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- speaker-0: Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome to the concession stand. I'm Nick, and across the screen is my boy Jules. And today we got a lot to talk about because Spider-Man Brand New Day is officially out. The most recent MCU movie, the most recent installation in the Tom Holland Spider-Man trilogy. We've been waiting, what, four, five years for this jump? And it's finally here. speaker-1: Like more, honestly. speaker-0: Yeah, it feels like it feels like a decade we've been waiting for this jump, but it's here, so let's get right into it. First things first, we're gonna talk about it, no spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen it yet. You know, we're we're not you know, we'll we'll we'll talk about, you know, you know, plot lines, what we liked, what we you know, what we might not have liked, but we're not gonna spoil anything for you. We'll we will let you know when we're about to start talking spoilers and you can dip out and come back later. So ⁓ Jules, why what what's your what's your spoiler free just reaction to this movie? 'Cause you just came from the theater. You Jules was at the theater ab about an hour ago watching this movie. What'd you think? speaker-1: So for me, it got the nine point eight, you know, nine point seven review out of ten. ⁓ for me, just the plot from the plot to how everything was laid out up in front of you, it was amazing. If you're a Spidey fan, if you're anywhere, it this is the movie for you, this is your time, this is our time. We got everything we wanted. speaker-0: is is it's really hard for me to come up with like I mean it's not like super hard but it's it I don't know as a Spider-Man fan just being after being fed so well it's it it it it pains me to like try to think about the you know try to nitpick and think about the negatives and stuff but if I had to talk about the negatives I'd say just like probably in the first like don't get me wrong I was I was I was in it from the jump. I was you know like it's not like I I'm not saying it starts slow Necessarily, I'm not saying that like, you know, there's not anything happening in the first half. It just there I feel like it got to a point where there was like there was just a lot of exposition in that for you know for the first half of the movie. And like, you know, there's like exposition and some mystery. So like it and it they're like it get from like s some part of the end of the beginning to the middle around that area. It just kinda I like I just I I was kinda I was enjoying it because, you know, I'll take as much time with these characters as we can get. But at the same time, it I was just kind of like, where, like, where exactly are we going? Like and even though, you know, in we know we like you said earlier, we see that, you know, we see the trailers for these things and we kind of get an idea of what's going to happen, which is another thing that I'll talk about maybe later. But you know, I kind of had a problem with how much they showed us of this movie in the trailer. Cause I, you know, cause obviously we don't you don't have to watch the trailers, but they they're kind of shoving them in our faces if you're on social media or if you're on watching TV. So they are Yeah, so speaker-1: You get a lot of hits and a lot of playback. speaker-0: Yeah, exactly. So like but I I just wish that ⁓ they there was a little more to be like imagined or more left to mystery in terms of the actual mystery of it. Cause like we even though there was a mystery in the story, you I still knew okay, this whole fight's probably gonna be coming up soon. You know, this probably this hasn't happened yet, this is probably gonna happen soon. So yeah. ⁓ but even that being said, when we got those scenes. And like even though I had an idea of what they might be, what they ended up actually being was was was great. What like it was awesome. I I I ooh. Ooh, man, I just I love it. I love it, man. I'm sorry. And hey, I don't care if I'm coming off biased. I don't care. Maybe maybe that's the case, or maybe it's just a great freaking movie, but speaker-1: Now let me ask you this because we were talking about Sam Raimi, ⁓ Sam Sam Raimi Spider Man. What did you think about the swinging scenes? Because I feel like in that Spider Man and those Spider Man's we really got some really good swinging scenes. Like, you know, with the with you know, Tom Spider Man, we've gotten some maybe some distant swinging scenes, but like, you know, I felt like that all of our swinging scenes kinda brought us all back home to what we are used to in seeing that. And I felt like, you know, As I was watching and I was imagining how they did it, I was just like, I kind of see, I think it's funny because like there was something that MJ says to Tom or to ⁓ Spider-Man. And I thought to myself, like, could that have been a real clip? Like, you know, like in a like ver like where you you get like it's off script stuff, but she's like, you know, saying, you know, Am I slipping? I don't think that's really a spoiler, but like speaker-0: Trying to think of what when what part you're talking about. ⁓ yeah yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ I speaker-1: He's like, I'm slipping. I'm slipping. ⁓ Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, No, no, no, you're not, I got you I mean I think that I think that part could have been like a a little bit of a off script that they like like they kept because it worked. speaker-0: But I might be. I see that. I could see no, I could see I could see it. I could see it. I remember we'll talk about it in spoiler we'll talk about that in spoilers just because I have a thought about that moment that I we can't really talk about unless you know what's going on. But ⁓ but but I can I I see what you're saying though. But to the Sam Raimi of it all, this is so yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. I something that I really loved about this movie is that or okay, to answer what you said first about the swing, the swinging scenes. ⁓ amazing. Amazing. Like I just watched Spider Man two earlier this week, and that's arguably probably the best Raimi movie, at least in my opinion. speaker-1: I think it I think it's the best. speaker-0: And I think I think the swinging scenes of this were prob were probably better than that. Like be just be like obviously I know like just the vi the rainy vibes of those movies, just like in this you know, swinging through the city and the you know, the dock ock fight on the on the subway train is just great, like great speaker-1: Yeah, and then the clock tower where he throws the the arm back at it. