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Dragnet: The Big Rose (EP5004) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 1: Detectives dot net. But now, from March twenty seventh, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: fifty two, here is the Big Rose.
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  Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true. The
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  Speaker 2: names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a
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  Speaker 2: detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. A thirty eight
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  Speaker 2: year old woman disappears. She leaves her sister and her
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  Speaker 2: four children behind. There's evidence of foul play. Your job
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  Speaker 2: find her.
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  Speaker 3: Drag mat the documented drama of an actual crime. For
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  Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: Police Department, you will travel step by step on the
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  Speaker 3: side of the law through an actual case transcribed from
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  Speaker 3: official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
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  Speaker 3: Dragnet is the story of your police force in action.
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  Speaker 4: It was Monday, June third, was overcast in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: We were working the day watch out of homicide detail.
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  Speaker 4: My partner's aid, Jacob's the boss's that brown, Chief of detectives.
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  Speaker 4: My name is Friday. I was on the way back
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  Speaker 4: from communications and it was eight fifteen am when I
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  Speaker 4: got to Room forty two homicide. Joe, let's do I Brian?
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  Speaker 4: You seen Ed went all a minute, said he'd be
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  Speaker 4: right by. Oh thank you. I don't see anything in
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  Speaker 4: the book. Nothing new, huh, not much pretty slow.
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  Speaker 5: Now's your mother, Joe? Or she wasn't feeling too well?
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  Speaker 4: No, she's not. As a matter of fact, doctor says
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  Speaker 4: to anemia. It's gonna take a little time to get
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  Speaker 4: over it. I guess I'm sorry to hear it. I
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  Speaker 4: gotta do some checking down at the auto desk.
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  Speaker 5: If I get any calls, I hadn't to switch it
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  Speaker 5: down there with you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure will, Brian, thanks you bet you? Oh, excuse
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  Speaker 4: me for.
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  Speaker 5: Me, Tom all right?
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  Speaker 4: Ed, what'd they give you?
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  Speaker 5: Missing report? Woman? How about the Ma'm no.
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  Speaker 4: It's nothing, not the missing report there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all here. Someone out on sixty fourth Street
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  Speaker 5: names Rose Baker. It's been gone about a week.
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  Speaker 4: Last scene Tuesday, May twenty seven pm. Who's this? It
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  Speaker 4: made the report Carl Shelton, Who's he's her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 5: Miss Baker's husband died about five years ago. It's been
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  Speaker 5: running around quite a bit since then. Had a lot
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  Speaker 5: of man trouble.
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  Speaker 4: She disappeared before then.
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  Speaker 5: Huh yeah, half dozen times. Never been gone this long though.
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  Speaker 5: Holmes took this report from Shelton. He gathered Miss Baker's
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  Speaker 5: not too stable. She's going to drink quite a bit.
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  Speaker 5: Doesn't see to care anything for her home or kids.
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  Speaker 4: Seeing here she has four children. They're living with her aunt,
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  Speaker 4: missus Baker's sister. It's kind of a funny arrangement in there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Baker. Woman packed her bags and walked out of
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  Speaker 5: the house about a year ago. Her sister's been taking
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  Speaker 5: care of the kids ever since. My mother comes back
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  Speaker 5: for a visit once in a while.
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  Speaker 4: Miss address we've got on missus Baker. It's the same
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  Speaker 4: address as her boyfriend, Carl Shelton.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. They both have apartments in the same building.
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  Speaker 4: This a recent picture of miss Baker supposed to.
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  Speaker 5: Be Yeah, nice looking woman.
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  Speaker 4: Huh. Sister's listed here as the last person who saw Well,
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  Speaker 4: how's that Baker?
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  Speaker 5: Woman?
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  Speaker 4: Still wasn't living at home, was she?
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  Speaker 5: According to the sister, missus Baker came over to the
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  Speaker 5: house to see her the night she disappeared, sometime around
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  Speaker 5: eight o'clock. Two of them had some business to talk over.
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  Speaker 5: Seems the sister had a check for four hundred dollars
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  Speaker 5: she got from selling some furniture. Claimed the kids had
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  Speaker 5: been sick, she had doctor bills to pay.
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  Speaker 4: Missus Baker's sister took care of things to that extent.
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  Speaker 5: Apparently, anyway, after the sister got the check for selling
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  Speaker 5: the furniture, Miss Baker wanted half the money. Sister said,
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  Speaker 5: that's why she came to see her that night. Two
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  Speaker 5: of them got in the car and went out to
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  Speaker 5: find somebody to cash a check.
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  Speaker 4: One drink of water, no, no thanks, Then you get
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  Speaker 4: a four hundred dollar check cash at eight o'clock at night?
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  Speaker 5: Would you know, sister sitting miss Dickon, did somebody good
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  Speaker 5: cash at farm? Turned out the person couldn't cash it.
