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S4 E15 TCWT Live! Husbands Under Suspicion - Dark Tales of Deceit and Betrayal · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello, Hey there, it's been
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  a little while. Nice to see everyone. And your makeup is on point
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  tonight. Oh it is, thank you. I haven't worn makeup in a
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  while. Felt good. Yeah. I like the red. I like the
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  red. Here blonde, Buddhist, Hello, Terry High, Jaded Hello,
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  Lama. Captain bells that it was belligain the Captain if I didn't say it
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  jaded High. Look lovely you are? You are? Oh fabulous? I
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  will take you. Yes, it has been a rash. I'm practicing for
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  our meet up. Been denver with the makeup because you know I'm gonna do
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  your I'm super psyched. Let's see here, I think do you want to
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  do? You want to announce the I honestly think he's gonna be the mascot
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  of our show. So are you talking about the new addition to my family?
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  Yes, you just tell me when you want me to put up the
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  photo. So double h. I've been begging to add to our family for
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  a year because I was having that I needed a baby. Let's be honest,
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  I needed a baby. I just need it. And he gave in
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  to me. And our new edition was born on Sunday and he will get
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  to come home on Tuesday to live with that. So he was an Easter
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  baby and he'll be home on Tuesday. And if you want to show everybody
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  his picture, you can. I shall meet Jasper. I got a kid,
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  that's right, a goat. He's a dwarf Nigerian goat. Can I
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  tell you? I love the fact that you have Jasper the goat and I
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  have Casper the dog. Oh maybe that's where I got it from. Because
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  I saw him and I was like Jasper. Because originally I had said I
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  was going to name whatever goat I got Peppermint, and I saw him and
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  I was like, oh, Jasper. So now we have Jasper and Casper.
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  So I think jazz. First off, Jasper and Casper should be should
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  be best friends. But also, y'all, I think Jasper needs to be
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  our official mascot for the show. I agree because the reason I got him,
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  they actually can be trained like dogs. He'll be bottle fed for several
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  months by me the mama, and he will sleep in pajamas. So if
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  anybody wants to send him infant pajamas, feel free, he will need them.
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  Because I keep my room sixty two degrees at night, and he will
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  go in and out the pet door, and he will be part of our
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  family. About his harness today, his leash. Look at those eyeballs ete
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  so sweet. I'm so excited. I really wanted to bring him home today
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  and I could have, since you know he's being bottle fed. You can
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  take them after two days. But we're going to be out at the ranch
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  for the solar eclipse this weekend with eight dogs, and I decided that might
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  be a little much for him. Yeah, so I don't I don't know.
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  I don't know much about the stress levels or anxiety levels of goats,
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  but I would imagine a new place plus six dogs, plus everything else going
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  on. Eight the sun's gonna be blocked, is gonna freak everything out.
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  So yeah, eight dogs, eight that's right, because our neighbors, you
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  know, who were going to they're gonna be But yeah, I, oh,
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  what's a baby Bjorn? What's that the I think it's the cart,
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  isn't it? Kevin? Can he sleep on a heated pad like a new
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  like newborn puppies do? He can, but it's not cold enough for that
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  because it's only sixty two. He could just sleep under a blanket. So
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  he doesn't get chilled. If it was like thirty degrees, he would need
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  a little heat and pad like, he will not be able to sleep outside
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  in the hammock with me. This is the baby Bjorn. Oh my god,
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  I should absolutely need that because I was gonna get one of those cloth
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  things that you put him in that they can just adorable. I can't wait,
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  I can't it's the best. Oh he already licked me and kissed me
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  and I held him for an hour and a half today. No, yeah,
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  I couldn't wait. See, I need to get one because I need
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  to wear him and that because he'll get fed by his bottles several times a
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  day. So I will officially be on kit duty literally literally, Africam.
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  We have eight or nine cameras at the house, so I can definitely share
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  camera footage from when he's outside or in the kitchen. I'm not putting a
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  camera my beach. Yes. Oh, he already he did a little hop
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  and he shook his little tail and I just melted. And I already have
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  diapers for him. Oh yeah, I guess, So I guess that's not
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  necessary. Huh yeah, well just while he's training, just while he's training,
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  so he will be our mascot. I might even have to make him
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  a little shirt that says true crime and one time on it. Oh my
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  gosh, I love it so much. Well, so he will be on
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  our next live stream. He will be right here in my lab. I'm
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  so excited. So I've got silly, ridiculous news. And I know you
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  have one that we briefly talked about before we went live. What would you
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  like? And then and then we'll get into our like actual theme, which
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  are crappy husbands. What why don't we do my one first? Because then
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  your silly ones can put us back lighthearted. Because okay, I need people
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  to help me understand how what's happening is happening. I'm sure everybody has heard
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  about Riley Strain, the young college student who went missing after attending my other
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  husband, or my cheat husband, Luke Bryan's bar in Nashville. He went
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  missing and they found him in the Lake river water. They said there was
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  no foul play and he drowned. But guys, he wasn't wearing his jeans,
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  his boots, and his wallet wasn't found and there was no water in
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  his lungs. So his parents are getting a second autopsy done by an independent
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  person because I have to say I agree with the parents. How can it
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  be accidental if he didn't have his pants on or his cowboy boots and they
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  weren't found on the bank anywhere. I mean, how could that be an
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  accident? And there's no water in his lungs because he would have had to
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  taken off his boots and his pants. But he didn't have his wallet.
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  Somebody took it because his credit card was found somewhere else. So I'm just
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  going to go out and say, in my honest opinion, it be suspicious.
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  Yeah, very suspicious. It reminds me of the guy and the guys
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  that they keep finding here in Austin and Ladybird Lake. One of the guys
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  they said who drowned. His hands were tape, his mouth was duct taped,
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  and they said it was accidental drowning. Those people should like lose their
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  ability to Yeah, because if you had shorts on and flip flops, the
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  water could take your shoes, but cowboy boots. If you've ever worn cowboy
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  boots, that's the reason why they make devices for you to put your foot
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  in to take them off and looking at the videos of how drunk he was,
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  he would have just thrown them on the side of the you know,
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  so I'm gonna stay suspicious. So I like the fact that his family is
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  saying they're going to get an independent autopsy. And guys, let's be honest,
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  cops are not always right. They are still humans, so are medical
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  examiners. So I think more to come on that one. Correct, Oh
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  yeah, no, and uh, I'm sure you will keep up with that
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  one. I can't keep on. Yeah. Holly just said she her sister
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  one time slapping her boots because she was too drunk to take them off.
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  I will neither confirm nor deny. I might have done that multiple times in
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  my younger days. If you're if you're if you're super drunk and you don't
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  want to take your boots off or whatever, just add one more shot at
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  tequila close off and you're good. You're said, Oh no, I take
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  off everything but the boots and jeans because I couldn't get the boots off.
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  But I took off the top half because I was too drunk to get the
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  boots off. So I had to sleep in my geese and they were called
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  rocky mountains back in the day. I don't know if I don't know,
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  if I have ever been too drunk to d shoe. Yeah, okay,
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  I just confirmed it. He did. I just if you have one jeans,
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  you have to leave them on. You have to both said had Rockies.
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  Oh my god, they made my butt look good. They do Rockies
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  where they like bought out or they're no longer. Oh, I don't.
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  I don't know. I grew up in had kids. I don't know.
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  I had them in all colors. I even had some that had the little
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  chap flaps. Yeah, they were the same. These are not I just
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  typed in Rockies jeans. I'm not seeing anything Rockies. I'm seeing things that
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  are like Rockies jeans. Yeah, so I don't know. I'm old now.
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  I wear jeans with lack ryan them I wears. I like those jeans
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  that are straight. Yeah, I'm a fan. Hey, Sam oh Man,
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  Well, by the way, you're silly thing. Have we officially announced
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  everybody where we're going to be in July celebrating my birthday? No, I
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  don't know if I have. I don't think we have. So why don't
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  you share that wonderful news since you're going to be two timing that we get
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  it's going to be a threesome. Guy, It's going to be a threesome.
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  Two timer is a lovely kiss song. Okay, So we are going
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  to be at the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival. It is going to
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  be from July twelfth to fourteenth, and it is in Denver, Colorado at
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  the Denver Mary at Westminster Hotel. Hell, we're really excited about it.
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  I'm doubly excited because Brewe Crime is also there, So we're gonna get tables
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  that are next to each other. I'm just gonna kind of sit right awkwardly
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  in the middle and hopefully get kisses from both sides. Terry and Mike.
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  That's right the same time. And I'm gonna make you a shirt that's half
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  brue Crime and a half True Crime and wine time. And since the week
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  before my birthday, we're gonna do some shots. Shot shot shot shot,
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  shot shots. I'm gonna die. Hey, at least we will not have
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  cowboy boots on and we won't have far to walk upstairs to our hotel room.
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  Bossy Brunette, you should come on down and celebrate with us. We'll
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  buy you a shot up way up, way up, You're down south?
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  Oh, I guess that is a be, isn't it. You're not wrong.
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  Make him a bunch of shirts so he can just keep taking them off
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  to reveal another. You know, I can't even make you pasties for when
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  you take off the final shirt. Perfect. Perfect. Yes we will do
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  some live streaming, Yes, yeah, we definitely will. I actually just
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  got the new old refurbished laptop that I bought in the mail, and I
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  think that I'll be able to stream off of that. So I'll be bringing
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  probably my microphone and a couple other things. I just got to make sure
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  that they all plug in correctly. But what right? What would What would
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  be cool is that when we were in the exhibition room, I was able
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  to set stuff up and we were able just to go live from there.
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  Would be kind of cool. Oh yeah, I'm bringing my Mac, my
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  microphone. I'm even bringing my professional camera in case we want to take some
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  professional photos of I tripod. You need to finish that sentence, because you
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  said a professional photo to take head shots. Head shots. Oh, Angie,
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  that would be awesome, That would be amazing. So I am very
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  excited the three of us will be together yes, and so just to let
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  you know, it's gonna have live recordings of podcast episodes, crossover collabse,
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  panel discussions as well some of the podcasts that are coming, Voices for Justice
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  Canadian True Crime, Generation, Why the Trail Went Cold, True Sorry,
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  Crime Lines, and of course True Crime, Wine Time and Brew Crime,
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  and there's a ton oh True Consequences will be there. So Eric will be
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  there. Eric was on the Old Headshots is not vetery anyway, so Eric
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  will be there. Eric was on Night Court for an interview to talk about
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  his brother. Also, Defense Diaries will be there as well, so Bob
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  Mada will be there. I'll try and get him on a live in some
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  way, shape or form. There's just so many there's so many podcasts,
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  and then of course if you're into the paranormal, there's a few of those
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  coming as well. There's just a lot of cool stuff that's going to be
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  had, So come on now seems like a good time. Also, that
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  will also be the week after we have the event for the seven year anniversary
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  of Chase Lackey going missing. And I've already talked with his parents and gotten
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  permission to share photos and things about the Chase case and updates and share a
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  little bit more information. We won't do it on the live, but for
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  anyone that's there in person, you will get to see a little bit of
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  the inside working and some of the documents because I will be bringing at all
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  with me. And that reason I'm doing that is because I am getting in
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  a day early since there are some ties to Denver with his disappearance. I'm
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  gonna go do some skulking around. It's gonna it's gonna be cool because just
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  like it'll be my first time seeing a lot of people, it'll be my
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  first our first time meeting and Mike, and my first time I in like
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  four years. I just I just went down South Estate and met up with
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  a couple of mods uh that are here on our channel and got to meet
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  them and that was cool. So we had a good time. Uh.
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  It's always it's always a weird, you know, it's less weird nowadays to
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  meet folks that you've known online as long as you're safe about it. You
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  know, it happens way more often. But you know, it had been
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  a year and I was like, I think they're not going to murder me.
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  They might, but hopefully they know how to do it and get away
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  with it. At least get away with it. That's all I'm saying.
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  Maybe it worth it. Well, I will say today when I went to
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  go meet the rancher where Jasper was born. As I'm driving there, I'm
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  talking to one of my gaze and I tell him, just so you know,
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  I don't know the guy's last name, and I did not do a
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  background check on him. And I'm driving eight miles down a farm road and
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  there are no people, and it's a little scary, and I was like,
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  so, please keep track of where I am in case I go missing
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  and I get buried by the goats or the pigs. M mmmmmmm. But
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  he's athlete anyway, I don't. I don't know where to go from.
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  I know of like, I didn't get murdered, You didn't get murdered.
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  It's all good. Uh oh, you met the mod most likely it's true,
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  it's true. Luckily she likes me. Okay. So in terms of
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  some ridiculous news, we always think about Punk Satani, Punk Satani, Puck
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  Satani, whatever, Phil the Groundhog, we always think about him, see
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  in his shadow, predicting that stuff. Not you're not double never mind.
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  So we always think about what he does, but we never think about his
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  life other than that appearance. It's like we only care about that. So
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  as of March twenty eighth, twenty twenty four, let's see where it is.
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  So Phil has a wife who's a groundhog. Obviously that's really stupid.
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  I shouldn't have to clarify that. But her name is no. Do not
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  take that. I mean he could be married to a mole. You're right,
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  You're right, I shouldn't. I shouldn't. Yeah, I don't.
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  I'm not quite sure what phrase would go where they're do not stereotype him?
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  Do not stereotype him? Right? Well, Phyllis and Phil have become parents.
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  Phyllis gave birth to two healthy babies. Didn't specify their sex or give
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  names for either. He's to announce that Puck Satani Phil has had his first
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  children, and we believe they are two baby groundhogs. We believe there are,
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  and that Phil and Phillis have started a family. They said, we're
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  pleased about it, and I talked to Phil with my kid. I talked
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  to Phil with my cane, which lets me speak groundhog ees and Phil could
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  not be more excited. About his family starting and now we will never ever
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  know what the whether it's going to be longer winter or not, because he's
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  going to be sleeping. He'll be so tired because of the kids. You
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  know that that's true. I have to tell you a groundhog is one animal
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  I've never wanted to own, you know, yeah, probably not the teeth.
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  I have mole issues that we've had to deal with. Yeah, yeah,
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  they destroy your yard. I need I need an an race series about
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  Phil. I do have to agree. How are these his first children or
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  is he a late bloomer? And he finally settled down because he's just been
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  sewing his oats all these years. I mean maybe you know, he was
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  really focused on his career. You know, he's getting to the big he's
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  getting into the big hole, you know, and that's that was you know,
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  that's where he's televised and excited. So he was working real hard.