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. Great stuff. But like just especially that opening, that opening swing. And I I'm I'm also a defender of the opening swing and the amazing Spider-Man 2 with Andrew. Well, you know, because he starts that movie where he's just flying through the air. You see the flap of the of the the costume blowing in the wind and shit. And it's like it's like that. I didn't think you could top that, but they did. They like this this movie, I will say with my full chest, gives us the best Spider Man swing that we've seen to date. I'm sorry. Like that's just like the camera angle. speaker-1: 100% like it even like I it had me even thinking about like when in the Spider-Man two video game with Miles where he's telling Miles like he needs to do his physics homework and stuff like that because he takes that into account for swinging. And I'm just like, yeah no, it feels like someone when doing all this and editing like thought they just didn't have him shoot one way and then he's swinging that way. It's like, no, we shot there. He it's still stuck to that building. If you if you go ahead and follow the the web, you can see it's still stuck to that same building. Mm-hmm. And then you and you and then he swings through. And it's like that's pretty cool. Like the fact that like you can still follow the web all the way through each of the scenes. And it's like, you know, where it's not just, you know, because ultimately they're gonna have to CGI certain things, but like it was like that was done pretty well to me. At least. speaker-0: Yeah, that was that was great. I I low-key noticed that like just in a few scenes. I was like like they they they really did kinda they they like they stuck and obviously you know they if it's on screen you'd think they would do that, but like it just that you saying that just reminded me how many times Spider-Man swings in other movies and like it just goes off screen and you just don't even see. speaker-1: Right, or or it's no longer on his arm. It's like or on on the web. It's like, you know, him in his body. So where you don't even see the full swing. You like no, we got the entire swing from the top of the swing to the you know, the his most momentum in the swing to him letting go and getting to the next one. speaker-0: Yep. Yep. And like ⁓ okay, let maybe this is this is the last thing I'll say before we go into spoilers. But like just the amount like what speaking to what I said earlier about how this is like the best Spider-Man iteration we've seen. It's just that like th and I I I'll give this one to both Tom Holland and ⁓ Dustin Daniel Creton, the director. ⁓ there are so many like just Spider Man Pulls in this movie. Whether you know, obviously from comics, there's the shots, you know, the with the comic cover recreations and things like that. But there's like so many just like little things like ⁓ like for instance, just honestly, I don't ⁓ this is gonna sound like kind of cliche just you know, just to be the first point, but like just the vibes, like Sammy Sam Raimi's movies had a certain vibe, and Sam Raimi as a director has a vibe, and I'm not saying this movie has the exact same vibe, but It's still like Yeah, exactly. It has its own vibe. And it's just like it's cool, but it's also like speaker-1: And all the other ones where it's like it's almost a standalone because it's its uniqueness in comparison to the other ones, it makes it different. speaker-0: Right, right, right. And like obviously it's tied to what happened in No Way Home, like with the you know, with the after effects of Stranger's spell and everything. But like you know, any I feel like anybody who knows who Spider Man is and s you know, has seen maybe one of the movies could go into this and still get a real get a lot out of it. Still have a really good time watching it, just 'cause it's that like enthralling. So speaker-1: I don't know if this is a spoilers conversation or not. But I just thought of something that like w w is it possible? No, this is a spoilers conversation. speaker-0: Okay, okay. Well that with that being said, let's just let's just go right into spoilers. So you said what's your what's your score? You said you gave it ⁓ nine point eight. ⁓ nine point eight. Yeah. I'm okay, okay. If we're going okay. I have to I'll get I ooh think ⁓ I I get I get c caught here 'cause I yeah, I wanna do it as a Spider Man fan, I wanna do it as a film critic. As a film critic, I wanna give it a I wanna give it a f ⁓ I I I'm think my mind is a letterbox, so I I go out of like out of five stars. speaker-1: Point eight, nine point seven. speaker-0: I'm like I wanna give it a four point five out of five. But as a Spider fan, I wanna give it a five. I wanna give it a ten out of ten. ⁓ so I you know, take that as you will. speaker-1: Okay. All right, guys, come on. But like, you know, other than that, I think that it deserves its credit and it's definitely gonna make its box office by more than it needs to, and it's gonna make speaker-0: It's probably made it bid its box off or made the the ⁓ one night. speaker-1: I'll call it right now. I think you can make a billion. speaker-0: ⁓ It might be it might be the fastest movie to make a billion this year. It really because it's tracking to make 800 million this weekend. Like from Wednesday to Sunday, 800 million worldwide. ⁓ my god. Like, but okay, last thing true. Really, last thing before we go to spoilers, Spider-Man is that guy. He is literally him. Like, I swear, in 50 years, in a hundred years. Like I people I people will still be talking about Spider Man and people will still be able to like re I'm not I