Latest / The Epstein Chronicles / Mega Edition: Virginia Roberts Responds To Maxwell's Summary Judgement Request (Part 7-9) (6/7/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 0:04In this episode, we're going to continue talking about the
- 0:07Virginia Roberts response to Glenn Maxwell's attempt to get a
- 0:12summary judgment. Number three. Defendant cannot invoke the pre litigation
- 0:18privilege because she has no claim for good faith litigation. Finally,
- 0:23defendant cannot prevail in asserting this qualified privilege because in
- 0:27order to invoke this privilege, she must have a Meredith
- 0:31claim for good faith anticipated litigation. Khalil specifically states that
- 0:36for the qualified privilege to apply, the statements must be
- 0:40made pertinent to a good faith anticipated litigation, and it
- 0:43does not protect attorneys asserting holly unmeridith claims unsupported in
- 0:48law and fact in violation of Council's ethical obligations. Khalil,
- 0:54twenty four and y Dot three d at seven eighteen
- 0:57seven twenty Defendant has neither Emeritis claim nor good faith
- 1:02anticipated litigation. Defendant cannot have a EMEREDITHS claim for good
- 1:07faith anticipation litigation against the press or Miss Roberts because
- 1:12Miss roberts reports of her sexual abuse are true. Defendant
- 1:15knows that they are true, and Defendant made a knowingly
- 1:18false statement when she called Miss Roberts a liar. Under
- 1:21these circumstances, defendant has no claim to make in good
- 1:25faith relating to either Miss Roberts's statements or their coverage
- 1:29in the press, thereby making her defamatory statements wholly outside
- 1:33the protection of this qualified privilege. At the very least,
- 1:37the issue of whether defendant has claims against the press
- 1:41on the grounds that she did not abuse Miss Roberts
- 1:44is a question of fact for the jury to decide.
- 1:47Number five. Defendant has not and cannot show that her
- 1:51defamatory statement is substantially true. Defendant's next claims that her
- 1:56press release calling Miss Roberts a liar about her past
- 1:59second abuse was somehow substantially true. Here again, this is
- 2:03a highly disputed claim on its face. To determine whether
- 2:07it's substantially true or not requires extensive fact finding, such
- 2:11as weather defendant recruited Miss Roberts as a minor child
- 2:14for sex with defendants live in boyfriend and convicted pedophile
- 2:18Jeffrey Epstein. Accordingly, some rejudgment is not appropriate. See Metre
- 2:23Sports International Limited versus Home Box Office Incorporated, twenty two
- 2:28f Dot supp Dot three D two forty two fifty
- 2:32five SDNY twenty fourteen, denying some rejudgment because it would
- 2:38require the court to decide disputed facts to determine whether
- 2:42the statement at issue was substantially true. The Silver versus
- 2:46Time Incorporated nine oh eight f one eighty four, one
- 2:50eighty seven sdn Y nineteen ninety five, denying motion for
- 2:54some rejudgment because there was a genuine issue of material
- 2:57act as to whether defamatory photo and caption were not true.
- 3:01Stating in the instant case of the Silva's contention that
- 3:05she was a reform prostitute at the time of photography
- 3:08and publication provides a rational basis upon which a FactFinder
- 3:12could conclude that the photograph was not substantially true. Additionally,
- 3:18defendant has remarkably not submitted any evidence that she did
- 3:22not recruit Miss Roberts for sex with Epstein. Nora's defendant
- 3:26offered any evidence that her role in Epstein's household was
- 3:29not to recruit girls and young women for Jeffrey Epstein. Accordingly,
- 3:34some rejudgment is inappropriate. Ce Stern versus Cosby six forty
- 3:38five f two d two fifty eight two seventy seven
- 3:42SDNY two thousand and nine, because defendant had not submitted
- 3:46any evidence to show that statement eleven is substantially true,
- 3:50her motion for some rejudgment as to statement eleven is denied. Further,
- 3:55much of the purported evidence upon which defendant relies to
- 3:59allege the truth of her defamatory statement is merely hearsay,
- 4:03including inadmissible hearsay statements made by Alan Dershowitz, who defendant
- 4:08did not depose in this case and whom Miss Roberts
- 4:11has not had the opportunity to cross examine. Hearsay cannot
- 4:15establish the truth of a defamatory statement as a matter
- 4:18of law at some rejudgment Lopez versus Univision Communications Incorporated.