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  He finally settled down after he had been there and he realized that he needed
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  something more. It just wasn't enough. So that's Phil. Now we're thinking
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  about Phil in the off season of Phil, which is literally any other day
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  except for Groundhog Day. Now, Phil's having a great day. This guy
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  is not a Long Island scientist copped to running a breaking bad style meth lab
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  that initially landed on police's radar when he called about a break in at the
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  facility last year. He's twenty three. He accidentally called the cops on himself
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  when he dialed nine to one one around three thirty am June seventh to report
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  a burglary in progress at his purported this is the word ron con coma Ronkonkoma
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  Establishment Quantitative Laboratories LLC. When they reached the scene, they found broken glass
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  at the entrance of the lab, a facility that they eventually realized was sekly
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  manufacturing and pumping out meth and other controlled substances, including the hallucinogenic dimethyl triptomine.
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  Uh, he's what you what you would think he would look like.
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  I'll show you in a second. He's definitely got this dexter look to him.
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  But that's not the point. He didn't kill anybody who's running a meth
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  lab. He had more than one hundred items of lab equipment. He had
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  three ounces of meth, six hundred and twenty five five thousand milligrams of pure
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  ketamine and twenty plastic jugs of gamma gamma buttle but toolactone GBL, which is
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  OH which is similar to the date rape drug GHB. Yeah, and they
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  also sees forty thousand dollars. He was literally operating a breaking bad style drug
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  lab and try to conceal it under the guise of a legitimate business. That
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  so insane until in called nine one one. Right. Though he admitted to
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  manufacturing the potent and deadly drugs, his lawyer attempted to paint a positive picture
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  of his client. Of course he did. That's your job. Attorney David
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  Besso, in case you guys want to never hire him, told Newsday his
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  client is a quote brilliant scientist who is examining drug addiction for the public good,
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  and denied he sold meth out of a lab. Sir, sir,
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  sir, let me see here, let me open this picture him. I'm
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  going to just say, that's not a good spin job. Nobody's buying that
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  story. Oh Ella, what a champ. He had run a lab or
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  he was gonna drive a white unmarked boss. There was no in between.
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  He had those two options. Yes, uh so, last, last,
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  but not least, This Tennessee Mom as of April fourth, reminds me of
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  you, why because here we go. Tennessee mom turns in teen sons after
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  seeing them on wanted poster for allegedly shooting at a cop, and she is
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  quoted as saying, hell no, that would be me, not not no,
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  but hell no, And I would. I would drive them there,
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  and I would their first certificate, their toothbrush d yes to teach them a
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  lesson. After she spotted them on a wanted poster, she goes, I'm
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  like, are you serious? Ah? Hell no? Uh for shooting at
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  a police officer? Oh yeah, definitely, She goes, I don't play
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  no games with them. If you want to do the crime, you gotta
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  do the time, plain and simple, she said, explaining that despite her
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  tough love stance, the situation was very emotional for her. Kids are seventeen
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  and eighteen, and they're accused of firing two bullets at a pursuing police officer
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  after they allegedly fled from him during a traffic stop, and then they fled
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  into the woods on foot after firing the shots, and their faces were later
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  captured on a nearby residence's door camera. Well the boys job. Mom.
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  Let's see, they were charged with aggravated assault of a police officer. Good.
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  They've interviewed a third person of interest, but they haven't charged them.
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  I just think it's hysterical that she was like, oh hell no, oh
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  no. I so many parents are like, oh, I mean I just
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  read a story this morning about the kid who was one of the kids who
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  helped beat up and kill a kid. The parents took them to his cat.
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  I've been to let his hands heal so he wouldn't get caught. No,
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  you don't cover up your kid's crime. You turn them in, because
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  how are you going to teach them to do the right thing. So a
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  funny story, and I will not share the video. I talking about turning
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  in your children, how about turning in your grandson? When you ask Double
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  H. Grandson when he was here for spring break, fell and hurt himself.
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  So I asked Double H. I said, hey, will you pull
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  up one of the cameras out front and see if we caught him when he
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  fell. I want to see exactly how he fell. He's like, no,
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  he goes he was around the rose bush. But I did catch him
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  pulling down his pants and taking a leak into his Tonka dump truck, pushing
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  it around and then dumping it on the grass. So me, being the
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  grandmother, I am, I'm a good ball mall. When he was here
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  for Easter this past weekend, I said, hey, I said, you
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  know how Mama tells you that to be a good person, that means even
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  when you think no one's looking, you have to do the right thing.
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  He goes ah. I said, well, let me show you this video
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  Paul found and I showed him the video and he looked at me and he
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  goes uh oh. I said, m hmm. I said, you can't
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  be doing that. And I didn't let him play. I didn't let him
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  play with that truck the entire weekend. I told him he was grounded from
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  it for his improper use of it. Listen, my uncle always told me
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  be good or be good at it, just just get good. That's all.
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  Just get good. You know what he could have done was disguise himself
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  like this person. This this the story comes a courtesy of Angie. But
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  I'm just gonna hit this video. I don't have audio playing because I don't
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  want to get cut. But let's take a look at this real fast So
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  this person is going to steal a package off of a off of a porch
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  and he is in a trash bag in order to avoid detection. Look look
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  at this. Look at this moving trap. It looks like e T with
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  the with the robe on. Oh by god, that is hilarious. You
• 30:38
  know what. They don't know who he is, right, well, I
• 30:41
  don't know. Let's see a person who was taking a package off of somebody's
• 30:47
  porch obviously had a hair brain scheme, but it worked. So it's starting
• 30:55
  to make the rounds because it captures the thief who disguised himself as a trash
• 30:59
  bag, but one of them on the move. So trash the owner said
• 31:06
  he couldn't believe his eyes thinking someone was playing a prank on him. At
• 31:08
  first, I was kind of angry at uh, it was something I was
• 31:11
  expecting. It was something I was expecting. But at the end of the
• 31:15
  day it was kind of funny. Unclear if he saw this out the fact
• 31:18
  or watching in the act. In any case, he's not really been out
• 31:22
  of shape about it, so they don't know who this person is. There
• 31:26
  wasn't really a loss to it, but I'm quite fascinated to see if they
• 31:29
  ever figured this out. So that made me so happy. Oh oh,
• 31:33
  that's that's unfortunate. I did read another, like one last story about this
• 31:41
  guy was a shoe collector who was having problems with porch pirates and decided that
• 31:45
  he was going to get them and so he basically filled an entire shoe box
• 31:49
  with poop and they Yeah, so it's really funny. Yeah, So anyways,
• 31:57
  Crazy Stories. Was that guy in the trash bag in Florida by any
• 32:06
  chance? Because that looks like it should be a Friday Florida man thing.
• 32:12
  All right, hold on, let me let me just check. I'll make
• 32:14
  sure. Uh Sacramento, California. Oh darn, that is such a Florida
• 32:23
  thing. I would think it is very much a Florida thing. I don't
• 32:30
  know that means. That's all I gotta say about that. All I know.
• 32:35
  All I want to say is that package couldn't have been very big to
• 32:39
  fit underneath there. It didn't look very big. I hope it was something
• 32:43
  good. That's what she said. Yeah, okay, it was. It
• 32:52
  was staring me in the face, and that's also what she said. So
• 32:57
  who am I going for doing? For you? Are? But first,
• 33:00
  what are you drinking. Oh yeah, that's probably gonna be important to know
• 33:06
  by the end of this. So I found I like to do the combo
• 33:09
  like you can pick your own beers because I get a good chance, like
• 33:14
  taste of everything. Bobby said, the other Florida these days, maybe an
• 33:21
  Ohio thing. You're not wrong. We keep clicking the same thing. Okay,
• 33:28
  So this is Beules Beer. It's based out of Bedford, Virginia,
• 33:31
  so down the road, but not really. It is called the Rainbow Connection.
• 33:35
  It's a New England i PA. So that's one of the things that
• 33:38
  I have drinking. And this I p A has like orange pineapple, peach
• 33:44
  guava. It's actually really good. It's probably one of the smoothest i pas
• 33:45
  I've ever had. But then I got these for missus Bruce Crime, and
• 33:52
  I was like, well, let me put these on, because why not.
• 33:54
  We're not sponsored by them Indian giver, Right, that's that's what I
• 34:01
  am. No, this was a oh bottle of wine. No, uh,
• 34:07
  next thing? That was the next thing? All right already, Well
• 34:14
  before I tell you that, you have to try if you can find it.
• 34:17
  The peach Shiner box is really good. Well, I'll have to check
• 34:23
  that out. Yeah. So because we're going to the ranch this weekend,
• 34:28
  I did not want to buy several bottles of wine. So I've been hearing
• 34:32
  about black Box seven Young Blocks, So I bought a box and I'm trying
• 34:37
  it tonight and I have to say, this is damn good. And we're
• 34:44
  not sponsored by them, Yeah, but this is damn good. I was
• 34:49
  worried. I was like, oh boy, it's not gonna be great,
• 34:52
  but I'll try it. No, it's good. What is kat you know
• 35:00
  there? Mrleoa? I had there Merloau in a box and that was it
• 35:04
  was. I thought I thought it was gonna be chalky, because sometimes Marlow
• 35:07
  in a box canna be chalky because it's heavy to begin with. It was
• 35:09
  decent. They did a good job. I thought this. I I really
• 35:15
  thought it was not going to be great. And either I'm getting old and
• 35:20
  my taste putts will just take anything. But I like it and the other
• 35:24
  thing I like double h can't tell how much I'm drinking since it's in a
• 35:29
  box. Heyo, it is always a plus and it's an a black box.
• 35:37
  So I will be drinking this during the solar eclipse. Uh, Captain,
• 35:45
  Yes, I believe so, and they're also, uh, it's made.
• 35:50
  I believe it's at least distributed in Virginia. It's no, I think
• 35:53
  it's it's produced in Nolla's for Virginia. That sounds like a made up name,
• 36:00
  doesn't it. It does? See Where's Where's Where's Nelly'sford? Oh,
• 36:12
  it's just yeah, No, I've been in that general area. It's just
• 36:15
  southwest of Charlottesville cool, right around the road. Yeah. So that's what
• 36:22
  we're drinking. That's what we're drinking. And I will not get as intoxicated
• 36:28
  as I did the last live stream because that's spicy water moo. Not the
• 36:36
  next day it wasn't. I was hurting. Is that the same night that
• 36:45
  went through a bottle? Yes? Oh man, I'm ready for your case
• 36:52
  because I don't know your case. So uh, some folks who are here,
• 37:00
  just because I know their background of remembering everything, will know this case.
• 37:04
  Our theme tonight is husband's under suspicion. But the reality is this is
• 37:12
  just an asshole. So I said, I called it like sas size it.
• 37:21
  Okay, So I'm I'm to begin with there's a quote from the perpetrator's
• 37:30
  family's press release, and so it says, there is no such thing as
• 37:35
  a harmless lie, no matter how small it is. You may think a
• 37:37
  lie only hurts the liar, but this is far from the truth. If
• 37:40
  you are traveling a path of lies, please stop now and face the consequences.
• 37:45
  Whatever those consequences, they will be better than the pain you are causing
• 37:49
  yourself and others. I really like that quote because this comes down to lies.
• 37:58
  So hello, don't go back home. So okay, we're talking about
• 38:05
  a pos is what you're saying, Yes, pos named not like my not
• 38:10
  like my wonderful w h no, no, let me get no. Mark
• 38:17
  Hacking is Mark Hacking is a you'll see. Okay. So there are a
• 38:25
  lot of deadbeat husbands, ex husbands, estranged husbands. We've heard about some
• 38:30
  of husbands on this show, you know, And and I really thought that
• 38:36
  I had heard some of the worst of the worst. But Mark Hacking takes
• 38:37
  the cake, eats it and ships it out too. He's a prick,
• 38:44
  That's right. He did all this. I said. I was in a
• 38:45
  weird mood when I wrote this, So, okay, have like coin.
• 38:49
  Do you have proof of that? I do not, But by the end
• 38:54
  of this I'm sure that was another piece of evidence the police found. Because
• 38:58
  this guy's an idiot. So there's so many reasons. But let's kind of
• 39:04
  take a step back from the moment. Mark Hacking and Lourie k sores Met.
• 39:09
  I'm starting to think it's Suarez, but I'm gonna go with sores Met.
• 39:13
  They were inseparable. Mark was twenty eight, Laurie was one year younger.
• 39:19
  In Lake Pale, Utah, in nineteen ninety four. Their lives were
• 39:22
  changed forever. During their ten years together up until two thousand and four,
• 39:28
  friends and family saw them as a wonderful couple. They had a strong intimate
• 39:32
  relationship, and around the same time they were gearing up for a move,
• 39:36
  Mark was planning on attending medical school at UNC Chapel Hill in North Carolina.
• 39:42
  Now keep that in the forefront, back wherever you want to put it.
• 39:45
  Remember that on July nineteenth, two thousand and four, Laurie went out and
• 39:52
  she did not return. Around ten am, Mark called her office at Wells
• 39:55
  Fargo in Salt Lake City, Utah. She was a trading assistant coworker let
• 40:00
  him know that she never made it into work, which was super unusual.
• 40:04
  She was always punctual, which in short on time to your job, because
• 40:08
  it's a good way for people to tell right away that something happened to you
• 40:13
  or you know, probably because you should be on time to work. But
• 40:19
  I mean, I feel like that's one of the best ways that you can
• 40:22
  prove that somebody's missing is to have a professional setting. Say they were always
• 40:27
  punctual. If they needed to call out, they called out ahead of time.
• 40:30
  This is weird, I agree, Like you and me, they'd be
• 40:37
  like, yeah, know, they're late all the time. I got kids,
• 40:45
  I got kids, I got life, I got hell. You know,
• 40:51
  we're special, super super duper special. So, upon realizing that something
• 40:58
  might be wrong, Glorieu revisor took the phone spoke with Mark. Mark told
• 41:01
  him that Laurie went jogging that morning, but she hadn't returned home. So
• 41:07
  the next logical step called the police. So Mark did just that seven minutes
• 41:12
  later. Now when he called, he let the police know the same thing,
• 41:15
  said that she went jogging the route she did in order or he went
• 41:19
  jogging the route she did in order to look for her. He said he
• 41:22
  found the car at the entrance, but there was no sign of LORII.
