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How to Hold On to Hope in a World Full of Fear and Despair · Your Hope-Filled Perspective with Dr. Michelle Bengtson podcast

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Speaker 1: Life Audio. Have you ever felt life knocked you down
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Speaker 1: so hard you weren't sure you'd even get back up again.
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Speaker 1: Today's guest, Greg Horn knows that kind of pain firsthand.
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Speaker 1: After losing three close friends to on aliving themselves and
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Speaker 1: experiencing the devastating collapse of his own business, marriage, and home,
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Speaker 1: all within twenty four hours, Greg was left at rock bottom,
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Speaker 1: but God met him there. Today on your Hope Field Perspective,
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Speaker 1: Greg shares how to move from fear to hope, how
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Speaker 1: gratitude can transform our outlook, and how we can live
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Speaker 1: each day with a renewed sense of purpose. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: your Hope Field Perspective with doctor Michelle Banks and where
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Speaker 1: our goal is to restore hope, renew minds, and empower
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Speaker 1: listeners to live in your God given identity. I'm so
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Speaker 1: thankful when you choose to spend a few minutes of
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Speaker 1: your week with us. Today we're going to be talking
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Speaker 1: about how to hold on to hope in a world
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Speaker 1: full of fear and despair. We'll dive into that right
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Speaker 1: after this brief word from our sponsor. Fear, loss and
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Speaker 1: heartbreak can strip the joy out of life, leaving us
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Speaker 1: wondering if hope is even possible. My guest today, Greg Horn,
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Speaker 1: has lived through some of life's deepest valleys, losing friends,
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Speaker 1: his marriage, his business, and even his home in a
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Speaker 1: single day. Instead of allowing fear and despair to write
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Speaker 1: the end of his story, Greg chose to trust God
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Speaker 1: and share a message of encouragement with others who are hurting.
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Speaker 1: On this episode of Your Hope Field Perspective, Greg and
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Speaker 1: I will talk about how to face fear head on
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Speaker 1: the role of gratitude and healing, and practical ways to
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Speaker 1: embrace the truth that hope is always there. So I
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Speaker 1: felt compelled to start off this episode with a familiar verse.
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Speaker 1: It comes from Romans fifteen thirteen. May the God of
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Speaker 1: all hope fill you with all joy and peace as
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Speaker 1: you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with
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Speaker 1: hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Greg Horn
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Speaker 1: is best known as an encourager, coach, motivator, and speaker.
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Speaker 1: He speaks regularly to organizations, civic groups, and churches on
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Speaker 1: the topics of fear, gratitude, and hope. He also hosts
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Speaker 1: the radio show and podcast Hope Is Here, which I've
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Speaker 1: had the honor of being on a broadcast daily Monday
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Speaker 1: through Friday and multiple radio stations in central Kentucky. His ministry,
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Speaker 1: Hope Is Here, began in December twenty seventeen from a
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Speaker 1: holy discontent that was growing within him after losing three
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Speaker 1: friends to unliving themselves. I'm excited to share his story
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Speaker 1: with you today. Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Greg, Hey, Michelle, thanks for having me. It's an honor
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Speaker 2: to be with you. You are such a wonderful guest.
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Speaker 2: And our Hope Is Here a program had a lot
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Speaker 2: of wonderful feedback, and I'm so thankful that we both
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Speaker 2: have just maybe our word, we all have a word,
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Speaker 2: is hope, and so I'm thankful to be able to
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Speaker 2: hopefully provide some hope today for your listeners.
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Speaker 1: I think you will. Greg. What I have come to
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Speaker 1: find out is that frequently our ministry is our birth
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Speaker 1: out of our own pain and our wounds or our
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Speaker 1: own needs. So if you would, would you take us
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Speaker 1: back in time to the events that brought you great
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Speaker 1: pain and basically then changed the trajectory of your life
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Speaker 1: and ministry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, rewind the clock back March nineteen ninety seven. I
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Speaker 2: had a ten million dollar company, one hundred employees working
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Speaker 2: with me. It was gonna be a millionaire in my
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Speaker 2: mid thirties. And one day it started raining, and it
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Speaker 2: rained and it rained. It was like Noah's art proportions.
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Speaker 2: And so it was about two days before I could
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Speaker 2: get into my business, and I called my insurance agent,
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Speaker 2: and I had every type of insurance. It sept for
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Speaker 2: flood inshirts, and so there hadn't been a flood in Kentucky.
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Speaker 2: This was in Synthiana. Kentucky had been a flood in
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Speaker 2: eighty nine years. Nobody had flooded shirts. So I went
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Speaker 2: going to be a millionaire a mid thirties, to be
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Speaker 2: a two million dollars in debt overnight. But I prayed
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Speaker 2: about it and felt like God said, you know, you
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Speaker 2: got one hundred people depending on you for a job
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Speaker 2: and a small community in Kentucky, and you need to
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Speaker 2: try to reopen. So I got a maximum flood disaster
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Speaker 2: loan and was able to reopen in miraculous twenty one days.
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Speaker 2: A few months later on the Chamber of Commerce business
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Speaker 2: Person of the Year award, and then I was My
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Speaker 2: story of coming back and opening was featured in a
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Speaker 2: John Maxwell book called Felling Forward, and so I thought
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Speaker 2: this was going to be an ultimate comeback story God,
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Speaker 2: and we're going to give you all the glory for
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Speaker 2: what you've done. But fast forward about four years later.
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Speaker 2: Fortunately I can overcome the two million dollars of debt
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Speaker 2: and the most humbling moment of my life. I had
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Speaker 2: to file bankruptcy. So I lost my business. I knew
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Speaker 2: it was going to lose my home because I put
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Speaker 2: it up for the flood disaster loan, but I wasn't
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Speaker 2: expecting what happened when I went home that night, and unexpectedly,
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Speaker 2: my wife said, Hey, I hate that to your bad day,
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Speaker 2: but I'm leaving you and I wanted divorce. So I
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Speaker 2: lost my business, my home, and my marriage in about
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Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period. And this, I don't know
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Speaker 2: how i'll say it, but I was hopeless.