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  Speaker 5: Sister stopped at the bar for glass of beer as
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  Speaker 5: a Baker took a car and went to look up
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  Speaker 5: somebody else she thought could cash it. That was it.
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  Speaker 5: Miss Baker hadn't been seen since.
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  Speaker 4: Who was is somebody else?
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  Speaker 5: Well? I did? Sister claimed she doesn't know. Miss Baker
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  Speaker 5: didn't tell her.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like missus Baker wanted the whole check, wouldn't you say?
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  Speaker 5: That's what the sister figured, and Miss Baker didn't come back.
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  Speaker 5: She finished the glass of beer, left the barn, started
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  Speaker 5: walking home. Two blocks from the house, she found her
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  Speaker 5: car park and it was time to Miss Baker. Car
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  Speaker 5: keys were in the glove compartment. So it's a sister's
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  Speaker 5: share of the money. Two hundred dollars in cash.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how about the firm that issued the check? They
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  Speaker 4: get it back canceled?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of days ago. Miss Baker's endorsement on
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  Speaker 5: the back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah sounds pretty wild, isn't it.
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  Speaker 5: The whole thing does talk to half dozen people who
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  Speaker 5: saw miss Baker that night. None of their stories gibed
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  Speaker 5: Hony mean. Her boyfriend, Carl Shelton, he claims Miss Baker
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  Speaker 5: told him she was going out of town for a
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  Speaker 5: few days with a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 4: They check it out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, girlfriend didn't know anything about it. Then they talked
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  Speaker 5: to a woman who works with Miss Baker. She said, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the Baker woman was planning a trip. Miss Baker mentioned
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  Speaker 5: anything about it to her sister. No, sister said, Miss
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  Speaker 5: Baker told her just the opposite, said she was getting
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  Speaker 5: out of her apartment into a new place. She's going
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  Speaker 5: to spend the next couple of days moving. They checked
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  Speaker 5: the boyfriend. Shelton said, if Miss Baker was moving was
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  Speaker 5: new to him.
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  Speaker 4: Either she's a liar or one of her friends are huh.
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  Speaker 5: It's all Baltic stuff. No two stories anywhere near like, what.
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  Speaker 4: Do they figure for a motive? They got a line
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  Speaker 4: on anybody who might have wondered out of the.
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  Speaker 5: Way, big field to pick from. She fought with Carl Shelton,
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  Speaker 5: she fought with his sister, some of the people she
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  Speaker 5: worked with. She had three four other men around town
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  Speaker 5: on the string too. Any one of them could have
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  Speaker 5: wanted her out of the way.
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  Speaker 4: All our relative has been checked out, all our friends
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  Speaker 4: places she'd be most likely to go.
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  Speaker 5: I'll check not a trace of or nothing.
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  Speaker 4: I guess we better start moving on. It a lot
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  Speaker 4: of ground to cover. See if we can't straighten out
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  Speaker 4: some of those stories.
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  Speaker 5: One thing's sure, somebody's Lyne.
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  Speaker 4: Eight thirty five am. Before we left the City Hall,
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  Speaker 4: we checked with Sergeant Holmes and Missing Persons who had
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  Speaker 4: taken the report on Rose Baker's disappearance. He had nothing
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  Speaker 4: to add to what was in the report with what
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  Speaker 4: he'd already told ed. First on the interview list was
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  Speaker 4: the sister of the missing woman, Bernice Maron. She was
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  Speaker 4: employed as a saleswoman for a grocery supply firm. We
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  Speaker 4: called at the home where Miss Maron lived with her
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  Speaker 4: four nieces and nephews, but there was no answer. The
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  Speaker 4: next door neighbor told us that Miss Marron was working,
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  Speaker 4: that she usually didn't get home until four or fifteen
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  Speaker 4: or four thirty in the afternoon. In the meantime, we
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  Speaker 4: figured we might as well check the next name on
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  Speaker 4: the list, Missus Baker's boyfriend, Carl Shelton. We'd already checked
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  Speaker 4: him through our and I and he had no record.
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  Speaker 4: We drove out to his address, a three story apartment
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  Speaker 4: house on sixty fourth Street. Shelton's apartment was on the
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  Speaker 4: main floor rear. He answered the door in his bathrobe
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  Speaker 4: and slippers. He told us that he was employed at
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  Speaker 4: one of the local oil refineries, and that this particular
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  Speaker 4: week he was working the graveyard shift eleven at night
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  Speaker 4: until seven in the morning. He showed us back to
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  Speaker 4: a small kitchen at the rear of the apartment. While
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  Speaker 4: we questioned him, he fixed a percolator of coffee and
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  Speaker 4: put it on the stove.
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  Speaker 5: You're sure about miss Baker's plans are and she never
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  Speaker 5: mentioned anything to you about moving out of the apartment
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  Speaker 5: house here, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And never somebody's handing you a line there. If Rosie
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  Speaker 6: was going to move, she'd tell me about it.
