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22 Panels Episode #242 - The Seeds · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:00
  Tad Eggleston: Haven't had any yet.
• 0:02
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to 22 Panels, the podcast that aims to discover.
• 0:08
  Tyler Johnson: I forget what it is. Just go.
• 0:10
  Phil: or…
• 0:10
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know. Eg.
• 0:12
  Tad Eggleston: Salmon.
• 0:13
  Tyler Johnson: Examine, explain it.
• 0:15
  Tad Eggleston: Explore and elevate or explore, examine and elevate. It's all ease.
• 0:23
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, ye.
• 0:24
  Phil: Discover, dissect, and deconstruct? I don't know.
• 0:29
  Tyler Johnson: Demonate.
• 0:30
  Phil: Disseminate. There we go. We're publishing.
• 0:33
  Tyler Johnson: Guys, here's the thing. It's been a couple weeks, and I literally did have a brain fart right there. I didn't do that on purpose. Anyway, this is Tyler, and across the interwebs from me.
• 0:44
  Tyler Johnson: is Tad and Phil. Good morning, guys. How are you?
• 0:48
  Phil: I was about to say, you sound like a dentist.
• 0:50
  Tyler Johnson: A what.
• 0:51
  Tad Eggleston: I, I was, I was out at a, South Bend Cubs game last night, and, and…
• 0:59
  Tad Eggleston: And they won by a lot.
• 1:02
  Phil: Mmm.
• 1:03
  Tyler Johnson: So, Salvin is also the Cubs?
• 1:05
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it's their, their high A minor league team.
• 1:09
  Tyler Johnson: Got it, got it.
• 1:11
  Tad Eggleston: Umm.
• 1:13
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, it was it was it was nice to.
• 1:20
  Tad Eggleston: This is my, my,
• 1:22
  Tyler Johnson: Your happy place.
• 1:23
  Tad Eggleston: Well, well, yeah, but it was also, it was also my, my birthday present from my wife was, was,
• 1:32
  Tad Eggleston: a trip out to… to my aunt and uncle's lake house, and… and tickets to the South Bend game, and new baseball cap, because I don't have nearly enough baseball caps.
• 1:44
  Tyler Johnson: Wearing it right now.
• 1:45
  Tad Eggleston: I am. It's my new Ernie Banks baseball cap. Perfect.
• 1:50
  Phil: For those… for those questioning, whether or not Tad actually, does not own enough baseball caps, I've never seen him
• 1:57
  Phil: Not in a baseball cap.
• 1:59
  Tyler Johnson: And not only that, it's mostly a different one every time.
• 2:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about, I was about to say, and how often have you seen me wear the same?
• 2:07
  Phil: I…
• 2:08
  Tyler Johnson: I agree.
• 2:09
  Phil: I've yet to… I don't have a hat tracker for you, but I'm sure it'd be very interesting if I were to start one.
• 2:15
  Tyler Johnson: Guys, when I leave the house, I almost always wear a hat, mostly because my head gets burned really easy, but right now, it's 7.42. I'm, you know, it's not really my thing to wear a hat when I'm at home, but… so you guys don't see me this way, but I am also a big hat person.
• 2:33
  Tyler Johnson: You guys just get the message.
• 2:34
  Phil: Too stressy.
• 2:35
  Tyler Johnson: You get the privilege of seeing me, you know, right out of bed.
• 2:38
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you don't wear.
• 2:39
  Phil: We all hear.
• 2:40
  Tad Eggleston: Store, either.
• 2:41
  Tyler Johnson: What's up?
• 2:43
  Tad Eggleston: You don't wear them at the store either.
• 2:46
  Tyler Johnson: No, I wear hats outside almost only.
• 2:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right, right.
• 2:49
  Tyler Johnson: I just… it's just kind of… I don't know if it was a polite thing, like, my mom would be like, take your hat off in the house.
• 2:56
  Tad Eggleston: Or…
• 2:56
  Tyler Johnson: whatever.
• 2:57
  Tad Eggleston: My grandma used to be like that. And when she was alive, I was slightly better at taking it off certain places.
• 3:04
  Tyler Johnson: So… And foot.
• 3:06
  Tad Eggleston: I'd always feel really uncomfortable.
• 3:08
  Phil: And honestly, I really think that, like, societally, we should allow special dispensation for people who never take their hat off, you know? Like, I…
• 3:17
  Phil: I think it's fine. I think it's fine if you're someone who just never takes their hat off, to not take your hat off when it's considered quote-unquote polite. It's like, sorry.
• 3:25
  Tyler Johnson: Hold on, I've got a non-baseball cap here, let's see, what do you guys think of.
• 3:32
  Phil: Tyler put on a fedora and it is not a 7 a.m. look, that is for sure. You look like you're ready for the nightclubs or to investigate a hot scoop.
• 3:46
  Tyler Johnson: Especially when I got one ear on my,
• 3:48
  Phil: Yes.
• 3:49
  Tyler Johnson: One ear listening to you, Phil, because I, yeah, anyway, wearing a hat.
• 3:54
  Phil: Dj X Factor, coming at you live.
• 3:57
  Tyler Johnson: Take that, X Factor.
• 4:00
  Tyler Johnson: here's the thing, my mom was like that, where we'd come in the house, and she'd be like, boys, take your hats off, please. And that's all she would say. So it just became habit. When I walk in the house, it comes off.
• 4:12
  Tyler Johnson: so, yeah, I don't know. I.
• 4:15
  Tad Eggleston: I get that.
• 4:16
  Tyler Johnson: It's, you know, but yeah, when I leave the house, it's almost always a hat and it's not, not that fedora. I bought that just to see if I, I mean, it was kind of one of those things where you go, Hey, is it time to start wearing a fedora? Nope.
• 4:29
  Phil: Every 20 years, that question rolls back around.
• 4:34
  Tyler Johnson: So I own one, but I have never worn it publicly, so…
• 4:37
  Phil: It's probably for the, let's keep it that.
• 4:41
  Tyler Johnson: I like… I like hats, though. They're fun
• 4:43
  Tyler Johnson: Anywho, I am fine with taking on and off my hat, because it doesn't mess up my hair, right? That would be the thing that I would be most self-conscious of, is whether my hair looked horrible or not.
• 4:56
  Tyler Johnson: You know?
• 4:57
  Phil: Exactly. And to my point.
• 4:59
  Phil: I would rather just keep looking at someone's hat than their…
• 5:03
  Phil: You know, permanent hat hair, you know, it's just.
• 5:06
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, Chad, I can only assume when you go to school, your hair is crazy.
• 5:10
  Tyler Johnson: Because you've got a lot of hair.
• 5:12
  Tad Eggleston: You're you're assuming I take off the cap at school.
• 5:14
  Phil: That's what I was about to say. I assume he has the cap on through school.
• 5:18
  Tyler Johnson: You get to. Oh, that sucks. That sucks. My whole school career, student and teaching with no hats. But then again.
• 5:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, as a student, I wasn't allowed to wear a hat, but I am allowed to wear it now.
• 5:33
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, that's crazy. That's awesome. That's awesome. But I'm jealous.
• 5:37
  Phil: Yes.
• 5:39
  Tyler Johnson: Alright guys, let's talk about some comic book stuff.
• 5:43
  Tyler Johnson: We've gone off on a hat.
• 5:45
  Tyler Johnson: Rant, which is fine. It's cool.
• 5:48
  Phil: Our first haberdasher tangent? I don't know.
• 5:52
  Tyler Johnson: I love it. So what's Ignition Day? I don't even know what this is.
• 5:59
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, Ignition is a publisher. How do you not know Ignition?
• 6:03
  Phil: Well, he d Mission day.
• 6:05
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, I read it wrong.
• 6:06
  Tad Eggleston: Day and date. Got it.
• 6:08
  Tyler Johnson: Right, right.
• 6:09
  Tad Eggleston: Sweet, Sweet Shop is, is,
• 6:13
  Tad Eggleston: Sweet Chap is one of the, the… The three major players for.
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: digital comics right now. Okay. And, and, and currently, I mean, it's, it's mostly in beta.
• 6:30
  Tad Eggleston: So it's not… you can get on the list to be a, you know, have beta access. It's not 100% available to everybody yet. No.
• 6:41
  Tyler Johnson: I'm looking it up right now, and you can get on the early access waiting list.
• 6:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 6:46
  Tyler Johnson: Looks cool.
• 6:48
  Tad Eggleston: I already have in, I just, I forget if they have an Android app, or whether they're only Apple right now.
• 6:57
  Tyler Johnson: I… I know what Ignition is, the publisher. I thought it said Ignition Day, and I'm like, oh, that's weird, what's Ign.
• 7:03
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, but their comics are now available.
• 7:09
  Tad Eggleston: That's pretty sweet. On release day.
• 7:11
  Phil: Last time I.
• 7:12
  Tad Eggleston: Literally through Sweet Shop.
• 7:13
  Phil: Sweet Shop, most of what I saw on there was image stuff, so…
• 7:18
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and they were the first ones to get images.
• 7:20
  Phil: Okay.
• 7:21
  Tad Eggleston: Indeed.
• 7:22
  Phil: Okay.
• 7:22
  Tyler Johnson: There's more now. I'm looking at it right now. Mad Cave, Panic Entertainment, Oni, White something, White Ash Comics, IDW, Invader Comics, Manga Mavericks, Devil's Due, Fantagraphics. Let's see who else they got here.
• 7:41
  Tyler Johnson: Living the Line, Avery Hill, Ablaze, of course, Ignition, Silver Sprocket, Good Trouble Comics.
• 7:50
  Phil: Oh, it's a lot of.
• 7:51
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, it is a lot. Dark horse?
• 7:53
  Tad Eggleston: Well, they had a number of these signed on before they… they had even… Gone live, so,
• 8:07
  Tad Eggleston: I I I don't. I don't know where.
• 8:11
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know when you must have looked to not see… A decent amount of it?
• 8:17
  Phil: It was months ago. It was a while ago, and I definitely did not explore super hard. I mostly looked at the, like.
• 8:23
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 8:24
  Phil: Flashy advertisements at the time.
• 8:27
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Cause, like, they had Image signed on before they launched.
• 8:32
  Phil: Oh.
• 8:33
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 8:37
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah. You know, it's just… I don't think Ignition had been… I mean, it had been available digitally through SweetShop already, but… but…
• 8:48
  Tad Eggleston: because it wasn't day and date, it was…
• 8:53
  Tad Eggleston: It was more of a, it was available, some of it was available, like when, when they go day and date.
• 9:03
  Tad Eggleston: it essentially means that you have everything when it comes out. I mean, I'm even okay when it winds up being things like, like,
• 9:16
  Tad Eggleston: When there's, like, a specific moratorium.
• 9:19
  Tad Eggleston: You know, like, you get things a week later. Where it's annoying is when you don't know when it's coming out. Right.
• 9:28
  Tad Eggleston: And there there previously there hadn't been.
• 9:32
  Tad Eggleston: Hadn't been a clear timeline on a lot of stuff.
• 9:36
  Tad Eggleston: or on things from ignition.
• 9:40
  Tad Eggleston: So, so yeah, it's, it's cool that they're, I mean, I kind of hope that we continue having multiple platforms. What I really, really hope is that at some point you buy it one place and you can read it any place.
• 9:53
  Phil: Oh.
• 9:55
  Phil: That would be pretty snazzy, but
• 9:57
  Tad Eggleston: Thank you.
• 9:58
  Phil: Hmmm.
• 10:00
  Tad Eggleston: Because then it would be a lot more like a real comic, and it would maintain a level where the platforms had to compete with each other.
• 10:12
  Tyler Johnson: The early… the early…
• 10:13
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than trying to just knock something out.
• 10:16
  Tyler Johnson: You know, before we had streaming music, we had to download each individual
• 10:22
  Tyler Johnson: track, essentially. Right. And you could play those on multiple types of things. They were MP3, so all you had to find was an MP3 player. Right.
• 10:33
  Tad Eggleston: they started doing digital rights management.
• 10:35
  Tyler Johnson: Yes. Yep.
• 10:37
  Tyler Johnson: And so, well, but these.
• 10:38
  Tad Eggleston: already have digital rights management.
• 10:40
  Tyler Johnson: I know, I'm just saying that it.
• 10:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:42
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna go back to multi-platform.
• 10:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but it's also like because of a lawsuit.
• 10:49
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you, you have the, the, the movies anywhere where.
• 10:55
  Tad Eggleston: where… you know, movies you purchased are available across.
• 11:05
  Tad Eggleston: Platforms.
• 11:06
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 11:07
  Tad Eggleston: does. Though I wonder if Amazon is now getting away with not contributing to that, because if you look at… when you buy a digital thing through Amazon now, it specifically says you're buying a license to blah blah blah.
• 11:21
  Phil: Thank you.
• 11:22
  Tad Eggleston: Umm.