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Speaker 1: I think many of our listeners and viewers can relate
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Speaker 1: to that feeling of hopelessness. How did you find the
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Speaker 1: strength to move forwards from such devastating loss.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to say there was one thing, but
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Speaker 2: I've kind of found in my life it's usually kind
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Speaker 2: of a culmination of things. One my faith became real
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Speaker 2: and I was personally. I went on Sunday mornings, I
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Speaker 2: was even a good Christian gave ten percent of my
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Speaker 2: income at either Yet, if I'm honest, the other one
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seven hours a week, we're about me.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I listened to a lot of back then
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Speaker 2: you didn't have podcasts, but Christian radio programs, people like
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Speaker 2: Chuck Swindahll, doctor David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, Joyce Meyer. I mean,
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Speaker 2: so many people, but I have to meet. Most of
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Speaker 2: my life was kind of focused on me, so my
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Speaker 2: faith I really leaned into it. I wanted to find
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Speaker 2: out if the Bible was real. I had a good
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Speaker 2: Christian counselor that really helped me. So therapy helped family,
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Speaker 2: some friends also took a pharmaceutical to something to help
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Speaker 2: me kind of get over the hunt. For about ten
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Speaker 2: months at last, not least started exercising like a madman.
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Speaker 2: I had really not taking care of my temple with
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Speaker 2: all the business and all the stress of that, and
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Speaker 2: I wasn't exercising regularly. So it was really kind of
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Speaker 2: a culminational things. Faith, family, friends, therapy, and exercise and
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Speaker 2: medicine so kind of all rolled in one. But I
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Speaker 2: would have to say, if you said one thing honestly,
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Speaker 2: my faith in Jesus is what really kept me alive
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Speaker 2: during that season.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing from you is that that healing
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Speaker 1: journey multifaceted. It wasn't just one thing. It wasn't the
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Speaker 1: Bible burst band aid, it wasn't just the exercise, It
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Speaker 1: wasn't just going to church. It was all of those
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Speaker 1: facets working together, which I think is so important for
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Speaker 1: the audience to hear. Sometimes we need medication, Sometimes we
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Speaker 1: need to look at our diets. Sometimes we need counseling.
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Speaker 1: And what I love about the stories in the Bible, Greg,
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Speaker 1: and I think you would agree, is that Jesus healed
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Speaker 1: in many different ways. And that's okay, that's good. But Greg,
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Speaker 1: I also know that fear can be paralyzing. How have
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Speaker 1: you personally learned to overcome fear and step forward and hope?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing is to face those fears.
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Speaker 2: You know, the enemy sometimes once you get humped up
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Speaker 2: and just play it safe and things. You know, I
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Speaker 2: heard acronym fvar many years ago. Face face false expectations
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Speaker 2: appearing real, and so I think fear, we see it,
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Speaker 2: but so many times it's not real. And eighty percent
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Speaker 2: of things we fear don't happen. But I really did
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Speaker 2: truly press into my faith and face those fears. And
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Speaker 2: as I was having daily quiet times, there were certain
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Speaker 2: Bible verses that just became life versus to me to
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Speaker 2: help me face those fears of trying to start my
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Speaker 2: whole life over again, both vocationally, personally and so like
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Speaker 2: Psalm twenty eight to seven. The therapists that I worked with,
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Speaker 2: he encouraged me to read the Book of Psalms. Would
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Speaker 2: go to bed at night, just start reading Psalms, starting
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Speaker 2: chapter one, just read until like God had spoke to me.
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Speaker 2: And I cried myself to sleep many nights those first
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Speaker 2: couple of three weeks, and Psalm twenty eight to seven
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Speaker 2: became one of my life verses. It says, the Lord
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Speaker 2: is my strength and my shield. My heart trust than
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Speaker 2: you Lord, and I am helped. And I would write
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Speaker 2: it on a posted note. I would stick it on
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Speaker 2: my bathroom mirror, so I saw it first thing in
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Speaker 2: the morning when I was getting ready. I put in
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Speaker 2: the dashboard of my car. I put it on my laptop.
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Speaker 2: I even put it in my wallet because looking you know, financially, God, hey,
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Speaker 2: you know you gotta be my strength and chill because
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Speaker 2: I've lost everything. And then Proverb chapter three, verses five
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Speaker 2: and six became another life first year in that season,
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Speaker 2: it says, trust the Lord with all your heart and
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Speaker 2: lean not on your own understanding, but in all your
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Speaker 2: ways acknowledge God, and he will make your pastraight. He'll
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Speaker 2: direct them. And so those two verses there really just
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Speaker 2: became kind of a compass for me when I was
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Speaker 2: in fear to stand on look God's words said, even
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Speaker 2: though I did feel fearful, I could stay hopeful as
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Speaker 2: I read God's word and didn't give in to my
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Speaker 2: feelings of fear.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I have that in common with how
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Speaker 1: when I was going through a really despairing time in
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Speaker 1: my life, I wrote out the scriptures that spoke to
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Speaker 1: my heart, and like you, I had them plastered everywhere.
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Speaker 1: They were on my bathroom mirror and on my night standing,
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Speaker 1: on the dashboard of my car. But as a neuropsychologist, Greg,
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Speaker 1: what I appreciate about that is that scripture talks about
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Speaker 1: the fact that faith comes by hearing and hearing by
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Speaker 1: the word of God. So as we would read those scriptures,
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Speaker 1: you and I both were infused with the hope that
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Speaker 1: only comes from our Savior. I want to talk more
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Speaker 1: about hope and how you would define that in a
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Speaker 1: biblical context. Right after this brief word from our sponsor, Greg,
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Speaker 1: how would you define hope in a biblical context. I
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Speaker 1: know how the world looks at hope. They try to
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Speaker 1: find hope through their job, through their relationships, through their
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Speaker 1: bank account. But how would you define it?
