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Set 1: The Browns Conundrum · Stugotz and Company

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Woo!
• 0:01
  Speaker 2: Stu Gatz. Woo!
• 0:02
  Speaker 3: I gotta be honest with you, Bruce, there's a good
• 0:03
  Speaker 3: chance I'd be high anyway.
• 0:05
  Speaker 4: Woo!
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering how the football weekend was. Were you
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: able to watch it? Wow, what happened? Oh, I'm tired
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: of him. I'm serious. How about that?
• 0:14
  Speaker 5: In company. We are mother shuckers, baby.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: Woo!
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Bruce, does Faison Brandon's name sound like it's on backwards?
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: It's time to get your.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: It's time to get your racket to get the all boat, the,
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: the all boat.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: You got nothing right there.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: This is not going well.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: This is still gots and company. Still back to you. Taylor,
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: put it on the pole, please. That's two gots.
• 0:37
  Speaker 3: Seven 90 on X or the Browns better without miles.
• 0:41
  Speaker 5: Garrett.
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: Also after four games, is Todd Munkin on the Mount
• 0:45
  Speaker 3: Rushmore of Cleveland Brown coaches.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: It's got to be him and Stefanski.
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: Who else would it be?
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: I think Stefanski's the gold standard because Stefanski won a
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: playoff game there.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I think Ricardo, Ricky Mantle, sitting next to me,
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: he thinks it's Paul Brown.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: Is that what you were saying?
• 1:03
  Speaker 5: Paul Brown and Schottenheimer.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, Paul Brown and Marty Schottenheimer, yes.
• 1:07
  Speaker 6: You don't think they try and claim some piece of Belichick?
• 1:11
  Speaker 6: You don't think they try and claim a little bit like, hey,
• 1:13
  Speaker 6: that was our coach, too.
• 1:14
  Speaker 5: The greatest of all time. He was our coach.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: They had Saban as well, didn't they? I mean, was
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: he a coach?
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  Speaker 5: Saban was like a defensive.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: OK, fair.
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: Are you asking if Belichick is on the Mount Rushmore
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: of Cleveland Brown coaches?
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  Speaker 2: Mikey.
• 1:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those like, don't look into it.
• 1:34
  Speaker 6: But Bill Belichick was the coach of the Browns and
• 1:37
  Speaker 6: Bill Belichick is the greatest.
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  Speaker 5: Of all time. Stop. Stop. Don't Google it. Just leave
• 1:42
  Speaker 5: it there.
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  Speaker 1: Mikey, that's like saying Bill Belichick's on the Mount Rushmore
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: of North Carolina coaches though.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, he might be. No, he's not. Michael Jordan showed
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: up to a game.
• 1:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, listen, a hundred years from now, somebody is
• 1:54
  Speaker 6: going to say, oh man, Bill Belichick, one of the
• 1:56
  Speaker 6: greatest coaches ever.
• 1:57
  Speaker 5: Where did he coach? And somebody's going to go, I
• 1:59
  Speaker 5: know he coached in Cleveland.
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, name a second football coach from North Carolina,
• 2:04
  Speaker 3: not named Mac Brown.
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry about that. I lost my train of thought.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Butch Davis, North Carolina teams would run circles around Bill Belichick.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: Larry Fedora coach team would run circle around Bill Belichick teams.
• 2:18
  Speaker 3: So he's on the Patriots about Rushmore of coaches, obviously easily.
• 2:22
  Speaker 3: He's easily on the NFL Mount Rushmore of coaches, but
• 2:26
  Speaker 3: Belichick is not on the North Carolina Mount Rushmore.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: Of head football coaches.
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: No, I think Carl Torbush is ahead of him, too.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: What an amazing career turn.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: John Bunting ahead of him. Jesus.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: He has fallen quickly. He just can't make that Carolina.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: That's the one blemish on his resume. Well, yeah, there's
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: a couple. You're right, Mikey. I heard that.