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  Speaker 5: This minute.
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  Speaker 6: I gotta get that coffee.
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  Speaker 5: Looks about that?
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  Speaker 6: He always watch some java.
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  Speaker 4: Got an old potfully, Yeah, Noah, and I'll thank you.
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  Speaker 4: How long did you say you've known miss Baker?
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  Speaker 6: About a year year and a half. You got along
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  Speaker 6: pretty good, she'd right from the start. Sure don't understand
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  Speaker 6: her taken off like this.
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  Speaker 4: Miss Baker ever talked to you much about the family,
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  Speaker 4: her sister, four children. I mean, did you see them regularly?
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  Speaker 4: Seemed to get along with them allright to you.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think i'd know that. Rosie never had much
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  Speaker 6: to say about him. The only thing I could gather
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  Speaker 6: was that she just got sick of the routine, you know,
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  Speaker 6: keeping up a house, doing the wash, mopping dust, and
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  Speaker 6: taking care of four kids.
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  Speaker 5: She just checked out.
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  Speaker 6: That's all her sister beniee takeover. You ask me. She
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  Speaker 6: never should have had a family to begin with. Rosie
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  Speaker 6: isn't the kind. She's a party girl, likes a good time,
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  Speaker 6: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Something I don't understand.
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  Speaker 5: Shelton.
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  Speaker 4: You said a minute ago you couldn't figure out miss
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  Speaker 4: Baker's going off like this when you filed a missing
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  Speaker 4: report on her. You said she was planning a trip
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  Speaker 4: out of town.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, isn't it possible she might have taken off without
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  Speaker 4: telling you? No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: She'd have told me she's planning a trip, all right,
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  Speaker 6: But she wasn't going to leave till the next night,
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  Speaker 6: Wednesday night. She's going to pick up this girlfriend of hers, Iris,
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  Speaker 6: and the two of them were going to take the
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  Speaker 6: bus down to Laguna for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's our understanding this girlfriend Iris didn't know anything
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  Speaker 4: about the trip. Can you explain that?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: I guess Rosie forgot to tell her. I can't figure
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  Speaker 6: these women sometimes. Maybe she was gonna phone her Wednesday morning.
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  Speaker 6: She knew Iris could get away almost anytime.
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  Speaker 5: And you think it's possible she might have gone down
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  Speaker 5: to Laguna by herself.
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  Speaker 6: No, that's not like Rosie. Besides, before I went in
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  Speaker 6: a reporter missing, I called a couple of places down
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  Speaker 6: Laguna where Rosie usually stops that they hadn't seen her.
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  Speaker 5: Possible she might have gone some other place.
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  Speaker 6: No, without telling me. No, desides, she wouldn't go alone.
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  Speaker 6: I know that, Sheldon.
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  Speaker 4: We understand missus Baker was friendly with two or three
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  Speaker 4: other men around town. You think it's possible she might
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  Speaker 4: have gone someplace with one of them.
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  Speaker 6: Sheldon, No, No, I can't buy that. If it was
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  Speaker 6: eight months ago, i'd say maybe, but not not.
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  Speaker 4: Why not?
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  Speaker 6: We had it out, that's all, it was all settled.
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  Speaker 6: She wouldn't do anything like that. Again, pretty sure about that?
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  Speaker 6: I am yeah, positive. I didn't get it at all.
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  Speaker 6: She wouldn't do that. To me and off just packing
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  Speaker 6: up and leaving. Rosie wouldn't do that to me. She's
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  Speaker 6: got four children. Yeah, she did it to them.
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  Speaker 4: We questioned Carl Shelton for another half hour, but he
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  Speaker 4: failed to come up with anything in the way of
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  Speaker 4: a definite lead. Ten forty a m. We drove to
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  Speaker 4: the home of the missing woman's girlfriend and Iris Kirby.
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  Speaker 4: Two things she was pretty definite about. She knew nothing
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  Speaker 4: about an out of town trip Missus Baker was supposed
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  Speaker 4: to have planned for the two of them, and secondly,
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  Speaker 4: she had no use for Carl Shelton. She told us
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  Speaker 4: that Shelton was her ex boyfriend and that she had
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  Speaker 4: introduced him to Rose Baker, and that shortly after that
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  Speaker 4: he dropped her. A few weeks later, Shelton began to
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  Speaker 4: keep steady company with Missus Baker. Outside of her personal
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  Speaker 4: grievance against Shelton, Iris Kirby had nothing to offer in
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  Speaker 4: the way of a lead to the whereabouts of her friend.
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  Speaker 4: Eleven thirty a m. We got in the car and
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  Speaker 4: headed for the factory in the south end of town
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  Speaker 4: where Rose Baker was employed. We stopped off in the
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  Speaker 4: way for lunch, a bowl of soup and a sandwich.