• 11:23
  Tad Eggleston: But like, again, like, I, I think, I think it's good for.
• 11:28
  Tad Eggleston: Business, and will, in the long run, be good for even these businesses, if rather than competing to knock each other out, they're just competing for customers.
• 11:40
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, yep.
• 11:41
  Tad Eggleston: That that that might go Multiple directions, and back and forth, and, like… R- rather than competing for
• 11:51
  Tad Eggleston: All of your business, they're competing for what chunk of your business they can get, I think.
• 11:56
  Tad Eggleston: Would be more sustainable.
• 11:59
  Tad Eggleston: Then… then another comixology rules the world.
• 12:04
  Tad Eggleston: And then gets bought by some big company and then shitified.
• 12:08
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, of.
• 12:09
  Tad Eggleston: You know. Yep.
• 12:11
  Tad Eggleston: So we'll see but but it's it's been it's been interesting to watch
• 12:17
  Tad Eggleston: Also really cool…
• 12:19
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly because… because they'd had to go to Kickstarter for Volume 3, because Dark Horse hadn't…
• 12:26
  Tad Eggleston: hadn't wanted to publish it, Kyle Starks and Peter Kowalski's Where Monsters Lie Omnibus is… is going to be coming out from Dark Horse, and it will include
• 12:38
  Tad Eggleston: Volume 3.
• 12:40
  Tad Eggleston: So, it's not quite the Wilco getting dumped by their record label, only to…
• 12:49
  Tad Eggleston: release their album free online, drum up so… so much… so much publicity that a subsidiary of their record label buys them back.
• 13:03
  Tad Eggleston: We'll go sold Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, too.
• 13:08
  Tad Eggleston: To Warner Brothers, essentially, twice. Warner Brothers paid for it, decided not to release it.
• 13:14
  Tad Eggleston: But then none such was Warner Brothers owned, came and paid for it again.
• 13:20
  Tad Eggleston: to release it.
• 13:22
  Tad Eggleston: Because, you know.
• 13:23
  Tad Eggleston: That's how it works sometimes.
• 13:26
  Tad Eggleston: And man, whoever at Warner Brothers decided that Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was not an album worth putting out… God.
• 13:34
  Tad Eggleston: Fucking morons.
• 13:38
  Tad Eggleston: He's just nodding. He's like, I like my music louder and less understandable. Yep, that's pretty much it. That's pretty much it.
• 13:46
  Phil: Spiritual format. There's some Wilco that just came on on my phone. It's because I resort to algorithmically finding music so rarely. Every once in a while, I'm like, you think I like this? And Wilco was kind of one of those. Although I have listened to.
• 14:03
  Phil: Billy Bragg and Wilco, because I grew up listening to a lot of B.
• 14:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I like Billy Bragg and Wilco, but I fucking love Wilco. That's OK. Of course I'm.
• 14:12
  Phil: They do, they really do.
• 14:13
  Tad Eggleston: I'm from Chicagoland, so it's, it's like.
• 14:16
  Phil: They're one of.
• 14:18
  Tad Eggleston: It's kind of like being from Minnesota, you're just required to love prints.
• 14:24
  Phil: Correct Well, I think everyone.
• 14:26
  Tad Eggleston: It's not an option.
• 14:27
  Phil: Difference.
• 14:28
  Tyler Johnson: I agree.
• 14:29
  Phil: Yeah.
• 14:30
  Tyler Johnson: Phil, we have…
• 14:31
  Tad Eggleston: Minnesota?
• 14:32
  Phil: It's an extra.
• 14:33
  Tad Eggleston: It's just, it's like an injection at birth.
• 14:36
  Tyler Johnson: Also, northern Minnesota, where Bob Dylan was born, up there in Duluth, it's all Bob Dylan shit. Right. Same thing.
• 14:45
  Phil: Does everyone talk like him? Is it like you walk into a shop and everyone's like, yeah, how's how, how are you?
• 14:50
  Tyler Johnson: No, but.
• 14:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I was in Duluth recently, so no.
• 14:54
  Tyler Johnson: No, but yeah, Prince though, I mean, like, yes, it is a very big thing here. Like, especially like First Ave, which was his club in the Twin Cities. It's really popular right now because it's Prince's club, you know?
• 15:11
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's just, like, yeah. Prince… Prince is the god of Minnesota.
• 15:16
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 15:17
  Tad Eggleston: And yes, he did exist.
• 15:18
  Tad Eggleston: There's… there's evidence.
• 15:21
  Phil: Yes.
• 15:22
  Phil: Yes. I actually…
• 15:24
  Tad Eggleston: A couple things I love about Prince,
• 15:28
  Tad Eggleston: Ca- ca- cause I, I like.
• 15:32
  Tad Eggleston: And I already knew this about him, but I've come across a couple more examples of it.
• 15:40
  Tad Eggleston: Recently, like, aside from just being, like, a ridiculous musician.
• 15:47
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, one of the great examples of that is he felt snubbed by Rolling Stone because they hadn't listed him among the top 100 guitarists.
• 15:59
  Phil: Cool.
• 16:00
  Tad Eggleston: Of of all time.
• 16:01
  Tad Eggleston: and he was part of the group.
• 16:07
  Tad Eggleston: Playing.
• 16:09
  Tad Eggleston: While my guitar gently weeps…
• 16:12
  Tad Eggleston: In a George Harrison tribute at, at.
• 16:17
  Tad Eggleston: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, with a couple of guitarists who were considered top 100.
• 16:23
  Phil: Mmh.
• 16:24
  Tad Eggleston: And, and with Jan Winner, who was the, the.
• 16:28
  Tad Eggleston: The editor of Rolling Stone and therefore, you know.
• 16:31
  Tad Eggleston: And like, go watch the YouTube of that, like, he.
• 16:36
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 16:38
  Tad Eggleston: And apparently, like, like I found an oral history of it, apparently, like, he hadn't really participated a ton in, in practice.
• 16:47
  Tad Eggleston: In rehearsals and whatnot, so, like, there were only a few people who knew what was gonna happen, and clearly, because, like, there was a point where he just threw his guitar, and, and, you know, it got caught.
• 17:00
  Tad Eggleston: In the rafters and just never came down.
• 17:03
  Tad Eggleston: You know, that sort of thing.
• 17:07
  Tad Eggleston: But,
• 17:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he, he, he did the total mic drop shred.
• 17:14
  Tad Eggleston: Destroyed everybody.
• 17:17
  Tad Eggleston: Love that Right.
• 17:20
  Tad Eggleston: But, also… Like, when he, he played the Super Bowl, which is like, a short.
• 17:30
  Tad Eggleston: Short enough that it's like generally, I mean, first of all, like.
• 17:34
  Tad Eggleston: Watch his Super Bowl half-time show, hands down, the best Super Bowl, except for possibly this recent Bad Bunny one. Like, this is the first… Bad Bunny is the first time that there's one that I even feel like is in the discussion.
• 17:50
  Tyler Johnson: We're.
• 17:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Right.
• 17:52
  Tyler Johnson: I see.
• 17:52
  Tad Eggleston: He had a tight, like, 15-minute set, it was starting to rain, and he managed to, like, just work that into it.
• 18:01
  Phil: Oh.
• 18:02
  Tad Eggleston: But also, like.
• 18:05
  Tad Eggleston: Decided to do covers for no apparent reason.
• 18:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, there was… there's no reason to do it. But not just, like, classic covers, because he did, like, All Along the Watchtower and a couple other… but he also did Foo Fighters Best of You.
• 18:18
  Tyler Johnson: Cool.
• 18:18
  Phil: We do.
• 18:20
  Tad Eggleston: In his medley.
• 18:22
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, guys, let's keep going. Right. We are, we are,
• 18:26
  Tad Eggleston: We're, we're, well.
• 18:27
  Phil: Until we have the Prince comic biopic.
• 18:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well, there is one. Plus there's Minneapolis sound sound that Joe Illich wrote and his talk.
• 18:36
  Phil: Rocket.
• 18:37
  Tad Eggleston: That involves,
• 18:39
  Phil: Okay.
• 18:40
  Tad Eggleston: Prince, Prince. But no, the other thing that I was gonna bring up before I fell completely off my tangent is I came across a Letterman channel that has a lot of
• 18:54
  Tad Eggleston: Letterman music performances, Letterman interviews and whatnot, like…
• 19:00
  Tyler Johnson: Everything from Letterman was awesome, except for his, you know, weird affair with somebody on the set.
• 19:07
  Tad Eggleston: Right, but, but anyway, prince came on and played a song.
• 19:14
  Tad Eggleston: that, that, like, Letterman's holding up the CD before announcing it, and he's like, which, which he told me they don't plan on releasing, so I don't know why they're here, but okay.
• 19:27
  Phil: Thank you.
• 19:27
  Tad Eggleston: We don't turn down prints!
• 19:30
  Phil: Right? That's funny.
• 19:31
  Tad Eggleston: And apparently it did get released like exactly one year later. Oh, funny. That's funny. Just like, yeah, he did things his way and he was like.
• 19:45
  Tad Eggleston: Super cool, multiple, multi-instru- I mean, like, just one of the great users of Spotify.
• 19:50
  Phil: Would donate money anonymously to schools and stuff like that. Yeah, he sounded like a really great dad. Really great guy.
• 19:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. So anyway.
• 20:00
  Tyler Johnson: Did you guys ever make it a thing, Tad, you might more than feel, that you had to tune in to Letterman when he had a band you liked on?
• 20:08
  Phil: I've never been really a late night show.
• 20:11
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 20:12
  Tyler Johnson: I did.
• 20:12
  Tad Eggleston: Some. We're enough older that late night was actually like.
• 20:17
  Tad Eggleston: I agree.
• 20:18
  Phil: Cold still.
• 20:18
  Tad Eggleston: You've done… well, you've done a ton… well, it's still kind of original, but as soon as it's on YouTube, you don't have to tune in.
• 20:26
  Phil: I said a ritual.
• 20:28
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:30
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, because I watched… because here's the thing, when I was younger, I stayed up later, so I watched Letterman every night at 10, right? And then Friday nights, he would have bands that I liked. And so I really did pay attention to who was on Letterman that week, because…
• 20:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right, the other thing…
• 20:47
  Tyler Johnson: SNL as well.
• 20:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, the other thing I discovered from from just doing stuff on the Letterman channel, like one of the most famous moments of.
• 20:58
  Tad Eggleston: From a Pearl Jam fan perspective.
• 21:02
  Tad Eggleston: Is like Eddie coming out of nowhere as, as, as Dave is, is like, like his band is playing just the, the, the.
• 21:15
  Tad Eggleston: The chorus of… Black and, and, and Dave is just going, why, why, and then Eddie Vedder walks out.
• 21:26
  Tad Eggleston: And does that part and then you're just like Holds it a ridiculously.
• 21:32
  Tad Eggleston: Long time, you know, the note that, and then walks out. What I hadn't realized until I saw the clip on the Letterman site is
• 21:42
  Tad Eggleston: Letterman had been doing that.
• 21:46
  Tad Eggleston: for months.
• 21:48
  Tad Eggleston: and telling Paul Schaefer, we gotta get Eddie on, you know, I love this song, you know.
• 21:56
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, like, when it happened, it wasn't like he'd made a one-off, oh, I wish I could, I could see Eddie Vedder, or it wasn't the inside joke coming up on the air. It had been an on-air thing.
• 22:09
  Tad Eggleston: four months. Wow. With him going, why? Why? You know, like, what I'd previously only seen is, like, a minute and a half video, because that's how long it was with Eddie involved.
• 22:23
  Tad Eggleston: on Letterman is, like, a seven-and-a-half-minute video, and it's six minutes that involve, like, various times over time before Eddie shows up with Paul and… and…
• 22:34
  Tad Eggleston: and David talking about that one song, and David badly singing it, and…
• 22:42
  Tad Eggleston: And that was kind of a cool thing. What kind of week has it been? Well, on the funny side.
• 22:49
  Tyler Johnson: I don't think we talked.
• 22:50
  Tad Eggleston: Dam.
• 22:51
  Tyler Johnson: Starks. Chad, I don't think we talked.
• 22:53
  Phil: No, he did.
• 22:54
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 22:54
  Phil: He did!
• 22:55
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, sorry, I missed… I must have missed that.
• 22:58
  Phil: That's what spun up this whole tangent of, of, of, that led us to Wilco, that led us to Prince, that led us to Vetter.
• 23:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:05
  Phil: Oh, now we're on to what week is… what kind.
• 23:07
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, I'm sorry, I thought it was all tied into the Ignition thing, and…
• 23:12
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no.
• 23:13
  Tyler Johnson: I'.
• 23:13
  Tad Eggleston: What does Ignition have to do with Wilco's album being bought twice?
• 23:19
  Phil: Was.