- 4:23Forty five f Dot two dot D three forty eight
- 4:27three fifty nine SDNY, nineteen ninety nine, denying some rejudgment
- 4:32and holding Defendant's evidence as to what they were told
- 4:35by representatives of NYU and Keene College to the extent
- 4:39offered for the truth of the matters asserted, is admissible
- 4:42hearsay and an insufficient basis upon which to grant some
- 4:46rejudgment of dismissal on the grounds that the statements were
- 4:50substantially true. Finally, Many of the facts upon which Defendant
- 4:54bases her argument that her defamatory statement was true are
- 4:58a wholly clim aimes made against Miss Roberts and the
- 5:01defamatory statement. For example, Defendant supports her contention that she
- 5:06did not recruit Miss Roberts for sex with Epstein based
- 5:08on the fact that Miss Roberts lived independently of her
- 5:11parents before meeting Epstein and Maxwell. Of course, the child
- 5:15outside the supervision of her parents makes it much more
- 5:19likely she would be recruited by defendant into sex trafficking,
- 5:23but that is for the jury to decide. The fact
- 5:26does not go to whether or not the defendant statement
- 5:29calling Miss Roberts a liar is true because Miss Roberts
- 5:32never made any claims relating to where she lived prior
- 5:35to meeting defendant. Moreover, it is immaterial with whom she
- 5:40was living. The fundamental and overarching fact remains that defendant
- 5:44recruited Miss Roberts for sex with Epstein when she was
- 5:47a minor child. Defendant next proffers Miss roberts limited high
- 5:51school enrollment and short term jobs that she held as
- 5:55evidence that she and Epstein did not abuse her. The
- 5:58logic of this position is unclear. The fact that Miss
- 6:01Roberts worked at Taco Bell for a few days hardly
- 6:04establishes she was not abused by defendant and Epstein. Indeed,
- 6:08if anything, it shows the vulnerability of Miss Roberts to
- 6:11enticements that a billionaire and is wealthy and powerful girlfriend
- 6:15could offer. In any event, what to make of such
- 6:18fact is something for the jury to consider. They are
- 6:21irrelevant for the same reason as above, Miss Roberts never
- 6:25made any claims about her studies or her prior employment. Indeed,
- 6:29neither Miss Robert's statement about being recruited by defendant as
- 6:33a child, nor defendants refusion even mentions Miss roberts lack
- 6:38of schooling or a lack of a stable home as
- 6:41a child, purported facts that have nothing to do with
- 6:44Miss roberts claims of sexual abuse against the defendant and
- 6:48nothing to do with the defendant calling Miss Roberts a
- 6:50liar for such claims, and they do not establish the
- 6:54substantial truth of the defendant statement. Tellingly, defendant sites to
- 6:59no case in any jurisdiction that even suggests otherwise. Six
- 7:04Plaintiff does not need to establish malice for her defamation claim,
- 7:08but in the event, the court rules otherwise, there is
- 7:11more than sufficient record evidence for a reasonable jury to
- 7:14determine defendant acted with actual malice. Defendants next, and again
- 7:19quite a remarkable argument is that Miss Roberts somehow will
- 7:22be unable to establish actual malice in this case. One
- 7:27would think that a sex trafficker calling one of her
- 7:29victims a liar would be quintessential example of actual malice.
- 7:33Defendant spurious case citations and misplaced argument do not detract
- 7:38from this core e fact. Though defendant does not mention
- 7:41the legal standard for actual malice until she is forty
- 7:44eight pages into her sixty eight page brief, the legal
- 7:48definition of actual malice, as defined by the United States
- 7:51Supreme Court and reiterated by the Second Circuit, should be
- 7:55the light by which all of defendants purported facts and
- 7:59argument should be viewed. Actual malice means that a statement
- 8:02was published with knowledge and the statement was false or
- 8:06with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.
- 8:10Biola versus Disson six oh seven f appx eighteen, twenty
- 8:15Second Circuit twenty fifteen, quoting New York Times Company versus
- 8:19Sullivan three seventy six US two fifty four two eighty
- 8:24eighty four Supreme Court, eleven L. Dot ed Dot two D.
- 8:28Six eighty six, nineteen sixty four. Defendant argues that Miss
- 8:32Roberts is a limited purpose public figure, while Miss Roberts
- 8:35disputes that claim. The issue is entirely irrelevant here because
- 8:39Miss Roberts will prove at trial with overwhelming evidence that
- 8:43Defendant mad hers statement calling Miss Roberts a liar with malice,
- 8:47fully knowing as a sex trafficker, that it was false.
- 8:51Put another way, defendant knew that Miss Roberts was telling
- 8:54the truth when she described how defendant recruited her for
- 8:58sex as an underage girl and n and sexually traffickedor
- 9:01with her then boyfriend, Jeffrey Epstein. The Second Circuit instructs
- 9:06that on a motion for some rejudgment, a court cannot
- 9:09try issues of fact. It can only determine whether there
- 9:12are issues to be tried. If, as to the issue
- 9:15on which some rejudgment is sought, there is any evidence
- 9:18in the record from any source from which a reasonable
- 9:21inference could be drawn in favor of the non moving party,
- 9:25some rejudgment is improper. Chambers versus TRM Copy Centers Corporation
- 9:31forty three f Dot three D twenty nine thirty seven,
- 9:35Second Circuit, nineteen ninety four. As the moving party, Defendants
- 9:40have the burden of demonstrating an absence of clear and
- 9:43convincing evidence substantiating Plaintiff's claims. The soul versus Knoedler Gallery LLC.