• 41:25
  Apparently, they told him they were going to look into it, or they
• 41:29
  gave him the brush off. Why well, he called the police a second
• 41:31
  time around ten forty nine, and he asked again for assistance in finding his
• 41:35
  wife. So my question is, what are we used to law enforcement saying
• 41:39
  about missing people. They have the right to go missing, that's one of
• 41:45
  them. Yeah, Or they have a certain amount of time before they start
• 41:49
  looking, they have to wait twenty four. I feel like that's changed a
• 41:57
  lot. This is two thousand and four, which unfortunately is twenty years ago,
• 42:04
  which hurts my that Wait, wait, what did you just say?
• 42:09
  Give four was twenty years ago? No, it wasn't, honey, it
• 42:13
  was ten years ago. You don't math remember, I do. It's twenty
• 42:19
  twenty four, I said, two thousand and four, followed me, I
• 42:22
  know, but you're killing me. That means I'm okay enough, Yeah,
• 42:32
  I'm enough. Time is an illusion, Captain, You are correct. Time
• 42:40
  is an illusion. Oh yeah, we can we can do that for sure.
• 42:45
  Okay, is monkey button in the building. I don't know if she's
• 42:51
  jumped on yet, but I just got an she will be joining I will.
• 42:54
  She's gonna say hi, okay, okay, cool um okay. So
• 43:02
  Okay, so I'm in love with I'm twenty eight and holding. Someone says
• 43:14
  twenty eight and holding. That's true. It's true. Okay, so he
• 43:21
  called the police. He called the police a second time. You know,
• 43:24
  they basically told him quote they generally responded to missing person's calls after twenty four
• 43:29
  hours, and suggested he call hospitals in the jail. Honest hoestly, no
• 43:34
  matter how I feel about this, dude, that's kind of an FT up
• 43:37
  response. I've never understood why when they tell you the first forty eight hours
• 43:46
  are the most critical, but yet you've got to wait. That's like I've
• 43:51
  never, i wrote here in my life, have understood that truly. I
• 43:58
  mean, they say the first forty eight or and vertibly important. I would
• 44:00
  assume that actually comes from statistics in finding a missing person. So why the
• 44:04
  heck are you removing fifty percent of your time? Like I understand, it's
• 44:08
  not easy to redirect a ton of like personnel, right, you can't just
• 44:12
  pull them all off to this. You can't do that all the time.
• 44:15
  But like, ah, like send somebody out to at least talk to the
• 44:22
  person or investigate the area. I don't understand it's weird. You know,
• 44:30
  some law enforcement in some counties and cities they still follow that role. In
• 44:35
  twenty twenty four, I was just listening to another podcast where if the person's
• 44:40
  over eighteen and there's no evidence of anything. So on this podcast they said,
• 44:47
  be sure to kick a vase when you're pulled out of your house,
• 44:51
  do something because if there's nothing suspicious. Wherever this was, they said they
• 44:57
  had to wait forty eight out worse because the person was thirty. So I
• 45:02
  am going on record here and saying if I am missing, I did not
• 45:07
  do it by choice. It's on record, So you can take this to
• 45:14
  the police and say we have her saying I would not ever put my husband
• 45:21
  or my kids through it. Uh. Monkey Butt just said, hi,
• 45:27
  monkeybut hold on, I got the I got it here. So guys,
• 45:31
  monkey Butt is my granddaughter. She is not aware about the newest member of
• 45:39
  the family. So I decided JT is going to share the photo again so
• 45:46
  that monkey Butt can lose her shit. Literally, I'm just gonna leave this
• 45:52
  here. You know that's what you do, Shaka. But so monkey Butt,
• 45:59
  I love you, but guess what I did without you? Meet your
• 46:07
  new husband, Jasper Jasper friendly his goat, you know, and he will
• 46:15
  pee on the floor just like Casper pete on my shirt tonight right before I
• 46:22
  hopped on. But he was outside for twenty minutes, okat muddy as hell,
• 46:27
  and then he come up here. She just said, yeah you wow,
• 46:35
  yeah, well monkey butt dramatic promise that you can help bottle feed him
• 46:39
  when you come for the month of June, and he can sleep in your
• 46:44
  bed if it makes you feel any better. I will never in the near
• 46:50
  future meet Jasper, So all yours because if I meet Jasper Jasper, Mike,
• 46:57
  you might hear about a funny story of a guy trying to smuggle a
• 46:59
  goat and hands back on the plane. But you know, we do need
• 47:04
  Jasper and Casper to meet. Would that not be amazing? I don't know
• 47:12
  what Casper would do. They praay pee on each other. So but we'll
• 47:19
  get back to ahole now, Yes, let's do that. That's okay,
• 47:28
  CPS. Nobody calls CPS on me for letting my grandchild sleep with the goat.
• 47:34
  Okay, we're not. She's not going to A and M yet,
• 47:37
  so we don't have to worry about her doing anything bad with the goat.
• 47:39
  Deal. Yep, you froze. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay,
• 47:55
  Now back to the guy. I feel like there's worse stuff happening. I
• 48:01
  agree, I agree. All right, let's see here. Okay. So
• 48:09
  the police weren't helping at that point. They eventually got on it that day,
• 48:15
  but Lourie's family, friends, coworkers, and more volunteer to assist Mark
• 48:19
  with a search that included Laurie's friends who had to fly in in order to
• 48:22
  do this. The search was coming up empty handed, as I can only
• 48:27
  guess you imagine by now, because if they found her, I wouldn't be
• 48:29
  talking about this. July twentieth, the day after searching began, Laurie's family
• 48:35
  had a press conference. They asked for any information on her disappearance. Posters
• 48:38
  were hung up in contact numbers were passed out amongst the community. Eventually,
• 48:44
  Lorii's search party had like twelve hundred volunteers, which is crazy. I mean,
• 48:49
  that's that's crazy. So she was like a fantastic person. And I'll
• 48:58
  say this Mark, Mark did not last long on this search. He was
• 49:05
  admitted to the University of Utah psychiatric unit like the day after really for a
• 49:10
  mental breakdown. Yeah, so like when I say mental breakdown, I say
• 49:15
  it tentatively for many reasons. Now, I don't want to judge him in
• 49:17
  what happened in this case, like I don't know if that was on purpose
• 49:23
  or I mean, guilt is insane, like what it does to you.
• 49:28
  I would, But I would also say if Double H went missing. I've
• 49:31
  said this before, like Double H has had surgery recently, as you know,
• 49:37
  and my biggest fear is to lose him. And I have told my
• 49:40
  best friend she would either have to put me in a mental hospital or glue
• 49:45
  me back together and give me a lot of wine. So I agree,
• 49:49
  you can't judge if something like that happens, because it could be guilt or
• 49:53
  it could be like me. I mean I he is my rock. I
• 49:58
  would lose it, right, And I mean like, but I would be
• 50:05
  out there surgeon. Yeah. So like uh in this case, they so
• 50:15
  police found him wandering around a Salt Lake City motel with nothing on but a
• 50:19
  pair of sandals, nothing which nothing nothing on? Okay, No, he's
• 50:35
  you are our thumbnail. Not no not I mean not me. No,
• 50:43
  he's not okay, he's like the se list, mister clean, gotta me
• 51:00
  left like the joker. I am sorry, that would make me left so
• 51:07
  much. I think I let busself just a little not wrong, not wrong.
• 51:14
  Okay, So they found him wondering, which I mean kind of sounds
• 51:17
  like my Friday nights. But just that's just between you and me, nobody
• 51:22
  else, just just us. Just wait until Colorado. I just wait until
• 51:28
  Denver us in a hotel, us a hotel, Mike yea in four twenty.
• 51:38
  It's gonna be funny, fun all right. So what happened in the
• 51:45
  opening of this case so much so emphasis emphasists on the wrong salable. So
• 51:52
  much happened in the opening of this case, and it seemed like, no
• 51:55
  matter how hard they tried to believe it, Mark was not the person he
• 52:00
  said he was. And this wasn't like quote, I'm gonna go to the
• 52:04
  library or something, and it said he goes to a Starbucks or it's not
• 52:07
  even I'm going to go to a church, small group, Bible study,
• 52:10
  but then goes to a strip club, like it's not like this. I
• 52:13
  consider this far worse. So he told Laurie and her family that he graduated
• 52:19
  with honors in psychology from a university from the University of Utah, and then
• 52:22
  he told them he was accepted into the medical school at University of North Carolina
• 52:27
  at Chapel Hill. Dude, Shanka, I don't I don't know what the
• 52:31
  heck's going on. I wish I could get fiber internet. They'll never bring
• 52:35
  it to this neighborhood. I'm almost certain of it. I'll make myself smart.
• 52:38
  Oh my god, maybe it'll make it a little bit. I thought
• 52:43
  to just saying you needed more fiber. I was sitting here, going,
• 52:51
  why does she think he needs more fiber? What do they know that?
• 52:53
  I don't know. We shared a lot on night court. Okay, I
• 53:07
  get it now. So he does need faster internet. Yes, so this
• 53:19
  is so, this is what drove their move to Chapel Hill. Now Mark's
• 53:23
  father, Doug Hacking or doctor Doug because he's a pediatrician, found out what
• 53:29
  Laurie's parents had no idea idea about. Around July twenty second. He told
• 53:34
  reporters that his son never received his bachelor's degree and he'd never been accepted to
• 53:37
  medical school. The entire thing, entire thing was a lie. Apparently he
• 53:45
  felt pressure to accept academically, so you know, he lied about it rather
• 53:50
  than doing the actual work, which is a great testament to his character.
• 53:57
  He is a man. Yes, sponsored by Meta Musil, I prefer benough
• 54:07
  Fiber. I mean he does have liabetes, correct. All I'm saying is
• 54:14
  that if Meda Musil wants to sponsor us, they're more than welcome to.
• 54:15
  I will do all kinds of things. I I listen, it'll be for
• 54:21
  more than thirty five cents in that case. But that's because this is a
• 54:24
  team effort and it's not just me. Okay, So the entire thing was
• 54:32
  a lie. I've never known somebody as dedicated to a lie that they would
• 54:38
  move across the country to nothing. That's pretty dedicated. I mean that's pretty
• 54:46
  that's that's bold, right, Yes, it's super bold. I don't know
• 54:55
  what are you gonna do after you get there, like just disappear for the
• 54:58
  day in SAMON classes or something. I don't know. I mean he does
• 55:04
  get credit for going the extra mile, right, Yeah, literally extra like
• 55:12
  two thousand or whatever. It is. So Lourie's family, upon hearing his
• 55:19
  father announced that, learned it for the first time. But they were still
• 55:22
  looking for LORI. This isn't going to stop them from doing that. One
• 55:24
  thing's for sure. After the dad's press conference, a lot of people thought,
• 55:29
  if Mark is capable of lying about this kind of stuff, I mean,
• 55:32
  it's not a far stretch. But you know, other people said,
• 55:37
  just because he lied about this, doesn't mean he was necessarily involved in,
• 55:42
  you know, the disappearance at the time. True. So what's important,
• 55:47
  though, I think, is that the police thought Mark was a person of
• 55:50
  interest from the beginning, and as evidence was found, he was moved up
• 55:55
  to the primary suspect. Now, the investigation didn't take very long for various
• 55:59
  reasons. But you know, the the day that Lourie disappeared, once the
• 56:05
  police hopped on this, they searched her apartment. Now you know they're gonna
• 56:08
  check that off the list, Except they found some stuff in there and elsewhere
• 56:13
  that had them convinced that this was not a missing person's case but a homicide.
• 56:19
  So let me tell you what they found in the apartment. Here's what
• 56:23
  they collected. The couple's box spring, a receipt for a new mattress and
• 56:28
  bedding. A bloody knife found in the bedside drawer in their bedroom. Now,
• 56:31
  far be it from me to kink shame you do you booboo, but
• 56:37
  probably not great to leave leave it in the bedside table. Well, where
• 56:44
  else are you supposed to leave it? He took everything else out. I
• 56:50
  don't know what the issue is. So so they found that they found pieces
• 56:52
  of carpet clothing, a letter found in a spare bedroom, allegedly at the
• 56:55
  time written by Lori. They also found things in surrounding life locations to the
• 57:00
  apartment as well, and these are important because it all kind of connects.
• 57:02
  They found they took the trash bean outside of their apartment, a cut up
• 57:09
  mattress that matched the box spring found in the house. This was in a
• 57:13
  trash been near the University of Utah hospital where Mark was an orderly. They
• 57:19
  also found a clump of dark hair found in the dumpster where near the hospital.
• 57:23
  They had material taken from vehicles owned by Mark and Laurie. And they
• 57:28
  also found surveillance videotapes from the hospital, a Mormon church near the park where
• 57:31
  Laurie quote disappeared in a convenience store. So they found all this stuff pretty
• 57:40
  quickly. Did you just say he was working as an orderly, Yeah,
• 57:47
  yeah, and nobody found that suspicious. Don't be suspicious, don't be suspicious.
• 57:54
  He and by the way, some would like clarification of what was found
• 58:00
  in the bedside table. In the bedside table was a bloody knife. Oh
• 58:12
  not a toy? No no, no, no, no, no,
• 58:14
  no no no. Well, when you said no kink, shame, I
• 58:16
  was thinking a toy and I was like, well, why wouldn't you have
• 58:20
  it in the night stand? Was supposed to keep it? Okay, I
• 58:25
  guess they could, but that it needs to be run through the dishwasher and
• 58:30
  not kept in the night stand. I agree with it, shunka. There
• 58:36
  was no Walmart footage that I am aware of. I know that convenience store
• 58:38
  there is for sure. So Mark wasn't exactly as clever as he thought he
• 58:44
  was when he was realizing that his life was falling apart. This is this
• 58:49
  is how this ended up. Police found out that when Mark said he was
• 58:52
  looking for Lori in the park between ninety five and ten twenty three, he
• 58:55
  was actually buying a new queen size mattress at the local store. They found
• 59:00
  that on the receipt, so he wasn't looking for Lori. He was buying
• 59:04
  another mattress. When they found Laurie's car, they discovered that the front seat
• 59:09
  was adjusted to fit a taller person. There's that, and that's not the
• 59:20
  dumbest thing in the world. They also found this is the dumbest thing in
• 59:23
  the world. They were when they were looking through and searching the apartment,
• 59:28
  they found Laurie's car keys in the apartment. So if she drove to the
• 59:32
  park to run, but her keys were in the apartment, how does it
• 59:40
  work. Yeah, that's my thing, right, So it's pretty obvious Mark
• 59:45
  was involved in this at that point, just saying no, he didn't even
• 59:51
  do that. There was not even anything and you'll you'll find out soon.