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  Speaker 4: Had had a cheeseburger and a piece of pie before
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  Speaker 4: we left. We checked the office to see if there
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  Speaker 4: were anny calls. Nothing. The place where missus Baker worked
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  Speaker 4: was on Santa Fe Avenue, a one story building covering
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  Speaker 4: almost half a block. They manufactured men's work clothes, shirts,
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  Speaker 4: and overalls. We checked with a personnel office. We asked
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  Speaker 4: if Rose Baker had any friends that she worked with.
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  Speaker 4: We were told that there was a Mildred Dunn who
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  Speaker 4: was a fairly close friend of the Baker. Woman ed
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  Speaker 4: and I waited in the office while they sent down
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  Speaker 4: to the plant for Mildred Dunn.
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  Speaker 5: Miss Dunn, that's right, police officers. My name's Jacobs. Is
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  Speaker 5: my partner starting Friday.
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  Speaker 7: How do you do are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to ask a few questions about Rose Baker,
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  Speaker 4: missus Dunn. I understand you're pretty close friend to hers.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, that's right. I've known Rose ever since she came here.
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  Speaker 8: She worked on the machine next to me.
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  Speaker 5: She come home yet No, not yet. You remember miss
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  Speaker 5: Baker saying anything you about taking a trip, Miss done
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  Speaker 5: mean just before she disappeared.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, she did. She'd been looking forward to it.
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  Speaker 8: That's probably where she is, don't you think off on
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  Speaker 8: her trip?
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  Speaker 4: Oh we don't know, ma'am. Did you mention anything definite
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  Speaker 4: about the trip to you? Where she was going when
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  Speaker 4: she was leaving, Well, I.
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  Speaker 8: Think she was going to Laguna Beach.
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  Speaker 9: It's hard to tell.
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  Speaker 8: She's always kidding around, Rose is. Once she said she
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  Speaker 8: was going to fly to Switzerland for a vacation, Sam Fritz.
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  Speaker 8: She's always kidding around like that. Oh, that's so like
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  Speaker 8: Once when she had a date with Fred, she said
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  Speaker 8: she was going to the pump room in Chicago, you know,
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  Speaker 8: just being funny.
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  Speaker 4: I see who is this Fred? Missus dune fell.
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  Speaker 8: In the shipping department. Fred Lyons nice fella.
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  Speaker 4: He and Missus Baker so much of each other.
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  Speaker 8: They used to, yes, quite a bit. I don't know
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  Speaker 8: if they were serious about each other. I thought they
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  Speaker 8: were till a last month or so. Maybe they had
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  Speaker 8: a tip or something. Maybe Rose got tired of him.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, but you do to think the two
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  Speaker 5: of 'em were serious at one time.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yes, it wasn't more than a month ago, and
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  Speaker 8: all of a sudden they weren't sweet on each other.
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  Speaker 8: Least Rose wasn't about him.
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  Speaker 9: She told me that I guess we.
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  Speaker 4: Better check on him.
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  Speaker 8: Ed.
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  Speaker 4: Is this Fred Lyons working to day? Do you know?
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  Speaker 8: Ma'am?
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  Speaker 10: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: No, he quit last Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: One fifteen pm. We finished questioning, Mildred done and we
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  Speaker 4: went back to the personnel office to get Fred Lyons's
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  Speaker 4: description the last known address. We checked out the address,
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  Speaker 4: but Lyons had moved out the previous Tuesday and left
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  Speaker 4: no forwarding address. We questioned the landlady, looked over his rooms,
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  Speaker 4: checked through the neighborhood, and talked to everybody he knew.
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  Speaker 4: We found nothing to indicate that Lyons had anything directly
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  Speaker 4: to do with Rose Baker's disappearance, but we did find
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  Speaker 4: out that he knew missus Baker and that he thought
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  Speaker 4: quite a bit of her. We went back to the office.
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  Speaker 4: Gott a broadcast and an apb on Lions.
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  Speaker 5: I want to check the book, Josie. If we got
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  Speaker 5: any light calls?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, right, homicide Jacob, that's right? All I sure?
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  Speaker 5: Where was that? All right? Thank you got something? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Hollywood Division, woman's purse fond the bacont lot out there,
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  Speaker 5: high school kid founded a lot of identification inside. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Rose Baker. Three point fifteen pm.
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  Speaker 4: The purse was brought downtown to the crime lab for
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  Speaker 4: detailed examination. Brian and Barrett from Homicide went out to
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  Speaker 4: interview the boy who found the purse and to check
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  Speaker 4: the neighborhood where it was discovered. Meantime, Ed and I
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  Speaker 4: drove out to talk to the missing woman's sister, thirty
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  Speaker 4: six years old, Bernie Marrin. She and her sister's four
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  Speaker 4: children lived in a five room stuck out house just
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  Speaker 4: off Exposition Boulevard. We got there shortly after Miss Maron
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  Speaker 4: returned home her job. Her two older nephews were out
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  Speaker 4: in front cutting the lawn. She showed us into a
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  Speaker 4: neatly kept living room where we interviewed her. She was
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  Speaker 4: a plain looking woman, brown haired, gray eyes. She showed
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  Speaker 4: little concern about her sister's disappearance.