- 9:49One thirty nine F Dot supp Dot three D six
- 9:53eighteen six forty sdn Y twenty fifteen. Citing Chambers, defendant
- 9:58fails demeter burden of demonstrating an absence of clear and
- 10:02convincing evidence substantiating Miss Roberts' claims that defendant acted with
- 10:07actual malice. Miss Roberts will easily be able to meet
- 10:11any trial burden of clear and convincing evidence of actual
- 10:14malice telling Lee, defendant does not even attempt to address
- 10:18the documentary evidence nor the testimonial evidence showing she was
- 10:22a recruiter of girls for Epstein as shown above, far
- 10:27beyond showing that a reasonable inference could be drawn in
- 10:30her favor, which is all that is required at this
- 10:33point to defeat defendant's motion. Miss Roberts will easily be
- 10:37able to meet her trial burden of clear and convincing
- 10:40evidence of actual malice. Of course, a plaintiff need only
- 10:43show actual malice on the part of a defendant if
- 10:46that plaintiff is a public figure or a limited public figure,
- 10:50which Miss Roberts is not. As explained Infra. All right,
- 10:55we're going to wrap up right there, and in the
- 10:57next episode we're going to pick up where we left
- 10:59off with Part seven. The court need not reach the
- 11:03issue at this time of whether Miss Roberts is a
- 11:06limited purpose public figure. All of the information that goes
- 11:09with this episode can be found in the description box.
- 11:13What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 11:18In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
- 11:20left off with Virginia Roberts and her response to gland
- 11:23Maxwell's attempt to get a summary judgment. So let's dive
- 11:27right back in part number seven. The court need not
- 11:31reach the issue at this time of whether Miss Roberts
- 11:34is a limited purpose public figure. For the reasons just explained,
- 11:38Miss Roberts will easily be able to prove actual malice
- 11:42at the trial. In this case, defendant argues that Miss
- 11:46Roberts is a public figure who must prove actual malice
- 11:50MSJ at forty nine. Given the overwhelming proof of the
- 11:54second part of the statement, the Court need not spend
- 11:57time considering the first. If the Court wished two nonetheless
- 12:01consider the issue at this time, it is not appropriate
- 12:04for disposition. At the summary judgment stage of the case.
- 12:08The defendant bears the burden of demonstrating that the plaintiff
- 12:11is a limited purpose public figure. C Luhmann versus Flint
- 12:17Distribution Company, seven forty five F. Dot two, d one
- 12:20twenty three, one thirty six through one thirty seven, Second Circuit.
- 12:25Nineteen eighty four. Defendant correctly articulates the legal test for
- 12:30finding that a plaintiff is a limited purpose public figure,
- 12:33but losses over the fact that all prongs of the
- 12:36test must be met in order for a court to
- 12:38make that finding. Cee e g. Contemporary Mission Incorporated versus
- 12:43New York Times Company, eight forty two F. Dot two
- 12:46D six twelve six seventeen, Second Circuit. Nineteen eighty eight.
- 12:51This Court set forth a four part test for determining
- 12:54whether someone is a limited purpose public figure Herbert versus Lando,
- 12:59five ninety six F. Dot supp eleven seventy eight, eleven
- 13:04eighty six, sdn Y, nineteen eighty four. The second Circuit
- 13:08recently summarized the criteria Affidavid in part revised in part
- 13:13seven eighty one F Dot two D two ninety eight,
- 13:16Second Circuit nineteen eighty six, Nells Versus Hillsdale College, one
- 13:21seventy eight F Dot supp Dot two D seven seventy one,
- 13:26seven seventy eight E Dot D. Michigan, two thousand and one,
- 13:30finding plaintiff was not a limited public figure for failing
- 13:33one element of the Lerman test and thus denying defendant's
- 13:37motion for a summary judgment. The defendant has proven all
- 13:41of the elements but the third Affidavid at sixty five f.
- 13:45Appendix nine eighty four, six Circuit two thousand and three.
- 13:50Of course, proof that Miss Roberts or anyone else is
- 13:53a limited purpose public figure requires proof of a set
- 13:56of facts from which Miss Roberts believes Defendant has not
- 14:00shown in satisfaction of the four part test. Significantly, this
- 14:04Court should pause here to note that the details of
- 14:07Jane Doe number three sexual exploitation and abuse, as anonymously
- 14:12set forth in her cvr A joined her motion, caused
- 14:16the defendant to identify with certainty Jane Doe number three
- 14:20as Miss Roberts, yet at her deposition defendant claim to
- 14:24barely remember her at all. Defendant's ability to immediately and
- 14:28positively identify the anonymous individual making claims of sexual abuse,
- 14:33if anything, shows the defendant was intimately aware of Miss
- 14:37roberts sexual exploitation, and to be sure, Miss Roberts never
- 14:41asked to be sexually abused or trafficked by defendant or
- 14:45the convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein when she was a child.
- 14:49Legally she did not even have the capacity to consent.
- 14:52Defendant cannot recruit a minor child for sexual exploitation and
- 14:56then afterwards argue that her victim injected herself into the
- 15:00public controversy when coming forward about the abuse that she
- 15:04has suffered. Moreover, the defendant has not made a sufficient
- 15:08showing that Miss Roberts has regular and continuing access to
- 15:11the news media. The policy rationale behind this prong is
- 15:15that the public figures generally enjoy significant access to the media.
- 15:20One reporter wrote some articles on Miss Roberts in twenty eleven. Thereafter,
- 15:24it was not until twenty fifteen that Miss Roberts spoke
- 15:28to someone in the news about these issues, and that
- 15:31the interview was granted after the defendant's defamatory remarks. Such
- 15:36limited contacts precludes a finding that Miss Roberts is a
- 15:39limited public figure. See Hutchinson versus Proxmier, four forty three
- 15:44US one eleven, ninety nine. Supreme Court twenty six seventy
- 15:48five sixty one l dot Ed two D four eleven,
- 15:52nineteen seventy nine, finding plaintiff maintained no regular and continuing
- 15:57access to the media and thus was not public figure.