• 59:57
  So despite the time, despite Laurie's family remained positive even if she was dead,
• 1:00:06
  they wanted to be sure to find the body so that she and her
• 1:00:10
  possible unborn child could receive a proper burial. That's right. I added a
• 1:00:15
  whole other layer to this, which sucks really, so I'll explain that in
• 1:00:22
  a second. Sorry. So, Laurie told some of her coworkers and friends
• 1:00:27
  that she was around five weeks pregnant. There's no reason to think that she
• 1:00:30
  was lying about that. There's no reason to think Glori lies. If it
• 1:00:34
  was Mark, i'd have a question, but it is it is important to
• 1:00:39
  say a let like I said, I'm more like the human side. If
• 1:00:47
  she said that, I believe her. But in terms of in terms of
• 1:00:54
  evidence. But by the time they found Laurie, there was no way to
• 1:00:58
  prove that one way or another, and because of that they had to drop
• 1:01:01
  one of the charges. What what what what do you mean? There was
• 1:01:07
  no way to prove that. She was not found for quite some time and
• 1:01:15
  I'll explain where she was found, so Jesus, Yeah, no, it
• 1:01:22
  wasn't anything like he did something to her so that they couldn't find that.
• 1:01:27
  That was an okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, uh so
• 1:01:36
  I said, things move fast. Less than a week after her disappearance,
• 1:01:38
  the police had enough evidence that pointed to Mark. They felt comfortable in believing
• 1:01:42
  that Mark murdered Laurie in their apartment early on July twentieth and disposed of her
• 1:01:45
  body in a location at that point unknown to them. Now. As as
• 1:01:51
  mentioned before, Mark went to the psychiatric ward, and on July twenty fourth,
• 1:01:54
  Mark's two brothers, named Lance and Scott I could not think of more
• 1:02:00
  like privileged family names, went to the ward. They went. They went
• 1:02:08
  to visit Mark with the intention of pleading for him to tell them what happened
• 1:02:13
  to Laurie, because at this point the evidence is all turned in that that
• 1:02:17
  spotlight. Honestly, Mark is the reason why most men are well, No
• 1:02:25
  stats are the reason, but Mark is one of the add ons of why
• 1:02:29
  people always look at the husbands because so like Stephor Blaine. Yes Blaine.
• 1:02:44
  So they basically kind of pulled the detective. Uh. They they visited him,
• 1:02:50
  then they decided they said, we're gonna give you it. We're gonna
• 1:02:52
  give you the rest of the day. Hey stew on it. And then
• 1:02:55
  they came back, these two brothers. When they returned, Mark admitted that
• 1:03:01
  he had murdered Laurie. So what has what happened per what the police found
• 1:03:10
  out and then also what Mark attested to what happened in the days leading up
• 1:03:15
  to In the day of Laurie's death. So, while Laurie was at work
• 1:03:20
  on Friday, July sixteenth, she wanted to get information concerning financial aid at
• 1:03:24
  UNC where Mark was accepted for medical school. I'm guessing she asked him to
• 1:03:30
  do it and he didn't, so she just decided to call. It's not
• 1:03:37
  unlike something that Carrie would ask me to do, and then I didn't,
• 1:03:39
  and then she ended up doing it. Although my host lies unraveled right,
• 1:03:47
  So un C said they didn't have a record of Mark hacking being newly enrolled.
• 1:03:53
  Laurie was appropriately upset about this, and she was at work started crying.
• 1:04:00
  Her coworkers sounded wonderful because they basically convinced her to leave work early,
• 1:04:08
  so she did, and she used that time to confront Mark. At five
• 1:04:13
  pm the same day, Laurie called UNC again and left a voicemail but which
• 1:04:17
  which suggested that Mark tried to talk his way out of this this discovery.
• 1:04:23
  And he said, well, I mean, yes, my name might not
• 1:04:25
  be there because there was a computer malfunction. The only malfunction is you good,
• 1:04:30
  sir? In that one? Horrible? Right? Yeah, this is
• 1:04:36
  this. I'm about to crack this bullderrock for that and I'll regret it later.
• 1:04:45
  I'm sure. Oh that's not bad. That's actually really good? Is
• 1:04:51
  it at least children? Yes? Yes, it is real vodka with crape.
• 1:04:59
  That's interesting, fascinating. So I have to ask, was he just
• 1:05:03
  trying to buy a little bit more time or did he really think he was
• 1:05:08
  going to get away with that second lie because the first one didn't work at
• 1:05:13
  that point. At that point, I think he was very sure that that
• 1:05:18
  was going to work, that was going to stop her from looking into it.
• 1:05:23
  And I'll tell you, I think he thought that worked all the way
• 1:05:28
  up until the last second. And so as I explain this, I'll kind
• 1:05:36
  of point out what I'm talking about. So Laurie. Here's the weird thing
• 1:05:44
  is that Laurie made that call to ask specifically about the computer malfunction. Later,
• 1:05:48
  the two of them that night went to a party at her supervisor's mountain
• 1:05:54
  cabin, and it was said that they got along really well then that evening.
• 1:06:03
  The thing is, I mean, I'm just gonna say, I can
• 1:06:12
  remember being married to a POS and everybody thought things were hunky dory, because,
• 1:06:20
  let me tell you, women, we know how to fake it until
• 1:06:25
  we're ready to get the heck out of dodge. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:30
  And I think that this is the case because like we, let's be
• 1:06:35
  honest, we always see the rose and we never see the thorns. Right,
• 1:06:40
  we think everybody's life that's depicted online or whatever is perfect, even in
• 1:06:45
  person, it's perfect. I mean, like, how many times have you
• 1:06:47
  had a small tiff, but then you go out and it's just like,
• 1:06:50
  we're gonna put this to the side, right, I mean even double chess
• 1:06:56
  thorns. Yeah, when he's doing gardening, yes, no, But I
• 1:07:02
  mean he's not perfect. I had somebody tell me recently, God, do
• 1:07:06
  you have the most perfect husband. I was like, Oh, let's have
• 1:07:09
  a chatt He's not perfect. He just puts up with me. I'm an
• 1:07:14
  I'm a d a mess for sure. Uh so again it could be a
• 1:07:20
  ruse. Two days later after that, Mark finally admitted that he lied about
• 1:07:28
  his education in future plans. And I don't know whether he was waiting for
• 1:07:31
  a pat on the back or it'll be okay, or we'll figure this out.
• 1:07:36
  But obviously an argument happened, because du obviously right. So here's here's
• 1:07:49
  where I get confused as to you know, what did he really think?
• 1:07:57
  For how long he did? Because Laurie decided she was going to bed,
• 1:08:00
  like they had had an argument, she was headed to bed. Mark stayed
• 1:08:05
  playing Nintendo because that's just how that works. Now. I don't know if
• 1:08:10
  it was an actual Nintendo or just somebody's use of Nintendo as in meaning any
• 1:08:14
  game system, right, but he played Nintendo, but he continued packing,
• 1:08:19
  moving boxes. I don't know why. That's what can see. That's what
• 1:08:27
  confused. That's right. Why why did he There's so there's two things,
• 1:08:33
  right, there's two There's two reasons. One, he's just completely out of
• 1:08:38
  it thinking that it was still good, the move was still going to happen.
• 1:08:41
  Or two that's what he said in his confession or his a you know,
• 1:08:45
  admittance of what he did. But that was his way of getting to
• 1:08:51
  how he had the twenty two caliber rifle, because what he said was he
• 1:08:57
  was packing and during packing he came across a twenty two caliber rifle accidentally.
• 1:09:06
  So so that's what I'm saying, is like, I don't I think it
• 1:09:10
  was his method to get to how he had the gun. So I don't
• 1:09:15
  think that it was I don't. I don't think he was actually packing.
• 1:09:19
  I think it's just his way of saying I was. I think his back
• 1:09:21
  was against the wall and he was grasping for straws one hundred percent. And
• 1:09:31
  so at one o'clock he went into the bedroom and while Laurie was sleeping,
• 1:09:40
  he shot her in the head. As one is wont to do apparently,
• 1:09:45
  so he's a coward as well, Yes, one hundred percent a coward.
• 1:09:51
  Uh So, Mark continued as to what happened afterwards. Because he loved his
• 1:09:57
  wife so much, he wrapped her up in garbage bags along with the bloody
• 1:10:00
  top of the mattress, which he cut away. He cut away the top
• 1:10:03
  of the mattress with a knife. Then he put her body in a dumpster
• 1:10:06
  at two o'clock in the morning. He then got rid of the mattress in
• 1:10:11
  the church trash bin. Because you know, that's not obvious at all.
• 1:10:15
  How often do you find a mattress at a church, I don't know,
• 1:10:21
  because they don't give nobody nothing usually, so you know, having anything out
• 1:10:26
  there random. The sorry, the gun he put in another unidentified dumpster.
• 1:10:35
  They never found that gun, but it kind of didn't matter much, and
• 1:10:44
  we'll explain why in a second. So the next day, the brothers went
• 1:10:46
  to the police, told them about Mark's confession, and he was arrested.
• 1:10:48
  In August second, two thousand and four, he was moved from the psychiatric
• 1:10:53
  clic to say Salt Lake County Jail, where he was charged with first degree
• 1:10:59
  murder and three counts of obstructing justice. He was. That was a week
• 1:11:03
  later after he moved there. The confession pushed another two week long search for
• 1:11:11
  Lori at the Salt Lake County landfill because of where he said he dumbed her
• 1:11:17
  body. So the search was supposed to last a month, but it would
• 1:11:21
  end up going much longer. And here's why. Because they had thousands They
• 1:11:29
  had a ton of garbage, thousands of tons of garbage compacted over thirty to
• 1:11:33
  forty feet deep and two soccer fields in length to go through. Dang,
• 1:11:40
  that's a lot of trash, right, And they had, you know,
• 1:11:45
  regularly thirty eight volunteers because you can't really have you can't have regular people going
• 1:11:48
  through this stuff, right, you can't just have volunteers. So they had
• 1:11:53
  thirty eight people, including police officers, firefighters, public safety officials, and
• 1:11:58
  the urban Search and Rescue team that look for human remains at the World Trade
• 1:12:00
  Center, all going through this. And they went eleven hours a day for
• 1:12:08
  four days a week, up and up and wow. But I mean,
• 1:12:14
  ask somebody who's done some training, since I'm part of the thirt team and
• 1:12:19
  we've done some light training. Answer, I mean, eleven hours is a
• 1:12:24
  lot, Yeah, yes, that's funny. That made me chuckle. I
• 1:12:32
  won't say it, but it was funny. That makes me laugh. Okay,
• 1:12:36
  So so again you know they they were they were in all kinds of
• 1:12:43
  protective gear too. They're so they're in protective gear. This was around uh
• 1:12:49
  July hot, yeah, July, August, September, around August second was
• 1:12:57
  when he was arrested. So somewhere in there to September. They were looking
• 1:13:02
  and yes, hot, right, and they're sitting there in steel plated boots,
• 1:13:06
  overalls, leather gloves, masks I wear I mean hot and you're talking.
• 1:13:12
  You're talking to this is like a landfill, so there's no shade around.
• 1:13:16
  It's literally you sun, you trash the bar, the birds. Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  No, So even without Laurie's body being found, the chief, the
• 1:13:31
  police chief thought that they had a really good case. He said, we
• 1:13:34
  are hopeful we can find the body, but we believe the case is strong
• 1:13:38
  enough that we could prosecute without it. And primarily because the brothers are going
• 1:13:42
  to be good witnesses because they have nothing to gain out of I mean their
• 1:13:47
  their brothers going to jail, right, So there's nothing they never found her.
• 1:13:55
  Well, hold on, no, no, so we'll get there,
• 1:14:00
  okay. Investigators. So as evidence kind of piled up, investigators were able
• 1:14:05
  to match Lori's blood to that that was found in Laurie's car, on the
• 1:14:11
  couple's bed rail, headboard, mattress, and the blood found in the bedroom
• 1:14:14
  carpet, and the knife found in the sheath, the knife found on the
• 1:14:20
  side table in the side table, and then there was another knife that they
• 1:14:26
  found stuff on which was that knife was believed to cut up the mattress.
• 1:14:30
  They also discovered a letter written by Laurie, like I mentioned days before her
• 1:14:34
  death. It's said, quote, I hate coming home from work because it
• 1:14:38
  hurts to be home in our apartment. I can't imagine life with you if
• 1:14:41
  things don't change. And the letter also said I I've got someone I don't
• 1:14:49
  want to spend the rest of my life with unless changes are made, which
• 1:14:55
  he apparently probably saw the letter, knew that his lie was discovered, things
• 1:14:59
  were falling apart. He didn't know what. I think he freaked. I
• 1:15:03
  think he freaked, And I'm not saying that was the right thing to do,
• 1:15:06
  obviously it was not. But I just have to stop what kind of
• 1:15:12
  person she was to want to give him the opportunity to change, because I
• 1:15:18
  have to tell you I would have been peace out. There would have been
• 1:15:24
  no opportunity for change. Call me a quitter. I would have pieced out
• 1:15:28
  and well so eating a lot of ice cream. I agree with you wholeheartedly,
• 1:15:35
  But we do. I guess I have. I haven't brought this into
• 1:15:39
  it just because it didn't really play a primary piece. But I mean,
• 1:15:42
  they were Mormon, they were Latter day Saints, so divorce in that faith
• 1:15:47
  is very difficult. We've seen that whole thing with Lori Valo and Jodiarius and
• 1:15:57
  all this other stuff. I mean, it's just like tough gas math,
• 1:16:02
  gas math exactly. So they on top of that were compiling video evidence of
• 1:16:10
  Mark as well. There was a video of him entering a county store.
