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Patriots Unfiltered 1/14: Coordinator Candidates, Offseason Outlook, Wild Dud Weekend · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: we should think if we get to him and some
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  Speaker 2: anecdotes that you know happened when we were here, like hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know you remember this or that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't necessarily need to go on that rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever have any like like fun interactions with him?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a lot of fine terms. It was
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  Speaker 3: always the butt of his jokes. It wasn't like he
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  Speaker 3: picked on me. He picked on everybody, including built here.
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  Speaker 2: It comes. Okay, bring him in, don't be nervous, let's go.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: You've done before.
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  Speaker 6: Retirement.
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  Speaker 3: I've been billing you as the professional ballbuster, and of
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  Speaker 3: course you come in shooting.
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  Speaker 2: So my first question to you is what gets served
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  Speaker 2: at lunch to the new head coach of.
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  Speaker 7: The knowing the Patriots chicken salad?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, we had our first sit down with
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  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel. I hope it's not our last.
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  Speaker 3: I say, probably the last. Ye Fred and I were
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  Speaker 3: trying to explain to before the press conference what his Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Rabel is like.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: No, he came right in, firing rockets right off the bat,
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  Speaker 2: making fun of us.
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  Speaker 3: That's a professional ball buster. Yeah, Shady Acres Retirement Home.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at j A Let's Stadium, day two of the Mike
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  Speaker 2: Vrabel regime.
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  Speaker 3: We got a lot of mileage out of that Shady
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  Speaker 3: Acres Retirement home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That that got a lot of traffic yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff.
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  Speaker 8: In the butt of the joke, we're welcome out.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we we we sold him as a ball buster,
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  Speaker 2: and the first thing he did is busted our balls.
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  Speaker 3: And I really liked and we we clipped off the
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  Speaker 3: part or someone clipped off the part anyway of Evans,
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  Speaker 3: you know, recommendation of power. Yeah, and I thought that
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people people don't some people people don't
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  Speaker 3: know ball.
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  Speaker 2: They don't think that you were genuine. They can't believe
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  Speaker 2: like you didn't mention mesh.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's that's not a run play. That's also
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  Speaker 3: fred right, Well you can have the mesh point on
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  Speaker 3: the zone read.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 5: Yea as a play, as as a name of passing concept.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people, you know, were, oh, that's the
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  Speaker 5: best you could come up with. Well, I didn't want
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  Speaker 5: to come out and be like, you know, something like
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  Speaker 5: ridiculous and have him be like okay, buddy, like calm down.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was hoping for. I wanted good will hunting.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted Puerto Rico. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I'm going to stick
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  Speaker 5: to the tried and true, one of the best plays
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  Speaker 5: in ball power.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you hindled it really well. I have to
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  Speaker 3: be honest with you, and as you know, I would
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  Speaker 3: say so if I didn't believe.
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  Speaker 5: That, that's that's why it means a lot coming down.
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  Speaker 8: It should that's well, then it gets spun into we're
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  Speaker 8: bringing the full back back like he just was apparently
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  Speaker 8: what you said.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see someone's actually Mike Rabel said they're bringing
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  Speaker 3: a full backround. That's not what he said. Multiple people
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  Speaker 3: would have said.
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  Speaker 2: They're bringing back Yakub Johnson.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm okay, we can you know, they can speculate
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  Speaker 5: all they want.
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  Speaker 2: But it was fun. It was fun to do that.
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  Speaker 2: It was a good day. Yesterday. I was talking to
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  Speaker 2: somebody in the media and they said, it just felt
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  Speaker 2: like football's back, you know, in the building. It's a
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  Speaker 2: good feeling after.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good day, I mean for us, especially because
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  Speaker 3: he came by and gave us ten minutes or fifteen minutes,
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was. But yeah, I mean, I think listening
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  Speaker 3: to him talk about accountability and you know, talking about
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  Speaker 3: the sense of entitlement that might have existed, I think
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be some changes. I think it was a
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  Speaker 3: good day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned yesterday. Maybe I had known it and
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  Speaker 2: I forgot, but he's an only child. I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know it either.
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  Speaker 4: I did.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 8: No, it's kind of surprising because I feel like that.
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  Speaker 8: His attitude kind of reeks of brothers. Yeah, just constantly
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  Speaker 8: harassing each other, usually only kids.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, like growing up? Was he just like
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  Speaker 2: making fun of his parents? How did that work?
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  Speaker 3: So?
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  Speaker 2: Butday, I thought that was interesting, Not that all only
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  Speaker 2: children are the same, but he thought enough to say that.
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  Speaker 2: He was like he thought it had an effect on
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  Speaker 2: his childhood and growing up.
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  Speaker 3: So I was one of three kids. I was spoiled.
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  Speaker 2: I did know that me too. I did know that
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  Speaker 2: both his parents were educators. I knew that from when
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  Speaker 2: he was here. So good stuff. Yeah, all right. So
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  Speaker 2: now now he's got to get down to business, and
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  Speaker 2: the coordinator search has started. I'm guessing they're gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: to quite a few people on both sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't get the impression it was going to be
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  Speaker 3: done quickly.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, yeah, that's it. Nobody has somebody worn out
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  Speaker 2: from yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Or we talked about a lot of the possibilities, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Evan put a post up on pages dot com today. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: maybe yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Very nice to me today, Paul, Well, I mean it
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  Speaker 5: is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: You did it right, I mean I would say, Mike
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  Speaker 3: did it.
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  Speaker 5: I pointed Anna, like he's he's he's working something up.
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  Speaker 8: I'm going I'm still going to at the defensive siety.
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  Speaker 2: He's grinding guys defense. But I mean, I will say everything.
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  Speaker 2: You got that with the mind hand. But I do think.
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  Speaker 8: Everyone's focused on the offense, and you guys know me,
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  Speaker 8: I like I like the defensive side of the ball
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  Speaker 8: a little bit. So it's, uh, it's been fun this morning.
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  Speaker 8: I've just been jumping into Tennessee and seeing, you know,
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  Speaker 8: just sematically what they did, and you know, we'll live
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  Speaker 8: with what their philosophies are. And I just, yeah, I wonder,
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  Speaker 8: I wonder what he's you know, gonna do. Certainly a
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  Speaker 8: huge influence of Romeo Crnell and danps which were you know,
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  Speaker 8: both guys that were defensive coordinators here.
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  Speaker 2: So I like what he said on THEEI today the
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  Speaker 2: best because they asked them, you know, people afraid you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be grounded practice. Our best player was Derrick Henry.
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  Speaker 2: What else are we gonna do? Yeah, that's perfect, That's
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  Speaker 2: exactly the answer I'm looking for. Draft another J. Brown like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, find out who your best players are and
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  Speaker 2: you taylor your offense around them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you hear that sort of thing from an
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  Speaker 5: offensive perspective, it just screams Josh McDaniels to me, like
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  Speaker 5: a guy that has the birth and the knowledge to
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  Speaker 5: if we're good at this, we'll do this. If we're
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  Speaker 5: good at that, we'll do that. And a lot of
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  Speaker 5: these guys that come up, they're they're one system guys,
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  Speaker 5: right like you're you're an outside zone team, or you're
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  Speaker 5: you know, you're a spread team or whatever. Well, maybe
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots don't have the speed to be a spread team,
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  Speaker 5: you know, maybe they don't have the offensive line to
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  Speaker 5: be a zone blocking team. You know, how can you adjust?
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  Speaker 5: And I always felt like McDaniels, it was really good
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  Speaker 5: at the ebbs and flows of this is what we're
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  Speaker 5: good at. This is what's working today. You know, just
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  Speaker 5: going back to the last Super Bowl, he ran the
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  Speaker 5: same play three times in a row to get it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if you can't stop it, we're just gonna
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  Speaker 5: keep running it, you know. And I don't think he's
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  Speaker 5: afraid to do that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So would you say that? And I'm gonna be careful
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  Speaker 2: what I say here. That compared to Tom Brady, it's
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  Speaker 2: a more open book in terms of the playbook with
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  Speaker 2: Drake May like you can do more things.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: more schematically on the menu because the quarterback is a
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  Speaker 5: dual threat, right, so you know that ability to.
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  Speaker 2: Run are the things you can't do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that you don't want to put as
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  Speaker 5: much on the quarterback mentally at the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 5: like they had on Brady. That'd be one question with
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  Speaker 5: Josh is you know, or you can have him making
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  Speaker 5: all the calls and the checks and all the protections
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  Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff, or are you gonna,
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  Speaker 5: you know, give that maybe to David Andrews or you know,
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  Speaker 5: how are you going to pass that sort of thing?
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  Speaker 5: But in terms of what's available to him, I mean
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  Speaker 5: they weren't running zone reads with Tom Brady. They weren't
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  Speaker 5: moving the pocket, you know, on bootlegs and things like
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  Speaker 5: that with Tom Brady. So as much as Brady did
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  Speaker 5: a million things, well he also you know, had limitations
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  Speaker 5: athletically and now you won't.
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  Speaker 2: So is it to me like whatever the playbook was
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  Speaker 2: with Tom, throw it out, throw it out and start
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  Speaker 2: fresh with this guy. Yeah, you know, And if McDaniels
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  Speaker 2: can do that great. Great. The thing you know everybody's
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  Speaker 2: worried about is he's going to be a holdover from
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  Speaker 2: those days. I think a good a good coordinator, a
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  Speaker 2: good coach worth assault has to look at the players
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  Speaker 2: he has and and start there.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well you think of Josh looking at what Drake
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  Speaker 8: can do. I mean he wants I mean, if it
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  Speaker 8: was to be him, he would be excited, right like.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you've got a kid who's got everything on
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  Speaker 8: the plate for you, whatever you want to try to do.
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  Speaker 8: You know, you've had some time to reflect. Now we
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  Speaker 8: talked about, you know, him making the rounds about college.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm sure there are some, you know, new
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  Speaker 8: things that he wants to do. The famous story of
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  Speaker 8: bn O seven, how we you know, took things to
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  Speaker 8: a different level when they got Moss and all those receivers.
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  Speaker 8: But I think Josh has grown on me a little
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  Speaker 8: bit more. Not that I was ever off at Josh.
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  Speaker 8: I was just kind of like, I love Josh, that'd
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  Speaker 8: be great, but I'd love to see what's out there.
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  Speaker 8: I just a little bit of concern with are we
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  Speaker 8: going to have a first time coordinator again? And some
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  Speaker 8: of the growing pains we saw with play calling with
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  Speaker 8: Alex van Pelt last year, where you know he was
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  Speaker 8: one of you know, first to admit some of the
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  Speaker 8: mistakes some of the play calls he wants to have back.
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  Speaker 8: You know, that's just what's best for Drake. And there's
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  Speaker 8: just something appealing about Josh of he knows what he's doing. Yes,
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  Speaker 8: there might be some change from the offenses which could
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  Speaker 8: complicate things a little bit, and I think, you know,
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  Speaker 8: it's something to consider it, but you also that he's
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  Speaker 8: probably here for the long haul. He's really gonna you know,
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  Speaker 8: could potentially just be that guy that cements the offense
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  Speaker 8: down and you know, sticks with Drake and and really
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  Speaker 8: makes that like the second part of his legacy here
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  Speaker 8: in New England is you know coming back and you know,
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  Speaker 8: making that whole thing continue to grow from ounce m Pelt.
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  Speaker 8: I just I'm a little bit concerned with some of
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  Speaker 8: these new offensive coordinators if there would be some growing
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  Speaker 8: pains and things that we'd have to be like, look,
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  Speaker 8: it's you know, Tommy Reese, it's his first time. He's
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  Speaker 8: you know, he's he's gonna get it, but we need
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  Speaker 8: to you know, give him some landing strip to get
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  Speaker 8: you know used to it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent on that. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it's a young quarterback that it still needs developing. Like
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  Speaker 5: Drake's not a finished product. You're going to hand him
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  Speaker 5: over to Tommy Reese who's thirty two years old, and
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  Speaker 5: you're going to have the franchise basically in his hands, uh,
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  Speaker 5: to continue his development. If it's a guy like Tommy Reaves,
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  Speaker 5: even a guy like Josh McCown who might have a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more of an NFL resume, I still would
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  Speaker 5: really like to see some sort of senior offensive assistant
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  Speaker 5: hired to pair with that player, maybe to call plays,
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  Speaker 5: but to just be there and make sure that things
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  Speaker 5: are the way that they should be. So so, I
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  Speaker 5: mean I was talking to you guys about this yesterday
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  Speaker 5: a little bit after the show like that, to me,
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  Speaker 5: if you're gonna keep Tommy Reese, I would go to
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  Speaker 5: Alex van Pell and I make a pitch. We're gonna
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  Speaker 5: need the same salary we're gonna but you're just not
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  Speaker 5: gonna be the play caller and we're gonna give Tommy
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  Speaker 5: res is gonna be the offensive coordinator. You're gonna be
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  Speaker 5: the senior offensive assistant slash quarterbacks coach, and we're just
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  Speaker 5: gonna have you keep doing your work with Drake and
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  Speaker 5: keep on doing what you guys are doing. Reese was
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  Speaker 5: just in Cleveland, so it's he knows the system. We're
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  Speaker 5: not going to change the system. We just need somebody
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  Speaker 5: that can live in it up a little bit, that
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  Speaker 5: can be a little bit more creative with the play
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  Speaker 5: design and maybe you know that would be Tommy Reese.
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  Speaker 5: And then Van Pell keeps drilling the fundamentals and the base.
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  Speaker 3: He's still here. That's a serious question.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't heard he's gone. Yeah, they don't really announce
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  Speaker 2: when coaches go like that, but I think don't they
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  Speaker 2: all have contracts at all end on a certain day
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  Speaker 2: or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it depends on when their contracts.
