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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 8/07/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Six thirty fifty five KRC detalk station being Friday. It
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  Speaker 1: is that time a week and get the value and
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of intrust its Dave Hatter Tech Friday with
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  Speaker 1: Write Dave Hatter, welcome back, my friend. Happy Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Well, happy Friday, Bryant, you and Jail and all your listeners,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm always happy to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Intrust dot com. You can find Dave and you should
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  Speaker 1: LinkedIn dot com because he always posts the articles and
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  Speaker 1: information throughout the week that he relies on, not just
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  Speaker 1: for this program, but other valuable information. Dave Hatter I
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  Speaker 1: was talking about Meta being ordered to pay multiple millions
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  Speaker 1: and if not multiple billions of dollars in these lawsuits
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  Speaker 1: for corrupting children got a new Mexico judge ordering them
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  Speaker 1: a total of nine hundred million dollars. I guess on
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  Speaker 1: the stake there, But there are four lawsuits from other
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  Speaker 1: states with their seeking him trillion dollars from Meta. They've
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  Speaker 1: been awarded other jury awards. Their quarter second quarter legal
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  Speaker 1: costs two point four billion dollars. Is it possible that
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  Speaker 1: these lawsuits could bankrupt Meta and we might have to
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  Speaker 1: move into a world without social media? A dream for me?
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  Speaker 2: Well maybe, Brian, you know more about lawsuits and that
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  Speaker 2: sort of thing that I do. Uh. It is interesting
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  Speaker 2: because Meta seems to be so it. As a reminder, folks,
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  Speaker 2: Meta is the parent company of Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram and others.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they changed the name from Facebook to Meta
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  Speaker 2: some time ago, and you know, over the years they
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  Speaker 2: have rolled up a lot of different brands under the
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  Speaker 2: Meta name. So when you hear people talk about Meta,
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  Speaker 2: just to be clear again, it's what's happen. It's Instagram,
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  Speaker 2: it's Facebook primarily, and they just seem to get a
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  Speaker 2: lot of bad press. There's a lot of lawsuits that
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  Speaker 2: have been some whistleblowers. You know, I only know what's
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  Speaker 2: reported in the press. But Brian, I think you know
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan. I do you have a
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  Speaker 2: Facebook account? I only use it from a very lockdown
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  Speaker 2: web browser on a very lockdown computer. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: that app. I don't use any of their other products,
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  Speaker 2: and so, you know, not a huge fan. But then
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  Speaker 2: you know this. Here's another another angle here from MSN.
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  Speaker 2: Meta used AI to target workers with medical conditions for layoffs,
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  Speaker 2: former lawsuit claims. So you know, twenty six former colleagues
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  Speaker 2: and Meta Platforms have found a lawsuit against the company,
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  Speaker 2: accusing it of using AI powered software that disproportionately targeted
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  Speaker 2: people with disabilities or who took medical lead and selecting
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  Speaker 2: people from mass layoffs that it did not immediately respond
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  Speaker 2: for comment. Now, you know, it'll be interesting to see
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  Speaker 2: how this plays out. Meta has also come under fire
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  Speaker 2: in the not too recent past for using what some
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  Speaker 2: would call spyware or boss wear type software to watch
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  Speaker 2: what employees are doing. Some said it's because they want
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  Speaker 2: to train AI and then get rid of those folks.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the allegations. I think they've backed
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  Speaker 2: off of that now because it caused a storm of
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  Speaker 2: controversial So yeah, yeahs. As of late, it seems like
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  Speaker 2: they aren't doing well in the courts and in public opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Recently rolled out there smart glasses and have gotten some
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  Speaker 2: backlash on that for folks who haven't followed that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Smart glasses. This idea is not new. Google did this
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  Speaker 2: several years ago, but they never really caught on that.
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  Speaker 2: Meta has some partnerships. I think Ray Bann is one
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  Speaker 2: of them. Perhaps they're building glasses because you know, computers
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  Speaker 2: now are very small. You can put them in the
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  Speaker 2: frame of sunglasses or you know larger framed glasses. You
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  Speaker 2: put a microphone on it, a camera on it, and
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  Speaker 2: you have a very privacy invasive device on someone's face.