• 1:16:15
  He bought cigarettes, he checked hiss and fingers, and then he drove away
• 1:16:19
  in his wife's car eighteen minutes after the time police Lauri believe Louri died,
• 1:16:24
  which means Laurie was probably in her own vehicle. Yeah, And so they
• 1:16:33
  also had video evidence that possibly included images of him disposing of Laurie's body in
• 1:16:40
  a dumpster and driving her car to the park. Anyways, the prosecution decided
• 1:16:46
  to file first agree murder charges against him, which was I flip and hate
• 1:16:53
  Utah so much because they don't give you the specific They don't give you the
• 1:16:58
  specific sentence. They give you a range, and then they leave it up
• 1:17:03
  to the parole board to determine how far how long you're gonna write. So
• 1:17:10
  what they were hoping for was five years to life in prison. But that's
• 1:17:16
  some big range, right right. Uh, Laurie's body was absent. Still
• 1:17:25
  they didn't they didn't have it, so around hold on, I'm looking here.
• 1:17:32
  What did I say? All I know is if you say he only
• 1:17:38
  got five years, We're gonna want to mute my microphone because I'm gonna have
• 1:17:42
  a litany of stuff come out. So there was a we'll get to Lourie
• 1:17:48
  so that before she was found. On our August fourteenth, there's a memorial
• 1:17:55
  service for her. More than six hundred people showed up, which is razy.
• 1:18:00
  That is the Laurie's family allowed Mark's family to attend the service. His
• 1:18:08
  father, Doug Hacking, actually gave the opening prayer, which I just like,
• 1:18:15
  I mean, I get it. They weren't responsible for they weren't they
• 1:18:18
  weren't responsible and his brothers turned him in. So I mean I have goose
• 1:18:29
  bumps. Yeah. So, in remembrance of Laurie, her mother set up
• 1:18:35
  a scholarship funded her name. The fund grew in about a month from twelve
• 1:18:42
  thousand and eighty one thousand, fifty thousand was donated by Oprah because she did
• 1:18:46
  an interview with her mother then the So, so, just to tell you,
• 1:18:54
  which is good news. The scholarship's awarded to a woman who has been
• 1:18:58
  disadvantaged by financial hardship, abuse, family difficulties, or other life circumstances,
• 1:19:01
  who attend the University of Utah's School of Business and is in need of assistance.
• 1:19:06
  So that's really good. So good for them, that's really good.
• 1:19:12
  On October first, two thousand and four, a little more than two months
• 1:19:15
  since Laurie was reported missing, she was finally found at the Salt Lake County
• 1:19:19
  landfill. Yeah. So, police Sergeant J. R. Nelson said that,
• 1:19:29
  well, he was the one that made the discovery. He was sifting
• 1:19:32
  through garbage by hand, and he said, quote, I pulled this group
• 1:19:35
  of trash out of a bag, and hair came out of the bag.
• 1:19:41
  And he also saw that the bag contained, you know, a human jawbone
• 1:19:45
  and teeth, so it was included. It was enclosed and treated as a
• 1:19:51
  crime scene. Obviously, they worked for hours gathering her remains and other evidence,
• 1:19:59
  but it didn't take long for them to identify those remains is as Laurie.
• 1:20:04
  Obviously, both families were were happy and sad, right obviously, I
• 1:20:10
  mean, yeah, that's a sad thing, intensely so. But they said
• 1:20:16
  that they were relieved that she was finally going to be able to be laid
• 1:20:23
  laid to rest. Apparently Mark also expressed relief that Laurie had been found.
• 1:20:30
  I don't care, Mark, what why did he he knew he was going
• 1:20:35
  to He knew he was going to jail, like he knew, Why did
• 1:20:38
  he care? Why did he even open his mouth? I don't know,
• 1:20:42
  because for the same reason why he opened his mouth when he was so after
• 1:20:46
  Oprah made that donation right to the scholarship, he announced from his prison cell
• 1:20:54
  that he was going to write a book about everything and the proceeds would go
• 1:20:57
  to that scholarship. But is I really hope in prison a lot of things
• 1:21:06
  are getting put in his mouth? Sorry, yeah, I agree with you,
• 1:21:17
  he does. So they worked let's see. Okay, So because of
• 1:21:30
  the status of the body, right two months, a lot happens in two
• 1:21:34
  months, specially in a landfill. Medical examiners were unable to determine whether she
• 1:21:41
  was pregnant, and they were also the rifle. But because they found the
• 1:21:50
  body, there's a crime. They can prove that she was murdered. Without
• 1:21:55
  a body that it's hard to do so, but they probably they had enough.
• 1:22:00
  And so again he was charged with first degree murder secondary felony accounts because
• 1:22:10
  he lied to investigators, tried to dispose of evidence, which is the obstruction
• 1:22:15
  of justice. And on April fifteenth, I've never this is the fastest this
• 1:22:23
  entire investigation to trial, maybe because of the plea went really fast because April
• 1:22:28
  fifteenth, two and five. Yeah, he stood before Denise Lindberg. He
• 1:22:32
  said publicly that he shot his pregnant wife, Laurie Hacking, in the head
• 1:22:36
  with a twenty two rifle as she lay sleeping on the morning of July nineteenth,
• 1:22:40
  two thousand and four. I hate him. The whole hearing lasted ten
• 1:22:46
  minutes. He showed no visible signs of emotion and his sentence. Did he
• 1:22:55
  get anything for killing his unborn child. No, because they couldn't prove that
• 1:23:00
  she was. But he admitted it. He said, I killed my wife,
• 1:23:04
  right, pregnant wife. Yeah, okay, one second here, I
• 1:23:16
  I had it. I don't like it. I don't either. I hate
• 1:23:23
  it. See here, okay, okay. So April fifteenth, he pled
• 1:23:29
  guilty. June's well, here's the funny thing. He pled guilty to first
• 1:23:33
  agree murder in exchange for them dropping the other charges, as if that was
• 1:23:38
  going to make a flipping difference. On June sixth, same year, he
• 1:23:45
  was sentenced to six years to life in prison, the maximum possible sentence under
• 1:23:49
  Utah law at the time. At the time uh in Utah prison sentences,
• 1:23:55
  as I mentioned before, indeterminate. The person who sentenced has to serve the
• 1:24:00
  entire one unless the Board of Pardons releases him sooner. The Board of Pardons
• 1:24:04
  has way too much power. Yeah, they do, I mean, and
• 1:24:11
  and like the only reason, where's the checks and balance system? There are
• 1:24:17
  none? Right, there are none. There literally are none, because they
• 1:24:20
  are like a mini supreme court. And like to me, I feel like
• 1:24:28
  somebody at some point said, if I can get this person on this board
• 1:24:30
  of pardons, I can do do a lot of crap and get away with
• 1:24:33
  it because they can just pardon me and push me out. So all I
• 1:24:38
  can imagine is that it's a lot like the handover school board here and in
• 1:24:41
  my state, where it's just kind of like we're just gonna put people on
• 1:24:45
  the board. They don't get elected, but we just kinda pop them up
• 1:24:47
  there. So I don't like it. Is it gonna be where they say,
• 1:24:53
  oh, but he was good in prison, he changed, he did
• 1:24:57
  this, and he was a good prisoner, So we're going to pardon.
• 1:25:00
  Are they not going to take into account that, of course he was good?
• 1:25:03
  There was no wife there to kill. Yeah, So like, uh,
• 1:25:12
  you need to do better. You need to figure shit out, dude.
• 1:25:16
  Uh for sure. And I can only tell you that it's got to
• 1:25:19
  be some form of a theocracy because there. I can't think of another state
• 1:25:23
  that's like that. Can you think of another state that that can't? Not
• 1:25:27
  that I've run across. Yeah, So like and and and Angie wrote here
• 1:25:32
  six to life what an odd range? Correct? It is an odd range.
• 1:25:36
  And here's the funny part. Normally, if you're convicted of first degree
• 1:25:40
  murder, you're required to serve a minimum of five years before being considered for
• 1:25:44
  parole, but because Hacking killed Laurie with a firearm, it was increased by
• 1:25:48
  one year into that. I say, ladda a whole year, a whole
• 1:25:57
  year Sophie was stabbed her that it has got five. Yeah. See here's
• 1:26:03
  the next thing that really pisses me off. July of five, right,
• 1:26:09
  what was it? The almost the same time that he was sentenced, they
• 1:26:15
  declared the Board of Pardons declared that Mark would not be considered per parole until
• 1:26:19
  at least twenty thirty five, which means that he's going to have to serve
• 1:26:26
  a minimum of thirty years in prison. Oh who flip and who hey,
• 1:26:32
  it's better than five or six. Just because he can be considered doesn't mean
• 1:26:40
  that it'll be approved, right, correct, absolutely, So there's a lot
• 1:26:45
  of time for him to get his mouth stuffed. Oh yeah, oh for
• 1:26:51
  sure. I mean he's been in since five so yeah. Now, the
• 1:26:58
  important part about this is is the victim's family, and Laurie's mother said,
• 1:27:02
  quote, while it is a terrible waste of his life, the decision lifts
• 1:27:06
  a great burden from my mind and heart. The six year minimum imposed by
• 1:27:10
  law as an insult not only to Laurie and the baby, but to me
• 1:27:14
  and my family as well. I thank the members of the State Board of
• 1:27:17
  Pardons and Parole for their diligence and sense of justice and dealing with this tragic
• 1:27:21
  case. There's a couple of good there are good things that happened, And
• 1:27:30
  although this is a is just tough, I always like in the end when
• 1:27:35
  somebody learns something and works things out right, tries to figure some stuff out.
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  So I was super happy to know that Laurie's family had the name Hacking
• 1:27:48
  removed from her headstone, and they said that we felt that Mark obviously didn't
• 1:27:55
  want her anymore. So her name was replaced with the Portuguese word phil hint
• 1:28:00
  philheena, I think, which translates to little daughter. So good on them,
• 1:28:09
  So I think that yeah, yeah, so the inities like it did
• 1:28:16
  for everybody here who's listening and and myself, and it caused caused a huge,
• 1:28:24
  massive issue. Many were super pissed off and alarmed the Hacking could be
• 1:28:30
  released after just six years. Now, a great majority of convicted murderers serve
• 1:28:39
  far more than the five year minimum. It's unheard of for a convicted murder
• 1:28:44
  to serve less than fifteen years. Some are denied, right, why do
• 1:28:49
  it? Why why put the family through that? Exactly why? The several
• 1:28:57
  are right, And and they're forced to wait twenty two years for another hearing,
• 1:29:02
  which means the family's waiting another twenty two years to figure out if this
• 1:29:05
  knucklehead gets out of prison. So no, God, God, that's just
• 1:29:12
  retraumatizing the family, in my opinion, unnecessarily. Admittedly, what came out
• 1:29:19
  of this is not a great solution, but it is a good one.
• 1:29:23
  So on March twentieth, two thousand and six, Utah House Bill one oh
• 1:29:27
  two, also known as Lori's Law, was signed into law, and it
• 1:29:30
  stipulates that people convicted of first degree murder in Utah must serve at least fifteen
• 1:29:34
  years before they can even be considered for parole, So not five, not
• 1:29:39
  six, fifteen. So that's great, but that's not enough. But it's
• 1:29:45
  it's not nearly like if you guys take the life, you serve life.
• 1:29:49
  I'm like, I'm just gonna say, I expect everybody, whether you hate
• 1:29:55
  me, love me, like me, or whatever. If somebody murders me
• 1:29:59
  and they only get fifteen years. That found enough, because let me tell
• 1:30:03
  you, my life is worth more than that to my grandkids, my husband,
• 1:30:09
  and my kids. Fifteen years is not justice. You take a life,
• 1:30:15
  you serve a life, unless they're are mitigating such circumstances like you're a
• 1:30:20
  battered woman and you know you serve thirty or forty five. But I don't
• 1:30:29
  know any murderer that only deserves fifteen years for taking the life I know because
• 1:30:36
  of how insanely heinous this was, Like, he's not going to get out,
• 1:30:42
  But there's an issue. There's an issue with the fact that in eleven
• 1:30:46
  years he's getting out for two reasons. Could get out for two reasons.
• 1:30:49
  One he could get out, but two his Lori's family literally has a countdown
• 1:30:56
  day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute. Now doing that
• 1:31:00
  in twenty thirty five, he is going to go up in front of a
• 1:31:03
  parole board and maybe even if there is the smidgeon point zero zero one percent
• 1:31:11
  of a chance, they are going to be tortured until that decision happens.
• 1:31:15
  They're re traumatized. How old will he be at that point? Uh,
• 1:31:21
  I need to get my calculatory. I got my calculator. I had it
• 1:31:25
  on my desk in case we had to do math. He'll be in his
• 1:31:28
  late fifties, early sixties, I think, so he could still live another
• 1:31:32
  thirty or forty years, get another wife, have a life. He can
• 1:31:36
  even father a child and like not totally understand that festival. No. I
• 1:31:43
  know his family like wants him to figure his crap out. I get it.
• 1:31:49
  No, you do the time, you do, the crime, you
• 1:31:53
  pay the No. That's my thing is that if he gets out in twenty
• 1:31:58
  thirty five, his family has dad being a pediatrician, them being kind of
• 1:32:00
  high ranking in the LDS community, they will take care of him. So
• 1:32:09
  he's gonna not go back to something well, maybe not, maybe his family.
• 1:32:17
  I forget what the term is in the LDS, but I have a
• 1:32:21
  couple of Mormon friends. There is a terminology where they oster size. If
• 1:32:30
  a child or if a family member does something, there is something in that
• 1:32:34
  religion that you can cut them off and you're not looked upon by the elders
• 1:32:42
  to still take care unless they think he's repented. I don't like that.
• 1:32:54
  I'm just gonna say that's not enough. I don't either. I don't so,
• 1:33:02
  uh, you know, when when Mark was was sentenced his his father
• 1:33:11
  read a statement from his family and said that it ended. The statement ended,
• 1:33:17
  and he quoted Mark and and Mark apparently at some point said quote,
• 1:33:24
  I'm guessing he sent this in a letter. I'll say this at the end,
• 1:33:30
  I wrote, fucking really as a note. Yeah, I know prison
• 1:33:36
  is where I need to be. I will spend my time. This is
• 1:33:39
  called a look what I wrote years ago, parole board. I know prison
• 1:33:45
  is where I need to be. I will spend my time there doing all
• 1:33:46
  I can to write the many wrongs I have done. Though I realized complete
• 1:33:51
  atonement is impossible in this life. I have a lot of healing and changing
• 1:33:56
  to do, but I hope that someday I can become the man Laurie always
• 1:33:58
  thought I was. Get her name out of your mouth. To the many
• 1:34:01
  people I have hurt, I am more sorry than you could ever know.