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Speaker 2: Well, Well, the Bible verse that you opened up with Romans,
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Speaker 2: Chapter fifteen, verse thirteen. When I started Hope Is Here
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Speaker 2: Ministries back in December of twenty seventeen, that was the
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Speaker 2: foundational verse. And until I started hopeus Here really have
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Speaker 2: to plead ignorance, I wasn't familiar with that verse. I
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Speaker 2: love the book Romans read it, but just you know
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Speaker 2: how it is the Holy Spirit speaks to you in
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Speaker 2: different seasons of life when you need God's word. And
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Speaker 2: so I think that verse just sums it up that
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Speaker 2: God the source of all hope and will give you
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Speaker 2: peace and joy. But the key part is those words
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Speaker 2: right after that you will give you peace and joy
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Speaker 2: as you trust in Him. And so I think biblical
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Speaker 2: hope it's when you say you know what God, even
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Speaker 2: though I don't see you working, and I don't feel
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Speaker 2: you working. I'm going to trust you because you are
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Speaker 2: my source of hope. And then I love the second
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Speaker 2: part of that verse. And I think so many times
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Speaker 2: as Christians, yes we should be meek and humble, but
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times we don't stand in
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Speaker 2: faith and power. And the second part of that verses,
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Speaker 2: not only can we have hope, we can overflow with hope.
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Speaker 2: And one version he says, overflow with confidence hope by
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Speaker 2: the power of the Holy Spirit. And you know, I
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Speaker 2: love how Jesus described the Holy Spirit. He would leave
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Speaker 2: us a comforter and a counselor. And so when you're
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Speaker 2: in fear, when you're hurting, man, I need some comfort
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Speaker 2: and I need some wisdom. Just ask the Holy Spirit
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Speaker 2: to help you, and all will God give you hope.
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Speaker 2: He's going to help you overflow with confident hope. So
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Speaker 2: I think Roman's fifteen thirteen, Man, that is an anchor
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Speaker 2: right there for biblical hope for me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. You know, my husband and I
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Speaker 1: have had a conversation many times, and we're not theologians,
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Speaker 1: but we've talked about the difference between faith and hope
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Speaker 1: and The way he's talked about it with me is
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Speaker 1: he looks at faith as based on something we've experienced.
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Speaker 1: We've experienced God coming through in the past for us,
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Speaker 1: but hope is that forward looking, And like you said,
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Speaker 1: it's we're putting our faith in something we can't see yet,
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Speaker 1: but believing that God's word is true. Before the break,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about fear, and fear is based in
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Speaker 1: something that is often not true, but when our hope
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Speaker 1: is in God, it's based on something that is certain. Greg,
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Speaker 1: you and I have both lost friends tragically, and I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering what you would say to someone who, maybe right
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Speaker 1: now a listener or a viewer, feels like their situation
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Speaker 1: is beyond redemption. Certainly you hit rock bottom losing so
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Speaker 1: much in a twenty four hour period. What would you
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Speaker 1: say to the person who's listening now and feels like
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Speaker 1: that's me. My circumstances might be different than Greg, but
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Speaker 1: that's how I feel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. You know I used to hear Romans
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Speaker 2: eight twenty eight in college, and I was kind of
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Speaker 2: far from God. I was in a fraternity, I lived
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Speaker 2: in the men's basketball dormit the University of Kentucky, which
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Speaker 2: was a big deal if you're living in the state
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Speaker 2: of Kentucky. I'd hear Romans eight twenty eight from our pastor.
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Speaker 2: I'd be out laid at night two three, but I
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Speaker 2: showed up at church because I had a mom that
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Speaker 2: I knew would ask me later that afternoon, did I
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Speaker 2: go to church? And so I'd hear our pastor, Sure,
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Speaker 2: Romans eight twenty eight, All things work together for those
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Speaker 2: who love the Lord and are called according to his purpose.
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Speaker 2: And i'd hear that. I go, yeah, yeah, okay, you're right, sure,
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Speaker 2: And yet I was far from God, but God was
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Speaker 2: still planning that seed of that Bible verse in my hit.
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Speaker 2: And I'd hear that Bible verse back then as a
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Speaker 2: twenty year old guy. I would sit there and think, Okay,
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Speaker 2: yet some things work together, but not all. I mean,
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Speaker 2: come on, really, then, I'd say, as I got lawyer,
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Speaker 2: so okay, well, maybe most things work together. But I
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Speaker 2: can really say with all my heart that now fast forward,
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Speaker 2: when all of that just you know, tragedy happened in
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Speaker 2: my life, all those traumatic events, I can tell you
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Speaker 2: now on the other side of it, twenty years later,
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Speaker 2: that all things do work together. And right now you
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Speaker 2: may not understand why you know, and that's obviously the
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Speaker 2: thing that say want you to do is to ask why,
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Speaker 2: as we both know that sometimes it's side of heaven,
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Speaker 2: we're not going to know the answer. But I really do,
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Speaker 2: truly believe in my life's a living testimony many wonderful
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Speaker 2: guests like yourself. My hope it's your program is that truly,
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Speaker 2: if you will give your situation to God, no matter
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Speaker 2: how hopeless it may look, no matter how hopeless it
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Speaker 2: may feel, no matter how great the pain may feel,
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Speaker 2: that God truly will use all of it for His
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Speaker 2: glory and give you a testimony to help be a
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Speaker 2: blessing and make ripples in other people's lives.
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Speaker 1: When you were going through that devastating experience, we have
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Speaker 1: a choice. We can either lean into God or we
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Speaker 1: can walk away. Were there ever moments when you just
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Speaker 1: wanted to turn your back on the Lord and go,
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Speaker 1: how'd you let this happen? Why did you let this happen?