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  Speaker 11: I gave up trying to keep track of her a
• 14:14
  Speaker 11: long time ago. Sorry, and I haven't any idea where
• 14:16
  Speaker 11: she's gone. I used to worry about her.
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: I don't you know how about that person of hers
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: that was found the sapronym Miss Mariam. Wouldn't you say
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: that makes it a little unusual?
• 14:23
  Speaker 9: An I don't think so. She loses things all the time.
• 14:26
  Speaker 9: I don't know what she does.
• 14:27
  Speaker 11: When she goes off of those things. I don't want
• 14:29
  Speaker 11: to know. It's drunk and does a lot of fooling around.
• 14:32
  Speaker 11: I suppose she's lost two or three persons the same way.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: What about last Tuesday, the night she disappeared, you know,
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: so she'd been bringing in.
• 14:38
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I got the idea she'd had a couple of
• 14:40
  Speaker 11: highballs before she came over. She wasn't drunk, but she
• 14:43
  Speaker 11: wasn't feeling any pain. I will say, would you excuse me?
• 14:45
  Speaker 11: I want to yell with the kids out there? Yes,
• 14:47
  Speaker 11: ma'am right right, that's enough of that playing around out there.
• 14:54
  Speaker 9: Let's decided person that lawn more.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Huh okay, no.
• 14:58
  Speaker 9: Better, hurry up. You still got the backyard, you do, remember?
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Yah?
• 15:03
  Speaker 11: Well, a good thing that came out of that married
• 15:04
  Speaker 11: sergeant throws kids out there. There's two more besides Frank
• 15:07
  Speaker 11: and Bobby. The girls, my nieces. One's nine, one, seven,
• 15:11
  Speaker 11: marvelous kids. Girls are just as pretty as pictures. I'm
• 15:14
  Speaker 11: glad I have a chance to take care of them.
• 15:15
  Speaker 11: I guess I just like kids. I can't understand it
• 15:18
  Speaker 11: when people don't appreciate them. I don't have a family
• 15:21
  Speaker 11: of my own.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, I see, miss Marin, when you were with your
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: sister last Tuesday night, you say she didn't mention anything
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: at all about taking that trip out of town.
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: No, just the opposite.
• 15:29
  Speaker 11: Like I told you, she said she was moving out
• 15:31
  Speaker 11: of her apartment into a new place. That's why she
• 15:33
  Speaker 11: needed the money.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: M m.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: Well, what's the story about this money your sister came
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: to pick up, Miss Mann. I don't think I quite
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: got that clear.
• 15:39
  Speaker 11: Well, we had this baby grand piano my mother gave
• 15:41
  Speaker 11: Rose to me just before she died. Kids have been
• 15:44
  Speaker 11: sick the last couple of months, one thing and another.
• 15:46
  Speaker 11: I needed a little money to catch up on some
• 15:48
  Speaker 11: doctor bills, so I sold the piano and I needed
• 15:50
  Speaker 11: to do it, but the bills had to be paid.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 15:53
  Speaker 11: Rose found out about it somehow, and she wanted half
• 15:56
  Speaker 11: of the money I got for the piano. She wanted
• 15:58
  Speaker 11: the money for herself, and she wasn't even willing to
• 16:01
  Speaker 11: pay for her own kids doctor bills.
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: It'd be different if I was charging her to take
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: care of the kids.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: I just do it because I like them.
• 16:08
  Speaker 11: Well, anyway, she found out about it and I had
• 16:10
  Speaker 11: to split the check with her.
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: The whole thing was for four hundred dollars.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: I understand your sister got the check cash that night.
• 16:15
  Speaker 9: That correct, Yeah, that's right.
• 16:16
  Speaker 11: It was eight o'clock at night. But Rose said she
• 16:18
  Speaker 11: knew somebody who'd cash it. She wanted the money that
• 16:21
  Speaker 11: night and save an argument. We got in the car
• 16:23
  Speaker 11: and went to see this friend of hers, some bartender.
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: He couldn't cash the thing, so Rose took the car
• 16:28
  Speaker 11: and went out to look up another friend she thought
• 16:29
  Speaker 11: would cash it. I didn't want to go chasing all
• 16:32
  Speaker 11: over town with her, so I stayed at this bar
• 16:33
  Speaker 11: and had a beer.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: And that's the last time you saw your sister's Yes.
• 16:37
  Speaker 11: I waited a couple of hours, and then I walked home.