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  Speaker 2: Is the first day of the new season or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: It's a weird situation all around. It's just some of
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  Speaker 8: those guys that were there yesterday watching you just wonder
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  Speaker 8: like were they in the building. Did they just like
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  Speaker 8: realize I should probably be there and you know, put
• 12:51
  Speaker 8: some FaceTime in with the new coach. Like It's just
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  Speaker 8: it doesn't really happen in other businesses. It's like you're
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  Speaker 8: kind of in or you're out. You don't get left
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  Speaker 8: in limbo often where you don't really know if you
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  Speaker 8: have a job or not. You can still go to
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  Speaker 8: the office, but in a week you might be gone
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  Speaker 8: or you might be around, still work on the PESTI file.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you did there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So, I mean I get that. I
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  Speaker 2: kind of agree having someone a little bit more seasoned experience,
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  Speaker 2: but sure, working with Drake and I think, you know, Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to get a sense that they're looking the
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  Speaker 2: same way. Now. They have interest in Mike McCary now
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  Speaker 2: that he's available, and you know, they've got a young
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  Speaker 2: quarterback as well that they have to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: they handle the correct way. And you know that quarterback
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit more I think immature than our quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: But the point is it can't hurt to have that
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  Speaker 2: maturity with a young quarterback. I mean, I'd love to
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  Speaker 2: hear it's the case for Josh.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I'd love to hear from somebody like Alex
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  Speaker 8: Van Pelt of just you know, in a bubble, like
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  Speaker 8: what's the difference between taking a rookie quarterback and all
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  Speaker 8: the things that you're going to try to do with
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  Speaker 8: him in camp and getting them ready, and then you know,
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  Speaker 8: in year two, what are the next steps in quarterback
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  Speaker 8: development as far as you know his experience, what are
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  Speaker 8: the big things? You know, I'm sure you continue to
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  Speaker 8: drill footwork, you know. I don't know, It's just something
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  Speaker 8: that's interesting to me. I loved hearing from Alex van
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  Speaker 8: Pelt last year. I just I would not be opposed
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  Speaker 8: to keeping him around. I don't know if it makes
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  Speaker 8: sense with Josh if the offense kind of shifts, But
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  Speaker 8: like Evan laid out, I just I thought, like what
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  Speaker 8: we heard from Babel the last day, we're right, we're
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  Speaker 8: talking football again. Like I kind of felt like that
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  Speaker 8: with Alex van Pelt this year, Like you know, it
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  Speaker 8: just felt like a football guy and he was, you know,
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  Speaker 8: pretty much an open book. And he did a good
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  Speaker 8: job last year. I think he did a pretty good job.
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  Speaker 8: And I just I don't I don't see the need
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  Speaker 8: to kick him to the curb too. He's, you know,
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  Speaker 8: one of the only guys that I felt like last year,
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  Speaker 8: you really, you know, enjoyed listening to and and and
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  Speaker 8: you saw progress on the field with his players. So
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  Speaker 8: I don't know, I just I wouldn't be so fast.
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  Speaker 8: Just no, of course not.
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  Speaker 2: I think what's more important having the perfect OC or
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  Speaker 2: just getting more talent on offense?
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  Speaker 7: I would say talent, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's gonna be hard for any offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 5: to have a productive offense with the offensive line play
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  Speaker 5: that they had last year. Like if that's if you
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  Speaker 5: can give that to Andy Reid, and I think that
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  Speaker 5: he would have some some issues with that offensive line,
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  Speaker 5: so you have to It starts there, like if you
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: got to be able to protect the quarterback and you
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: got to be able to run the ball a little bit.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: If you can do that, then that opens up so
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: many opportunities for the coordinator in terms of play calling.
• 15:22
  Speaker 5: If you're always constantly behind the eight ball there, and
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: it's it's difficult to really scheme offense when your quarterback
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: has no time to sit back there, Like how were
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: you supposed to design routes to get guys open with
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: scheme that take three three and a half seconds when
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: you have two and a half. You know it, just
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: there's no way to do it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: Our listeners are really good at coming up with examples,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Like I'm just trying to think off the top of
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: my head of a team that had a lot of
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: really good talent on offense.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: But the court just couldn't handle it, just.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Was unproductive, Like the coordinator stunk, like he was calling
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: you know, he had a reputation for not getting much.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there are examples of maybe teams
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: that underachieved, but like to answer the question, I think
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: talent is probably.
• 16:09
  Speaker 8: I mean in Buffalo a couple years ago.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Were seeing in Buffalo, but even then, like, yeah, I mean,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good example. And it's funny because
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: we were talking about that this morning. Like my feeling
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: is on the whole coordinator thing. And I'd be fine
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: with Josh because I love Josh. I would I'd look
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: at it as an opportunity to hit a home run
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: and hope that one of these young guys, you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I would go to McVeigh and I would look for
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the next guy from McVeigh, like a quarterbacks coach David
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Gohan or someone you know, former Louisville quarterback I think
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: is on his passing passing game coordinator or a quarterbacks coach.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Something like that's the next thing. And you got to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: hope that you find it. There's a risk because you
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: do have a young quarterback. And I understand everything that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: evand and Mike said about Josh with Drake May that
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I couldn't possibly come up with one thing to argue
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: with that. They're exactly right. You have a young quarterback
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: and experienced, you know hand that knows how to do this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I think Josh will be fine with with Drake May.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I just wonder if you might be able to get
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: more if you really hit that home run with the
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: next big thing, you know, the tight pants guy. Yeah,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: you know, And I don't know, you know, if that's
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Tommy Reese, I don't know, if it's I would go
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: to McVeigh. I think mcveigh's sort of, you know, the
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Nick Cayley's of the world. These guys seem like they
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: have it. Like let's just say, for argument's sake, this
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: is something Mike and I talked about this morning. If
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: you had Tommy Reese and he comes in and you're like, well,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: then you're gonna lose him in two years? What that
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: means as a thirty two year old guy, he knocked
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: it out of the park, right. If you lose him
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: in two years and now I'm not as worried about
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: replacing him because Drake May has established a level. Yeah,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: you know, And I think this is how we got
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: on the Ken Dorsey thing ev because we were saying,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: like Josh Allen is now o C proof like he
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: had a bad offensive coordinator in Ken Dorsey. It didn't
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: prevent Buffalo from scoring a lot of points and winning
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of games. They just weren't as productive as
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: they should have been, which showed when Joe Brady replaced
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Dorsey and they went to a different level. And now
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: this year they've far exceeded even that. So if Tommy
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Rees came and you got two really good years out
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: of him and he went became a head coach somewhere,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: that's a good thing.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: That means it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Worn't to go back to your you know question about
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: finding examples of you know, good offense with a coordinator
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: that was holding him back. I think Mossi is a
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: good one. All you need to really look at is
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the times where current ocs were stripped of their play
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: calling duties by the head coach. And there's a lot
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: But the good offenses, well, that's what I'm saying like.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Buffalo, like the Jets on paper like should have been
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a better offense. They weren't, right, so that's it. Or
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: you know, I always look at like the Chargers, you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: with like Herber had good numbers, but they weren't winning
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: football games. So it was not a team that was
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: underperforming based off the talent, because I.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Would say that the Jets definitely have more. Now we
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: all know why they didn't score more. The quarterback was
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: kind of washed. But the Jets are a good example.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: The Chargers, I think have a quarterback and a perception.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Evan and I talk about this all the time. People
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: think the Chargers have more talent than they do in
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: my in my view, in an Evans view, they're good,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: but they're not, you know, one of these elite and
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: you know, I think Lad McConkey has given them promise
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: that maybe they're starting to get some of these weapons.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: You know, Johnston's been you know, mid at best. You know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a complete bust. I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: he had like eight hundred yards and eight touchdowns. You know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: maybe that's not a bust per se, but certainly not
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: what they were hoping for the first round pick, but
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: not what they were looking for from a first round pick.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: He drops a lot of passes. I just don't know
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: that they have a tremendous amount of skill around Herbert.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You know that said you know, I know you want
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: to talk about the weekends games too, as.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: We want to get into that as you move along.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Herbert just flat out did not play well in that game.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: After a great start, he went, he went in the tank.
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: What about the what about the Ravens, what they've kind
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: of done with you know, Monkin and Greg Roman and
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: how they've kind of adjusted their offense on the floor.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: That's that's over the last decade. That's the biggest offensive
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: story in the league. How they took a risk on
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a guy who a lot of people said isn't suited
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: for the NFL, transformed their offense completely, completely overhauled it
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and it worked. And it took to me, it took
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of courage to do that. In today's NFL.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: They they identified, you know with Roman. He obviously did
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: it with Kaepernick in San Francisco, and he did it
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: at the college level. So he was running that style
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: of offense where they're running quarterback a decade ago. So
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: they brought in a guy that specialized specifically in that
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: sort of thing. And then eventually with Monkin, like Lamar
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: outgrew it, like he became such a better passer than
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: maybe anybody had anticipated that, they said, Okay, we need
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: to put more on his plate in the dropback game
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: because right now he's not there's not enough that we
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: can call that will allow him to be you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: to be an MVP. So they added all that stuff in,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: but they started with the baseline of what Roman installed,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: right with the design quarterback runs and all that kind
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: of stuff. But you know, it's cyclical, like that stuff is.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: It's all wing tea like it's all you know, like
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: it was at what like Navy football was doing a
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: hundred years ago, and then it just it all cycles
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: back in when you have the right talent and the
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: right I mean.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago where NFL you know, experts
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: were like, you know, running quarterback, you know that's the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: last thing you want. You want a guy in a pocket.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: You know, you're absolutely right, and that the fact that
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: it worked has paved the weight. I mean, like Jayden Daniels,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to be
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the second overall pick. Yeah, if it wasn't for the
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: success that Lamar Jackson.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Now you almost need it, like you need your quarterback
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: to have not necessarily be as good of a runner
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: as Lamar, but if you have a stationary quarterback, you're
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: at a huge disadvantage. Now, like everybody can move a
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: little bit.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, defenses are faster, they figure out how to draw pressure.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: They take more risks than I think they used to.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the game has changed for time. You
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: mentioned it cyclical. I mean twenty years from now, you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: when I'm you know, long gone, They they could be
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: it could be back to uh, you know, pocket passing,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: but who knows.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: It's just really cool to me, like that part of
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: it because a lot of what they're doing with Lamar
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: is the veer, and like the vier was. You're running
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: the veer in the forties, right, like you know, you're
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: talking about you know, triple option like type of stuff,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: and now they're doing that now and everybody's like, whoa,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: this is so new and cool. It's like no, this
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: was just all like put in in the back burner.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: But the Greeks were running literally like you know, they.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: They've been running the veer since football was an organized sport,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: you know, and they that's what you know, counter bashes
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: veer like, that's that's what they do in Baltimore.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Get Rabel back in here. We want to talk some ball.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: I do think those are good examples though, of that
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: when you do change offensive coordinators, it doesn't have to
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: be a blow up restart, like especially when you have
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: a really good quarterback that you'll you know, install enough
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: of a baseline that you can build on it and
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: you know, take the Lamar Jackson offense to a different level,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: or take the Josh Allen offense to a different level.
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: Brian Dable kind of establishes this thing, and you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: as you get more experience, you're able to do more things.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully Vrabel's not just building this level of the coaching,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but he's building this level. So when this level goes
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: there's a natural ascension of people who have been in
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the system know the team and that's what builded So, uh,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you successfully do.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: You guys have a sense of that though in like
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: the early two thousands that we have a lot of
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: good young coaches.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You had no idea you didn't know that, but we did. Yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: like they just didn't. You don't realize, like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Head coaches were making coffies with you guys.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: The kids from you know, some mining like school.
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: Flow, what is that flow making coffies with you guys Like.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Well, No and McDaniels. Absolutely, they were just kids. And
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I told you I did a huge story on them
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and no like friends right like they were. They were there.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But you have no idea if they're good, you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: how much talent they have, how much potential that they
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: offer until they get thrust into a world.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And what we didn't know how much of football university
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: they were being put through. Like the stuff that they
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: were doing we would look at as like really menial things,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: but by doing that, they were learning, they were absorbing
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: they you know, they were coming up through the ranks.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And Bill liked that because that's how he did it,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, sleeping on the floor and in
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Baltimore for twenty five dollars a week and you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: learning all that story go into that a little bit,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: learning all the different positions and you know, special teams,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and that's how he liked his coaches learning. Now, you
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: don't have the time anymore. You know, it's just not
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: enough time to to bring up a coach the way
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: he was brought up.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: It's gonna be hard to with more techology. And you know, well,
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: I want you to write it out by hand and
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: be like, but Bill like this program, right, you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: But did you guys sense though that some of those guys,
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: even though you didn't know their potential, that they were
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: in hell and that they were always here and oh yeah,
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: you know, oh yeah, into the.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: To you a point about writing that stuff out. That's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: what it was stable specifically it was Josh and it
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: was a story on Josh and Brian. But I talked
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: more to Brian about that. That's what they were doing
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: patting place. Yeah, and like they had and that's the
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: way Bill wanted it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Also write out your calls, like your core calls,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: because coaches think that you remember remember it better by
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: writing it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I know I did when I was studying for a test.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: If you wrote it, you know, if you wrote your
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: cheat sheet, you ended up kind of learning by creating
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the cheat sheet.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely right.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Flash cards.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I tell you how many times I did that. I
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: was like, if I had just and then I would
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: go oh, I was just study in the first place.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I stress out. But that's what I would do. I
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: would write these little sheets out and I'd be like, oh,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: now I know it. I don't really need it. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: just wrote it out. Now I know it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a big deal made it last night because
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Sean mcvay's play sheet was on the screen for a second.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Everybody screen grabs it and he writes out by hand
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: his his script, his opening script. He writes it by hand,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: and all the coaches were like, oh, that's what that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: why he's the best. Like, that's what you gotta do.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: You gotta write it out by hand.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And you know, but I was actually thinking of, uh,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you know, because you talk about patting plays, and I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: was thinking that there's there's going to be an AI
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: tool that you know, by the number of the jersey
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: or whatever. You just sick this tool on every play
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and it pads out every play for you, like in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: in seconds.
