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UK Column News - 23rd July 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Wednesday the 23rd of July,
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just after, well, 1:00. Welcome to UK column news from
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your host, Mike Robinson. Mike Hulk host.
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Today in the studio is Charles Mallett.
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Welcome to the program, Charles. Thank you, Mike.
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And joining us via Live Link, our researcher and activist
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Sandy Adams and journalists and peace campaigner Vanessa Bailey.
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Now, later in the programme, we'll have a report on the
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inquest of the passing of Kit Shamarani's daughter, uh, used
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so cynically by the BBC's Mariana Spring to push her
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agenda. Uh, Vanessa will be reporting on
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Trump's forced removal of people in prison to prisons in South
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America. And Sandy will be reporting on
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more success against the green agenda at council level.
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But we'll begin today with Charles and the ongoing migrant
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crisis and its use in the promotion of one policy agenda,
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at least Charles. That's right, one very
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particular policy agenda. And there are a number of
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apparently loosely related Home Affairs stories that have been
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inserted into the new cycle in the past week.
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And I would suggest that if you've been following UK column
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news for a period of time, you will know what the destination
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is. But the start point, suffice it
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to say, is illegal migration, and in particular the various
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responses to it. We have reports of agreements
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with France, new policies concerning small boat crossings,
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all of which steadfastly ignore the unstaunched flow of legal
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migration. Now the Office for National
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Statistics reports that net migration has dropped to 431,000
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for the year to end 2024. This is still double what it was
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a decade ago and the government wants you to look exclusively at
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the people smuggling gangs, which is, statistically
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speaking, at least a small percentage of the problem.
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Now the Home Office and the Foreign and Commonwealth and
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Development Office have issued a joint statement about sanctions
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to be imposed on the gangs in order to, quote, disrupt the
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flow of money and materials, including freezing property,
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bank accounts and other assets which allow organised criminal
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gangs to facilitate irregular migration to the UK.
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End Quote. The recently lifted super
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injunction on the Afghan data breach, which is reported to
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have cost the taxpayer billions, has been neatly slotted into
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this narrative. The breach went unnoticed for 18
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months, so it's hard to argue that there was a genuine threat
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to the lives of those that the government has subsequently
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claimed to protect. All of which makes it look like
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the court action was designed to hide the failure and the cost,
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but also to enable the airing of the story at exactly the right
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time. Which turns out to be now.
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There's no doubt that large groups of young male foreign
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nationals being corralled in the same place within small
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communities is a terrible idea. And this is precisely the issue
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that's being confronted by the people of Epping and of Dis
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among many others. The catalyst in Epping appears
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to be the charging of a migrant with the sexual assault of a
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local girl. And the police are reported as
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having acted in such a way as to inflamed the situation by, in
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particular, transporting counter protesters from the station to
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the Bell Hotel. We've a report from Will
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Coleshill which will play to you in News Extra, so if you're not
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yet Auk column member then you'll need to join us to be
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able to view that. Today's Daily Mail rites of
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fears of riots akin to those stoked in the wake of the
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Southport events last August and due to the ongoing protests.
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Epping in particular has attracted the mainstream media
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racist hunters who are desperate to find people to conform to
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their image of a far right fascist.
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Well, the BBC at least hasn't had much luck, and Victoria
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Derbyshire was openly surprised by what this man had to say.
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I've just been talking to the council leader and he said that
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Tommy Robinson is expected here. What do you think of that?
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I look, I'm mixed race, OK? I'm going to stay that.
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I'm mixed race. I'm I'm old enough to remember
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the BNP. Tommy Robinson is not racist.
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As far as you're concerned, he is welcome here.
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I think he for me personally, I don't mean he's a good idea.
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Oh. Because of the amount of people
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he'll bring outside the area at the moment, it's a local thing
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for local people who want to voice their opinion and want the
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government to do something about it.
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You bring Tommy Robinson here with all the good intentions in
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the world. I don't think he's going to.
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So there's a final word missed there, which was end well.
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He said he didn't think it was going to end well.
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And I'd say the final comments on whether or not an influx of
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outsiders headed up by Tommy Robinson or others are extremely
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astute. Now, as pointed out at the time,
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the riots of 2024 were almost exclusively driven by those from
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outside the communities which were affected, and thus the
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desired result was gifted to the government.
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Suddenly everyone was an extremist and the full force of
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the law was to be felt then as it is now.
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The way was paved for new police powers and new legislative
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measures. And now 20 years since the 77
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events in London, the BBC is running a series called State of
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Terror. And the Home Secretary Yvette
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Cooper has featured on a recent programme talking about the new
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laws she is to create which will concern what she calls mass
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attacks, which was which are specifically not conducted by
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terrorists. Essentially what she's talking
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about is a pre crime interference which is already
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possible under terrorism legislation and Cooper wants to
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push the edge of the envelope. At this point it's worth
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reminding you that the actions of criminal damage for which the
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Palestine Action Group was prescribed as terrorist were to
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put paint on 2 aeroplanes. Returning to the specifics of
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housing migrants, this is what the Prime Minister said when
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asked by the Chair of the Liaison Committee, Meg Hillier,
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how he would manage the problem. What other accommodation
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precisely are you planning to take over to provide temporary
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accommodation for for families? Oh, there's lots of housing and
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many local authorities that can be used, and we're identifying
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where it can be used. But I mean look.
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Sorry, can you give us have? You got any examples you can
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give us because? No, but I'll I'll, I'll write in
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and give you details. I could say certainly the number
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of our local authorities are are already picking up from around
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the table. There isn't a lot of spare
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housing available. If there were, councils would be
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able to be dealing with it by now.
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Well, exactly. Completely out of touch as
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always, the truth is very hard to get to and quite what he
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meant by exactly at the end is anyone's guess.
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At least. Housing though was mentioned in
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the Labour manifesto, but digital identity was not.
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However, there can be no doubt at all that these strands are
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leading to one point of focus and that is digital identity.
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The Brit card here seen on screen has been proposed by the
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Labour Together think tank with impeccable timing as the entire
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scan is predicated on the battle against illegal migration.
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Now from the proposal document, we see that they say 1,000,000
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people live in the UK without permission to do so, undermining
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Britain's social contract and sense of Fair play.