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Speaker 1: What good is going to come out of this?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I was angry a God that there were
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Speaker 2: times I would just pray when I went to sleep,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to please, don't let me wake up tomorrow. God,
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Speaker 2: I just I can't handle this pain. My business, my home,
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Speaker 2: and unexpectedly my marriage, I mean, finances are gone, I
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Speaker 2: mean everything. And I didn't want to wake up. I
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Speaker 2: just really, Yeah, there was definitely those moments, and then
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Speaker 2: I can remember wanting to go back and maybe think
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Speaker 2: I could numb some of the pain. One time I
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Speaker 2: went into adult entertainment club and as soon as I
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Speaker 2: sit in there, the Holy Spirit convicted me so strong,
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Speaker 2: so this is not where your key link in comfort's
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Speaker 2: going to go. And literally, in thirty seconds, I turned
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Speaker 2: around and walked right back out. And so, yes, there
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Speaker 2: were things that was angry, and I turned from God.
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Speaker 2: But as I leaned into him, as you said, leaned
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Speaker 2: into Jesus, he just slowly but surely started healing the
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Speaker 2: broken pieces of my heart, and in my mind, it
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Speaker 2: just started restoring and rebuilding the foundation that I stand
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Speaker 2: on today over twenty years later.
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Speaker 1: What are some of the daily practices you recommend for
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Speaker 1: those who feel overwhelmed by fear or hopelessness.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the first thing, and I started this
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Speaker 2: before God called me in the ministry, is just making
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Speaker 2: sure the first thing in the morning you have quiet
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Speaker 2: time with God, I'm a esp and God loves sports,
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Speaker 2: and that would be my thing. I had to go
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Speaker 2: turn the coffee pot on and turn on ESPN and
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Speaker 2: have that on watch a little bit of that for
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Speaker 2: I jumped in the shower and go to work. And
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Speaker 2: I had somebody that was kind of mentoring me, and
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Speaker 2: they challenged me and said, you know, man, you know,
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Speaker 2: are you having a daily quiet time? And all, honestly
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Speaker 2: I wasn't. It was just kind of sporadic. I was
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Speaker 2: in a men's group. So I mean I did the
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Speaker 2: church thing fairly well for a guy. And I said,
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Speaker 2: this is before God called me the ministry. But when
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Speaker 2: I made that quiet time with God starting with a
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Speaker 2: devotional book. Also, somebody child you just to read whatever
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Speaker 2: the day of the week was in Proverbs. So if
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Speaker 2: today is the twenty ninth, then read chapter twenty nine,
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Speaker 2: thirty one chapters and Proverbs thirty days, thirty one days
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Speaker 2: and months and to do that over and over. And
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Speaker 2: that became a foundation for me there. And so there's
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Speaker 2: no substitutent. I hear people say, well, I'm not a
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Speaker 2: morning person, Well I would still challenge that, just to say, man,
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Speaker 2: I want to fill my heart and soul my mind
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Speaker 2: with God's word first in the morning doesn't have to
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Speaker 2: be an hour, Okay, I mean started, I was starting
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Speaker 2: with ten minutes, then it became fifteen minutes. And yet
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Speaker 2: God just started speaking and was so amazing. So many times,
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Speaker 2: like in those proverbs, I would have something happen in
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Speaker 2: my business job that would just all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: I can hear God saying, Hey, remember what I shared
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Speaker 2: with you. Be quick to listen, slow to speech, loa
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Speaker 2: to become angry. Just so many things that God's word
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Speaker 2: help me apply in my secular job at that time.
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Speaker 2: The second thing now that we have available is podcast
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Speaker 2: like yours in mine, so many of those. I'm in
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Speaker 2: the showering, I'm getting ready in the morning, things like that.
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Speaker 2: Just filling my heart and mind with God's words and
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Speaker 2: hearing stories. It's like yours, and just like me, we
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Speaker 2: both have guests because we all know everybody's got a
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Speaker 2: story right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg and your experience, What do you think the
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Speaker 1: relationship is between gratitude and resilience?
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Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think you can have one without the other.
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Speaker 2: I think to be resilient you have to be gratitude
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Speaker 2: to be grateful. You know, one of the things that
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Speaker 2: God showed me several years ago. There could be ten
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Speaker 2: things going on in your life, ten things, and you
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Speaker 2: know what, eight of them are good? But what do
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Speaker 2: we focus on just those two out of all those
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Speaker 2: things that are going so well? And I really really
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Speaker 2: just try to start out. I started this year in
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Speaker 2: COVID a few years and I did it every day,
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Speaker 2: and I do it most days. Now I will profess
17:49
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it every day, but I try to
17:50
Speaker 2: do it at least four or five days a week. Firstly,
17:52
Speaker 2: when I roll out of bed in the morning, I
17:54
Speaker 2: get on my knees and I thank God and I
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Speaker 2: love Saw one eighteen verse twenty four says this is
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Speaker 2: the day the Lord has made. I shall be glad
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Speaker 2: and rejoicing it. And I remember my mom as the
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Speaker 2: first Bible verse I remember learning as a kid, my
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Speaker 2: mom will come in and raise the shades and say
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Speaker 2: that verse. And the fourth fifth grade kid, I didn't
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Speaker 2: want to hear that, you know, But now that's a
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Speaker 2: bill verse. I know because that's how she had me
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Speaker 2: start my day. And now as an adult, I do that.
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Speaker 2: And being on my knees and starting that and then
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Speaker 2: I also thank God for three or four things that
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Speaker 2: happened the day before, reflecting and thinking, and then I
18:28
Speaker 2: thank you for some opportunities like this morning, I did that,
18:31
Speaker 2: and I thank him for the opportunity to be a
18:33
Speaker 2: guest on your program and share the hope that we
18:35
Speaker 2: can all have in Jesus. So I think it starts
18:38
Speaker 2: with that gratitude and then the resilience part. I mean,
18:41
Speaker 2: you know, it's a choice, and we don't like to
18:43
Speaker 2: talk about that that sometimes in the faith based world.