don't know if we'll still be getting Spider Man movies. I don't know about that. I don't know if we'll still speaker-1: Fighter ninety nine, we never know. speaker-0: I'm saying. speaker-1: Might be miles for hours for for for finally. Hell, if we're lucky, we'll finally get blade. How about that? speaker-0: For fine. All right, that's enough of that. You know, we've been we've been sparing all the people who haven't seen the movie enough. ⁓ if you haven't seen the movie, again, this is your last chance. Exit out. Come back to the show after you've seen Brandon. speaker-1: Spoiler alert. Red flashing alarms. Red flashing alarms. speaker-0: Yep, yep, you'll see ⁓ hopefully. But you know, come back when you can, but you know, let's dive right in 'cause there's so much to talk about. speaker-1: I've been holding back. I've been holding it back. speaker-0: Okay. Before we I I think the first thing we gotta start off with just to kinda just to kinda address it, because the you know it's the elephant in the room. The Gene Gray of it all. Right? So Spe br speculation's been buzzing for months, you know, everybody's thinking she's Gene. Could she be somebody else? Could she be Gwen? Marvel didn't want to tell us regardless. Marvel said we're keeping it tight. We're not even gonna let her we're not even gonna let her talk about it on the press tour. Like she can't she can't even talk about her character like that. And it's finally confirmed we get our first member of the X Men in the MCU in Gene Grey as Sadie Singh. What did you think? How did you like the portrayal? What do you think of her being in this movie, being introduced in this movie? ⁓ yeah, so what how are you feeling? speaker-1: So since this is a spoilers episode, I'm s I'm gonna start from from the end and work my way backwards. Okay. I think that by the end once we see her getting more omega level ish, you know, look like in the f the bearer of the phoenix force, like we started to really get that. It was expanding, but when we and then once we, you know, go back further, you know, it wasn't something that she was given, it wasn't a drug. She was she unlocked that on her own after she learned that the last thing her sister seen was more than likely the duct the air duct above her. Very crazy. That was speaker-0: Which reveal. What a reveal. This whole time, I don't even know what I was telling myself like the V Max might have been. Like I was like, what the like what is V Max? Like, where is this going? Da da da da da. And then when she looked up and saw that vet and you see V Max at the bottom. Man, man. I was like, ⁓ Bro, I'm sorry, I can't. I that like what a ⁓ like at that point we had known that they had killed her sister because ⁓ Metzger said the thing about, you know, ⁓ the thing for her sacrifice, yeah, honoring her or whatever. And so like but st just to for that to be the thing that kind of pushes Gene over the edge to bust out of that junk, level up her powers. And ⁓ my it was just ⁓ speaker-1: It was insane. It was Chef's kiss. And then, like, the way like her sister was helping her, like, kind of ⁓ in the nigga, because the next person who would be her mentor in that way would be Xavier. So I thought it was cool that she taught her how to hop, figured out her what her you know limit was 33 feet. She can't hop more than that. But now it doesn't matter. She we she got about a kilometer, so you know she's just and she she's just and that was something she asked, like make doing that to everybody in the park, you know, when she was. in that memory and that's where I think she got the idea. Alright, everybody in a kilometer radius is gonna be held. Also, her keeping Spidey alive with her powers, she has kissed as well. But I have to say something about the comic book ⁓ scene because or the comic book frame scene where we get Punisher walking in with Spider-Man. That's a classic comic book frame. So that was pretty cool. you know, as far as but that's for for me, Jean for Gene, I thought that was the best introduction introduction we're gonna get of our, you know Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, I I yeah, 'cause I was that's one of the other things I was kind of skeptical about going in if she was gonna be Gene is like why is she in this movie and why are we choosing this movie to introduce her. But coming out of it, it just you know, it makes like a lot of sense. It's kind of the same like fits into the same reason that that Bruce Banner and Punisher fit into the movie so well. Is because they both like all three of them have similarities with like P what not only Peter Peter's like story like Like recent story and like, you know, losing his aunt and no way home and losing all of his friends and everything. ⁓ but he's j ⁓ like with within the story of this movie, there's so many things that relate, like you know, just him being ⁓ on his own and like like just like Punisher is on his own and like they have a conversation about that, which was a really good scene as well, with with Frank just being like, You think you think I this is a lifestyle? You think I I'm I'm doing this because it's fun? ⁓ And and then and then the same thing with Bruce Banner, ⁓ about how about just the whole thing about evolution and him trying to or him trying to like ⁓ contain ⁓ you know, his his DNA that, you know, he can't really control. That that that, you know, made a lot of and w okay, while we're on that while we're on that, let's talk about this whole inhibitor chip thing because we're not gonna act like we're not gonna sit here and act like Bruce Banner and ⁓ Peter Parker didn't just collab on on on a mutant f ⁓ a a mutant collar that can shut down their powers. So speaker-1: What is that mean? Exactly what just happened. It's cause and we know what that means for inhibitors for and with mutants. And now you know it's only time because Spidey's that mutate. So Yeah, he's not a mutant. He's a mutate. So it seems that like, you know, hopefully we don't get a dystopian, dystopic type of view of it. But like, you know, we s we know we're we know we can, especially with the Sentinels and Secret Wars and all that. Like that's gonna be able to we