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You know. It's like.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you mu on the road, you must
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: sit next to Evan, right, No, no, no, Evan does
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: this on like he goes right onto the next gen.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Like when it was doing it during the game. This
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. Think, yeah, next to the game,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I see him with his little thing.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Like so like and it's not every play, but what
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: are you doing over there?
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: He's got the screen a little leave, a little thing.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: He's got this green football fel I see all these
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: dots moving around.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: When when there's a big play or something happens, I know,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: he goes back and he's like, you know, man like this,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: like like the fourth down sack against the Chargers, Oh Drake,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of escaped the pocket. He had Stevenson
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: right up here, you know, like he goes back and
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: he looks right away he does next gen us just watch.
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: That's great and steal Stevens usually usually did he did
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: third downs usually.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I look at every third down. I'm what's going on
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: here because that's really where the scheme stuff is happening, right,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: It's not not so much on the early downs. So
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: it's a it's a great tool. What opportunity for the Patriots.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I'm just looking at the upcoming opponents. The Patriots have
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: an opportunity to have a really good home year next year.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: They do not have a lot of tough home games,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Playoff Giants.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Raiders, you know, Brown Panthers, the teams that they should
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: be able to beat at home. They're not telling you
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: they're gonna win them all. That's what's going to happen here,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: is they're gonna you know that they're five and oh
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: in those games. No, they'll go three and two in
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: those games, in my opinion of two and three in
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: those games. But like they've won like three home games
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: in the last two years combine, there's an opportunity to
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: win three or four home games.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Well, they have. They have a last place record. I know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: that's how you got to last place.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: That's how you got They've had a last place record,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: They've they've had the last play schedule now a couple
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: of years.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: But you're going to have bad teams on Patriots to
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: go undefeated at I think.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Rabel knows that. And he's talking about taking advantage of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: bad football. Yeah, they want to get at least.
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: That good I mean, I love that. That's just the
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: perfect to me, like a perfect first step of like
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: and he said, he's like, I don't even know if
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: we're good enough yet to take advantage of that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: We need to get to the level where we're good
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: enough to take advantage of bad this team last year
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: that they weren't good enough to take advantage because there
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: were plenty of teams were played and it didn't matter.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight five to five pass five hundred
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: is the ace ticket hotline podcasts at Patriots dot com
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: as the email address. Anything else we need to talk about,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: we we are going to talk about the Yeah, mild
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: card weekend.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Uh little.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of disappointing.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: As expected though, I mean, I just think this. I
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: know a lot of people were tweeting the college stuff
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: over the weekend. It's kind of true. There's a big
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: gap even among the good teams. There's a difference between
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Kansas City, Baltimore, and Buffalo and the rest of the
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: AFC playoff teams. Same in the NFC with Detroit and Philly. Yep,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I would say.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's not just Detroit right now. I don't trust
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Phillies offense.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: But Philly's good. Philly has had. They won fourteen games,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and they have a lot of talent on both sides
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: of the ball. Their defense was flying around in that game.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I know that their task was made a lot easier,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: but just the amount of injuries that the Packers had
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: especially receiver. Yeah, Kobe Dean, Yeah, Kobe Dean's hope for
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the year. He's one of those guys he was playing
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: well oh really.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said he could miss the beginning of next season.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Well it's a cold, strange injury, he went host. It
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: could be all, it could be all in next year.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: All Right's well, speaking of coal, we have a coal
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: from Minnesota on the TPX outline. What's up Coal?
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: Hey, how's it going guys? Okay, So, yeah, I'm pretty
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: excited about the news with Brabel Hockeel. Slightly bad for
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: Grod just because he didn't get the whole experience, But
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: I I am not exactly surprised, just because it seems
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: like that's how Robert have to operate, you know, he
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: pulls the trigger when he feels like he needs to.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: Is there any talk or anything about like some of
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: the other staff members on the team, like as far
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: as like wide receiver coach or some of these other
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: guys to help improve some of these other position groups
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: that we have, Like what's up with Wes Welker. Is
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: he's still with Miami?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Is there released? Yeah, he's out there.
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: That is that an option for us? Is that something
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: we can entertain.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, everything's on the table.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Is he any good?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Why was he released?
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: You know, it's a weird one. He uh, because he
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: was getting promoted in my he got promoted to past
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: game specialists and like seemed like he was on a
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: pretty good track there in Miami and then all this
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: this drama with Tyreek.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Kill his past.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: I wonder if Kill was like, he's yeah, maybe I'm
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: just just guessing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, coach Killer, I like that.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, Welker's out there, and like you said, Cole,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: there's opportunity to upgrade in every facet of the organization
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: right now. So my seat's hot, I can tell you
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: that much.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: But thanks for the your seats hot. Then ahead, excuse me.
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: Well, I know we had Troy Brown forever and I
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: just know that we've been talking about, you know, obviously
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: there's a lot to talk about. You know, how do
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: we improve in the draft, how do we you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: how do we evaluate this talent that's coming in. Obviously
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: these last four years, five years, we've been missing left
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: and right, and I mean that's the nature of the NFL.
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: But there's got to be something we can do to
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: get some kind of people in here, you know, even
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: a guy like Wes Falker who knows how to do it,
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: knows how to operate at a high level. I don't
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: know that. There's some talk like with Troy Brown, how
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: maybe he was just one of those guys who was
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: just mover talented, so when it comes to teaching or training,
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: it might be a little harder.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: For him, right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Guys with the high wouldn't fall into that GEMI Toroy
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Brown was an overachieving player, but he had not a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: not an uber talented player. And by the way, Tory
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Brown was not on the coaching staff last year, so
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: he was but not in that role now.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a position coach.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Tyler Hughes was the wide receivers coach.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I just like, I don't have any idea if Wes well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know either, I have no idea.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: He had a good reputation, that's all I can tell you.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: I mean in San Francisco and then McDaniel specifically took
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: him with him from San Francisco to Miami. So I
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: don't know what happened in the end. I'm not down there,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: but yeah, he was on a track, and he's on
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: all these lists of up and coming coaches, and you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Tom Pellisserro releases that list every year and his name
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: was on it, Like so.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I hate those lists.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Well, how do they know? They Oh, that's the game,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: That's how they know.
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: I do wonder though, if there's some come down the
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: pike in the next couple of weeks of a little
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: bit of a Rabel shake up and some kind of
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: move probably not player yet, but some kind of coaching
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: shake up where there's some departures and it starts to
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: take shape that he took inventory of what was going
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: on here and made some tough decisions and is moving on.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: If he's waiting with these teams that are still involved,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I think that's why I don't think it's gonna happen overnight.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be people that they're gonna target,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: probably people you know, and Nevn't had some of these
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: names in his piece on the OC today about you know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: people that he was with in Houston, and you know
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: that he connected at certain times, starting in Houston, ended
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: up in Tennessee. They're scattered around the league now, they're
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: not all not all of them are household names, but
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I would imagine that some of those guys are going
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: to be coming here.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, you have to wait until all
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the teams are done. The real rush now is personnel.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: That's where you're you're you know, you need to get
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: ready because you've got the All Star Games coming up,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the combines coming up, so you need to get ready
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: for that. Players aren't going to be back in the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: building until you know, April March, so your position, coaches,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you have a little bit of time to get that
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: staff ready.
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: One or two on the defensive side of the ball,
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: where last year there was so much continuity that you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: maybe some members of the defense didn't quite feel the
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: change and feel the need to, you know, re earn
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: their jobs per se. You know, like some guys were like, well,
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: you know, I know, I'm here, I'm established kind of
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: the same coaching staff we got. Covington's gonna be the
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: coordinator now, you know. But now where you're looking at
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: probably a good chunk of at least variable being at
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: the top of it. You know, these guys are gonna
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: have to earn their jobs again. And I just, I mean, I.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Think we're all one more entitlement now, you know.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: And looking and going back and looking at the film
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: from last year and saying, this guy, this guy wasn't
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: playing like this. You know, I don't like how this guy,
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: you know, like there's gonna be some things that he said.
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think you said yesterday, Paul, what.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Are you doing with Mike? You grinding him away, grinding
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: the tape over there.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more with them, Like that's what I
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: hope that he's here to do. Yeah, you know, we
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: watched the film and like, this guy, we don't want
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: those types of people.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: And I'm not putting the.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Finger at anybody in particular, but like, we don't want
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: those types of people on this team. Like all this
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: stuff he talked about yesterday about what he expects out
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: of players, You have to then go find players that
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: can embody that and that can provide that kind of leadership.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: And if these guys aren't doing it, then.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I read a headline. I didn't read the story, but
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I read a headline that said no one should be
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: happier among the Patriots and Keon White that Mike Rabel
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: is now the head coach.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Do you agree, well, Kevin said that yesterday. Yeah, I
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: mean he stole it was.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: This was his message to us a couple of weeks
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: ago when he kind of spoke out about the coaching,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: was that he doesn't feel like he was getting hard coaching.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: He didn't feel like he was getting corrected, and he
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: felt like he was developing bad habits and it wasn't
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: being you know, nipped in the butt and fixed. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: he's a second year player, you know, last year it
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: was second year in the league, so I can't expect
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: him to like, you know, be able to have all
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: the answers. And I thought that his whatever you want
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: to call it, his outspokenness was more a cry for
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: help than it was like an outburst, you know, where
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: he was like, I feel myself getting worse and I
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: don't feel like I'm getting the coaching that I need.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: So that's why people are making the jump and saying
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: that he's really gonna like Frable and like this news.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: We were joking around, you know, when that graphic of
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the next the upcoming opponents came up, and you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: like Evan was teasing me like, oh, you know, pulse
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: saying playoffs or whatever. I actually think it could get
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: worse because I think I think he's gonna clear the deck, right.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna look at a lot of the
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: things that Mike and Evan are saying about. You know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: I see this guy not necessarily doing it, and that
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna figure out what he has to
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: keep and everything else is gonna go. Yeah, and he's
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: gonna sort of And I'm not trying to tell people, Oh,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: be prepared for year one. It's not year one of
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the rebuild. I know everybody keeps saying last year it
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: was year one of a rebuild. It wasn't. But I
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: think that he has more of a sort of an
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: idea and understanding of what they need to do to
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: get where he wants to go. And if people are
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: going to be on board with them, then they're going
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: to stay. And that's players, that's coaches, that's personnel department.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's all three of them. Won't be any shortcuts,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: but I don't think they're going to be shortcuts. And
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I and I would be surprised if just all of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: these guys that were say signed last year, if they're
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: all back, I'd be very surprised. There are gonna be
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: people that right now, you're not expecting that won't be back.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: And I don't know who all those guys are.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: There will be no surprise cuts. Is that what you're saying?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Kind of? But yeah, you know what I mean, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: might not be explaining it right, but I think he's
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: gonna look to get you know, we joke around about
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: my guys the culture as guys. I think Rabel's gonna
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: look long and hard and who's with us and who's not?
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: The culture wasn't good?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Like what kind of circles that entitlement line that he
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: kept using yesterday, just keeps ringing it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: And who's entitled? The guys that got paid last year
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: and the guys who and let's face it, it's a
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: pretty significant list guys who got paid and.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Regrets fortunately watunate because you pay them so that they
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: would be on board and happy and you know, carrying
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the water right and a lot.
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I just I mean I look
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: immediately to Kyle Duggah and Michael Whenu and you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: just as I was taking inventory the year and looking
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: forward to next year, I'm like, those guys got to
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: bring it next year like they had down years. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: need Michael Wnu to come back in shape ready to
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: go with right guard and maybe they're going to quit
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: moving him all over the place and let him focus
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: on it. But you know, those guys that you played
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: last year, last year not as bad as the year was.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: I feel like it was also an opportunity for some
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: of those guys to step up and into those roles
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: when Juwan Bentley goes down, and you know, I think
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: the team felt rudderless. It felt guys sniping at each other.
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, it felt like the defensive line room was
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: all over the defense all year. I mean they were,
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: you know, taking shots at each other. I don't know
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: exactly what the factions were, but you know, it was
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: all over the place and no real leader. I mean,
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: I think this was part of the Callahan and Kaide
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: piece two where that nobody really stepped up into those
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: leadership roles to hold people accountable.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And that beca was one of the things that I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: think think we kind of glossed over is we made
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: mention of when all the captains got hurt, but not
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: necessarily saying how damaging that can be when you those
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: are the guys you're counting on to be leaders. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: now they're not in uniform. That's hard to lose Andrews,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to lose Bentley, you know, those kinds of guys. You know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Pepper's situation early in the year, that's not nothing. You know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: when you have guys that you're really counting on to
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: do that and then they're all.
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: Especially when the guys behind them are not that vocal
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: or you know, just I mean, you guys know, certain
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: guys have that leadership vibe and you know, Jawan Bentley
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: walks to the room and everyone's like that guy. You know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: other guys not not so much. They got to find
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: those guys, and it goes to what Verbel said yesterday.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: Build the conditions for those guys to emerge.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: I just think you need new guys, Like I think
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: a lot of the guys going to agree with you
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: on this team other than like the real bill CA
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: you know, hold Over as Jonathan Jones, Dietrich Wise, David Andrews,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: all of these guys have one anything in the league,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: like really like haven't won, been successful anywhere. And I'm
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: not saying they're bad football players or you know, anything
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: like that necessarily across the board, but like you got
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: to find some guys that have been there and done that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: And you look in Washington and you like hear the
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: impact that Bobby Wagner has had on that team, just
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: as like somebody that has won a super Bowl, that
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: has been in playoffs, that's been into battle and like
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: understands what it takes to win in the league. And
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: like they don't. They don't have guys like that. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: except for the Bill veterans, which were Bill guys, Like,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: it's not those aren't Greatbot.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: We're all turning our eyes to the commanders because I mean,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I know we keep talking about it, but it's it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: the perfect example. It's the same they were in the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: same spot. And it's not that impossible. It's not easy,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: but it can happen.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: You got to make good decisions. Kendall's in San Diego.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Hey Kendall, Hey they went good.