• 1:34:05
  Every day my soul burns and torment. When I think about I think it's
• 1:34:09
  not his soul that's burning. When I think of what you must be going
• 1:34:14
  through, I wish I could take away your pain. I wish I could
• 1:34:16
  take back all the lies I've told and replace them with the truth. I
• 1:34:19
  wish I could find. Yeah, oh yeah, I wish. It's like
• 1:34:26
  gaslighting, but with farts to light. The light could put Laurie back into
• 1:34:31
  your arms. My pain is deserved, yours is not. I do like
• 1:34:34
  that line. I appreciate that line. I appreciate even if it's from him.
• 1:34:39
  My pain is deserved, yours is not. From the bottom of my
• 1:34:42
  heart, I beg for your forgiveness. There is no such thing as a
• 1:34:45
  harmless lie, no matter how small it is. You may think a lie.
• 1:34:48
  I read this early at the beginning. You may think a lie only
• 1:34:50
  hurts the liar, but this is far from the truth. If you are
• 1:34:54
  traveling a path of lies, stop now. Face the consequences, whatever they
• 1:34:58
  are, they will be better than the pain you are causing yourself in others.
• 1:35:01
  Now, he wrote this cool, and here's why I don't give a
• 1:35:11
  shit because a year later to the month, prison officials in Utah discovered that
• 1:35:16
  he was selling personal items including autographs, hand tracings, various prison forms,
• 1:35:20
  magazines on an online site called murder Auction. Did he donate that money to
• 1:35:30
  Did he donate the money he made from those items to the foundation and the
• 1:35:35
  scholarships? So basically he told he wrote in that letter what he thought the
• 1:35:47
  courts wanted to hear. Correct, and I did. Look, murder auction
• 1:35:57
  is still alive. It is. It is like I'm staring at Riker Ramirez's
• 1:36:01
  San Quentin death row prison polaroid. It is. I mean, I'm glad
• 1:36:13
  he realizes that he should hurt. But I'm sorry. You can't undo what
• 1:36:21
  you did with words. There are some things, and if he was truly
• 1:36:27
  sorry, he would keep his goddamn mouth shut and never speak her name.
• 1:36:33
  In my opinion, agreed. Sorry, guys, I spoke wine on my
• 1:36:41
  desk. I was frustrated. I'm trying to do a quick inmate search.
• 1:36:46
  Let's see if I can find a more recent, up to date photo.
• 1:36:50
  I don't like him. I don't like him, not Ethan, it's Mark.
• 1:37:00
  Let's see if I can find anything here. Oh wait, hold on.
• 1:37:10
  You know what is is bad about like his case that Scott Peterson's getting
• 1:37:19
  a reconsideration. Mm, yeah, that is indeed happening. I don't I
• 1:37:31
  got nothing. I just let's see is the reason ninety percent of law enforcement
• 1:37:53
  looks to the husband first. YEP, I hope more than just his mouth
• 1:38:01
  is getting filled. Sorry, I can't find anything that has a recent picture.
• 1:38:13
  I have to look a little closer. But yeah, so that's uh,
• 1:38:18
  during my case, that's the Marky Mark you wish you never knew.
• 1:38:25
  Oh, don't even give him any Marky Mark. Do not do that to
• 1:38:28
  Mark you Mark, That's just not okay. I will take Marky Mark in
• 1:38:32
  my mouth anyway. I think I said that how much of that? How
• 1:38:45
  much of that boxes you? Has he finished? It's because I didn't finish
• 1:38:53
  dinner. I really after nine monkey butts in bed, Thank god. I
• 1:39:03
  don't know if to say thank you for that case or to tell you that
• 1:39:10
  I don't like him. Yeah, I'm trying to think of that other what's
• 1:39:24
  the what's the what's the who's the fella that he said that his wife and
• 1:39:31
  kids were missing and he ended up murdering them and putting them in a like
• 1:39:36
  a oh do you know what I'm talking about? I can't think of it.
• 1:39:43
  What Chris Watts? Is that his name? Oh? Yeah, that's
• 1:39:47
  it just really reminded me of Yeah, I think it's Chris Watts. Yeah,
• 1:39:51
  Chris Watts. That's it. Kind of had that kind of thing there.
• 1:39:57
  It is yep, Don asked me about sports teams, but I can
• 1:40:01
  tell you about murderers, right, Oh are you talking about Are we talking
• 1:40:06
  about did? And Uh, that's right, P Diddy. All I'm saying
• 1:40:12
  is there's no way on a massive celebrity would they in any way raid a
• 1:40:18
  home publicly if they didn't have good without yeah, without good cause. And
• 1:40:25
  the fact that he left his Childdren to deal with it and flew to a
• 1:40:31
  place without an extradition deal tells me all I need to know. I read
• 1:40:41
  a story that he used to hang with R. Kelly. Well, there
• 1:40:47
  there is a lot that is going to happen here. I mean, I
• 1:40:50
  wasn't exactly psyched about hearing that jay Z was possibly involved in this because all
• 1:40:57
  I could think of was like Beyonce. But yeah, I mean, well,
• 1:41:02
  but you have to stop and think, yes, he is, but
• 1:41:06
  just you have to stop and think that just I mean, in their rap
• 1:41:13
  circle. You can't say just because he went to a party or dinner that
• 1:41:17
  jay Z went with Diddy. I mean, because that would be saying,
• 1:41:20
  look at j Lo, she dated the guy. So I mean, it's
• 1:41:28
  not always guilty by association. Well, if that ends up becoming any kind
• 1:41:35
  of televised court hearing. Yeah, we will probably we will we. I
• 1:41:44
  mean I have been against Diddy from day one. I don't know why.
• 1:41:55
  Something about him has always bothered me. And when j Loo's with that direction,
• 1:42:01
  I refuse to watch any videos, movies, anything she was in because
• 1:42:08
  he disturbed me that bad. Yeah didn't he is. Also, he's also
• 1:42:17
  up there in terms of people who either said people who set up Tupac's murder.
• 1:42:26
  I believe he is one of the names that comes up regularly in terms
• 1:42:30
  of somebody who wanted you puck out. I read something on Reddit because I
• 1:42:35
  have now found Reddit thanks to some of our team. He's got connections to
• 1:42:43
  Epstein. Oh, I'm sure. I'm not surprised. We will see what
• 1:42:55
  happens to him, but it is not the last thing we will hear about
• 1:43:00
  him. Man, I can't that if that's crew Shunka, that's incredibly uped
• 1:43:09
  up, but also like beyond once it comes off as like a super like
• 1:43:15
  strong independent woman that but at the same time, if she doesn't know it's
• 1:43:21
  happening, I know, my gosh, her family and that, I have
• 1:43:29
  to say would be surprising to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, h
• 1:43:34
  yeah, that's what I'm saying about. Yep, all I know is double
• 1:43:41
  H kills me. He needs to do more than thirty years. Not only
• 1:43:46
  that unless I bring home fifty goats. If I bring home fifty goats,
• 1:43:50
  he's entitled. You won't go down the first time. We all know this.
• 1:43:59
  I did not know about that case. So thank you for another reminder
• 1:44:06
  that men can be assholes. Oh we don't need a reminder of that.
• 1:44:13
  We give that every single day. However, if you are frustrated with a
• 1:44:17
  significant other because they put the toilet paper on the wrong way, or they
• 1:44:21
  leave the seat up, or any other tear like any other silly thing,
• 1:44:26
  like obviously legitimate things, but like that, at least they're not Mark hacking.
• 1:44:31
  Who's a hack? So there's that. Hey, at least he didn't
• 1:44:36
  hack her up. That's where I thought it was going. No, yeah,
• 1:44:43
  yeah, I might have led with some of those notes so you weren't
• 1:44:46
  just in there waiting. But no, that that wasn't what happened. And
• 1:44:51
  I mean, you know, it's it's one of the Yeah, even if
• 1:44:56
  you're even if your significant other sleeps on your phone and you can't access it,
• 1:45:02
  that's like literally directed at one person. But even if that's the case,
• 1:45:08
  like he ain't Mark, he ain't Mark, yep. And if your
• 1:45:15
  spouse serves dinner fifteen minutes late and you say, hey, I thought we're
• 1:45:21
  eating at this time, and they say, well, next time, cook
• 1:45:25
  at your damn So well, thank you. I do have some good news
• 1:45:33
  for everybody. My case isn't that dark, but it's disturbing in a much
• 1:45:45
  different way. Yeah, so I hope everybody is ready. A lot of
• 1:45:56
  people know about this case. It is one that I have been fascinated with
• 1:46:05
  since it happened. And the reason why is I bought into the media hype
• 1:46:15
  on it. And that's all I'm gonna say. So. Michael Morton was
• 1:46:21
  born in Texas in August nineteen fifty four. He was raised in California,
• 1:46:29
  but he moved back to Texas during high school. After high school, he
• 1:46:32
  attended SFA also known as Stephen F. Austin and nakadochus Aka Nachinaware, Texas.
• 1:46:40
  I Loved It where he met Christine Kirkpatrick, who had been born in
• 1:46:45
  April nineteen fifty five in Houston, Texas. The happy couple married in nineteen
• 1:46:50
  seventy nine when I was nine years old and went on to have a son
• 1:46:55
  named Eric in nineteen eighty three. Now there's son. Eric was born with
• 1:47:00
  a congenital heart defect, and we need surgery when he turned three. So
• 1:47:05
  the first three years of Eric's life were really hard for the parents. I
• 1:47:12
  mean, think about it. Your child is sick. You know you have
• 1:47:17
  to wait until they're this age to be able to have the surgery. I
• 1:47:23
  can only imagine that you're trying to live life, but you're also feeling like
• 1:47:28
  there's a time bomb waiting there, you know, because if he doesn't make
• 1:47:32
  it well. Eric had a successful heart surgery, and the couple, along
• 1:47:40
  with their family, celebrated Michael's thirty second birthday on August twelfth, nineteen eighty
• 1:47:45
  six, so about six weeks after Eric's successful surgery. So let me tell
• 1:47:50
  you this, husband and wife, we're probably living pretty high. You know,
• 1:47:57
  your kid has made it through surgery. It's your birthday. I mean,
• 1:48:01
  a good celebration, right. They all went out to celebrate, had
• 1:48:06
  dinner. Later, Michael would say that his thirty second birthday was great.
• 1:48:13
  Eric could come through a surgery with success and life was looking bright after three
• 1:48:18
  extremely stressful years dealing with Eric's heart condition because he was very sick, he
• 1:48:24
  was small for his age, a lot of things. The morning after his
• 1:48:30
  thirty second birthday, August thirteenth, which is also my Jefpha's birthday, Michael
• 1:48:36
  got up as usual around five am, dressed, left forge his job as
• 1:48:43
  a manager at the local grocery in the Austin area. Little did he know
• 1:48:51
  that seeing his wife sleeping that morning would be the last time he would see
• 1:48:55
  her alive, and that his life would change forever and never be the same.
• 1:49:06
  Later that day, a neighborhood christ coming from the Morton residence and police
• 1:49:11
  recalled sadly Christine, who is thirty one and at home alone with Eric,
• 1:49:16
  was brutally murdered in the master bedroom. Now, before I get into this
• 1:49:23
  next part, I want to say I am not a person that believes all
• 1:49:30
  police officers are scumbags. Okay. I believe that there are good people and
• 1:49:36
  bad people in every profession. Okay. So I'm not one who thinks we
• 1:49:43
  need to defund the police. I do think there are some bad apples out
• 1:49:46
  there. So I want to say that because I look at Harris County and
• 1:49:53
  what they've done for Chase and what they haven't done for Chase. Yeah.
• 1:49:58
  Yeah, there's a there's a book that's by Philip Zimbardo. He's the one
• 1:50:03
  who did the the Yale He did those experiments where he selected half to be
• 1:50:15
  prisoners and have to be Stanford, the Stanford Prison Experiment. So he ran
• 1:50:21
  that and he ended up writing a book called Loose for Effect where he applies
• 1:50:26
  that to the experiences that were happening in Abu Garb, which is fascinating.
• 1:50:30
  IM promised, I'm getting to a point, and I really liked what he
• 1:50:33
  said where he said like, there can only be so many times that there
• 1:50:36
  are rotten apples before you have to start looking at the basket. And so
• 1:50:44
  I think that you're right. We have a lot of great people out there.
• 1:50:50
  My uncle was one of them. We also have a lot of folks
• 1:50:54
  that, for one reason or another, that junk goes to their heads.
• 1:50:59
  But I think we also, truly and not I'm a mass skill maybe locally
• 1:51:04
  to start out with, we got to look at the basket. We gotta
• 1:51:06
  figure out where is it rotting. And I think that comes from your right.
• 1:51:12
  I think there are certain cities, counties, things where the basket is
• 1:51:15
  bad. And because the basket is bad, it attracts bad apples. Yeah,
• 1:51:21
  and and and it's because it is because good apples don't want to be
• 1:51:26
  in a bad basket. Yeah. I mean I know that. When I
• 1:51:30
  say localized, it makes it sound like I don't think it's a big deal.
• 1:51:31
  It's a big deal. In fact, it's probably the majority of locales.
• 1:51:39
  But because of that, and because there are so many ifs ands,
• 1:51:43
  or maybe it's a difficult solution and nobody wants to nobody wants to pursue it
• 1:51:47
  because it's difficult. They either want mass reform or nothing at all. It's
• 1:51:53
  not and that's the problem. They either want to go hard left or hard
• 1:51:57
  right because it would take too much work to identify the problem, to root
• 1:52:03
  cause analysis, and then fix the problem. They either say, oh,
• 1:52:09
  fine, get rid of all of it, or oh, throw money at
• 1:52:12
  it. So I just wanted to say that because the police and the prosecutor
• 1:52:17
  in this case really pissed me off. So, oh, the police,
• 1:52:26
  I think you're going the other way. Okay, I'm with you. Let's
• 1:52:30
  do this. Yeah. So the police began the investigation into the case of
• 1:52:35
  Christine's murder and Christine's brother during this investigation, found a little bit of way
• 1:52:42
  a blue band dana near the crime scene, gave it to the detectives.