18:45
Speaker 2: But I was a college basketball coach at Western Kentucky
18:48
Speaker 2: University back in the nineties, and I worked for one
18:50
Speaker 2: of Rick Bettino's assistants, Ralph Willard, and I learned a
18:53
Speaker 2: lot about mental toughness and part of being resilience does
18:56
Speaker 2: it requires a choice. You have to be mentally tough
18:59
Speaker 2: and it's not warm fuzzy. But I mean, my Goodness
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Speaker 2: said all that Jesus went through, he had to be
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Speaker 2: a pretty mentally tough person himself. And I think sometimes
19:08
Speaker 2: we don't want to say that. We just want everything
19:10
Speaker 2: to be warm and fuzzy in the church world and
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Speaker 2: in the faith world. And then we got an enemy
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Speaker 2: that Jesus warns John ten ten comes to steal and
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Speaker 2: to kill and destroy. So make no mistake about it.
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Speaker 2: You have to lean in your faith. You have to
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Speaker 2: choose to be resilient. But with Jesus help you can
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Speaker 2: do that. And so gratitude resilience, I think they go
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Speaker 2: hand in hand.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate what you've just said because both of them
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Speaker 1: are a choice. And I've gone through many things I've
19:37
Speaker 1: had people say, Michelle, how how are you able to
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Speaker 1: be so resilient? How are you able to persevere? And Greg,
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Speaker 1: I've just finally come to the conclusion that Jesus didn't
19:47
Speaker 1: give up. He persevered for my sake. So it's not
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Speaker 1: in my DNA to give up. If Jesus would do
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Speaker 1: that for me while I was still a sinner, I
19:58
Speaker 1: can continue to persevere because of the hope that I
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Speaker 1: have in him. You know, even on your program, we
20:03
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about neuroplasticity and the fact that
20:06
Speaker 1: we get to choose our thoughts, but our brain leans
20:11
Speaker 1: towards the negative. It looks for the negative. But if
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Speaker 1: we can replace that with gratitude, then we see more
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Speaker 1: things that we have the opportunity be grateful for. Scripture
20:23
Speaker 1: talks about worry, fear, and anxiety a lot. There's some
20:27
Speaker 1: debate about exactly how many verses there are, but let's
20:30
Speaker 1: just say that God brings it up enough in his
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Speaker 1: word that that's confirmation to me that he knew we
20:35
Speaker 1: would struggle. He knew that the enemy would constantly be
20:39
Speaker 1: whispering what ifs in our mind. Even after we experience
20:43
Speaker 1: periods of victory, fear often resurfaces. So how do you
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Speaker 1: continue to fight fear when it tries to return?
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Speaker 2: Well, one, during this those daily practices of spending time
20:55
Speaker 2: with God's work, I'll tell you, sometimes even fear still
20:59
Speaker 2: wants to creep in. And then I've got two or
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Speaker 2: three friends that are just strong people of faith. And
21:04
Speaker 2: when I start to get in that fear sometimes and
21:07
Speaker 2: even though I've done the spiritual practices that helped me
21:10
Speaker 2: ninety percent of time, but sometimes the fear still keeps
21:13
Speaker 2: wanting to creep in. And I found one of the
21:15
Speaker 2: things that usually triggers that's when I get fatigued. And
21:18
Speaker 2: so when you get tired, boy, the enemy can make
21:20
Speaker 2: these small things will come mountains. But I reach out
21:23
Speaker 2: to somebody else to say, hey, here's what I'm feeling,
21:25
Speaker 2: and man, I just want to share with you. I
21:27
Speaker 2: want to ask you one to pray for me, and
21:29
Speaker 2: two I want to ask am I looking at this correctly?
21:32
Speaker 2: And so many times, just a fresh perspective from a
21:35
Speaker 2: brother in Christ, a sister in Christ can really really
21:38
Speaker 2: help me realize I really am putting something that making
21:42
Speaker 2: it fearful when it's really not quite as overwhelming as
21:45
Speaker 2: it seems. So really found that to be helpful to
21:48
Speaker 2: reach out to somebody else to ask for prayer and
21:50
Speaker 2: also just maybe text it, hey have you got five
21:54
Speaker 2: minutes and literally mean it five minutes and they know
21:56
Speaker 2: that if I do that, Man, I'm really struggling. And
21:59
Speaker 2: it's amazing having another person and processing that fear. Sometimes
22:03
Speaker 2: it just removes the fear immediately. I love Jesus model
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Speaker 2: that force. When you know, before he was getting ready
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Speaker 2: to be arrest and go to the cross, he asked Peter,
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Speaker 2: James and John to pray with him in the garden
22:13
Speaker 2: yetsemite and make no mistake about it. I mean Jesus asked, hey, hey,
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Speaker 2: remove this cup, be thy will if there's another way
22:20
Speaker 2: to do this, So, I mean, we have to realize
22:22
Speaker 2: that Jesus did have a choice, and he had to
22:24
Speaker 2: be feeling some fear. As we know, the perspiration was
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Speaker 2: blood droplets, and our bodies physically can do that. We're
22:30
Speaker 2: under an extreme amount of stress and fear. So I'm
22:33
Speaker 2: so thankful to know that Jesus understands when we deal
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Speaker 2: with fear.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that a comfort to know that Jesus was God
22:43
Speaker 1: is God, but came in human form and experienced anguish
22:47
Speaker 1: and can relate to us. So when Scripture tells us
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Speaker 1: he's close to the brokenhearted, it's because he can understand. Friends,
22:54
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break for a word
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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, but stick with us, because as we
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Speaker 1: wrap up this episode, I'm going to ask Greg to
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Speaker 1: share a hope filled perspective. We'll be right back Greg.