• 23:20
  Tyler Johnson: No, no offense, Tad, but what did any of that have to do with any notes?
• 23:24
  Phil: Well, I'm.
• 23:25
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I can draw you the strip. I'm sure you can.
• 23:29
  Tyler Johnson: That's okay, I want to keep going. Isn't Ign.
• 23:32
  Phil: a Pearl Jam song or album or something like that? I'm thinking. Sorry, that's that's gonna. No.
• 23:38
  Tyler Johnson: I know. Okay.
• 23:39
  Phil: Oh.
• 23:39
  Tad Eggleston: In fact, I think it is an album, but it's not from somebody we want to, like…
• 23:46
  Phil: Oh, I don't… I don't care about anyone other than Pearl Jam for that joke. That's okay, we can worry about what kind.
• 23:52
  Tad Eggleston: No, it's a very famous song from somebody who's currently in prison.
• 23:58
  Phil: Oh, lovely. Okay, I'll I'll try not to.
• 24:02
  Phil: Google that.
• 24:06
  Tad Eggleston: Probably his only more famous song involves him being trapped in a closet.
• 24:11
  Phil: I didn't realize it was in print. Okay.
• 24:16
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 24:16
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, what kind of weeks has it been?
• 24:19
  Tad Eggleston: We want the funny part or the, or the, or the fucked up.
• 24:22
  Phil: Oh.
• 24:22
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the funny part is just everything going on with our Strait of Green Ooze.
• 24:29
  Tyler Johnson: Greetings.
• 24:30
  Phil: Do we have Ninja Turtles deployed in Iran right now? Is that why it's a Strait of Green O.
• 24:35
  Tad Eggleston: No, it's not about… it's not… it's not Iran, it's the reflection… the ref…
• 24:40
  Phil: Oh, that Lincoln Memorial. There we go.
• 24:44
  Phil: Nice! Okay, okay. That is clever. That is very clever.
• 24:47
  Tad Eggleston: I wish I could take credit for it. I forget, I forget who got that going.
• 24:51
  Phil: No, that's good. That's really I mean… I do like that.
• 24:55
  Tyler Johnson: This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard, as far as, like, how his actions have destroyed the water, and then all of.
• 25:04
  Phil: Wow.
• 25:04
  Tyler Johnson: And then all these crazy, accusations against the left, out to, out to, make him look bad.
• 25:13
  Tad Eggleston: Two things that need to be pointed out.
• 25:16
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 25:18
  Tad Eggleston: Like he's come up with this idea that somebody took a knife or a box cutter and cut a 300 foot or 350 foot section of it. But but go back a month to when he's talking about it and he talks about how what the stuff they're putting on is so strong and so good that you can't even cut it with a knife.
• 25:39
  Tad Eggleston: Wow. You need a box cutter for that.
• 25:41
  Tad Eggleston: So the only person who's talked about a knife is him to begin with and and originally it was how you couldn't cut it with a knife but second there are like
• 25:51
  Tad Eggleston: there's at least one Blue Sky account from somebody who, like, does this shit for a living, that… that a month ago, before water was put back in, was looking at what was being put in.
• 26:06
  Tad Eggleston: Researching the supplies they were using, etc, and predicted what was going to happen exactly, and explained why.
• 26:16
  Phil: Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
• 26:18
  Tad Eggleston: It's almost like people who deal with big fountains.
• 26:23
  Tad Eggleston: Knew better than the pool guy who also donated $300,000 to.
• 26:31
  Phil: Oh.
• 26:31
  Tad Eggleston: campaign.
• 26:32
  Phil: The Mar-a-Lag.
• 26:33
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, one has.
• 26:34
  Phil: Mobster.
• 26:35
  Tad Eggleston: One does have to say that's a hell of a return on your investment. $300,000 to the campaign for a $14 million no bid contract.
• 26:46
  Phil: Yep.
• 26:47
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 26:48
  Phil: Yep, wow.
• 26:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's… That's like…
• 26:52
  Phil: It's… I am… I am… I am… I, I…
• 26:57
  Tad Eggleston: That that's a that's a a 52,000%
• 27:03
  Phil: I'm even, I'm even
• 27:04
  Phil: Oh, math can't even make this better. I… I am… I am just, like, shorting out right now at just the blatant…
• 27:12
  Phil: corruption on display. It's almost like one of these, you know, I just, I…
• 27:18
  Phil: I struggle to fathom it. I struggle to fathom just, like.
• 27:22
  Phil: I mean, I know it's been going.
• 27:24
  Tad Eggleston: They.
• 27:24
  Phil: for, like.
• 27:25
  Tad Eggleston: See, here's the thing, though.
• 27:27
  Tad Eggleston: And this… and this plays into…
• 27:30
  Phil: -H.
• 27:30
  Tad Eggleston: Our other, what kind of week has it been? Huh.
• 27:34
  Tad Eggleston: It's not corruption if you're a Republican.
• 27:39
  Phil: Oh, okay. Okay.
• 27:42
  Tad Eggleston: Republicans aren't corrupt.
• 27:44
  Tyler Johnson: Oh no.
• 27:45
  Phil: Really?
• 27:46
  Phil: Is the sarcasm thick enough? That's the question.
• 27:49
  Tad Eggleston: If, if Republicans do it.
• 27:52
  Phil: You did.
• 27:53
  Tad Eggleston: right way. It's fine.
• 27:55
  Tyler Johnson: It's fine if they do it.
• 27:57
  Phil: It's they're they're going full Nixon as a party.
• 28:01
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, no. Nixon knew he was doing wrong.
• 28:03
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my god, they are… I'm thinking of…
• 28:06
  Phil: Thank you very.
• 28:07
  Tad Eggleston: So far beyond what Nixon had even hoped for. Correct.
• 28:12
  Phil: I still remember back in his first term, Trump was referred to as more Nixon than Nixon, you know?
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, and and and now we're.
• 28:21
  Phil: Now we're in… in this fucking mess. Which, by the way, the… the… what I… what kind of week has it been that I thought you were gonna mention was, how Spencer Ackerman very, very quickly predicted the, quote-unquote.
• 28:37
  Phil: Peace Treaty signed last week was not actually bad.
• 28:41
  Tad Eggleston: I mean that.
• 28:41
  Phil: And, and, yeah, very, very quickly turned back into.
• 28:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and by the way, like, even if we'd had the peace treaty, it was essentially…
• 28:51
  Tad Eggleston: Their unconditional surrender was, we keep our nuclear materials. We still promise not to make a bomb, but there's no oversight.
• 29:02
  Phil: Cheers.
• 29:02
  Tad Eggleston: By the way, they promised not to make a bomb, like, 40 years ago, so that hasn't, like, changed, right? Yeah. We promise we're not making a bomb, but no oversight. We get to keep our missiles. Trump's even… even…
• 29:17
  Tad Eggleston: even justified that. Well, you can't let Arabia have missiles, and, you know, they gotta be able to defend themselves. We get to keep our missiles. The Strait of Hormuz is ours.
• 29:30
  Tad Eggleston: And you're going to give us a.
• 29:34
  Tad Eggleston: boatload of money.
• 29:36
  Phil: Yeah, and…
• 29:37
  Tad Eggleston: That is MAGA for Unconditional.
• 29:40
  Phil: Yes.
• 29:41
  Tad Eggleston: Sur.
• 29:41
  Phil: And that's where I'm… I am just…
• 29:44
  Phil: I'm also irritated at all the political cartoonists who are making jokes like, oh, Trump is just bringing back the Obama deal that he killed, and it's like, no, this is significantly worse!
• 29:55
  Phil: This is…
• 29:57
  Tad Eggleston: No, e.
• 29:57
  Phil: So much information.
• 29:59
  Tad Eggleston: If he brought back the Obama deal.
• 30:01
  Phil: Hu.
• 30:01
  Tad Eggleston: It would…
• 30:02
  Phil: It would be.
• 30:02
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't seen enough of these cartoons to know, like, whether there's… because cartoonists sometimes, like, try to hide some of the subtext, you know, like, is it putting lipstick on the pig of the Obama deal that he used to think
• 30:21
  Tad Eggleston: Was was terrible. Is it? Is it like you? You know that there's so many.
• 30:28
  Tad Eggleston: So many ways that you could go with that.
• 30:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But yeah, no, SCOTUS this week,
• 30:36
  Tad Eggleston: decided that like a Hawaii law that said you couldn't bring a gun onto private property without permission of the property owner was unconstitutional.
• 30:51
  Tad Eggleston: It… it decided that… They could…
• 31:03
  Tad Eggleston: revoke temporary protected status on Haitians and… and other stuff, because
• 31:10
  Tad Eggleston: Because none of their reasons were racist at all, and you know this because… because in the opinion saying that none of their reasons were racist, and that they'd reviewed the…
• 31:23
  Tad Eggleston: the… the statements made by the President and Kristi Noem and whatnot, and none of them were racist, and this was colorblind, they… they did not actually quote any of…
• 31:36
  Tad Eggleston: the things.
• 31:38
  Phil: Mmm.
• 31:41
  Tad Eggleston: Which… Which Justice Sotomayor might have called Alito out on from the bench.
• 31:48
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm hmm hmm.
• 31:51
  Tad Eggleston: Which led to… Most people believe the first ever.
• 31:57
  Tad Eggleston: On-bench rebuttal of a… of a dissent.
• 32:04
  Tad Eggleston: The thin skin Alito had trouble and of course.
• 32:08
  Tad Eggleston: Mind you.
• 32:09
  Tad Eggleston: In his concurrence.
• 32:12
  Tad Eggleston: to either this one or the other one, and, like, the other… there was another immigration-type one that was equally bad. But in… in… in his concurrence.
• 32:24
  Tad Eggleston: Justice Thomas made it very, very clear.
• 32:29
  Tad Eggleston: That he would have gone farther.
• 32:32
  Phil: Wow.
• 32:35
  Tad Eggleston: Just so everybody knows.
• 32:37
  Tyler Johnson: That's crazy.
• 32:38
  Tad Eggleston: They still haven't announced their opinion on birthright citizenship.
• 32:44
  Tad Eggleston: I… I am fearing that they're trying to find some way to… to…
• 32:50
  Tad Eggleston: to declare unconstitutional the words in the Constitution.
• 32:58
  Tad Eggleston: Let's say anyone born.
• 33:01
  Tad Eggleston: In the United States!
• 33:06
  Phil: Yeah, that is something else. All right.
• 33:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the… the… the conventional wisdom is that that will be the one that they… they give… give Trump a… a… a loss on, and… and that…
• 33:19
  Tad Eggleston: that they're saving it for last, so that everybody doing their Supreme Court write-ups, like, ignores all of the other shitty decisions to say, see, they're… they're…
• 33:30
  Tad Eggleston: Artisan.
• 33:32
  Tad Eggleston: They didn't, they didn't rule against this.
• 33:36
  Phil: I just…
• 33:37
  Tad Eggleston: Literally.
• 33:38
  Tad Eggleston: word-for-word unconstitutional thing. This is where I will toss out that the, Joy, Resistance, Hope, and Survival book club this month is Constitution Illustrated. You should join in, anybody and everybody, go read yourself a copy.
• 33:55
  Tad Eggleston: Check out R. Sikoriak's amazing art and, and, and, Declaration of Emancipation Illustrated comes out on Wednesday.
• 34:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Let's get to New to Order Comics, because I took up enough time with the, the, the, the prints…
• 34:12
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 34:13
  Tad Eggleston: Let me give you the through line. It was… it was…
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: it was… if you're from Chicago, you have to like Wilco, which led to… if you're from Minnesota, you have to like Prince.
• 34:26
  Tyler Johnson: Mmhm.
• 34:28
  Tad Eggleston: And Wilco came up because Dark Horse is now printing the thing that they wouldn't print just like Warner Brothers dumped Wilco.
• 34:37
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, Chad.
• 34:38
  Tad Eggleston: And then bottom.
• 34:38
  Tyler Johnson: So can we please move on?
• 34:42
  Tyler Johnson: I'm not trying to be rude, but I have to keep us going, man. I totally get it.
• 34:50
  Tad Eggleston: You said you didn't know where it came from.
• 34:53
  Tyler Johnson: It's…
• 34:54
  Tad Eggleston: You haven't.
• 34:55
  Tyler Johnson: said that. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Tad Eggleston: I was going to say, you haven't learned yet that I have to respond to things.
• 35:01
  Phil: We're into comics. We're back to.
• 35:03
  Tad Eggleston: New to order this month, initial orders due July 23rd. I'm gonna do three in a row, baby.
• 35:09
  Tyler Johnson: There you go.
• 35:10
  Tad Eggleston: to shut up for a little bit. Batman Bad Seeds Gotham Central number one from Christopher Cantwell and Jacob Phillips.