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: That's a game normally, though, in Todd Munkin's defense, that Cleveland,
• 2:57
  Speaker 3: after Pittsburgh comes back, Aaron Rodgers looked good in the
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: second half.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: He looked young, man. He was making some plays. He
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: ran it in for two on a QB sneak to
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: tie up the game. That's a game normally the Browns lose.
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: They ended up winning that game. They're surprisingly good.
• 3:12
  Speaker 5: They are.
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  Speaker 2: I think the.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: Takeaway for me is the Browns' young core is, is
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: a lot better than I think people thought they would
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: be going into this year, where the Denzel Boston pick
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: is paying immediate dividends. He has four catches, 89 yards.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: Casey Concepcion, where they doubled down this draft, getting receivers,
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: the A & M receiver, five catches, 64 yards, and
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: then Quinshot Judkins looks great at the running back position,
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: and then Harold Fannin at the tight end position. You're
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: starting to see the pieces coming together for this Browns team,
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: because I was one of the people that immediately dismissed
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: this team. I thought Todd Munkin had 12-24 written all
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: over him for his first two years. They'd fire him
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: and then restart the process. Got to give credit to
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: Todd Munkin. This team is a lot better than I
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: think people thought they would be.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: Yep, 3-1 for the first time since 2021. Stefanski. And
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: they now have won three consecutive games.
• 4:06
  Speaker 2: It is crazy, Mikey. Do you think the Browns are good?
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: They have drafted well the last two seasons. You have
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: to give them credit.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, when you pick as high as the
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  Speaker 6: Browns have for so long, you're going to get talent.
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  Speaker 5: And Todd Munkin is– I've seen him.
• 4:19
  Speaker 6: Called Chill Parcells, which I absolutely love.
• 4:22
  Speaker 5: That's a great name.
• 4:23
  Speaker 6: Because if you– it's a fantastic name. Watch his post-game speech.
• 4:28
  Speaker 6: He calls over the kicker, hands him the ball, and says,
• 4:30
  Speaker 6: good job.
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  Speaker 5: That's it. Yes. And tells him to go away. Like, perfect.
• 4:35
  Speaker 6: It's– they're– They're so young and talented on defense and
• 4:41
  Speaker 6: the pieces on offense are coming together.
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  Speaker 5: What they need is a good head coach and a
• 4:45
  Speaker 5: good quarterback.
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: Stu, where I'm at with this Browns team, and I'm
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: going to take a page out of your playbook.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I need to see the Browns do it on Sunday
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: because if Sundays were played on Thursdays.
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: They've done it on Sundays the last two weeks.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're especially good on Thursdays where if Sundays
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: were played on Thursdays, the Browns would be the Chiefs.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: The Browns have won eight straight games now on Thursday
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  Speaker 1: night football. They look like a dynasty every time we
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  Speaker 1: put them on the Thursday night football slot.
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  Speaker 2: Put it on the poll.
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  Speaker 3: If the Browns played all their games on Thursday night,
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: would they be a dynasty too?
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  Speaker 5: I don't even think it's arguable.
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: Their last loss on Thursday night football was in 2016. Yes.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: They should say before the season, we'll take all the
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: Thursday nights.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: And we'd be fine with that.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: I'd be okay watching the Browns every Thursday night.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care enough about it.
• 5:35
  Speaker 5: Would you?
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: If they were good, yes. Yeah, I would.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: If they looked like Patrick Mahomes reincarnated, yeah, I think
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: people would sign up for that.
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: Mikey, do.
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: You want your Thursday night game to be with.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: Two good teams involved? I don't. I don't want a
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: good game Thursday night. I don't.
• 5:57
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want it this week because we got Yankee
• 6:01
  Speaker 6: playoff games and at some point I just need to
• 6:02
  Speaker 6: go to bed early.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: But like once we get into November where everything is
• 6:06
  Speaker 6: kind of slowing down, yeah, give me a good game
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  Speaker 6: on Thursday night.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair.
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  Speaker 1: So, Stu, you want the Thursday night football game to
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: almost be like a throwaway spot.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jaguars-Titans coming up next.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the next game on Thursday night?
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  Speaker 1: No, but that's just historic.