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And it goes on to advocate for a mandatory universal national
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identity credential. Brit Card can help Britain
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control illegal migration and secure its borders.
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And with that, I'll draw to a close as Mike's got more on this
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specific issue. Well, indeed.
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And so the Home Affairs Select Committee has a cross.
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Sorry. They describe themselves as a
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cross party committee of MPs responsible for scrutinising the
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work of the Home Office and its associated bodies.
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It says that it examines government policy spending and
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the law in areas including immigration, security and
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policing. But just like the Intelligence
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and Security Committee which we were discussing on this program
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last week, they are more about, or at least I would argue
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they're more about creating justifications for government
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policy. So let's take their latest
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consultation for example, which is all about harnessing the
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potential of new digital forms of identification.
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And I'm going to say thanks to Andrew for the tip off for this.
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Now, digital ID can refer to many different aspects of a
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person's identity, they say, which can be recorded and stored
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digitally, including names and demographic information, digital
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versions of government issued documents such as visas, or even
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biometric information like fingerprint or face scan.
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And they say that in an increasingly digital world,
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several countries have begun to develop digital ID systems in
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support of functions like identification, proof of
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residence and facilitating access to government services.
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They go on to say that they've been calls for the UK to adopt
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digital ID, with those arguing for its introduction saying it
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would have benefits in like improving citizens access to
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services and supporting more effective enforcement of
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immigration rules. Just by coincidence they happen
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to be banging on with exactly the same narrative that Charles
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been talking about just a few seconds ago.
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So they are running a consultation on digital ID and
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the closing date for that is the 21st of August.
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The call for evidence is asking several questions.
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How effectively is data relating to individuals currently being
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used and shared by Home Office and it's agencies?
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What potential benefits could be could the use of new forms of
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government issued digital ID have for the government's
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ambition to reduce crime and manage migration?
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What different categories of information about individuals
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could most usefully be included in government issued digital
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identification? Another question is what
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potential risks does the adoption of new forms of digital
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identification have for individuals, including risks to
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privacy and security of personal data?
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And another final question is what capabilities could the Home
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Office and and its agencies need to develop efficiently, Sorry,
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introduce to efficiently introduce and take advantage of
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new forms of digital identification?
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Sorry, there is one more How could the adoption of new forms
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of identification improve efficiency and interactions
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between the Home Office or law enforcement agencies and other
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government departments? And so they go on.
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So this is very much about justification, not scrutiny, in
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my opinion. My Big Brother Watch is running
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an active campaign on this issue, and they provide a
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template for responses to the Home Affairs Committee.
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But as they themselves acknowledge, it's a bad idea
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just to use a templated response, so they recommend you
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take the time to write your own, because otherwise responses can
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be dismissed out of hand. And I would say that for all the
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naysayers out there who refuse to take the time to make this
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kind of effort, just remember that everyone who is silent is
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taken to agree. And really, that is the point,
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Charles. I think it's absolutely the
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point and I think in a way last summer was a sort of warm up
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exercise. I mean, cynical as that may
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sound, with exploiting the events in and around Southport.
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And this year there's a there's a, in effect, a change of tack,
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but it should really be regarded as a development of the same
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thing. And of course, the other thing
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that I would point out is that the statement issued by Yvette
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Cooper and David Lammy talking about controlling and freezing
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assets belonging to the migrant gangs.
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Of course, what they're not going to say, but you should
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absolutely be aware of is at the moment there's any advance in
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the move towards digital identity and the digital
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currency, That's exactly what can happen to you and indeed
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anybody else. But the key point of this
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segment is to really reinforce the idea and recommend people
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that pay attention to the possibility that this irregular
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migration issue is being stocked up in order to drive forward
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this digital identity policy amongst with others.
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Absolutely yes. Vanessa, let's let me welcome
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you to the program and, well, let's have a look at Donald
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Trump's removal of people from the United States into prisons
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in South America. Yeah, I mean, we reported on
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this with some pretty disturbing videos if you're a member of
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Donald Trump, illegally deporting immigrants of all
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nationalities. But in particular, 200
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Venezuelans that were claimed to be gang members or in some media
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reported as being terrorists, but of course, they were
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deported without any due legal process whatsoever.
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And recently, for example, this is an article in Politico, there
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has been recent moves for actually the repatriation of
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many of the Venezuelan deportees in return for 10 American
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citizens to be sent back eventually to the US by the
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Venezuelan government. But I just want to remind people
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of what the San Salvador Centre that one of the toughest prisons
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in Latin America, a pioneer project for Buchele the the
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president of San Salvador. This was a Reuters report back
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then which shows the conditions for the prisoners.
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The US has sent. Hundreds of mostly Venezuelan
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migrants to be held without trial at this mega prison in El
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Salvador. It's known as SECOT, an acronym
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for Terrorism Confinement Center in Spanish.
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The prison opened in February 2023 as part of Salvadoran
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President Naive Buchelli's highly popular hardline security
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policy, which has resulted in a sharp drop in homicides.
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El Salvador claims it is Latin America's biggest, with capacity
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for 40,000 inmates. It stretches across 57 acres and
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is located in an isolated rural region east of the capital, San
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Salvador. Blue Calais has said the prison
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cost $115 million to develop and equip.
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Video taken from inside the facility often shows prisoners
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tightly packed together. Sorry, extraordinary horrendous
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conditions that these probably majority innocent detainees were
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being held in. And this basically was something
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that happened back in May where Venezuela's government has
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launched a campaign demanding the return of two year old
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Michael Espinosa Bernal, who remains in US custody after both
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her parents were deported without her.
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Her parents were accused of being gang members without any
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evidence or criminal charges. Her mother was deported to
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Venezuela, while her father was sent to El Salvador and
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imprisoned indefinitely without charge in the notorious secret
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prison. So let's just have a look at the
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photo of the family prior to the the deportation of the parents.
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Now, since then, I'm happy to report that the Venezuelan
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government has campaigned and the baby has been returned to
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her parents, with the father having been released in the
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latest deal with the United States from the Secot prison in
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San Salvador. And now, of course, what is
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happening is that Venezuela is accusing El Salvador of
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torturing the migrants under their control in the Secot
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prison. The attorney general, Tarek
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Saab, said Monday that his office will investigate
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President Naive Bokele and two officials over alleged abuse of
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Venezuelans detained in El Salvador.