• 1:52:45
  They put it into evidence. Put a pin in that, please. Police
• 1:52:50
  talk to the neighbors who reported seeing a man in a green van parked near
• 1:52:56
  the Morton's house several times and nothing was done and investigated around that green van.
• 1:53:03
  Put a pin in that. And Eric told the police that a monster
• 1:53:10
  with the mustache killed his mom and dad was at work am iping that too.
• 1:53:19
  Dad did not have a mustache, but put a pin in that.
• 1:53:24
  So police laser focused on Michael from the start because the husband did it right.
• 1:53:33
  I mean, look at who we just dealt with, Mark right now?
• 1:53:38
  There is a mark in my case? No, oh, so there
• 1:53:42
  is a mark. So interesting enough. September twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six,
• 1:53:50
  Michael had given the police everything. He was like, what can I
• 1:53:55
  do to help this? I mean, he was an open book to them.
• 1:54:00
  He was like, Polly, whatever you need right. So on September
• 1:54:03
  twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six, police arrived at Morton's home where Michael and
• 1:54:09
  Eric were just the two of them, and they arrested Michael for the murder
• 1:54:15
  of his wife. Michael asked if he could please call a friend to come
• 1:54:17
  over and get Eric, and police told him no, they already had it
• 1:54:24
  taken care of, and they proceeded to pull Eric, ripped him out of
• 1:54:29
  his dad's arms, then took Michael into custody. What oh, yeah,
• 1:54:34
  because let's just add more trauma to the kid that's experienced everything under the sun
• 1:54:39
  recently. Yep. And what you're going to find as we go through this.
• 1:54:45
  There's not a shred of evidence against Michael. So police said Michael was
• 1:54:56
  guilty because the medical examiner said Christine's time of death was around one thirty am,
• 1:55:04
  way before Michael left for work. Sergeant Don Woods reports they had a
• 1:55:10
  good case and he was one hundred percent sure Michael was guilty. Guys,
• 1:55:15
  even back in the eighties, we knew they could not give a specific time
• 1:55:20
  of death. We still can't today say this person died at one thirty Right.
• 1:55:31
  Anytime somebody says I'm one hundred percent positive, I there's you're overcompensating.
• 1:55:39
  You're you shouldn't even give a percentage. You shouldn't you just shouldn't. You
• 1:55:43
  shouldn't do half of the stuff that I feel like we're about to hear and
• 1:55:45
  has already. Oh yeah, he's arrested on September twenty fifth. On September
• 1:55:51
  twenty seventh, you know, just days after he was arrested, John Cross
• 1:55:57
  sent Detective Woods a copy of a cancer check he had just gotten back from
• 1:56:01
  the bank. And guys, I'm gonna stop here. Do you remember we
• 1:56:04
  used to get back an envelope with all the checks you had written in the
• 1:56:09
  month before. No. No, by the I think by the time,
• 1:56:16
  I was really like, I remember I used to get a whole envelope with
• 1:56:23
  every check. I'm like, how do you have a check from your husband
• 1:56:26
  if they sent it back? But anyway, he called to say he had
• 1:56:31
  just gotten a check back from the bank. He had sent Christine and Michael
• 1:56:36
  a check for Eric as a gift because of the surgery being successful. They
• 1:56:44
  wanted him them to go buy something for Eric. The check had been cash
• 1:56:48
  with a forged signature, and Christine's purse had been stolen during the murder and
• 1:57:01
  a check was cashed. If it's been cashed, do you not have camera
• 1:57:11
  of who might have done this? Maybe in eighty six they didn't at the
• 1:57:15
  bank here's this. The police didn't look into it, of course not.
• 1:57:20
  Of course they didn't. Why why would you think so? Follow a lead,
• 1:57:27
  guys. He was arrested September of eighty six. You're not gonna believe
• 1:57:32
  this. He went to trial in eighty seven. Oh, I mean that
• 1:57:38
  is fast. I mean that is fast because Michael wasn't worried because he knew
• 1:57:45
  he was one hundred percent innocent. They didn't have any evidence because he was
• 1:57:49
  at work at work. So now let me tell you about the pro secutor,
• 1:58:00
  mister ken Anderson. He was a prosecutor on Michael's case, and ken
• 1:58:09
  Anderson's theory was that Michael killed his wife the night of his birthday because Christine
• 1:58:14
  refused to have sex with him for his birthday. Now, Michael later says,
• 1:58:21
  there is a documentary out there, an Unreal Dream, and it's really
• 1:58:27
  good. If you want to go watch it, you can find it for
• 1:58:30
  free to watch. He admits, He goes, yeah, we went out,
• 1:58:33
  it was my birthday. We were celebrating. We had drinks. He
• 1:58:36
  goes, my wife fell asleep. He goes, how often does that happen?
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  And I got to thinking if doubleh Ever, got asked that question.
• 1:58:48
  I would be embarrassed if he gave the number of times a false before he
• 1:58:55
  makes it in the benuroom. I feel like a normal human being would be,
• 1:59:01
  like, they have a three year old child who just had major heart
• 1:59:06
  surgery. The bitch be tired, not the bitch, the woman. I
• 1:59:11
  said, bitch, but not in a bad way. But yeah, because
• 1:59:15
  I bitch, and I'd be tired. So I mean, it's not only
• 1:59:19
  that, like they just both went through this. You think that's the first
• 1:59:23
  thing on his mind. I really don't think so. And he killed her
• 1:59:27
  because she wouldn't put out Yeah, that's yeah, and a lot of people
• 1:59:33
  would be Anderson dismissed the defense theory that an intruder killed Christine and stole her
• 1:59:40
  purse. You know, they basically thought that Michael got rid of the purse.
• 1:59:47
  So I do need to say that this trial was Ken Anderson's biggest career
• 1:59:53
  that early on in his life, and several of the jurors that are interviewed
• 1:59:58
  said that Ken did a great job during the trial. He was well prepared
• 2:00:02
  and they trusted everything he said. So, guys, what does that tell
• 2:00:08
  you? They didn't really consider the evidence because there was none. They believed
• 2:00:16
  the prosecutor's story. So one interesting thing is that that detective would was on
• 2:00:25
  the witness list, yet Ken Anderson never called him to the stand, instead
• 2:00:32
  called the sheriff to the stand to talk about the investigation in the mini pages
• 2:00:39
  of reports that were filed, but didn't bring the actual person who investigated it.
• 2:00:46
  This sounds like making a murder yep. Well, the medical examiner testified
• 2:00:55
  that Christine was murdered at one point fifteen, a m dead on not a
• 2:01:00
  timeframe. She was dead at one fifteen based on her stomach temperature. Okay.
• 2:01:13
  Defense brought in two other medical examiners, both who said you could not
• 2:01:19
  say one hundred percent the time of death based on a stomach temperature or body
• 2:01:27
  temperature, So everybody was over compensating. Uh huh. And let's remember the
• 2:01:34
  neighbors heard screams right before she was found and Michael was at work. Yes,
• 2:01:43
  okay, So Michael was found guilty guys, by the jury, and
• 2:01:50
  he was sent immediately to prison at the wind Unit. Luckily he was given
• 2:01:56
  life without parole and not the death penalty. I mean, guys, this
• 2:01:59
  is Texas. You know you look at somebody wrong. They have no problem
• 2:02:09
  killing anyone. I mean, guys, there was no evidence that he committed
• 2:02:14
  this murder. Now, the sad thing is her family also trusted Ken Anderson
• 2:02:20
  and the detective and they believed them that Michael killed his wife. Now,
• 2:02:27
  Michael was granted Okay, wait before I get to that. So Michael says
• 2:02:32
  in that documentary that there was no time to prepare for prison. He said,
• 2:02:40
  you go, and it is reality in the face when they strip you
• 2:02:44
  down into a strip search in cavity search within an hour or two of you
• 2:02:53
  being sent to prison. I mean, there's no time to prepare. And
• 2:02:59
  remember he was a guy who believed in the system and said he was innocent.
• 2:03:05
  There was no evidence. How could he be convicted? Right? So
• 2:03:11
  he was granted mandatory visitation every six months with his son Eric. I found
• 2:03:17
  that interesting because normally they terminate your parental rights if the family asked for it.
• 2:03:24
  I don't know if they didn't do it back then or what, but
• 2:03:27
  he was granted visitation and his sister in law had to bring Eric to visit
• 2:03:32
  him in prison every six months. And Eric quinn No, Yeah, what's
• 2:03:42
  interesting to me is like it's almost like they gave him this, knowing that
• 2:03:47
  he knew he'd have to be on his best behavior in order to maintain those
• 2:03:51
  and so it would keep him in check from having to appeal or whatever for
• 2:03:56
  the risk of losing his visitation. Nop. He filed his appeals. He
• 2:04:01
  did not let that stop him. He accepted his fate, but he didn't
• 2:04:10
  stop fighting for the truth. Now, the sister in law would sit there
• 2:04:15
  with Eric as he visited, and of course look at Michael with pure hatred
• 2:04:20
  because she blamed him for killing her sister. I mean, I can't say
• 2:04:27
  I would blame her for that, right. So Michael says in the film
• 2:04:31
  An Unreal Dream that over time he felt and noticed Eric getting further and further
• 2:04:36
  away from him, and that he didn't feel that they had a bond.
• 2:04:42
  I mean every six months across the table in prison. I mean, you
• 2:04:46
  can't have a bond, right. So Michael goes on and tells that when
• 2:04:54
  Eric became a teenager, he wanted to stop visiting his dad in prison,
• 2:05:00
  and Michael said, I will grant you your wish, but you have to
• 2:05:06
  come and tell me in person, which Eric did, and they were supposed
• 2:05:17
  to visit for two hours. It lasted less than two minutes. After Eric
• 2:05:21
  told him he wouldn't be coming back, Michael looked at his sister in law
• 2:05:26
  and he said, please take care of my son. So, while in
• 2:05:31
  prison, Michael did get his bachelor's degree in psychology while waiting for his appeals.
• 2:05:41
  Now, I'm going to try not to cry. When Eric turned eighteen,
• 2:05:47
  he wrote his dad a letter letting him know that he was legally changing
• 2:05:50
  his last name and dropping his dad's name, and that his aunt and uncle
• 2:05:57
  who raised him were going to adopt him. Michael says that after everything had
• 2:06:05
  been through with losing his wife, family members, dying, losing appeals,
• 2:06:14
  fighting for justice, that his son's letter truly broke him. Now. In
• 2:06:24
  two thousand and two, the Innocence Project reviewed Michael's case and they said it
• 2:06:29
  was a good case and they believed he got shafted and that he was innocent.
• 2:06:34
  There was no evidence he was not home. Now it would take years
• 2:06:43
  for the Innocence Project to get the court to even hear their case. Okay.
• 2:06:47
  In twenty ten, Michael was offered parole. He could walk out of
• 2:06:51
  parison that day. He was told if he would only admit and own up
• 2:06:58
  to killing his wife and talk to his family, talked to his attorneys.
• 2:07:04
  Guys. His attorney worked pro bono after he was convicted until many many years
• 2:07:12
  later. And he said, I can't do it. I will not lie
• 2:07:16
  and say I did this. And all I have left is my innocence of
• 2:07:20
  my word that should have spoke of volumes to people, to her family,
• 2:07:34
  you know, because that that says a lot to me, you know.
• 2:07:40
  So the team of the Innocence Project requested copies of the investigation files. They
• 2:07:45
  did this through the Freedom of Information Act, and guys, the stuff they
• 2:07:53
  found in these files that were never turned over to the defense attorney during the
• 2:07:59
  truth yep. So they found the interview of Eric from when Christine was murdered.
• 2:08:09
  Eric was asked to describe the person he saw and he said he was
• 2:08:11
  a monster. And he was asked who is in the house and he said
• 2:08:16
  Mommy and Eric. And they said was Daddy there and he said, no,
• 2:08:20
  Daddy's at work. Don Woods the detective and Ken Anderson the DA had
• 2:08:28
  this information for twenty five years and never turned it over. They should be
• 2:08:37
  arrested and put in jail. They also never turned over the information about the
• 2:08:43
  Green van that had been seen. That green van was seen right in the
• 2:08:50
  area where the bloody bandana was found in jail. They need to be in
• 2:08:58
  jail, both of them, guys. The Innocent Project's attorney fought for years
• 2:09:07
  to have the DNA run on that bloody bandana. The new DA said that
• 2:09:15
  would just muddy the waters. And we don't even know if it has anything
• 2:09:18
  to do with this case. Why would we waste our time? The courts
• 2:09:22
  granted the Innocence Project team the right to check it the DNA well. The
• 2:09:31
  DA of Williamson County filed an appeal say no, it's a waste of time,
• 2:09:37
  YadA, YadA, YadA, which tells me they knew they had something
• 2:09:41
  to hide. I don't know that they did, but it just stinks to
• 2:09:45
  me, right, So they did win the appeal. The DNA was tested
• 2:09:54
  and it was Christine's blood and the mail that was not Michael. The team
• 2:10:03
  didn't want to get Michael's hopes up, so they called and said hey,
• 2:10:09
  because he had never met them in person, Hey, we're seeing another possible
• 2:10:13
  client. Thought we'd come and meet and say hi, shake hands kind of
• 2:10:16
  thing, because I wanted to tell him that the DNA does not match you.
• 2:10:24
  You're not getting out today, but you will get out. Is there
• 2:10:28
  a video of that? If you watch a there's not a video of them
• 2:10:35
  having that conversation, but Mark in The Unreal Dream talks about it. I
• 2:10:43
  have to tell you if I can meet Michael Morton, he lives here in
• 2:10:46
  Texas, if he sees this, I would love to shake his hand.
• 2:10:54
  He never got jaded. He never said poor me. His family would put
• 2:11:01
  money into his commissary account. He would buy like moon pies and share them
• 2:11:07
  with his fellow inmates, even those he didn't know. And they said he
• 2:11:13
  kept to himself his feelings about when his appeals were not granted. He would
• 2:11:20
  just say, yeah it was bad news. Hey it's not looking good.
• 2:11:24
  He never was woe is me. He never was pity pitiful me. And
• 2:11:30
  he said he actually made some really good friends in prison. He's he's he
• 2:11:39
  he looks like such a lovely fellaw he he yeah, So let's get through.
• 2:11:45
  So then they still needed to run that's him after he got out.