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  Speaker 5: Next night is worse. Next Thursday is worse.
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  Speaker 2: What is it? What is next Thursday?
• 6:24
  Speaker 5: Bucks, Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. Give me something like that.
• 6:27
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Just slop. No, you flex a bad game into Thursday night.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: As the season goes on. I don't know. I just
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: feel like the good game should be reserved for Sundays
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: and Monday. You know? Just make... I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing. I mean, I'm not ready for football by Thursday.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you my problem when I'm watching this
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: game yesterday? Because I'm watching this game conflicted where... I'm
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: just thinking to myself, how unlikable does somebody have to
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: be for Aaron Rodgers to be the one that you
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: root for? This Browns team.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be Deshaun Watson.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: It's only Deshaun Watson. This Browns team would be so
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: fun to root for if it wasn't for Deshaun Watson.
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: And when you're watching Amazon Prime's coverage of the game yesterday, yes,
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: the Browns are a great story. Yes, they're overachieving for sure.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not really here for the Deshaun Watson redemption storyline
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: angle that I felt like Amazon Prime was pushing last
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: night where you have the nauseating interview with Taylor Rooks
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: before the game. Tony Gonzalez is talking about Deshaun Watson
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: after the game where he says, The stuff he's gone through,
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: got to tip your cap to him. I'm so proud
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  Speaker 1: and happy for him.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: He hasn't gone through anything. What is he talking about?
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez was saying that he faced adversity off the
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: field where it's like we're kind of rewriting the story
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: for Deshaun Watson to push a feel-good narrative all.
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Of a sudden.
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  Speaker 3: Anything Deshaun Watson is going through or has gone through
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: is self-inflicted. He hasn't gone through anything, okay? Those women
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: went through something terribly bad. I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 3: And listen, I've been saying I understand why Browns fans
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: are conflicted.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know whether or not they should root for
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  Speaker 2: this team. In fact, Taylor put it on the poll.
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: Are the Browns a quarterback away from you rooting for
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns? Because I think you're right about this.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: I think the country would get behind it. They just
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: hate the quarterback for good reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Is there another fan base as starved as the Browns
• 8:16
  Speaker 6: that would convince themselves to root for this guy? I
• 8:20
  Speaker 6: don't think there is. I don't think the Jets would.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: You know what? It's funny.
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with Abby last night. If
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson was the Jets quarterback, they got off to
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: a 3-1 start and he was playing.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Better, would I be okay with it? Would I be happy?
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: And I didn't have a good answer for her because
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: as a Jet fan, yes, I'd be happy with a
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: 3-1 start.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: I just don't like the guy who is.
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: The main focus of my team and has the ball
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: on every offensive play. I don't know how Browns fans...
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: should react and should.
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: Respond to this. I truly don't.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's really easy to take a moral stand
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: when the player isn't helping you win, where Browns fans
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: spent the entire offseason wanting absolutely nothing to do with
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. And now they're 3-1. He's playing better. And
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: suddenly they're singing a different tune. I think it is
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: fair for the nation to look at Browns fans and
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, keep that same energy that you had
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson when you were 0-0 as you are
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: when you're 3-1 now.
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: Right. Or if you lose a couple of games, right?
• 9:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Because they're going to turn on him if they do.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, the second they go on a losing streak, they're
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: going to turn on him. I guess my bigger issue
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: is just with the prime coverage where I think you
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: could cover Deshaun Watson without selling Deshaun Watson. And it
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: felt like prime was... presenting him like we were watching
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: some inspirational story.
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: There is no inspirational story in Cleveland other than the
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: team that is normally bad is off to a 3-1 start,
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: and they're 3-1 for the first time, as I mentioned,
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: since 2021. The quarterback is not inspirational. The quarterback drives
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: you crazy.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: Simply, he does. He confuses you and drives you crazy.
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: He is not an inspiration by any stretch, and he'll
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: never be an inspiration to anybody, any show. be an
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: inspiration to Cleveland fans. If Cleveland fans want to root
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: for the jerseys, root for the team, root for the Browns,
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: I'm okay with it. There is a fine line between
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: rooting for the Browns and rooting for Deshaun Watson. Now
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: they are forced to root for Deshaun Watson right now
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: because he's playing quarterback. So when you see them cheering
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: and he makes a good play, what are they supposed
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: to do?