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  Speaker 2: Because even though supposedly these all have a light that
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  Speaker 2: turns on that lets you know their recording, of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing that would stop someone from painting over it,
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  Speaker 2: or putting a sticker over it, or obscuring the light
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  Speaker 2: in some way and now you're talking to someone or
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  Speaker 2: where chet Brian. Some folks have alleged thes are quote
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  Speaker 2: perve glasses unquote or something like that, because you don't
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  Speaker 2: know when you might be in a restroom and the
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  Speaker 2: person next to you is wearing these glasses and recording
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  Speaker 2: or in any kind of setting. So yeah, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a fan. I think it's super invasive. I am
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  Speaker 2: not a fan of how everything is being computerized and
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  Speaker 2: we're adding software into everything is getting connected because, as
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  Speaker 2: you'll see in a later story this morning, all of
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  Speaker 2: these things are vulnerable. You know Mike Ohipponent, I've mentioned
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  Speaker 2: him on your show many times very well. Olarn, cybersecurity expert,
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  Speaker 2: wrote a book called if It's Smart, It's Ulnerable. He's
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  Speaker 2: written many books. One of his latest is if It's Smart,
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  Speaker 2: It's Vulnerable. And the point he's trying to make is,
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  Speaker 2: as we make everything a computer, your car, your refrigerator,
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  Speaker 2: fill in the blank, these glasses, they are vulnerable. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just the privacy implications of the stuff, which are
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  Speaker 2: bad enough, in my opinion, it's that these things connect
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  Speaker 2: to the Internet, they connect to your local network, they
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  Speaker 2: might connect to your work network, and they create vulnerabilities
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  Speaker 2: that bad guys can exploit to do all kinds of
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  Speaker 2: bad things.
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  Speaker 1: Like that, really really, really bad things. We're gonna pause.
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  Speaker 1: We'll bring today back to talk about water utilities among
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  Speaker 1: the things that can be hacked because they too are
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  Speaker 1: hooked up to the internet. We just found out about
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  Speaker 1: this and that problem is a frightening one interest I
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thummas with Dave had it from intrust dot Com,
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  Speaker 1: this scared the living crap out of me, Dave Hatter,
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  Speaker 1: because if we don't get water and easily, now, how
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  Speaker 1: about electricity or anything else that took up to the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently some nefarious powers figured out a way to interfere
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  Speaker 1: with multiple water systems across multiple states.
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  Speaker 2: Dave, this is bad, Brian, and you and I have
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  Speaker 2: talked about this many times over the years. As a
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  Speaker 2: reminder for folks, the FBI has defined sixteen critical infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: sectors Logistics, manufacturing, water, power, telecom, etc. You and I
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  Speaker 2: have talked many times again over the years on attacks
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  Speaker 2: on different aspects of these sixteen sectors. There's another headline
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you real quick before we get into this
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  Speaker 2: water thing, because frankly, I could have spent the whole
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  Speaker 2: morning just on the water thing. From next of Chinese
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  Speaker 2: telecom firms kept footholds in US networks despite federal crackdown
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  Speaker 2: house probe fines. So the US Select Committee on China
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  Speaker 2: just put out a big report on this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the telecom system, which is essentially the Internet at this point,
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  Speaker 2: makes all of this stuff work because everything has software
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  Speaker 2: in it. As I mentioned at last in the last second,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and if the telecom system goes down, that
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  Speaker 2: may bring everything else down. Certainly, if the power grid
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  Speaker 2: goes down in any meaningful way, once the once the
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  Speaker 2: backup generators stop working, everything goes down. It's a serious,
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  Speaker 2: serious concern. I know people don't want to hear this.