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: Hey, So, Elliott Woll, how we're going to develop with
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: Mike Grevelin, how would he bring in coaches that have
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: the qualifications to develop our young players or the ones
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: that we're going to actually bring in later on to
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: fit his idea? Like, what are the different qualifications you
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: guys think he would be looking at? I love what
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: you guys do. I'll think the answer there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, thanks Kendall.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know, can we go to the Belichick cliches
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: like smart versus players?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, people who love football.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: You know, veterans. I wouldn't be surprised to see like
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: a you know, not this dramatic, but a two thousand
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: and one approach where it's not going to be three
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: or four highest end of the market free agents, but
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: it might be fifteen guys coming in reuild the core,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: like we need players, we need Bobby Wagner's.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think that there's gonna be major
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: roster turnover with this team going into next year because
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: what attachment does he have to or does Ryan Cowden
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: have to any of these players? Right, I mean none.
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: It's kind of why Drake green LUs stood out to
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: me a little bit as a guy.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Greenlaw good example of Bobby Wagner. Yeah, I who's had
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: success in the league. Now, I don't know, you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: like a lot of people sort of thought Bobby Wagner
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: was on the back nine too. He's had a pretty
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: good year.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address you've
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: got a lot of emails coming in. I'm just looking
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: at all of them seeing, uh, what sticks out to me?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: This one does? It says Evan, you fraud.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Evan, Shame, shame, Power, Power.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Is your favorite play. I've been listening to you ask
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: for a mesh for the last two years, but I
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: get it. Vrabel is intimidating. So a mesh isn't a
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: play is an.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Aspect, it's a It's a pass play and verb. What's
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: your favorite run play?
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: If you're gonna come at me with all this no ball,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: all right, don't come at me this kind.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Of no ball.
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: No, No, I've taken oh power? Really, Like what do
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: you want me to say?
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Some people were even making fun of saying he comes
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: up with power? That's not even a play.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: It isn't Like even idiots like me know that, Like
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: what do you what do you want me to say?
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: You wanted me to say something crazy and have them okay, buddy,
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: like whatever? Like No, I said power because it's a
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: classic NFL plays.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: You have.
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, Holliston High freshman football playbook. We had power
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: in there, like you guys must.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Everybody for us, it was belly dive blast like yes, oh.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: What what's your favorite play?
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: Split flow zone?
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: Okay, all right, Like you know I was going to
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: say push right.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Thing fifty y g.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Did you see the thing on Peyton over the weekend
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: about his play calling, Like it's like.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, I heard them saying that, like how long and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: bo Nicks doesn't use a wristband.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't get it that first time, you're
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: you're lost. Yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: I actually saw a thing with Gruden at barstool where
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: he like installed the play with like the barstool guys.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: So he's got like all the barstool crew sitting there
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: and Gruden's just doing his install of a play and
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: but like rudimentary level.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: It was.
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: It was really fun.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, where's my titan?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: All right, you're gonna be especially Evan.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: That was fun.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Bill used to do it. Bill used to do a
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: little I like that chalk talk one on one for us.
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: I like that stuff.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do something with Rabel on a regular basis,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: like just really talking ball in the general's aspect, not
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: giving away the Patriots play on a serious note.
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Listening to Rabel speak with you guys was impactful for
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: my opinion on the higher he does sound more knowledgeable
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: than I would have thought, Like, why wouldn't you have
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: thought he was knowledgeable because he's like big.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: And I think there are a lot of people that
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: when you hear about him, they think he's like Dan Campbell,
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: that's just gonna go and just be a raw ra
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: guy and just scream about knee caps and things like that,
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: and he's not.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm this guy.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I was just like other than the fact that he
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: was a player, I'm not really interested in the fact
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: that all the success he had as a player in
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: terms of making him a good coach. I think that
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: being a former player, I do think gives you cred
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: in the locker room. I think the players kind of
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: like playing for former players. But if you just look
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: at his resume, I'm not talking about the three Super
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Bowls or any of that nonsense that he.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Was part of.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: This is a guy who played outside linebacker. You took
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: the w had to move to inside linebacker because there
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: was a two year stretch where they couldn't stop the
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: run to save their lives. And it's a completely different position,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: and he played it, played it well. Then he goes
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and plays on the offensive side of the ball. To
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the point where he had ten receptions in his career.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: They all resulted in touchdowns. Like this isn't just a
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: guy who wants to bite kneecaps. This is a smart,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: versatile player who understood And Bill used to say, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: think there was a I think Bill actually had a
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: statement's a clip.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Everybody knew he was going to be a coach.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: He said, he's the most prepared to be a coach.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing, the most coach like player he ever had.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: And this is coming from Bill, So I you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that people would be surprised that he comes
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: across as is knowing as much as he does exes
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: knows why that's the player he does.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: He stand out, I mean above everyone. I mean we
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: heard plenty of guys who were ex's and coaches on
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: the field, coaches, and there were a lot of those
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: guys that came through here, but to me, he was
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: always the pinnacle of it, who showed it.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: You know, you would just say, like this, it's one
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: thing that to sort of absorb a game plan and
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: understand what you're doing each week, but he understood the
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: concepts of football, like what the other team was doing
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: what the what they would try to accomplish and how
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: to you know, what the idea was, why why the
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: game plan was what it was for the Patriots because
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: they're doing this and this is why we have to
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: do that and adjusting on the fly.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: He got it from a macro in a micro level.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the why no, like being able to dissect the
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: why of this is their scheme the opponent and this
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: is why they do. Like that's the next level stuff, right,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: you know, they're going to play this coverage and hear
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: their rules and how can we attack that and you
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: know get you know, find the vulnerabilities and those types
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: of things. But I admit, I, you know, I the
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: fact that he can like break down offense the way
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: that he not with me, but like just in general,
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: you know, like the fact that he knows offense to
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: that degree. It took me like a little bit by surprise.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: How Brady and Belichick were the perfect pairing. So was Rabel.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I mean Rabel you know, flourished when he came here,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: uh you know from Pittsburgh, and I think Belichick's so
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: on him, someone who was extremely coachable, extremely versatile, had
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: you know, talent as well.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: And I think those are the kinds of players that
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: they need to get. Like, listen, they need T Higgins
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: that you know, and I don't mean specifically T Higgins.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: They need a number one, you know, wide receiver.
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: I'm not can you just say a J. Brown?
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: Just say Brown, okay, But they.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Need a J. Brown, They need a you know, they
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: need some talent. They need some high end talent. And
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: I think that they'll try to get two or three
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: of those guys, but they need maybe eight or ten.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Mike Rabels from two thousand and one, yeah, you know,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: and we all know all those names that that you
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: know that really worked out. There were a lot of
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: players that they had. Some of them were veterans that
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: had smaller roles.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Listen, Wes Welker was one of them, but there.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Was a lot of them, you know. I mean, Welker
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: was a guy they targeted. They thought he had a
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: specific role that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: That right, But he was a smart guy. It was
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: a smart player who could play with Tom Brady and
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: take advantage of Brady's intellect. You know.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: That's what I think they're going to do in the offseason.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Something you know, maybe let's let's call it two thousand
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: and one light. I mean, I think they had like
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two or twenty three free agents that year.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I don't expect that, but they brought a lot of
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: players in that were they were NFL veteran players, Like
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: not just all young guys.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I want tough and smart guys. Tough and smart.
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: I wonder I rick, I think table handles Romandre.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I think like that to me, you stop fumbling or
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: you're never gonna play again.
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: See I think I agree.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: But I also like he's going to have a trick,
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Like he's going to have some sort of like you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: like remember Kevin fulk wore like the elbow pads and
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: that like allowed him to like lodge the ball into
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: that because he had fubbling issues too, he did, And
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: so like, you know, think like something like that, like
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: he's going to have some sort of like little little
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: thing that he's gonna be.
• 51:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, I you know, look, he's not Derek Henry,
• 51:28
  Speaker 8: but I imagine that, you know, to some extent, Verbel's looking
• 51:32
  Speaker 8: at the team being like, we got to be able
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: to run the ball a little bit. This guy's talented.
• 51:36
  Speaker 8: How do I get him to be reliable? You know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: and that just seems like one of the hardest things
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: to pull out of a young player's reliability. It's just,
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: you know, some guys have it, some guys don't. Sometimes
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: it develops, but for the most part, you don't got it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: You don't got it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Finishing up to see, Madam john what kind of offense
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: do we want to see going forward? West Coast spread
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: aarhard Perkins. I know they all have multiple variations, but
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: if McDaniels comes back to run the air hard like
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: most believe, should the Patriots look to hire from Detroit's
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: staff as they also run the same scheme under Ben Johnson.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe they bring in fresh ideas on offense under the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: same scheme and it jumps to the offense forward. I'm
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: also okay with keeping the West Coast, but maybe they
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: should look to hire from the La Rams in that case.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I know each hiring probably requires a promotion. Is run
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: game coordinator a past game coordinator considered a promotion? Either way,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like this will be the big topic until
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: coordinators are announced for the team. Looking forward to the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: offseason shows and if things get slow, I will bringing
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: up food and restaurant topics to get Paul Awake.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you okay, and I like your email by the way,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: just to.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: Correct something I said last week along with an emailer, uh,
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: I checked in with some people about the Lions offense
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: because there's some contradicting, uh you know, stuff out there
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: about what kind of system Ben Johnson is running. Ben
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Johnson really kind of runs his own system, and they
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: would not call it an EP offense. They also wouldn't
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: call it a West Coast offense. So some of the
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: protections that he runs are similar to the EP offense
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: in terms of pass protection. But they they pushed back
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: when I said that it wasn't an Airhart Perkins offense.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: It's his own thing.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's very very good because that staff hasn't
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: turned over a ton yet. Like no one has the playbook,
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: Like you can get the play book for the Josh
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: mcdaniels's playbook.
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: It's just out there.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Football offenses is the music offense. You know, they all
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: have roots and like the blues and then it became
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: jazz and you know all this stuff. Like but yeah,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: you can you can figure out the roots of everything
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: and then new stuff emerges from it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Now I want to ask Evan a question do you
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: think this is totally kind of off topic, but do
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: you think there are similarities between the Airhart Perkins system
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: and sort of a traditional West Coast.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: There can be like you know we're talking we're talking
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: about language, right, We're talking about terminology.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just talking about the play concepts.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: So the play Yeah, like everybody kind of runs a
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: lot of the same play concepts. Like what we're talking
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: about is like how do you communicate those play concepts
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: to the players. So in an Earnhart Perkins system, you
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: know they have protections in the fifties, sixties and seventies, right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: you know, fifty is five man, sixties six man, seven
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: man is seventy. In an in.
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: A West Coast offense, they don't use a system.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: They use a different type of system.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Right in the rewards.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, to run protections and things like that. So it's
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: all about you know, everybody has the same you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: no one's reinventing the wheel.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: That's what really bothered U. Chad Johnson.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I couldn't say that. He couldn't be
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: on the terminology though. I just remember as a kid,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: you know, watching what the Patriots did and Airhart Perkins
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and everything, and then seeing that West Coast, you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: kind of for the first time, say, there was a
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: to me, a you know, someone who's not as technical,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: there was a clear difference in the way those offenses look.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: The West Coast was more just rhythm, you know, short
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: pass that's what you know, you're.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Talking about when you were growing up as growing up. Yeah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the air Heart Perkins like in the
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: modern times with like Tom Brady.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that started before Tom Brady.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: You know, I understand that Ronnie and Heart was here
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: in the late seventies. Andy Perkins sort of you know,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: came in with that. I get that, but it's not
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the same. But I thought there's a lot of like
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: quick hitters to the outside first. You know, they're like
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: first down plays, like move the chains kind of plays,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: stay ahead of the sticks kind of plays concepts, And
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: to Evan's point, I think there are you know, there's
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: only so many different ways to reinvent the wheel. I
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of similarities. Bill used to really
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: push back on that, which is why I asked you
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: what you thought, Brian, and I think talked to Bill
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: about it. This a lot of West Coast. It's not
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: a West Coast No, but he almost got mad.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: No, but it's true. But I think that that West
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Coast wrinkle into the EP was a recent thing, Like
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: that was something that with Troy Brown here, like they
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: kind of installed because we need to do this.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: But what you're talking about like the original, like you're
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: talking about a completely run based offense, like the like
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the Earhart Perkins thing was all run based. Of course,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: it had nothing to do with West Coast. Like Bill
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Walsh started the West Coast. Wow, teams are throwing, like
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: everybody ran like two backs at once and ran the
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: ball constantly like in the late seventies, you know, like
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: you'd have like almost like an offset full back and
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: anybody could get the ball, you know, running all kinds
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: of power and duo and crap like that. That put
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: everybody to sleep good.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: But again, I think you got to get down. I
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: think no matter what system you like to run, you
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: have to adjust it to your personnel. You just have to. Yeah.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I just was curious to you know, like I just
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: feel like there's a lot of timing involved with like Brady,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: you know, it's third and three, we're just gonna we're
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: gonna get the snap, the ball is gonna be out.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Joey bos is gonna be pissed because he beat the
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: tackle in the blink of an eye, but the ball
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: was already out. West Coast offense kind of concept to me,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: like rhythm boo, you know, but it wasn't the same.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say that. One of the other big differences
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: between you know, what the Patriots have done in the
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: past with McDaniels and Brady and things like that, and
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: the West Coast teams is the amount of formations that
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: you would use in this offense in terms of, uh,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: you know, mixing up formations with personnel groupings and things
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: like that. West Coast offenses, like Sean McVay is an
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: eleven personnel team, Like they run three wide receivers like
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: ninety percent of the time. And I like how they
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: changed yeah too, Yeah, they're not just they don't do
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: a ton of that. They go into games with maybe
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: like twenty different formations in the install The Patriots would
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: probably go into games with like double that, right, So,
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: like you have different Their offense is all based on
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: we're gonna run a lot of the same formations, but
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: we're gonna run different plays out of those formations, whereas
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: the Patriots were basically just a menu of we could
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: do whatever we need on this particular day, this particular
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: drive to move the football so we could be under center,
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: we could be spread, we could be empty, we could
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: be whatever.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: And then they get Hernandez and they changed again.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: But that's the like the to put the finger on
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: the thing that I would be most concerned about is that,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: because I do think everything Evan just said is one
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: thousand percent right. And Brady allowed them to do that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and I have not seen Yes, it's a
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Brady off like I have.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Not seen other quarterbacks run at anywhere near the level
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: of efficiency. They've been okay with Castle, and you know,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: for a couple of games with Mac Jones when they
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: play like Jacksonville and score fifty points. He I love
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: it because it's so like So someone had a stat
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: and I don't remember the exact numbers, but these are close.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Josh mcdaniels's offense with Tom Brady scored more than twenty
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: points something like sixty something percent of the games or something.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, some ridiculously high number like that. It's over
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: over sixty nine percent of the games or something. Without him,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: the number dropped by like forty percent. Like, I mean,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: that makes a perfect sense. You're not going to be
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: able to score as much with Sam Bradford and Matt
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Castle and Mac Jones, you know, and Jakoby Bush said
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Tim Tebow, Kyle Orton, like they make Plumber, Yeah, they
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: never had. I don't even think he had Jake Plumber.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I think it was Kyle Orton. Okay, I think he
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: had as his quarterback in Denver. It so it makes sense,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: But I just wonder, is it the system that we're
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: like in love with or is it just like to
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Evan's point, Brady's ability to do whatever it needed to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: be done.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: It's also organic, you know, And that's what you have,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: same systems, but you have different players and different coaches,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: and each one kind of evolves in their own way,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: And it's like you try to it's a people business.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: You can't even really compare the two. At a certain point,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: all right, I gotta eat, We're gonna take a break.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: We'll come back. We got a lot more emails, calls,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: We'll get to them right after this.