• 35:19
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cut off of August 17th in store September 9th. The killer is on the loose. Someone is stalking Arkham Tower's Dr. Zeller. The subways are out of control and anarchies just pulled a big time heist with Vandal Savage diverting the GCPD's resources to a single-minded war against the bats and the bat family.
• 35:40
  Tad Eggleston: trying to stop Poison Ivy while evading the GCPD, there's almost no one left to do actual police work. Looks like officers Gordon and Espinoza have their work cut out for them.
• 35:53
  Tad Eggleston: Again, final order cut off of August 17th in store September 9th. Also final order cut off of August 17th in store September 9th is Batman Bad Seeds Gotham Central number one.
• 36:06
  Phil: General.
• 36:06
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry, Gotham General, number one. I said Gotham Central because Greg Rucka had previously done Gotham Central. Gotham General, number one, from Greg Rucka and Rosa Ekedal. Welcome to…
• 36:20
  Tad Eggleston: General Gotham City's tier one trauma center. Power is out, fires are burning, transpo is shot, and the calls just keep coming. There are more patients than beds, half presenting with respiratory complications, the other half suffering hallucinogenic psychotic episodes in every other emergency department.
• 36:39
  Tad Eggleston: This would be a catastrophe for Dr. Ava Dastur and the men and women working at General.
• 36:45
  Tad Eggleston: It's a Tuesday.
• 36:49
  Tad Eggleston: And finally, Batman, Superman, Weird Al.
• 36:53
  Tad Eggleston: World's Weirdest, number one from Mark Wade, Weird Al Yankovic, and Dan Schoning. The fifth dimension is being hit with an affliction that burns everything dull and ordinary, but is mi-ci-plick?
• 37:10
  Tad Eggleston: reaches.
• 37:12
  Tad Eggleston: out to Superman and Batman for help, the same plague has hit Earth. There's only one person to call.
• 37:18
  Tad Eggleston: Weird Al.
• 37:21
  Phil: If Weird Al doesn't say his name backwards by the end of the issue.
• 37:24
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 37:25
  Tad Eggleston: Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.
• 37:28
  Tyler Johnson: How do you pronounce… mixuplix? What? How do you pr.
• 37:31
  Phil: I've always gone with Mitchell Pitlick, something like that.
• 37:34
  Tad Eggleston: I think it is mixes mix.
• 37:39
  Tad Eggleston: Is… Pitlick.
• 37:40
  Phil: Well, we run out of, we run.
• 37:42
  Tad Eggleston: I think you actually… I think you actually pronounce… I think you actually pretend there's an I.
• 37:49
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 37:49
  Tad Eggleston: There needs to be a vowel.
• 37:51
  Tyler Johnson: I've always pronounced it Mixalpix, but, or Mixalpix, but I don'.
• 37:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Tyler Johnson: I don't have a clue, so yeah.
• 37:57
  Phil: The joy of comics being non-verbal.
• 37:59
  Tad Eggleston: Mixes zip.
• 38:01
  Tyler Johnson: If you were a literary, right, if you're writing, why would you create a name that everybody on Earth is going, how do you say that?
• 38:09
  Phil: Well, it becomes a sight word.
• 38:11
  Tyler Johnson: I guess.
• 38:12
  Tad Eggleston: And also because… because, like… It's it like it goes with the character.
• 38:20
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 38:21
  Tad Eggleston: If you can't say it forwards, saying it backwards is really…
• 38:25
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 38:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, okay.
• 38:28
  Tyler Johnson: I just miss the days where they would, like, name somebody, like, overly obvious names, like, the Riddler, he tells riddles, you know?
• 38:36
  Phil: I don't see who!
• 38:38
  Tyler Johnson: Who does he know?
• 38:41
  Tyler Johnson: Or the penguin, he looks like a penguin, you know?
• 38:45
  Tad Eggleston: Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.
• 38:48
  Tyler Johnson: Alright. That's awesome, though. Batman and Weird Al. Alright, Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees Halloween Special.
• 38:56
  Tyler Johnson: From Patrick Horvath
• 38:58
  Tyler Johnson: Patrick Horvath joins forces with James Tynion IV, Tony Fleeks, Che Grayson, Dave Wachter, Jared Cullum, Tyler Boss, and Matt Emmons for an original one-shot set in the world of Beneath the Trees, where nobody sees. Years have passed since Samantha Strong left Woodbrook.
• 39:15
  Tyler Johnson: But her legend has only grown. Now that the cat is out of the bag, more and more horrific murders have been tied back to her. Some are doing, some are her doing, others mere folklore, but all absolutely gripping stories, featuring everyone's favorite cuddly serial killer.
• 39:34
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cut off will be August 31st, and this will be in shops October 7th.
• 39:43
  Tyler Johnson: Looks good. My next one, oh, I've got two in a row. Dinner date, from Joanne Slater, or Stero.
• 39:51
  Tad Eggleston: Dare. Yeah.
• 39:51
  Tyler Johnson: Terror, and Kiri Randolph from Ignition.
• 39:55
  Tad Eggleston: Kari as in Atari.
• 39:57
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, Kari Randolph.
• 39:59
  Tyler Johnson: Modern dating is rough. No one likes being on the apps, but it's not much easier meeting people in real life, especially when they might turn into a vampire without warning. This is exactly what happened to Sid.
• 40:12
  Tyler Johnson: She was only trying to get over her toxic ex, whom she may still drunkenly text from time to time, not looking to have her life totally changed. She thought finding the right guy before was hard, but now she has an unquenchable thirst for blood. Her dating pool has suddenly become her food chain.
• 40:31
  Tyler Johnson: Meanwhile, Izzy has been trying to make her dreams a reality in the Big Apple.
• 40:36
  Tyler Johnson: Though right now, she's part of the gig economy, working as a rideshare driver.
• 40:41
  Tyler Johnson: When Sid ends up in the back of Izzy's car, there is an instant connection. Is this love at first sight, or will it all end with one bite? Final order cutoff is August 31st, and this'll be in stores October 7th.
• 40:59
  Tyler Johnson: Holy buckets! I got 3 in a row.
• 41:01
  Phil: We're doing block scheduling now.
• 41:03
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, okay.
• 41:04
  Phil: Okay.
• 41:05
  Tyler Johnson: My next one, EC, Cruel Kingdom, volume two, number one, from, David Boor, Ryan Kelly.
• 41:14
  Tyler Johnson: Always remember, heavy is the head that wears the crown, unless the king is about to get it lopped off.
• 41:20
  Tyler Johnson: Welcome, traveler, back to the blood-trenched ramparts of ye olde EC comics that yearns for more tales of sadistic sorcery and malevolent magic. Yes, draw your sword and start swinging, because Cruel Kingdom lives again with an all-new volume of Fatal Fantasy.
• 41:38
  Tyler Johnson: Told in the immortal EC Comics manner by a magnificently malicious cast of all-star storytelling,
• 41:46
  Tyler Johnson: Telling. In this cruel kingdom, there is no happily ever after, and sometimes the witch hunter becomes the hunt… witch hunter becomes the hunted in the end. Heh heh.
• 41:57
  Tyler Johnson: This will be, out from ONI Press. Final order cutoff is July 27th, and will be in shops September 2nd.
• 42:07
  Phil: All right. Next up, we've got Forever Home number one from Christian Ward and Sammy Cavella over at ONI. They have all the time in the world. Will it be enough to save them?
• 42:19
  Phil: Prepare to challenge the limits of time, technology, and human endurance itself, as one family's refuge from the end of the world becomes a mind-bending nightmare reaching far beyond the future. Inside, time stands still. But outside, something even worse than the apocalypse waits. Famed scientist Henry Damore tried to save the world.
• 42:37
  Phil: He failed, but in a desperate bid to save himself, his wife, and their two children, he constructed the Forever Home, an arc of luxury and ultramodern convenience insulated from the agony of the planet's death throes outside its walls and even time itself. Inside the Forever Home, only 20 minutes pass for every year on the outside, allowing the Damore family to slowly enact their plans for a new world as their automated environment and
• 43:01
  Phil: Robotic companions keep them safe, safe on the inside, always inside until a child.
• 43:07
  Phil: until a childish misstep accidentally breaks the Forever Homes barrier, and what's outside decides it wants back in. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of August 3rd in store September 9th from Oni Comics.
• 43:23
  Phil: Next up, there is a new chapter in Hellboy in Hell. Nothing but blood number one from Mike Mignola and Cyril Palmas at Dark Horse.
• 43:35
  Phil: The Hellboy steps in to save a young woman being chased by winged beasts deep in hell in the midst of an uprising against the most powerful demons. But nothing and no one are what they seem to be. With a final order cut off of August 31st.
• 43:49
  Phil: 31st, in stores, October 7th, first new stories for Hellboy's Time in Hell in several years, so I might actually pick that one up.
• 43:58
  Phil: And then there is It Demands Sacrifice, number one, from Philip Gallant and David Yarovesky and Adam Paulina over at Bad Idea.
• 44:10
  Phil: Here we go. I did not trim this one on a quiet farm.
• 44:15
  Phil: On a quiet farm, Bronson, the youngest and smallest member of a close knit family of goats.
• 44:22
  Phil: lives an idyllic life of sun-drenched fields, fresh hay, and sibling rivalries. His greatest concern is proving to his older siblings, and more importantly, his
• 44:32
  Phil: His imposing father that he is more than the runt of the herd. Then, in a single night, everything changes. A drug fueled, sex obsessed, satanic hippie murder cult descends on the farm, slaughtering the family who raised and protected the goats before abducting Bronson and his loved ones. Deep in the wilderness, beneath the blood red mood, hundreds of cult followers gather for an ancient ritual. Their purpose to sacrifice the goats and summon a ravenous demon from beyond.
• 44:57
  Phil: That's gonna have a final order cutoff of August 24th, in-store September 23rd. Once again, from Bad Idea.
• 45:05
  Phil: How about some graphic novels, Tyler?
• 45:08
  Tyler Johnson: All right, graphic novels. Ted doesn't get to speak anymore. No, I'm kidding. We just keep skipping his. This one I picked because my daughter has started to like these stories. This is the Babysitter's Club Super Special from Anne M. Martin and Raina Telgemeier. Gail Gallagher.
• 45:25
  Tad Eggleston: And Gail Galligan.
• 45:26
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 45:28
  Tyler Johnson: and Gail Galligan. New York Times best-selling authors Raina Telgemeier and Gail Galligan team up and return to the Babysitter's Club.
• 45:37
  Tyler Johnson: Christy, Claudia, Marianne, Stacy, Dawn, Mallory, and Jesse are the luckiest babysitters in the world. This summer, they're going on what is sure to be the best vacation ever. A plane ride to Florida, a cruise to the Bahamas on an extravagant ship.
• 45:53
  Tyler Johnson: And then back to Florida for 3 days of fun at a huge amusement park.
• 45:57
  Tyler Johnson: The BSC has a million adventures, of course, and they still have time for what they like best of all, which is babysitting.
• 46:06
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cut off August 10th, and this is going to be in shop September 16.
• 46:12
  Tyler Johnson: Had beast mode.
• 46:14
  Tad Eggleston: Beast Mode 510 from Sheldon Allen and Dennis Cowan.
• 46:19
  Tad Eggleston: Dennis Cowan and Dexter Vines at AWA. Beast Mode is Oakland's legendary fixer. He's a freelance sleuth whose rough demeanor conceals a heart of gold. If you're from the 510 and have a problem that the authorities won't deal with, or if, like, they are the problem.
• 46:36
  Tad Eggleston: Beast Mode will fix it with his thoroughly unique blend of brains and brawn.
• 46:42
  Tad Eggleston: But when Beast Mode tries to pull off a super secret surprise birthday party for his mother, he finds himself dragged deeper into a spiraling, interconnected global conspiracy involving three missing young women, a Silicon Valley slavery ring, Yakuza assassins, reptilian billionaires, a million dollar bounty on his head, a world economy shattering takedown, and so much more.
• 47:03
  Tad Eggleston: Beast Mode is a true man of the people who stands 10 toes down for four things only. His family, his city, his Kush, and his Henny. But Buddy just can't catch a break this week.
• 47:18
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cut off August 3, rd and in stores on October 7.th.
• 47:24
  Phil: Next up there's Comic Club by Yi Yang over at Fantagraphics. Besties Yang
• 47:30
  Phil: Kuakuai and Li Yu are soon to graduate middle school and face a familiar decision. Stick around their small Chinese town or set their sights on the big city. On a lark, they join their school's comic club, a ragtag band of nerds obsessed with what lies beyond the reaches of the stars. When one day the group spies strange glowing lights in the mountains and hikes out to investigate, what they find will forever change their lives.
• 47:55
  Phil: It's going to have a final order cutoff of August 24th in stores, September 30th. After that, there is Dissidium Returned from Ram V and Evan Cagle over at Image.