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 10:21
  Speaker 6: You have to root for the football player, not the person.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: You're rooting for the football. You're rooting for the jersey. Mikey,
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: but fans have rooted for bad dudes. This is a
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: really bad guy.
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: But fans have rooted for bad dudes. Some they know
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: about and some they have no idea. Like, Giant fans
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: were rooting for Lawrence Taylor and still give him standing
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: ovations every time he walks into a room.
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: Not a good dude.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the onus is more on the NFL
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: in this situation of even allowing Deshaun Watson back into
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: the league after you suspend him and you fine him.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: And you're putting Browns fans in this situation right now
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: where they have to choose between their team or having morals,
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: I guess, for your football team. That's why, like, Stu,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: you mentioned.
• 11:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do as a Browns
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: fan because, luckily, I'm not in this situation where I
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: have to decide between morals or my football team.
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is not the way I would want
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: the Jets to be 3-1 with him at quarterback. It's
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: not to say I wouldn't root for the Jets if
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: he were playing quarterback. I would be rooting for the Jets.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: I'm always going to be rooting for the Jets. I
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: don't have to root for the individual player.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: But the individual player is part of the reason that
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: team's having success. I mean, and if you're going to
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: give them credit, that's the only bit of credit you
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: can give them. That after all this, he has figured
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: out a way to play decent.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: On the football field. I don't know. If you're going
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: to give him any credit, I'm not giving him any.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like he's redeeming himself on the
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: football field and looking like a quarterback. Now, he's probably
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: still a shell of the quarterback that he was in Houston.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: He's competent.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: He's a competent quarterback. And when you're watching that game yesterday, Mikey,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I'm watching the Steelers secondary. They just traded Joey Porter Jr.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: I think that trade, I think it's already fair to
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: say that trade is a massive mistake because the Steelers'
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: secondary looks terrible, where the Browns are trying to get
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: into field goal range, and it's like, man, I wonder
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: what the Browns are going to do. Oh, they're only
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: throwing quick slants right now to Denzel Boston and Casey Concepcion,
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: and the Steelers' secondary every time was like, oh, we
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: have no idea what to do to stop this.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:26
  Speaker 6: Stu started this episode by saying how good Aaron Rodgers
• 12:31
  Speaker 6: looked in the second half.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 12:32
  Speaker 6: And I would argue I was sad watching that man
• 12:35
  Speaker 6: try and play football.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 12:37
  Speaker 6: Other than the fourth quarter drive where he tied the game,
• 12:41
  Speaker 6: it was hard to watch.
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: He could not– he was screaming at everybody. He could
• 12:46
  Speaker 5: not complete a pass.
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: He was getting hit and– I guess I have this
• 12:51
  Speaker 6: question for you guys. If you're Aaron Rodgers and a
• 12:55
  Speaker 6: genie comes to you and says, I can take you
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: back in time to your last day in Green Bay
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: and you can make a different decision to just retire then,
• 13:04
  Speaker 6: do you think he'd do it? Do you think he
• 13:06
  Speaker 6: would say, we're just going to eliminate your two years
• 13:08
  Speaker 6: with the Jets and eliminate your two years with the
• 13:10
  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers and you could go off into the sunset
• 13:13
  Speaker 6: as a Green Bay Packers hero?
• 13:15
  Speaker 5: Do you think he would do it? Why?
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: Do you think he's staining his legacy the last few stops?
• 13:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's absolutely stained.
• 13:22
  Speaker 6: The only Aaron Rodgers we get to talk about now
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: is the mediocre to bad football player and the curmudgeon.
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: At least when he was with Green Bay, there were...
• 13:32
  Speaker 6: He was in talks as GOAT. There were people that
• 13:35
  Speaker 6: were like, if you tell me, people who think they
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: know quarterbacks, if you tell me who is the best
• 13:41
  Speaker 6: pure quarterback in the game, I'm going with Aaron Rodgers.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: In his prime, yes, yes.