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Speaker 1: How would you encourage someone who feels that they've lost everything?
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Speaker 1: I can only barely put myself in your shoes as
23:14
Speaker 1: I try to think about how I would feel, how
23:17
Speaker 1: I would react if I seemingly lost everything overnight. I'm
23:21
Speaker 1: sure we've got some listeners who are in a similar position.
23:25
Speaker 1: What would you say to them?
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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you one things I've learned is a
23:29
Speaker 2: God through this process gave me an acronym when I
23:31
Speaker 2: started hope. It's here the word hope. I'm a simple guy,
23:34
Speaker 2: so I've got to keep it on the lower shelf.
23:36
Speaker 2: And I lined it up with biblical perspective, with Bible verses.
23:40
Speaker 2: But I ran this by doctor Melinda Moore, who her
23:43
Speaker 2: emphasis and is her PhD. Is at suicideology, and she's
23:47
Speaker 2: a renowned expert here based just a blessing from God
23:51
Speaker 2: here in central Kentucky, but she travels all the world
23:54
Speaker 2: help me teach people about suicide prevention. And I asked
23:57
Speaker 2: her about this acronym. I said, does this line up
23:59
Speaker 2: with your research academically and medically and things that? She said,
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, she said that absolutely it does. So
24:06
Speaker 2: I'm looking at from a biblical perspective and God's perspective,
24:09
Speaker 2: but also for those that are more wired up intellectually
24:11
Speaker 2: in academia, this lines up with this. But here's what
24:14
Speaker 2: I would say to you. Just remember this acronym hope,
24:17
Speaker 2: hop letter h just hold on, hold on. Everything can
24:21
Speaker 2: change in twenty four hours. I mean something could change
24:24
Speaker 2: for the better. Yes, it can change for the worst,
24:26
Speaker 2: It's like my situation did. But just to simply hold
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Speaker 2: off Latis. Chapter six, verse nine says, do not grow
24:31
Speaker 2: weary in doing good at the proper time. You will
24:34
Speaker 2: reap a harvest if you do not give up. And
24:36
Speaker 2: the thing I love about how God has designed our calendar.
24:41
Speaker 2: He broke it down to twenty four hour periods and
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Speaker 2: a lot of twenty four our purritents. They can be
24:45
Speaker 2: real challenging, but I love in Lamentations, chapter three, verses
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Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty three, says that God's mercies are
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Speaker 2: new every morning, and great is his faithfulness. In other words,
24:55
Speaker 2: we get a fresh start every twenty four hours, and
24:58
Speaker 2: so I'm so thankful to know that. So if you
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Speaker 2: hold on, just remember you get a fresh twenty four hours,
25:03
Speaker 2: and just know God may show up in a way
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Speaker 2: that will just blow your mind and give you hope
25:08
Speaker 2: even though things seem hopeless at the time. The let
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Speaker 2: her own this one. We just kind of talked about
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Speaker 2: open up to at least one person. At least one person.
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Speaker 2: So many times the enemy lies to it and just says,
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Speaker 2: this is hopeless. You're never going to climb out of
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Speaker 2: this situation. And I'm thankful that I was able to
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Speaker 2: open up the others and tell them when I was
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Speaker 2: hopeless and having suicidal thoughts, and it was just amazing
25:29
Speaker 2: the difference that made. Once again, Jesus modeled that when
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Speaker 2: he asked Peter, James and John, hey, man, I've got
25:33
Speaker 2: this overwhelming situation. My soul is overwhelmed to the point
25:37
Speaker 2: of death grief so strong about what I'm here in
25:40
Speaker 2: to do. Would you please pray with me? Even Jesus
25:43
Speaker 2: asked for him the son of God, as you just
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Speaker 2: said earlier. So man, opening up to one person, that
25:48
Speaker 2: honestly could be the game change. You're just letting one
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Speaker 2: person know how you feel, and then it just kind
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Speaker 2: of removes that healthiness the letter p Put yourself in
25:57
Speaker 2: a new environment, man, this is a big one. We
25:59
Speaker 2: can get in the same same old ruts we all do.
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Speaker 2: Drive a different way to work, and gay go to
26:04
Speaker 2: a different place to these lunch baby saying, you know instead
26:06
Speaker 2: is drinking diet coachs I'm gonna drink some bottled waters.
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Speaker 2: Do something new. When I went through all this, unlike
26:11
Speaker 2: most people, who's number one public fear besides spiders and
26:15
Speaker 2: snakes is public speaking, mine wasn't. So I started going
26:18
Speaker 2: to toast Masters, speaking organization that helps you with just
26:21
Speaker 2: basic public speaking and winds up. I mean, I did
26:24
Speaker 2: that twenty years ago, and now one of the people
26:26
Speaker 2: I met through that actually does my website and just
26:29
Speaker 2: handles all the technical aspects of Hope. It's here ministry.
26:33
Speaker 2: So God's all about relationships. But put yourself in a
26:35
Speaker 2: new environment. It'll help break some of that run of
26:38
Speaker 2: hopelessness and just getting in that same old, same old.
26:41
Speaker 2: And then the letter E okay, and this was the
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Speaker 2: one we just talked about earlier, about the mental party.
26:46
Speaker 2: You gotta expect to see change. You gotta expect to
26:50
Speaker 2: see changes, and just stand on what God's word says
26:53
Speaker 2: Romans eight twenty eight. All things work together. God, I
26:56
Speaker 2: don't know how you're gonna work through this, but I'm
26:58
Speaker 2: gonna trust that you're gonna do this. I'm gonna trust
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Speaker 2: that you're gonna make away when there's scenes no way.
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Speaker 2: And I'm excited today to see how you're gonna do that.