- 16:01It is also unclear how defendant plans to show that
- 16:04Miss Roberts successfully invited public attention to reviews. To be sure,
- 16:09Miss Roberts decided to start Victims Refuse Silence, a not
- 16:13for profit organization whose mission is to change the landscape
- 16:17of the war on Sexual abuse and human trafficking. Our
- 16:21goal is to undertake an instrumental role in helping survivors
- 16:24break the silence associated with sexual abuse. To fulfill this mission,
- 16:29we aim to enhance the lives of women who have
- 16:31been victimized. The website lists the National Trafficking Hotline and
- 16:36provides a state by state resource for local organizations where
- 16:40victims can seek help. Unsurprisingly, defend in sites no cases
- 16:45that hold that maintaining a website makes one a public figure.
- 16:49See Metre Sports International Limited vers Home Box Office Incorporated.
- 16:54Twenty two f DOT supp Dot three D two forty
- 16:58two fifty two SDN one why twenty fourteen, finding plaintiff
- 17:03was not a limited public figure and denying defendant's motion
- 17:06for some rejudgment corporate policy. Denouncing child labor on its
- 17:10website does not show that MITRE aim to influence the
- 17:14public's views on the controversy. More important, defendant does not
- 17:18explain how Miss Roberts was using the website to influence
- 17:22public views on whether she had been abused by defendant,
- 17:25the subject at issue in this lawsuit. Interestingly, Defendant has
- 17:30spent seventeen thousand, eight hundred and seventy five dollars and
- 17:33forty nine cents on an expert witness to tell the
- 17:36court and the jury that hardly anyone searches on the
- 17:39Internet using search terms such as victims, refuse, silence, sex slave.
- 17:44One of the defendants six briefs raising Dawbird issues specifically
- 17:48argues that doctor anderson estimates on the cost of remediating
- 17:53Miss roberts online reputation are improper because doctor Anderson included
- 17:58nearly unused search phrases one of evaluating Internet content can
- 18:02rebuttal report states there seems no reason to believe that
- 18:06such a person would use this item. Indeed, these are
- 18:09terms unlikely to be used by anyone unfamiliar with this litigation. Why,
- 18:14for instance, would it be necessary to push down offending
- 18:17web pages in the results that the search engines provide
- 18:20for the term victims refuse silent sex slave when this
- 18:23term is likely never used CEE McCauley declaration at Exhibit
- 18:28twenty five, can Report at ten thirty three. Defendant cannot
- 18:33argue to the court that Miss Roberts has successfully invited
- 18:37public attention to reviews through her VRS website while simultaneously
- 18:41filing a Daubert motion that argues the search terms such
- 18:45as victims refuse silent sex slave are likely never used,
- 18:49thus making the website unsuccessful and inviting public attention. In
- 18:54any event, Defendant has failed to set forth with precision
- 18:57the allegedly undisputed fact and supporting evidence she uses the
- 19:02support her argument. Moreover, it is preferable to reduce the
- 19:07public figure question to a more meaningful context by looking
- 19:10to the nature and extent of an individual's participation in
- 19:14the particular controversy giving rise to the defamation. Greenberg versus.
- 19:19CBS Incorporated. Sixty nine A Dot d Dot two D
- 19:23six ninety three, seven O four four nineteen nys two
- 19:27D nine eighty eight, nine ninety five, nineteen seventy nine,
- 19:31citing Gertz versus. Robert Welch Incorporated. Four eighteen US three
- 19:36twenty three three forty five three fifty two ninety four.
- 19:39Supreme Court twenty nine ninety seven forty one L. Dot
- 19:43Eed Dot two D seven eighty nine. The context here
- 19:47is highly significant. Miss Roberts never chose to participate in
- 19:51Defendant and Epstein's under age sex ring, a controversy that
- 19:55gave rise to defendant's defamation. In arguing that Miss Roberts
- 19:59thrust herself health into the public spotlight, Defendant conveniently leaves
- 20:03out the fact that it is by her doing that
- 20:06Miss Roberts is in this controversy in the first place,
- 20:09No minor child willingly becomes a participant in sexual abuse,
- 20:14and it is perverse for the abuser to argue that
- 20:17her victim deliberately became a subject of public attention when
- 20:20speaking out about that abuse for the purpose of advancing
- 20:24justice and helping other victims. For all these reasons, the
- 20:28Court should simply decline to decide the public figure issue
- 20:31at this juncture, but if it chooses to reach the issue,
- 20:34it should reject defendant's unsupported argument. Section eight. The January
- 20:40twenty fifteen statement was not substantially true, and Miss Roberts
- 20:45has produced clear and convincing evidence of its falsity. As
- 20:49a final argument, defendant argues that her January twenty fifteen
- 20:53statement was substantially true. Given that the statement argues that
- 20:58Miss Roberts lied when she said she was sexually trafficked
- 21:01by the defendant, the reader of Defendant's motion might reasonably
- 21:05expect to see some evidence presented showing that defendant was
- 21:08not a sex trafficker. Instead, the reader is treated to
- 21:13technical quibbles. For example, the lead argument show the substantial
- 21:17truth of defendant statement is the argument that Miss Roberts
- 21:21was not fifteen years old, but all of sixteen or
- 21:24seventeen years old when she was trafficked. As the Court
- 21:28knows and can take judicial notice of, Florida law makes
- 21:32age eighteen the age of consent. Accordingly, it is no
- 21:36moment that Miss Roberts may have been mistaken about the
- 21:39exact year the sex trafficking started. Call this the yes,
- 21:44I'm a sex trafficker, but only of sixteen year old
- 21:46girl's defense. To even describe the defense is to show
- 21:50how meritless it is. More broadly, at issue are the
- 21:54statements Miss Roberts made regarding Defendant's involvement in and knowledge
- 21:58of the sexual abuse and sex trafficking of Miss Roberts
- 22:02and other minor girls through a recruitment scheme executed by
- 22:06defendant and Jeffrey Epstein. In response to those various statements,
- 22:11Defendant publicly claimed that the allegations made by Miss Roberts
- 22:15against Glen Maxwell are untrue. Defendant continued that Miss roberts
- 22:20claims are obvious lies and should be treated as such. Defendant,
- 22:24through her statement, intended to convey that Miss Roberts was
- 22:28lying about everything she had said against defendant in the allegations.