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  Speaker 14: Famili your faces that I remember from back in the day,
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  Speaker 14: But that's okay. Thank you, Robert. You know I'm humbled.
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  Speaker 14: I'm grateful. It's a lot of people that have helped
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 14: me get to this point, and I want to thank them.
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  Speaker 14: I want to use this opportunity to thank them in
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  Speaker 14: front of you. You'll get to know some of them,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 14: most of them. And I want to thank my family.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 14: I want to thank Jen, it's been along for this
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 14: ride for quite a while, Tyler and Carter, who grew
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 14: up here, who spent time here. You know, it probably
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 14: wasn't the easiest thing to be my son as I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 14: was trying to figure this out and figure out the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 14: difference between being a dad and being a coach. So
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 14: I love them dearly. You'll see them around hopefully.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Obviously.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 14: Want to thank my parents, thank Chuck and e Lane.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 14: And as I go through this interview process, I'm always
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 14: quick to tell people that I'm an only child and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 14: only children are spoiled, which I was. I was an
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 14: only child of two educators. But my dad was a
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 14: basketball coach and assistant football coach, and he taught me
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 14: what it.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Was to.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 14: Be tough, to work hard, and to embrace being part
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 14: of a team and loving being part of a team,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 14: and how powerful that can be when you're an only child.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 14: Those are probably hard things to understand, but I would
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 14: tell you that those are things that I built on,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 14: that I believe in that I want to try to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 14: put as many people in this building and around our
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 14: players that are like that, so I thank them. I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 14: want to thank Robert and Jonathan and Daniel and the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 14: entire Craft family not only for the time that I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 14: spent here as a player, but the experience a year
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 14: and a half ago that Robert mentioned with the Hall
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 14: of Fame, just the class that they showed myself, my family,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 14: my friends, the people that came. You know, I think
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 14: the biggest one of the biggest groups like to thank
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 14: are the players that have impacted me along the way
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 14: from Ohio State that when I didn't know what I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 14: was doing, I had no idea. I just try to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 14: figure it out as I went along to the ones
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 14: that I had in Houston to the ones in Tennessee.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 14: Robert mentioned that we won twelve games in two thousand
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 14: and one. We played ninety one players, and they all
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 14: cared about the team immensely. They would do whatever it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 14: took for the team to win. And with that, the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 14: coaches that have impacted me along the way, my high
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 14: school football coach Jerry Reardon, I think I've had a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 14: great opportunity to play for, to coach with, and coach
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 14: for some unbelievable mentors people that have helped shape me,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 14: from John Cooper, Bill Cower, John Mitchell, Romeo Cornell, Bill
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 14: Belichick and the multiple coaches that were here to to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 14: to Luke Fickle, to Urban Meyer, to Bill O'Brien, who
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 14: who you know, held up his end of the bargain
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 14: when he asked me to come to the Houston Texans
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 14: with him. He said, I'm going to do everything I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 14: can to get you ready to be a head coach.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 14: He did that, and he's a he's a great friend,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 14: and I'm going to support Billy every way I can
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 14: up the road at Chestnut Hill. So you know, the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 14: assistant coaches that have, you know, held me accountable to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 14: leading the team sometimes when you know when you're not
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 14: right or you need somebody to say, hey, there's another way.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 14: And I want to thank those coaches because to be
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 14: in this situation you need so many people around you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 14: and you put in place to to help the players.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 14: I want to thank the teams that were, you know,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 14: willing to meet with me through this process to give
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 14: me an opportunity to potentially lead their team. But in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 14: the end, you know, it was clear to me and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 14: to my family and my soul that this was the
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 14: place that I wanted to be. And I think Robert,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 14: and I think the Craft family, you know, excited, excited
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 14: to get to work, Excited to meet the people in
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 14: this building that have made this play special, find out
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 14: what they need, find out how I can help them,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 14: how I can help them do their job better, how
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 14: we can enhance the stuff that we do well, and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 14: then find out what the areas of focus are and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 14: get to work. I want to galvanize our football team.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 14: I want to galvanize this building. I want to gualvanize
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 14: our fans. And the most important thing are the players.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 14: There's some of them right here. I want to provide
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 14: a program that provides their ownership but also their accountability
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 14: of each other, and one that they'll be proud to
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 14: be a part of and that they're going to fight for.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 14: You know, you guys are going to ask me questions
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 14: about culture, which I'll be happy to talk about and discuss.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 14: One thing I've realized about culture is that you can
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 14: find out what your culture looks like when your family,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 14: your business, or your team is that it's low point.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 14: It's not when you're winning Super bowls, or it's not
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 14: when you're seven and one or ten and one, because
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 14: then then everybody's waving towels and everybody's happy and they're
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 14: excited to come to work. But when you get hit
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 14: in the mouth, or you're down, or the chips are
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 14: against you, you know, then you can take a snapshot
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 14: of what your company or your team looks like, and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 14: then you'll find out what kind of culture you have.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 14: But that culture is going to be built on winning,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 14: a competitive spirit throughout our roster, throughout our players, and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 14: throughout our coaches and our staff, and the ability to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 14: put the team first and care about somebody other than yourself.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 14: And I'm excited to do that. I'm excited to get
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 14: to work. But everything and everyone in this building is
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 14: going to under stand and believe that their job is
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 14: critically important uh for our success, and it's going to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 14: be you know, how can I help you in order
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 14: to help the players. Our players will respect and they
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 14: will appreciate and they will be grateful for the opportunity
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 14: that they have here. And the people that work in
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 14: this building some some very familiar faces that I can't
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 14: wait to reconnect and to work and figure out how
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 14: we help these players in this football team, and we're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 14: going to earn the right to be here every day.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 14: We're gonna removeing uh entitlement from from our football team.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 14: We're gonna we're gonna get everything that we've earned from
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 14: from the head coach to the position coaches all the
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 14: way down to the players. We're going to earn the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 14: right to be here every single day. You know, I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 14: always say that I don't want to get into too
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 14: many messages that will be geared for the players, you know,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 14: but I hold those those conversations. Those are special conversations
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 14: between the coaches and the players. But you know, we
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 14: want to treat every player the same way they treat
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 14: the team, and we want to treat every employee the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 14: same way that they treat the team. And if they
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 14: care about the team and they come here with a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 14: great attitude and a willingness to work and help the team,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 14: I've asked Robert to do everything that we can for
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 14: them to support them and their families. That's the type
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 14: of environment that I want to build.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 13: And now, great moments in.
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  Speaker 11: History, I just don't want to race out to a
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 11: lead and you know, get your whole right touchdown you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 11: fourth quarter, you're up like fourteen, or that touchdown touchdown
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 11: like a no.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: And that's what he's done to so many teams.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 11: And you understand how maddening it is when you think
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 11: you got them the whole game and then all of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 11: a sudden, it just clicks and it's like, oh, they
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 11: just want berserker mode and you can't stop them.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Scracks me up. I just want to have a lead
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: and have him break my heart.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go through another.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: You're gonna see me kidnapping him after the game, like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: bringing him back what we are on the radio.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: That's another great moment from.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: What did I say?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I was.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I wasn't really listen. You said you give your left
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: nut for a twelve and four seasons. Well, you have
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: a coach who said he'd do worse if you want
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: a super Bowl, so right he did. We should have
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: reminded him of that yesterday. I have that knife in
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: my office. I could have.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: I'm always surprised you didn't, because that's usually top of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: mind for you.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Mike. I'm saving this for when you win your first
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Let's get back to the emails podcast at
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com. Michelle, who loves it when I call
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: her Shilata. Oh nice, yeah, she says.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: I'm here from Michelle.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: I'm stoked that Vrabel is the coach. I think that's
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: what the organization needs. It's stability from top to bo
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: him and he'll bring that. And I hear he comes
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: with his own Irdie Adams, John stretched Striker who worked
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: with him in Tennessee. I also think Josh would be
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: great for Drake in more ways than one who's is.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: Josh Yeah, yeah, his name is starting to go around
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: a little bit. Uh.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: He was with Rabel and Tennessee.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: He's in with the Rams this past year working with
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: McVeigh and he is Rabel's clock management guru. You know
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: his Evan Rothstein has Ernie Adams, so Paul sitting right here.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I don't why.
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  Speaker 5: Why I don't I don't know. I don't know. If
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: you know that's as easy as like I'm gonna go
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: with Mike in New England or what.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: But he's currently on the right striker.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I would do. I would chill like
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Micha wuld be like do you need to call a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: time out?