can see h how this c some of this stuff can play into it, but like as far as like the inhibitors ⁓ technology goes, 'cause I think we're definitely gonna see it come back and them try to use it on stronger people. speaker-0: Mm-hmm. ⁓ for sure, for sure. speaker-1: 'Cause especially the universal one that was supposedly able to work from the Hulk except his thin skin was too thick. Yeah. So theoretically if Bruce put it on, he might not have we not not we might not have even got Savage Hulk. speaker-0: Facts. It's crazy that Peter was able to I mean I guess he got it from Bruce Banner's design, but P Peter was able to take an inhibitor bracelet that the Hulk's been using for years and turn it into this small little chip that can literally s fix his problem the same way, just like, you know, that much smaller. In his in his broke ass apartment he built that jump and it's like come on now that's speaker-1: Well it was and the Punisher's ⁓ shipping can shipping house. Ship house. speaker-0: Man, that was great. What a moment when he was just like Frank not like he's just trying to get Frank off his back. He's just try like s just stay out of this, you know, protect her, do what I do what I ask you to. And he's just like, Why would you have those tool why would you have any of the tools I need? And then they're just like bombs, like of c speaker-1: Of course. speaker-0: What do you mean? It's the Punisher. Yeah, that's another thing that I really liked, ⁓ was the dynamic between Frank and Peter was like probably my favorite dynamic or probably okay, one of one of my two favorite dynamics in the whole movie, just because like you can liter like and you we ⁓ we know we all know like ⁓ behind the scenes, like John Brenthal and Tom Holland helped themselves audition for their MCU roles back in the day. So like, you know, they're tight. They speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Like big brother, little brother relationship and like it bleeds through in this movie so well. So well. Like the back and forth, the the Staten Island joke that just that you know that kept coming back was speaker-1: Exactly. Him him carrying them into the hospital and then wearing the mask so he could just leave and just being like speaker-0: Bro, that killed me, that killed me because not only did we see like from the outside, you know, and we know it's Punisher under the suit, but then we see the in-the-room view and we hear him doing his little Punisher grunt. ⁓ speaker-1: Bro, it was hilarious. It it was hilarious. Like there's no reason for it to be that funny, but it was. speaker-0: Nah, like that was that that was classic. That was speaker-1: And then him and Ned at the end. speaker-0: Man, ⁓ the handshake, just the muscle memory of the hand we've all been there before. Anybody who has a a friend, a bro, ⁓ you know, a girl that you handshake. Yeah, it it don't matter sometimes it don't matter how long it's been since you've seen that person, you just start to do that first little piece of the handshake and then the rest just just just it just flows. And so it it's speaker-1: A brother don't matter. It's flows. speaker-0: It's a power greater than magic, one might say. So I That that moment really hit for me. Another moment that really hit for like just everything with like the which it's ⁓ also another thing going in I was kinda worried about was just that like one how is this spell gonna work like because you know we've kind of been asking questions about how the spell works since No Way Home came out. ⁓ and also like is it too soon to bring back Ned and MJ? Like I wanted to see him sad, a little miserable, being on his own, and like we got that. We really got that. even though they were in the movie and we saw him interact with them with in within the movie, they still didn't remember him. So like the distance was there and the distance was still present. but I don't know. It w the the the s in my opinion, in this movie we got probably the best Peter and MJ scenes in all of them. And I'm talking when I say in all of them, I'm talking about Raimi movies too. speaker-1: Like Yeah. I and I don't and I I wouldn't even say we had all those great scenes, you know, in in all of those with MJ in regards to MJ because I felt like her character wasn't as deep as this MJ's like in Zendaya. So like and even with Gwen, like just with the f you know, her whole little father arc and stuff and she was still smart as well and at working at Oscorp, like yes, she was a little more depth, but like this MJ has way more depth. And another thing is is that like I think that when it comes to like, you know, those Spider Man. Like when we got his first like, you know, masked lift up kiss, I think might be his first, one of his first, it was actually Gene Gray. Wait speaker-0: What? speaker-1: Which which we we we ain't gonna discuss Gene Gray making out with Peter Parker. The villain but the villain puppeteered her and had to do that. speaker-0: I mean but as you know speaker-1: Just saying. speaker-0: Here's the here's my thing. Here's it's I think it's made unclear. I don't think that it's exactly because like we see when she talks through other people, she's saying the words in real life, right? But like, you know, like for instance, when she's fighting as Scorpion, she's not doing all the same moves that Scorpion's doing, you know, like I at least it how I or okay, perfect, perfect example. When we see the scene with her and her sister in the speaker-1: She but she was Mark. speaker-0: And she's like, I wanna jump to that girl over there, and then she ends up showing her how to hop. She makes the girl wave and like do all this stuff, but like she's not actually doing it. So I think they can make them doing the actions. speaker-1: That's fair. That's you're right. You're right. You're right. So Well no, it doesn't well that's fair too. But says maybe she spots speaker-0: She was still in there. She was still That was probably one of my favorite one of my favorite kind of like twists or like setups of speaker-1: Puppeteering shit. But sh we also have to remember she murdered someone. That guy got hit by a butt. That guy's dead. speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. The from the honestly from the moment in the movie where, you know, Peter's going through like the evolution, he's trying to make the inhibitor and everything, and then he goes down the alley, ⁓ and he's trying to work on the inhibitor and then and then she starts talking to him through all the different people and there's the race to get to MJ. From that moment on, like, that's lean forward lean forward time. Like, it it's lock it that it was time to lock in from there. speaker-1: It was. It is It was. speaker-0: them to go from that right into the scene with MJ on the roof. 