- 22:33In some an essence, those statements made by Miss Roberts,
- 22:37about which Defendant released a public statement to exclaim were
- 22:40untrue and obvious lies were one. The defendant approached Miss
- 22:45Roberts while Miss Roberts was an underage miner working at
- 22:48mar Alago Country Club and recruited the then minor Miss
- 22:52Roberts to the house of Jeffrey Epstein under the pretense
- 22:56of providing a massage to Jeffrey Epstein for money. Two
- 23:01that Miss Roberts followed Defendant's instructions and was driven to
- 23:04Jeffrey Epstein's house, where she was greeted by defendant and
- 23:07later introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. Three that Miss Roberts was
- 23:12led upstairs to be introduced to Jeffrey Epstein in his bedroom,
- 23:16and while there, Defendant demonstrated how Miss Roberts should provide
- 23:20a massage to Jeffrey Epstein. Four. Defendant and Epstein converted
- 23:25the massage into a sexual experience, requesting that Miss Roberts
- 23:29remover clothing, after which time a sexual encounter was had.
- 23:33Five The defendant and Epstein expressed approval for Miss Roberts
- 23:38and offered her money in exchange for this erotic massage
- 23:41turned full sexual encounter. Six the defendant and Epstein offered
- 23:46Miss Roberts the promise of money and a better life
- 23:49in exchange for Miss Roberts acting sexually compliant and subservient
- 23:53to their demands. Number seven that Miss Roberts, after that
- 23:57first sexual encounter, was repeatedly requested to service Epstein and
- 24:02or defendant sexually or others. Eight that Miss Roberts was
- 24:07taken on Epstein's private planes on numerous occasions and trafficked
- 24:11nationally and internationally for the purpose of servicing Epstein and others,
- 24:15including the defendant, sexually. Number nine The defendant was Epstein's
- 24:20primary manager of the recruitment and training of females who
- 24:24Epstein paid for sexual purposes. Ten Defendant participated in sexual
- 24:29encounters with females, including Miss Roberts, and eleven that Miss
- 24:33Roberts and other recruited females were encouraged by defendant and
- 24:37Epstein to bring other young females to Epstein for the
- 24:40purpose of servicing him sexually. Defendant, by way of her
- 24:45January twenty fifteen statement, declared that Miss Roberts lied about
- 24:49each and every one of these allegations regarding the defendant.
- 24:52In fact, Defendant clarified further this position in her deposition
- 24:56when she said repeatedly that everything Miss Roberts said about
- 24:59the defendant was totally false. The clarification in her deposition
- 25:04is identical in intention to the reasonable interpretation of her
- 25:08statement that defendant made publicly, which has formed the basis
- 25:12of this defamation action, that Miss Roberts was lying about
- 25:15everything she said about the defendant, and that the defendant
- 25:19was not at all involved in this activity that she
- 25:22is accused in engaging in. While her public statement could
- 25:25not have been more clear, as her deposition testimony further underscored,
- 25:29defendant intended the world to believe that nothing Miss Roberts
- 25:33said about the defendant was true and that the defendant
- 25:36was not at all involved with any of the things
- 25:39she was accused of. Defendant has decided in this motion
- 25:43to minutely dissect the nuance of Miss Roberts's various statements
- 25:47to cause the court to reach a far fetched conclusion
- 25:50the defendant insidiously a false statement was somehow substantially true. Ironically,
- 25:55this repositioning amounts to nothing more than an admission by
- 25:59the defendant of the defamatory nature of her statement. All right, folks,
- 26:04we're going to wrap up right there, and in the
- 26:06next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
- 26:10All of the information that goes with this episode can
- 26:12be found in the description box what's up everyone, and
- 26:17welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
- 26:21picking up where we left off with the Virginia Roberts
- 26:24response to glean Maxwell's attempt to get a summary judgment a.
- 26:30When Miss Roberts initially described her encounters with the defendant
- 26:34and Epstein, she mistakenly believed the first encounter occurred during
- 26:38the year nineteen ninety nine. Discovery has resulted in the
- 26:41production of records, including Miss Roberts' employment records from mar
- 26:45A Lago, which she did not possess at the time
- 26:49she was recounting her interactions with a defendant. Those records
- 26:53established that the initial encounter wherein defendant recruited Miss Roberts,
- 26:57occurred during the year two thousand and not nineteen ninety nine.