• 48:07
  Phil: In a future rebuilt from the ashes of war, belief is no longer sacred. It's monetized. Humanity has entered a hard won age of stability, governed by an unholy alliance between global corporations and newly engineered religions. Worship fuels the economy. Faith is power. Salvation is a product. Welcome to the industry of belief. That fragile balance shatters when the old gods return.
• 48:30
  Phil: Ancient deities of fire, wind, jaguars, love, war, and mischief awaken inside ordinary people, transforming neighbors and strangers into living gods. To the powers that be, they aren't miracles, they're threats.
• 48:43
  Phil: The great faiths of the new world knew the old gods could one day return, and they planned for such an eventuality. Twelve orphans were chosen, bestowed with gifts and taught to be faithless, loveless instruments without reward or remorse. The old gods have returned, and the twelve will be unleashed. As old myths collide with a world built on manufactured faith, a brutal conflict ignites, one that will decide who controls humanity's future.
• 49:07
  Phil: And whether salvation comes from those placed above us, or from within us.
• 49:13
  Phil: With a final order cutoff of August 17th, that's going to be in stores September 23rd.
• 49:22
  Tyler Johnson: All right, let's jump back. Is it me again? Yep.
• 49:25
  Phil: Yep, yep.
• 49:26
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, this one looks really cool. Feeling like an ADHD alien from Pina Vamil from Penguin.
• 49:35
  Tyler Johnson: Kiki has always felt different from other people. She loses track of time, she daydreams when she should be paying attention, she questions all the rules and shows her emotions more strongly than her friends. But through trial and error, and error and error.
• 49:51
  Tyler Johnson: She discovers her own ways to succeed and to connect with her loved ones. And eventually she discovers a truth that makes all the difference that she has been living with undiagnosed ADHD. Now Kiki can get real help in managing her disorder and a new understanding of why she's been feeling more like an alien than a typical high school student.
• 50:12
  Tyler Johnson: This will be, final order cut off of August 17th, and in shop September 15th.
• 50:22
  Tad Eggleston: I, just read the… the… advance of this, Forever, by Brian Brown, Brian Box Brown at IDW Top Shelf. Why say goodbye? Death is only a temporary glitch in this eerily plausible future.
• 50:37
  Tad Eggleston: Brenda's mom is dying, but not for long. Like millions of others, she's uploaded her consciousness to the groundbreaking new app Forever, which allows the surviving family members to chat with her on their screens for a very reasonable monthly fee. Now, Brenda's dad doesn't have to be alone while Brenda and her girlfriend focus on building their careers as wilderness survival
• 51:00
  Tad Eggleston: influencers. But when this very modern family sets out on a camping trip, their tensions and tech addictions build to an explosive climax, whose consequences may last.
• 51:10
  Tad Eggleston: forever.
• 51:12
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of August 3rd in stores on September 8th.
• 51:19
  Phil: Totally.
• 51:19
  Tad Eggleston: Doing what Box Brown does.
• 51:21
  Phil: Sorry about that. Hodo by Yongshin Ma at Drawn and Quarterly. "At first there was lake, and then there was island. Or was it the other way around?
• 51:33
  Phil: A story told in two parts, it is up to the reader to determine where they'd like to begin this eerie journey. Based on a true story that Yongshin Ma felt compelled to help share, together these two parts are Hodo, the story of a painter whose hard and dark past is brought to life with sensitivity and authenticity. Lake.
• 51:52
  Phil: Hodo is haunted by her mother and stepmother, her classmates, a neighbor, and yes, literal ghosts. She is also five years old.
• 52:00
  Phil: Through masterful cartooning, we see a child's despair in the face of pervasive violence and her confusion as to why bad things keep happening to her. We see the edges of her desperation begin to appear. Island.
• 52:13
  Phil: Hodo is haunted by her past, a friend's suicide, her sister's heartbreaking yet unsurprising betrayal, and yes, literal ghosts, still.
• 52:22
  Phil: Though through masterful cartooning, we see a woman reckoning with her past and the shadow it has cast on her adulthood. But we also see her develop her artistic practice and witness her determination to find herself through her paintbrush. Because despite the incredible pain, POTO is a story of light in the dark, a story of hope.
• 52:40
  Phil: It's going to have a final order cutoff, so cutoff of August 17th, in stores September 15th.
• 52:48
  Tad Eggleston: All right. Second generation blues from Julio Anta and Red Dreyer at Harper Collins.
• 52:56
  Tad Eggleston: Luis Menendez wants to be free from his immigrant Cuban-American parents' expectations. Instead, he's spending a summer delivering food for his family's faltering restaurant, sweating under the hot sun and the crushing weight of a future he didn't choose. At least there's Yara.
• 53:11
  Tad Eggleston: Confident, assertive, and basically the girl of Luis's dream. She might be the only person who understands him, if only he had any free time to spend with her.
• 53:20
  Tad Eggleston: Amid the chaos, Luis starts carving out his own path, but when trying to be the son his parents need, clashes with the life he wants. He's forced to face the question he's most afraid of answering. Is family loyalty worth sacrificing his own happiness? Final order cut off is August 30th in stores on Earth.
• 53:40
  Tad Eggleston: August 31st in stores on September 30th.
• 53:44
  Tad Eggleston: Some collections, Tyler.
• 53:47
  Tyler Johnson: Elections, we're talking, right up front, Bleeding Hearts, Volume 1 from Dennis Camp and Stephen Morgan. The zombies won, and 10 years after the fall of humanity.
• 53:59
  Tyler Johnson: They're the dominant form of life, or not life, on Earth. They've developed their own cultural practices, their own language, their own society, all organized around hunting and devouring the few living humans, unluckily enough, to still be fighting for survival.
• 54:15
  Tyler Johnson: Mouse pokes golf ball through hole in the head, poke for short, is a valued and beloved member of the brain splashes and sizzles on Hot Rock's hoard of the undead.
• 54:26
  Tyler Johnson: With his brother-in-law in arm mush, he's happy to shamble along through the only world he can remember. Until the day his heart starts mysteriously beating again. And in the blink.
• 54:41
  Tyler Johnson: And in a blink, the first human he sees have stopped looking like food and have started looking like friends.
• 54:48
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cutoff is August 10th, and will be in shops October 20th.
• 54:55
  Tad Eggleston: This series has been so good.
• 54:57
  Tyler Johnson: I am wearing a Bleeding Hearts-type shirt. It's not related to the comic books. However, it is a Texas Chainsaw Massacre t-shirt that says, I heart TX with a chainsaw coming through the… through the shirt. It's pretty awesome.
• 55:13
  Tad Eggleston: Alrighty.
• 55:14
  Tad Eggleston: The Cardicelli and Perillo Collection, Stefano Cardicelli and Francesca Perillo at Mad Cave. Complete collection of all four critically acclaimed Mad Cave comic series from the wonderfully creative minds of Stefano.
• 55:26
  Tad Eggleston: Cardicelli and Francesca Perillo includes Don't Spit in the Wind, Love Me, A Romance Story, Long Cold Winter, and Where Does the Rainbow End? The latter three of which have been
• 55:37
  Tad Eggleston: talked about many, many times on this show, so I'm very, very happy to have all four of them, collected together. Final order cut off of August 31st, and in stores on September 23rd. Tyler, back to you.
• 55:53
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, Imaginary Fiends from Tim Sealy and Stephan Molnar.
• 55:59
  Tyler Johnson: When she was 10 years old, Melba Lee was sent to a mental institution for attempted murder, a crime she blamed on a spidery phantom called Polly Peach Pit.
• 56:09
  Tyler Johnson: Now, on her 18th birthday, Melba receives an unexpected offer from the FBI in exchange for a reprieve from her sentence. She will work with Special Agent Virgil Crockett to hunt down IMPs, interdimensional mental parasites that prey on the minds of humans.
• 56:28
  Tyler Johnson: Polly Peachbit is one of those IMPs, and Crockett needs Melba to convince her childhood tormentor to help with his mission and resist her manipulations to kill again.
• 56:39
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cutoff is August 24th and will be in shop September 30th. So this was a series, right?
• 56:48
  Tyler Johnson: Before…
• 56:49
  Tad Eggleston: A while ago, yeah.
• 56:51
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, and so, not that they can't come out quite a while later, but this seems weird that this collection is so far behind the series.
• 56:59
  Tad Eggleston: I want to say that this might have actually been at a different publisher.
• 57:04
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 57:06
  Tad Eggleston: If you can…
• 57:08
  Phil: to that.
• 57:08
  Tyler Johnson: I have the issues. It was really good.
• 57:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 57:13
  Phil: Next up, there is the nameless 10th anniversary deluxe edition from Grant Morrison, Chris Burnham and Nathan Fairbairn over at Image Comics. An astronomer kills his family, then himself, leaving a cryptic warning.
• 57:28
  Phil: A veiled lady hunts her victims through human nightmares, and a cult hustler known only as Nameless is… oh, hold on, hold on a second, Tab, please don't cut that.
• 57:39
  Phil: named Nameless, is recruited by a consortium of billionaire futurists for a desperate mission, and the malevolent asteroid Zibala spins closer on a collision course with Earth. But nothing is what it seems. A terrifying inhuman experiment is about to begin. Abandon all hope and experience ultimate horror. It shocked me that this is 10 years since Nameless came out. This collection says it has 40 all new pages of content.
• 58:04
  Phil: Whether that is story material or back matter, I am not entirely sure, because I know that other Grant Morrison books, when they get collected, have extra story pages, so I might need to check out specifically this 10th Anniversary Deluxe Edition compared to others.
• 58:19
  Phil: After that, there's Parliament of Rooks by Abigail Jill Harding and Richard Starkings over at Ablaze. Oh, by the way, that Nameless had a final order cut off of July 27th in stores December 9th. Parliament of Rooks from Ablaze by Abigail
• 58:35
  Phil: Jill Harding and Richard Stargains. After waking from a strange dream, architect Darius Ravenscar makes plans to head to the city of
• 58:45
  Phil: Eberwick to show the Princess the designs she has commissioned. However, at the Masquerade Ball, it becomes clear that something is terribly wrong. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of July 27th in stores, September 2nd.
• 59:00
  Tyler Johnson: All right.
• 59:02
  Tyler Johnson: Tab, Roots of Madness?
• 59:04
  Tad Eggleston: All right, Roots of Madness from Stephanie Phillips and Letic Katanichi.
• 59:09
  Tad Eggleston: Or Stephanie Williams. Stephanie Williams! Eisner-nominated writer, Stephanie Williams! The first black woman to be nominated for an Eisner Award, which is…
• 59:20
  Tad Eggleston: Wrong on so many levels and right on the level that Stephanie Williams is incredibly deserving.
• 59:28
  Tad Eggleston: And somehow got her nomination with books that are almost all creator-owned, and none…
• 59:35
  Tad Eggleston: Like, she's written, I think, two DC comics this year, and otherwise it's all for creator stuff, which is also super cool. When traditional remedies meet a new frontier of science, can long-kept family secrets help the world or doom us all?
• 59:54
  Tad Eggleston: 2.
• 59:55
  Tad Eggleston: Cosmic Oblivion
• 59:57
  Tad Eggleston: At the turn of the 20th century, a young black woman follows in the tradition of her late mother, creating special medicines using natural ingredients and secrets passed down from generation to generation. However, her mother's book of formulas is full of strange symbols and dark musings that she doesn't quite understand.
• 1:00:14
  Tad Eggleston: When the Meridian Fellowship reaches out and offers her the use of their facilities to do her research, Etta jumps at the chance.
• 1:00:21
  Tad Eggleston: What she finds is a secret society at a campus surrounded by natural wonders that may point the way to understanding the mysteries of her mother's work, if dark forces don't claim her first.
• 1:00:34
  Tad Eggleston: Inspired by the life of Madam C.J. Walker, this alternate history combines tradition with the supernatural for something truly modern and unique.
• 1:00:46
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff this week.
• 1:00:48
  Tad Eggleston: For Monday, July 6th, we've got Bimbo Agiprop from Raquel Jack at Thanta Graphics out on August 5th.
• 1:00:56
  Tad Eggleston: Black Star No. 1 from Kristen Kirk, Peter Mooney, and Eric Putzker, and Joe Bacardo from Titan Comics, out on July 29th. Buffy the Vampire Slayer No. 1 from Kelly Thompson, Steven Byrne at Dynamite Entertainment, out on July 22
• 1:01:11
  Tad Eggleston: Cult de Sac, number one, from Cullen Bunn and Fico Azio at Ignition, out on August 12th. The Dirt Beneath the Devil, number one, from Dan Panosian and
• 1:01:24
  Tad Eggleston: David Faraci at Mad Cave, out on July 29th. The Foundry No. 1 for Mike Mignola, Chris Roberson, and Christopher Minton, out from Dark Horse Comics on August 12th.
• 1:01:35
  Tad Eggleston: Godzilla's Monster Peace Theater presents Roar of the Worlds, from Kyle Baker, out from IDW on August 12th.