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Speaker 2: And even though I'm hurting. One of my favorite Bible
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Speaker 2: versus in Proverbs, it says those who are fresh others
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Speaker 2: will themselves be refreshed and be transparent with you a
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Speaker 2: lot of times back then and even now, sometimes I
27:20
Speaker 2: don't feel like being a blessing to somebody else because
27:22
Speaker 2: I'm hurting. I want somebody to bless me. But when
27:24
Speaker 2: I make that phone call, when I make that text
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Speaker 2: and do something to bless somebody else. The way God works,
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Speaker 2: in the way he's wired us up as followers of Jesus,
27:33
Speaker 2: when we go to be a blessing to somebody else,
27:35
Speaker 2: we're the ones who get blessed. And the world doesn't
27:38
Speaker 2: make sense. They don't do it that way. But I
27:40
Speaker 2: would say to you right now, stand on that problem.
27:42
Speaker 2: I believe it's Proverbs eleven twenty five. I'm not mistaken.
27:45
Speaker 2: Those who a refresh others will themselves be refreshed. And
27:48
Speaker 2: just know that it'll help lift your spirits. And here's
27:51
Speaker 2: what I know. Somebody's always got a little bit worse
27:53
Speaker 2: than we do. One of the things can't help me
27:54
Speaker 2: keep the eye on the ball. And I'll close with
27:56
Speaker 2: this was My middle brother is an oncologist, and so
27:59
Speaker 2: he would call you back on me quite often and
28:01
Speaker 2: asked me how I was doing. And I would cry
28:04
Speaker 2: most days those first couple of weeks. Well, finally after
28:07
Speaker 2: third week I got enough to kind of take my
28:09
Speaker 2: eyes off myself and all my pain. You said, hey,
28:12
Speaker 2: how was your day at work? And he said, well,
28:14
Speaker 2: unfortunately I had to tell a mom twenty seven years
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Speaker 2: old that she has six months to live and she
28:19
Speaker 2: has two young children. And the Holy Spirit just spoke
28:23
Speaker 2: so clearly to me said, you know, Greg, yeah, you
28:25
Speaker 2: lost your business, you lost your home, you lost your marriage,
28:28
Speaker 2: but you still have your health. And it was a
28:30
Speaker 2: game changer for me. And it goes back to that
28:32
Speaker 2: grateful thing that you talked about earlier. I really really
28:36
Speaker 2: believe that there's always something to be grateful for. And
28:38
Speaker 2: if you'll just hold on, open up to at least
28:41
Speaker 2: one other person, put yourself in a new environment, and
28:44
Speaker 2: e expect to see changes. God will do for you
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Speaker 2: what he's done for me, what He's done for you.
28:48
Speaker 2: I have so many many others.
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Speaker 1: As we press it to Jesus ay man, Greg, after
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Speaker 1: your devastating losses, you started Hope Is Here radio show,
28:57
Speaker 1: podcasting ministry. How is sharing a people's stories of hope
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Speaker 1: impacted your own journey?
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Speaker 2: Oh just so blessed me because God works through so
29:06
Speaker 2: many different ways. I mean, we had a guess that
29:08
Speaker 2: her husband was an alcoholic. Finally decided to leave this
29:12
Speaker 2: domestic violent situation. He came out and shot her in
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Speaker 2: the head, said you picked a fine day to die,
29:18
Speaker 2: and turned the game on him, the gun on himself
29:21
Speaker 2: and killed himself. They flew her to hospital by helicopter.
29:24
Speaker 2: Doctors came out. The surgeons told her son and daughter, hey,
29:27
Speaker 2: we've done everything we know to do. All we know
29:29
Speaker 2: to do is to tell you to pray. Well, there's
29:31
Speaker 2: probably about a hundred people in that waiting and praying,
29:33
Speaker 2: and guess what, she's alive. Over twenty years later, she's
29:36
Speaker 2: been a guest on Hope is here. She's not able
29:39
Speaker 2: to drive, but you know what, she prays for this
29:41
Speaker 2: ministry all the time inspires me, says, hey, what a
29:44
Speaker 2: powerful guest you had today. I've had her actually about
29:48
Speaker 2: every three years. I bring her back on because it's
29:50
Speaker 2: a story that yes, she should have died number one.
29:53
Speaker 2: But two, Yes she's alive, but life stop played out
29:56
Speaker 2: the way she would want. She can't drive, but she's
29:58
Speaker 2: still hopeful. She tries to do that. Proverbs refreshing others
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Speaker 2: with himself. Had a young man that played college football
30:06
Speaker 2: here Georgetown University or Georgetown College. I apologized and broke
30:09
Speaker 2: his leg. They did six operations. Normally, you know, no
30:13
Speaker 2: big deal. But after six operations they amputate his leg
30:16
Speaker 2: from the knee down. It's a nineteen year old young man.
30:19
Speaker 2: Why God? But he said, okay, I'm gonna trust you God.
30:22
Speaker 2: Why not? He got a prosthetic and he actually returned
30:25
Speaker 2: kickoffs for Georgetown College's feature out of ESPN and speaks
30:30
Speaker 2: all over the country. Now he actually works for the FBI.
30:34
Speaker 2: And just I mean, here's a lady that was in
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Speaker 2: her fifties when this happened. This was a nineteen year
30:38
Speaker 2: old young man. Two physically challenging life changing situations. But
30:43
Speaker 2: both of them said, okay, God, how can you use
30:45
Speaker 2: this to be a blessing? So, Man, I get excited
30:48
Speaker 2: that we have two we have a guest each week. Man,
30:51
Speaker 2: the ripples that they make it blesses me, and it
30:53
Speaker 2: blesses so many others because everybody's got a story.
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Speaker 1: Everybody does have a story. And boy, doesn't that put
30:59
Speaker 1: that in perspective for us. We're having a difficult day,
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Speaker 1: and yet we get to talk to folks who experience
31:06
Speaker 1: great tragedy and are still speaking about the goodness and
31:10
Speaker 1: faithfulness of God. So I'm real curious Greg, looking back,
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Speaker 1: what would you tell your younger self in the midst
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Speaker 1: of your heartest season.