• 16:39
  Speaker 11: With two blocks from the house. I saw my car
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: pulled up the curb right on Exposition Boulevard. Car keys
• 16:45
  Speaker 11: were in the glove compartment, two hundred dollars in cash
• 16:47
  Speaker 11: right under them.
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: No sign of Rose, though.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: Well, what time was it when he got back to
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: the house.
• 16:52
  Speaker 11: You remember, it was after eleven It close to eleven thirty.
• 16:55
  Speaker 9: I think I went right to Ben And.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Since that time, you've had no indication where your sister
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: might have gone, No form calls, no letters, no word
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: from one of her friends who might have seen.
• 17:02
  Speaker 9: No, not a thing. She's in trouble.
• 17:05
  Speaker 11: You can't understand why I'm coming for a long time,
• 17:09
  Speaker 11: last five years, going downhill all the time.
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: She's no good, sergeant. I don't know how it happened.
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: Just no good at all.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Miss Barren.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Thank you, ma'am.
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, not at all. No trouble. Yes, I'd better get
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: dinner started for the kids.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Well, if you hear anything about your sister, we'd appreciate it.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: If you give us a call.
• 17:26
  Speaker 11: Yes, all right, it's going to be the same old story,
• 17:28
  Speaker 11: same thing all over again.
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: You can bet on it, ma'am.
• 17:31
  Speaker 11: She'll come back when the money's gone.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Five point fifteen pm, ED and I drove back downtown
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: and went directly to the crime lab. The missing woman's purse,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: which had been found in the vacant lot out in Hollywood,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: had been examined thoroughly. They'd found nothing that had provided
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: us with a new lead. We checked communications, but there
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: was still no answer to the APB we'd gotten out
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: on Fred Lyons, the man who'd worked with Rose Baker
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: and who dropped from sight the same day she did.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Thirty pm. We got back to the squadroom.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Brian. You just get back. Yeah, you get
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: the word. No, what's that missus Baker? They just found
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: her body.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic stories of your police
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: force in action.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: June third, Monday, six pm, the body of thirty eight
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: year old Rose Baker had been discovered in the Hollywood
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Hills area, approximately three fourths of a mile from the
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: intersection of Mulholland Drive and oaknol Terrace. A dirt road
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: branched off to the left of Mulholland and wound about
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: three hundred yards down the hill to a dead end stop.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: Just below the guardrail which circled the edge of the road.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: There were two eucalyptus trees. They overlooked a deep ravine
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: covered with scrub oak and patches of laurel. Halfway down
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: one slope of the ravine they found the body of
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the missing woman. There were two bullet holes in the
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: left side of the skull. There was another one at
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the base of the throat. In her clenched right hand.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: There was a fifty cent piece. The immediate area surrounding
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the body had been roped off and Lieutenant Lee Jones
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: and the crime lab crew were making their preliminary investigation.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: There was no sign of the murder weapon. The coroner arrived,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: and when the preliminary investigation was completed, the body was
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: taken downtown to the County Morgue. All clothing and personal
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: effects were removed from the body and sent to the
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: crime lab for detailed examination. Rose Baker's sister, Bernice Meron,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: was brought to the County Morgue and identified the body.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: A few minutes after ten o'clock that night, ed and
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I got back to the office.
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: I got it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I'm side Friday, is it, Sergeant Friday? Yeah, sir, that's right.
• 19:46
  Speaker 12: This is Carl Shelton.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Sergeant.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: You were out to talk to me this morning.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: You remember, Oh yeah, Sheldon, I heard about Rosie.
• 19:51
  Speaker 12: Just a couple of minutes ago.
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: I got to talk to you, Sergeant.
• 19:54
  Speaker 12: I gotta tell you.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Was that?
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: So do you want to tell me now?
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: I don't want to tell you on the phone.
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: I'll drive in to see you.
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: I'll leave right now.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, all right, do you mind telling me what
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: it's about?
• 20:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: I know who killed Rosie?
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Eleven oh eight pm Karl Shelton arrived at the office
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: ed and I took him down the hall to the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: interrogation room, where he gave us his story. He told us,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: first of all, that he was well acquainted with most
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: of the regular customers at the tavern where Rose Baker
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: and her sister had first stopped to cash the four
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: hundred dollars check. He told us one of these people,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Leroy Hanson, had contacted him after he read in the
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: morning paper about Missus Baker's murder.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I've known Larroy at least four or five years. He
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: used to work with him. He wouldn't lie to me.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: What this pellattas Shelton, that's Leroy Hanson. He said.