- 27:01Miss Roberts was sixteen years old before August ninth, two
- 27:05thousand and turned seventeen on that date. It is unclear
- 27:09from the limited records available whether the defendant approached and
- 27:13recruited Miss Roberts before or just after Robert's seventeenth birthday. However,
- 27:18what has now been established through numerous witnesses is that
- 27:22defendant approached and recruited a minor child for the purposes
- 27:25of enticing that miner over to the house of Jeffrey Epstein,
- 27:29a currently registered sex offender. The exact lure of Miss
- 27:33Roberts by defendant enticement of being paid money to give
- 27:37a billionaire a massage at his mansion, was used by
- 27:40Epstein and as many associates and employees to recruit dozens
- 27:44and dozens of other underage girls. There is no doubt
- 27:48that the crux of Miss Robert's statements on this point
- 27:52is that the defendant recruiteder when she was only a
- 27:54minor child unable to consent to sex, not precisely how
- 27:58far under the age of go in sense she was.
- 28:01Defendant's public claim that Miss Roberts account of this approach
- 28:04and recruitment element was untrue and obvious lies is not
- 28:08substantially true, but is itself an obvious lie. As Miss
- 28:13Roberts will approve to the jury trial b defendants January
- 28:18twenty fifteen statement claiming as untrue and an obvious lie,
- 28:22the allegation that she regularly participated in Epstein's sexual exploitation
- 28:27of miners, and that the government knows such fact is
- 28:30not substantially true. But instead completely false. Defendant next argues
- 28:36that she accurately denied that she irregularly participated in Epstein's
- 28:41sexual exploitation on miners, and that the government knows such
- 28:45as a fact ms. Jay at fifty eight. It's not
- 28:48clear whether defendant is nitpicking this statement by contesting whether
- 28:52she regularly participated in Epstein's sexual exploitation or whether she
- 28:57did participate but the government was unaware of the extent
- 29:01of her involvement. Call this the yes, I'm a sex
- 29:04trafficker but only on Tuesdays and Thursday's defense here again,
- 29:09to simply recount the claim is to see its absurdity.
- 29:14Contrary to Defendant's misleading cherry pick fragments of information that
- 29:18she has chosen to use the support her point. There
- 29:21is an abundance of evidence clearly linking defendant to Epstein's
- 29:24sexual exploitation of miners. As the court is aware, numerous
- 29:28message pads were recovered from Epstein's home, indicating Defendant's involvement
- 29:33in and knowledge of Epstein's illegal exploitation. Additionally, numerous employees
- 29:39and others have testified about Defendant's high ranking position in
- 29:43the hierarchical structure. Of the sexual exploitation scheme. In fact,
- 29:47multiple individuals in addition to Miss Roberts, have testified about
- 29:51Maxwell's involvement in the exploitation of miners, including Miss Roberts.
- 29:56Defendant also argues that one government investigator, pom Each Florida
- 30:00Detective riccari may not have been aware of her involvement
- 30:04in the sex trafficking. Defendant felt to cite another passage
- 30:07in Detective Riccariy's deposition where he noted that he was
- 30:11aware of Defendant's involvement with Epstein and the sexual exploitation
- 30:15of children. But even assuming riccary was unaware, which Miss
- 30:20Robert strongly disputes, defendant would have at most a yes,
- 30:24I'm a sex trafficker, but I successfully hit it from
- 30:27one of the cops defense, again not a likely claim.
- 30:31More broadly, Miss Robert's statement about what the government knew
- 30:35about sex trafficking was made in pleadings filed in a
- 30:38federal court case attacking the decision of the U. S.
- 30:41Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida to offer
- 30:44Jeffrey Epstein immunity from prosecution for federal sex trafficking crimes. Accordingly,
- 30:50to present an even arguable claim for some rejudgment, defendant
- 30:55would have to show that the US Attorney's Office and
- 30:58its investigators from the FBI u I did not know
- 31:01about defendant sex trafficking. This proof would need to include,
- 31:04for example, evidence that the FBI did not learn about
- 31:08defending sex trafficking when, among other things, Miss Roberts told
- 31:12FBI agents about it when she met them in Australia
- 31:15in twenty eleven. Here, again, the defendant has no evidence
- 31:19to even begin making such a showing see defendants January
- 31:24twenty fifteen. Statement claiming as untrue or an obvious lie
- 31:29that Maxwell and Epstein converted Miss Roberts into a sexual
- 31:33slave is not substantially true. Defendant next argues that she
- 31:38accurately disputed Miss Robert's statement that the defendant held her
- 31:42as a sex slave, relying on dictionary definitions of slave
- 31:46that define the term to refer to a confined person
- 31:49who is the legal property of another MSJA at fifty nine,
- 31:53citing Merriam, Webster, etc. Defendant claims Miss Roberts was not
- 31:58confined to the property of the defendant. Call this the yes,
- 32:01I'm a sex trafficker but I didn't use Chain's defense,
- 32:05and once again, to even describe the defense is to
- 32:08refute it. Defendant does not explain why the jury would
- 32:12be required to use the held in Chain's definition of
- 32:15slave in evaluating her statement Merriam Webster, eleventh edition, two
- 32:20thousand and six. It also defined slave as one that
- 32:23is completely subservient to a dominating influence, a definition that
- 32:28fits Miss Robert's circumstances to a t. As Miss Roberts
- 32:32has explained in detail, she was recruited as a minor
- 32:35child by the defendant, who then dominated her and used
- 32:39her for sexual purposes. That testimony alone creates a genuine
- 32:43issue of fact on this point. From the context of
- 32:47all of Miss Robert's statements about the defendant, Miss Roberts
- 32:51has never said or implied that she was physically placed
- 32:54in a cage. Instead, she has described the vast disparity
- 32:57of power and the influence of defendant and Epstein, the
- 33:01fear of disobedience, the typical locations of the abuse being
- 33:05in a private plane, a huge mansion man with Epstein's
- 33:08employed servants, a private island, or some inescapable place abroad
- 33:13in the presence of the defendant, in addition to the
- 33:16continued and fraudulent promise of a better future, as those
- 33:20things that kept her attained in a situation of sexual servitude.