• 1:01:45
  Tad Eggleston: Jughead in Pimageddon from Tom King and Dan Parent, and Rich Kozlowski, Jack Morelli, Rosario Titopina.
• 1:01:58
  Tad Eggleston: from Archie Comics Publications on July 15th. Mary Jane, face it, Tiger, number one, from J.M. DeMattei, and Nesenti, Alina…
• 1:02:11
  Tad Eggleston: EfroViva, Andreo Brocardo, David Nakayama from Marvel on August 5th, Peep Show, the collected hardcover from Joe Matt from Fantagraphics on August 12th, Money Shot, the fuck-offs.
• 1:02:26
  Tad Eggleston: Number 1 from Tim Seeley, Patton Oswalt, Garth Graham from Vault Comics on August 5th. Real Alligator, number 1 from Robert Venditti.
• 1:02:37
  Tad Eggleston: or Realligator, sorry, from Robert Venditti, Brock and McKinney, Manic Cebrera at Bad Idea on August 5th, and Spider-Man, Hulk, Fire and Brimstone No. 1 from Kevin Smith.
• 1:02:51
  Tad Eggleston: Andy McElfresh and R.B. Silva from Marvel on August 19th.
• 1:02:58
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, are you taking the crowdfunding?
• 1:03:00
  Phil: Yes, I am. Devil's Due presents Hack/Mercy Sparks from Josh Blalock on Kickstarter through June 28th, 2024.
• 1:03:10
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's today, so…
• 1:03:12
  Phil: Oh!
• 1:03:13
  Tad Eggleston: That one might be done.
• 1:03:15
  Phil: Oh, no.
• 1:03:15
  Tad Eggleston: That one might be done by the time you listen to this.
• 1:03:18
  Phil: Yikes, sorry about that. 2026…
• 1:03:20
  Tad Eggleston: My fault.
• 1:03:21
  Phil: Insert Name Comics and Zines Fest from Emily Mayer and Ryan Carey on Kickstarter through June 29th.
• 1:03:28
  Phil: That is a zine festival on Sunday, August 30th from noon to 6:00 p.m. at Odd Mart 2520 Lindale Avenue, South Minneapolis. The Goblin Throne by Mel Gilman from Iron Circus on Kickstarter through June 30th. The Comics Courier No. 4 by Tiffany Babb on Kickstarter through July 1st. The New Black, the noir anthology finale.
• 1:03:53
  Phil: From Fair Square Graphic on Kickstarter through July 1st, The Forgotten Divine by Mark Russell and Russ Braun.
• 1:04:01
  Phil: From Ahoy on Kickstarter through July 2nd. By Visibility, bye-bye-bye, a bisexual comic book anthology from Kat Kalamiya and Lifeline Comics on Kickstarter through July 2nd.
• 1:04:15
  Phil: Gralgor and Shanks, number 1 and 2, A Dwarf and Orc Solve Mysteries, from John Lees and Joe Mulvey, and Comics Tribe, on Kickstarter through July 3rd. Scar Tissue Bargains, by Stephen Fox, on Kickstarter through July 12th.
• 1:04:32
  Phil: Nerd emergencies and other misunderstandings. A comic showcase of neurodivergent perspectives by Andrew Coltrane and partly robot and Zuzu cartoons on Kickstarter through July 14. Stellar remnant number two from Damon George Hampton on Kickstarter through July 15. Subculture on in crowds and outliers.
• 1:04:57
  Phil: by comic's finest writers, artists, and record thieves, edited by Shelley Bond on Kickstarter through July 23rd.
• 1:05:06
  Phil: Ghost Brawler number one from John Lehman and Rob Guillory, the team behind Chew on Kickstarter through July 23rd. Tezuka, God of Manga, a documentary by Jason Cohn on Kickstarter, which is still in the launching sous phase. So keep an eye out for that and go ahead and listen to all the great conversations Taz had with most of these creators. And if they haven't happened yet.
• 1:05:29
  Tad Eggleston: I've got most now, but still a lot.
• 1:05:33
  Phil: At least.
• 1:05:33
  Tad Eggleston: And a and a couple coming up.
• 1:05:36
  Phil: I'm sure, I would imagine that, you know, if you haven't talked to Shelly again for this new Kickstarter, then…
• 1:05:45
  Tad Eggleston: Tuesday.
• 1:05:46
  Phil: Tuesday. Very exciting. Awesome. Tyler, what do we got with Humble Bundles?
• 1:05:50
  Tyler Johnson: good I'm glad you asked because these are new ones we haven't talked about last time Sonic the Hedgehog 35th anniversary from IDW this looks like a great deal guys for 27 items you get eight or it's only $18 and that goes to the children's Miracle Network this is going to be running for about two more weeks July 10th it ends
• 1:06:13
  Tyler Johnson: And then the second one that we have up is Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow, and more from DC.
• 1:06:20
  Tyler Johnson: For $18, you get 30 items, you guys, and this includes stuff from the New 52, Rebirth, some Lobo comics.
• 1:06:30
  Tyler Johnson: There is just a ton of stuff here. That goes to the Book Industry Charitable Foundation. That Kickstarter, excuse me, Humble Bundle lasts through July 18th.
• 1:06:46
  Tad Eggleston: You're right. Three amazing books in a week where there were so many fucking awesome books.
• 1:06:55
  Tad Eggleston: That I totally could have gone 9.
• 1:06:57
  Tad Eggleston: And I even read enough to go 9, but I'm not going 9. I'm gonna stick to Mind Management New and Improved number 1 for Matt Kent at ONI.
• 1:07:06
  Tad Eggleston: So, so good to have mind management back. Exploit number four from Laura Hudson, Tim Leong, and Amelia Pena at Mad Cave. They totally stuck the landing. And is Ted okay? Number five from Dave Chisholm at Mad Cave. The penultimate issue with a serious, serious.
• 1:07:26
  Tad Eggleston: Swerve, I cannot wait to see how this wraps up.
• 1:07:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, lots of honorable mentions. 51 absolute Wonder Woman, American caper barbarians beyond bars.
• 1:07:39
  Tad Eggleston: Bizarro, Brownfield Action Family, Eye Collector was surprisingly good. Feral, The Hab, In Your Skin, Narco, the fifth issue of The Brutal… The Peril of the Brutal Dark, an Ezra Kane mystery from… from good friends Chris Condon and Jacob Phillips.
• 1:07:58
  Tad Eggleston: Powers, 25, number 10, pretty hate machine number 3 terabytes from from the podcast. Joe Saraki got to do a terabyte terabytes Usagi and White House robot romance. And finally.
• 1:08:14
  Tad Eggleston: our buddy Tom on Wonder Woman. Really good week in comics.
• 1:08:19
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, take a walk.
• 1:08:21
  Phil: Yeah, it's another week where my mind is feeling more gutter than panel, if you know what I mean.
• 1:08:29
  Phil: Thankfully, I have scheduled some time off from my horrendous day job coming up, so hopefully I'll get a nice, complete nervous breakdown in that time and be back to some semblance of normal. Ted, have you. Have you, read some.
• 1:08:43
  Tad Eggleston: More chapters.
• 1:08:44
  Phil: 5, 4.
• 1:08:44
  Tad Eggleston: More chapters of One Piece.
• 1:08:46
  Phil: Very exciting.
• 1:08:47
  Tad Eggleston: We've pretty much finished saving the children on the island and we're kind of regrouping and getting ready to move on, figuring out which of the alliances is real and which of the alliances was just for the sake of taking out the bad guys on the island. So, yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Phil: Interesting stuff. Fun stuff. I… I have switched up once again, and, got my hands on a book that I've been, excited to read for a long time now. It is… I've read the first 13 chapters of Goodnight Pun Pun by Minio Asano.
• 1:09:21
  Tad Eggleston: I love everything Ineosana does, but Pun Pun is amazing.
• 1:09:25
  Phil: Okay, yeah, I mean, I've known it by reputation only, and reading it, I have this, like, sense of, like, existential dread that is magnificent.
• 1:09:37
  Phil: But yeah, I had to get this one through interlibrary loan. So there might be some delays between volumes as I read through this masterpiece, but we'll probably plug the gaps with a handful of non-PunPun books that my library actually has.
• 1:09:51
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:09:52
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, that's, that's it. Let's, we got, we got a few minutes. The seeds.
• 1:09:59
  Phil: proceeds.
• 1:09:59
  Tad Eggleston: Picked out the seeds. What do you have to say, Phil?
• 1:10:03
  Phil: So, it's weird, this was… this was my first time reading it in full. I only read the first half, the first two issues, when they came out in single issues, and then bought the volume, but never finished reading it until this, so…
• 1:10:16
  Phil: It's a weird… it's a weird little book.
• 1:10:19
  Phil: And I think the title kind of gives away, like.
• 1:10:23
  Phil: It's a book where it feels like more is happening after you put it down than happened on the page.
• 1:10:31
  Phil: In that weird sort of way.
• 1:10:33
  Tad Eggleston: Thank you.
• 1:10:34
  Tyler Johnson: That's interesting.
• 1:10:36
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, for… Yeah, I guess so. I'm trying to see what you're…
• 1:10:44
  Phil: So what I mean by that is that, so like this is a book that on the surface looks like it's about fake news and aliens and the fear of technology and a future that is trying to plunge itself back into the past.
• 1:11:00
  Phil: But, you know, arguably the most interesting thing about this book is a romance between an alien and a human and the implied child that they conceive. That is completely like.
• 1:11:13
  Phil: that is, you know, arguably the most interesting thing the book could do, but it's… it's never seen, and it's never expanded on… it's left completely implied by, both the art and the characters. Like, you don't… you don't actually know if…
• 1:11:30
  Phil: There is…
• 1:11:32
  Phil: A human alien hybrid baby. You know, it's kind of just the characters act like it could be real, but it's kind of up to the reader to decide whether it is real or not, as well as to, like, continue thinking about what that would do to the world if anyone ever found out about it. So, yeah, it's.
• 1:11:52
  Tyler Johnson: Well, that's why the aliens were there, right? To… they're not invading, they're just, like, there to collect genetic material before it's too late.
• 1:12:01
  Phil: Right. And then implicitly sell that on some sort of genetic material black market, you know? Yeah. And also.
• 1:12:10
  Tyler Johnson: In this world, right, the… It's…
• 1:12:14
  Tyler Johnson: it's a given that the world is dying, and it won't be long before they're gone, so I don't… particularly, I was like, yeah, that makes sense to gather as much of that up. Selling on the black market, yeah, it's a little shady, but I'm like.
• 1:12:28
  Phil: Right.
• 1:12:29
  Tyler Johnson: This world is dying. At least they're trying to keep something alive.
• 1:12:33
  Phil: Well, and that's the other thing that is…
• 1:12:36
  Phil: Kind of interesting is, you know, again, there's another plot thread that is pretty, you know.
• 1:12:45
  Phil: Pretty subtle is there's like a competition between, I think, two, like, scientist billionaires trying to save the world with robot bees or mycelium.
• 1:12:58
  Phil: You know, fungus of some sort, so it's…
• 1:13:02
  Phil: And again, those are actions that you only see discussed in a couple stray lines of dialogue, and then just visually referenced through
• 1:13:15
  Phil: you know, the recurring hexagon patterns on… for the company, you know? So it's…
• 1:13:24
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, because the seeds, right, they're a literal and a symbolic, right, representation of the aliens, like.
• 1:13:32
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:13:33
  Tyler Johnson: Embryo Bank, I guess?
• 1:13:35
  Phil: Well, and then when, you know, not to, you know, spoilers for the last panel, when they zoom in on Lola's tattoo, it's implied that
• 1:13:44
  Phil: She was there to collect alien DNA.
• 1:13:47
  Phil: She was doing to the aliens what they were doing to the planet Earth.
• 1:13:52
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:13:52
  Phil: You know, and again, for this being a book called The Seeds.
• 1:14:00
  Phil: A seed is… An inert object full of potential life.
• 1:14:06
  Phil: Correct. In the same way that this book is kind of an inert object full of potential stories that are left up to the reader to plant and fertilize, you know.
• 1:14:17
  Tyler Johnson: Yep, yep, yep.
• 1:14:18
  Phil: And that, that tension between, story and truth and, you know.
• 1:14:24
  Phil: belief and reality.
• 1:14:28
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, it's really good. I mean, like, if you look at the artwork, right, and how they use the artwork to tell the story, where it's mostly black and white, but with this, like, sickly green, mossy… it really feels claustrophobic and uncomfortable as you're reading this, because, I mean, it's just to give this, like, impression of a dying world.
• 1:14:50
  Tyler Johnson: And that's what we're getting, right? I just felt like the whole time, like, this just feels yucky.
• 1:14:55
  Phil: Yeah, that's enough.