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: He got to the bar a little after midnight. Hadn't
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: be at least that because Leroy doesn't get off work
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: to eleven thirty. Said he saw Rosie sitting in a
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: car parked a couple of doors down from the bar.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: There was a woman in the car with her. He
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: described her just like Rosie's sister. They were having a
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: beef and.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: His friend of yours here what missus Baker and this
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: woman were talking about.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: No, but he's smart enough to know a big argument
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: when he sees one, he says, they were really going
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: to it? Is he sure about the time? He's got
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: to be. Larroy works at a sheet metal plants south
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: of town. He gets off at eleven thirty, takes him
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: more than a half hour to get in. Why should
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: he lie about it. He wasn't even gonna mention it
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: till he found out she was dead.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: This woman, he says, Miss Baker was with She fits
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: her sister's description that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: Close exactly, and there was a guy with Leroy.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: He'll back it up.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: If the sister says she wasn't sitting in that car
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: with Rosie outside that bar after midnight, she's a liar,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: well she is.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: If you can prove your story.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: Here's the phone you asked Learroi.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Eleven twenty two pm. We put in calls to both
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: of the men who were supposed to have seen Rose
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Baker and her sister Bernice sitting in a parked car
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: outside the tavern six nights before. Both of them corroborated
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Carl Shelton's story down to the last detail. They were
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: especially certain about the time. Bernice Marron told us that
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: on the night her sister Rose disappeared, she hadn't seen
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: her after nine fifteen PM, and that she had walked
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: home and was in bed by eleven thirty. Both Leroy
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Hanson and his friend told us that they had seen
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Rose Baker and a woman answering her sister's description sitting
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: together in a car parked outside the tavern. They were
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: both certain at the time that it was well past midnight.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: We made a check on Leroy Hanson and his friend.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: As far as we were able to find out, there
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: was no logical reason why they should lie about what
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: they'd told us. Ed and I got in the car
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: and drove out to the home of Bernice Maron, just
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: off Exposition Boulevard. It was twenty minutes past midnight. We
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: rang the front doorbell and got her out of bed.
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: Oh officers and then who it was? Come in?
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Thank you man?
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: Oh, you have to wait long before I answered, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: sleep pretty sound.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Would have to ask you to get dressmas Maren like
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: to talk to you downtown.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Why what's the matter, Well, some more questions we have
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: to ask you, ma'am. A few more things we have
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: to clear up about your sister. It's pretty important.
• 22:34
  Speaker 11: I've told you everything I know. I don't like to
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: go out and leave the kids alone at night. What
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: is it you want to ask me about?
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Well, you told us the last time you saw your
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: sister was about nine fifteen last Tuesday night, and it's marya.
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: Yes, that's right.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: We've got a couple of people who claim they saw
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: you with your sister after midnight Tuesday. You were sitting
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: with her in your car parked outside of tavern. You're
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: having an argument with her. At least two people saw
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you and they'll swear to that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: No, that couldn't be right. They said it was after
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: midnight and they saw me.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, that's what they say.
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: And do you believe it? You believe it was me?
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: We do you think I killed Rose? Said it?
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am. We think so. How about it, miss marn It'll.
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: Take me a minute to get my clothes on. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: want to talk to the oldest boy man if you, Frank,
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: But it'll be all right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I'll have to go along with you, all right, this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: Way down the hall in here. I don't want to
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: wake the other kids fighting helping, all right, Frank.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Wake up, Frank, Frankie, what do you want as I
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: hate to wake you up, Frankie, I'm gonna have to
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: go downtown tonight. I'm leaving now in case I'm not
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: here when you and.
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: The kids get up. I want you to take care
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: of everything, all right, honey.
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: Okay, what do.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: You have to go downtown for it?
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: Well, it's something about your mother. Frank might take a
• 23:59
  Speaker 11: little time. You see the girls get off to school
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: on time in the morning, won't you, Bobby too. The
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: sandwiches are all made, they're in the ice box. All
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: you have to do is put them in a paper sack.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: All right, yeah, okay, why do you have to go now?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Can't you wait until tomorrow?
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: I'm afraid not, Honey. You take care of everything, huh.
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: Make sure all the doors are lot and don't forget
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: to feed the dog.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: No, I'll forget.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: What's the matter?
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Is anything wrong?
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: Oh?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Of course not now.
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: If something happens so I can't get back tomorrow, I'll call.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: You on the phone.
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: All right, Yeah, okay, you'll be sure and call huh,
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: I'll call you, honey. Go to sleep now, it'll be
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: all right. You get some sleep. Good night, thank'ee.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, good night.
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry to keep you waiting. I had to tell
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: Frank what to do. The kids wouldn't understand. I mean
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: if they woke up and didn't find me here.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, what'd you do with a murder gun? Miss?
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: Ma'm in my garage. I'll show you.
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: I had her for kids to raise. It's not easy.
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: You know what it costs to feed them, put clothes
• 24:59
  Speaker 11: on their back. It's not the kids I minded. They're wonderful.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: I love every one of them. I'm glad to get
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: the chance to raise them. Never married myself, never had
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: any of my own. Hasn't been easy at all, working
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: all day, coming home, cooking for them, doing the wash,
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: trying to keep the house clean. Rhodes never gave me
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: a dime to pay a bill for her own kids too.