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: In his prime. He could run. He could pass. He
• 13:49
  Speaker 6: could do all these things. Now he's just sad. It's
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: sad to watch him try and play football. Every time
• 13:56
  Speaker 6: he gets hit, I'm like, that's going to be the one.
• 13:58
  Speaker 6: That's going to be the one that makes him just
• 14:00
  Speaker 6: limp off.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: He's still a four-time MVP. Not since Green Bay. Not
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: since Green Bay.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: I understand that. I do. I get that.
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: He was 22 of 40 for 299, three touchdowns, two interceptions.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Taylor, put it on the ball.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: Does watching Aaron Rodgers play quarterback at this stage make
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: you sad?
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of with Mikey that I think if you
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: gave Aaron Rodgers a do-over, he would erase the last, like,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: four years of his career.
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: But my problem is, like, Pittsburgh knew exactly what Aaron
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Rodgers was when they brought him in.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: From the Jets. From the Jets. Yes.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: This team.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: The Jets had no idea. I don't blame the Jets.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh maybe.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: This team isn't constructed for him to throw it 40
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: times every week. Like, Stugatz read his stat line. 22
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: of 40, two interceptions. Jalen Warren was averaging.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: You left out the three TDs.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: The three TDs, yes.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: And he looked good on the last drive.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: He really did.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: The last drive. The last drive was vintage.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: He turned back the clock for a drive.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when he snuck it in, all of a sudden
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: he looked a lot more nimble. Like he was saving
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: everything in the tank. Like if that game had to
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: go to overtime, Mikey, I don't know if Aaron Rodgers
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: had anything left there.
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: No.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: He was happy the kick went through he took a
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: deep breath when he said.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: Oh thank god oh i'm done.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: That's why that last play was like they had what
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: 10 seconds to try to get it like 15 20
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: yards into field goal range and aaron rogers like let
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: me just throw like a half-assed hail mary here.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I'm at a gas yeah but jaylen.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Warren averages like five and a half yards per carry
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: And it felt like they abandoned the run to be like,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, go win this game for us in the
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: second half. Now, Aaron Rodgers ultimately did get there. But
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think if you're the Steelers, it's a sustainable
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: formula asking Aaron Rodgers to throw the ball 40 times
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: a week. Like, this is not Packers-Aaron Rodgers anymore.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: No, it's not a sustainable formula. But he had to
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: last night. They were down big, and he was trying
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: to get them back into the football game. I mean,
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: so you throw the ball, and at times... At times
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: you see it, and that drives certainly in the fourth quarter,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you see the old Aaron Rodgers.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: You just don't see it consistently anymore. That's the difference.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you combine this performance from Aaron Rodgers
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: and the Bengals' performance from Aaron Rodgers, again, I think
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the Steelers know what they have in their quarterback position
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: right now. Somebody who is going to have flashes, but
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: also have moments where he does look like his age
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: out there. That's why I think if you're the Steelers today,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: the more worrying concern is their defense, where they've now
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: allowed 27 points in consecutive games and Cleveland puts up
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: 372 yards and six yards per play, where Deshaun Watson
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: looked like, after that first drive where the Browns go
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: three and out, it felt like the Browns figured something
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: out with that Steelers defense.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Mikey, how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers? Would you
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: take him as your quarterback right now over Geno Smith,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: I guess is what I'm asking.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: No.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: No, I would not.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: What?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Gino looks good.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: No, I would not.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: But Aaron looked good.
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: Aaron did not.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: Aaron was 22 of 40.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: That's like 54%.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Right, but what is he supposed to do?
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: You're asking the question, if Aaron could go back and
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: do it again, would he just quit? How about this?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I still think people view him as an all-time great.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: He's an all-time great quarterback and an all-time great knucklehead.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Is that fair?