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I don't know because it comes to naturally
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: to you. But in the moment like that first time,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: would you have the handle on the clock like you
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: do when you're talking here.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sure I wouldn't. There are plenty of times that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, that was a weird time, and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: then you think about it afterwards, you like, but I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: would also do this if I was actually you know,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: this is kind of like Evan's version of if we
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: were actually in the roles that people make fun of
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: us about, right, I would actually have the math committed
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: to memory, which I don't right now. You know, in
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: terms of minute thirty two, you know, it takes x
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: amount of seconds to do these two plays and the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: different plays that you would run, Like, I don't know all.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: That you need all the scenarios, right.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: But those guys should have all of that committed to memory.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about how much time it takes
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: on a completed pass over the middle to run the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: team off the field. It's fourth down, you got to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: kick the field goal. You know, people you know, like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: seventeen second, sixteen nineteen, like somewhere in that area. You know,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: the sort of fire drill of going on and off
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: the other day. What was the game that they were
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: that really got under my skin, all of them? Yeah, Tooche,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: Mike knows me so well. No, Turrico, I think it
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: was was like you know, yeah, I think it was
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Washington game. It was Tariko And it's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: like they got the ball at like the ten yard line.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: They wanted to save the time out so they could
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: do different things. Now that puts the run in the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: pass and play. They're at like the ten yard line,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have three plays in the end zone. There
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: was like they let it run down to like sixteen
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: seconds and then they eventually called time out because I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: think they wanted to get the play right. Well they
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: lost ten seconds. Oh no, And I'm like, you're at
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: like the eight yard line, you have sixteen seconds left,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: you have three plays in the end zone. If you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: don't get it, you're gonna kick a field goal. Time's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: not going to be a factor here, right, Like that's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: the kind of stuff I don't need to.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Think it's gonna be.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: You know, you know it turned out to them, but
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: I think it should come natural to anybody who can
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: actually count.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Plus I think to me, like I don't think it's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: ad like, I'm not trying to be like sort of
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: like self deprecating. I don't think it's a difficult thing.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: But none of the announcers seem to understand, Like.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: In my head, I can. I can clearly see and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: it would be a lot of work how you could
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: create the formula, you know.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure Ernie Adams has a formula.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sure Bill Pricels used, you know, the whole the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: card when to go for two? It's my car. Well,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: how do you know it's my card? They do, They
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: have formulas.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: But like the conditions change and those are the variables.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: But you plug just those variables into the constant and
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: you get your answer, you know, right.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: And you know that particular situation ended up being a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: point because the first play they got a pass interference
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: in the end zone, so the ball went to the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: one yard line and they just they threw it into
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Mike Evans. But the amount of times you watch a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: game and the play by play guy is sort of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: incredulous with how methodical an offense is being. You know,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: there's thirty five seconds left running clock, they're out, Like
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: the thirty five yard because there's no urgency, buddy, You're
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: either going to continue to move the ball and score
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: or you're gonna kick a field goal and take the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: rest of the time of the half off. You know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: it's not that hard. The Penn State Notre Dame game,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: did you watch the end of that game?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: Greg McElroy lost his ever loving mind at the end
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: of that game.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: Did you watch this, Yes, but he like messed up,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: like he like well three.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Times out like again, not hard things, Like for some
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: reason they threw a little pass on third down which
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: got him like inside the twenty, made it an easy
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: field goal. There's like twenty five seconds left, and for
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: some reason Notre Name ran to the line and spiked it.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Sean McDonough, who's the play by play guy, not the analyst,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: he immediately says, I'm not really sure why they spiked
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: the ball there, which anybody watching with a pulse said
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: the same thing. Let the clock run down. If you
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: want to make a snap, move the ball in the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: area of the field that's best for your kicker. Whatever,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: they had timeouts, there was no need to spike the ball,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: and McElroy says, well, you know you don't want to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: be in a situation where you have to rush the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: field goal. You know, Greg, they have two timeouts. You
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: have the ability to stop the clock anytime you want.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: You don't need to spike the ball and waste to play. Plus,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know why you would want to stop the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: clock in the first place. That allowed Penn State to
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: then take two timeouts. And I know there was only
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: like eight seconds left, but Notre Dame should have kicked
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: that game winning field goal with two seconds left and
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: time should have expired. They shouldn't have had to kick
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: off and worry about two Hail Mary's. And Greg McElroy
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: is still baffled and befuddled by the whole thing. A,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: my wrong, you watched it right now, you're right.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: I mean he messed up multiple times. I can't remember
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: the exact instances, but I remember that one. And there
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: was another one.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not even counting when he said, you go aggressive
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: here because Drew Eller has protected the ball so well. Yeah,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: and then literally the next play he threw a pick.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that guy stinks.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Also ignored the fact that he threw two picks earlier
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: in the game that got overturned by penalties. That were horrific, bad.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: Plays people by ylor people wonder why, like the league
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: reaches on quarterbacks and then there and then you just
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: watch them swoon over Drew Aller and I'm just like.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I told you. Someone said that he would be a
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: top ten pin if he came out, and I should.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's any good.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there there was.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: So he committed to go back to Penn State before
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: the playoff began, right, and then through back channels or whatever,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: people were like, you might want to enter the draft,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: like the league is really really.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 14: High on it.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the year.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you might go number one overall. And then he
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: can't hit the broad side of a bar.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: He was he failed, Yeah, and he choked.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: And it's not just exact game like a lot of
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: Penn State fans were coming at like just that you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: watched one game like.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, Ohio State.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah no, I watched all the game.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: They had every opportunity to beat the the win the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Ohio State and they were inside the five multiple he
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: could make a play.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Yep. Garyan Harvard rites in let's get back to the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: emails at podcasts at Patriots dot com said last year
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: the team chose their captains. Should that continue or should
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Rabel choose them? It's a good question. That's a good question.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: That's a philosophical question. I think captains or the players choose.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: To Can I just be that the guys as I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: think the coach always picks the captains loosely?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 8: I think, I mean I have personal experience with that.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: I would concur if if they picked the wrong guys,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: they're not going to be the captains. Let's just put
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: it that way.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yemmy and Texas rights in, do you agree with
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: me that Justin Herbert is mentally weak? The Chargers were
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: favored to win last week and he couldn't handle the expectations.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: That first interception he threw was that of a guy
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: who was scared of the moment, just total panic.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: My fear is, what, what about the first quarter and
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: a half of the game. Wouldn't be afraid of the moment?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Then he came out on fire.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe the moment wasn't as big then, Okay.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: So once they were winning the game, the moment got.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: To My fear is that Drake may is the same.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: The pick in overtime to lose the Titans game was
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: a guy who panicked and threw down the field for
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: no good reason. Do you share my concern or am
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: I too harsh? Hopefully Rabel can help him with that.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: I think that's yeah, he was a rookie mistake.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: But I agree with his Herbert criticism. I think there's
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: something I love justin Herbert. I think there's something destined
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: about him to not win as much as he should.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why don't. Maybe he's a choker.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe the email is right.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: I have that fear with Drake a little bit too.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 8: I think that's reasonable, right, And that's the magic thing
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: you don't know, And that's exactly the opposite of what
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: you have with Brady. Brady had that magic through and through.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 8: I mean every time you needed him to come through,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: he did. And there's no way to look at Brady
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 8: and I mean, I guess maybe you look at some
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: of his college tape what he did. You know, you
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: can see that in big games he played well.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: But this is funny. You know, it's hard to predict
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: the Rabel stuff. Yesterday might just be me. You guys
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: can tell me, Oh, Paul, your reaching. There were a
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: lot of questions that sort of led Rabel to the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: anointing of Drake May, like, you know, like, how important
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: is it to get a you know, an offensive coordinat
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: it's going to work with your young you know, your
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: young ger. And I know that Rabel called him his young,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: young dynamic quarterback at one point. But there were a
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: lot of questions about May having reached a level that
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: quite frankly, I don't think he's reached. And I wonder
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: how Rabel took all those And I started thinking to myself,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: some bill two thousand and one bledso vibes two thousand
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: bledso vibes, like, yeah, he's good.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Let's wait until he's good.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: He's the started quarterback. I'll see how he is with me.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And then you know, you know, rabels like that,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: and I just again, I might be putting too much
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: into it, but I thought there were a handful of
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: questions that, you know, guys, I wanted Drake May. I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: think Drake May had a good rookie year. Good well,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: good rookie year.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: You look at him as a sun.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: I like him a lot. I know you do because
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: I like this, because I like the skill set.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I really like the skills not going to get the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: star treatment, but bas going to get star treatment.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: But where I separate from a lot of my colleagues
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: is I didn't see in the twelve games what other
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: people are saying. They saw like there's nothing to worry about.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: He's the guy. Here we go. I saw what Mike
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: is talking about. There were times that he looked great
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: and there were other times when games were on the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: line where it didn't look as great. Right, And I
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: want to see how that goes next year. Yeah, before
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: I just say we're all set that spot.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: Up, you were just so happy to be in the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: games at that point. Like some of the mistakes you
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: would forgive them, and it's a rookie in but next
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 8: year the bar raises.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: That's you know.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Don't made me do an exercise that I did with
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones and.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 8: Break I would never make you do it.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, break down the stats in one score games
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: and in multiple score games, because I'll guarantee you the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: multiple score stats are much better than the ones stats.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: I think that that's the best answer Rabel gave yesterday
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: was the one about what he's going to do to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: help Drake May in terms of managing the game and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: managing situations.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Keep him out of those situational.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: Awareness of where he is on the field and what
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: the score is and all that kind of stuff, so
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: that when they get into an overtime game in Tennessee
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: like they did last year, say to him, hey, we
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: don't need it all in one play, right, Like, you
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: don't don't get greedy here and try to win the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: game on one throw. You know, let's let's get into
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: the drive, Let's get the ball moving, Let's let's get
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: some things rolling here first. And I think those are
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: the types of little things that Rabel hopefully will be
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: in Drake May's ear about when they start drives, like
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: not calling the plays, but just saying, hey, this is
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: a situation. This is what I need to out of
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: you in this situation, and let's not go for the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: home run.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Chris with a T I A N talking about choking,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: says not once did Evan mentioned pin Pool yesterday? Moment
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: was too big for the young man.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: I think I see another one that you know, not
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: ball mill, that's not that's not basic install all right,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: you go to pin pull in like we two a
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: training camp. Yeah, okay, least.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: That's not basic install. You got to be a ball
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: in the Okay poll boy, But you know part of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: that Drake may thing too, And Michael tell you, I'm
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: a broken record on this is like and I believe
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: it started with that bomb in Tennessee. It felt like
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: they stopped throwing the ball downfield as consistently as they did,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: maybe right away, like I think it's Houston. I think
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: he was throwing it the field, you know. And then
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: it seemed to me like every time they dialed up
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: a shot, he took it, whether it was there or not.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: And Evan made a good point, it almost always seemed
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: to be to like Kishan Booty who didn't really seem
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: to track those very well and when he was double covered,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: didn't seem to like fight through to prevent bad plays,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: you know. But I felt like he got to the point, well,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, they never let me throw with bomb, so
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: they dialed up a bomb here, right, you know?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I uh, you know with Herbert real quick. The
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: I'm not ready to like go there with Herbert yet,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: because to your point earlier about the Chargers, like I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: don't think the Chargers were necessarily ready to be where
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 5: they were, Like, I don't think that.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: They thought they were better than Houston though, and that
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: was a bad performance.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: But I don't I didn't think they were going they
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: were ready.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl was against US.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think the roster was ready to go on
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: a run yet, is my point right? Like, I think
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: that they're really truly a year or two away from
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: truly being in that upper enchelon to go on a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: deeper playoff run. So I'll but I do have that
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: fear with Drake May that he's going to look good,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: that the stats are going to look good, that he's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: gonna look flashy. But there's a lot of quarterbacks like that,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: Herbert Trevor, Lawrence, Matthew, Stafford until he got to the Rams.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Like, there's a lot of like quarterbacks that didn't win
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: much that put up really good numbers. And I don't
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: necessarily think Drake May is one of those. But I mean,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: go back and look at Gardner Minshew's rookie year, like
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: you think, this guy, what's a diamond in the rough?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: That was a garbage time.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: I mean all of it was in garbage and people
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: have never realized it.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: I mean Peyton Manning, you know, I'm not talking about
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: his crappy first year, but dominant record setting playoff you know,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 8: sporadic until O six seven years.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: If Tom Brady was in the league, he'd have about
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: four same with him.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: I saw an article two with the same thing that
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: Mahomes is doing to some of these teams. Now, where
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 8: you know, is this going to be Lamar's legacy?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: And so what I didn't understand about that is like
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: I think they were trying to make an inference that
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: like Peyton Manning's legacy, Like, oh, does Peyton Manning have
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: to put his head down? I know he's Fred's right.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: He probably would have had a few more if not
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: for Brady, but he beat him a couple of times. Yeah,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: beat him in the playoffs more than Brady beat him.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: He was three and two against Brady in the playoffs.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: Then, like, you know, five hits. The narrative is that, well,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 8: it's amazing in the regular season.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Who has a regular who has a record of winning
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: record against Brady in the playoffs, I'm going to benure
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: a guess that's the only guy.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but six he shouldn't know that was they
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: stole that game.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Well, they pumped in the flu noise. Cheaters, cheaters, Dallas
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: if Dallas Clark, he wouldn't have done a thing if
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Rodney Harrison wasn't.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison, Jake and Melbourne, Australia. Unlikely scenario, but something
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: to think about. Hypothetical trade between the Patriots and the Cowboys.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Cowboy trades Cowboys, hypothetical trade. I'm in Cowboys get our
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: four to get Micah Parsons. Patriots get Parsons in the
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: third round pick. Then the Patriots spend some cap space
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: extend Parsons. The Cowboys get the four for uh Shador
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: and they signed coach Prime. So I would say a
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: couple of things there. Now, how are you, if you're
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: the Cowboys, going to be assured that shud is going
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: to be available at four?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: Come together quick?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Well if it comes to that.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: So my guess is that we have a budding thing here.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a thing until April with
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: with Evan. I don't think there's anything that Evan can
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: take to lose that number four pick.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't say that. I just rolled my eyes.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: No offence to like Micah Parsons is in the trade,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: like this guy like Micah Parsons, They're not getting Micah
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Parsons Like, okay, like you.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: Know how talk radio works.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: Let's take Micah Parsons and then maybe we'll call up
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: the forty nine ers and we'll ast for twent Williams
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: and then you know, like, oh the team.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: That's just silly. He's like MICHAEH. Parsons is in a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: contract they just resigned that they just resigned CD lamb.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe there's no way.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: There's no way saying I'm just saying there's no way
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: that Jerry Jones could possibly afford anything more.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Well, he's kind of tighted.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know, if you know, he's pretty cheap with players.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. Forget about whether or
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: not you think it will happen, because I agree with you. Yeah,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: would you do that deal Micah Parsons, you know and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: other stuff? You know, Basically, the trader is Micah Parsions
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: for the fourth overall pick.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Do we still I wouldn't do it.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 8: It doesn't include that I absolutely would do it, but
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 8: like you would do it from Micah Parks.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: Think you're getting a player better than Micah Parsons at four.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: One of those players in the league.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: I just know he's a great player. Is he really is?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: I would I would do that.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: The only player that I think I've ever heard Bill
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: say Lawrence Taylor maybe maybe like actually put him in
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: the same category as as like Lawrence Taylor. I think Michaeh.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: Parson is the only guy I've ever heard him do
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: that with. And I'd say it a lot. I but
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: I I just all the I'm sorry, I don't mean
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: to like come at emailers and stuff, but like when
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: we get emails, it's like, well, what if the Raiders
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: trade us brock Bauers and the sixth overall pick for
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: four in this And.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: That's a little different, like it was coming off his
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: rookie why with the Raiders, Like there's an answer to
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: the question as to why the trade Parsons. They don't
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: think they can resign the neighbors And again that's not