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: She gave us nothing, and she tried to take everything,
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: tried to bleed me for my last dollar. I catched
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: the check that night and said she was going to
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: keep all the money. I couldn't stand anymore. We are
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: you and I killed her?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I'm sorry, ma'am.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: We'll have to go.
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: Yes, all right, Well I do, sergeant, What'll I say?
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I advise you to tell the truth. You'll get a
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: fair trial.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: I know that it's not what I mean. What do
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: you mean inside there? What am I going to say?
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: How'll I explain it?
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Ma'am?
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: The kids? How do you tell four kids you killed
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: their mother?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: were changed protect the innocent.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: On October third, trial was held in Superior Court, Department
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: ninety two, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: In a moment the results of that trial, When their aunt,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Bernice Alberta Meren, was apprehended on suspicion of one to
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: eighty seven PC, the four Baker children were taken into
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: protective custody by juvenile authorities. Bernice Maren was indicted for
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: murder and entered a plea of self defense. She claimed
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: that at the time of the murder, her sister attacked
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: her with a knife while they argued over the division
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of the four hundred dollars check. Bernice Maren was tried
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: in Superior Court by a jury composed of nine men
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and three women. She was found not guilty. You have
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: just heard Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Technical advice comes from the Office of Ties Chief of
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Police W. H. Parker Los Angeles Police Department Technical Advisors
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Captain Jack Donahoe, Sergeant Marty Winn, Sergeant Fans Bracer. Heard
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: tonight were Barney Phillips, Virginia Gregg, Vic Perrin. Script by
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Jim Moser, music by Walter Schumann, Hell give Me Speaking.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Next, It's Counterspy on NBC.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Welcome Back. What kind of an interesting ending in that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: she was acquitted? It what was mean? With quite a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: few questions about the real life situation as well some
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of the adaptation issues, like did the alleged attack from
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Rose actually happen or was it something that she made
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: up later. It does seem like when police confronted her
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that would probably be one of the first things that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: she would say. The adaptation leaves it feeling like that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: she acted in anger, so it'd be more like a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: case of perhaps manslaughter. And of course, if the self
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: defense story was true, it seems like there would be
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: some corroborating evidence in the car or on the body,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: although this might also be a case of a situation
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: where you could say to someone no jury in the
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: world would ever convict me if I took some rash action,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and it actually is true, Bernice would be a very
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: sympathetic defendant, and a lot of people, if not most people,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have had a relative similar to Rose, so maybe that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: sympathy overrowed any evidence. If, on the other hand, it
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  Speaker 1: really was self defense and there was not any sort
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  Speaker 1: of maliciousness, you'd hope that she would get a custody
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  Speaker 1: of the kids back, or at least that that process
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  Speaker 1: would be considered. But again, there is a limit to
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  Speaker 1: what we can know from the Dragonet radio play. All right, well,
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  Speaker 1: now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day.
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  Speaker 1: join us back here tomorrow for yours truly, Johnny it
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  Speaker 1: all or where?
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  Speaker 12: Nice to hear from you again, Johnny. What can I
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  Speaker 12: do for you?
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  Speaker 10: Roy? I'm putting this call on expense account. Oh ain't that?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Ain't all?
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: If I could make connections down to New York. Well,
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: let's see, there's a plane leaving for the West Coast
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: a little after midnight, so i'd arrive in LA early
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  Speaker 10: in the morning.
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  Speaker 12: Coming out of here.
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  Speaker 10: Unless somebody's been pulling my leg, Roy, you have a
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: policy holder named Helen Daner, Yes, we certainly do. Well, now,
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: what's that mean.
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  Speaker 12: She's an elderly woman of Spenser who lives up in
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: the little town Tomorrow Bay, that's about two hundred miles
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: north of here, Johnny. She called his office early this afternoon.
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: She demanded your phone number there in Hartford, and well
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: I didn't give it to her.
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  Speaker 3: Why not us?
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  Speaker 12: She wouldn't say why she wanted to get in touch
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: with you, knowing how busy you always are. Will, But
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: just a few minutes ago I began to wonder about it. Yes, well,
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: after all, if she wanted to contact you about some insurance.
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  Speaker 10: Matter, Yeah, well, did you call her back?
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: Yeah, since we hadn't lot her insurance, that is, I
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: tried to, but I got no answer.
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  Speaker 10: And right I'm going to grab that plane I was
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: talking about.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I wait, did you get to you. Did you
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: talk to her?
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: Yes, and it has something to do with her insurance money.
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: So I'm flying out there riot your company's expense, not
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: just a minute, unless, of course, you'd rather pay off
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: her insurance to some beneficiary, honey, then just be sure
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: to have a rental car waiting for me when I
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: pull into the airport.
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