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: I think if you gave Aaron Rodgers the choice after
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: he ran out onto the field as a jet with
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: the American.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Flag and tore his.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: Achilles and said, Aaron, we could call this a career-ending injury,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: where the last time you took the field was to
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: raucous applause and all the hope and, oh, man, you
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: just got hurt.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: I think Aaron goes, yeah, I'll go out like that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing now that I'm thinking about it, Mikey,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: because I don't think Aaron Rodgers could retire– after the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Packers because there's some lingering questions of does he still
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: have it? He needs that American flag moment.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: He needs that American flag moment.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: It's the only moment he's had.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Give me that day and then that's it. That moment
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: was awesome.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: It was 9-11, man. He led the Jets out with
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: the American flag.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: But the Geno Smith argument. I think you guys underrate
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: how competent of a quarterback Geno Smith has looked this year.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: When the Lions went up 20... Not me.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not underrating it. I'm just asking. He's been fine.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: We're still 1-2. He's been fine. I'm just asking, would
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you rather have Aaron Rodgers?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: The most shocked I was in Week 3 was when
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the Lions went up 24-10 because every game I've watched
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in the Jets, that 24-10 ends.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: 52-10 with the Lions winning.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: 52-13.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: They get a field goal.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Of course we do.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: A sad field goal.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Unnecessary.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: The fact that Geno Smith was able to get the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Jets back to 24-24 was about as stunned as I'll
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: be this NFL season.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: It is funny. Abby turned to me. Abby was into
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the game last night. She did turn to me, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: she said, when they go to Aaron on television, why
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: is he always miserable? He's got the world by the you-know-what.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Why does he look so miserable all the time?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm like... I don't view it like that. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: don't think he's miserable. It was when he was yelling
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: at Mike McCarthy. Yeah. Mike McCarthy has such a play, man.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has such a yellable face, though.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Put it on the poll.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Put it on the poll. Absolutely.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers is mad because Aaron Rodgers still thinks he
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: can play football like Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: he can't. He makes those throws when he's in Green Bay.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Listen, I get it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: That's why I'm asking if you could take him back
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: and say, We could just erase that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: This is how you leave the NFL. I think he'd
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: take it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: The Cleveland story would be so much better if Aaron
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: was playing quarterback than Deshaun Watson.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Joe Flacco.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Anyone. Shador.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Literally any other quarterback. Yeah, but Shador, they're not 3-1.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Case Keenum.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I know, but think how bad. Think how bad. Maybe
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: they'll train for him.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Think how bad Shador must be if the Browns are
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: moving forward here with Deshaun Watson.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: If Munkin thought he'd be 3-1 with Shador, Shador would
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: be playing quarterback.
• 20:09
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• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Stu, can I tell you how I watched yesterday's game?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: When I said, all right, I've had enough with the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: prime broadcast at this point. I have Phillies Braves on
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: TV one. I have Brown Steelers on TV two.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the couch. I say, headphones on. W-E-E-I.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Ah, yes.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Red Sox podcast on. Yesterday, Mikey, I was consuming as
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: much Boston content as I could. I needed the tears.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I needed to hear from Sully and Swamp Scott. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: needed to hear the defeat in their voices after the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Yankees massacred them. So, Stu, we have two sounds. The
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: first sound is from the Section 10 podcast. It's a
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: massive podcast. Red Sox podcast, and I just want you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to hear the defeat in their voices.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, great.
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: I would much rather have not made the playoffs than
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: lost to the Yankees, and I know people got yelled
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: at me for that last year, but I really don't
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: like losing to the Yankees. It bothers me tremendously. Is
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: it better from a show standpoint? I suppose. But I
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: really don't like how I feel right now. I don't
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: like how I felt last year at this point in time.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: I'm 37. We went 20 years, not losing a series
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: to the Yankees in the playoffs. They've been back to
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: back years, back to back years.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: It's going to be now three and four series record
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: all time in the playoffs against the Yankees.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: They'd be, I think it's 14 and 17 in games now.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not ideal.
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: No, I don't like any of that. Like they already
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: have the ring count over.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Us, 13 and 16 forever. Like I, yeah, the, It's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: not like, oh, we got the series over here.