- 33:24While not physical chains, miss Roberts was groomed as a
- 33:28miner and trained, and these factors became her invisible chains. Indeed,
- 33:33as Miss Roberts expert on sex trafficking Professor Coonan has explained,
- 33:38popular understanding of the term sex slave might still connote
- 33:42images of violent pimps, white slavery, or a victim's chained
- 33:46to a bed and a brothel in the minds of
- 33:48some people. To call Miss Roberts a victim of sex
- 33:51trafficking would, however, very accurately convey the reality that she,
- 33:55along with a great many other victims of contemporary forms
- 33:59of slavery, are often exploited by the invisible chains of
- 34:03fraud and psychological coercion. CE McCauley declaration at Exhibit twenty three.
- 34:09Coonan Expert Report at twenty If this Court takes as true,
- 34:14which it must for the purpose of this motion, that
- 34:17Miss Roberts was trafficked and used exclusively for sexual purposes
- 34:21by the defendant at Epstein, then the Court must also
- 34:24reach the conclusion at this stage that Maxwell's assertion that
- 34:28Miss Robert's description of being a sex slave is untrue
- 34:32or obvious lies is not substantially true. There undoubtedly remains
- 34:37a genuine issue of material fact on this point, and
- 34:40in fact, Defendant's position taken in this motion is tantamount
- 34:44to an admission of the truth of plaintive statement about defendant.
- 34:48On this point, d any statement misdirection regarding Professor Alan
- 34:54Dershowitz is nothing more than an irrelevant distraction to the
- 34:58facts of this case and matters on the defense of
- 35:01whether defendant statement was substantially true. Defendant next contends that
- 35:06she accurately recounted that Alan Dershowitz had denied having sex
- 35:09with Miss Roberts MSJ at sixty call this the yes,
- 35:14I'm a sex trafficker, but she was not trafficked to
- 35:17the professor defense. While it is accurate that Miss Roberts
- 35:20made allegations against Professor Dershowitz, those allegations are not at
- 35:24issue in this case. Defendant, in her defamatory statement, claimed
- 35:29that the allegations made by Miss Roberts against Glayn Maxwell
- 35:32are untrue. C. McCauley declaration at Exhibit twenty six GM
- 35:37zero zero zero sixty eight. In her deposition, defendant maintained
- 35:42the position that she cannot speculate on what anybody else
- 35:45did or didn't do. C. McCauley declaration at Exhibit eleven,
- 35:50Maxwell for twenty two, twenty sixteen. In fact, regarding Miss
- 35:56Roberts' claims about others, Defendant unequivocally stated, I can only
- 36:00testify to what she said about me, which was one
- 36:03hundred percent false. CEE McCaulay declaration at eleven. Defendant Maxwell
- 36:09makes additional misstatements about Dershowitz production in a defamation action
- 36:14filed against him in her desperate attempt to have Dershowitz
- 36:17jump aboard and help bail out her sinking canoe. Miss
- 36:21Roberts can and if necessary, will refute Dershowitz's claim he
- 36:25was not a beneficiary of Epstein and defendant sex trafficking.
- 36:29That is not relevant at this stage. Whatever may or
- 36:32may not have happened with Dershowitz and Miss roberts sworn
- 36:36statement that he sexually abused hers alone enough to create
- 36:40disputed facts on the issue of whether defendant statements about
- 36:43him are substantially true, has no bearing whatsoever on the
- 36:47truth or falsity of the statements Miss Roberts made about
- 36:51the defendant. This case is not about whether Miss Roberts
- 36:54has ever made untruthful allegations against anyone, which he contends
- 36:58she is not, but about whether her allegations about defendant
- 37:02were true, or whether those specific allegations were untrue obvious lies,
- 37:07as defendant publicly proclaimed. These issues are disputed and must
- 37:12go to the jury. E Contrary to the defendant's position,
- 37:17there is a genuine issue of material fact as to
- 37:20whether she created or distributed child pornography, or whether the
- 37:24government was aware of the same. Defendant next argues that
- 37:28she did not create child pornography and that the government knew.