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: the same I'm with you. Email what's the emailer's name for, Jake? Jake,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not you keep those hypothetical trades coming in. We'll
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: let you know when there's absolutely no possibility. There's absolutely
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: no possibility. I disagree. I think there's a chance that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: someone could trade for Michael Parsons.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: The other thing about why don't we get Miles do is?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Let's let's say that. Let's say Jerry signs Dion, So
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Dion in two weeks from now is the head coach
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: of the Dallas Cowboys. He's gonna watch the door sand.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if you know, but he hates
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: Penn State. Okay, Deon Sanders hates Penning.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: So he's gonna trade trade Michael Persons.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's gonna want this guy. Is there a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: chance that no matter who drafts Sanders, they refuse to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: go there? And you have an Eli Mannings.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: You see when rand Catherine got fire, Dion like retweeted
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: with the eyeballs. Oh yeah, so like that told me
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: like you just lost any opportunity you had to getting Sanders.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: I would say the Browns are in that category.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Two. Oh, I don't think Sanders is going to the Cleveland.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Browns, which is another reason why Jake is sort of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: he might be on reading the tea leaves and saying
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe will be available.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: He's onto something that I jokingly, half jokingly put that
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: out there last night when the Shador Sanders thing came
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: to be, Sanders came one point four for one point
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: twelve and extra extract from Dallas's side that those trades
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: have been done before. You know, the Texans just did it,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: uh for Will Anderson a couple of years ago. So
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: I put out the exact same package that they got,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: you know, in exchange for that pick when they traded
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: back up to get Will Anderson.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: It's just not going to include Michael Parsons.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Like, it's not. It's not going to include my Parsons.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: It's not. Don't let him shout you down.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: But in his scenario, we don't get Dallas's first you
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: know that, right, Yeah, but it's.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: Not They're they're not trading Michael Parsons. Okay, period, Like
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: when does that happen? Like besides receivers, because he.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Traded Richard Seymour for first Yeah, when he was at
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: the end of his.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: So when didn't Khalil Mack go from from Chicago ye
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: to the Raiders, not like in the in the prime
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: of his career, like defensive player of the year type player.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, right, that was that an example eight years ago?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: But all right, so why can't it happen again? Because
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: when does when did I just I just think it's
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: dismissing something that actually isn't out of the realm of possibility.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Obviously we'd be surprised if a trade of that magnitude happened.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: But it's not the same as brock Bauers or elite
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: neighbors coming off their rookie years. Why why would teams
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: want to trade those guys like like that doesn't make
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: any sense, Like we had someone that wanted to wanted
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: to trade Joe Joe Milton from aligue aipors.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: Like that is when it comes to like those types
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: of players, though I'm not talking you know, like Montes
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: Sweat got moved right and and Chase Young got moved
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: when Washington had that little fire sale. We're talking about
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: a different level of player. Really, the only position that
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: I see that happening at his wide receiver, like wide
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: receiver that's the most.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: Often because they're the most disgruntled, right Absolutely, j Brown
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: is no doubt possibility Dk Metcalf people people are talking
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: about like trade for Dk Metcalf, trade for Micah Parsons, prosper.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: Ford and Savannah has two reasons for Josh won his
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: track RN with QBS rookie Mac Jones went to the
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. Sorry two consistency. The Patriots have had five
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: different ocs in five years. He could be a highly
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: skilled long time coordinator like Steve Spagnola obviously on the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: defensive side for the Chiefs.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: And if he did, if he did it at the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: level that Steve Spagnola has done it, then I think
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: we'd all say that's a home run. Yeah. Yeah, but
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: that's that's a big if.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Those are the arguments for him. But but I also
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: I think McDaniels runs a great offense. Like I don't
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: think it's just that he's not going to go anywhere, like,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: don't settle for that, Like just oh, this guy is
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: not gonna get hired.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: That's my point, right, I don't know why that is.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: Never leave me.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: I want the better offensive coordinator. If he leaves, that's
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: a good thing. That means he dominated. Yeah, he put
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: a great offense together.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: But I do think McDaniel's a great offensive coordinator. I
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: think he's got a great scheme. I think he's really
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: it's a really sound scheme and they one of my
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: favorite parts about him is how it all fits together
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: like that you can there's a purpose to every single
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: play call and you're draw play you have that doesn't
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: happen as often as people think. And then there's there's
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: build a call. I there's builds two things right, Like
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: we're like, we're gonna run this play because later on
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: in the game we're gonna show the same look and
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: we're gonna run another play off of that play, And like,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: those are the coordinators that are thinking about it. Next level,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: you get too many coordinators nowadays are just call and place,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: like they're just calling plays out of a hat and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: there's no sequencing to what they're doing.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: I wanted so we can stop bitching about the play
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: calls and the offensive coordinator in all seriousness because it's
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: the players.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Trevor writes in really excited about Rabel's higher
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: This is probably more question for Evan, but happy to.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: Hear all your thoughts, So thank you.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: What are the chances we could hire Clint Kubiak to
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: be our OC? Rabel and Kubiak both have ties to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Stefanski and he is a coaching free agent. How would
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: you like to fit? Also, can we bring in Chris
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: olav Uh?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: So, Yeah, guy, Clint Kubiak had a really good start
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: last year with new Orleans when everybody was healthy. They
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: got a lot of injuries, quarterback injuries, things like that,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: and now you know their staff got blown out. So
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: I didn't have them on my list because I just,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I thought that it really fell apart
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: there last year, and I'm kind of looking for the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: next thing instead of you know, kind of that sort
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: of thing. But it's a name, like I'm not ruling
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: it out, like it's definitely somebody that could they could
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: be interested in. He runs the Outside Zone West Coast,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: you know, yes, and he was in San Francisco, uh
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: with Kyle Shanahan.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Let's see who's this. This is William He says, I
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: wasn't listening live yesterday, so I'm writing now with my thoughts.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: When Mike Rabel came to the show and Evan had
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: to stand in the corner, it reminded me of the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: episode of the Office where Robert California takes over Kevin,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: Andy and Daryl's band, So they had to stand in
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: the corner and play the tambourine. Evan, we appreciate you
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: and respect your ball knowledge. I'm excited about Rabel. Still
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: reeling a little bit from the male disaster and feeling
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: bad for Gerard, but this is moving in the right direction. Also,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: why is Albert Brice so upset about the way the
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: Patriots did their search? Calling a garbage seems way out
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: of left field for him, and I'm just confused. He's
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: probably parenting something that somebody else said.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: No, he's not. He's very upset about it.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: Sham, It's a sham.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Sham interviews he did.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: I would just like to know, like, what what difference
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: does it make? They were always gonna end up here.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: So it just if they had done a three week
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: process with all these interviews and all whatever like, and
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: then just hired Rabel a week from now instead of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: on Sunday, would it have really been that much different.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: We talked about it yesterday. The rule needs to be
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: tweaked and or changed or replaced. Yep, it's it just
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: So you should be able to hire who they want
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: to hire.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Let's see Jeff in Canada. You guys touched on this
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: yesterday in the Bonus coverage. I was sort of depressed
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: watching Washington on Sunday night. As Paul stated, they were
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: basically us last year and look at them now. Part
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: of me thinks that's the product of us bringing back
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: so many guys from a four and thirteen team where
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: the commander's got new players. Let's hope Rabels. Let's hope
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: with Rabel that's all in the past. Also correct me
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But Rabel said the word analytics in
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: his opening comments, No way, that wasn't on purpose. He
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: also said the word speed many times. What do you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: take from that?
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: Could he likes analytics?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I loved I love that. I think the Patriots are,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: if not the smallest, one of the smallest analytics departments
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: in the entire NFL in terms of their front office.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: And I'm talking about player evaluation, not like fourth down
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: decision making and that kind of stuff. The amount of
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: analytics that bake into their grades and things like that.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: They are well well behind the times in terms of that.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying it has to be everything, like
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't eBrace every decision I made off of analytics,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: but they are their dinosaurs when it comes to that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: sort of thing. And if he's gonna actually build out
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: an analytics department and have those people involved in personnel decisions,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: I think that's for the best.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 8: I wonder how much analytics plays into Elliott's scouting system
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 8: that he's trying to put in, Like, is that something
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: new you know that maybe he's pushing for. Maybe that's
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: part of the reason why he's been able to stick around.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's important, Like you know, there's all the in
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: game tracking data that we have now about you know,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: how fast I are really running, how fast guys get
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: up the top speed, how quick they are through their
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: you know, their transitions or their breaks as receivers, like
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: those things. Talk about Nikola like we were talking about Yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: you know, the rams have a clip and obviously you know,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: as we know, when it works, they you you parrot it,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: you know, you trumpeted. But they they had like a
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: meeting with Less Sneed and Sean McVay before the draft
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: where they were talking about pokin Niakua and they were
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: saying that Pukinnakua, based off the analytics, is one of
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: the fastest players in college football. But then he ran
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: like a mid four five in the forty yard dash,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: and Sean McVay unless Sneed said, we're not going to
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: pay attention to the forty yard dash because in season
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: he ran perfectly fine, and then they drafted Pukin Nakua
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: in the fifth round and the rest is history.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: So what analytics said that he was faster than four
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: or five? Like what was the.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: The miles per hour tracking in game? So nowadays all
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: these college programs used you know, Zebra Tech or something
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: like that with the chips to track how fast these
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: guys are running, so you can actually you can calculate
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: top speed, you can calculate acceleration, you can top you know,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: calculate in the first ten yards, how fast does he
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: get up into? What speed does he get up to
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: because like obviously, like if you give a guy a
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: forty yard run, he's going to be faster than a
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: guy that's running five, right, but in terms of build
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: up and momentum and things like that, So he was
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: graded out really really high across the board analytically and
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: all those statistics, and that's the speed that they used
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: to you know, basically project what he was going to
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: be into the NFL.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: Franklin and Baltimore. I know, I don't know if they count,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: but I would consider both Luke Getzi and Shane Waldron
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: as OC's not getting the best of their talent. I do.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: No part of this overlaps with fields who wasn't good,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: but if you consider their roster, they'd never lived up
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: to the talent they had.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good one.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: He had a couple of Oka offenses with Seattle, like
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: not not great, but.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: Really good talent though, Yeah, and he had pieces around him.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: I thought they should have been more productive even this year,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: you know, even though it was a rookie quarterback. And
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: I know that the rookie quarterback probably has some maturity
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: issues that he needs to resolve. But I don't think
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: they they had a good plan, Let's put it that way.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Even someone who's not necessarily breaking it down the way
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Evan does. You can watch that game against the Patriots,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: and they didn't look like they had a clue. They
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: were doing a.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: Little bit of breaking news. Okay, not Patriots adjacent.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: Micah Parsons.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: Interesting, The Browns have promoted Tommy Reest to offensive coordinator.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: So it is definitely Patriots adjacent there.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: So he's staying in Cleveland, so.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: We can't make him the assistant head coach.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Across him off the list, Kay Tanaka, right, Sin, It
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: was obvious to any observer watching Josh Reduction press conferences
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: to see the difference in presence between Rabel and Mayo. Unfortunately,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Mayo was unprepared and overwhelmed. I felt on day one
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: they made a terrible but hope for the best. I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: believe he tried too hard to do the right thing
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: for everyone and everything and overlook the essentials of being
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: a head coach by enforcing accountability, discipline, focused strategy, and
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: game planning. Rabel has demonstrated this in his previous work.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Mayo's a good man, He's smart, and I'd like to
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: see him succeed. The best thing for him would be
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: to take a position as a defensive coordinator and build
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: experience and being fully responsible for a defensive team from there.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: I hope he gets another chance at head coach.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: Do you wonder We've talked a lot about that. I
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: threw out Houston just with a Casario connection.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 8: He doesn't have a lot of connections around the league
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 8: to really I think if he does go somewhere else,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 8: it's going to be some random friendship that he had
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 8: that we weren't really aware of it.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: He's really interested in that. I have a differing opinion
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: than most. I'm not sure he's going.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: To get a job well, but.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: You know, I have nothing to base that on with
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: the Tommy Reese thing, and they just put it up
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: on my show, Freddie. I wonder if he'll be calling
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: the place because Stefanski's been a guy who's called plays
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: for the most part, not exclusively, but for the most part,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: he's been a guy. I wonder if he's finally ready
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: to say I think he has. I think there was
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: something in the off season that said that he was
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: willing to step away.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: Fansky start by having his coordinator call the place, and
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: then he took it away from him.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: I think he's done in both ways, you know a
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: little bit. But like Alex van Pelt did not call
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: the place right when he was the coordinator right. So
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: I do wonder if you know, at thirty two, maybe
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: it's a not yet gradual process.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Sam from Saint Catharine's I don't really agree with the
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: notion being pushed that Josh is a QB whisperer or
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: a great developer. Who is he actually developed? Everyone says
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: mac Jones, But he was not heralded as But was
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: he not heralded as the most pro ready QB when
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: he was coming out. Anyone else that came in under
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Josh never really turned into good players. They're all backup
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: level players at most that developed under him. This is
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: not me pooh poohing the idea of Josh coming back.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: I just keep hearing that narrative, but it doesn't make
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: sense to me.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: I would say, the one quarterback other than Mac if
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: we're not giving him Mac that I would give him
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: a lot of credit for is Jimmy Garoppolo. Like, that's
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: a guy that was behind the scenes for what three
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: years here with the Patriots. As soon as Jimmy Garoppolo
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: got to San Francisco, he was ready to start for
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 5: the forty nine ers and had success right out of
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: the gate with San Francisco. They thought that he was
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 5: ready to start here if they had pulled the plug
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: on Brady earlier. So I get that to an extent,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: but I have no questions whatsoever about Josh McDaniel's ability
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: to coach quarterbacks. I think he's been doing that for
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: long enough and has the resume to back up.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I would fall somewhere in between. I do have some reservations,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: but not as many as the emailer. I mean, I
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: think that's what he said is kind of right.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: I think Garoppolo in Castle was sort of mid starters
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: to backups, and I think they've had both of them
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: had success. Castle, people forget was a pro bowler when
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: he went to Kansas City his first year. But neither
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: one of those guys developed into much. And I would
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: say Garoppolo was ready to start in San Francisco. It
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: was like year five. He should have been, you know
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: by that time. This is a little bit of a
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: different situation. And what he said about Mac Jones is true.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: He was.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: As much as I didn't like him, he was considered
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: the most pro ready guy, That's true. And you hated
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: the way that they handled him.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: I did, I would have.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: But whatever would he have done with Mac Jones in
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: year two is always going to be the big absolutely, right.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: Like if he came back with Mac Jones in year two.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: And they didn't play Jacksonville and.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: They didn't, you know, not do anything on the offensive
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: side of the ball to make the roster better, it
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: might have been different.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Well, they did do like the talent that he had,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: they brought in talent around him as a rookie that
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: was the free agent splash class, you know, like that
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: was born Agalore Hunter, Henry John hu Smith. I mean
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: these are guys that I know people are gonna snicker,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: you know at some of those guys like Agalore and Smith.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: There's the guys that have gone to other places and
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: have at least been reasonably productive, especially Smith. Now Agalored
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't catch a lot of passes in Baltimore, but he's
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that tends to catch an important
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: one every week. You know. He didn't do that with
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: the Patriots. I put that not on Josh McDaniels. I
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: put that on mac Jones. But that's me.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Ben in Hershey, Pennsylvania. In twenty twenty two, McDaniels left
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: the Patriots to take the Raiders head coach job. At
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: the time, it seemed like there was a robust roster
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: of talent ready to be elevated, but it all fell
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: apart when Josh took so many coaches in staff with him, Ziegelo, Lombardi, Brisillo,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: hard Degree Graham. Two questions. One would this have left
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: some bitter feelings in New England, making it less likely
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: that McDaniels would come back.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: No, no, no, he was expected.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Everything's fine. If Bill was still here, maybe, I don't know,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: but I don't think there's any bitter feelings in the building.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: And two, how does an up and coming CEO head
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: coach prevent this type of migration in the future. You can't.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 8: You hope you have enough success that your coaches.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: That's a problem, you know. You got to have that pipeline.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: You know, But then you'll pay and promote your coaches.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Don't give you a de facto defensive coordinator the offensive
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: coordinator job.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, give it to Nick Tayley.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: And they'll stay.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Justin writes in This might seem small and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to do with being a good coach,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: but the fact that Rabel actually asked Deuce and Evan
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: about themselves in the interview yesterday shows you what kind
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: of guy he is. Most people in his shoes are
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: so self centered they wouldn't even consider taking the spotlight
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: off themselves for even a second, no offense to draw it, which,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: by the way, can we please stop dancing on his grave?