• 2:11:50
  Yep, they still had to run the DNA through codis to see if there
• 2:11:54
  was a suspect right that matched the DNA. They got a direct hit on
• 2:11:58
  a man who had a vast criminal record in multiple states. Marcho. Not
• 2:12:07
  only would the innocent man in jail, but a very guilty person on the
• 2:12:11
  streets. Guys, Michael never got to mourn his wife, he lost his
• 2:12:18
  son. So but it was almost twenty five years to the day of Christine's
• 2:12:26
  murder that the DNA match was found, guys, and I bet everyone's just
• 2:12:35
  going to be as surprised as I was and pissed the prosecutor was saying it
• 2:12:41
  didn't matter and that Michael was still guilty. Now thirty days later, he
• 2:12:50
  did change his mind, changed his tune. I guess I should say Innocent's
• 2:12:56
  team went on to locate it where Martin Norwood was living during the time of
• 2:13:00
  Christine's murder. They also discovered a cold case that happened two years after Christine's
• 2:13:07
  murder had all of the same features of Christine's murder. And guess what,
• 2:13:15
  Mark Norwood's DNA was found at the scene of that murder as well. Who
• 2:13:22
  was he tied to? Who did he know? He didn't They just didn't
• 2:13:26
  do their job. So the local attorney working on the case for Michael and
• 2:13:33
  I'm gonna try to keep it together. Called Eric, Michael's son, to
• 2:13:37
  tell him his father would be getting out and that he was innocent. Eric
• 2:13:43
  said, I was rude at first because I didn't want anything to mess up
• 2:13:48
  the life I had built. I was married and I was expecting my first
• 2:13:52
  child, and I didn't have room or any place in my life for any
• 2:13:58
  of this drama. He was raised by her family thinking he killed you know,
• 2:14:09
  they didn't share the good of Michael, and that breaks my heart.
• 2:14:16
  So as Michael walked out of prison because he was exonerated after twenty five years,
• 2:14:26
  he walked out with his fellow inmates celebrating his release, clapping, yelling
• 2:14:31
  and pumping their fist and showing their support. Several of them were interviewed and
• 2:14:37
  they said, we all knew. There was a lot of guys in prison
• 2:14:41
  who said I'm innocent, and you could look at them and say, yeah,
• 2:14:45
  you're full of shit. They said, they all knew, and you
• 2:14:48
  could tell Michael was a good human and that he loved his wife and that
• 2:14:52
  he didn't kill her. So the judge that the exoneration brought in front of
• 2:15:01
  apologize to Michael and his family, and he fully exonerated Michael of the murder
• 2:15:07
  of his wife, and Michael walked out a freeman with his mother and father
• 2:15:11
  by his side as he took a breadth of fresh air, sitting next to
• 2:15:16
  his attorney. Now Eric tells during the filming of An Unreal Dream that when
• 2:15:24
  he saw his dad on the Internet walking free, that he could feel himself
• 2:15:28
  changing and that there was proof that what he knew about that part of his
• 2:15:35
  life was going to change. Michael was freed on October fourth, twenty eleven.
• 2:15:43
  Mark Norwood was arrested for Christine's murder and was also a suspect in that
• 2:15:50
  murder of Deborah Baker. Two years after Christine's death, Mark Norwood was convicted
• 2:15:56
  and sentenced to life in prison on March twenty seven, twenty thirteen. Guys
• 2:16:03
  Michael went to jail and was convicted a year later. It took two years
• 2:16:09
  for Mark Norwood to be convicted, and they had DNA and Christine's family said
• 2:16:18
  they didn't want the death penalty. They wanted him to have life without parole.
• 2:16:22
  In September twenty sixteen, Mark was convicted of the murder of Deborah Baker.
• 2:16:28
  Now The Innocence Project filed a report with the Williamson County Courts showing that
• 2:16:33
  Ken Anderson, the original prosecutor, concealed evidence and tampered with evidence. The
• 2:16:39
  Court of Inquiry ruled that there was probable cause, and the State bar of
• 2:16:45
  Texas also brought ethics charges against Ken Anderson, who pled guilty and served ten
• 2:16:52
  days in jail and surrendered his life license permanently. Guys ten days and think
• 2:17:07
  of all the money he made in those twenty five years he got to retire
• 2:17:11
  early, right yep. So the Baker family says that they feel Ken Anderson
• 2:17:18
  is partly to blame for their leved Ones murder because if kN Anderson would have
• 2:17:24
  done his job, Mark would have been arrested instead of Michael, and Mark
• 2:17:31
  would not have been able to murder Deborah Baker. They do not blame the
• 2:17:35
  detective because remember, Anderson never called the detective to the stand, and now
• 2:17:43
  we know why the detective would have admitted all of this crap. Right.
• 2:17:54
  Ken Anderson remains stating that he is in a and you will see if you
• 2:18:01
  watch the unreal dream that he says, I don't really remember everything from that
• 2:18:05
  case a long time ago, but I know I didn't do anything wrong.
• 2:18:13
  Now good news. That is a gross carriage. Uh Uh. He lost
• 2:18:20
  twenty five years of his life. His wife was murdered, he didn't get
• 2:18:26
  to grieve her. He was accused of killing the woman he loved, and
• 2:18:31
  he lost his son for twenty five years plus what hell he went through in
• 2:18:39
  prison? Right? No, that's gross. In May of twenty fourteen,
• 2:18:50
  Governor Rick Perry signed the Michael Morton Act in the law to ensure a more
• 2:18:54
  open discovery process and to help prevent the injustice Michael Morton experienced. So he
• 2:19:03
  made it more that, not just Brady, that you have to give over
• 2:19:09
  everything. You can't keep it any of it back. You have to give
• 2:19:16
  everything right, can't pick and choose. Yeah, did I shunka wants to?
• 2:19:22
  Did they open any of his old cases? They reopened all of them
• 2:19:28
  and they're still going through them now. Believe it so. On a positive
• 2:19:37
  note, Eric and Michael were reunited after his release, and Michael met Cynthia
• 2:19:43
  may Chessman at church and the two were married. Michael has a relationship with
• 2:19:52
  his son, his daughter in law, and his granddaughter, who his son
• 2:19:56
  named after his murdered wife, Chris, and Michael says in the unreal dream.
• 2:20:05
  He goes, if she ever finds out I have a credit card,
• 2:20:09
  I'm in trouble because she has me wrapped and she can have anything she wants.
• 2:20:16
  Ain't that how that goes. Michael was awarded one point nine million in
• 2:20:22
  state compensation plus a monthly annuity of twelve thousand dollars the one point. I
• 2:20:31
  was like, that is not oh. When I saw that at first,
• 2:20:35
  I was like, oh, that is not just. But no, he
• 2:20:39
  also gets twelve thousand dollars a month. Michael now works, I mean with
• 2:20:45
  the Innocence Project to help get others out, but also he helps work to
• 2:20:50
  try to prevent it from happening. Again. Good for it, and you
• 2:20:56
  know it. I find so fabulous. He doesn't have an ounce of hate
• 2:21:05
  in him, he said. So many other people are angry and upset.
• 2:21:13
  He's just very thankful to be out and to be with his family, and
• 2:21:18
  he doesn't hold any hate in his heart, not even for Ken Anderson.
• 2:21:26
  So this is one time that we are one hundred percent sure the husband did
• 2:21:31
  not do it and he was a victim, just like his wife, Christine
• 2:21:35
  Morton and their son Eric, that although started in tragedy, ended on a
• 2:21:46
  higher note, and I think that that's a perfect place to probably call it.
• 2:21:54
  You think it is. I mean, he could have hung himself in
• 2:21:58
  jail. He could have been bitter, because I have to tell you I'm
• 2:22:03
  a pretty positive person with everything I've gone through in life, but I don't
• 2:22:09
  know if I could have remained twenty five years in prison. And in the
• 2:22:16
  Unreal Dream he talks about how loud it is and hearing people get raped and
• 2:22:22
  beaten, and I mean, it's not like he had an easy time in
• 2:22:28
  prison. No, no, So I want to say to Michael Martin,
• 2:22:37
  you are an inspiration to me because if you can come out of that without
• 2:22:46
  hate in your heart, I need to be a better person because I don't
• 2:22:52
  know if I could have done it. I want him to come on.
• 2:22:56
  I know I am attempting to reach out. I'm ready to reach out,
• 2:23:03
  and like I said, I would love to meet him in person, buy
• 2:23:07
  him lunch, because there are so many other people that are in prison that
• 2:23:15
  are wrongly accused, wrongly convicted, and I think they and their family need
• 2:23:24
  to know never give up. Never give up, because it may take time,
• 2:23:31
  but if you can keep that in your heart, you win even if
• 2:23:39
  you don't get out, you win. Yeah. So that is my case.
• 2:23:46
  And I am proud that I didn't do anything as dark as you did
• 2:23:50
  this time. No, you brought the light ultimately. Yeah, I cried
• 2:23:58
  watching that the So you can watch it on Venmo or vemo or Vimeo something
• 2:24:03
  like that. You can watch it. He also has a book. I've
• 2:24:09
  ordered the book and I'm waiting to get the book because I'm like, you
• 2:24:13
  know what, I have no problem putting more money in that man's pocket,
• 2:24:16
  because I still I don't think I'm one of those people that I don't think
• 2:24:24
  what he has gotten is enough. No, not at all. So Ken
• 2:24:31
  Anderson got ten days in jail. You put a man in prison for twenty
• 2:24:37
  five years and you get ten days in disbarred, and you know that is
• 2:24:41
  not justice. You know he was in jail, in a single cell,
• 2:24:46
  await prison exactly. Oh that's right, that's right. He was in jail,
• 2:24:52
  County jail. Didn't even go to prison, guys. Well gone.
• 2:25:00
  Vimeo is online. It's not a streaming service. It looks like anybody can
• 2:25:05
  upload videos to it and you can watch it. Was free. I googled
• 2:25:09
  it and I found it. Wow, an unreal dream. I want to
• 2:25:18
  say it was an hour and a half. I bowled, guys. I
• 2:25:22
  watched it three times and at first when watching it, I was like,
• 2:25:28
  Eric, how dare you send your day a letter to change your name?
• 2:25:33
  And then I had to stop and think. He was raised thinking this man
• 2:25:37
  killed his mother. He didn't do anything wrong. He was doing what his
• 2:25:43
  heart told him to do. And I love that when he found out the
• 2:25:50
  truth, he owned up to it and he has a relationship with his dad.
• 2:25:54
  I love both of them. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well that's
• 2:26:03
  my story. So I think it's a perfect place to end it is so
• 2:26:07
  I will say what Nope, not yet, not yet, guys. I
• 2:26:13
  also, starting next Wednesday, am hosting Midday Missing, where I will highlight
• 2:26:22
  missing person cases, some that haven't gotten a lot of attention, that are
• 2:26:26
  older and some that are newer. These will not be investigations, they will
• 2:26:31
  just be covering it. However, I do have an interview with one of
• 2:26:37
  the families in a case I'm covering, and if they're open to it,
• 2:26:41
  I will bring them on as well. So it will be every Monday and
• 2:26:46
  Wednesday at noon Texas time, and it'll start next Wednesday, yep, yes,
• 2:26:52
  and then also not this week, but I'm pushing it so that we
• 2:26:56
  counter weeks. Hey Ho Show will be next Friday. For those of you
• 2:27:01
  who are taking part in the quizzes, you have until next Thursday at midnight
• 2:27:05
  to finish it. I've extended it, and then I am also looking at
• 2:27:11
  the possibility of bringing back Night Court. Yes, yes, Midday Missing will
• 2:27:20
  be live now. Yes I have Yes, Angie, that is the case
• 2:27:28
  that you are researching, and I'm speaking with the family on Monday night.
• 2:27:33
  Also, I want to know when does the Hoe get to be a guest
• 2:27:37
  on the Hey Hoe Show? Whenever you want to, I d Ho,
• 2:27:46
  I mean you the Hoe, I'm the host. Sac that is way too
• 2:27:48
  appropriate and weird. So I don't think. Yes, Midday Missing will be
• 2:27:54
  on True Crime and Wine time this channel. It is just another piece of
• 2:28:01
  this And guys, just y'all know I swear I would never cover missing person
• 2:28:05
  cases because they're so heartbreaking. But after getting to know Chase Lackey's family,
• 2:28:11
  and I feel like I know Chase so well, We've had so many families
• 2:28:15
  reach out to us. The least I can do is give up an hour
• 2:28:20
  of my lunchtime a couple of days a week to get the word out there,
• 2:28:24
  because, as I've learned with Chase Lackey, if you're not a perfect
• 2:28:28
  victim who goes missing, law enforcement's not that interested because it would take too
• 2:28:33
  much work. So if you have any cases you want me to look into,
• 2:28:39
  please message me on Facebook, email me at Terry at True Crime and
• 2:28:46
  Wine Time, send it to JT. Get it to me. I would
• 2:28:48
  be happy to cover it. So yeah, like everything that we mentioned,
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  all the shows that we mentioned, they're all going to be here. We're
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  trying to build up programming in a way that's responsible both for you all but
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  also for us so that there is not burnout, right, because we all
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  know that that's a reality. Well, one thing I am doing is I
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  am trying to record some of my midday missings to have for whenever my MS
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  flares up and I can't do a live show, I can still release content.
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  It won't be live, but I'll still do it on the same channel
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  and all of that, just because I have to accept reality. There are
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  days that I can't get out of bed and I'm not streaming from my bed.
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  Guys, I'm not that cute in bed. So here's what here's what
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  it needs to happen is we need to get to the point where we don't
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  have to work. And then if you have those moment and I can just
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  take over for job. So that's our goal. Guys. Whoever wants to
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  find a YouTube creators grant in order to keep us from working for a year,
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  I think that'd be enough time. Yeah, focused directly on this.
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  So whoever wants to write us a grant? Thousand subscribers, Yeah, I
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  know we can. We can destroy that and them. There's a lot that's
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  gonna happen too if we hit a thousand subscribers, and before I hit the
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  close out video, I'll hit that video so you can see that again.
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  Yes, but so I think now all that's left to do is for me
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  to say I love you guys, take care of yourselves, your friends and
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  family, don't let anybody doll your sparkle and shine on you crazy diamonds and
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  Terry. I'm to say, stay safe, watch out for crime, enjoy
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  your wine time, and get ready to meet Jasper yee man is the very
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