• 1:14:56
  Tyler Johnson: was the point, you know.
• 1:14:58
  Phil: And then the double entendre of green being, well, triple entendre of green being a color representing aliens and money and nature, you know, as well as the, you know.
• 1:15:12
  Phil: The the cover of the last book points out. So like this, this continuing motif of a hexagon.
• 1:15:21
  Phil: Is revealed to be… you could also see it as a cube.
• 1:15:26
  Phil: So that's another thing. It's about shifting perspectives of, you know, the hexagon is a 2D drawing of a 3D object.
• 1:15:34
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah. Okay.
• 1:15:35
  Phil: And how, you know, they talk about, oh, the truth has multiple sides. Every issue has six chapters, you know?
• 1:15:45
  Phil: But then there's… Go on, sorry.
• 1:15:47
  Tyler Johnson: Are you familiar with art terms like what Ben Day dots are?
• 1:15:53
  Phil: I'm not. I'm not familiar with Ben… Ben Daydot specifically. I know a few art.
• 1:15:58
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, so that's what they employed throughout this book with their shading, so it's like stippling, but for comic books, where, you know, DC was really big on it, you know, at some point.
• 1:16:10
  Tyler Johnson: It's like stippling, but for comic books. And they really use this really well throughout this story to get the texture of across, you know, it gives it like this very grainy, gritty, what's the word?
• 1:16:30
  Phil: Excellent.
• 1:16:30
  Tyler Johnson: You could almost fool it. Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  Phil: Well, and then it's… it's also, like… so the style is a…
• 1:16:37
  Phil: pretty… like, a lot of these drawings look like, traces of photographs. Like, it's a very photorealistic art style. But then, that technique, those… those dots, like you said, are used for texture, but they also…
• 1:16:51
  Phil: They kind of, they take the photorealism, and then…
• 1:16:57
  Phil: kind of deconstruct that just a little bit, because those dots are so unreal, to being used to texture, then it… it creates this, like, hyper-realistic image of, like, okay, I know that this is…
• 1:17:11
  Phil: meant to be, like, a very specific thing, but it's also becoming figurative through that use of art technique.
• 1:17:19
  Phil: You know, so it is. It is about that interplay between, like, real and imaginary.
• 1:17:24
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, I mean, because even while some of the main characters are talking, you know, the artwork will be focusing on something insignificant.
• 1:17:33
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:17:34
  Tyler Johnson: Like, basically showing you what it would feel like from a fly-on-the-wall perspective.
• 1:17:40
  Tyler Johnson: You know, a flickering screen, or a dead bird, I think is one.
• 1:17:44
  Phil: You're right.
• 1:17:45
  Tyler Johnson: It's The scenery, the environment, is like a silent witness to everything that's going on.
• 1:17:51
  Phil: Absolutely, yeah. And the ways that, I absolutely love David Aha's art and how every page feels like a complete unit more than like the individual panels, you know?
• 1:18:05
  Phil: Like, it really feels like he has such a great mind for panel transitions and, you know, the page that starts out every issue that, you know, has like a warping hexagon pattern.
• 1:18:15
  Phil: Where it's like, we start on a hexagon, we zoom out a bit, and then we zoom back in, and the hexagon has changed in some way, or shifted. You know? That, that's another thing that I think is…
• 1:18:27
  Phil: A skill highly important in comics, but that you don't see often enough is that like whole page view where you know that he's designing it instead of panel by panel. He's really looking at, okay, you know, moments where like characters appear to be facing each other, facing away from each other between different panels. And again, and filling in those different spaces with seemingly unrelated objects that end up leaving.
• 1:18:52
  Phil: the eye and balancing the page, and really enhancing the story through, you know, abstract storytelling. It's really cool. I really like this book. I look forward to rereading it and, like, sitting with it longer and thinking about it more, just because of how
• 1:19:07
  Phil: Dense it is for a 4-issue miniseries.
• 1:19:10
  Tyler Johnson: Dense is a good word. Because what I, just last thoughts from me.
• 1:19:16
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:19:16
  Tyler Johnson: Ted, you haven't really jumped.
• 1:19:18
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I've got a couple of questions that I'm going to bring up. And I just wanted to let you guys go through this because there are two things that I feel like you haven't hit on at all.
• 1:19:31
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, so one of the things that I really noticed is that none of this was really like focused on either one side, right? The tech people or the Luddites that don't want the tech.
• 1:19:45
  Tyler Johnson: It never focused on either one of them as being right or the good guys or.
• 1:19:53
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:19:53
  Tyler Johnson: You know what I mean?
• 1:19:55
  Phil: Yep.
• 1:19:55
  Tyler Johnson: It really… I mean, it did show that they were tech addicts, and they were hollow and dying, but…
• 1:20:02
  Tyler Johnson: It also the the Luddite rebels, you know. They're paranoid, you know.
• 1:20:08
  Tyler Johnson: and it did… to me, it didn't really focus on, like, these are the good guys, these are the bad, right? It just… these are just two factions that have to live together, and we got this,
• 1:20:20
  Tyler Johnson: Alien aspect, taking genetic material.
• 1:20:25
  Phil: Good.
• 1:20:26
  Tyler Johnson: And I just thought that was kind of cool.
• 1:20:29
  Tyler Johnson: Alright.
• 1:20:31
  Tad Eggleston: So… First, I want to ask a question.
• 1:20:37
  Tad Eggleston: Regarding… I mean, you've talked about the the literal seeds and the the alien and and.
• 1:20:47
  Tad Eggleston: whatnot,
• 1:20:53
  Tad Eggleston: But what about the the.
• 1:20:57
  Tad Eggleston: informational seeds. You know, she's working for an editor that literally has the position of, like, make up the story and it will become true.
• 1:21:09
  Tyler Johnson: Mmhm.
• 1:21:13
  Tyler Johnson: Boy, does that seem, like, relevant to today? I mean, holy crap.
• 1:21:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, though.
• 1:21:18
  Phil: Well.
• 1:21:18
  Tad Eggleston: If you read the afterwards, they specifically said that like.
• 1:21:22
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:21:23
  Tad Eggleston: Well, well, parts of it became even more real as they were writing it. It was, it was not, not written to be,
• 1:21:32
  Tyler Johnson: commentary on modern day.
• 1:21:34
  Phil: Right.
• 1:21:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:21:35
  Tyler Johnson: News…
• 1:21:35
  Tad Eggleston: Kobe?
• 1:21:37
  Tad Eggleston: Exactly.
• 1:21:38
  Phil: Yeah. Okay.
• 1:21:39
  Tad Eggleston: Uhhh… But, I, I do think that there, there's, there's,
• 1:21:49
  Tad Eggleston: a lot of… A lot to be said about, like, the, the, the…
• 1:21:57
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it actually reminds me as much about… of Mark Twain and Eli can…
• 1:22:04
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:22:05
  Tad Eggleston: Travel around the world while the truth is, you know.
• 1:22:08
  Phil: Yeah. Put it on cheese.
• 1:22:10
  Tad Eggleston: Shoes, right? Because like the entire, the entire purpose here is.
• 1:22:17
  Tad Eggleston: Like, let's get the headline, let's…
• 1:22:21
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:22:22
  Tad Eggleston: Get our clicks, sell our papers, whatever.
• 1:22:26
  Phil: Right, so I think…
• 1:22:27
  Tad Eggleston: And we'll make it real.
• 1:22:29
  Phil: One of the things about that that I thought the whole time reading this is I wonder if the Luddite movement and dead zones.
• 1:22:38
  Phil: was…
• 1:22:40
  Phil: Like one of those where the headline was created and the story was written and then people started doing it because they started reading about it.
• 1:22:48
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I have a similar question.
• 1:22:52
  Tad Eggleston: You guys are working from the assumption that there are real aliens involved here.
• 1:22:57
  Phil: -H.
• 1:22:59
  Tad Eggleston: And you mentioned her tattoo.
• 1:23:02
  Phil: -H.
• 1:23:03
  Tad Eggleston: But you didn't mention his tattoo.
• 1:23:05
  Phil: His tattoo.
• 1:23:07
  Tyler Johnson: Mmhm.
• 1:23:09
  Phil: Where's… what's it say?
• 1:23:11
  Tad Eggleston: Very same page.
• 1:23:14
  Phil: And,
• 1:23:15
  Tyler Johnson: I don't have it in front of me.
• 1:23:17
  Phil: I got it right here. Oh, so that was his arm. Okay.
• 1:23:22
  Phil: So he was working. Oh, interesting. Okay, so I misread that a bit.
• 1:23:28
  Tyler Johnson: What, what, okay, what does it.
• 1:23:30
  Phil: So he has the tattoo that is the hexagons and the barcode that is referencing to the, the genetic,
• 1:23:40
  Phil: the…
• 1:23:41
  Phil: the, or the biotech industry that was, creating the robot bees. The two guys that were, that were competing between the mycelium and the robot bees, implying that, like.
• 1:23:52
  Phil: The alien…
• 1:23:53
  Tad Eggleston: One of them was a woman.
• 1:23:55
  Phil: Yes, the aliens that are collecting data from the dying world are billionaires.
• 1:24:01
  Tad Eggleston: Or the servants of God. Yeah, at the very least, they're not aliens at all. They're, like, this goes back to her picture of the guy taking off the mask, you know, so the question now becomes, are
• 1:24:14
  Tad Eggleston: Are there any aliens at all?
• 1:24:17
  Phil: From there…
• 1:24:18
  Phil: I think I think that that how unrecognizable humanity is to itself in the world today and how different a billionaire's life is from a journalist's life, from a sex worker's life, and how, you know, any two people can be aliens to each other.
• 1:24:36
  Phil: In that way.
• 1:24:37
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely. Thank you so much.
• 1:24:38
  Phil: Point that out, Kat. I definitely sped around a little bit too.
• 1:24:41
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I hadn't caught that on any of my previous reads, and when I hit that, it was like, oh, wait a minute.
• 1:24:49
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:24:50
  Tad Eggleston: Like.
• 1:24:52
  Phil: That is… that is really fast.
• 1:24:53
  Tad Eggleston: Because watching the guy in the club pull up his mask, you know, on one side, it…
• 1:25:02
  Tad Eggleston: It puts question to… Umm.
• 1:25:06
  Tad Eggleston: the aliens, but also because of where they are and what's going on, it's like, oh, wait a minute. Is she actually taking a picture of the alien that they went to go get, or is she taking the picture to be able to give her boss to say the aliens aren't real?
• 1:25:22
  Phil: And that's what she did, and in doing that, unintentionally told the truth.
• 1:25:27
  Phil: That, hey, maybe these aren't actual outer spaces.
• 1:25:30
  Tad Eggleston: Well or or or or.
• 1:25:33
  Tad Eggleston: or intentionally told the truth. I mean, like, it's really hard to figure out what Astra…
• 1:25:39
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:25:40
  Tad Eggleston: Believes, and that's 1 of the things that I think is super cool about her.
• 1:25:44
  Phil: Oh yeah.
• 1:25:45
  Tad Eggleston: you know, she certainly would prefer to report the real stories, so is she actually reporting a real story that she's selling as sensational?
• 1:25:57
  Phil: That, that's, that's another great point.
• 1:26:01
  Tad Eggleston: You know.
• 1:26:01
  Phil: Yeah?
• 1:26:02
  Tad Eggleston: There's just layers upon layers. You can tell why Karen Berger jumped all over this version. Yeah.
• 1:26:12
  Tad Eggleston: Because apparently, it, it, the, the…
• 1:26:16
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, let me ask you this.
• 1:26:17
  Tad Eggleston: It stemmed from a a book they called Scoop that that was.
• 1:26:22
  Tad Eggleston: That was more grounded in 50s.
• 1:26:26
  Phil: Oh, interesting.
• 1:26:28
  Tad Eggleston: Just journalism.
• 1:26:30
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, do you think Astra is a hero or more of a failed journalist? Because, I mean, she decides to protect a massive secret instead of publishing it.
• 1:26:40
  Phil: Well.
• 1:26:41
  Phil: And…
• 1:26:42
  Tad Eggleston: The sheep.
• 1:26:42
  Phil: Sure.
• 1:26:43
  Phil: Yeah, I mean…
• 1:26:44
  Tad Eggleston: Does she publish the secret?
• 1:26:47
  Phil: She publishes the secret beneath the secret.
• 1:26:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:26:50
  Tyler Johnson: Yes!
• 1:26:51
  Phil: as a fake story that was, you know, reversing her previous story. It's… it's a… it's complicated. It's very complicated. I… I think this is… this is a book that…
• 1:27:04
  Phil: Doesn't really care about good and bad.
• 1:27:07
  Phil: it, I don't think.
• 1:27:08
  Tyler Johnson: That's not the.
• 1:27:09
  Phil: Yeah, I don't… I don'.