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And let's see what he actually said in In the report, which is
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on France, 24 detainees suffered human rights abuses ranging from
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sexual abuse to beatings, were denied medical care or treated
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without anesthesia, and given food and water.
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That made them I'll, Saab said at a press conference.
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Some detainees showed obvious signs of torture and injuries,
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including missing teeth, bruising and scars, which were
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said to be as a result of the abuse they suffered in what
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appears to be like nothing more than another CIA black site.
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And I just want to show this video of the return of the
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American prisoners from Venezuela to San Salvador.
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And then it will be followed by images of the Venezuelan
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detainees returning to Caracas and, and you can see the
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difference between the between the two. 10US detainees held in
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Venezuela waved American flags as they touched down in El
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Salvador on Friday. The group on route to the US is
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part of a coordinated prisoner exchange.
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Over 200 Venezuelans who were deported from the US on
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allegations of gang membership earlier this year and detained
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in an El Salvador jail arrived home to Caracas.
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U.S. President Donald Trump had
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invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to swiftly deport them to El
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Salvador's notorious sea. Caught.
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Maximum security prison. The deportations drew fierce
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criticism from human rights groups and a legal battle with
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the Trump administration over allegations that due process was
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not followed. Family members and lawyers
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representing many of the detained Venezuelans deny they
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had gang ties, and lawyers say they were not given a chance to
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contest the Trump administration's allegations in
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court. And of course, there are
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benefits for San Salvador and Naive Buchello as a result of
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him providing the prison area for for these deportees to be
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kept and clearly tortured. And so this was an article in
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the last few days from the New York Times how El Salvador is
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reaping rewards from Trump's deportation agenda.
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And let's have a look at what it actually says.
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So in part of the article, they say that an investigation led by
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The New York Times found that the US government not only paid
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Mr. Buchelli's government around 5 million to incarcerate more
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than 200 Venezuelan deportees, but added a bonus at his
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request. The return to El Salvador of
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several top MS13 leaders in American custody.
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MS13 are basically a San Salvador gang that originated in
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Los Angeles to ostensibly protect refugees from San
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Salvador during the civil war. And then basically, if if we
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consider that what might happen with this project that has been
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launched by Bokele and profited from by Trump, of course, this
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could lead to the replication of these kind of prisons and
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detention centres across Latin America, just as we saw
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previously in the Middle East to act as detention centres for
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deportees and torture centres for anyone that that the US
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deems to be ready for deportation.
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But then I also wanted to show this is actually an article in
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the Telegraph that was published today.
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Inside Alligator Alcatraz, prisoners describe nightmare
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conditions. And if we have a look at the
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content of the article itself, cooped up like chickens in
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cages, eaten alive by bloodthirsty mosquitoes, and
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living in cells said to be awash with human waste and filth.
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They're just some of the appalling conditions described
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at Alligator Alcatraz, the Florida prison which has become
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the latest symbol of the Trump administration's uncompromising
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attitude on immigration enforcement.
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Built on the site of an abandoned airstrip deep in
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Florida's Everglades, set in a mosquito ridden swamp infested
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with pythons and crawling with alligators, the mega jail can
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house up to 3000 migrants. There's only one Rd.
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The only way is out through a one way flight, declared
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Caroline Leavitt, the White House press secretary.
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Last month, and I think one of the more frightening aspects of
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this, which is where I bring in the comparison to what is
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happening in Gaza and effectively across the Middle
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East, this was a statement from a Venezuelan detainee in this
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Alcatraz. The conditions in which we are
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living are inhuman. My main concern is the
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psychological pressure they're putting on people to sign their
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own self deportation. Well, that reminds me very much
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of the situation in Gaza, where people are being put forced to
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go through such horrific conditions that they will be
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forced to leave of their own volition.
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Thank you for that, Vanessa. Thank you.
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Quite grim. And as you say, there'll be,
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we'll be sort of linking that to what's going on in Gaza later on
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in the programme. Before we get there though, we'd
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Now tonight on Germ Warfare, Germ will be speaking to
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Austrian Scott and he's going to be talking about debunking myths
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about China. Tomorrow at 1:00 PM on the live
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stream. Brian will be speaking to Lynn
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Lopez Salzedo who is Israeli but former Zionist becoming an anti
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Zionist and she'll be talking about that journey.
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I saw a few other advertisements here on Friday.
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This Friday evening, Andrew Bridging will be speaking in the
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Seven Stars Hotel in Totnes. Tickets are going fast for that.
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I urge everybody that would like to go that anybody that's in the
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Southwest, please do consider going to it and grab your ticket
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on Eventbrite if you possibly can.
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Tickets are available on the door but as I say tickets are
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going fast so probably best if you possibly can to book in
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advance. And then on Saturday the a
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Glasgow Peace rally. Stanford Peace is hosting the
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latest Glasgow Peace Rally in Glasgow.
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It starts at 12:00 PM. Details will be in the show
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notes, but get along to that if you possibly can.
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And Sandy, very briefly, then well, welcome to the programme.
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First of all, but very briefly, the the Glastonbury event that's
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been on and off and on and off is apparently on again.
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It's finally on and it's on private land in Langport in
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Somerset, celebrating freedom of speech with Clive de Clark,
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Richard Vogbes and myself. Arrive at 1:00 PM.
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I'll be speaking about all things 2030 as usual and there's
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a wood fired pizza and a bar open till 11:00 PM and it's the
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happy end the Windmill Lane TA10 9EP so come along and enjoy
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freedom of speech. Thank you.
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And then finally, well, no, not quite finally, almost finally,
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the Hope Festival. We will all be at the Hope
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Festival. And we, in fact, we're in charge
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of a tent for a whole day. Charles for speaking events.
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Believe it or not, we are. Yeah, I know that would be a
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terrific day. All day Saturday UK call them,
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have the tent. So get to the event 1st and then
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get to the tent. And then finally, the UK column
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on location event, the date for the Darius the 18th of October
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2025. The topic's going to be health
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tickets going on sale on Monday the 28th.
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That's this coming Monday. And we'll have details of
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speakers and so on for you then. So well, anything else to add?
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Well, I think to make the point that tickets both in person and
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live stream tickets will be going on sale on on Monday.