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  Speaker 2: I know it seems far fetched and fantastic, but I
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  Speaker 2: encourage people to go out and check out organizations like Infraguard,
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  Speaker 2: which is a public private partnership with the FBI. There's
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  Speaker 2: a very active chapter here in Cincinnati. One of my
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  Speaker 2: interest colleagues, Kim Black, runs it. We just had a
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  Speaker 2: meeting where the FBI and the Ohio Cyber Reserve came
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  Speaker 2: in this week. You've got organizations like the Foundation for
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  Speaker 2: Infrastructure Resilience all focused on this sort of thing. But
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  Speaker 2: to get back to this particular story, so about two
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, the news broke that some water plants in
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota had been attacked. Now this is not new, this
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  Speaker 2: has happened before. And when folks say why this, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not worried about this whatever, Let me remind folks of
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  Speaker 2: Stuck's Net in case we have forgotten. Stuck's Net was
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  Speaker 2: a virus someone made. The US has never claimed responsibility. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then they used it to fool uranium the centerfuge
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  Speaker 2: operators in Iran who were refining uranium into thinking the
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  Speaker 2: centrifuges were operating correctly. This is what the virus did
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  Speaker 2: while they basically tore themselves apart, and hundreds, if not thousands,
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  Speaker 2: of uranium centrifuges were destroyed. So it looked like it
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  Speaker 2: was doing what it was supposed to do while actually
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  Speaker 2: to itself apart. So when you say what could go wrong, well,
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  Speaker 2: so it turns out at least thirty water plants in
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota were attacked, at least one went down for some
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  Speaker 2: period of time, at least one had to revert to
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  Speaker 2: manual operations. And this gets to the idea of resiliency
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  Speaker 2: which SISSA, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, has been pushing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you have to try to defend against this stuff, but
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  Speaker 2: you have to make sure your systems are resilient. You
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  Speaker 2: have backups, you can recover, you can implement manual processes
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  Speaker 2: if necessary. So then we find out after a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days, well, no, it's not just Minnesota. It's not
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  Speaker 2: just thirty water plants in Minnesota. This has apparently happened
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  Speaker 2: in seven states. A few days later, we're up to
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  Speaker 2: twelve states. So here's the headline from ABC News. At
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  Speaker 2: least twelve states face cyber attacks on their water systems.
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  Speaker 2: Sources say, you know, it's been linked to Iran. That
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  Speaker 2: probably makes sense in light at the current hostilities, and
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  Speaker 2: also Iran has been well known for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: along with China, Russia, and North Korea as sort of
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  Speaker 2: the evil access of hacking. From a US perspective, this
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  Speaker 2: article says the FBI is urging utilities to disconnect systems
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  Speaker 2: from the Internet where possible, use systems with breakers, and
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  Speaker 2: become familiar with reverting to manual controls if automatum systems
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  Speaker 2: are compromised. Now, yes, all good advice. One of the
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  Speaker 2: problems with this, Brian. One of the problems is so
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  Speaker 2: much of this operational technology. Right, You've got information technology,
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  Speaker 2: the computers we use to do white collar knowledge worker
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  Speaker 2: type stuff. Then you've got office technolog or operational technology,
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  Speaker 2: the technology used in plants, to monitor systems, to control
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  Speaker 2: systems to make sure the right amount of chemicals are
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  Speaker 2: in the water, sensors you know, thermostats, all that sort
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. Most of that was never designed for any
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  Speaker 2: sort of real security. Wasn't designed to have antivirus software on.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't designed the same way the information technologies. It's
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  Speaker 2: much harder to secure. Most of it was never designed
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  Speaker 2: to be facing the Internet. A lot of this stuff
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  Speaker 2: was connected to the Internet during the COVID pandemic so
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  Speaker 2: that people could work remotely. And now we're starting to
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  Speaker 2: see the concerns people like me. So when you think
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  Speaker 2: IoT Internet of things, you know, I don't like this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Brian mentioned it segment. This is yet another example of
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  Speaker 2: how putting software into everything, making everything quote unquote smart,
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  Speaker 2: connecting everything to the Internet. As Miko says in his book,
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  Speaker 2: which I'll put in my notes today, so people should
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  Speaker 2: read the book, we are creating an enormous amount of
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  Speaker 2: risk in an incredibly fragile system. And now you're starting
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  Speaker 2: to see that it's not people like I might be insane, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not wrong about this particular topic or not.
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  Speaker 2: We are in We have got tickets serious about protecting
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  Speaker 2: our infrastructure, and we must do it now.
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  Speaker 1: You can't deny it happens. You can't deny it's possible
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  Speaker 1: to happen because it's already happened. You can't deny the
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  Speaker 1: threat that it presents because we happen to be Call
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  Speaker 1: it a war, call it whatever, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: you want to call it doesn't matter, or well, Ministry
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  Speaker 1: of Truth. The Iranians, we're bombing them. We have hard
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  Speaker 1: targets we bomb. Why would we bomb them, well, because
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  Speaker 1: we want to blow it up, Like let's say, let's
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  Speaker 1: blow up the nuclear stuff. There we go, it's all gone.