• 1:27:11
  Tad Eggleston: Also, I don't think it cares about,
• 1:27:19
  Tad Eggleston: Cares about truth more than facts.
• 1:27:23
  Tad Eggleston: The, the, the truths are.
• 1:27:27
  Tad Eggleston: we're prone to… Sensationalism.
• 1:27:31
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:27:32
  Tad Eggleston: The truth is, we're destroying our planet.
• 1:27:36
  Phil: Yep.
• 1:27:37
  Tad Eggleston: The truth is… It's really hard for the little guy.
• 1:27:44
  Tad Eggleston: to get by.
• 1:27:46
  Phil: Yeah, so.
• 1:27:47
  Tad Eggleston: The the truth is that.
• 1:27:50
  Tad Eggleston: Billionaires are, are so disconnected from.
• 1:27:56
  Phil: Well.
• 1:27:57
  Tad Eggleston: That that even saving the world is a game to them that they bet on and and like.
• 1:28:05
  Phil: Not just that, but with the, the trend in billionaires being doomsday preppers and having bunkers, those investments are worth nothing to a world that
• 1:28:16
  Phil: avoids apocalypse.
• 1:28:18
  Phil: So it's in that same way. They're like, oh, these seeds aren't worth anything unless the world is dying.
• 1:28:25
  Phil: And in that same way, that's like…
• 1:28:28
  Phil: all the, like, the billionaire who shot himself into space in this story, you know? And it's been news for at least a decade that billionaires have been obsessed with the end of the world. And so now that they've invested in it and have their bunkers, and are trying to quote-unquote solve that problem.
• 1:28:47
  Phil: That's going to be a huge waste of time if the world doesn't end.
• 1:28:51
  Tyler Johnson: Right.
• 1:28:53
  Tyler Johnson: What side of the wall… hey, what side of the wall would you guys choose for yourselves?
• 1:28:57
  Phil: I mean… I…
• 1:29:01
  Tyler Johnson: I know, I'd probably be on the tech side, honestly. I mean…
• 1:29:04
  Phil: It, I think it, that's, that's hard to.
• 1:29:07
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, there's no good answer for that.
• 1:29:10
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:29:11
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, the tech side is a nightmare over there, right? And then in the other side, right, it's just the Stone Age, pretty much.
• 1:29:20
  Phil: Kind of, but at the same time, like, it's… that's the thing, is that, like.
• 1:29:25
  Phil: And I know that there were a couple depictions of Luddites, but I think, like, Most of…
• 1:29:34
  Phil: Like, that's the thing, is that I… Yeah Those…
• 1:29:37
  Phil: Those people, those characters weren't very much the focus of the book.
• 1:29:43
  Phil: No, like, that's the thing, is that the major happenings going on in that dead zone were the aliens collecting seeds. So.
• 1:29:52
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and I also think that a ton of which side you're on, like, comes down to…
• 1:29:58
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I get the… since we don't actually… like, the people we see on the other side are never the people talked about as being on the other side. Yeah. So, like, I think that there's a certain level where…
• 1:30:15
  Tad Eggleston: Being on the other side might just mean having run away and or committed suicide.
• 1:30:22
  Tad Eggleston: Like, like to actually be a Luddite.
• 1:30:28
  Tad Eggleston: And survive requires a certain, like, the decision is probably based way more on, on what your skills and resources are.
• 1:30:39
  Tad Eggleston: Then, strictly…
• 1:30:42
  Tyler Johnson: Choice.
• 1:30:42
  Tad Eggleston: Wow.
• 1:30:43
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:30:44
  Phil: I think so. I think that's a good.
• 1:30:46
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:30:49
  Phil: What was the other, piece that we hadn't touched on, aside from the,
• 1:30:54
  Tad Eggleston: No, the first piece was talking about the press and the idea seeds. Oh, okay. And the second piece was the talent.
• 1:31:02
  Phil: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Okay.
• 1:31:05
  Tad Eggleston: Down.
• 1:31:05
  Phil: Just wanted to make sure we got your points out.
• 1:31:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, those are my big ones to add.
• 1:31:11
  Tyler Johnson: You think.
• 1:31:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I like.
• 1:31:12
  Tyler Johnson: Alien.
• 1:31:12
  Tad Eggleston: It's.
• 1:31:13
  Tyler Johnson: What do you think the aliens actually think of us, right? Because they aren't here to conquer or destroy us.
• 1:31:20
  Tad Eggleston: Again, I'm not certain that they'.
• 1:31:22
  Phil: So.
• 1:31:22
  Tad Eggleston: are aliens.
• 1:31:24
  Phil: Yeah, that. So, okay, so like, so two things. One, in our world, I am of the position that mathematically aliens are out there, but I won't be convinced.
• 1:31:36
  Tad Eggleston: Are they out there?
• 1:31:39
  Tad Eggleston: Now.
• 1:31:42
  Tad Eggleston: Mathematically, there's almost certainly life… there's almost certainly… B.
• 1:31:50
  Tyler Johnson: You know.
• 1:31:50
  Tad Eggleston: Or will be, like…
• 1:31:52
  Tyler Johnson: More or less.
• 1:31:53
  Tad Eggleston: universe other than us.
• 1:31:55
  Phil: Sure.
• 1:31:55
  Tad Eggleston: But since since you've got that dimension of time as well. Mhmm.
• 1:32:00
  Phil: Right, right.
• 1:32:01
  Tad Eggleston: Stay alive now.
• 1:32:03
  Phil: Yes, and that's… and that's… that's the… that… and even if they're alive now
• 1:32:07
  Phil: Where is the contact? I am going to be distrustful of any narrative of extraterrestrial contact that comes from a government and is not self-verifiable.
• 1:32:20
  Tyler Johnson: Correct. Right. The contact part. But like just based as far as the question of are they alive now? Sure. There are tens of billions of stars out there with the correct planet placement to allow life to form.
• 1:32:39
  Phil: Oh.
• 1:32:39
  Tyler Johnson: But as far as like distance, if we want to talk that and time, they'll dive.
• 1:32:45
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:32:45
  Tyler Johnson: They get here unless they've got some kind of
• 1:32:48
  Tyler Johnson: propulsion system that gets them here way faster. Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Phil: Oh yeah, so I think, and even in the context of this story, I mean, like.
• 1:33:01
  Phil: My my here's the thing. If if the aliens are actually aliens, then.
• 1:33:08
  Phil: They're they're terrible. They're just like us. They're they're the the ones that are on this planet are clearly just just criminals, you know, very understandable.
• 1:33:18
  Phil: However, if the aliens are not extraterrestrials and they're actually just like genetically modified people from that megacorp that are on some kind of secret mission, that is a lot more fascinating to me and opens up a lot more potential of like what kind of people they could actually be.
• 1:33:36
  Tyler Johnson: Correct.
• 1:33:37
  Phil: You know,
• 1:33:39
  Phil: Because, like… I'm gonna…
• 1:33:42
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they're also terrible people.
• 1:33:44
  Phil: I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna.
• 1:33:46
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna reread it with that perspective in mind, because I wasn't reading it that way, you know?
• 1:33:50
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 1:33:51
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and, and like, I, like, I, I always find myself going back and forth as I read it.
• 1:33:59
  Phil: Mmhm.
• 1:34:01
  Tad Eggleston: And and what I think.
• 1:34:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. That's a great book, though.
• 1:34:08
  Tyler Johnson: So.
• 1:34:08
  Tad Eggleston: So, like…
• 1:34:11
  Tyler Johnson: Phil, this is a good gift for sure.
• 1:34:13
  Phil: Thank you.
• 1:34:15
  Phil: it's meaty. But, but yeah, I mean, and that's, that's.
• 1:34:21
  Phil: This is one of the only Dark Horse Karen Berger books I've read.
• 1:34:25
  Phil: Oh, wait, no, I've read she could fly. Okay, so that's.
• 1:34:29
  Tad Eggleston: Well, which is just like.
• 1:34:33
  Tad Eggleston: Crazy… weird to me, because, like…
• 1:34:46
  Tad Eggleston: I would think that that the burger line would have been one that you would have.
• 1:34:53
  Tyler Johnson: Follow.
• 1:34:53
  Tad Eggleston: And so…
• 1:34:54
  Phil: That's the thing.
• 1:34:55
  Phil: this… this… the start of it, it would have been. But also, when the start of this was coming out, that was the point where my comics collecting started to condense and protract.
• 1:35:06
  Phil: Where I had to start cutting, yeah, so I had to start cutting a bunch of books. This… there were only a couple that I kept up on, you know, and I was having to go down from reading, like, you know, 10 books a week to 10 books a month.
• 1:35:20
  Tad Eggleston: Gotcha.
• 1:35:21
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:35:22
  Phil: So there's a lot to for me to go back to and discover, that's for sure.
• 1:35:27
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
• 1:35:29
  Tad Eggleston: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 1:35:31
  Phil: Thank you.
• 1:35:33
  Tad Eggleston: That makes more sense.
• 1:35:35
  Tyler Johnson: Well, guys, that was, a good, a good, run through kind of better than a lot of the books we've, we've read. We're like, Phil, you and I are really like, nope, this is what I think.
• 1:35:45
  Phil: And then Tad comes in with the absolute curveball at the end there. I'm like, oh sh.
• 1:35:49
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, that's.
• 1:35:50
  Phil: Really great observation there, yeah.
• 1:35:51
  Tyler Johnson: True, fine.
• 1:35:53
  Phil: Yeah, okay.
• 1:35:55
  Tyler Johnson: But it was a good time. What do you guys want to read for next week? Or should we talk about that off the air?
• 1:36:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, why don't we talk about that off the air this time? Let's, let's, let's wrap up.
• 1:36:07
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 1:36:08
  Tad Eggleston: Umm.
• 1:36:10
  Tyler Johnson: All right.
• 1:36:11
  Tad Eggleston: Talks, talks, some spec.
• 1:36:13
  Tad Eggleston: Spectacular books.
• 1:36:15
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:36:15
  Tad Eggleston: books we hope will be well actually no we're going to start with some spectacular books because because there are three
• 1:36:22
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely spectacular books coming out next week.
• 1:36:27
  Tad Eggleston: The Beast Borken No. 1 from Julio Anta and Daniel Irizarry is just…
• 1:36:35
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it's, cryptid mixed with, with real life hurricane.
• 1:36:43
  Tad Eggleston: stuff in Puerto Rico,
• 1:36:48
  Tad Eggleston: The first issue doesn't have the Donald throwing paper towels, but you can feel it either coming or in the background.
• 1:36:59
  Tad Eggleston: Declaration Emancipation Illustrated from R. Sikoriak at Drawn and Quarterly. Is everything bit as good as Constitution Illustrated?
• 1:37:09
  Tad Eggleston: And the two of them are coming up.
• 1:37:12
  Tad Eggleston: for our next, Joy, Resistance, Hope, and Survival book club, and then Starhenge book two, A Kiss for Atticus, number one, from Liam Sharp at Image, is every bit as good as…
• 1:37:28
  Tad Eggleston: Book 1 and the novella Ore. I'm so happy to have more Starhenge. Books I hope will be spectacular. The conclusion of Absolute Martian Manhunter
• 1:37:40
  Tad Eggleston: Issue number 12 from Dennis Camp and Javier Rodriguez at DC Comics. The City Beneath Her Feet number 3 from James Tynion IV and Elsa Shardy A at Distillery, also the conclusion. And the…
• 1:37:53
  Tad Eggleston: inaugural issue of…
• 1:37:55
  Tad Eggleston: 100 Bullets of the U.S. of Anger from Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Rizzo at DC Vertigo. Yeah.
• 1:38:07
  Tad Eggleston: Some cool, cool, collections of graphic novels as well, but we'll, we'll throw it to, Phil, for his giant-sized.
• 1:38:15
  Phil: train winger.
• 1:38:16
  Tad Eggleston: Graphic novel. This pic…
• 1:38:19
  Phil: is going to be Get Jiro, the Complete Collection by Anthony Bourdain, Joel Rose, and Langdon Foss over at Vertigo. That was a book that I would be very interested because I like Foss's art. Anthony Bourdain's a super cool dude, but I have not. So the Complete Collection would be a great time.
• 1:38:39
  Tyler Johnson: It's cool, I just received mine. Nice!
• 1:38:42
  Tyler Johnson: for, I mean, not my personal life, for my store, and I thumbed through it, it's really good.
• 1:38:47
  Phil: Nice, heck yeah.
• 1:38:49
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 1:38:50
  Tyler Johnson: All right, guys, I think that is it, unless you guys have anything left you want to get in before we wrap it up.
• 1:39:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Nope.
• 1:39:02
  Tyler Johnson: Okay. All right, guys.
• 1:39:03
  Tad Eggleston: We're good.
• 1:39:04
  Tyler Johnson: All right, guys. Thanks for listening. And we will catch you guys after the next page. See ya.