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So if you know you're not going to be able to make it in person,
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don't worry, you will be able to to get your live stream tickets
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immediately. OK, now, Charles, let's talk
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about the ongoing inquest into the daughter of Kate Schemerani.
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Yes, absolutely. Now, Brian was talking about
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this, or at least the way it's been treated by elements of the
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mainstream media on Monday and therefore today what we're going
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to do is start with a report from Will Coleshill, who's been
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following the inquest into the death of Pomoma Schemerani.
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Hello, my name is Will Coleshill, reporting for UK
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column and today I'm down at Ken and Midway Coroner's Court
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reporting on the inquest into the death of Paloma Shamrani and
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about whom many people would have heard quite a lot
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considering the recent BBC smears and attacks.
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Obviously many people will know Paloma as the daughter of Kate,
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famous freedom activist, but this has been a very interesting
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case. It involves the NHS, involves
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the BBC parano Rama, Mariana Spring and we have had the first
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day of the inquest today. We've seen a few bombshells
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being dropped this day, mostly focused around the evidence of a
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Doctor Mohan, one of the key doctors who's going to be
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testifying in this case. Now, most of the claims and most
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the attacks by the BBC revolved around the concept that Kate was
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somehow coercing her daughter into dangerous medical treatment
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and these were put forth by her son Sebastian and Gabriel.
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Gabriel was in court today. He attempted to question Doctor
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Mohan on this as the coercion and Doctor Mohan was quite clear
25:41
Paloma had competence and there was no coercion was being
25:46
alleged here by Cake is that her daughter was medicated without
25:50
her consent which weakened her and moved her down the path to
25:53
her death. Cake had the opportunity today
25:56
to question Doctor Mohan and took a substantial amount of
25:59
time questioning her and her conduct and that of her
26:03
colleagues. In particular our concerns with
26:07
what drugs Gloma was given, when she was given them, how much she
26:13
was given and whether she was given the correct information
26:16
and even the correct information as to her diagnosis.
26:20
Some of the main contention points were that she was given
26:22
no wristband by which to identify her, the fact that she
26:26
did not sign a written consent form as is part of the procedure
26:29
of the hospital, the fact that she was given a large dose of
26:34
steroids as admitted by Doctor Mohan.
26:36
Despite it being alleged she was only offered a small dose, and
26:40
being denied her information, including her Histology, in
26:45
order to make an informed decision which she could pass
26:47
over to doctors for second opinions.
26:50
In fact, Paloma was allegedly only able to get her Histology
26:55
through a subject access report. But I spoke to some of the
26:58
mainstream media reporters down here today and it was quite
27:01
interesting that a lot of them weren't aware of the statements.
27:05
Her statements couldn't be clearer.
27:06
They are very, very specific that she said that she wanted to
27:10
choose the natural path over chemotherapy, which she
27:13
considered to be dangerous. It seems in this case, her
27:17
mother's position and her mother's prominence may have
27:21
factored into how doctors treated Paloma.
27:24
In fact, after Paloma discharged herself, doctors were still
27:28
attempting to persuade Paloma to go back into chemotherapy for a
27:33
substantial amount of time. There was some contention with
27:36
the coroner between the coroner and Kate, as Kate continually
27:39
read out again and again the statements signed by Paloma.
27:44
At some point Kate was muted, which was particularly
27:48
interesting in the court. However, it is more relaxed than
27:51
most courts have been down to now.
27:53
This is just the first day of this inquest.
27:55
This is just the first stage which led to Paloma moving in
28:00
with her mother to look after her, keep her safe before the
28:04
eventual incident that led to her death.
28:07
But this is the start of that road.
28:09
I'm going to be back down covering more of this and I
28:12
think there are massive implications with regards to it.
28:17
We'll have more from Will in due course about this, but it's
28:21
perfectly obvious, even if you've had no previous contact
28:25
with this case, that there are enormous number of issues that
28:27
come out of it that that bear serious scrutiny and indeed many
28:34
that concern elements well beyond the remit of the various
28:38
organisations and medical professionals that were
28:41
concerned in this case. On top of which, of course,
28:44
regardless of your point of view on Kate Shamarani or indeed the
28:48
the wider family, the fact that the family has been dragged into
28:51
this in a sort of propagandist, sensationalist sense is,
28:57
objectively speaking, seemingly completely abhorrent.
29:00
Now what I'd like to do is point you towards an article published
29:04
on the UK column website just yesterday by Eugenie Vernie when
29:08
Marianna met the Shemeranis. How reporting becomes
29:12
propaganda. Now you'll remember that Brian
29:14
has recently spoken to Eugenie for a very interesting interview
29:17
about her career in journalism and indeed how she's seen the
29:20
system be subverted in front of her very eyes.
29:23
It's a very well constructed piece and I really would
29:25
encourage that you do look at that and also in terms of UK
29:30
column content. The other issue that that's
29:32
brought to the fore is this very problematic area of organ and
29:37
tissue donation and No Time to Die, an article which is on the
29:41
website and has been some time by Doctor Mike Williams really
29:44
gets into all the issues that that presents.
29:47
So there's there is a lot more to come out in this.
29:51
I don't know, Mike, if you've got a few words to say on this
29:53
or whether it's something that we look into more in in extra,
29:57
but nonetheless, I really would encourage you to go into those
30:00
articles on the website. Now, we'll, we'll cover this
30:03
more in extra, but in a related topic, you know, another day,
30:07
another the platform has decided to leave the UK because of the
30:11
Online Safety Act. And what we're talking about
30:13
here in many ways is related to freedom of speech and the
30:16
ability to make your own decisions and these kinds of
30:18
things. Now, in this case, it is an
30:21
organization called or a company called Janitor AI, which very
30:26
few will be sad to see them gone perhaps, but it's the principle
30:29
which is of importance here. In their statement, Janitor AI
30:33
said quotes. We have to block UK access to
30:36
Janitor AI starting July 24th and just so that's just four
30:42
days notice, they said the in the blog post they said, I know
30:45
this is a terrible, this is terrible timing and I'm
30:47
genuinely sorry about that. We've been trying to wrap our
30:50
heads around the UK Online Safety Act and honestly a
30:53
completely botched understanding what this thing actually
30:56
requires. When it first passed, they said
30:59
in the blog post I thought, OK, some new content moderation
31:03
rules, we can handle that. Turns out I was dead wrong.