- 37:31This call this the until you find the photos on
- 37:35innocent defense, of course, is noted earlier. Defendant's claim requires
- 37:40that she show the government in context, the FBI and
- 37:43the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida
- 37:46knew that she had no child pornography. Yet defendant has
- 37:51offered no such evidence, much less evidence so powerful as
- 37:54to warrant some rejudgment on this point. This point is
- 37:58disputed from the simple fact that Miss Roberts herself testified
- 38:02that defendant took many photographs of her naked see McCauley
- 38:06declaration at Exhibit five, Robert's deposition at two thirty two,
- 38:11three through nine, two thirty three, seven through nine. This
- 38:15is consistent with the Palm Beach butler Alfredo Rodriguez testimony
- 38:19that he personally saw photos of naked children on the
- 38:22defendant's computer see McCauley declaration at Exhibit twenty one Rodriguez
- 38:27deposition at one fifty ten through seventeen, three oh six,
- 38:32one through three oh six, and twenty four. Another housekeeper,
- 38:35Juana Lessi, also saw photos of young nude females on
- 38:39the defendant's computer, although he wasn't aware or sure whether
- 38:44to consider it pornography see McCauley declaration at exhibit one. Finally,
- 38:49Detective Rickerrey found a collage of nude photos of young
- 38:52females in Epstein's closet and turned the photos over to
- 38:56the FBI and the US Attorney's Office. While the US
- 38:59Attorney Office will not share the photos obtained from Riccari's investigation,
- 39:04it is thus undisputed that the government possesses photos of
- 39:07nude young females confiscated for Epstein's Palm Beach mansion. Indeed,
- 39:12the police video disclosed through a Freedom of information request
- 39:16shows naked images of women throughout the house, including a
- 39:19full nude of the defendant. At a minimum, there is
- 39:23a clear genuine issue of material fact in this regard.
- 39:28F defendant did act as a madam for Epstein to
- 39:31traffic Miss Roberts to the rich and the famous. Defendant
- 39:35Nex argues that she did not act as a madam
- 39:37for Epstein MSJA at sixty three. The gist of the
- 39:40argument seems to be that the defendant believes trafficking one
- 39:44girl to Epstein does not a madam. Make call this Yes,
- 39:48I was Virginia's madam, but no one else's defense. This
- 39:51argument fails linguistically on the very dictionary definitions that defendant
- 39:56sites elsewhere but not here see Merriam Webster eleven the
- 39:59DA two thousand and six, defining madam as the female
- 40:03head of prostitution. Once again, defendant conceals the relevant facts
- 40:08on this issue. First, multiple witnesses have testified two defendants recruiting, maintaining, harboring,
- 40:14and trafficking girls for Epstein. In fact, defendant herself was
- 40:18unable to deny procuring Miss Roberts for Epstein. While defendant
- 40:23as attempted to fumble her way through explaining some plausible
- 40:27reason for bringing a sixteen or seventeen year old to Epstein,
- 40:31her explanations are, to put it, blandly unpersuasive. As with
- 40:35other issues, the jury will have to decide who'll believe
- 40:39one of the individuals Miss Roberts was trafficked to was
- 40:42Prince Andrew. Trafficking that took place in the defendant's owned
- 40:46townhouse in London. There exists flight logs evidencing Miss Roberts
- 40:50flying to London alongside defendant and Epstein on Epstein's private plane,
- 40:55and the photo of Miss Roberts, Defendant and the Prince,
- 40:58without Defendant ever offering a legal reasonable explanation for that
- 41:03photo being taken or for a traveling with a year
- 41:05old girl overseas. Defendant begins to meanders somewhat aimlessly on
- 41:10this point, shifting plaintiff's burden to substantiate plaintiff's claim that
- 41:15defendant was Epstein's madam, which at this point at issue
- 41:19into whether or not plaintiff has conclusively proven the identities
- 41:23and accurate job titles of the other men to whom
- 41:25plaintiff was lent for sex by Epstein. No matter how
- 41:29hard defendant tries to reframe the case, drag other people
- 41:32in or split hairs, she is unable to contest the
- 41:35facts fact showing she was more than a madam but
- 41:38a full fledged sex trafficker. Miss Roberts told the truth
- 41:42when she said the defendant recruitter as a miner under
- 41:46the pretense of giving her a massage and converted her
- 41:49into a traveling sex slave, consistent with defendant and Epstein's
- 41:53pattern of practice. As the Court astutely acknowledged early on,
- 41:57at the center of this case is the vera of
- 42:01a contextual world of facts more broad than the allegedly
- 42:04defamatory statements. Either transgressions occurred or it did not. Either
- 42:10Maxwell was involved or she was not. If defendant was involved,
- 42:14then her January twenty fifteen statement was defamatory. Miss Roberts
- 42:19will prove to the jury through overwhelming evidence her prior
- 42:24allegations about Defendant's involvement. The court should give Miss Roberts
- 42:28that opportunity and denied the defendant's motion for summary judgment. Conclusion.
- 42:33For the foregoing reasons, this Court should deny defendant's motion
- 42:37for summary judgment in all respects. This was signed by
- 42:41Sigrid McAuley and it was dated January thirty first, twenty seventeen.
- 42:46All Right, folks, that's going to conclude our look at
- 42:49Virginia Roberts response to Glame Maxwell's attempt to get a
- 42:53summary judgment. And if you're not disgusted yet, just wait,
- 42:57plenty more is on the way. All of the information
- 43:01that goes with this episode can be found in the
- 43:04description box.