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Speaker 2: I wish that I would have trusted God more. I
31:21
Speaker 2: really really did doubt him. And yet that's why I'm
31:24
Speaker 2: so passionate today, because as I did lean into him
31:28
Speaker 2: and it was a slow process and think the thing
31:30
Speaker 2: and not ask the why question. Because the flood happened
31:33
Speaker 2: on my side of the street. You had a Walmart
31:35
Speaker 2: right across the street from me, and I played that
31:37
Speaker 2: why game? God, Walmart's got to work a thousand stores.
31:40
Speaker 2: I've got this one business. Why did you let the
31:41
Speaker 2: flood happen on my side of the street? Instead of
31:44
Speaker 2: asking why so much, God just say what do you
31:47
Speaker 2: want me to learn from this? And how can I
31:50
Speaker 2: be a blessing to other people through it? So I
31:53
Speaker 2: think that's what I would tell my younger self. But
31:55
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for God's gracing and they're my lack of
31:57
Speaker 2: faith as a young man thirty two years old, that
32:00
Speaker 2: God was patient with me and didn't give up on me,
32:03
Speaker 2: and just slowly but surely molded me, restored me, and
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Speaker 2: helped heal my heart.
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Speaker 1: In my mind, what a beautiful piece of wisdom when
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Speaker 1: we don't focus on why about Lord? What do you
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Speaker 1: want me to learn from this? What's next? Lord? Greg?
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Speaker 1: If a listener reviewer is resonating with our conversation today,
32:18
Speaker 1: maybe they're feeling pretty hopeless. We're going through a tragedy
32:22
Speaker 1: that they wonder how they're going to get through. What
32:24
Speaker 1: hope filled perspective would you want to leave them with?
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Speaker 2: I would just say, just not trying to figure out
32:29
Speaker 2: everything five years from now, five months from now, five
32:32
Speaker 2: weeks from now. Sometimes it's just a minute by our
32:36
Speaker 2: one day at a time thing. Oh you're like, I
32:38
Speaker 2: don't see how any way this is going to work out.
32:40
Speaker 2: But I really was at that spot and met with
32:42
Speaker 2: a pastor and he gave me this great wisdom. I
32:44
Speaker 2: was hopeless. One morning we met for coffee about eight thirty,
32:47
Speaker 2: and he listened to me and then he just said, well, Greg,
32:50
Speaker 2: I know you do have some faith. I know right
32:52
Speaker 2: now it's struggling. No, you're hanging on by threat. Do
32:55
Speaker 2: you have enough faith to make it to lunchtime today?
32:57
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I can do that. Then he
32:59
Speaker 2: texts me about one point thirty said, hey, Greg, have
33:01
Speaker 2: you got enough faith to make it till you get
33:03
Speaker 2: off work at five o'clock today, said, yeah, I do.
33:07
Speaker 2: And just these little small capsules of time that I
33:10
Speaker 2: just said, Okay, God, I don't know how you're gonna
33:11
Speaker 2: work this out, but you know, for three hours today,
33:13
Speaker 2: I'm gonna trust that you'll get me to this next
33:15
Speaker 2: three hours. And he just slowly but surely did. And man,
33:19
Speaker 2: it's never as quick as we want. We live in
33:21
Speaker 2: a microwave society. Amazon you can have the next day.
33:24
Speaker 2: But I found you'll appreciate this being in Texas and
33:27
Speaker 2: God's in the crockpip business. Okay, you know a meal
33:30
Speaker 2: compared to the microwave. Someone's been in the crock pot
33:33
Speaker 2: cooked all day. There's no no, no comparison. How good
33:36
Speaker 2: it tastes. The difference, well, the same thing. And when
33:39
Speaker 2: God heals us, yeah, sometimes he instantly does it. And
33:41
Speaker 2: praise God, he's still in the miracle making business. I
33:44
Speaker 2: still believe that. Over two thousand years and Jesus been God,
33:47
Speaker 2: I still believe he does that. But I think you
33:48
Speaker 2: would agree with me that probably about ninety percent of
33:51
Speaker 2: the time, maybe more. It's just a process. So trust
33:55
Speaker 2: God in the process eliminate the world. Why ask God
33:59
Speaker 2: what you need to learn from it and how you
34:01
Speaker 2: can be a blessing to others. And next thing you know,
34:04
Speaker 2: you'll be a week down the road, a month down
34:06
Speaker 2: the road. You start to feel a little bit better.
34:08
Speaker 2: You're not crying every day, You're not as hopeless. Six
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Speaker 2: mounction hour, You're like, hey, I mean, God is so good.
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Speaker 2: On the twentieth anniversary of the flood where my life
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Speaker 2: changed forever, somebody texted me said, hey, thinking about you
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Speaker 2: and praying for you today. I said, well, I really
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Speaker 2: appreciate that, they said. I text back and they said, well,
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Speaker 2: I know today's a tough day for you. And I
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Speaker 2: text back and I said, I'm embarrassed to ask you this,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not sure what you're talking about. What's the
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Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary of the flood? Totally didn't remember it anymore.
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Speaker 2: God had healed all that distant memory from me. So
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Speaker 2: be encouraged by that today.
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Speaker 1: Greg, thank you for coming on and sharing your testimony
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Speaker 1: and encouraging others to hold on in hope. Friends, I
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Speaker 1: biblically based hope Field perspective. It's been my delight to
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Speaker 1: But until then, it's my prayer for you that you
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Speaker 1: have a hope filled week.
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Speaker 3: Job frustrations, difficult relationships, fluctuating health, emotional upheaval. When life
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Speaker 3: Michelle Bankson knows severely ill admired the depression. She desperately
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Speaker 3: to stand on God's promises that despite her circumstances, every
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Speaker 3: In this uplifting devotional, doctor Bankson helps you make each
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