31:06
This is not just a content moderation, this is a complete
31:09
regulatory framework that assumes every platform is a tech
31:12
giant. And this is the problem and very
31:14
much the point that we at the UK column have been making since
31:17
the beginning of this. And in the blog post, they go on
31:20
to say that the requirements are insane.
31:23
They talk about legal risk assessments that cost more than
31:27
our entire monthly budget. They talk about biometric ID
31:30
verification systems, brackets. Reddit is implementing Persona
31:34
for It's for this, which costs 1 1/2 dollars, $1.50 per person.
31:41
Constant legal review of thousands of pages of guidelines
31:44
that keep changing. And they talk about the
31:46
penalties, which include fines of up to £18 million plus
31:50
personal criminal liability for the chief executive and their
31:54
team. Actual jail time if Ofcom
31:57
decides that they screwed up. Well, the janitor AI statement
32:01
mentioned that Reddit will be using Persona for age
32:05
verification. Now they say that Persona,
32:08
sorry, this is Persona. They say at Persona, we're
32:12
humanizing online identity by helping companies verify that
32:16
their users are who they say they are.
32:19
Now this is really ironic because there's literally 0
32:22
information about the Persona team or its board on their
32:27
website. And bearing in mind that they're
32:30
collecting their collection is all collecting data is all about
32:34
what is what their company is all about.
32:37
So they're collecting highly sensitive personal information,
32:40
ostensibly for Know your customer purposes, and their
32:44
privacy policies and disclosures provide exactly no information
32:47
about limitations and how data that they collect is kept.
32:52
So, you know, it's pretty ironic that they refuse to comment on
32:55
who they are. But in the meantime, then Ofcom
32:59
has published its guidelines for yet another layer of compliance
33:03
administration which every platform will have to carry out,
33:07
and that's transparency reports. Now this requirement will apply
33:11
to all categorized services, So larger companies, or at least
33:15
companies with more than 3,000,000 UK users.
33:19
This might seem like a great thing.
33:21
Platforms will have to publish reports detailing how they've
33:24
kept children safe. But this is again cover for
33:28
censorship, as the fact checkers are well aware of, because
33:31
they're banged to be part of the regime.
33:33
They demand to be given access to data related to so-called
33:36
misinformation so that that data becomes part of the transparency
33:40
reporting. It is still unclear to what
33:43
degree that will take place, but one of the bodies which Ofcom is
33:47
still required to set up as part of the Online Safety Act is
33:50
called the Advisory Committee on Disinformation and
33:53
Misinformation and the fact checkers expect to be part of
33:56
that. So since the Online Safety Act
33:59
has moved on a pace and with each new development we see a
34:04
greater and greater chilling effect on freedom of speech.
34:08
Now I'll just end by pointing out this repeal the Online
34:13
Safety Act petition, which has around 30,000 signatures
34:16
including mine. I would urge everyone, no matter
34:20
what we might think about petitions to sign it because as
34:24
just make the point yet again, who is silent has taken to agree
34:27
and so on. So it's, you know, it doesn't
34:29
really matter what we think about the effectiveness of these
34:32
things. We should be taking, in my
34:34
opinion at least, every opportunity to make our opinions
34:37
known. Quite right.
34:39
Yeah, absolutely. Sandy, let's welcome you back to
34:43
the program. And recently you were at the
34:47
Dissident Southwest event. Yes, indeed, and it was a it was
34:52
a brilliant weekend and reporting back on this meeting
34:57
distant Southwest, we held it in Exeter this weekend.
35:01
It was 3 days focused on alternative health and regional
35:05
sovereignty, attending reform, former Conservative MP Andrew
35:10
Bridgen and David Curtin from the Heritage Party.
35:14
We had a speaker, David Leighty who addressed the banking fraud
35:18
and he's setting up alternative people's councils which is a
35:22
very interesting thing. I mean these these events are so
35:26
important because people come, they exchange ideas and get
35:30
empowered and the hope is that they just won't go home and
35:33
watch TV but they'll galvanise themselves.
35:36
We had Glynn Owen who collaborated with the the
35:39
original 7 concerned citizens of Torbay, Devon and Cornwall.
35:44
The seven concerned citizens have issued default notices and
35:47
contacted clerks from over 450 councils requiring them to
35:52
declare a food and farming emergency and this is really
35:55
gaining traction. Town and city councils are being
35:59
forced to listen to the people. Do visit their website
36:03
sevenconcernedcitizens.co.uk. We had Chris Coverdale, he ran a
36:08
workshop on the Freedom Co-op Southwest and Tax Rebellion
36:13
which was well attended. I delivered a presentation
36:17
reviewing the three key government papers on devolution.
36:21
Now Ben and I have focused on devolution in the past few weeks
36:25
to really ensure that people understand the pitfalls of
36:28
devolution. And it's important because once
36:30
democracy is lost, there's no going back, you know it'll be
36:35
lost forever. And to summarise, a total of
36:38
approximately 360 town councils and city councils in the UK will
36:43
be drilled down, boiled down to about 7 or 8 regions, reflecting
36:47
Tony Blair's original plan in the 1990s to align with the EU
36:51
federal England. Each of these regions will
36:54
appoint a mayor for energy and climate, whose responsibilities
36:57
will be centred exclusively on on matters related to net zero.
37:02
The government is selling it to us as a democracy for the
37:05
people, but it's the exact opposite.
37:08
You know, authority from count, you know, will be, will move
37:13
from councils and Whitehall and to mayors, reducing your
37:18
influence really on opportunities to, to challenge
37:22
any decisions made. It's crucial to understand that
37:26
this distance, this distances you from decision making and
37:30
your democracy will be lost. And that's what Agenda 2030
37:33
needs. The plan allows for relaxed
37:36
planning rules on surveillance and 5G infrastructure, making
37:40
opposition impossible. As the mayors will have
37:42
increased powers over planning applications, there'll be more
37:45
restrictions on cars, meat, dairy consumption and possible
37:49
possible future kind of lockdowns, geofencing lockdowns
37:54
or or health lockdowns. So here's a clip of my talk on
37:58
Sunday what devolution means for the UK.
38:04
It means net 0 restrict restrictions such as more
38:08
Eulers, more healthy ends, 15 minute cities, 20 mile an hour
38:13
zones, increased surveillance, bans on gas and wood burning
38:18
stoves, higher carbon taxation, forced retrofitting of our home.