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  Speaker 1: We're safe. Why would we want to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the reactors or the centrifuges because they're making uranium and
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  Speaker 1: rich with them. Let's get rid of those. You can
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  Speaker 1: either drop a bomb on them, or you can unlease
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  Speaker 1: software on them and destroy them and more effectively, it's
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  Speaker 1: an active war. We're bombing the Iranians if they have
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  Speaker 1: access to our critical infrastructure. They don't have drones over
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  Speaker 1: here to launch on the cities, but they can engage
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  Speaker 1: in an active war like making life miserable for us
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  Speaker 1: by shutting down water, electricity or anything else they can
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  Speaker 1: capably shut down through the Internet. There, and it's you
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  Speaker 1: know what, you can justify that action all day long.
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  Speaker 1: Right we the country of the United States at war
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  Speaker 1: with the Iranians. They can reach out and literally touch
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  Speaker 1: us through the Internet and hard let's do something about it,
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  Speaker 1: elected officials and those responsibles. Six forty six don't go away.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about all that streaming stick that
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  Speaker 1: you're getting ready to buy.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter pivoting over TV streaming stick. What do we
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  Speaker 1: need to watch out for, Dave?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is more Internet of things issue that are
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  Speaker 2: constantly coming up. But I'm trying to convince people that
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  Speaker 2: you should stop buying this stuff. Your ring doorbell, your nest, thermostat,
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  Speaker 2: fill in the blank on the brand. And frankly, at
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  Speaker 2: least the more well known brands are from trust more
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  Speaker 2: trustworthy companies than some super cheap thing you found out
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  Speaker 2: the internet that's coming straight from China. So Brian Krebs
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  Speaker 2: is a fairly well known security researcher. He's got a
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  Speaker 2: blog he covers all all of the sort of stuff
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about on a regular basis. So yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: story came out on the thirtieth. Security experts have been
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  Speaker 2: sounding the alarmed for years on the risks of using
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  Speaker 2: generic TV boxes smart TVs right, smart TV boxes Now
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  Speaker 2: things like Roku and Amazon Firestick. That's a different category. These,
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  Speaker 2: in many cases, are things designed to get you free TV,
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  Speaker 2: free movies, that sort of stuff. You know, It's like
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  Speaker 2: the old school cable box you got from a friend
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  Speaker 2: if you know what I mean, Ran, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about right old days, Yes, promise
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  Speaker 2: unlimited content streaming for a one time fee, warning that
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  Speaker 2: they secretly rent the user's Internet connection out to strangers.
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  Speaker 2: This is a perfect example of what I mean by
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  Speaker 2: the Internet of Things is so problematic. You now have
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  Speaker 2: a device that's got software in it. Do you know
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  Speaker 2: where the chips and the device came from. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know who wrote the software? Do you know if the
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  Speaker 2: software is secured? Do you know if it has back
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  Speaker 2: doors that Russian hackers or Chinese hackers or whomever can
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  Speaker 2: exploit to do who knows what to you, your family,
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  Speaker 2: your organization that you're connecting to over the network that
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  Speaker 2: has these potentially compromised devices, or or as we've seen,
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  Speaker 2: what would a nerd like we would call a bot
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  Speaker 2: net attack where they enlist hundreds thousands, millions of these
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  Speaker 2: devices for some sort of nefarious purpose, like to take
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  Speaker 2: down the website because all of these devices start flooding
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  Speaker 2: it with network traffic. So this goes on to say
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  Speaker 2: groundbreaking new analysis finds these devices also routinely spoof themselves
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  Speaker 2: as mobile phones, clicking ads on AI generator websites as
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  Speaker 2: part of a sprawling operation that seeks to defraud online
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  Speaker 2: merchants and advertising networks. I know it's hard for people
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  Speaker 2: to understand that you're so called smart refrigerator. Now again,
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  Speaker 2: if you're buying something from Phillips Urell, you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of these big companies, that's different, But it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: that it could not be hacked in some way. Right,
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  Speaker 2: I'll go back to what I said in the last
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  Speaker 2: segment again, I'll post this book make o opponent. If
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  Speaker 2: it's smart, it's vulnerable. If it has software in it,