'Cause you you i especially in the theater I was watching it in last speaker-1: She was in there the entire time. Cause remember, like from like the moment she the last thing she said she remembered was her at her desk. Meaning she was there the the entire time. That's how he knew ⁓ Metzger lied. But like that meant Gene just was like, Let's see where this goes. speaker-0: I don't no, I don't I mean ⁓ yeah for sure for sure for sure 'cause like ⁓ I mean ooh man here's the question though here's my question right I mean maybe it was answered because we get the line ⁓ the line from Jean when she's in MJ's body where she's like, There's not a single thought about you in here, da da da Which burned, by the way, burned. But is that because I mean, okay, obviously it's because of the spell, like, but when she was when she hopped into MJ's mind, could she see any of the memories with Peter? Like, do you think they were buried somewhere? Or do you think do you think they're just gone? speaker-1: Nah, I think they're gone. Yeah. I I think the way like the magic spell don't work like, you know, like I think it's pretty permanent. I mean like it wouldn't make sense for them to be buried away than a telepath to be able to like 'cause then that would have to be considered magic in itself. Here's the For a telepath to unbury your memory. speaker-0: That's facts, that's facts. I guess true. But I but that's the thing, if it's buried I feel like that's something a telepath should be able to do 'cause they can speaker-1: Right, but I that's why I'm saying I don't think it is buried because y like I think it's just permanently gone. Because like even still after the fact, after she reads the note all that, she still's like, I don't love you. speaker-0: ⁓ you think okay, true, you think it No facts, facts. Which speaker-1: Can you swing me home though? speaker-0: One whammy after the other and ⁓ my god like that scene l and literally this is the just the smallest thing, but that scene where he's swinging her home after she read the letter and finds out, you know, in like what's going on but doesn't remember. I mean, facts. I mean but if he if if she if she saw the top and it just said MJ or something, she could have thought he left it there for her, you know what I mean? speaker-1: Invasion of privacy, by the way. This is true, which is what she said. speaker-0: What I was gonna say is that in the scene after that where he's swinging her home, like the difference between when he's swinging with her to Frank's and he's like, you know, he's still trying he's still trying to speaker-1: Her head is behind his head the entire time. speaker-0: Not even that. I'm talking about in Tom's performance, like when he's swinging her to Frank's, you know, he obviously he or okay okay, three po First when he's swinging her, not knowing that it's Gene, he's like still getting the hang of his webs, his new webs, so he's like, Webb, stop, or web release. Webb, yeah, and he's all like, you know, he's he's locked in. Great, like great little part of the performance. Second time, when he's going to Frank's, he's taking her to Frank's, you know, he's reassuring her. ⁓ like and she you can tell she doesn't remember because she swung before, but she's acting like she's never swung before. Type. And then the third time, my favorite time, after he she asked her to ⁓ she asked him to bring her a home. ⁓ You can tell just in his physicality of how he's doing the web. One, he's so sick that he doesn't even need to focus about the web release anymore. He doesn't even need to do that. Two, he's so sick, not only is he silent, but just the way the physicality and the way that he's like shooting out the web, he's he's like, you can tell he's tight. He's like and then he does like a quick kind of release with like an attitude. speaker-1: Like it You can feel it ⁓ There was there was tension definitely in there, especially he she's not looking at him and then he is like alright well and then she invites him up and then it gets better But you know where they look like best friends kinda like the fucking message speaker-0: You can feel it! Scenes in the movie by far. Because like, obviously, like it's one thing just to see Ned and Peter being able to like build Legos again, quote movies again, like all the stuff that we were used to them doing for three movies. But then when Ned leaves and she flips the notepad around and it's and it's just her and it's her drawing them him with the mask off. Just take me out back, bro. speaker-1: Just take me out back. You've had enough old yellow style, how do you want it? speaker-0: I've had enough. Like For real, just my God, bruh. I d I don't know I don't know what else you're trying to do to me. Like you're you're you're tearing me apart here. I that's speaker-1: It's pretty good though. Like I I I thought they did a really good job with that. Like that's one of those things where I they got like, you know, in my boxes they got like, you know, some eights or some nines or some tens in those categories because, you know, you you bandaged up and made him feel a little bit more whole and us as the audience also was able to really kinda receive that as well, you know. Mm-hmm. Or we wanted them wanted that for him even away. But and I feel like, you know, we b I think we talk we talk touched on the Hulk, but I think we had like just like how we kinda talked about him in the in this during this ⁓ episode, ⁓ he's had the right amount of screen time. Per it was like perfect amount where you're like, ⁓ this is a true Hulk rage out. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, and from like the moment he even pulls up to Empire State to see him like giving the lecture and to ask him about the inhibitor and stuff, ⁓ it just you know, it makes sense that that would be the next move or the next place for him to go. It's just, you know, why like he ⁓ obviously we know that he knows Doctor Banner and we know that Doctor Banner doesn't know who he is, but ever but but which also brings me to the Hulk fight, you know, which just pound for pound great stuff from you know So Punisher showing up and like you know just trying to trying to be trying to be there to help but he's like clearly kind of He's lit he's coming in here doing the Punisher scream giving shots ⁓ headshots ⁓ to the face speaker-1: Cool out of his way. He was giving him some some mean headshots though. speaker-0: Primal scream and it's just not doing anything like like it's a you know and then literally ⁓ the back and forth between him and him and Spidey throughout the whole fight, like speaker-1: Just pissin' him off, Frank. Stop it! Hilarious. And then it was even funnier that Punisher got mobbed by by freaking Gene. Like she's like, he she looks at him and goes, This guy's not right. ⁓ yeah. Like this one has a few things wrong with him. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ I was I I ⁓ yeah, ⁓ yeah. Got a few a few ⁓ a few fuses. speaker-1: Like but I I can't imagine her holding him i and being in that head long and willingly holding on to that. speaker-0: I mean, shoot, she's she what she how many how many mines she been through now? Scorpion, Punisher, Hulk, like she probably seen some shit. She's probably seen some shit. ⁓ but ⁓ the it was just great to see Raging Hulk again. Like and even from from the trailers from the trailers we knew we were gonna get it and we knew what it look what it was gonna look like but just seeing it on the screen was like what I've been waiting for since he got his ass whooped in Infinity. That's the last time we've seen this dude is crazy. Somebody needs to get smacked at Marvel for that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. speaker-1: No, literally and like. But it's it's not wrong because like there's no reason for us to have Smart Hulk like because especially where we had like Mark Ruffalo do Savage Hulk anyways. Like and I felt like his Savage Hulk was really good and for them not to be using it more, instead of just he's basically Smart Hulk. Like which is basically no always a Doctor Banner, never a a you know, a Hulk. Like, I feel like Now again, I feel like that could lead us to World War Hulk. Because Hulk is pissed that he did that. So I I can see how that works. Because if we get that, World War Hulk will probably be the one of the best top Marvin movies ever to be seen by Hulk fans. Because y if you know anything about that storyline, like it's insane. Because we now know Hulk has a son. We know that. Exactly. So who's the mob? speaker-0: Not mentioned in this movie, but it did need to be speaker-1: But who's the mom? And does the US government kill him? Kill cause that's how it works. Like I I think they some government someone kills his family. And my man lost it. And that's how we get World Breaker Hulk. Essentially some they kill his family and my man turns into a World War Hulk. Or World Breaker Hulk. Something like that. Like that's where he gets down in that line because he basically is like, Alright, I'm gonna one shot every all of you And everybody's trying to stop him. And speaker-0: World War Hop. speaker-1: No, it just doesn't work like that. speaker-0: Yeah. If maybe if Universal can stop stop being children over there and and keep get their greasy paws off of the Hulk, we can get a h a solo movie finally. speaker-1: Which hasn't been done since Norton Norton? ⁓ speaker-0: Yep, since Norton has yeah. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: That's a shame. That's a shame. But I really like that 'cause I I I was kinda theorizing that the reas like, you know, if Sadie was Gene Gray, then maybe, you know, maybe the reason that he goes Savage Hulk is because he's it she's in his mind. And I'm glad that like we got it distinguished that like she was yes, she was in his mind at first as Smart Hulk. But when he went Savage Hulk, it's cause she fucked up his mind and messed up the connection. It wasn't because she was in speaker-1: He can't keep he could you know keep him at bay. speaker-0: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And and she p I don't know if if she could keep him at bay either. Like like thinking back to Age of Ultron, when Scarlet Witch ⁓ you know enchanted him. She was never really controlling him, she just did kinda did something similar in setting off this magic thing in his mind that made him go crazy. ⁓ but speaker-1: Is that controlling him? speaker-0: I don't think that's controlling him, I think that's just planting a seed. speaker-1: You just basically pulled the pin and a in a grenade and just goes like here, go in that direction. speaker-0: Exactly, exactly. but yeah, then s we know after the fight we s or actually okay, before the fight wraps up, we see, you know, Hulk's about to crush Peter's head and then Peter looks at him and goes, It's Peter. Yeah Yeah, I felt that. I really felt that. speaker-1: It's me It's me peered. I felt that. I was like, damn man. He said, Please don't kill me. speaker-0: I thought I I I thought it would've been perfect in that moment for him to ⁓ maybe it would have been too much. Maybe I'm just you know, but i whatever. But I think it would have been perfect if he would just would have like Peter or something like that. Like like he like he might remember or something, like I don't know. I don't know. speaker-1: No, I like I thought of that too like like what if like smart Hulk like the magic didn't work on him. Or no I mean didn't work on Hulk. Yeah. And and that's why he remembered versus him just or I don't know, maybe that's what happened. But if we did get it got some type of confirmation, I th I feel like that would de would have definitely been one of the like good things that