38:23
And they're going to use the climate change and the power
38:25
they're called the Global Covenant of Mayors for Energy
38:29
and Climate. Now these a bit like what Sadiq
38:32
Khan is in, in, in London. If you imagine a Sadiq Khan in
38:36
every region, that is what we're looking at.
38:40
So This is why all these restrictions and, and things
38:44
will, if they get their way will be happening because they,
38:48
they're selling it as a benefit to us.
38:51
Oh, let's get rid of the power of Parliament.
38:55
Let's transfer it all over to these local mayors.
38:58
And they're going to be so much better.
38:59
These guys have got your interests at heart.
39:02
That is not true. You will lose all your, you
39:05
know, every bit of the last vestment of democracy that we
39:08
have will be gone. So yes, there's plenty of
39:16
information out there. We, we can and we must oppose
39:19
this. I mean, so subscribe to
39:22
ukcitizen.org and look at their legal pack packs.
39:26
They've got loads of downloadable stuff.
39:28
So you can, you can oppose this and challenge your councils on
39:33
other issues as well. Join your local residents
39:35
association. We had Cassie Langford speaking
39:38
about their successes and I'll be speaking about the National
39:44
that the National Residents Association later in the show.
39:47
Write to your MPs on mass, Make a noise.
39:50
Intelligent strategic dissent really does work.
39:55
I've put in information in the show notes to help you to oppose
39:58
this with templates for councils and MPs.
40:01
So you know, we've really got to get get this going because if
40:05
once we've lost, our democracy is gone forever.
40:09
Back to you, Mike. Thank you, Sandy and I just once
40:12
again would say urge people that if you are using a template,
40:15
it's fantastic the templates are made available and thank you for
40:17
that Sandy and also Big Brother Watch providing templates.
40:21
Please make sure you take, make the effort to make it your own
40:23
because if it's perceived by people as being, you know, an
40:27
organized Internet campaign, they'll, it just, it loses its
40:31
effect. And so you make the effort to to
40:35
make it personal. OK, let's come back on to the
40:39
war agenda then. And well, as we forecast in
40:43
October last year, it looks like United States nuclear weapons
40:47
are back on British soil. USB-601-12 nuclear bombs seem to
40:54
have been transferred to RAF Lake and Heath, the US base in
40:58
eastern England that's home to F35 stealth fighters and F15
41:03
Strike Eagles. Now these are this is AUS base
41:06
even though it's got a an RAF label on it.
41:10
But now this article here from the Aviationist reports on the
41:14
arrival into Lake and Heath of AUS Air Force C-17 cargo plane
41:18
which flew non-stop supported by mid air refuelling from Kirtland
41:23
Air Force Base, New Mexico to Lake and Heath.
41:25
It arrived at Lake and Heath on the 17th of July, coinciding
41:29
with airspace restrictions over the base which are going to last
41:33
until this coming Saturday. The particular C-17 used on this
41:38
flight is assigned to the 62nd Vision Airlift Wing at Joint
41:42
Base Lewis McCord in Washington state, and the 62nd is the only
41:47
unit in the United States Air Force certified for what are
41:50
called Prime Nuclear Airlift Force missions.
41:54
This is all coincidental with Starmer's announcement of the
41:56
NATO summit a few weeks ago of the plan to buy a nuclear
41:59
capable F35A's, although they're supposed to be based at RAF
42:03
Maram, which is about 20 miles away, and also to join NATO's
42:08
joint sharing plan. So, I mean, I don't know very
42:13
briefly if you've got any thoughts on that, but you know,
42:15
the last time the there were nuclear weapons based, US
42:18
nuclear weapons based in the United Kingdom, there was quite
42:21
a lot of protest about it. And one would expect the same
42:24
now, if that were to to, to be founded on, on fact.
42:27
Absolutely. But I wonder if that will be the
42:30
case. I mean, this is this is exactly
42:31
what we're talking about. You know, at what point are
42:34
people going to agree that prosecuting a war somewhere else
42:37
is actually the right thing to be doing?
42:39
We just we keep looking out for some event that's going to tip
42:42
people into that that belief. But umm, but absolutely be.
42:46
I mean the the direction of travel is very much to suggest
42:50
that this could well turn out to be the case.
42:52
Indeed, and the, as I say, you know, you're right to point this
42:55
out, the, the evidence for it is circumstantial at the moment,
42:58
but you know, we did report last year that uh, the, the
43:01
developments, the building work that was going on at, uh, Aiken
43:04
Heath in order to support this kind of thing.
43:06
So it would not be surprising, Uh, now further to the
43:10
Kensington treaty then signed last week, uh, which formalised
43:13
the so-called E3 as the key war mongers of Europe.
43:17
Chatham House has published an article on this very topic.
43:20
Uh, they point out that the Kensington treaty quotes also
43:23
anchors the bilateral relationship into the white.
43:26
This is the relationship between the UK and Germany into the
43:29
wider European framework framework of the E3 format.
43:32
Unusual for a bilateral treaty. It expli, it explicitly mentions
43:36
the aim to intensify trilateral cooperation between the UK,
43:39
Germany and France. Going to say the E3 group
43:42
coordinated a European position on the Middle East and the Iran
43:46
Israel war. While the framework expanded the
43:49
Weimar Plus format, which is France, Germany, Poland, Italy,
43:54
the United Kingdom plus the EU and sometimes NATO on supporting
43:58
Ukraine against Russian aggression.
44:00
And they said that the UK and France are also leading the
44:03
coalition of the willing a reassurance force for potential
44:07
ceasefire in Ukraine. Well, of course, it's not about
44:09
a potential ceasefire in Ukraine at all.
44:11
It's just about the further development of that.
44:14
So an interesting article and really making the point that the
44:18
E3 seems to be the main axis for the future war plans that that
44:26
have been what we've been reporting on for quite a lot of
44:30
years now. But Vanessa, let's come back to
44:32
you and Gaza. Yeah, well, as I said, you know
44:38
what the Trump external detention or detention by proxy
44:43
and sensor and potentially other Latin American countries reminds
44:46
me, basically make life so unbearable that people will self
44:53
deport from the United States. This is an image in the last two
44:58
days from Gaza and there are many flooding social media right
45:02
now. I'm not going to show some of
45:04
the more dramatic or or upsetting, although there was a
45:08
video published today of Israel bombing a child and A and a
45:13
woman who was searching or scavenging for food amongst the
45:16
rubble. I recommend everybody to follow
45:20
the sub stack of Dennis Kucinich.