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: But it was like, yeah, they knew come October, like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: we can't beat these guys. And now they don't think
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: that way. And they shouldn't. But I kind of do
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: think something crazy does need to happen. I do think
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: they're a little further away than we're giving them credit for.
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: They just lost 18-2. Like, they're pretty far away. Like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: we built an AL Central team, and the Yankees love
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: playing AL Central teams in September and October.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I love a miserable guy who lives in that miserable city.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Taylor, put it on the poll. Is anyone in Boston happy?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Mike.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Two things that I got from that one, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: it's really bad when you choose not to have content in.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: This business for you to choose.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: I don't want the content because I don't want to
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: lose to that team.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: That hurts.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: And second, We talked on Think About It Thursday. Would
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: you let your rival win the next four championships to
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: get one? I think we know how those guys would vote.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: They would absolutely not let the Yankees win four for
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: them to get one.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Your first point is a great one, and allow me
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to remove any doubt for that guy. The Red Sox
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: making the playoffs and playing the Yankees is good for
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: your show, okay?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Period.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Great for your show.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: End of discussion.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Now, he might think, okay, he might think in his
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: warped world up in Boston that not making the playoffs
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: and him ripping the Red Sox is what people want
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to hear.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: They don't. They want their team in the playoffs.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It's great for a show because all of a sudden
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: he gets a lot of downloads from New York City,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the New York City metro region where it's like, inject
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this content into my veins.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Into my veins.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So, Stu, I think we have one that's going to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: one-up that sound.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Hogdale? No, not Hogdale. I love Hogdale. What happened to Hogdale?
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: So he was traveling this week.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Odd week, yes.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: They sent him to New York to go to the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: games and call the games from their streams.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: But this is a caller who could rival Hogdale. This
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is on the Rich and Ken show with Ted Johnson.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Let's go to John on line one. John, what's going on, buddy?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: You want to know why Eric Miller was put in
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: those games in both spots in the same game? I'll
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: tell you why, Ted.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Very simple.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Spite.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: It's not scripted.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: It's spite.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: They traded Mayer for Miller, and they wanted to prove
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: to everybody that we are right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: And they weren't.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Both times, it bit them right in the ass.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: And as far as I'm concerned, you can.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Trade his pal Anthony out there for the best right-handed
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: bat you can get, and they can slay all.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: The California girls.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Because I am done with Roman Anthony. Sell now, sell low,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: sell whatever you can. Because to me, he is unfortunately
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: a today's athlete, which means he doesn't care. And quite frankly,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: he has no reason to care. Because he's got $ 150
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: million in the bank that makes him... Not have to
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: care as much. What does he have to strive for?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have the pride, at least I don't see it,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: because he's a 20-year-old, 22-year-old kid that's gotten everything. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: for Wilson Contreras, let me tell you one thing, my friend.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: If I'm Cam Schlintler next year and.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: You're coming up to the plate.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I'm going to put 102 somewhere between your ribcage and
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: your neck. He looked like.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: Reggie effing Jackson running around in a 77 World Series
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: after the third home run. It was their first run
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: in three postseason games. Run around the bases, you asshat,
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: and get your glove. Because the way you played that
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: third strike, you looked like a Little League player. You
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: sucked the whole series.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's special. What a call. Oh, I'm so envious.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Where are they? Where are those people?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: They're all in Boston. I'm so envious of that. You asshat!
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Was that Ted Johnson, the former Patriots linebacker?
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he must have a job there.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gets the win. Who are the other
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: two guys? I mean, Teddy Johnson played sports.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Rich and Ken show.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Who are Rich and who's Ken? To be fair, Rich.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And Ken just have their first name. Ted Johnson has
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the name on the show.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Because he's Ted Bleepin' Johnson.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: I was always under the impression you saved the with
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: for the best person on the show.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right. You're the part of the company. With company.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Stugatz and company, I guess. How about the end? Is
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the end?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, should I put Stugatz with company so you
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: feel better and you guys are the best part of
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the show?
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: See, you totally missed it because I was talking about
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: a former show.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't want to give myself credit. But I
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: was the best part of the show.