they could have done. So I agree with you there. I definitely agree with you there. For sure. And so we speaker-0: ⁓ speaker-1: Post credit scene? speaker-0: ⁓ before before we get there, ⁓ Yelena. We haven't talked about Yelena yet. speaker-1: ⁓ I thought that was pretty funny. I've seen your belly button now. You're not as modest as you think. Now speaker-0: Or the when he like you could see it coming as soon as a as as the scene started, but when he walked out of the stall in the towel and the mask, like it was it like that's just like speaker-1: Classic that was funny. That was funny. I felt like she she did a good job. ⁓ I felt like she could have been in the movie more, but I felt like for what she was doing that was perfect. Because it's more of like whole cameo scenes of her just in the bath and then her also in the bath because that's her office. So which was pretty cool. speaker-0: Her office, yep, yep. Such a such a Yelena thing to to be doing. Like she's nah, she ain't got a a big old nice fancy office in in the new Avengers Tower or in the Watchtower. She's just in this in this Russian bathhouse that's just that's buried in some neighborhood, like speaker-1: You know what's crazy? I feel like there are a few of those somewhere and we just have to find them. Like I don't know where they're at. I know P Pittsburgh might have one, but I feel like in Atlanta there could be something like that and we just don't know. James's bat house on some stuff like that. Like James's ⁓ speaker-0: I mean shit. Yeah, yeah for real. ⁓ Shout out James's room. Shout out James room. If you know, you know. but ⁓ also it when they're sitting in the ⁓ they're like they're soaking and stuff and she's telling him about something and then he just puts his toes up, you see his toes. speaker-1: Like That was geeky. That was funny. ⁓ my god. That was Spider-Man-esque though. Like I felt like that was something a Spider-Man would do. I feel like a lot of the other Spider-Mans aren't as kid slash goofy like Peter is, or like to ⁓ Thomas. speaker-0: No, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. ⁓ okay, now let's talk about post-credit scene. We got one post credit scene came up on the stage. Which I I respected and a pr and ⁓ kind of appreciated because like I think it's I I I think they do us dirty more when they just give us one post-credit scene midway through the credits and then nothing after the credits versus the Yeah, thing yeah, then give it or like a joke one at the end. Like I'd rather wait that long for some dumb shit than you give us like something early and then me thinking there's gonna be more and then there's not more, if that makes any sense. And maybe that's just a personal thing. speaker-1: Like it w if they were able to instead of doing that, like if they do the Doomsday credit with, you know, let's say they the X Men and credit scene where they do the same thing where Doom sh pops up on, you know, the Fox X-Men. Like, it would suck more to g it would be nice to get something like that, but it would suck to get something, you know, in the beginning and then get nothing in the end. Versus like, you know, something silly at the end, which is still fun. But this one was looking silly at first and it was ⁓ for real. speaker-0: You almost have me. You al you really have me in the first half. I was about to speaker-1: Once we go off planet, cause I was like all right, how does this tie to Doomsday? Because I'm like, this is Doomsday, it's a Spidey Tracker app, it's gonna tell us where he's at. And then he wasn't moving and I was like, damn. And then he moved and I was like, okay, bet, he's off planet. speaker-0: I started zooming out. ⁓ speaker-1: That can be Fantastic Ford, that could be Guardians of the Galaxy, that could be a whole bunch of different people. speaker-0: I'm think okay, 'cause okay, where where my mind went first was it's gotta be like It's gotta somehow tie into like it would perfectly make sense if, you know, w after the you know, Fantastic Four post-credit scene or Thunderbolt's post credit scene, we see Fantastic Four pull up or pulling up to Earth eight two eight. And so after seeing the Doomsday trailer, we see that they've they've got the Wakandins. With the Wakanins and the new Aveng cause thing is with the Wakandins, but everybody else is with the new Avengers and ⁓ Thor and and and ⁓ and and the the old Avengers too, Sam Wilson's Avengers. ⁓ ⁓ so we see that from the trailer. So it would make sense if we know that the Fantastic Four are gonna pull up, the Avengers are probably gonna or the new Avengers are probably gonna meet up with them and see what the deal is. Now we know that Yelena has a plug to Spidey, she could call him up and be like, hey, Thor was talking mad shit on this roster. We need one more. Come on. Come on, bro. He said he said all of us combined couldn't even couldn't even make him feel the fear that this man is feeling. So like, come on. That that's what I I don't know. I don't know. That's how I see it now. But I can see that happening. speaker-1: I could see that. See that happen. That's funny. I could definitely see that happen. speaker-0: Yeah, but I but okay and I'm thinking that's pro like that's in my mind that's like my strongest theory as to where it could be leading but then my own the only thing that makes me question that the only thing and Jules we talked about this off camera why at the end were there glitches reminiscent of the Spider-Verse movies. Cause I'm sorry. We've seen other multiverse, you know, other Spider-Man stuff in the MCU, but never through means of a visual glitch. That is only Spider-Verse Canon. So it makes more sense to be leading up to Doomsday, but why would you show us that if speaker-1: I wonder too and like as I said too, like it could be them just trying to throw people off the scent, get people con like confuse people, whatever, you know, it could have been a mistake and that nobody caught since it was the last credit, but more than likely no, it's more than likely something. But because I know the t well wait, wait, wait, wait. The TVA, Loki, he glitched. speaker-0: Hmm. Hmm. ⁓ when he was like time hopping? speaker-1: Yes, slipping. speaker-0: Time slipping, yeah. Time slipping. ⁓ but okay, he was glitching, but it was more of like like the spider people like literally like g like I'm but it was pretty similar. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna ⁓ you're right. You're right. It's very similar. I don't know. speaker-1: Like 'cause like I think it's more a hint of like maybe he Spidey gets picked up by Loki. That's what I think. It could be that. speaker-0: Okay, okay, we're we we're keeping the train rolling here. Let's say that's the case. What what if they the the the original cause like we like Elena established in this movie, New Avengers big potato, Spider-Man Small Potato, right? So maybe she doesn't even think to call this dude. They go off to fight Doom or whatever. Loki being at the chair in the center of time, being the god of stories, who has to speaker-1: No you're you're integral. speaker-0: Yeah, exact. Ma maybe, maybe Spider Man in the MCU is an anchor bean. And maybe they need they like I and I don't know I don't know speaker-1: I think you're right. I think he is our anchor being. I think he's our anchor being. speaker-0: That could that could be crazy. That I mean and I don't who who even knows if anchor beings, you know, from Deadpool and Wolverine. speaker-1: That would make sense. He has he he has the more t more movies on the table that could be signed for still. And yeah, dude, I think he's the anchorbane. It can't be Deadpool. speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, we know it's not I mean he's not even from our universe. Nope, probably not. I mean it's probably not Thor. It's probably not Thor. speaker-1: Anything. It is definitely not a wolverine 'cause we don't have one. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. But the only other person I could see it being in the NCU is maybe like Iron Man or something. speaker-1: Well but he's already dead. speaker-0: But I know, but what if he since he's already dead, maybe that I don't know, I'm just I'm just spitballing here. But like what if that is like part of why Doomsday is coming is because we lost our anchor being. But I don't I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Okay, ⁓ so yeah, now that Doomsday talks out the way. Jules do you have any last minute thoughts, ⁓ you know, praises, questions, concerns about brand new day before we wrap it up here? speaker-1: My praises, you know, great performance by every cast member. ⁓ only thing that I didn't really necessarily like, but like I thought it was cool was that like, you know, we got to see all of those villains, but like only really Scorpion more so as a as a main villain. That was one of his, you know, Sinister Six or if you will. And I thought that, you know, the tombstone cameo it it was more like a cameo for tombstone and excuse me, all the rest of them. speaker-0: Definitely. speaker-1: But other than that, no, I thought it was a great movie. How about you? speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, final thoughts. ⁓ you know, this this is probably ⁓ maybe it's recency bias right now. Ask me in a few months, few weeks maybe. But this is as of now, this is probably my favorite Spider-Man movie. Because I I I watched Spider-Man 2 earlier this week and that's probably that's like number one. Just talking live action, that's talk that's probably at the top of the list for me. But after watching this, this is either neck and neck with that or it's just a hair above it. Just because like there's so much, there's so many spider isms that are taken from all the other not all just all the other movies but the PS4 game like all you know everything all this stuff and like I I I swear maybe we'll come we'll make a TikTok just like breaking down all the the isms from ⁓ speaker-1: Especially once it comes on streaming services. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah, we're not new rock stars. Shout out to new rock stars. We're not gonna be be finding, you know, a million different things in these breakdowns, but like just it's it it's so evident from just like a single watch, ⁓ like you know, how much this this stuff s shines through from the other movies and is inspired. So, you know, we would love to do that in some way. ⁓ yeah, but yeah, the only problem like I said earlier in the in the ⁓ review ⁓ that I really had was I felt like there was a lot of exposition and like, you know, kinda even even though When Gene came in, we kind of had to get more for her because it was a flashback and because her identity was so delayed. I just kept felt like feeling like they kept laying stuff on me when, like, you know, they they laid up they let enough on us in the beginning, and it's time to get the ball rolling. Like, let's let you know, let's go. But as a Spidey fan, there's just enough like you know, Marvel, you know, Marvel stuff like world stuff going on that I was, you know, that that didn't really stick out to me in in a super negative way. way ⁓ but if I had to nitpick or complain that would probably be it but but yeah so another great entry into the MCU as of now letterbox it's it it's sitting at a 4.2 letterbox average rating which is the highest score for an for not not just an MCU film a Marvel film ever ever that's the highest letterbox score of all time so we'll see if it's six there ⁓ speaker-1: What did the Jeff say? Absolute cinema. Absolute cinema. speaker-0: Exactly. Absolutely. Jules, take us home. Take us home. speaker-1: Alright guys, if you haven't seen the movie, get out there and seen it. You know, keeping your eyes out for lanterns and everything else that's coming out very soon. ⁓ Boon and Doomsday. Always gonna be covering. ⁓ and if you haven't seen the Odyssey yet, ⁓ they're keeping IMAX in till September 16th, I think. So get out there and go ahead and go to the movies. Please see it on IMAX. It's way worth it. You want to follow us? We're on TikTok at Concession Stand Podcast and on YouTube at Concession Stand Podcast 11 or 42, Nick. 11. Concession stand podcast 11 for YouTube and Concession Stand Podcast just that on TikTok. You guys have a great day. speaker-0: Peace. It's a brand new day.