to white pasta, but I'm conscious about it.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have like cheese that has low fat, I have low fat yogurt, I I don't have any soda as well.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I do have spindriff and such, like like you know, like carbonated water flavor, and I love that.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I have a lot of nuts as well.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: Chicken, I don't usually buy meat.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: We buy either chicken or fish, but not that often, to be honest.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say, like, people when I say these things, specifically in the US, people tend to think, oh, but you're like so extremely so disciplined.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no, I'm I'm not, I really am not disciplined, I swear.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't, I don't like measure my fruits and my vegetables and such.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I just got used to it.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no counting or anything.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: And like for me, it's just normal.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: When I'm like doing like a quote unquote salad, and I say quote unquote, because the last thing I add is lettuce, I do like a big mid, I have a lot of potatoes, I have a lot of sweet potato, for example, which is like heavy, but it's healthy.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so I have like a lot of like mixed dishes with like a lot of vegetables.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, a plate that doesn't have vegetables is like something missing here.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's I don't try to be perfect, I just try to have a good balance that I actually enjoy.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of olive oil as a good Spaniard, so everything I I don't cook with butter at all, I cook with olive oil, and that's healthy.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's kind of what we have.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that's that's uh I know you say you're not trying to do any like counting or macros, but it's very clean, right?
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um I asked you knowing part this answer was this, but like that's the life in Spain.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're just eating a lot of whole, nutritious, real food.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and the meal could be huge, but it's healthy, it helps, and that's relevant to how you stay so lean, um, and still lean, you know, and running so fast uh currently.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: So kudos to you and uh for those listening, you know, you can eat a lot, just keep it clean.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, for those listening, I'm I'm 37 years old right now, and like my goal, I will I love running and it's a passion, and now it's a social passion as well.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to be 47 and keep on running, not probably not as fast as now, but like keep on running healthy.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_00: If I want to run five days a week, I would like to keep on doing that.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: And when I'm 57 as well, I think for that it's a long-term investment, and sometimes you just gotta make like small tweaks in your nutrition and habits.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I like I used to be very bad at sleep.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like I eat well, I consider myself someone very healthy when it comes to eat, but I do, I'm trying to fix it now.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm um I do a worse job with the sleep because I eat a little too late as a good Spaniard.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I don't usually get now, I do, but I used to not get as much sleep.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have a bad, uh hard time not looking at screens right before sleep, which makes your sleep lighter and worse.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like I do, I have like a lot of like little habits that I think everyone has, and most people have, but like I could do a better job at resting, but like I do want to, I think I mentioned this to you, like me being lean or looking good or whatever is just like a consequence of what I'm doing, not the reason why I'm having what I'm doing.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I don't, I mean, everyone cares about looking better than worse, right?
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: But like my objective is not I want to be hot, I want to have the perfect body, whatever.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, I I just I eat well, I want to keep on running 10 years, 20 years from now.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: My body is the only thing I have for that, and I want to take care of it.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I I couldn't have said it better, and that's a great point, man.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Similar to you, I want to be running, you know, for the next 20-30 years.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: I see some of these post-60-year-old men, you know, still doing sub threes.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that's the goal.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're not a world.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: They gotta feel great, man.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and obviously less risk to like sick and all that stuff.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that's amazing.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Jaiman, I want to ask you if you could give a tip for speed, endurance, and recovery to the listener, what would those be?
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'm the best person to ask about endurance, huh?
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but no.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're still doing it at 37, so that's endurance.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: Let's start, let's start with endurance because I think the tip for endurance, and it might be a speed tip, but like I this the tip that I would give for endurance runners is don't only focus on endurance.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you want to improve your endurance, you also have to add a little more intensity.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you want to run, I'm making it up, if you want to be able to run eight-minute mile, but you only do eight-minute mile and above, then eight-minute mile is never gonna feel comfortable for you.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_00: So you gotta do shorter reps at seven-minute mile, a six, 30-minute mile, even if it's like for a short period of time, that will enable you to feel more comfortable at eight-minute mile, therefore you will be able to do it, or you would be able to improve.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the people that um run endurance and only do endurance, they feel like they improve, obviously, because you're new at something, and when you're new is you you improve rapidly, but you they don't realize that there's a there's a roof that is not far away from that.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a point where endurance, you gotta do something else to it to improve that, right?
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say the tip for endurance, um intervals and faster reps.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_00: Tip for speed, I would say don't do or speed, I guess if you're if you're calling like like faster, like mile and above, like you don't want to put together or you don't want to like you know bundle together fast trainings.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_00: You want to have because fast trainings are very hard on you.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: People, especially like roadrunners, they think like speed because it's short, it's less than going out for 15 miles.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_00: Try to do 4x400 with as much rest as you want.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's hard on your body.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, like I'll give you an anecdote that I'm I talk too much, but like this friend of mine who has done more than 100 marathons, we did a relay together recently, and as it was a four by 400, and he was like, eh, this is nothing.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: It all it's only 400 meters.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is nothing.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_00: He texts me three days later, is like, man, my arms hurt.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is this normal?
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, Oh, welcome to all out speed.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so he was like, Oh, from now on, I do respect your your speed training.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, my point is is if you want to do speed, like be very conscious about recovery, be very conscious about this the you know, spacing those trainings, and also I would say strength training is super important for everyone, right?
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Not only speed, but strength training is very important for to be faster, but also for injury prevention.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't, what was the third one?
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_01: Recovery.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Recovery, yeah.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I have this friend that always said recovery is a silent training, and it's very true.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like people think because like you do like trainings every day, and if you you you you really don't like overtraining doesn't really come to you overnight.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: Overtraining is a process that one day you're like, man, I'm not hitting these times.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm what's going on?
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's because you're you're perhaps overtrained.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I think recovery, if you're someone that doesn't run a lot or is new to running, you need to have days where you're recovering, go for a walk, you know, active recovery, whatever.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you're someone that trains more on the five days a week side or six days a week, maybe your recovery is go on a light bike ride.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: I do elliptical, for example, as active recovery because it eliminates impact, but you still keep active.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then, man, I'm learning this hard way now, but sleep, sleep, and sleep, man.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sleep is so important.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's so important.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: Something about once you get past the 30s, man, sleep just goes, Oh, okay, you gotta learn this one.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many stressors on life that that make you sleep worse.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: You can't if if on top of that, you want to train hard, like you can't just say, Oh, I'll sleep, I'll sleep six hours.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, you need at least seven.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_00: At least, at least.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: Man, um, this was a great conversation, Jayman.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: I loved it, man.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: For anyone who's been curious on some of the differences of running outside the US, uh, I hope you like this one, man.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: We touched on a lot there.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if you like it, it means a lot.
• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, thank you, Jayman, for being on.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_01: This has been the People Run Podcast.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, keep running, everyone, out there.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, keep taking it insights, and until next time.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me, and uh, it was a pleasure, great chat.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, man.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime, man.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: Hasta pronto, amigos.