45:22
You will probably know him as the campaign adviser for Robert
45:26
F Kennedy Junior. He left when Kennedy showed
45:31
himself to be an Uber Zionist supporter.
45:35
And this is just one section from his latest sub stack
45:39
talking about how the US is complicit in the genocide in
45:43
Gaza. He says witness Gaza look at the
45:46
faces of a people stripped bare with the curse of nothingness.
45:50
For it is our own future unless we change America's direction in
45:55
the world. And of course, I will add the UK
45:58
and every other member of the Zionist bloc. 2 other images
46:03
that I just wanted to share. And how many times have we seen
46:05
this? Gaza is not starving.
46:08
It is being deliberately starved to death, just as Yemen was,
46:12
just as many countries and in the continent of Africa have
46:15
been over the years. There is absolutely no need for
46:19
starvation in this world today. But of course, those in power
46:23
are ensuring that those they want to eradicate are being
46:26
starved to death. This is a video that, again, was
46:30
published on one particular Telegram Palestinian channel.
46:35
So let's have a look at this. What does it truly mean to be
46:40
starved in Gaza? It means a reality where one in
46:44
three people goes without food for days at a time.
46:48
It means a terrifying future where 1,000,000 children are at
46:53
risk of starving to death. Starvation has already claimed
46:57
the lives of over 86 Palestinians, among them 76
47:02
innocent children. The closed border crossings have
47:04
choked off vital supplies. And in a cruel twist, even
47:09
seeking aid has become a death trap, with the hungry being
47:13
targeted at aid distribution points.
47:16
Unless urgent action is taken, Gaza is on the verge of an
47:21
official famine declaration by this coming September.
47:28
I mean, I would say that we're already at at the most I run out
47:33
of words to actually describe what's happening in Gaza.
47:36
But this is the July OCHA humanitarian update.
47:40
I've just taken 1 section but the full report will be in the
47:43
show notes. And again, what they say is
47:46
while cooked meal provision at community kitchens continue at a
47:49
limited scale, around 240 to 250,000 daily on average, Of
47:55
course, there's a population of around 2 million in Gaza.
47:59
General food distribution remains paused as most
48:02
humanitarian food cargo collection is paused across the
48:05
strip because of the attacks on the people going to try and
48:09
collect aid for their families. Most have been suspended in
48:12
southern Gaza since the 4th of July.
48:13
And I just want to look quickly at this map that was also
48:16
contained within the report. You're going to have to freeze
48:19
frame and and zoom in. But basically if you look at all
48:22
of the colours, what they are the, the orange, the deep
48:26
purple, the the lavender. They're militarized zones or
48:30
zones that are under displacement orders since March
48:33
or combined displacement militarized zones.
48:36
So that gives you an indication of the spaces that are actually
48:40
left for Palestinians to to relocate to that are then being
48:45
bombed on a regular basis. Just horrendous conditions.
48:50
But again, I compare it to what's happening globally, not
48:53
only in Gaza and not only in the region here.
48:59
Yes. Well, thank you for that report,
49:01
Vanessa Charles. Yes, coming onto matters in this
49:07
country and something of an environmental round up.
49:11
Steve Reed, the environment secretary, has responded to the
49:15
publication of Monday's report from the Independent Water
49:18
Commission authored by Sir John Cunliffe.
49:21
And I Reid said the government will respond in the autumn,
49:23
which means that until then this report really counts for little.
49:26
But on the regulatory side of things, off what's to be
49:28
abolished. And of course it remains to be
49:30
seen whether the new system will have any merit.
49:34
Climate change, climate change rather, is of course blamed for
49:37
the water system not working. But the reality is rather
49:41
different and a differing reality is becoming a more
49:44
dominant theme. And of course we should keep
49:46
sight of this now. As reported by Diane on Monday,
49:50
Durham County Council has decided after all, that there is
49:53
not a climate emergency. And yet the people of that
49:56
county are at present currently unaffected by this change now.
50:00
So I'll mark this as a 0 emergency, one of a raft of
50:05
failures in the propaganda war concerning climate change.
50:08
You may remember that last year Germany's first wind farm, Alpha
50:12
Ventas, was decommissioned as it no longer made financial sense.
50:15
We'll call that a wind fail. In the UK, the Public Accounts
50:19
Committee by and large recognised that carbon capture
50:21
and storage is extremely expensive, inefficient and a
50:25
dangerous waste of taxpayers money, delivering no serious
50:31
change whatsoever. And back in 2016, NASA research
50:36
showed that an increase in carbon dioxide has turned out to
50:39
increase the rate at which vegetation grows.
50:41
Which of course would have come as a surprise to nobody who
50:44
understands what carbon dioxide is actually for.
50:47
A propaganda fail there. Now, most recently, and the
50:49
reason for this report, is that the BBC are finally daring to
50:52
suggest that digging up this bit of ground, as opposed to that
50:56
bit of ground, might not make in much sense in ecological terms.
51:00
And here we see a piece on the extraction of lithium in South
51:04
America, which, as the BBC asks, she sheepishly, is the world's
51:09
race to decarbonize, unintentionally stocking another
51:13
environmental problem. Now, it's this specific area on
51:17
which there should be so much more debate, the intentional
51:20
destruction of the environment in order to protect the
51:23
environment. And these examples just go to
51:26
show what happens when you try to obscure the truth.
51:29
Now, of course, this is an area that Sandy has been looking in
51:31
for into for a long, long time. So, Sandy, I'd be delighted to
51:36
hear your comments on what I would say is the falling apart
51:40
of this particular narrative. Well, you're, you're absolutely
51:43
right, Charles. The net 0 narrative is falling
51:47
apart and it's been a propaganda life for many, many years.
51:52
And I think the more we challenge our, our, our councils
51:56
to drop the whole net zero climate emergency, the better it
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will be because they're really under pressure now to listen to
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us. Because the, you know, if you
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like the, the cats out of the bag and you know, we, they, they
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can't, they can't defend this anymore.
52:13
It's, it's absolutely ridiculous.