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  Speaker 2: it is vulnerable. I don't care what it is. And
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  Speaker 2: when you're buying these cheap things from shady websites, from
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  Speaker 2: unheard of brands because you think you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: free streaming or whatever, you are literally potentially bringing a
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  Speaker 2: cyber grenade into your environment. As Crabs points out in here,
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  Speaker 2: it could do all kinds of different things to you
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  Speaker 2: or to someone else. Imagine a million of these boxes
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  Speaker 2: suddenly pointed at the Department of Defense to try to
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  Speaker 2: knock their systems offline, or pointed at your local water
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  Speaker 2: plant or whatever whatever it is, Brian, whatever their nefarious
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  Speaker 2: purpose is, these things are almost always full of software
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  Speaker 2: that is junk at best, if not some sort of
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  Speaker 2: cyber weapon waiting to be set off. I know this
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  Speaker 2: sounds crazy to people. You don't have to take my
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  Speaker 2: word for it. See what crabs are saying, see what
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  Speaker 2: others are saying. I understand the convenience, I understand the
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  Speaker 2: cool factor of much of this stuff. I understand why
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  Speaker 2: people want them. The point I'm always trying to make is,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is the risk to you,
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  Speaker 2: your family, to anything that is connecting you're connecting to
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  Speaker 2: through a network that is potentially compromised with one or
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  Speaker 2: more of these things, is it really worth it? And
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  Speaker 2: now when we see these water plant attacks, other attacks
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  Speaker 2: on critical infrastructure. There was another story to Brian a
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  Speaker 2: port somewhere I forget where. I think in South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: I might have the story wrong. You know, they have
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  Speaker 2: these big shipping cranes. There was a cyber attack on that.
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  Speaker 2: We have got to get serious about our critical infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: and we have got to stop buying all of this garbage.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to slow down with all of this technology.
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  Speaker 2: We have to understand. I'm not saying it could never work.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's inherently bad, saying much of this
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  Speaker 2: consumer great stuff, especially at best, is problematic or worse,
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  Speaker 2: as we have now seen in many cases, is essentially
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  Speaker 2: some type of spyware cyber weapon waiting to be used
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  Speaker 2: by cybergang of some sort, or worse, some nation state
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  Speaker 2: actor like Russia or China or Iran.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all right, well, you know it seems to
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  Speaker 1: me that this sort of logically, and I'm hesitant to
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  Speaker 1: say it out loud for fear that someone's going to
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  Speaker 1: accuse me of wanting more government oversight or something, but
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  Speaker 1: that a national certification body or someone filled with people
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  Speaker 1: who are capable of analyzing any Internet of Thing device
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  Speaker 1: and determining whether it represents a security risk or not. Mean, well,
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  Speaker 1: there was even done.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there was a move afoot. I can't remember what
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  Speaker 2: the program is called, but something along the lines of
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  Speaker 2: the Energy Star program. I believe it was the FTC
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  Speaker 2: to do what you're describing. I'm skeptical of how effective
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  Speaker 2: that would be, especially because a unless you make it
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  Speaker 2: mandatory that every product sold in the United States has
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to go through this process. You know, if it's a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: voluntary submission system, it's the bad guys who are purposely
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  Speaker 2: nefarious are not going to do it. And secondarily, now,
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  Speaker 2: could could AI assist with this? Maybe? Yeah, but it
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  Speaker 2: is hard to find these kinds of vulnerabilities and software.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine Brian, millions of devices now with software inside them
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  Speaker 2: and connected to the Internet that you would have to
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  Speaker 2: analyze for this sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I listen, the challenges are fly at you in a
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  Speaker 1: million directions. I get it, which is why where my
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  Speaker 1: hesitancy came from. But you identify the problem, we need
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  Speaker 1: to come up with a solution. And the quickest, easiest
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: solution is just don't buy the stuff in the first
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  Speaker 1: place intrust i dot com. Get David's team to work
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  Speaker 1: on your business computer needs, you'd be glad you did. Dave,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your uh uh, your your
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  Speaker 1: willingness to engage my listening audience and provide this great
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