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: But I'm stoked for Rabel as the head coach. Also,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Evan is the man, But I think his take that
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: Rabel has a ten wins ceiling is beyond silly. See
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: mcderbott and mc dermott and Sirianni, just to name two
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: examples where they're not as good as Rabel and still
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: get over ten wins regularly. P you and Catch twenty
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: two of my favorite shills by far, I keep up
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: the good work. When did you say his ceiling was
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: ten one? Yeah?
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: You know, I just thought when we were going through
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: this whole thing last week on Catch twenty two with
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: Ben Johnson versus variable, I think Rabel was the safe pick.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: I do. I think he and I worry a little
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: bit about the ceiling because in Tennessee you had the
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: twelve win season, he had the trip to the AFC
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: Championship of I don't want to just be an AFC
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: championship games. You want to win championships, right, and I
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: worry about that aspect of it. I think the examples
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: that he gave are fine examples. But if you tell
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: me that Drake May is going to be Josh Allen.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know how they're find example. Who's making the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: determination that Mike Rabel's a better coach than Sean McDermott.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: Or that Jeohn McDermott's done anything Dermott what have they.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: Wont But Jeff just he's one more than Mike Rabel.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: Has he Yeah, I mean in terms of like regular season, sure,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: but he hasn't gotten any further in the playoffs, no
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: championship and the Titans, right, Yeah.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: But he's been more consistent. Sure, he's never had a
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: three and fourteen team.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, Like why we just.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: Absolutely he's had He's had some good players. But like
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: I just would push back on like, well he's better
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: with these two guys right off off the top that
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: won more games, but they have better teams.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: The Eagles are loaded, right right?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: That was that was my.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Eagles are absolutely loaded. Of course they won more games
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: than you know, Like, I don't know what Mike Rabel
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: would do with the Eagles, but I know Nick's won
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: fourteen games with them.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I think Nick, but he might I don't.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, But I don't.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: Think mcdermot's thinks because I think McDermott is coach mc
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: he he pulls his weight on the defensive side of
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: the ball, right, like he's an actually good defensive.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: It's funny because I think that the defense is going
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: to end up.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but they have that ability on defense like Bill
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: used to that they can plug and play, they can
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: move on from guys and their defense is still.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: A big linebacker is a perfect example of everybody. Everybody
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: was up in arms. I'm I let this guy walk.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah injured to here on. He's got the best roster
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: in football. Maybe he's got freaking Fangio running his defense.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know why, because we know Mike Rabel.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: He's automatically a better coach than Sean McDermott, who we
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: don't like because he coaches the Bills, right, Right, isn't
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: that right? I mean, I mean you have that smirk, Fred,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: you can you can fire back.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: You're ready. I could see it, you know, whenever you
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: mentioned McDermott, I.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: Think he gets tight. There's no doubt. Like I think
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: the ra thing is absolutely appropriate for him. But he's
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: a pretty good coach. He's a pretty good coach, and
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: if he ends up losing a job, it's going to
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: be because he didn't win a super Bowl, not because
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: he couldn't get to the playoffs. Right, That's why Rabel
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: lost his job because he couldn't get his team to
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. At the end.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the tput line. Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: What's up Todd?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, Uh, it's really great to read the mail
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 10: bag and see that the Shady Acres thing is taking
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 10: some of the bite out of Paul. It was really
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 10: he was really professional and even generous in his answers
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 10: to some of the people. It's been kind of.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Cool to hear.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: Well, just I'm curious to know which which guy you
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 10: think would best suit for OC. I tried to read
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 10: through all of the names that haven't put down, and
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 10: the only two that stood out to me were A
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 10: v P. Well three a v P. Josh McCown but
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 10: he's like and Reese. But you guys said Reese was taken.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 10: So I'd like to hear two from each of you
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 10: about which guys you would want to come in here
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 10: and to work with.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: Drake may like that, all right, thanks, I mean I'll
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: take obviously, Josh is on my list. Trying to remember
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: your list.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: Josh McCown, and I don't know if he pops up
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 8: to the to that Tommy Reese spot right now for me,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 8: But yeah.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: Now that Reese is off the board, the two Josh
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: McDaniels and Siltan McCown what.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about. We were talking about off
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: air a little bit. Is there a chance that despite
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: all the accolades that Ben Johnson is getting as an OC,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't interview well and doesn't get a head
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: coaching job.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, he turned down the head coaching job
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: last year Washington.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: That's right, they wanted him. You're right, you're right. Yeah,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Schefter said, I've just heard all this stuff about him
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: being bizarre and kind of a very an introvert and
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. Have you heard that about Ben Johnson?
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: No other than the guy who called in and ripped him.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: The only thing I've ever heard about him is he's
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: really demanding on his place, This tough on the players.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: This is recently. I heard this.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't say, you're right. I said, no, I haven't
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: heard it.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 7: I didn't hear I've never heard bizarre necessarily.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: I've just he's he's a film junkie, like he's going
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: to be the he's a mastermind, like he's not going
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: to be the raw, raw guy at the front of
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: the room that's getting everybody jacked up. He's gonna get
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: you confident because you're going to be so well prepared,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: you know going into games that you're just gonna it's
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: it's all, you know, a little bit more like Bill's
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: side of the street than you know, like a RaRo McVeigh.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 8: Like I think that's to Fred's point. It's like McVeigh
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 8: has both. McVeigh has the tight pants, but he's also
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 8: real personable and I think might.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: Be the best coach in the league besides Andy Reid.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: I mean that guy, he's a complete package. Like he's
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: got that ability to motivate, and he's one of the
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: best offensive minds.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: In football, calls plays and when he on.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 7: This fantastic back and forth, fantastic.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: His only mistake was you need those stretch.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: That was moving all the time he pulled me.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 8: I just wanted, you know, before we playing the Super Bowl, Man,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 8: you're awesome, and.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: I would literally do that. Like, I think that guy
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: is an unbelievably good coach, Like just the entire package.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: That's why I want off his staff, like Nick Keley,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: who's the quarterbacks.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: But don't don't fall into the same trap that people
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: did with the Pagos. I want somebody off Bill's staff
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: and they don't do well.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: I think the guy replicate, I'm not looking for a
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: head coach a little want I want a guy doing
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: what he's doing now. I want him doing it here.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: Nick Keyley, Nick Kelly, Okay, So Nick Caley's gotten a
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: little bit of love in in uh in Ramsland because
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: he's actually McVeigh has has taken some of the Patriots
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: stuff this year with Kaylee and put some of that
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: in their passing game because Kaylee's now the pass game coordinator.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 7: As well as the Titans coach.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: So they they actually run the Patriots NASCAR package now
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: they're up tempo, hurry up and uh. And that was
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: all Kaylee, like, you know, saying this is how we
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: did it in New England and mcvagh putting that stuff in.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: So he's like the the blend of the new and
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: the old. Right.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: Just so you know, I did the mail bag before
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: Rabel came in here yesterday, So I had the mail
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: bag already done before Rabel came in and was joking
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: around with us. It wasn't you know response.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard to argue with that McVeigh. Isn't
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: the top if not, you know, he's he's up there.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: He's really good. So I was saying, like like there
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: was a lot of pushback on him because of you know,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: less sneeds, you know, f them picks. We don't need
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: this and oh that's I mean, if you want to
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: buy a championship, you can, you can, you can win
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: one doing it that way, but you know you'll have
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: fun being good one year and then going back to
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: the bottom, which people in this building have said. By
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: the way, he now is eight and four as a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: play in the playoffs, which means that he's been in
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: the playoffs five times. That's a lot of like one
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: and done's like, that's you know what I mean, that's
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of like one. You know, they have fun
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: winning your one title. That's five different times they've been
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs. They've cycled it through. They have the
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: youngest defense in football right now. They played an unbelievable
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: game last night. I know some of that had to
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: do with Sam Darnold. I'm not they should they've had
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: nine cells. He was holding the ball forever. Yeah, a
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: lot of that was on Sam Donald last night. But
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: they're a pretty good program. Yeah, really, they're pretty good,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: pretty good program, and it's not just gonna go away.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: Like, I mean, what's going on in LA right now
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: is obviously awful. And they had this whole situation where
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: like their families are coming with them, their dogs and
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: their cats are coming with them, and like he held
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: the entire thing together and they absolutely destroyed the Vikings.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: They played the last game of the year against Seattle
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: with all backups and came within like five yards of winning,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: like all backups. He completely didn't care. This is the
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: other thing that I think is kind of impressive. He
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: found there to be no difference between going to Tampa
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: and I mean hosting not hosting Tampa, hosting probably Washington,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: or hosting fourteen win Minnesota. He found no difference there was, right, Yeah,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: Like that's would you that's confidence?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 7: Would you think him one?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: Would you think of that?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: Of that?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 8: I guess it was an incomplete pass from Stafford.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: That was terrible.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: It's a terrible rule.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible rule.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: It's like it seemed like he was intentionally trying to
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 8: ground the ball instead of trying to complete a pass.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: To me, well, I hate intentional grounding.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Well, is that the one that was returned and called that? Yeah,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: that was he was flipping it out of his head
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: down he did. Yeah, he did an incomplete pass.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: But I hate it. I hate it, like that should
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: not be so.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: But Nakua was actually running around in that area right right.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 8: But but but but he was trying to complete a
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: pass to him barely.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: So you're saying it should have been a penalty.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: I think it should. I mean, I don't know if
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: you're going to call it.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: I think it should be a fumble, and I know
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: it's not. I know it's not. But I don't think
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: you should be able to do that.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: No, No, you should be able to do it, right,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 8: that's what I have to do it in the vicinity
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 8: of a player.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: No, but you're just saying it will be a penalty.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think you should be like this far.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: It should be a penalty. I'm saying it was an
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: incomplete pass.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: I know what they called. I know, I know what
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: the ruling is, I know what the rules are. Like,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: can we not disagree with some of the rules. I
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: don't think you should be able to do that as
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: a pass. That's not a pass.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a pass.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: I know understand everyone understands what I'm talking about.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's not why the Vikings lost, like.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: God, but it could have changed the game, tied it up.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think the Vikings got screwed. Don't don't misunderstand this.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: There's a problem with the rule. I don't think that
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks should be allowed to do that and have that
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: be considered a pass. Okay, that's all all right, but
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: you are but you are allowed to do it, and
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: it clearly was a pass. I agree with you.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 15: Hey doing today?
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: How are you feeling?
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 15: Eldred disappointed?
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: I wanted up, wanted Johns from the well from.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 15: The report after that video chat. He thought he would
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 15: it would be the Patriots coach, but I know they
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 15: won't grabel because of premiarity, and I'm just you know,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 15: I know it's a pretty good coach. Well, I agree
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 15: with it in twelve season games, whatever, playoffs, but he
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 15: will brain discipline. But my question is, if y'all can
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 15: answer for me real quick, how you think his guy
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 15: just got released from the Giant of Ryan Coden picked
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 15: John office under Elliott Wolf as you know in the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 15: GM department. I take that off the air.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: What's your question, though, he's he's going to be the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: number two guy by all appearances, at least initially in
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: the short term. What happens after the draft? I have
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: no idea, but he's a guy that that Rabel trusts
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: and likes.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it. We're almost out of time. But
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: Reese was on with Zoe and Beatle I think right
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: my show, Yeah, this afternoon and said that his understanding,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: this is Reese's reporting, is that Mike Rabel is going
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: to have final personnel say right.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: So it's exactly he's running the personnel by proxy. So
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: they're gonna work together Cowden and Wolf, and when they
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: have a disagreement, Rabel's going to have the final say yeah,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: they'll come to him with issues.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: That's the way I lie. I think Phil Perry said
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: the same thing this morning. That's what a lot of
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: people seem to think it's going.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, well listen, the way it's going here
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: is that that's the end of the show. We'll be
• 1:58:42
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• 1:58:46
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• 1:58:48
  Speaker 5: At noon at noon.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Yep. So look forward to that you and Alex can
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: battle it out. He got his way, So what's that?
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: He got Rabel?
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: He got Rabel? Yeah, okay, all right, so he's a
• 1:58:59
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