52:15
And you know, the, the, the lithium battery thing, I mean,
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lithium batteries burst into flames.
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We've got problems with storage and all sorts of things, so
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absolutely we have to really fight this tooth and nail.
52:29
Super Sandy, thanks very much indeed.
52:30
And you heard her. Get out that and fight it
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locally, of course. That's the place to start and
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that's the place to get things done.
52:39
Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, so sorry, Sandy.
52:42
Let's move on, then, to the National Residence Association.
52:47
Yes, I mean, Cassie Langford spoke about the National
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Residents Association at the Distant Southwest meeting this
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weekend. Now, this is how they describe
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themselves on their website, and they are a really good Action
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Group. They were founded in 2022 by a
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group of concerned residents from around the United Kingdom.
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The aim was to create a national group which can help people
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protect their national and local communities.
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And as you can see there, it's got all sorts of different
53:15
concerns that people may have and it all fits into this
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framework of understanding that we can come together with these
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concerns and and, you know, approach our councils.
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New members are welcome from anywhere in the UK and more
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associations that join the more influence we have.
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So what happens when a group of residents empower themselves and
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challenge their town council after repeatedly being ignored
53:43
at council meetings? On the 10th of July, 40
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frustrated people from the Merseyside National Residents
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Association descended on Sefton Council and had the audacity to
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ask them a few questions. Now this is a problem up and
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down our country where ineffectual and uninformed
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councils are buckling under the strain of dissatisfied residents
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who have very genuine concerns. They ask questions about the
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cost of immigration, serious local safeguarding issues, 5G
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policies and planning and Net 0 expenditure.
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Sefton Council's reaction to these questions was really quite
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shocking. To be fair, one councillor tried
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to answer, but as questions from the last meeting had been
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ignored and with 40 annoyed constituents in the room, the
54:29
council became increasingly defensive.
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As they had no meaningful means of addressing these answers, the
54:35
meeting spiralled into chaos. The mayor, unable to respond,
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decided to pause the meeting. Which is their way of saying
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we're going to just pretend this isn't happening.
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And despite the residents not being aggressive or threatening,
54:48
but simply asking reasonable questions, the mayor abandoned
54:50
the meeting and called the police.
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There's nothing like calling the police when you've lost control
54:55
of a situation because somebody's asked why are we
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spending 1.1 million on immigration related grants when
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we're in a we're in a a cost of living crisis.
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So one councillor even uttered the words fascist under his
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breath. Clearly the definition of
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fascism is standing in a town hall reading out Freedom of
55:15
Information requests. That's their idea of fascism.
55:19
The positive aspect of this is that the public is becoming more
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aware and challenging these council.
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So let's see what happened in Sefton Town Council, starting
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with this video of a woman very concerned about safeguarding
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women and children on the streets of Sefton.
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So I ask again. Will you hold a public meeting
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to address residents safeguarding concerns face to
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face and show that you take seriously your duty to protect
55:49
all of us? Then we had a gentleman asking
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about expenditure of net zero, and that seems a reasonable
55:58
request. How can the Council claim that
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its net 0? Policy is justified or
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affordable for. Residents, especially during the
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cost, cost of living prices with that regard.
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We we we see that it's. Time to put a force and.
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Appropriate independent review before pushing the head further.
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And then finally we have the Council abandoning ship.
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This is really quite shocking. If we couldn't get out, did you
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have to rule out and answer that question?
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Answer this question to the core.
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The love here. That's right.
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Well said. That man.
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Our children's lives, our young children.
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New love, new love. Welcome.
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Dead questions. Well, that that really is quite
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shocking. Councils up and down the country
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are taking our money and acting in dishonour.
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They're no longer fit for purpose.
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We pay their salaries. They need reminding of the Nolan
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Principles and be held to account by them.
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I doubt if they even know they exist.
57:17
So let's remind us what the Nolan principles are.
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They councillors must operate with selflessness, integrity,
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objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and
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leadership. We're not seeing any of this.
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We must keep keep asking and keep showing up at council
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meetings. We must be intelligent and
57:36
strategic, and we must be empowered.
57:40
Sandy, thank you very much for that.
57:41
I'll just, I'll just end by saying, you know, a lot of years
57:44
ago there was an organization that existed that called
57:48
themselves the People's Public Trust and they simply went to
57:52
their local council meetings in high vis gear and sat and took
57:56
notes. They sat quietly and took notes
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and they found very quickly Sandy that agenda items would
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suddenly that the items that were published in the agenda
58:06
would suddenly just not be commented on.
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And bearing in mind that a lot of these councils have time
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constraints, they want to get some of these policies done and
58:15
dusted within a certain amount of time.
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It seems to me that the easiest way to push back against that is
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to just prevent them from making their deadlines and just just
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getting involved in this way Is is the best way to do that.
58:31
Yeah, I think, I think if we, if we approach it in a very
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intelligent way and not an aggressive way and just
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literally play them at their own game because, you know, they
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clearly do not know what they're doing.
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And we do. And we, we, we don't realise our
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own power. Yes.
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Yeah, I think this is it. I mean, I think, I think the
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other aspect is the the way in which councils particularly have
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sort of been sleepwalking into this.
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And first of all, they haven't interrogated the issues that
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they're supposed to be dealing with, but specifically nor the
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legislation which binds them toward what either the council
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above them if if that's if they're sort of lower level.
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And that in turn leads, of course, as you've articulated so
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many times, back to upholding the values of the United Nations
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Sustainable Development Goals. And I think a lot of people even
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in those offices do not realise that is actually written into
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law. And of course, when they get
59:27
caught out, they have nowhere to turn because they've never
59:29
interrogated at the right stage. And and and that presents a
59:32
massive problem. So the message is get involved
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and well, we'll have to leave it there on that message.
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I would say thank you very much Sandy and Vanessa and Charles of
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course, and thank you to everybody that's been watching
59:45
today and we'll be back in a few minutes on the UK column live
59:48
stream. If you are a member, you can
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watch some UK column News Extra. Otherwise have a oh great rest
59:55
of the day. Don't forget Germ at 7:00 PM
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tonight. Uh, another interview going out
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at 1:00 PM tomorrow and we'll be back for the news at 1:00 PM on
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Friday as usual. See you then.
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Bye bye. Bye bye.